Confronting Kirk

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  • Опубликовано: 21 дек 2024

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  • @barone8889
    @barone8889 4 года назад +534

    When Bones agrees with Spock...you know shit is messed up.

    • @larzkruber822
      @larzkruber822 3 года назад +5

      Michael Burnham would have kicked the sense out of both of them and would had been right at the end of the episode!

    • @samcrubish1336
      @samcrubish1336 3 года назад +8

      @@larzkruber822 that's why the show sucks. burnham sucks.

    • @nicoelle01
      @nicoelle01 3 года назад +1

      Apples to oranges.

    • @2bituser569
      @2bituser569 2 года назад +3

      @@larzkruber822 who is this Michael you speak of… 😂

    • @larzkruber822
      @larzkruber822 2 года назад +2

      @@2bituser569 the bestes of all in the star trek universe.
      The women who can catch a grenade with her face while just slightly being annoyed by it

  • @sjplwc
    @sjplwc 3 года назад +562

    One of my buddies put it perfectly to me a long time ago: No other Star Trek series has ever been able to capture the peerless chemistry generated by these three characters. Despite its occasionally corny plots, sometimes stilted dialogue, often terrible special effects (at least by 2021 standards) , and other series' shortcomings, Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly created something that has never been repeated. A number of their interactions over three seasons remain among television's most luminous moments. It's why ST: TOS still stands up well after half a century.

    • @anthonyfmoss
      @anthonyfmoss 3 года назад +25

      Well said sir!

    • @cherylresnick-cortes8022
      @cherylresnick-cortes8022 3 года назад +16

      Agree, absolutely!

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 года назад +13

      Spot on, sir.

    • @kevinemmers9424
      @kevinemmers9424 3 года назад +23

      While Star Trek 5 was mostly a crap movie, I do really enjoy the camping scenes. Character depth doesn’t get any better than that. No explosions, no fistfights, no phaser firing. Just three brothers sharing a night under the stars, sharing whiskey flavored beans, and singing “Row, row, row your boat”

    • @jamesburns8530
      @jamesburns8530 3 года назад +9

      I agree totally! Well said!

  • @geniusfollower
    @geniusfollower 4 года назад +451

    everyone's gangsta until McCoy agrees with Spock.

  • @PanzerblitzRnR
    @PanzerblitzRnR 5 лет назад +304

    "No. Logic is not enough. I got to feel my way. Make absolutely sure."
    This quote sums up Kirk perfectly.

    • @samcrubish1336
      @samcrubish1336 3 года назад +9

      It also summed up Spock in STMP when he broke the Kolinahr.

    • @MadSpectre47
      @MadSpectre47 Год назад +3

      @@samcrubish1336 I mean... Spock completes the journey in 6.
      "Logic is the beginning of wisdom."

    • @LordTalax
      @LordTalax Год назад +1

      Give up the rational approach for the irrational.

    • @LeftIsBest001
      @LeftIsBest001 7 месяцев назад

      Like a blind man at an orgy, he was going to have to feel his way around.

  • @tomsmith2013
    @tomsmith2013 3 года назад +206

    This is the epitome of why Star Trek worked. These guys were the ultimate tribunal.

  • @MachallaNaNaNa
    @MachallaNaNaNa 8 лет назад +447

    "Even in this corner of the galaxy, two plus two equals four" Vulcan sass is next level

    • @diannalim2871
      @diannalim2871 8 лет назад +4

      Michelle Warren

    • @nickhartman6372
      @nickhartman6372 4 года назад +8

      @Leo Peridot You people are absolutely obsessed and deranged. It must suck to think of nothing but Donald Trump 24-7. Don't you have any hobbies, or a family?

    • @abigjillsandwich
      @abigjillsandwich 4 года назад +2

      Man's not hot.

    • @jamesboulger8705
      @jamesboulger8705 4 года назад +1

      Contemporary logic can make things fuzzy. Even Russell took a few dozen pages to argue 1+1=2. And now there is paralogic, where not all of the classical laws of logic may be valid.

    • @DARisse-ji1yw
      @DARisse-ji1yw 3 года назад +6

      Spock's not familiar with "new math" and " core curriculums" ...

  • @stevenpilling5318
    @stevenpilling5318 5 лет назад +171

    That was a deeper episode than most, full of mystery, moral issues and plot twists.

    • @Brian_tim
      @Brian_tim 4 года назад +27

      Not to mention great acting all around.

    • @jeffnaslund
      @jeffnaslund 3 года назад +7

      And Shakespeare

    • @RedCygnes14
      @RedCygnes14 Год назад +3

      You summarized the reasons why this episode stands in my Top 3 of TOS.

    • @kayequinn7146
      @kayequinn7146 Год назад +1

      One of the best.

