MBTI: Perceiving axes explained (Se-Ni and Ne-Si)
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024
- In this video I talk about the different ways of perceiving the world (MBTI): the two perceiving axes. What does it mean to take in information through Se and process it with Ni, or with Ne and Si? For more MBTI related videos, check out this channel.
Keywords: MBTI, Carl Jung, Myers-Briggs, personality type, 16personalities, cognitive functions, perceiving axes, INFJ
My dad has introverted sensing and a photographic memory. I hadn't made that connection until I saw this video. Also, great explanation of everything and the drawing really helped! I loved the differences in where the lightbulbs were, that was a good illustration of Ne vs Ni.
Thank you, I'm glad! 😄
This was such a great explanation of these functions. Out of the dozens of videos I have watched to understand these function, finally here is one that displays them clearly. Thank you!
Yeah, and we INFJs do like to say, "this is most likely to happen, that is most likely to take place", most likely is something we like to say, and I do believe INTJs do too. Thank you for your knowledge milady Kuro.
INTJs usually also add - and therefore here is plan A, B and C.
Actually ENTPs say that the most because Ne/Si sees a lot more possibilities and Ti can't deduce down to the future without Ni or Si narrowing. INxJs are the most likely to actually make predictions on what WILL happen according to their Ni
@@dxfifa Yes but Ni loves to narrow things down to the most likely possibilities and is usually pretty accurate most of the time. We figure out the most possible outcomes and can allot of times we hope we are wrong, then we find out we were either right or nearly right.
Hi!I can't express how grateful I am for you making this video!I have been struggling to understand Cognitive Functions for a while.You explained the perceiving functions so well!Thank you!❤
This is very good! It made things more clear to me, well done, especially the drawing. 👍🏻
Nice vid and drawing in there (Well done) loved it !
This is really interesting actually. It really makes you question who is the most objective in the end cause yes extraverted intuition sees many possibilities with an objective point of view but the datas used to elaborate those possibilities come from a subjective place, from their detailed souvenirs. Wherehas with introverted intuition the possibilities are seen with a subjective point of view but the datas used to elaborate those possibilities come from an objective place, the sensory informations of the moment. Additionally, as an INFJ, I often feel like my head is also constantly full of questioning and thoughts over the sensory datas I collected. It's like I'm usually more or less aware that I have all these datas present in my mind even though I can't verbalise it yet until I can. When I discuss with Ne users, I get all they're saying and all their theories because it somehow always feels familiar. It's because I almost unconsciously chose to not explore the possibility they're talking about and to not take it into account simply because I didn't think it was likely enough or too exotic. It's pretty clear to me that introverted intuition operates a more or less unconscious selection process to eliminate ideas specifically because Ni users don't like to have too many possibilities at their disposal and the head full of thoughts because all those datas take too much space in their mind otherwise and they don't necessarely exteriorize and verbalise it like an extraverted intuition user would. That also explains very well why I rarely think about the past and why when I choose to remember of an event, it doesn't feel altered at all in my mind and I don't attach any form of sentimentalism to it. Nostalgia doesn't really affect me.
Great drawing!
Zo leuk, ik denk dat je ook nederlands bent, maar ik ben al veel ouder hoor. Ik heb mijn dochter die een entp is om over Mbti en de funkties te praten. Wij vonden het heel verslavend puzzelen over de funkties en wie is wat😂 maar ik heb helaas nog niet een andere infj herkend in dagelijks leven. Mooie uitleg❤
Dankjewel!
Thank you.
My INFJ tendencies, while being idealistic, have impact on the environment that I inhabit. When I live out my 'ideal' of a situation it seems that the situation 'morphs' into what I portray my situation that which i envisioned. Not always, but enough that I will continue to behave in the manner that I do. I have high enough IQ and EQ to navigate the petty personal politics that run most peoples lives. It is these energies that put the worst hurdles in my life.
Thank you again.
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By the way, I subscribed.
