The reason he farms the camp at 8:00 is because Wraith is there clearing the wave right next to him, he gets the souls because he's in range of the wave and also gets the souls for the camp.
@@elive5227gun ivy is not that strong honestly. I played her for a while and popped off but then realized as I played more characters that people just do that better
@@nornornornor9204 Honestly id say which build is better depends highly on the match up and the skill level of players. Run n gun is probably better in lower ranked lobbies where you have far less team coordination. I mean its the same in every MOBA honestly. Whats considered bad in high mmr might stomp in low mmr because people simply dont know how to counter etc.
I was playing a game yesterday against an Ivy that was playing something similar to this and remember asking them "wait did they buff your vines, I actually have to respect them now." This is WILD
People have always slept on Ivy in general. She takes time to build up for anything other than support, but once she gets going I'm pretty sure there's no item setup that's outright bad on her. You can build for spirit (as shown), you can build for gun (Fire rate has innate synergy with toxic/tesla; Pure damage works too because it only feels like a joke until you hit critical mass and then suddenly it starts melting people), you can build for heal/survivability (innate synergy from watcher's covenant and stone form), and her innately good mobility means that she's good at getting off active items on priority targets too.
@@Silasftww You dont need to shoot much. One bullet is enough to apply the healing reduction effect from toxic bullets. Plus you still get the same bleed damage regardless of your bullet damage. Healbane has slightly less healing reduction, but its aoe and costs 1750 less so... But can always buy both i guess late game.
The next time you show off a build like that, please have the "Incoming Damage" tab in top right set to display "outgoing damage" to demonstrate just how monstrous the damage actually is :D
Since following the builds from your videos, and adapting my play patterns towards farming and dealing damage, my games have gotten a lot better. Not only is my winrate no longer literally 0%, but whether I win or lose, I'm always either the highest or second highest for farm/player damage in my games. It's actually crazy how much of an improvement it is, and how much more fun I have with losing games.
this will most likely get nerfed to the ground. This kind of gameplay is not balanced. It is not very interactive by half the cast. Huge AOE on the ground 6 times is just impossible to play against.
I thought the buff was too small to make a difference, I guess I slept on the level 3, the +2m seems to be what makes this ability go from "just dash out of it" to "you just have to tank it" The way things scale in this game is kinda insane, that late game kudzu was ginormous
@@asddapit also made shooting mechanics matter way more than moba mechanics but w the changes it makes it so that mechanics doesn’t always trump strategy
Just saw someone playing a similar build today, the mystic reverb slow in with a huge area and long duration is really something. Also, the build that I played against had alchemical flask, since the duration spirit damage and range scales really well with the itens you already are getting, acting as a extra mini charge of the bomb
you should link to the tournament you got the footage from in your description. not only does it make it easier for us to find the matchs you already have, but its how you properly credit the basis for this transformative work.
Wow! Fantastic breakdown. Complex information explained in an easy to digest manner. Really appreciate you showing items and discussing the mindset/choices the player is making. Thankful for the replay links and Schizug build that allows us to dive deeper into the build if we want to. Looking forward to Meta Build as a regular series! Thank you!
it's crazy that she can drop the Kudzu's from the air while flying also.. she can drop 2 while the fight is developing before even landing from the sky to go for a stun
Found out that you can transfer most of this build to Lady Geist (which has some simularities to Ivy's 1 ability). She does the same AOE as Ivy on 1, but if you stack malice knifes, it makes her do way more damage than Ivy's AOE.
I loved the detailed information, i think you got tricked with Damage per Tick instead of DP Second, got me confused quite a bit, but very good work. Keep it up!
Spirit Ivy was always pretty good at this team fight support. Gun Ivy was just more powerful than it early on, so no one really looked at it. Now with a lot of spirit resist items getting changed to bullet resist, and the new buffs (especially the range buff) people are actually seeing it for how strong it really is.
