I liked 3.5 yes you play monstrous characters but you get a level handicap because your op if leveled contemporary to the rest of the party. 5E: what's a racial modifier?
@@badmojo0777 ever heard of the writing advice of "flaws make a character "? Now look at DND 1 where there's no differences just all "variant human" with the drapings of others.
@@badmojo0777 A better question would be why change anything at all when it was fine to begin with? What was wrong with depicting a fantasy race as blood-thirsty, war-hungry monsters?
It doesn't matter how queer you make the entertainment, that doesn't mean queer people are going to be interested in it. What about this are they not grasping?
Hasbro turned it into a hipster lifestyle brand. Just like Disney wants to turn StarWars into a girlboss brand. Both will crash and burn. And they deserve to lose ever bit of that money.
They're pandering to specifics, DnD was already open to anyone. I don't think this works, but whatever. Although as a business trying to get nonplayers interested is a good move, but not sure if it's effective. Nintendo did it during the Wii era
@@archabolt1446 Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii. The Wii was a fad that was dumped very quickly. Left to collect dust in the closet. After about two years, the system pretty much filtered out of being relevant.
Modern dnd art just looks like cosplay in san diego. It no longer looks and feels like medieval fantasy, in a dangerous world full of mystery, where so much of the world was trying to kill or use you. Its no longer influenced by history or mythology - now its influenced by modern day social media.
@@animeboys8328 ah come on, it's full of furries and demi humans- with side shave haircuts and steampunk and purple hair. Just look at the old art and compare to the new. Love it or hate it, it's vastly different.
@@genghisgahan9623 yeah I know that people are acting like the things are acting like these kinda things can’t fit when when dnd is already by nature meant to be a chose your own adventure story
I normally see Dungeons and Dragons as this: Create a World, Create your characters and then Make up everything else regardless of how brilliant or utterly stupid it is.
"DnD is a game for everyone. We want it to be inclusive and fun for everyone." "Okay ... I'm still a murder hobo. I just have a much much longer list of targets now."
@@cattrucker8257 Honestly would actually like a campaign like that. Having your "Hub area" being some sort of Fort/Dungeon/Village etc., that the goal is to build up over time.
As Gary himself once said: the big secret we don't want anyone to know is that they don't need us. All our books, all our rules, all our minis, all completely unnecessary. Ultimately, DnD is just selling a framework for collaborative story telling, something people absolutely do not need if they have the will and creativity to make it up themself.
Well said. I'm very much of the same sentiment and I'm a prospective tabletop writer. I intend to make my world a part of the overall cannon while entirely flipping D&D as it's currently known on its head. I think Gary would approve.
While the above is true. Dnd could be a gold mine. They could make a powerful game that allows dm easy access to screw around in a world planting monster and making duegons complete with kick ass graphics and easy to play classes in sweet console format. Think of Minecraft mixed with baulders gate 3 graphics. With a second front being an officials minature market complete with custom minis/ terrain. Warhammer perfectly shows their market for this. Then add in some kick ass books to help tell your adventures wrapped with a decent easy to use adventures that tie in. The vision of what dnd could be.
This is the woke equivalent of that. Everything hinges around "the message". They aren't making their ideology more appealing. They are ruining role-playing games.
Conflict is the backbone of drama. Look at those pictures. Relaxed, smiling, placid folk, just siting around. Baking, playing the lute, just standing there... Yeah. Really gives the idea of what the game is about. Even in 3rd Ed. you had the party hanging for dear life from rope ladders, as they fight an acid spiting black dragon amid dark, crumbling ruins. See the difference?
To be fair, I have seen other artwork from the book that is far more action oriented. This particular set of images could have very easily been very cherry-picked. That said, I would expect non-combat art to be stuff like socializing at a political dinner, or arguing with a merchant, or something that's still actually _active,_ not baking and lounging around. So even giving it the benefit of the doubt, it's still bad.
They're missing the point: Bad things have always existed in D&D, and all to the same point, that bad things exist so that the heroes can come in and stop it.
Orcs are the goblinoid race of peace! The Drow are oppressed by their surface-dwelling brethren! There is no objective good or evil and everything is morally-gray mush.
I had a player who insisted on playing handicapped. He shat all over his teammates, told them he didnt need them. He tried to solo an infernal. The infernal put him on a spit, roasted him and fed him to his hench orcs. Good times!
Do you remember when the San Diego Comic Con was for comic book fans, and not the elitists in the entertainment industry? That's when it started. Since then, they have taken everything you loved and decided they are the true gatekeepers of it, not the fans. And by God, you will take what they feed you, or else you're a "toxic fan." See, they didn't take these things for the sake of love, they took them to exploit your discretionary income. But along the way, they got bored with actually making money and decided the great unwashed needed to be "educated" instead.
I don't have any skin in the tabletop game. But I can answer who it's for: 40+ urban, upper-middle class, white, liberal women. Just like they did with video games, Star Wars, Dr. Who, etc. They turned it into, as Duckman once put it, a steady diet of innocuous, childproof, flavourless mush.
DnD nowadays appeal to people who loved Steven Universe or Life is Strange, which is why the fantasy is essentially a non-factor and you can feel the modern day oozing from every image.
@@sintanan469earlier 5E stuff is fine. At least the mechanics are and that's what I use. Though I borrow a bit from the eberron setting. (I love the concept of an advanced magic society that fell into a post apocalypse) But it really went downhill after 2019 or so.
cringe is cool! is fantasy. everyone else, its STILL cringe. and cringe isn't fun. the fantasy part is to play outside yourswlf into some characyer thats actually nom cringe. those developers still don't get it.
They soured the Milk of Fun with Wokeness to herd us back into the factory 9-9. No more Fun. For you see, having Fun means having Free Time and Imagination and that can lead to Revolutions.