  • @KingoftheJuice18
    @KingoftheJuice18 6 лет назад +136

    Love when the three of them are all sparring! What a team!!

  • @socksumi
    @socksumi 4 года назад +154

    Interesting and unusual to see McCoy siding with Spock in a dispute.

    • @Raguleader
      @Raguleader 3 года назад +24

      And coming at him from their respective corners, logic and emotion. Spock and McCoy as always representing the two sides of Kirk's personality.

    • @kurtjk01
      @kurtjk01 3 года назад +13

      Kirk and Spock were friends. Kirk and McCoy were friends. With Spock and McCoy, it took some work. But, over time, the three became inseparable, and all the better for it; so when Spock and McCoy were telling Jim he was acting out of line, Kirk had to explain his reasoning and satisfy both of them.

    • @sarahfullerton6894
      @sarahfullerton6894 11 месяцев назад +3

      The same kind of scene took place in the 2nd season episode, "Obsession". Very similar, and equally excellent!

  • @995fantaisia
    @995fantaisia 11 лет назад +161

    very intense scene. Spock and Bones are so concerned for Kirk!

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 года назад +10

      And for the ship, since Kirk is acting weird, not telling them what's up.

  • @jcortese3300
    @jcortese3300 4 года назад +112

    I love Spock in this: "-- whether or not Karidian is Kodos." "He is." No uncertainty, no coddling, just right out there. "He is."

    • @65if2007
      @65if2007 Год назад +6

      I like the way that McCoy came to the defense of his rival Spock even after Spock upraided him for being ignorant of the difference between empiricism and stubbornness. It speaks highly of McCoy's integrity. The truth is the truth, even if it means that Spock is right here.

  • @jamesmurray3128
    @jamesmurray3128 5 лет назад +264

    As a kid this episode helped me pass my math test. Previously I struggled with 2+2. Thanks Spock.

  • @sheppma
    @sheppma 2 года назад +62

    Bones: “it’s his job! And you know it.” That got me.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 2 года назад +9

      Hey, as Spock once said to McCoy, and Im memory-paraphrasing, "I would take any suggestions at this point doctor, even emotional ones."

    • @dirdib69
      @dirdib69 Год назад +16

      And it got Kirk, too - shut him right down. He knows that when Spock and McCoy agree in disagreeing with him, something is very wrong. They are his council, and his balance.

    • @leerichardson5842
      @leerichardson5842 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@JnEricsonxYes. That's in "The Gamesters of Triskelion".

  • @maingun07
    @maingun07 5 лет назад +136

    This. This right here is Star Trek. CBS, are you paying attention?

    • @hamhockbeans
      @hamhockbeans 4 года назад +9

      Preach brother. You should look at the remaster version they put some makeup on the Enterprise and made her look as good as the movie versions. More or less light and shadow on the model and detailed texture.

    • @Super80sMan
      @Super80sMan 3 года назад +16

      Too may people now days are too interested in action and violence. They don't care about plot and moral debates.

    • @spudthegreaterusa8386
      @spudthegreaterusa8386 3 года назад +14

      No, they are not. Too concerned about which of the various 52 genders they can represent in an episode.

    • @Pondimus_Maximus
      @Pondimus_Maximus 3 года назад +8

      @@Super80sMan I think you’re correct, when it comes to the buffoons running the shows, but I’m certain the general audience craves something just a BIT more thought-provoking, than the constant death, death, death we get from the latest Star Trek impersonations.

    • @illusionclassicrock6742
      @illusionclassicrock6742 3 года назад +3

      Couldn’t have said it better!

  • @warrenpierce5542
    @warrenpierce5542 3 года назад +92

    Real adult characters, acting like adults.

    • @logandarklighter
      @logandarklighter 3 года назад +16

      And that's why STD Fails, and fails hard. NOBODY acts like adults on that show.

    • @thenix8881
      @thenix8881 Год назад +5

      I've thought the same thing for a long time.

  • @andregodfrey3022
    @andregodfrey3022 Год назад +16

    This entire scene is nothing shy of a "MASTER CLASS" of acting....THIS IS STAR TREK....KIRK, SPOCK & BONES...

  • @Al-tz6bm
    @Al-tz6bm 3 года назад +150

    Kirk: "Logic isn't enough"
    Spock: *has a heart attack*

  • @verkaforever
    @verkaforever 3 года назад +23

    1:00 You can just tell Kirk's thinking "Wait what? Bones agreed with Spock- woah, this MUST be serious!".

  • @SupermanCrypto1
    @SupermanCrypto1 3 года назад +39

    Man thats awesome acting and chemistry.