I played ivy for the first time ever today and picked “ac130 bomb” from the build browser and it was exactly this 😂 pretty fun. I think the item that reduces cooldown on imbued ability could be useful too but range charges and damage/slow are the best
A lot of heroes that you'd usually build weapon, have some interesting spirit builds too. Been trying to build full spirit Paradox with her pulse bomb damage amp and 3 walls + ult
At lower level I would probably rather go echo shard than refresher, kudzu being a non ultimate ability, echo shard will be on a 21s CD instead of 212 from refresher. Sure echo shard is less useful in teamfights (can't stack kudzu, and can't refresh ultimate) but it means that Ivy will always have at least one kudzu charge available at all time so it will have a better uptime overall for skirmishes and farming. You know for sure that in matchmaking your team will pick a fight when you're out of kudzu and refresher is on CD
The biggest part for me is the fact that as you buy these spirit items your laning phase becomes easier and there comes a point where you can just throw one kudzu on a jungle and clear it. At that point where the kudzu is massive and does insane dps already i start jungling everywhere and buy up like 6 insane weapon and lifesteal items and go bonkers with the gun. So much faster than going gun items early building a gun ivy
Is Duration not a good item for this build? It seems like it synergizes really well with Kudzu and also the Air Drop. Perhaps in place of Mystic Reverb?
crazy considering catgirl before had said she was waiting to see someone make a real kudzu bomb build. this makes more sense with weapon items being nerfed
I have always felt slowing hex is a REALLY strong item on ivy simply because it guarantees she can land her gargoyle form, But is this early really better than just hex + mystic punch combo damage? Can always go into kudzu in the mid to late game, but Melee charge, spirit strike, lifestrike, slowing hex and t2 stoneform basically one shots anyone outside of Abrams and shiv
Personally, while Mystic Reverb is nice for the bit of extra aoe, its very cost inefficient. The passive proc only deals 40% of a single tick. You're far better investing into Mystic Slow and spirit damage overall instead.
I thought that too. The passive 15% ability range is really good though and even binding it to your ult doesn't sound too bad for the extra nuke damage. But having it bound to Kudzu does mean it can consistently proc the big AoE slow every time and provide extra utility that way.
I believe the most valueable stuff in this build is just ivy does 4.5s massive aoe silence and the kudzu is just a cherry on top. With refresher it is like 9s, at that point everyone is dead already
I've been playing grenade Kelvin for a while and it's kind of a similar deal. People keep focusing on the beam on spirit builds but the grenade is really fast to toss out and has longer range plus heals.
The only reason this works is because people still aren't building any defensive items despite tanks items being far more efficient than damage items. It will get hard countered by a wiser team and she quickly loses a lot of effectiveness. She's basically doing what Malzahar or Venomancer does. Squishy teams with zero sustain will get decimated, but anyone with any meat can completely ignore the dot and she rapidly becomes a minion.
Got destroyed by a korean guy yesterday before your video , started to play it and never thought ivy could be this OP by building spirit damage / people usually build dps build . Now i think ivy is not shit
It's actually similar to build i did yesterday. Except I had significantly slower ramp due to me trying to balance it out with cooldown reduction, tesla bullets and not prioritising escalating.
Match ID: 19453250 Hero: Lash What Do You Think Went Wrong: Was destroying at first, then I fell off from about half way, farming like noob, getting GANKED. Match was a huge gank war around 40m mark and I got pretty caught up in it throwing myself away Deadlock Experience (hrs): 45hrs/50 matches MOBA Experience (hrs + games): 1 or 2 LOL games and 1 dota uninstall Shooter Experience (hr + games): 1k in csgo, 1k+ tarkov, 3k cod & battlefield
came back to say ive used and like this build. only thing is, i like to get spirit lifesteal early on. can throw it on creeps while shooting the other player
Worst part about this late game is that spirit resist does nothing and it’s hard to see the area of affect. Anywhere you’re standing in a slope and you won’t even see it. I played pocket with full resist and was 60% health even when dashing out of it as it dropped. Absolutely insane
@@Silasftww Well it matters, but the damage is so high that you just.....die before you know what happened if you don't have it and if you DO have it, you still take unreasonable amounts of damage, forcing you to back out of the fight anyway. Basically it's a 100% way to take you out of the fight with or without spirit resist. The only real counterplay is either "don't stand on the ground at all" or somehow shut down Ivy before she can do anything
@@thebearded4427 yeah ok I get ya, guess it wasn’t intended to be that insnaenly big, It felt like a high dmg but avoidable nuke :P but with this big of aoe it’s quite insane, does it go through buildings as well?