The wheelchair completely pulled me out of it. If I'm confined in a wheelchair, why the F#%@ would I want to be confined to a wheelchair in my fantasy? Are raider camps, dungeons, ancient ruins, jungles required to be wheelchair accessible now? Spoilers, if all villains need to do to defeat a pesky adventurer is to nott install a ramp, well, shit, their ain't gonna be a ramp.
Who knows? Maybe you could have a monster truck for a wheel chair? [Laughs maniacally as you run over hordes of Orcs with your "Steed" named "Bone Muncher".]
"I cast Regeneration to heal your spine, and Greater Restoration to skip the months of physical therapy. You can stop virtue signaling now." - Cleric Players.
Oh wait... so in a way it is essentially just the people responsible for the whole "satanic panic" thing? Ultimately, they couldn't stop it, so they bought the IP in order to discontinue the production of "problematic" material and replace it with something more palatable to their ideologies, which are different now.
Reminds me when our DM was running a campaign, one of the guys brought their new boyfriend to the game to learn. They didn't want to leave the tavern because they wanted to pick up an elf boy. DM destroyed the tavern as a result of a brawl starting just so we could progress the game. The boyfriend spent the rest of the game whining and pouting that the tavern couldn't be restored by magic. Next session they showed up with 'their' new rules they wanted added to the game. Their partner even told them to get some more experience under their belt before trying to impose new rules and then they can be a DM. The game was a mess with more pouting, whining and a fight between the couple. We stopped our gaming sessions for a while after that.
They want to sell to D&D tourists who just want to play a campaign once and never play it again. It’s like the suburban hipster who says to their friends “hey guys, we should totally start a D&D campaign”, and then proceed to post about it a million times on Instagram to show the rest of their millennial friends how funny and quirky they are.
@@rakedos9057 WOTC swears up and down that people like that are the people that buy most of their stuff in DnD and Magic... Im pretty sure they are liars.
@@quietinsound8087 ugh. I feel like that guy rn cuz I can't get anyone I know to play with me so I can get more DM experience before trying to play with strangers.
It reeks if being ASTROTURFED into a "lifestyle brand" IN NAME ONLY, instead of ORGANICALLY GROWING into a lifestyle brand the way Lego, Batman, Spider-Man, and countless other IPs did.
This is why I will always say gatekeeping is not only necessary but a good thing. Tourists will destroy a hobby piece by piece by saying 'but it would be nice if you did this for me' until they've made everything for them and no one else.
@@KingZNIN wtf are you on about? You mean the fans that take what is given to them and love it? Rather than the tourists that think that putting their peanut butter in your chocolate is going to make things better but all the people that just like chocolate arent going to like it. Then we have the people that want to add marshmallows because that is their favorite or nuts or other things. GTFO of here you woke shill.
The corporate version of colonialism.. "oh is this your culture? That won't do, we need to impose our thinking to make you acceptable... Oh are we selling off anything of value you had and forcing you to take me up our culture, until you have no culture of your own?"
The warrior on the red box is a man. 1) the original artist has said he drew a man. 2) they released an action figure a long time ago, it was a bearded bro. 3) it was the '80s... The warrior women wore chainmail bikinis, not full armor.
@@dm_dude yes it is warranted, not because the character was iconic or beloved, but because it is a clear indication that they are rewriting history. Retcons should be shunned. Culture should be protected.
@@DH-xw6jp mhm, yeah. Okay. Maybe I just don’t care enough for that warrior. But that is valid point. Maybe we shouldn’t retcon stuff, but also we are in a different age now. When new stuff is created, like the art in the phb, we all should be more accepting I think.
@@dm_dude I'll be more accepting the moment they stop being racist to white people and stop disrespecting the franchises I grew up with. Till then they can go bankrupt.
I played D&D with friends as a teen in the 1980s on into the 90s. The original rules, dice tables, modules, & other supplements will always be out there. These woke hijackers can never corrupt the old rules
you can play the game at your table any way you chose so the REAL quesiton is why does it bother you? you cna make ASNY race evil for example, they jsut arent going to force that concept, no big deal, unless youre a right wing nutbag looking to confirm your bullshit
I’m honestly getting into Palladium Fantasy myself. Second edition came out in the 90s and Kevin stuck with it until now. It’s taken quite a while but the conversion to second edition for one of the sourcebooks (with additional content iirc) is coming out soonish. I will openly admit that all of Palladium’s games are hard to grok, but that’s because the layout is really bad. But once you understand the mechanics it’s actually a really good game.
@@barrybend7189 I have an entire book cabinet full of Pathfinder 1E content (Which is more like streamlined D&D 3rd edition, as it is 99% the same). It's pretty great! Its adventure paths do have the occasional hot lesbian couple, and female commanders, but overall it is more Liberitarian than leftist, as it also shows more conservative viewpoints and their validation. One Pathfinder Society adventure I once joined even had a few religious priests being attacked by extremist atheists. It still felt like D&D, as if they also wanted to make content for Conservatives, and with alignment put some effort into showing different sides on a delicate problem without invalidating one of them. Hence why I saved all those adventure paths and other Pathfinder content.
Dungeon Master: The Orc has just mis-gendered you. Roll for a saving throw Player: Damn! I rolled a 1! Dungeon Master: Critical miss! You take 12D+6 emotional damage!
It's for queer theory enthusiast and feminist. All pride art depicts these utopian stock photo type scenerios where everyone is just grinning in glee all the time. I've literally become a master at identifying art created by women and gay dudes. All of it has these super happy perfect scenerios. Bright colors with lots of purple, pink, or green. Stock image uncannyness to the art.
It would be one thing if they made their own shit and left us alone to make ours. But nope. Anything we like gets bashed as "bigoted, sexist, insert numerous overused ists and phobes here" and then ruined, or cancelled. But they can shove their degeneracy anywhere, even in the face of backlash from the real fanbases. It's all rather vomit inducing.
