@mrdisaster5880 I feel like also a contributing factor in a bit of a lack of consensus on some of these characters. Is definitely the fact that these list are being made fairly quickly after the game released it's only been about 3 4 days.
Hawkeye doesnt need a nerf.. everyone counters him. If they nerf hawkeye they better nerf iron fist, paylocke, majik and winter soldier too. Thats not including the broken tanks and supps
I guess iron fist is a very polarizing character, never seen so many lists that have a character either be bottom tier or top tier with seemingly no in between
@@apexdude105iron fist can't do jack shit to iron mam unless you give him his speed boost and shield then he can but if you don't just flu away wait for him to stop being yellowish green then nuke him as iron man it's just not most people know how to face him yet
Ironfist and psylocke cause me so much pain as a supp main 😂😂 most of the time my team wont notice they are in the backline and its just me and the other supp healing eachother which can cause a bad chain reaction and the team falls apart. That or he just kills us thru the heals 😅😅😂😂
As a mantis main, I agree. I have to keep spamming the alerts just to let them know because I can't type, don't wanna speak or figure out the indicator to let them know and I'm about to not exist anymore over here lol
@@swan2227 FACTS! As a healer, I have to keep rotating my view or hearing the sounds of the heros so I can tell who needs healing or not. They are supposed to be protecting the healers but all the other players do is blame + complain about not having enough heals / healers. ( I wonder why.. )
@JJ-zz2ox AGREED! I was a luna snow main at first but I've found loki and have been 1 tricking him. The plays you can pull with his kit is insane and tp with invis really helps me stay alive when i get dived i trick them and then place down his heals if/when they try to follow me after I TP. They always die now and im not crying in a corner anymore bc my team won't look at dps destroying me for free.😂😂😂 I even managed to win a ranked game solo healing with him. :)
No bro your bronze right? He dosent kill later ranks sure erly rank sure but erly ranks every thing is op so come plback when you get a hight rank no one plays iron fist bc he gets ccd by every thing and can't counter it and he does no dmg bc every thing out heals him
I love Ironfist him and Jeff are pretty much the sole reasons why I like the game 😂 Destroying the back line with Ironfist and then hiding up in skybox with my legs crossed is hilarious
( I'm new + bronze 1 lol ) As a support and mantis main, Iron fist just goes through my sleeping ability + he's way too fast and close to us healers for us to do anything with low health. Cloak teammates usually help by throwing a bubble while I do my thing as mantis. Sometimes work, sometimes doesn't
Coming from a #20 player Hela main on Xbox Iron fist is so damn broken, I can beam him in the head but once he’s in my face there’s nothing I can do literally.
That’s because Necros plays a lot of Black Panther who can deal with Iron First pretty well whether it comes down to killing him or just escaping from him.
or you can just switch to a hero with movement and hes shit, its a hero shooter.... my personal favorite against iron fist is squirrel girl cause i can hop away use my giant acorn and trap him and he gets melted
@@coreymorris4630 but then if you take away iron fist's mobility like some people are suggesting, you would be getting a counterpick meta where if you wanna reach people you must pick a sniper.
I mean yall always talk about counterpicking being healthy but when you have options to counter broken characters in rivals you refuse to do it just so you can complain till they get nerfed Same shit y’all would do for overwatch you’re doing here
His healings isn’t why Jeff is good…. His ult is an instant win button in overtime and a guaranteed team wipe when there are ledges for him to jump off…
I’ll give you some tips top help it, first Iron first can just kill him but if you play hela save your ult for his ult, you’ll kill Jeff in two hits and save your team
As a mantis main, I agree. I have like 1k+ total assists on mantis but Ironfist.. He goes through my sleeping ability and us healers struggle because he's so close to the ground with us. Can't escape. And it's not because I'm bronze. I'm new to the game and still learning characters so I'm obviously bronze without a good team.