I knew kudzu was being slept on, I’ve been doing ap ivy for a couple weeks on/off and it was fun and effective. Was so curious why everyone felt it wasn’t viable.
Hey just a thought as i'm watching this video, what about increasing the ability duration of Q with the enhanced duration spirit item, is that worth it?
Why do you call getting an item an item "timing"? What does it have to do with time? Is this saying that Ivy could have gotten the item later in the game?
@@Mmoll1990 It is different terminology, but referring to basically the same thing. I think the term timing works, because once you get *insert item here* on a *insert hero here* you can only have a couple of minutes (or, well, TIME) to utilize the item to the full potential.
Imo, any time torment is built, but especially on characters with an ability to dodge and or stun (ivy does both) then torment becomes too op to pass up. It will easily hit for 200 per tick whilst stunning people in the kudzu on top. the disruption is absurd
Plus it gives you spirit power which is good for your grass field, weapon damage which is lacking for Ivy in this build and bullet shield which is just nice to have against bullet focused heroes
the first time I play deadlock is like 3 week ago, first character I tried was ivy and immediatelynoticed that kadzu is broken, I thought kadzu's insane damage was a bug or will be nerf right away, guess I'm wrong
I wonder if leaning a but more into gun items will be nice maybe some resist shred. Spirit ivy is super strong i found a build a few weeks ago that had a similar idea but was using echo shard. Refresher is so broken haha
It's better on Mo and Krill who can lock the enemy down. Ivy barely has any hard CC other than her self-peel. Could definitely build it if you have a Wraith or Dynamo
As someone who used spirit/kudzu Ivy before this update, and who made one of the builds for it [F4U Corsair Ivy]: Kudzu and spirit ivy always dealt insane damage, what was effected this update was the consistency of it via the buff to radius. The spirit scaling buff is pretty negligible, it only pushes a couple extra bits of damage out in th lategame. It is not the slight damage increase, it was that +2m radius increase at max level. Before, it was too easy to get out of, now it actually feels like a proper radius, and combined with the options for stun combos, you can properly nuke people. That said, from a numbers-pusher, I don't recommend refresher. Your options are better spent with superior cd/duration on your four so that you can more frequently fly in general, then surge of power, reach, escalating and rapid recharge for your bombs, boundless spirit chain, and mystic reverb to flight so scale radius of everything.
Guys they didn't buff Kudzu bomb, it's always been this strong with these items lol. I just figured people preferred shooting rather than throwing vines since builds around her 1 weren't as popular.
@@turtley8581 I was wrong, it did get buffed but both of those buffs are not very significant. You could absolutely get similarly high damage numbers with kudzu bomb before that patch.
@@turtley8581 alright so just for you I actually went into the sandbox and did the math on old vs new scaling. Even with every flex slot filled with spirit items (which you probably won't do in most games), you get to around 134 or so spirit. The difference between .7 and .6 spirit scaling at that number are 93 and 80 respectively. Which is about a 13% increase. The difference between 80 and 93 extra DPS when her base at T3 is already 120 dps is incredibly minimal. If you account for her base 120 DPS then that .6 to .7 buff is only about a 6% increase in overall total damage.
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wait this is insane, quick take down the video so nobody else knows
since the fix everyone noticed how even more broken escalating exposure is , basically it close to triples your spirit dmg
It's how I've been playing her for a month now lol
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I mean all the top ivy builds are this so... it doesn't matter lol
You're using this build because it's strong.