As a bisexual I hate overly aggressive pushing for DEI and such. I firmly believe that stuffing LGBT characters into every page and propping them up constantly has done more to erode LGBT acceptance than any genuinely homophobic propaganda could have hoped for. That being said, I also belive instead of moving hobbies the right answer is to play by older editions and with lore changes that are clearly DEI in nature to just flat out treat them as non-canon.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Until 2015-2016, when it all started, all these people of non-traditional orientation caused me either an indifferent reaction (what difference does it make what people do in their bedrooms) or a joking reaction (gay is funny). And after all this imposition, gays and trans people at best cause in me woke paranoia.
@@shade38211 people that wear animal suits and sexy bdsm alike stuff while they are not sexy at all, on contrary they have big unshaved belly - basically pirates ... in times where there nothing to raid, so they ask to let them into school's to be near kids
@@totomen666 the people that wear Harley Davidson shirts, jackets, hats, boots, gloves, and have HD wallets, mugs, glasses, wall art, keychains, bumper stickers, beer kozies.... But don't actually ride a motorcycle.
The problem is not that geeks have taken over the world. The problem is that we seem to have dragged every other marginally disenfranchised subset of humanity along with us, and now it's not just uncool to be even kinda sorta "normal" - it's becoming increasingly criminal. Are we responsible for our own demise? #WakeUpFromWoke
“I don’t blame Matt Mercer” - maybe you should. With his pandering as well and the whole “cast” being “woke”. Gender confusions, epic wheelchair warriors, asking GRASS for consent, pronoun bs, and etc. Critical Role, the cast and Mercer are all complicit and share some blame.
@@n4ughty_knight pronouns have only been based and chadly exactly _one_ time in history. Oog: Me stronk like oak! Stronkest in clan! Me the clan-tree! Ug: Me identify as rock. *Bashes Oog's head in with a rock.* Its been all downhill since.
I hate this comment so much. Gave me ptsd to those nasty shows where moms turn their daughters to 'models' for weirdo judges to rate in hopes they win a crown.😂
@@watchmehope6560 Or that scene in "A Christmas Story" where the boy's aunt gave him that pink bunny suit. She got it because *she* liked it, not because he liked it.
@@watchmehope6560 You mean a pageant where the girls like to feel pretty and the moms get a little to invested in? That's not weird unless you make it out to be. Jeebus what's wrong with the world now?
I started playing D&D in 1988, when my older brother and his friend picked up the Ravenloft module. I haven't actually spent any money on Wizards products in a long time, but I still enjoy playing the same game. This game can still be what you want it to be at your table and there's no need to waste a single dollar on any Hasbro subsidiary.
I live in central Oregon. You don’t have to apologize for Portland jokes. We have a tv show that makes fun of the whole Portland culture so you’re good.
It used to be a power fantasy choose-your-own-adventure for nerds. Now it's for gay dwarves that'd rather be baking than dungeon delving. Well, outside the bedroom.
Hey! Someone else who gets it- that's why in my settings, the Orcs are green Romans. Only their legions have better integration of cavalary and archers.
Board games, comic books, TV shows, movies... This is what happens when modern creatives take charge of a respected brand with nothing but contempt and disregard for the legacy and its fans.
After promising nerds and social outcasts that taking DND would be a good thing, Wizards has turned the whole game over to the Tumblr crowd while forcing out the original fan base. You see, you still get to be the social outcast, but now you don't get to play DND.
@@lilshawty2605 If representation wasn't necessary to enjoy the game, why are the cis white boys so mad they they aren't exclusively represented anymore?
Everyone has always been welcome in DND. There was no need to make it 'more diverse'. If you ever felt DND wasn't for you because of "representation", then your imagination was utter shite. The product is now being made for people that wont even buy the product. 2 words: Abandon Ship
Lack of imagination would explain a lot. Like being unable to relate to or "identify with" any character that isn't exactly what you are. I always related to characters like Samwise Gamgee and Luke Skywalker. I liked to identify with Mulan when I was a kid. Not one character I've loved was a straight white cis woman with autism and depression. A character like that could be interesting, but it's not escapism if it's me.
I run 5e at the local community center, and my table is a hard R 80s sword and sorcery game. The shock value on the 20somethings whose first exposure to DnD was Stranger Things or Critical Role is priceless.
Maybe being all inclusive isn't such a good thing after all... because now they don't know who to market their product to. Dungeons and Dragons was always meant to be about grand adventures. What kind of adventures can you have with this?
Probably running revenge campaigns against people who they felt slighted them in real life like the person that didn't want to go to prom with them in highschool or their 'evil' landlord
@@Tony_409 Or their boss who didn't promote them directly to a six-figure salary when they're working at Starbucks, or their dad who doesn't use their preferred pronouns when speaking to them, or the straight men who won't date them because they're straight men. There's a long, long list of targets for petty revenge, and that's about all they really have to get them up in the morning.
Being INCLUSIVE is a bad thing. It inherently implies you're willing to make changes to whatever your product is to appeal to people your product doesn't appeal to. Like imagine if you make a really good hand cream, but you change the formula so it also works on feet, making it worse for your hands, so you can appeal to people that don't have hands, so you can be inclusive. If you create a product and there are certain people it doesn't appeal to, don't fucking change your product unless it's FAILING. It's appealing to NOBODY that would be a problem, if you're doing well in the hand cream market, fuck foot cream, you're not sellin that. DnD is the same, they keep fucking with the formula to encompass other shit, that it's getting worse and worse at the thing it's SUPPOSED to be doing.
"Aquired" is a nice way to say stolen. This is coming from the same group of people that think you shouldn't defend your physical property either, as it's being stolen.