  • @james5460
    @james5460 3 года назад +64

    This is exactly the kind of everyone looking out for each other's backs that subsequent Star Trek series never duplicated. It's hard to build relationships that ring true, TOS managed it, others just try to manage it.

    • @logandarklighter
      @logandarklighter 3 года назад +11

      I think sometimes - SOMETIMES - TNG, DS9 and VOY all had their moments. But that's the problem - they weren't CONSISTANT with it.

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Год назад +6

      @@logandarklighter I think one of the reasons for the inconsistency was that from TNG onwards the shows have relied on ensemble casts. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it means that the writers aren't preoccupied with shaping the interrelationships between a very small number of characters episode after episode.

  • @bettyblue1986
    @bettyblue1986 5 лет назад +124

    Thanos definitely watched this episode and said "This Kodos guy had the right idea."

    • @edinscot56789
      @edinscot56789 4 года назад +8

      Proof the same dozen stories are recycled over and over.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm 3 года назад +6

      @@edinscot56789 The universal themes that make a great story also mean that the story can be set in different places and times, and the story will still work.
      "Forbidden Planet" is Shakespeare's The Tempest. "West Side Story" is Romeo and Juliet. "The Lion King" is Hamlet. Star Trek explored Moby Dick-twice. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is a retelling of the story of Christ. Hell, The Epic of Gilgamesh (which is the oldest surviving story, dating from about 2100 BC) has been used dozens of times, including ST:TNG

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 года назад +4

      @@edinscot56789 Even more true considering that there is a Shakespeare play being performed by the characters in this episode that has parallels to the storyline.

    • @PrincessToyNerd
      @PrincessToyNerd 3 года назад

      And that is another reason why Thanos is a stupid space raisin.

    • @LonesomeTraveller
      @LonesomeTraveller 2 года назад +1

      Except Thanos didn't have the right idea. Population curves aren't straight lines, they're sigmoidal, and it only takes a few years to replenish half of the population to be restored, compared to the time required to replenish around 65% of the population because population curves roughly follow first order exponential growth in the initial stages.

  • @STho205
    @STho205 9 месяцев назад +2

    One of the best written and performed scenes in TOS.
    Conflict, human doubt contrasted with cold certainty.

  • @hankkingsley2976
    @hankkingsley2976 3 года назад +19

    The Holy Trinity those three guys were cool as hell

  • @domainofthesun4400
    @domainofthesun4400 6 лет назад +71

    Good strong grown-up drama

    • @hamhockbeans
      @hamhockbeans 4 года назад +5

      Star Trek first trailer of the series said its a space ADULT story pretty much. Star Trek the original series even had more blood then every series that came after.

  • @carolynm8421
    @carolynm8421 2 года назад +22

    That "no, but they may rest easier" you can really feel when you consider the real history of our world. Amazing acting from all three.

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Год назад +2

      Yes, this is good stuff. Well-made television for any genre, any year.

  • @NewStarConstellation
    @NewStarConstellation Год назад +11

    One of the best scenes of the whole Star trek franchise, no doubt about hat.
    Well written (especially the second part), excellent acted, puts up huge positive old-school role modelling - that's what TOS made you identifiy with its characters and want as a possible future for mankind.

  • @maureentuohy8672
    @maureentuohy8672 7 лет назад +52

    Uooooo! I just love it when the big boys play rough! Can’t beat it with a stick! Especially when Spock shows that he has command skill by revealing his accretive, surly side! Hot Dog!

  • @WaffleAfterHours
    @WaffleAfterHours 3 года назад +20

    Sometimes I frogot how well acted this series was.

  • @michaelmayhill5464
    @michaelmayhill5464 Год назад +9

    This is a PERFECT example of the how the strengths of the Big 3 bounce off each other. Kurt needed BOTH those guys.

  • @horangi0084
    @horangi0084 11 лет назад +44

    Season 1 Episode 13 The Conscience of the King.

  • @markisaac3550
    @markisaac3550 4 года назад +27

    Great actors woooow that screen was awesome

  • @jjgrey1488
    @jjgrey1488 5 лет назад +45

    "Even n this corner of the galaxy captain 2+2=4..."

    • @stevekillgore9272
      @stevekillgore9272 3 года назад +3

      The new Corporate Socialists disagree, they see all five lights

    • @stephenwright8824
      @stephenwright8824 3 года назад

      @@stevekillgore9272 Seven of them guns made by wholly-owned subsidiaries of theirs.

  • @maureentuohy8672
    @maureentuohy8672 Год назад +6

    The conscience of the king is one of the three best TOS has to offer. It’s a great story with brilliant performances by everyone. Arnold Moss was outstanding and mesmerizing.

  • @lazyhazeldaisy9596
    @lazyhazeldaisy9596 4 года назад +22

    He's so lovely when he's angry!