I'm using this build because I can't aim.
We are not the same.
100% me as well. I come from League; my aim is straight up dogwater doodoofeces tier.
Are your frames smooth and monitor withstanding? Otherwise, it will be a struggle.
These detailed explanations are absolutely perfect for smooth FPS brains like mine that know very little about mobas. Great work!
I'm a 7k hours Mobas gamer. Trust me, I watched the whole video and I found every minute informative.
The reason he farms the camp at 8:00 is because Wraith is there clearing the wave right next to him, he gets the souls because he's in range of the wave and also gets the souls for the camp.
no please dont reveal this to the masses
also i either missed it or you didnt talk about how insane healbane is for this build
Woah you are so right Healbane is core. Adding it to the in game build. I was totally sleeping on that in here and thought it was situational.
It was revealed waaaay earlier that match
Anyway run and gun ivy is much stronger
@@elive5227gun ivy is not that strong honestly. I played her for a while and popped off but then realized as I played more characters that people just do that better
@@nornornornor9204 Honestly id say which build is better depends highly on the match up and the skill level of players. Run n gun is probably better in lower ranked lobbies where you have far less team coordination. I mean its the same in every MOBA honestly. Whats considered bad in high mmr might stomp in low mmr because people simply dont know how to counter etc.
I was playing a game yesterday against an Ivy that was playing something similar to this and remember asking them "wait did they buff your vines, I actually have to respect them now."
This is WILD
People have always slept on Ivy in general. She takes time to build up for anything other than support, but once she gets going I'm pretty sure there's no item setup that's outright bad on her. You can build for spirit (as shown), you can build for gun (Fire rate has innate synergy with toxic/tesla; Pure damage works too because it only feels like a joke until you hit critical mass and then suddenly it starts melting people), you can build for heal/survivability (innate synergy from watcher's covenant and stone form), and her innately good mobility means that she's good at getting off active items on priority targets too.
holy crap, I found this build while browsing the build tab before i found this video. And thank you so much for making it.
Moral of the story: Escalating exposure is busted. EE + Toxic bullets. EE + Decay. EE + Anyone that has repetitive spirit damage.
Okay wtf it seems sick. Only now realized about it and instantly started thinking how good it would be with Wardens ult.
Isn’t healbane better than toxic bullets then since Ivy dosnt shoot much with this build if she is flying and bombing
@@Silasftww You dont need to shoot much. One bullet is enough to apply the healing reduction effect from toxic bullets. Plus you still get the same bleed damage regardless of your bullet damage. Healbane has slightly less healing reduction, but its aoe and costs 1750 less so... But can always buy both i guess late game.
@@Ex0rz don’t you need to apply a couple of shots to actually get the healing reduction? Similiar style to infernus passive?
@@Silasftww Only for the bleed, but not for the heal reduction afaik. The tooltip only mentions build up for the bleed.
The next time you show off a build like that, please have the "Incoming Damage" tab in top right set to display "outgoing damage" to demonstrate just how monstrous the damage actually is :D
I'd love more of these short 15 min pro game breakdowns. Being able to see the highlights of a pro game without sitting through 45 mins is great.
ivy my beloved
everybody talking bout how Vindicta got her dogs out, but no one even mentions Ivy's talons.
W schizug all my homies love schizug. Thank you for all these videos they’ve been so helpful for me
This has been nerfed even further on 10-10-2024 update
Since following the builds from your videos, and adapting my play patterns towards farming and dealing damage, my games have gotten a lot better. Not only is my winrate no longer literally 0%, but whether I win or lose, I'm always either the highest or second highest for farm/player damage in my games. It's actually crazy how much of an improvement it is, and how much more fun I have with losing games.
Very good analysis. I appreciate this as I myself didn't have the time to watch all the tournament games and I didn't see these games.
Love your videos man!