If you think Iron Fist is S Tier you're just not skilled enough yet. He is definitely strong but it's because you're playing into his cards. Don't shoot his parry and you won't give him HP. Someone in the backline with one CC will ground him and he's as squishy as a mantis.
I agree that Stange is consistant, but he is consistantly underwelming. Every tank has some crazy utility, insane midigation potential, strong movement options, or playstyles that are quite frankly disgusting against characters who can't take advantage of flank routes. Strange has . . . Portals . . . And decent damage. How they managed to make the God of Magic this lame is impressive. Don't even get me started on his flight ability? Why does Hulk and Venom get better vertical coverage and SIGNIFICANTLY better horizonal distance on a shorter cooldown while Strange got some goofy ass float that goes nowhere and doesn't even synergize with his kit. And the float isn't even a passive . . . Why?
When I do strange, I use his flight ability to get away from venom ult, jeff ult or anyone trying to dash at me when my shield is gone. I have to time it right though and save it
I pray Overwatch dudes don’t try to ruin this game like they ruined their own. Everything doesn’t need to be balanced for comp play let people have fun,
This is a party game. I love how all the OW big names are complaining about characters in this game wanting it to become what overwatch is. Then they'll say this game feels so stale. Ya, because you couldn't let fun stupid abilities be fun and stupid. I pray they don't listen to all the big overwatch streamers takes and keep this game fun and crazy
Please don't start talking about how people need a nerf. Already The game's been out a couple days. We don't need to nerf any characters. It is what it is. Just enjoy the game. This is what ruins these games so often is they're constantly nerving characters people like, because people complain about them and tell everyone sucks
Ironfist is S like hela? AHHAHAHAHA this man is trolling or is brain-dead for real I mean he is an Ashe main for sure he don't understand how difficult is to play dive.
It's crazy how different these lists can be individual to individual.
Different skill sets different list, this guy is a widow main and flats is a tank main their point of view is completely different.
@mrdisaster5880 I feel like also a contributing factor in a bit of a lack of consensus on some of these characters. Is definitely the fact that these list are being made fairly quickly after the game released it's only been about 3 4 days.
I've seen so much variations. So many S tier characters in F tier and vice versa
The only character there is S in any Tierlist is Hela
Damn tier lists already comin out
People who get one shot by Hawkeye= he’s broken. Meanwhile Hawkeye= miss 99 headshots hits one… yessssss
Hawkeye doesnt need a nerf.. everyone counters him. If they nerf hawkeye they better nerf iron fist, paylocke, majik and winter soldier too. Thats not including the broken tanks and supps
Hawkeye is crazy. Bro is taking me one shot.
I guess iron fist is a very polarizing character, never seen so many lists that have a character either be bottom tier or top tier with seemingly no in between
I disagree about punisher. His shotgun is really strong and he has an escape with the grappling gun even if it isn't that good it's still an escape
Hawkeye is only good if you know how to aim but oh boy if you get it down😅
Iron fist is better at killing ironman then punisher
Iron fist is the #1 counter, _then_ punisher is #2 in the list? Or is iron fist better _than_ punisher and no there's no list 🤔
@@apexdude105iron fist can't do jack shit to iron mam unless you give him his speed boost and shield then he can but if you don't just flu away wait for him to stop being yellowish green then nuke him as iron man it's just not most people know how to face him yet
Hot take but cloak and dagger is one of the best support it is like kiriko and Moira combined but Moira is dps
I feel like iron fist needs a cooldown after he wall run’s
Hawkeye main here and he in fact does not need a nerf xD😅😅😂😂😂
Ironfist and psylocke cause me so much pain as a supp main 😂😂 most of the time my team wont notice they are in the backline and its just me and the other supp healing eachother which can cause a bad chain reaction and the team falls apart. That or he just kills us thru the heals 😅😅😂😂
As a mantis main, I agree. I have to keep spamming the alerts just to let them know because I can't type, don't wanna speak or figure out the indicator to let them know and I'm about to not exist anymore over here lol
@JJ-zz2ox even when i ping them they have no reaction they just keep looking forawrd 🥹
@@swan2227 FACTS! As a healer, I have to keep rotating my view or hearing the sounds of the heros so I can tell who needs healing or not.