Guten abend kuro! I have looked at some mbti articles on the internet and i dont really understand the difference between introverted and extroverted. If we are the subject of perception, then the world is the object. However the perceived object is always processed in the brain, then perception is cognitive process in which an object is reflected in the brain, and that reflection is what the subject perceives. So, we are always extroverted in the way of gathering information but introverted in processing information. So, since we are both, how can we be categorized as either extroverted or introverted? Its a beautiful drawing, by the way. So, ich wünsche dir ein wunderbares wochenende!
"i dont really understand the difference between introverted and extroverted."
🤔I'm just guessing here, but maybe it has to do with being objective?
That it's easier for an Se to be objective about processing the information?
Galileo, the father of observational astronomy, stated that the Earth revolved around the sun and was branded a heretic by the Catholic Church because he had the gall to contradict the holy church because they believed that the Earth was the center of the universe.
If ya ask me the Catholic Church is Si and Galileo is Se.
I could be biased here cauz I believe that religions rarely see the world as it is, instead they force their believers to see the world as their holy text describes it.
"So, we are always extroverted in the way of gathering information but introverted in processing information."
😎I agree. Knowing = seeing. If you're unaware that a chameleon can camouflage his skin you'll most likely miss it the 1st time you encounter one when it's hidden by it's surroundings.
Then there's the fact that the more you know, the more you'll see and the more you see/know the less you'll rely on your intuition.
I only rely on my intuition when I have to react immediatly, when there's no time to think logically.
Then there's the difference between subjects that are familiar and unfamiliar. When it's (very) familiar I'm more a creative thinker who often skips steps in his logical reasoning, but when it's unfamiliar I take it easy and try not to skip a step.
Thanks for the reply. In the case of orbital revolution, it only depends from where you are observing and which point you want to place as the point of the observation. Both earth and the sun are moving around an orbit of the galaxy and there isnt any fix point. However, if you place the earth as the point of observation, then everything is moving around the earth. Thus you have the concept of time, which is the measurement of how many times celestial objects pass the same observation point on earth (day, month, year, etc.)
There is a good book called chaos, by james gleick. In the book there is a quote "the sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models... the justification of such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is expected to work".
True, we can't really function if we would be only introverted or extraverted; we are both at the same time constantly, but there is still a switch of focus/interest going on. Introverts prefer to be more in their mind, and imagine things/reflect on things that are not necessarily directly connected to their surroundings in that moment. Their extraversion is still happening but more subconscious. For example, when being lost in thought you can still walk around, but are less focused on your surroundings so you might bump into something.
Extraverts are usually more active and they are focused on their surroundings more frequently and more interested in interacting with it; even though they perceive it in an 'introverted' manner, the images they perceive are still nearly identical to their surroundings at that moment. For example, Se indeed has to be processed internally, but what the person sees is nearly identical to the world around them in that moment, whereas Ni and Si don't have to be. It could be something they saw many years ago for example, or something they have never seen before. Ne may not be identical to but will still be closely related to what they see in the moment. So their focus is still on the external world. Whereas introverts would more often have a larger disconnection of their thoughts vs the world around them. But no one is completely introverted or extraverted, just leaning more to one side.
Hallo kuro, thanks for you reply. So you mean the differeces are in the attention to the surrounding and how the surrounding is registered in the mind. I really dont believe that it is possible to react purely on outside stimmulus, since reflexes are something that one have learned (for example like driving a car ) but some people have faster reaction time and pay more attention to the changes in their surrounding, while some is more intuned to their emotions and the changes in their thoughts. I think this is important to recognize since i believe that one can only have a healthy psyche if one is constantly aware of the changes in their sourroundings and feelings, and is able to adjust their emotional and behavior appropriately to those changes
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"In the case of orbital revolution, it only depends from where you are observing and which point you want to place as the point of the observation."
True, but the point I'm trying to make here is that Si are more prone to be affected by their own psychological state of mind than an Se. I'm guessing that whether you're an optimist or pessimist has more effect on an Si than an Se.
Even as a child I reasoned that if you truly want to recognise danger for what it is it would be better to ignore your own emotions (fear) to be as objective as possible. This way I've learned to differentiate between rational fear and irrational fear.
"the sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models... the justification of such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is expected to work".