    • @mdd1963
      @mdd1963 3 года назад +1

      gay statements are...gay.

  • @bertharico4397
    @bertharico4397 5 лет назад +54

    Captain Kirk, he was very handsome.

    • @verkaforever
      @verkaforever 3 года назад +1

      Not as handsome as Spock.

    • @GladiusTR
      @GladiusTR 3 года назад

      Bertga Rico: Sisko
      Verthaforever: Jadzia

  • @tuttt99
    @tuttt99 10 месяцев назад +2

    Seriously underrated episode.

  • @Argumemnon
    @Argumemnon 3 года назад +25

    "You should be told the difference between empiricism and stubbornness, doctor."
    Very wise, Spock, but I do detect frustration in your voice. A few days of Kohlinar will do you some good.

    • @samcrubish1336
      @samcrubish1336 3 года назад +10

      He tried it and rejected it because later on he would learn what Kirk already knew. Logic is not enough. Logic is the beginning of wisdom not the end.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 3 года назад

      It's McCoy, of course Spock would react that way.

    • @gbsailing9436
      @gbsailing9436 Год назад

      He has it under control...

  • @MattFergusonmwfergo
    @MattFergusonmwfergo 3 года назад +21

    That's fucking acting!

  • @Trev0r98
    @Trev0r98 5 лет назад +43

    Kirk: "....no, but they might rest easier." Kirk, determined to make the dead rest easier, carries Kodos' head through the Enterprise's corridors in triumph.

    • @sciranger6703
      @sciranger6703 4 года назад +6

      What, do you think LETTING A MASS MURDERER GO FREE is a good, mercyful plan?

    • @paulsteinhauser434
      @paulsteinhauser434 4 года назад +6

      @@sciranger6703 the dead do rest easier knowing that the man who killed them and others is dead.

    • @jstrahan2
      @jstrahan2 4 года назад +3

      Sciranger6: Leave out the supply ship arriving early and Kodos is a hero, not a 'mass murderer'.

    • @mackgiver875
      @mackgiver875 3 года назад +3

      @@jstrahan2 No, he'd still be a mass murderer unless the ship shows up before he starts mowing down his own citizens.

    • @jstrahan2
      @jstrahan2 3 года назад +2

      Mack Giver: So... You would rather everybody die than half survive?

  • @casienwhey
    @casienwhey 4 месяца назад +2

    The chemistry between these three (and maybe with Scotty four of them) could have carried this show for easily a decade. It would not have mattered what the story line was as long as they all interacted.

  • @jbmbryant
    @jbmbryant 3 года назад +10

    Justice: When some people exact revenge.
    Retribution: When other people exact revenge.

  • @beechnut8779
    @beechnut8779 3 года назад +5

    Real friends know how confront and bring out the best in each other.

  • @protorhinocerator142
    @protorhinocerator142 3 года назад +14

    James T. Kirk doesn't mess around.
    Neither do Spock and McCoy.

  • @h.calvert3165
    @h.calvert3165 Год назад +5

    So wish Bruce Hyde had had more than two appearances on TOS. Both of his episodes were top-notch (The Naked Time being the other). Like Roger Carmel (Harry Mudd), who also appeared twice in the same character, his contribution outweighed his screen time. Ahhhh, what a fine comic Trek film we could have had in the 1980's, focused around ol' Harcourt Fenton Mudd, had he not died in 1986! RIP, Bruce & Roger. We remember you. 👱🏻‍♀️👱🏻‍♀️ 💊 👩🏻👩🏻

  • @michaellowery4162
    @michaellowery4162 3 года назад +7

    Logic and emotion confronting Kirk. No way he can get out of this without admitting his bias.

  • @hollylynch9349
    @hollylynch9349 2 года назад +5

    Kirk : "Logic is not enough"
    Spock : *has a heart attack*
    Bones : "He's not dead Jim. The green blooded hob-goblin is still alive"
    Love it
    #Spock
    #Kirk
    #McCoy
    #StarTrek

  • @LA_Commander
    @LA_Commander Год назад +4

    This is exactly why, at least in our military, it's known as a "command team". It's not just one guy, it's the commander and his team which gets the job done

  • @TheMikester307
    @TheMikester307 3 года назад +3

    I absolutely love this episode. I saw it in reruns in the early 70s when I was in Jnr. High; may be one of the reasons I read a bunch of Shakespeare in High School.

  • @steelers6titles
    @steelers6titles Год назад +1

    McCoy's shirt is short-sleeved, and made of different material than the others.

    • @steelers6titles
      @steelers6titles Год назад

      Only medical personnel seemed to wear the short-sleeved uniform shirt.

  • @65if2007
    @65if2007 Год назад +9

    McCoy's suggestion that Kirk might choose to "play God and carry his head through the corridors in triumph" is yet another veiled Shakespeare allusion, since that is how Macbeth ends.