It’s fun watching your channel grow so fast man! May the algorithm bless you!! 🙏
Genuinely kudzu is about to see a huge nerf. I almost won a 2v6 game just now with Catgirl's kudzu build (very similar to this).
this will most likely get nerfed to the ground. This kind of gameplay is not balanced. It is not very interactive by half the cast. Huge AOE on the ground 6 times is just impossible to play against.
@@KevinBonilla-j8r This is literally the type of gameplay i'd expect from a game made by ice frog
Please bring more meta builds like this! I love how those tournaments might really change the meta
Kudzu bomb went from being a worthless ability to a team fight winner.
I'm so happy to be wrong.
I thought the buff was too small to make a difference, I guess I slept on the level 3, the +2m seems to be what makes this ability go from "just dash out of it" to "you just have to tank it"
The way things scale in this game is kinda insane, that late game kudzu was ginormous
I think the puddle was always great for denying minions to push, it just isn't meant much for damaging players
@@gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683 no the thing that made spirit builds insane was that a lot of spirit resist items were changed to bullet resist
@@disbled That makes sense. Valve really needed to buff spirit builds since gun builds were more consistent at winning games, at least at mid-low mmr.
@@asddapit also made shooting mechanics matter way more than moba mechanics but w the changes it makes it so that mechanics doesn’t always trump strategy
Just saw someone playing a similar build today, the mystic reverb slow in with a huge area and long duration is really something.
Also, the build that I played against had alchemical flask, since the duration spirit damage and range scales really well with the itens you already are getting, acting as a extra mini charge of the bomb
Yep, I use Alchemical Fire too and it slaps. If I was the one that threw it on you, I'm sorry. :(
you should link to the tournament you got the footage from in your description. not only does it make it easier for us to find the matchs you already have, but its how you properly credit the basis for this transformative work.
Good point, done.
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@@Schizug u are W youtuber
Been playing a build like this from the beginning but those recent kudzu buffs really unlocked the potential
i just tried this build and it is so insane , i went 18/6/25 and did 101k damage overall, what a crazy build , thank you
Wow! Fantastic breakdown. Complex information explained in an easy to digest manner. Really appreciate you showing items and discussing the mindset/choices the player is making. Thankful for the replay links and Schizug build that allows us to dive deeper into the build if we want to. Looking forward to Meta Build as a regular series! Thank you!
great video style, please more of these!
i have been playing spirit ivy since the ult rework and its so fun and good, now its even better
New drinking game - drink every time Schizug says Kudzu :D
it's crazy that she can drop the Kudzu's from the air while flying also.. she can drop 2 while the fight is developing before even landing from the sky to go for a stun
Oh my god... This is insane! Thanks for covering this!!
Edit: Ah, replay expired... :(
Suppressor is a really nice way to add some extra utility to this build, and of course being able to build up to mystic slow is even nicer.
Found out that you can transfer most of this build to Lady Geist (which has some simularities to Ivy's 1 ability). She does the same AOE as Ivy on 1, but if you stack malice knifes, it makes her do way more damage than Ivy's AOE.
Been running this for a few weeks, melts those towers
Found this build last night on the public build board and its insane, got top damage top kills and top souls.
Everyone was sleeping on kudzu spam, now the gates are open. Owari da.
A new way to play Ivy! Nice!
I made a spirit build immediately after the update, nice to know I wasn’t wasting my time
Duration also scales Ivy's Abilities really well for flex slots. Every single one of her abilities has a duration component to it.
I loved the detailed information, i think you got tricked with Damage per Tick instead of DP Second, got me confused quite a bit, but very good work. Keep it up!
Spirit Ivy was always pretty good at this team fight support. Gun Ivy was just more powerful than it early on, so no one really looked at it. Now with a lot of spirit resist items getting changed to bullet resist, and the new buffs (especially the range buff) people are actually seeing it for how strong it really is.