Agreed. I prefer science over religion, because science has no problem admitting that they are wrong while religion pretends that their god(s) is perfect thus can't be wrong. Many religious people actually believe that they know how reality works, that they can see the big picture thus understand how reality should work.
However, the problem nowadays is that technology has become a religion itself, because modern man is convinced that his technology will solve every problem, simply because it has done so from the start.
I agree that science has given man the tools to conquer nature, unfortunately this won't save man from himself. Because of his advanced technology man forced his surroundings to adapt to him, unlike all the other animals who survived by adapting to their surroundings.
Man, through the science of agriculture, is the only animal at war with nature itself and so has become a dangerous threat to earth's biodiversity.
Because we replace every other form of life with our agriculture.
Pretty good vid
Ngl Se-dom life seems nice at this point (Enfp here) xD.
The MBTI has the wrong descriptions for Si. You were closer to the truth in that you've not touched on it being associated with memory. The important word to remember for introverted sensation is refining. That's what Si is doing. I have a video on my channel explaining it a bit but that adjustment alters the types so that the ISxj types fit into Plato's temperaments which is accurate to type.
I don't think I agree, but thanks for commenting. I personally agree with Jungs and Myers descriptions of Si. Especially it being like a 'mirror of the physical world' but somewhat altered, depending on the person and what they value (which impressions do they value most). They have the ability to compile a lot of sensory data in their mind.
But everyone can have their own views on it and that's cool, guess there's many theories out there.
@@kurotadorii I agree with all of that, but I think it's vital to emphasize that Si is very much paying attention to the current moment and the world around you, just in a different way than Se. Se is interested in exploring the physical world, Si is focused on ordering, stabilising and consolidating for its own subjective sake. It's the introverted version of Se, so it's about building and maintaining a personal relationship to the S world. Describing it as inherently about memory paints the function as if it's somewhere between S and N, like it's a really N version of S. But it's not. It's an S version of S. It's just an introverted version of S.
It pays lots of attention to and takes a lot of care of the physical world, so as a result it really helps with memory. But that's only a side effect. It's really focussed on the external physical world but is always trying to refine everything it finds into a singular coherent identity and invest the user's own subjective identity into the physical world.
It's physical world focussed and personal identity focussed, but not memory focussed, the memory buff is only a side effect. Like we don't say that Se is focussed on playing sport. It's just that Se is really useful for playing sport. But Se itself is deeper and broader than just that
@@Mart-Bro I see Si as a function focused on internal data exploration, just like Ni is. The difference is that the data itself is all about the sensing world. This is also why they are so interested in the physical world, because that is the data that they are always seeing (and yes also organizing/refining!) in their mind. But it is all realistic data. That's why I see it as similar to memory, because it just is realistic and it has already been taken in, so it is technically data from the past. Maybe what you mean is that for example remembering facts is not the same as Si. I guess the word memory can be interpreted in different ways. I mean it more like remembering images of the past rather than facts. No maybe it is not exactly the same as memory, but I do use this word because I feel like it makes it easier to understand. I also don't want people to lose attention because it's too confusing. (If they want to know more detail they can always ask). Not sure if we are on the same page or not, but I just thought I'd explain myself a bit more.
i imagined the same abstract image of Si-Ne as the one you drew before u even showed it
Best description ❤ honestly! And I have watched many.
@@Irma0101 thank you!
I really can't be Se-Ni even though I sometimes doubt it 'cause I can see a thing and interpret it differently.😅 Like the mug/cup you showed, it made me think of a half of a Russian Doll body. Or simply can be a vase. Interesting, is that Ne-Si?
Interesting, I mean it's hard to know for sure based on only this information but from what you're saying, it sounds to me like Ne-Si yes! For me as a Ni-Se user, I almost never have that what you are describing, items around me will usually not remind me of something else easily.
I feel like an extraverted type, who is afraid of people and their reactions, who uses Fi the strongest, followed by Si. Then Se and Ne equally. What am I?
Enfp?
@@Serenaisverytired I thought ESFP.
BRUUUHHH I use both pairs 😂
You are Dutch, aren't you :-)
Being SiNe😊 being SeNi💀
Y r u cognitive functionist bro?
Pov: You, creater of this comment are SeNi, I swear.