They are supposed to be protecting the healers but all the other players do is blame + complain about not having enough heals / healers. ( I wonder why.. )
@JJ-zz2ox AGREED! I was a luna snow main at first but I've found loki and have been 1 tricking him.
The plays you can pull with his kit is insane and tp with invis really helps me stay alive when i get dived i trick them and then place down his heals if/when they try to follow me after I TP. They always die now and im not crying in a corner anymore bc my team won't look at dps destroying me for free.😂😂😂
I even managed to win a ranked game solo healing with him. :)
All hail Jeff the land shark supreme!
Jeff isn’t good for his amazing healing potential, he’s good because of his great healing potential, good kill potential, and ridiculous ult
stupid thing is i have seen groots as kill leader with 24-25 whilst duellists have around 17
Devs gave ironfist commando pro from mw2
No bro your bronze right? He dosent kill later ranks sure erly rank sure but erly ranks every thing is op so come plback when you get a hight rank no one plays iron fist bc he gets ccd by every thing and can't counter it and he does no dmg bc every thing out heals him
Yea my boy Jeff is in A I’m a Jeff main😂😂😂
I love Ironfist him and Jeff are pretty much the sole reasons why I like the game 😂 Destroying the back line with Ironfist and then hiding up in skybox with my legs crossed is hilarious
First statement is SO TRUE HA
bogur said if you think iron fist and jeff are busted, you’re bronze. please argue with him cause he’s blatantly lying.
( I'm new + bronze 1 lol )
As a support and mantis main, Iron fist just goes through my sleeping ability + he's way too fast and close to us healers for us to do anything with low health.
Cloak teammates usually help by throwing a bubble while I do my thing as mantis.
Sometimes work, sometimes doesn't
Coming from a #20 player Hela main on Xbox Iron fist is so damn broken, I can beam him in the head but once he’s in my face there’s nothing I can do literally.
FORGET ABOUT STRONG THESE GUYS ARE HELLA GUN TO PLAY WITH
Iron fist is Eddie from Tekken. Spam everything
Wow Jay is delulu Holy shit
Honest to god great game just not enough maps there are only like 3 but hey the balance is unbelievable also the combos on winter soldier are crazy
Punisher is good but when he pops his ult its a different story 💀
I think your views on Punisher will change when you watch him 3 shot a tank with shotgun rounds at close range lol
I love star lord fr
No man. Please no nerfs. Just buff things. If everything gets nerfed every character will be mid asf and it won’t be any fun
Just watched a tier list from Necros for Iron fist, and I’m getting very mixed opinions, not so sure who to trust.
Depends on who uses him
That’s because Necros plays a lot of Black Panther who can deal with Iron First pretty well whether it comes down to killing him or just escaping from him.
@@CrazySuperJEBUS nah it's because necros is in high elo where melee characters are shat on in general
@@cntom8233 maybe if they jump into a team, but Iron Fist still slams even in high elo 1v1s from what I hear.
I don't think Hawkeye need the Nerf all characters are busted
or you can just switch to a hero with movement and hes shit, its a hero shooter.... my personal favorite against iron fist is squirrel girl cause i can hop away use my giant acorn and trap him and he gets melted
No one wants to play marvels counter swap bro
dam I might just be bad but I’ve switched of squirrel girl so much because of iron fist
@@coreymorris4630 but then if you take away iron fist's mobility like some people are suggesting, you would be getting a counterpick meta where if you wanna reach people you must pick a sniper.
Where is loki on the tierlist?