I played ivy for the first time ever today and picked “ac130 bomb” from the build browser and it was exactly this 😂 pretty fun. I think the item that reduces cooldown on imbued ability could be useful too but range charges and damage/slow are the best
is this the same hydration that used to be an OW pro? that takes me back
Sure is!
A lot of heroes that you'd usually build weapon, have some interesting spirit builds too. Been trying to build full spirit Paradox with her pulse bomb damage amp and 3 walls + ult
At lower level I would probably rather go echo shard than refresher, kudzu being a non ultimate ability, echo shard will be on a 21s CD instead of 212 from refresher. Sure echo shard is less useful in teamfights (can't stack kudzu, and can't refresh ultimate) but it means that Ivy will always have at least one kudzu charge available at all time so it will have a better uptime overall for skirmishes and farming.
You know for sure that in matchmaking your team will pick a fight when you're out of kudzu and refresher is on CD
The biggest part for me is the fact that as you buy these spirit items your laning phase becomes easier and there comes a point where you can just throw one kudzu on a jungle and clear it.
At that point where the kudzu is massive and does insane dps already i start jungling everywhere and buy up like 6 insane weapon and lifesteal items and go bonkers with the gun.
So much faster than going gun items early building a gun ivy
Great video. That damage is nutty.
It is pronounced "koo-zoo" but quickly like "Kuzu" Kudzu is Japanese arrowroot (屑＝くず)
What's pronounced "koo-zoo"? Because Ivy clearly says Cud-Zoo
Is Duration not a good item for this build? It seems like it synergizes really well with Kudzu and also the Air Drop. Perhaps in place of Mystic Reverb?
Mystic Reverb gives +15% to Ability Range which is the main reason its in this build.
crazy considering catgirl before had said she was waiting to see someone make a real kudzu bomb build. this makes more sense with weapon items being nerfed
I have always felt slowing hex is a REALLY strong item on ivy simply because it guarantees she can land her gargoyle form, But is this early really better than just hex + mystic punch combo damage? Can always go into kudzu in the mid to late game, but Melee charge, spirit strike, lifestrike, slowing hex and t2 stoneform basically one shots anyone outside of Abrams and shiv
i want you to know this build is in literally every game i play now so thanks lmfao
Personally, while Mystic Reverb is nice for the bit of extra aoe, its very cost inefficient. The passive proc only deals 40% of a single tick. You're far better investing into Mystic Slow and spirit damage overall instead.
I thought that too. The passive 15% ability range is really good though and even binding it to your ult doesn't sound too bad for the extra nuke damage. But having it bound to Kudzu does mean it can consistently proc the big AoE slow every time and provide extra utility that way.
@@wbruning1 nah, if you just want the slow, mystic slow does that better for less souls
I believe the most valueable stuff in this build is just ivy does 4.5s massive aoe silence and the kudzu is just a cherry on top. With refresher it is like 9s, at that point everyone is dead already
I've been playing grenade Kelvin for a while and it's kind of a similar deal. People keep focusing on the beam on spirit builds but the grenade is really fast to toss out and has longer range plus heals.
Love this content. A pro match review a build. Everything great fucking video man keep it up you’ll be 100k subs in weeks I promise
Best deadlock content creator
The only reason this works is because people still aren't building any defensive items despite tanks items being far more efficient than damage items. It will get hard countered by a wiser team and she quickly loses a lot of effectiveness.
She's basically doing what Malzahar or Venomancer does. Squishy teams with zero sustain will get decimated, but anyone with any meat can completely ignore the dot and she rapidly becomes a minion.
wouldn't she still win the war of attrition though? especially if you build healbane or something
Spirit scaling and damage was just reduced in the most recent patch (10-02-2024 Update)
Got destroyed by a korean guy yesterday before your video , started to play it and never thought ivy could be this OP by building spirit damage / people usually build dps build . Now i think ivy is not shit
can you do a late game guide? I am struggeling with teamfights. Playing a lot of warden
It's actually similar to build i did yesterday. Except I had significantly slower ramp due to me trying to balance it out with cooldown reduction, tesla bullets and not prioritising escalating.