@@RogueFox2185 who pirate everything, anyways, because "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", and who only comprise a relatively small percentage of the population. Now, THAT'S smart business practice, WOTC! lulz.
Not every table is for every person. I am an old head and still believe that not all kinds of characters belong at the table. I will ask people to leave and encourage people to leave if the table I run is not for them.
Exactly. Just like the bouncer at a club, you let in the people who are there to have fun and enjoy the hobbies and you keep out the people who want to change and destroy the hobbies.
They did it to warhammer recently. Didn't make a new game just said the custodes were always women.. fuckin lazy retcon. Not even add to the lore just take from the old and make it lame. Then call you an ist when you point to 30 odd years of lore and published works pointing out otherwise.
I am a gay man, and I prefer the old style, I don't need to see gay people inserted into every story to relate to it, I relate to it by the story and if I am entertained or not. The problem with pandering to a certain audience is that they WILL NEVER BE HAPPY. It will never be enough for them, no matter how many changes the company makes, they will find something to complain about, something that isn't inclusive enough, or find some slight or offense. Stop appealing to the woke mob and make a good game. If someone is offended by it, oh well, that's life.
I grew up in the 80's playing D&D. It was my escape, from high school, my parents, and all things in general. D&D was the greatest game ever! It was a game where friends could gather around a table and create our own adventures and stories and be the hero of our own story. After high school, I joined the Military, traveled the world, fought in war and D&D was with me every step of the way. I have many fond memories, many great adventures and stories. Wizards killed D&D and all the fun, all the adventure, to cater to a demographic that does not support or buy their products, much less play, just to push; "The agenda." I don't know anyone who plays D&D anymore. A sad commentary of such a great game
I dont think this mortal world realizes just how terrifying its going to be when and if the Nerdom gathers its forces and fight (quite literally) for all the geeky things that's been stolen from them. DnD, comic books, video games, movies, books in general, tabletop gaming, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who....THE LIST STILL GOES ON!
DnD lost the "Matt Mercer hype". Now when the dust settled the only ones who left are the people that are trully into RPGs. Including the new crowd - If CR was the reason they got into RPGs, thats great. The point is that we are past the expansion phase and playerbase is shrinking until we reach the plateau. I have ~20 books from current edition and I'm good. Probably forever. If anything - I will sell most of them. Thats the problem for WotC. They hate the idea of infinite ownership and paying for the product once per lifetime. Thus the need for pushing virtual table top. They hope to run the usual scam of microtransaction. Also they are much more in control of the content versus zero control of whats going on at our tables.
If you think the Red Box is the gold standard for getting into rpgs (and I got in using it too), you should definitely check the Dragonbane boxed set. Now that’s gold standard.
I love 2nd ed AD&D! I didn't like everything about it (like ThAC0), but they put so much heart and soul into it and gave you so much for your money. The Complete 's Handbooks, the extra splatbooks on all kinds of topics, and the fact that they didn't impress a style of play or demand you play their way...
This version of D&D is for the lazy DM who can't take the rule set and tailor it to their needs. Or its for the social warrior to hold up and say they finally won the war of ruining somebodies fun. I've been on Pathfinder since the day it started. I'd never go back to WOTC vision of D&D.
D&D gives powers based on backstory. It's for fired Hollywood types that can no longer get their self-inserts into regular entertainment. It's for the "modern audience". Me, I'll just stick with 3.5e or so. If that.
In 2018 we played our last 1st Edition AD&D game. We switched to 5th edition. This was so we could play at conventions again. We have played 5th for 6 years. Only two people in the group purchased Players Handbook, DMG, and Monster Manual. My son got me Xander’s Guide for my birthday. My daughter bought me some cool dice. And that is it. We can keep playing 5th until we don’t want to too. But they are not getting any more money out of us. I’m currently working on converting the 3rd edition Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. I have books and models from 1st, 2nd, and 3rd edition. The only 5th model I have it the Saltmarsh, because we played that thing to death in 1st edition. Figured it would be a good conversion learning lesson. I used to run Adventure League at a games shop but have stopped. WotC have killer Adventure League modules. So, I was having to deal with the ever changing rules from D&D Beyond. So, I’ve semi retired from DMing at the game shop. I still have my home game and that is enough for me and my friends.
A battle wheel chair. God, that’s so stupid. That’s like me, an overweight man in his late 50s. Someone that looks like me is the LAST type of character I would want to play in D&D. This “look MA! Me too!” mentality is just moronic.
The quest is to file lawsuits in order to make ableist Bad Guys make wheelchair-accessible dungeons.. "I cast ... Social Media Campaign using my Staff of Righteous Indignation. My character is a hexadeximal-gendered, multi-hue, unemployed, quadriplegic, trauma survivor with non-understanding parents, giving me +8 on my victim bonus!"
@@bejammin2000 Initially my plan was to review the latest edition and include what I thought was interesting. Now I'm thinking we're going to stay a strict 5e (2014) table. Though I have to admit, DC20 is looking really, really interesting.
@@bejammin2000 The battle wheelchair is supposed to be a virtue signal to foster inclusion of disabled people. I've never needed it before to include such people. Besides that, someone who is wheelchair bound might want a walking or even flying character, not...a wheeelchair bound one... It's like labels and groups, "you are x? you must pair up with x stereotype". Well, reality tells us that diversity doesn't require labels or stereotypes.
Apparently, it's made for a very very niche group of people. I think this group of people are those who existed on Tumblr and then later Twitter before it became X.
Women. The answer is women. And it has been since the end of version 3.5. I run Pathfinder and without fail, every DnD 5e player is basically a theater kid as a 35 year old adult. It’s not a game to them, it’s an acting opportunity.