  • @steelers6titles
    @steelers6titles Год назад +1

    The voice of the Astral Queen's captain is provided by John Astin ("The Addams Family").

  • @mikebasil4832
    @mikebasil4832 Год назад +4

    One of Mr. Spock's best quotes:
    "Even in this corner of the galaxy, 2 + 2 = 4."

  • @Dakers11
    @Dakers11 3 года назад +8

    McCoy would let anyone have it." Now you have done it!." He never backed down from his Medical obervationa.

  • @ninline2000
    @ninline2000 3 года назад +5

    One hell of a command team.

  • @sangoandmiroku799
    @sangoandmiroku799 11 лет назад +40

    Alot of the good ones are in Season 1

    • @degrelleholt6314
      @degrelleholt6314 3 года назад +3

      I must agree. The first season is my favorite. Somehow the episodes therein feel more gritty--like they are out on the fringes and you have to get your hands dirty.

    • @ulphil08
      @ulphil08 3 года назад +2

      @@degrelleholt6314 Some season 2 episodes are pretty damn good 2 but yes, season 1 rocked

    • @patrickwilson1459
      @patrickwilson1459 Год назад

      Even though Season 3 had a few not so good episodes it was still a good season nonetheless.

  • @neilpuckett359
    @neilpuckett359 3 года назад +2

    Excellent episode.

  • @Trev0r98
    @Trev0r98 5 лет назад +9

    Spock, to Kirk: "I mean, this Kodos guy was a real jerk."

  • @Andrew-ep4kw
    @Andrew-ep4kw 2 года назад +6

    This episode was pretty clearly an analogue of the search for Nazi criminals. The lines that encompass the core of that search are spoken by McCoy and Kirk;
    McCoy "What if you decide he is Kodos, what then? Do you play God, carry his head through the corridors in triumph? That won't bring back the dead Jim!"
    Kirk "No...but they may rest easier."

    • @b00ks825
      @b00ks825 29 дней назад

      Oh that’s a really interesting comment, thank you. I’d never thought of that. It’s an interesting piece of cultural context that gets lost to newer, younger fans like me

  • @ianmcpherson2171
    @ianmcpherson2171 4 года назад +8

    That last line tho...

  • @verkaforever
    @verkaforever 3 года назад +3

    RIP Leonard Nimoy and Deforrest Kelly. Shatner turned 90 this March.

  • @AidanFarren-Hart
    @AidanFarren-Hart 3 года назад +9

    2:21 - “No, but they may rest easier.”
    *DUNALDUN-*

  • @christinebethencourt6197
    @christinebethencourt6197 Год назад +1

    Best series EVER 💕💕💕

  • @2-bitgaming431
    @2-bitgaming431 4 года назад +7

    Shatner may ham it up but it's the Jamon Iberico of acting

    • @kevinemmers9424
      @kevinemmers9424 3 года назад +3

      It took me years to appreciate some of Shatner’s “hammy” acting. But, then I had to realize not everything in Star Trek was meant to be viewed through the lens of reality. Plato’s Stepchildren is an excellent example of this. Shatner is actually a great actor, as shown at the end of Star Trek 2 when confronted with Spock’s death. Not ashamed to admit it. That scene brought total waterfalls for me.

  • @logandarklighter
    @logandarklighter 3 года назад +6

    Other Trek (and Sci-Fi shows like Babylon 5) have actors and characters with charisma and chemistry.
    But - here's the thing - pay attention to the pure "lightning in a bottle" that the original Trek captured compared to the others.
    They had a TRIO with chemistry.
    I can't think of a single show in all of televised Sci-Fi - Trek or not - that had a full trio with chemistry. At their best - shows like DS9, TNG and B5 had multiple DUOS with chemistry. And when they all got together in a group - often they had intersecting angles that made good group ensembles.
    But ONLY Star Trek TOS has Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley as Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
    You can't manufacture that. You can't duplicate it.
    You can blame multiple points of failure for the failings of the JJ-Verse/Kelvin Timeline. But a BIG one is that - no matter how good Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, and Karl Urban were (and they WERE excellent!) they just didn't have the same chemistry. They had SOME chemistry. Pine and Quinto worked well together. Quinto and Urban worked well together. Urban and Pine worked well together.
    But somehow - put all THREE of them in a scene - and the sum is less than it's parts.
    Whereas put Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley in the same scene and it's GOLD. EVERY TIME.