Tesla bullets feel Like a Big waste? You won’t shoot that much as in normal gun builds
Match ID: 19453250
Hero: Lash
What Do You Think Went Wrong: Was destroying at first, then I fell off from about half way, farming like noob, getting GANKED. Match was a huge gank war around 40m mark and I got pretty caught up in it throwing myself away
Deadlock Experience (hrs): 45hrs/50 matches
MOBA Experience (hrs + games): 1 or 2 LOL games and 1 dota uninstall
Shooter Experience (hr + games): 1k in csgo, 1k+ tarkov, 3k cod & battlefield
I am going to give this a try lol
came back to say ive used and like this build. only thing is, i like to get spirit lifesteal early on. can throw it on creeps while shooting the other player
Worst part about this late game is that spirit resist does nothing and it’s hard to see the area of affect. Anywhere you’re standing in a slope and you won’t even see it. I played pocket with full resist and was 60% health even when dashing out of it as it dropped. Absolutely insane
Why dosnt spirit resist matter?
@@Silasftww Well it matters, but the damage is so high that you just.....die before you know what happened if you don't have it and if you DO have it, you still take unreasonable amounts of damage, forcing you to back out of the fight anyway. Basically it's a 100% way to take you out of the fight with or without spirit resist. The only real counterplay is either "don't stand on the ground at all" or somehow shut down Ivy before she can do anything
@@thebearded4427 yeah ok I get ya, guess it wasn’t intended to be that insnaenly big, It felt like a high dmg but avoidable nuke :P but with this big of aoe it’s quite insane, does it go through buildings as well?
@@Silasftww yes.......yes it does. Just build area on it and you can kill someone inside a building by throwing the ability on the wall
lost to spirit ivys nuking my whole team tonight just to open youtube and get recommended the fuckin cause of it
I knew kudzu was being slept on, I’ve been doing ap ivy for a couple weeks on/off and it was fun and effective. Was so curious why everyone felt it wasn’t viable.
because it just got buffed
just did a game with 11 kills and 67k dmg holy hell, if I come late to a teamfight I can just spam my ulti and 1 bomb to clean up if we lose a tf
There was an ivy in my game today with 900 dps at like 20 min. It’s absolutely nuts.
been doing a spirit damage melee ivy for a while now, is very strong. all the nerfs to the melee items has been painful though...
awesome build looks fun to support with. Seems good when bullet damage isn't going to play well.
Hey just a thought as i'm watching this video, what about increasing the ability duration of Q with the enhanced duration spirit item, is that worth it?
no superior duration?
I was thinking about this playing last night. Felt like the 1 key was feeling really strong even on a gun build lol
Why do you call getting an item an item "timing"? What does it have to do with time? Is this saying that Ivy could have gotten the item later in the game?
It is a timing where you have a power spike. Like you should use the timing of the item because you are way weaker before it.
@@BenjiShock Then just call it a power spike, no? It seems to have nothing to do with "timing".
@@Mmoll1990 It is different terminology, but referring to basically the same thing. I think the term timing works, because once you get *insert item here* on a *insert hero here* you can only have a couple of minutes (or, well, TIME) to utilize the item to the full potential.
Imo, any time torment is built, but especially on characters with an ability to dodge and or stun (ivy does both) then torment becomes too op to pass up. It will easily hit for 200 per tick whilst stunning people in the kudzu on top.
the disruption is absurd
how is this build now a month later? is it pretty neutered? I've been on a few different games but like to try to keep up with deadlock!
@schizug korean guy against me used achiemist fire aswell , it was triple combo damage with a statue stun
I'm curious of how applicable alchemical fire is to this build. I think it would allow to initiate team fight very VERY effecient
Plus it gives you spirit power which is good for your grass field, weapon damage which is lacking for Ivy in this build and bullet shield which is just nice to have against bullet focused heroes
What causes a knock up on the kudzu bomb?