@@redcat9436 firstly, they don’t see it that way. Because of Critical Roll and stuff like that, they think of it as acting with a game attached, kinda sorta. I’ve heard numerous times how “rules are restrictive to imagination”, which is what bratty children say. And then secondly, regular people suck at acting, especially improving. It’s not cute, it’s not clever, it’s just cringe. Play the game, act a little for flavor but know your limits and stop using other people’s time to feed your ego with delusions of being the next Matt Mercer.
I just saw a “meme” where the DM congratulates players for not using violence during the session. Said “who the F does that?” Open RUclips and this shows up. These losers are proving that tolerance was a mistake and we need to bring back bullying
Puking at the last Orc illustration for D&D 2024. First for the stupid attempt to response to the blind racists saying Orcs are black men, and Second for picturing a race of raiders like gardeners. Next will be Drows, I'm sure of it. WoTC will erase all the evil in the fictional world. There will be no need to go in an adventure and save the world.
THAC0 was a mess and a horror to understand for newcomers but i would begin to miss it if i had to play their latest edition. By pure luck, i have enough old material for the rest of my lifetime and i won't need to buy their crap.
Love how normal it's become to accept the phrase and ideology of "it's inclusive to get rid of XYZ" If inclusivity is designed to be exclusive, then it is not - by definition - inclusive.
I started back in the late 80's gamed all through the 90's, then life happened and the group had other things that took up our time. I few years back I looked for a table but nothing was recognizable any longer. Oh well, good memories at least.
I had the one with Earl Otis' art on the cover. It was difficult to understand because I had never heard of a role playing game before. I didn't quite get it. It took me and my friends playing together to figure it out. And it bonded us and kept us busy from eighth grade onward.
" we changed monstrous races to make POC more comfortable" they may really want to rethink that position
I liked 3.5 yes you play monstrous characters but you get a level handicap because your op if leveled contemporary to the rest of the party.
5E: what's a racial modifier?
@@badmojo0777Careful with that gaslighting.😂
@@badmojo0777 ever heard of the writing advice of "flaws make a character "? Now look at DND 1 where there's no differences just all "variant human" with the drapings of others.
@@badmojo0777 A better question would be why change anything at all when it was fine to begin with? What was wrong with depicting a fantasy race as blood-thirsty, war-hungry monsters?
@@badmojo0777why did it bother you enough to change it in the first place?
It doesn't matter how queer you make the entertainment, that doesn't mean queer people are going to be interested in it.
What about this are they not grasping?
Because its not for them, just people who want to be seen as supporting queer people
It's not about them, it's about capturing or destroying every cultural institution.
That sweet ESG money, bro
Queer media will never have mainstream appeal no matter how much they try and they know it.
"Queering" has nothing to do with what queer people want, and everything to do what ideologues in academia tell queer people to want.
Hasbro turned it into a hipster lifestyle brand. Just like Disney wants to turn StarWars into a girlboss brand. Both will crash and burn. And they deserve to lose ever bit of that money.
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They're pandering to specifics, DnD was already open to anyone. I don't think this works, but whatever. Although as a business trying to get nonplayers interested is a good move, but not sure if it's effective.
Nintendo did it during the Wii era
Not just non players, but NPCs. The brand has gone from heroic fantasy to the Bakers in the background for the NPCs to insert themselves in.
@@archabolt1446 Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii. The Wii was a fad that was dumped very quickly. Left to collect dust in the closet. After about two years, the system pretty much filtered out of being relevant.
I'm a hipster and even I don't want to touch this garbage.
Modern dnd art just looks like cosplay in san diego.
It no longer looks and feels like medieval fantasy, in a dangerous world full of mystery, where so much of the world was trying to kill or use you.
Its no longer influenced by history or mythology - now its influenced by modern day social media.
That's literally not true
You’re huffing paint 💀
@@animeboys8328 ah come on, it's full of furries and demi humans- with side shave haircuts and steampunk and purple hair.
Just look at the old art and compare to the new.
Love it or hate it, it's vastly different.
@@genghisgahan9623 yeah I know that people are acting like the things are acting like these kinda things can’t fit when when dnd is already by nature meant to be a chose your own adventure story
DnD5e are just the rules, you can make whatever you want with it. You can play Dark Fantasy or even Cyberpunk with the DnD5e rules.
Step 1 - "It's not FOR you!" Step 2 - "WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY OUR PRODUCT?"
Every damn time lol
Nailed it.
I normally see Dungeons and Dragons as this: Create a World, Create your characters and then Make up everything else regardless of how brilliant or utterly stupid it is.
That's the exact point of roleplay to begin with
Yup! Like for my setting, the dwarves could be a straight couple since dwarves have almost no sexual dimorphism.
@@SilverScribe85 Roleplayers, yes, NPCs was not an inaccurate pejorative
RuneScape did this.
Dungeons and Dragons is only as fun as the people playing are
“Who the f*** is D&D for?” Gay hipster baristas from Portland? 🤔
It's not for paying customers anymore, that's for sure.
It’s for posers.
Maine or Oregon?
Why not both?@@wesmcinerny4524
their wife's boyfriend?
"DnD is a game for everyone. We want it to be inclusive and fun for everyone."
"Okay ... I'm still a murder hobo. I just have a much much longer list of targets now."
That actually sounds fun Lmao
@@specimenlarry6068 D&D gradually becoming first-person Dungeon Keeper
Sign me up for that campaign! Let me get my Bastard Sword.
@@V2011FI'll start sharpening my Sonuvabitch sword. It's vorpal.
@@cattrucker8257 Honestly would actually like a campaign like that. Having your "Hub area" being some sort of Fort/Dungeon/Village etc., that the goal is to build up over time.
As Gary himself once said: the big secret we don't want anyone to know is that they don't need us. All our books, all our rules, all our minis, all completely unnecessary. Ultimately, DnD is just selling a framework for collaborative story telling, something people absolutely do not need if they have the will and creativity to make it up themself.