High hes kinda busted
low. Way worse than Luna or Mantis
@@СтаниславСорокин-ъ3б i mean they are heal bot characters
I mean yall always talk about counterpicking being healthy but when you have options to counter broken characters in rivals you refuse to do it just so you can complain till they get nerfed
Same shit y’all would do for overwatch you’re doing here
Im dropping 50-60 kills with hawkeye, he is way to overpowered
MAGIK!!!!!!
His healings isn’t why Jeff is good…. His ult is an instant win button in overtime and a guaranteed team wipe when there are ledges for him to jump off…
I’ll give you some tips top help it, first Iron first can just kill him but if you play hela save your ult for his ult, you’ll kill Jeff in two hits and save your team
@ oh, no I’m the Jeff in this situation…. I’m not ranting I’m stating a fact or learned through playing as him
I hate Iron Fist with a burning passion
As a mantis main, I agree.
I have like 1k+ total assists on mantis but Ironfist..
He goes through my sleeping ability and us healers struggle because he's so close to the ground with us. Can't escape.
And it's not because I'm bronze. I'm new to the game and still learning characters so I'm obviously bronze without a good team.
If you think Iron Fist is S Tier you're just not skilled enough yet. He is definitely strong but it's because you're playing into his cards. Don't shoot his parry and you won't give him HP. Someone in the backline with one CC will ground him and he's as squishy as a mantis.
Punisher at B is insane
I agree that Stange is consistant, but he is consistantly underwelming. Every tank has some crazy utility, insane midigation potential, strong movement options, or playstyles that are quite frankly disgusting against characters who can't take advantage of flank routes. Strange has . . . Portals . . . And decent damage.
How they managed to make the God of Magic this lame is impressive. Don't even get me started on his flight ability? Why does Hulk and Venom get better vertical coverage and SIGNIFICANTLY better horizonal distance on a shorter cooldown while Strange got some goofy ass float that goes nowhere and doesn't even synergize with his kit. And the float isn't even a passive . . . Why?
When I do strange, I use his flight ability to get away from venom ult, jeff ult or anyone trying to dash at me when my shield is gone.
I have to time it right though and save it
Hawkeye is the best if you got aim. Ironfist is the best when you’re missing chromosomes and don’t have any limbs.
Magik is S+ for me
Bro
How can you already do tierlist?! 💀
I’m sorry but the widow Ashe one tricks can’t make tier lists
I pray Overwatch dudes don’t try to ruin this game like they ruined their own. Everything doesn’t need to be balanced for comp play let people have fun,
Is that z brolly?
Iron fist is a mid hero he’s a pub stomper
A question for iron fist players:
Do you guys shower?
Cap is an A rank Imo
This is a party game. I love how all the OW big names are complaining about characters in this game wanting it to become what overwatch is. Then they'll say this game feels so stale. Ya, because you couldn't let fun stupid abilities be fun and stupid. I pray they don't listen to all the big overwatch streamers takes and keep this game fun and crazy
Please don't start talking about how people need a nerf. Already The game's been out a couple days. We don't need to nerf any characters. It is what it is. Just enjoy the game. This is what ruins these games so often is they're constantly nerving characters people like, because people complain about them and tell everyone sucks
Ironman should be nerfed too
Nah he’s fine unless you don’t have a counter
Spideman anyone 👀
Spider-Man D tbh his combos are good but take too long
SPIDER MAN IS TOO SLOW!!! nah bro hes amazing its just alot of skill expression. Plus his combos are fast as fuck @corbels
@natibinyam9264 at least with my experience I haven’t seen a single Spider-Man with positive k-d but I haven’t played ranked so
@corbels fair enough. Sry if I sounded mean. Just went 39 kills 9 deaths in my last match in ranked it was a slaughter fest :)
Ironfist is S like hela? AHHAHAHAHA this man is trolling or is brain-dead for real I mean he is an Ashe main for sure he don't understand how difficult is to play dive.
Saying iron fist is broken is just a skill issue
i feel like ur just dogshit if u put ironfist at S. 1 heal or 1 stun and he is dead. he needs to commit 100% everytime