I've been doing a pretty similar build over the past couple of days and won 9 outa 10 games spamming bomb in late game
I'm sorry but reverb on kudzu is trolling right? It's much better on the ult because it's +40% burst echo damage
the first time I play deadlock is like 3 week ago, first character I tried was ivy and immediatelynoticed that kadzu is broken, I thought kadzu's insane damage was a bug or will be nerf right away, guess I'm wrong
I love these.
Catgirl says Ivy's kudzu bomb sucks in video, some dude working for Gabe Newell peeps, and now kudzu broken
That’s the beauty of games :D same in Dota,
And now she's using it
thanks, subbed
In a 40 minute game before the buff I did 70k damage, she's always been good in this type of build.
does kudzu damage stack if you place two over each other
insane build
bro this tournament JUST happened wtf
I was watching and wanted to cover it with how busted this build looked. Lil recording between games goes far.
I wonder if leaning a but more into gun items will be nice maybe some resist shred. Spirit ivy is super strong i found a build a few weeks ago that had a similar idea but was using echo shard. Refresher is so broken haha
My most played hero and I didn’t realize I could 1 when I was doing ultimate… I have no words 😂
I think that was recent, 2 weeks ago you could only 3 out of air drop, now you can drop a bomb during it too
but how will this affect the economy
I've been doing this build for months... kinda happy but also scared that its meta now after the buff lol, hopefully no nerfs incoming
Also McGinnis supporter was insane too. Gonna reviewing that?
Since you already are focusing on a damaging AoE, how about alchemical fire for this build?
Damage does not scale + uses an active slot
It's better on Mo and Krill who can lock the enemy down. Ivy barely has any hard CC other than her self-peel. Could definitely build it if you have a Wraith or Dynamo
Stupid Gargoyle: Flies around with a Silence bomb and applies DOT to non-suspecting victims without BKB (definitely an S+ tier hero/build)
As someone who used spirit/kudzu Ivy before this update, and who made one of the builds for it [F4U Corsair Ivy]:
Kudzu and spirit ivy always dealt insane damage, what was effected this update was the consistency of it via the buff to radius. The spirit scaling buff is pretty negligible, it only pushes a couple extra bits of damage out in th lategame.
It is not the slight damage increase, it was that +2m radius increase at max level. Before, it was too easy to get out of, now it actually feels like a proper radius, and combined with the options for stun combos, you can properly nuke people.
That said, from a numbers-pusher, I don't recommend refresher. Your options are better spent with superior cd/duration on your four so that you can more frequently fly in general, then surge of power, reach, escalating and rapid recharge for your bombs, boundless spirit chain, and mystic reverb to flight so scale radius of everything.
Guys they didn't buff Kudzu bomb, it's always been this strong with these items lol. I just figured people preferred shooting rather than throwing vines since builds around her 1 weren't as popular.
- Ivy: Kudzu Bomb T3 now also grants +2m Radius
- Ivy: Kudzu Bomb spirit power scaling increased from 0.6 to 0.7
it got some pretty big buffs lol
@@turtley8581 I was wrong, it did get buffed but both of those buffs are not very significant. You could absolutely get similarly high damage numbers with kudzu bomb before that patch.
@@MajorCrasher isnt that almost like, 20% more damage scaling? its certainly significant, 2m is a lot of radius too
@@turtley8581 alright so just for you I actually went into the sandbox and did the math on old vs new scaling. Even with every flex slot filled with spirit items (which you probably won't do in most games), you get to around 134 or so spirit. The difference between .7 and .6 spirit scaling at that number are 93 and 80 respectively. Which is about a 13% increase. The difference between 80 and 93 extra DPS when her base at T3 is already 120 dps is incredibly minimal. If you account for her base 120 DPS then that .6 to .7 buff is only about a 6% increase in overall total damage.
@@MajorCrasher damn
sub out one of the later items for superior cooldown and add that to your ultimate then you've got a very good ambushing gremlin mode