Well said. I'm very much of the same sentiment and I'm a prospective tabletop writer. I intend to make my world a part of the overall cannon while entirely flipping D&D as it's currently known on its head. I think Gary would approve.
no, not story telling. ROLE PLAYING
Paper, writing implement, and some dice help...but yes don't need a damn thing.
While the above is true. Dnd could be a gold mine. They could make a powerful game that allows dm easy access to screw around in a world planting monster and making duegons complete with kick ass graphics and easy to play classes in sweet console format.
Think of Minecraft mixed with baulders gate 3 graphics.
With a second front being an officials minature market complete with custom minis/ terrain. Warhammer perfectly shows their market for this. Then add in some kick ass books to help tell your adventures wrapped with a decent easy to use adventures that tie in. The vision of what dnd could be.
Even jehovahs witness literature isn't THAT cringey
At this point, Jack Chick tracts are not as cringy as OneDnD.
This is the woke equivalent of that. Everything hinges around "the message".
They aren't making their ideology more appealing. They are ruining role-playing games.
The Jehovah’s Witness creation story reminds me of Record of Ragnarok, NGL
i'd go back to them if it means im not forced to read this trash
As a straight white male I left as soon as they told me to.
Me too, it is important to look for consent when giving away money.
I hear ya bro. Been playing the older rules for quite a while now. Not really planning on buying any of the new stuff.
No, we should have said; "Fuck you, we're not going, you're going..."
I hope you didn't drop any coins off that wagon of cash you were willing to part with as you left.
@@Gangrel442003 I often regret not gate keeping harder.
Conflict is the backbone of drama.
Look at those pictures.
Relaxed, smiling, placid folk, just siting around.
Baking, playing the lute, just standing there...
Yeah.
Really gives the idea of what the game is about.
Even in 3rd Ed. you had the party hanging for dear life from rope ladders, as they fight an acid spiting black dragon amid dark, crumbling ruins.
See the difference?
in other words.....
BOOORRIIINNNG
3.5/PF1 was the last of D&D. Then things got twisted exactly the way you're describing for DND 5e and PF2.
So its for people to awkward to actually go to Ren Fair?
To be fair, I have seen other artwork from the book that is far more action oriented. This particular set of images could have very easily been very cherry-picked.
That said, I would expect non-combat art to be stuff like socializing at a political dinner, or arguing with a merchant, or something that's still actually _active,_ not baking and lounging around. So even giving it the benefit of the doubt, it's still bad.
@@David-id6jwcope
They're missing the point: Bad things have always existed in D&D, and all to the same point, that bad things exist so that the heroes can come in and stop it.
Orcs are the goblinoid race of peace! The Drow are oppressed by their surface-dwelling brethren!
There is no objective good or evil and everything is morally-gray mush.
(Protip: they want everything to be morally-gray mush in fiction because it's clear where they stand on the good/evil dichotomy in real life.)
Is it really so bad if so many ask for it?
Nobody asked for this. It's in their heads.
There's bad idea: cringe
And then there's bad idea: malice toward audience
I had a player who insisted on playing handicapped. He shat all over his teammates, told them he didnt need them.
He tried to solo an infernal.
The infernal put him on a spit, roasted him and fed him to his hench orcs.
Good times!
Do you remember when the San Diego Comic Con was for comic book fans, and not the elitists in the entertainment industry? That's when it started. Since then, they have taken everything you loved and decided they are the true gatekeepers of it, not the fans. And by God, you will take what they feed you, or else you're a "toxic fan." See, they didn't take these things for the sake of love, they took them to exploit your discretionary income. But along the way, they got bored with actually making money and decided the great unwashed needed to be "educated" instead.
I don't have any skin in the tabletop game. But I can answer who it's for: 40+ urban, upper-middle class, white, liberal women. Just like they did with video games, Star Wars, Dr. Who, etc. They turned it into, as Duckman once put it, a steady diet of innocuous, childproof, flavourless mush.
They have no talent and they ruin everything. It's been all downhill since the 19th amendment.
These people aren't known for making things childproof, they make things to sexualize and push perversion on minors.
you forgot the american adjective
@fredEVOIX it's only happening in America because they want to destroy America.
It's also for people who can't figure out what constitutes a boy or a girl.
DnD nowadays appeal to people who loved Steven Universe or Life is Strange, which is why the fantasy is essentially a non-factor and you can feel the modern day oozing from every image.
If I wanted DnD in modern style I'd play D20 modern.
They only play ipad 😵💫
WotC already did modern day D&D in 5e. Magic school, prom, and players getting jobs as baristas in their downtime between wizard classes.
Modernity is a form of fantasy if you think about it.
@@sintanan469earlier 5E stuff is fine. At least the mechanics are and that's what I use. Though I borrow a bit from the eberron setting. (I love the concept of an advanced magic society that fell into a post apocalypse) But it really went downhill after 2019 or so.
Its for them now, not us.
They literally took what we loved away and laughed in our faces while ruining it
Ehm, I 🤔 think it's for US.
DARTH JOURNALIST, don't play AD&D 🫠
cringe is cool! is fantasy.
everyone else, its STILL cringe. and cringe isn't fun.
the fantasy part is to play outside yourswlf into some characyer thats actually nom cringe.
those developers still don't get it.
They soured the Milk of Fun with Wokeness to herd us back into the factory 9-9. No more Fun. For you see, having Fun means having Free Time and Imagination and that can lead to Revolutions.
Let them take it to the bank.
Just like how Disney Channel is only for girls.
"Make it lame and gay!!!"