  • @heartattackjack9349
    @heartattackjack9349 4 года назад +15

    I wish they had revisited this storyline, but further back in time, to when Kodos murdered all those people. To see him slowly lose his mind, rationalize the events, then have himself branded as a mass murderer, than show him hiding and get found by Kirk. They could have really run with this story in a movie instead of remaking an already perfect storyline of Kahn. I think Cumberbatch would have played an excellent Kodos.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 года назад +1

      Cumberbatch certainly made for a lousy Khan.

    • @alesin1992
      @alesin1992 2 года назад

      It's called Infinity War. It was a little baffling to see Kodos played by a grape though. Butawhiteboy Cantbekhan is in that too, he's a wizard.

    • @ronaldmackall1621
      @ronaldmackall1621 2 года назад +2

      That would have required Abrams and crew to have been actual Trek fans (which they were not).

    • @L1z43vr
      @L1z43vr 2 года назад

      No yeah, sure, let’s make a story that works for this character, who lived this life and had these experiences, and then let’s make this other version of the character who lived a different life and had different experiences, that would make a good story!
      No but seriously, this is like the whole Wanda vs Thanos thing, you’d bring Kodos to Kelvin Kirk and he’d be like “I don’t even know who you are”, because he never went to that colony.

  • @kmoore02809
    @kmoore02809 3 года назад +7

    Something that's never made sense to me. When TNG was produced, Gene Roddenberry put out the directive that there can be no conflict between Starfleet officers, as humanity would have 'evolved beyond that' in the future. It created great difficulty for many writers, as writing plot without conflict put them in a straightjacket. It wasn't until Roddenberry passed away and DS9 aired that the franchise was able to start to shed these shackles.
    Yet when you watch these older Star Trek episodes, there is LOADS of conflict among Starfleet officers. You would have thought Roddenberry would have watched some of his old work before issuing that edict.

    • @KneelB4Bacon
      @KneelB4Bacon 3 года назад +2

      The writers called it the "Roddenberry Box" and didn't like having to work within its constraints. There's nothing wrong with the idea of a utopian future, one where humanity has finally gotten its sh*t together. There's no more war, corporate greed, poverty, racism or sexism. That's awesome. But it's really constraining from a writer's point of view if conflict can only come from outside humanity because you're stuck with very boring, wooden characters, who have no flaws or personal problems to overcome. I could see the effects of this all though Season 1 of TNG.
      At then at the other extreme, we have the JJ-verse, where conflict comes from EVERYWHERE, including conflict from racism, sexism, poverty, etc. Stuff that you shouldn't see in a utopian future.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 года назад +4

      No, it wasn't when Roddenberry passed away, it was when they kicked him upstairs to "executive producer" and removed him from day to day writing and show-running. You are correct, though, the first season of TNG is cringe-worthy sometimes.

    • @miriamp.3761
      @miriamp.3761 3 года назад +1

      @@KneelB4Bacon there are conflicts in the TOS itself. Probably they are not as obvious as in the new series, but still, what the characters are proclaiming and how they are acting are two big differences sometimes. Also according to racism, sexism, even human traffic. Of course, it touches other planets. But even on the example of Spock, we can see racism in one and another direction. Even if those three are friends. Especially Bones and Spock are making racist comments about humans and Vulcans kinds. Even if it is kind of a joke. For Spock it has been a problem to his elder years, because he always has had an inner thought, trying to suppress one of his genetic parts. I wonder what would be, would he look like a human, being genetically half-Vulcan. Only in his later years he could not only comprehend, but also innerly acknowledge that those parts do not have to conflict.
      I don't know if this comparison is right, but probably some partially similar process happens when children are born in marriage by people of different cultures, nationalities, and religions. Some of them always try to choose where they belong. Especially when it touches religious beliefs. (Here they can have even more problems and conflicts than Spock, in my opinion.)

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Год назад

      This is something Harlan Ellison railed about with respect to STAR TREK and, almost certainly by having him be a credited creative consultant on BABYLON 5, *that* show was not so limited. Ellison thought it unnatural that "our guys" were always good and any conflicts were temporary but them aliens, well, *they* were nasty sumbitches.

    • @bernhardwall6876
      @bernhardwall6876 Год назад

      Humanity was still as bigoted as they are today; they just found new targets, like Spock.

  • @MoonarEclipse
    @MoonarEclipse 8 лет назад +10

    More scenes yes

  • @h.calvert3165
    @h.calvert3165 Год назад +2

    The whole concept of this episode, & the writing of it, is peerless. The Conscience of the King is one of TOS's best entries. "Are you sure it's not vengeance?" No, he isn't, & why should he have to be? It's personal, yes, but this is also a war criminal we're talking about here, & in a time not so long after the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, it's a punch to the gut! ⚖

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Год назад +1

      This ep really ran up the ladder for me after a recent rewatch. And yes, your bringing up the idea of extant WWII criminals at air time is most appropriate. One of the things that struck me about this story is how Spock will really get his back up at injustice (much as he did with the boardroom scene with Khan in "Space Seed") and reaches out metaphorically and even physically to McCoy in this episode after Spock does the computer research on Karidian and figures out the same thing Kirk has. Another angle is how Kirk has kept his suspicions about Karidian to himself up to that point in the story, likely in part because he wants to keep his crew's hands clean in the event he turns out to be wrong. It also puts Kirk's mack-daddy treatment of Karidian's daughter into something other than a Kirk-just-being-Kirk light; he's trying to get closer to Karidian indirectly - find out more about him.