The wheelchair completely pulled me out of it. If I'm confined in a wheelchair, why the F#%@ would I want to be confined to a wheelchair in my fantasy? Are raider camps, dungeons, ancient ruins, jungles required to be wheelchair accessible now? Spoilers, if all villains need to do to defeat a pesky adventurer is to nott install a ramp, well, shit, their ain't gonna be a ramp.
Who knows? Maybe you could have a monster truck for a wheel chair?
[Laughs maniacally as you run over hordes of Orcs with your "Steed" named "Bone Muncher".]
"I cast Regeneration to heal your spine, and Greater Restoration to skip the months of physical therapy. You can stop virtue signaling now." - Cleric Players.
"The modern audience."
Funny how nobody seems to know who they are or when these people will start to spend money on all these things made for them.
Where is this _moredeath audience_ they don't buy anything !!! 😂
Never, they are all broke.
*Modern audience* = doesn’t exist.
@@DieselRamcharger All that hair dye has to cost a fortune.
They are hoping that after you become demoralized enough, you'll just give up your principles and conform.
The beards on those Dwarves breaks OSHA code because their hair could contaminate the food.
Probably a fire hazard, too.
@@Msoulwing Maybe not considering how many of them still have beards in the forge.
It's fine, OSHA is a lesbian star wars incest twin now, so don't even worry about it.
Surprised they didn't have them wearing N95 masks
If you’re eating dwarf bread, you’re doing dwarf bread wrong.
It's not about who it is for, but who it is not for.
They want to scare their original audience away.
Lower the popularity, higher the ESG profitability
Oh wait... so in a way it is essentially just the people responsible for the whole "satanic panic" thing? Ultimately, they couldn't stop it, so they bought the IP in order to discontinue the production of "problematic" material and replace it with something more palatable to their ideologies, which are different now.
This is definitely part of it. They just hate the idea of straight white men being a core demographic
Mission accomplished
Darksun was probably one of the most brutal sets from AD&D 2ed.
Reminds me when our DM was running a campaign, one of the guys brought their new boyfriend to the game to learn. They didn't want to leave the tavern because they wanted to pick up an elf boy. DM destroyed the tavern as a result of a brawl starting just so we could progress the game. The boyfriend spent the rest of the game whining and pouting that the tavern couldn't be restored by magic.
Next session they showed up with 'their' new rules they wanted added to the game. Their partner even told them to get some more experience under their belt before trying to impose new rules and then they can be a DM. The game was a mess with more pouting, whining and a fight between the couple. We stopped our gaming sessions for a while after that.
The gheys trying to make everything about cornholing something?
That never happens
Relationships have killed almost every table I've ever been a part of.
They want to sell to D&D tourists who just want to play a campaign once and never play it again. It’s like the suburban hipster who says to their friends “hey guys, we should totally start a D&D campaign”, and then proceed to post about it a million times on Instagram to show the rest of their millennial friends how funny and quirky they are.
Who also put the books and box on their shelves so they can show their friends they are hip even though they will never play it again.
Which must be way less than 10% of the actual customers.
@@rakedos9057 WOTC swears up and down that people like that are the people that buy most of their stuff in DnD and Magic... Im pretty sure they are liars.
@@quietinsound8087 ugh. I feel like that guy rn cuz I can't get anyone I know to play with me so I can get more DM experience before trying to play with strangers.
This reeks of it being turned into a LIFESTYLE BRAND.
They literally want that. They've said as much.
They have gone full Harley Davidson.
too late
they are already making clothing and other stuff for normies that don't know what any of D&D is
It reeks if being ASTROTURFED into a "lifestyle brand" IN NAME ONLY, instead of ORGANICALLY GROWING into a lifestyle brand the way Lego, Batman, Spider-Man, and countless other IPs did.
Answer:
*It’s for no one. They can’t get anything right so it’s all made up with no direction that makes any sense whatsoever*
No I am pretty sure it's for gay race communists....
Very bold statement
This is why I will always say gatekeeping is not only necessary but a good thing.
Tourists will destroy a hobby piece by piece by saying 'but it would be nice if you did this for me' until they've made everything for them and no one else.
Like what you guys do
@@KingZNINsomething they change to make for everyone ends up becoming something for no one. A lot of niche’s die or rebrand like this.
@@KingZNIN wtf are you on about? You mean the fans that take what is given to them and love it? Rather than the tourists that think that putting their peanut butter in your chocolate is going to make things better but all the people that just like chocolate arent going to like it. Then we have the people that want to add marshmallows because that is their favorite or nuts or other things. GTFO of here you woke shill.
The corporate version of colonialism.. "oh is this your culture? That won't do, we need to impose our thinking to make you acceptable... Oh are we selling off anything of value you had and forcing you to take me up our culture, until you have no culture of your own?"
The warrior on the red box is a man.
1) the original artist has said he drew a man.
2) they released an action figure a long time ago, it was a bearded bro.
3) it was the '80s... The warrior women wore chainmail bikinis, not full armor.
Do we really care that much about it? Was the back of this one character such an icon that this big a wave is warranted?
@@dm_dude yes it is warranted, not because the character was iconic or beloved, but because it is a clear indication that they are rewriting history.
Retcons should be shunned. Culture should be protected.
@@DH-xw6jp mhm, yeah. Okay. Maybe I just don’t care enough for that warrior. But that is valid point. Maybe we shouldn’t retcon stuff, but also we are in a different age now. When new stuff is created, like the art in the phb, we all should be more accepting I think.
@@dm_dude I'll be more accepting the moment they stop being racist to white people and stop disrespecting the franchises I grew up with. Till then they can go bankrupt.
@@dm_dude Found the audience Sensitive D&D's appealing to.