  • @txmetalhead82xk
    @txmetalhead82xk 3 года назад +2

    Great scene

  • @keanueraine
    @keanueraine 3 года назад +2

    Im not sure how many trinities there were before ST:TOS but I'd bet my next paycheck that Spock, Kirk, McCoy are the gold standard template.
    Great episode btw. Pretty much blows any Discovery/Picard episode (Picard episode, not to be confused with a TNG episode).

  • @preferencepassionprogrammi5036

    “Even in this corner of the galaxy, two plus two equals four”….goddamn…how do come back on that?

  • @loughkb
    @loughkb 3 года назад +7

    It was a good episode, but even as a kid when I first saw it, something bothered me.
    If a notorious criminal were going into hiding, why would he pick a profession that puts him on display in front of crowds often?

    • @RafaelLopez-he6fz
      @RafaelLopez-he6fz 3 года назад +9

      It’s called “Hiding in Plain Sight”. That’s what Mafiosi do cause they don’t care if you know, they believe they have Power over you even if you see them. Had someone do that in my family once, coming to a family funeral did him in!

    • @loughkb
      @loughkb 3 года назад +3

      @@RafaelLopez-he6fz Yeah, but this guy represents someone on a far larger scale. More like a Stalin, or Hitler type of character, as I remember.
      That's a whole different level than mob crime.

    • @RafaelLopez-he6fz
      @RafaelLopez-he6fz 3 года назад

      @@loughkb That is True! Remember Colonel Green?

    • @loughkb
      @loughkb 3 года назад +5

      @@RafaelLopez-he6fz Didn't he kill Mrs. Scarlet in the library with the lead pipe?

    • @bernhardwall6876
      @bernhardwall6876 Год назад

      They probably tried out-of-the-way places, where nobody would have heard of Kodos, and didn't stay in any one place long enough for people to become suspicious.

  • @steelers6titles
    @steelers6titles Год назад +1

    The first season was indisputably the best of the three.

  • @shanekilpatrick3378
    @shanekilpatrick3378 Год назад

    That’s what made Kirk a great Commanding Officer. Two extremes for him to bounce ideas off.

  • @kathleenhensley5951
    @kathleenhensley5951 7 месяцев назад

    This scene and others like it is Why I loved Star Trek in the 1960s as a teenager.... Great stories, great writing but most of all, the humanity of these Three. James T Kirk, doubting himself, knowing he could be wrong... that is what an adult does.

  • @historybuff66
    @historybuff66 Год назад +1

    Spock was a bit more pugnacious and outspoken in the earliest episodes, more prone to emotion.

  • @mackgiver875
    @mackgiver875 3 года назад +4

    So...at the end of this scene is he deciding that McCoy's suggestion is a good idea...?

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 3 года назад +1

      Not really, but he's of the mind that if Kodos is dead, it'll balance the scales for those he killed.

    • @samcrubish1336
      @samcrubish1336 3 года назад

      @@JnEricsonx
      The ironic and tragic thing is that Kirk was willing to let Karidian go free because the voice analyzer didn't prove it was an exact match between Karidian and Kodos. It wasn't until Lenore confessed to the murders and Kirk heard the confession that the truth of Karidian's identity was revealed. On the other hand, even before Lenore confessed to the murders, Karidian chose to make a full confession and turn himself in to the authorities and nobody would've suspected she was responsible for the murders had she not confessed to them.

  • @Philipwaltho
    @Philipwaltho Год назад

    great sci-fi grew up with this in the60s

  • @marygreenfield528
    @marygreenfield528 4 года назад +10

    What I Learned From Star Trek
    2+2=4
    And galaxies have corners.
    (How many is unclear)

    • @sarahfullerton6894
      @sarahfullerton6894 3 года назад +1

      Hahahaha 😅

    • @j.jasonwentworth723
      @j.jasonwentworth723 3 года назад +1

      @@sarahfullerton6894 Coming from Spock, it was funny indeed. "Corner," though, is one of those words that has other meanings (understood in terms of context) besides its obvious, geometrical meaning; in this case, "corner" was used to refer to a distant locale of indeterminate size. Spock's use of it here was funny because being dedicated to logic, he (and other Vulcans [except his half-brother Sybok, who was banished from Vulcan for embracing emotion]) preferred to avoid the use of words with imprecise additional meanings.

  • @thatguyfromcetialphaV
    @thatguyfromcetialphaV 2 года назад +5

    Shatner gets a lot of stick for being a crap actor. I think he's absolutely wonderful and no one else could be Captain Kirk.

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Год назад +1

      I forget who said it but someone made the observation that what Shatner does is a *stylized form* of acting. And to be sure, there are a great many times where it comes off as stylized but in a very real way that's what makes him the star of the show. And he was often very, very good.

  • @MrCarlos93B
    @MrCarlos93B Год назад

    You’d think a Captain would rate a larger monitor.

  • @CarlosSanchez-bg4wf
    @CarlosSanchez-bg4wf Год назад

    Conscience of the king.

  • @Avianthro
    @Avianthro Год назад

    Logic is enough, but only if it has enough and accurate info on which to make a valid conclusion. That's where intuition comes in, the feeling that there's info not yet known or not correctly known.

    • @steelers6titles
      @steelers6titles Год назад

      But Spock doesn't act on intuition. He is governed by logic. He is absolutely certain that Karidian is Kodos. Why? And shouldn't this, in itself, be enough for Kirk to act? He already has probable cause to arrest Karidian, with the murder of Tom Leighton, and the attempt on Kevin Riley. Yet he delays.

    • @Avianthro
      @Avianthro Год назад

      @@steelers6titles Never forget that logic begins with assumptions, and that ultimate, foundational assumptions come from observation-experience, knowledge of facts, which may be wrong or incomplete. Logic is just a framework of if-then algorithms /rules also based on experience, like A cannot be B and A at the same time...Logic's success is limited by garbage in-garbage out, although very logical garbage. Martin Luther once said the "reason (logic) is a whore." Spock knows this and takes appropriate, scientific care. We humans though often just jump to conclusions without any kind of logical process and without examining our inputs...we could all stand to be a lot more Vulcan.

  • @kevinemmers9424
    @kevinemmers9424 3 года назад +1

    Pop Quiz. Who said it more often?
    Number of times Spock said “Fascinating!”
    Number of times McCoy said “He’s dead Jim”
    Number of times Kirk said “I’ve got to have more power” (or similar variant)
    Or number of times Doc Brown said “Great Scot!” (Ok. I inserted this one just for fun)

  • @Saltybuher
    @Saltybuher 10 месяцев назад

    Look at how emotional Spock can be. Emotionally controlled too.

  • @PassivePortfolios
    @PassivePortfolios Год назад +1

    Star Trek, before DNA testing was invented....

  • @2bituser569
    @2bituser569 2 года назад +1

    1:08 oh Mr Spock would be cancelled today for stating 2+2=4 😂

  • @KennethFord-y7c
    @KennethFord-y7c 6 месяцев назад

    They are a family !

  • @Philipwaltho
    @Philipwaltho Год назад

    yes you right this is unique ❤

  • @johnmarcucci1719
    @johnmarcucci1719 Год назад +1

    Certainly relevant for its day. In 1967 there were a lot of Nazi war criminals still lurking about. Only a few years before Eichmann had been hanged in tel Aviv.

  • @dirdib69
    @dirdib69 Год назад

    The color match on Spock's ears is a bit off.

  • @doctortimetv1577
    @doctortimetv1577 9 месяцев назад

    captain kirk/ ahab on his quest for justice/vengeance.

  • @ladylightning1741
    @ladylightning1741 11 месяцев назад

    Jim: What is this?
    Bones: I am offended! Can't two people visit their mutual friend at the same time without their motives being questioned?
    Spock: It's an intervention.

  • @combcomclrlsr
    @combcomclrlsr Год назад

    The actions of Kirk make more sense when it's understood that in the original script Kirk's parents were victims.

  • @sergioleone3583
    @sergioleone3583 5 месяцев назад

    Quintessential Star Trek. The likes of which have not been produced by the majors for over a quarter century.

  • @steelers6titles
    @steelers6titles Год назад

    Kirk, like Hamlet, finds it difficult to act, to make things right.

  • @jetuber
    @jetuber Год назад

    McCoy the most level-headed of the three, in this instance.

  • @stevekillgore9272
    @stevekillgore9272 3 года назад

    0:35 those ears ... never say the prosthesis so obvious before

  • @drobson8004
    @drobson8004 8 месяцев назад

    Kirk's code, as front and centre as it is, is also an integral part of what sets TOS apart. Less soecial effects, less makeup, more human beings being human beings.

  • @dwlopez57
    @dwlopez57 3 года назад +1

    Two plus two equals four.wish I'd known that on 5th grade