I played D&D with friends as a teen in the 1980s on into the 90s. The original rules, dice tables, modules, & other supplements will always be out there. These woke hijackers can never corrupt the old rules
I have an entire collection of 3rd edition in PDF form. Preserved from the Trove. I don't need 5e or newer.
you can play the game at your table any way you chose so the REAL quesiton is why does it bother you? you cna make ASNY race evil for example, they jsut arent going to force that concept, no big deal, unless youre a right wing nutbag looking to confirm your bullshit
Print or buy these old books, and preserve them for future generations.
I’m honestly getting into Palladium Fantasy myself. Second edition came out in the 90s and Kevin stuck with it until now. It’s taken quite a while but the conversion to second edition for one of the sourcebooks (with additional content iirc) is coming out soonish.
I will openly admit that all of Palladium’s games are hard to grok, but that’s because the layout is really bad. But once you understand the mechanics it’s actually a really good game.
@@barrybend7189 I have an entire book cabinet full of Pathfinder 1E content (Which is more like streamlined D&D 3rd edition, as it is 99% the same). It's pretty great! Its adventure paths do have the occasional hot lesbian couple, and female commanders, but overall it is more Liberitarian than leftist, as it also shows more conservative viewpoints and their validation. One Pathfinder Society adventure I once joined even had a few religious priests being attacked by extremist atheists. It still felt like D&D, as if they also wanted to make content for Conservatives, and with alignment put some effort into showing different sides on a delicate problem without invalidating one of them. Hence why I saved all those adventure paths and other Pathfinder content.
Dungeon Master: The Orc has just mis-gendered you. Roll for a saving throw
Player: Damn! I rolled a 1!
Dungeon Master: Critical miss! You take 12D+6 emotional damage!
I use my Luck point, my 1 now identifies as a 20.
Psychic damage
@@owenblount7334 emotional_damage.gif
Love this. Spot on.
Better cast safe space
Then: "Stop gatekeeping, be inclusive!!"
Now: "It's not _for_ you."
It's for queer theory enthusiast and feminist. All pride art depicts these utopian stock photo type scenerios where everyone is just grinning in glee all the time. I've literally become a master at identifying art created by women and gay dudes. All of it has these super happy perfect scenerios. Bright colors with lots of purple, pink, or green. Stock image uncannyness to the art.
The best thing about D&D is you can ignore all the new books and play Pathfinder
Pathfinder is just as bad, they are just behind wizards.
Bro pozzfinder was woke from day 1. Wtf are you talking about
@@icetroll00 fine. Then play D&D ver 3
@@Gaz4113 why? Because it has a halfling with a bastard sword on the cover?
@@therealtijuanaman nah, I'm playing OSR
i just dont get why 'everything' has to be gay or at the very least pussified now
What about all this “femspeaking” in EVERYTHING including the MILITARY?
Because women and effeminate men are in charge now.
That's wrongspeak
To bring women into the hobby. Boys play army and war games naturally, girls play dolls and house naturally
It would be one thing if they made their own shit and left us alone to make ours. But nope. Anything we like gets bashed as "bigoted, sexist, insert numerous overused ists and phobes here" and then ruined, or cancelled. But they can shove their degeneracy anywhere, even in the face of backlash from the real fanbases.
It's all rather vomit inducing.
when it's "for everyone" it's not for anyone
Just like most "entertainment" now.
As a bisexual I hate overly aggressive pushing for DEI and such. I firmly believe that stuffing LGBT characters into every page and propping them up constantly has done more to erode LGBT acceptance than any genuinely homophobic propaganda could have hoped for. That being said, I also belive instead of moving hobbies the right answer is to play by older editions and with lore changes that are clearly DEI in nature to just flat out treat them as non-canon.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Until 2015-2016, when it all started, all these people of non-traditional orientation caused me either an indifferent reaction (what difference does it make what people do in their bedrooms) or a joking reaction (gay is funny). And after all this imposition, gays and trans people at best cause in me woke paranoia.
The Dwarf Barista pic looks like marketing art for the next big Mama's Kitchen DnD Edition mobile game.
We'll always have 2nd Edition. Don't despair. It was created back when our culture was still clean and sane.
2nd Edition is Best Edition.
@@MSinistrariYou're goddamn right.
And D&D B/X Moldvay for those who don't like TAC0.
3.0 and 3.5 are still mostly safe and dry as well,
@@rakedos9057 THAC0 - To Hit Armor Class 0
The minute you hear the phrase "lifestyle brand" you know exactly who's it for.
People that wear prom dresses when it’s not prom?
@@shade38211 people that wear animal suits and sexy bdsm alike stuff while they are not sexy at all, on contrary they have big unshaved belly - basically pirates ... in times where there nothing to raid, so they ask to let them into school's to be near kids
@@totomen666 the people that wear Harley Davidson shirts, jackets, hats, boots, gloves, and have HD wallets, mugs, glasses, wall art, keychains, bumper stickers, beer kozies....
But don't actually ride a motorcycle.
@@DH-xw6jpAffliction t-shirts
It's now for the assholes who made fun of us for liking this stuff in school.
The problem is not that geeks have taken over the world. The problem is that we seem to have dragged every other marginally disenfranchised subset of humanity along with us, and now it's not just uncool to be even kinda sorta "normal" - it's becoming increasingly criminal.
Are we responsible for our own demise? #WakeUpFromWoke
“I don’t blame Matt Mercer” - maybe you should. With his pandering as well and the whole “cast” being “woke”. Gender confusions, epic wheelchair warriors, asking GRASS for consent, pronoun bs, and etc. Critical Role, the cast and Mercer are all complicit and share some blame.
I'm going to mow my lawn with contempt, telling it I don't care what you want while calling it gravel.
didn't realize it was that cringe... gosh the reasons to hate critical roll multiply daily
Instead of Feats, Skills and Ability Scores; it's going to be Pronouns, Mental Illnesses and Generational Traumas.
Join me in Zombicide
Nah, thats next edition. This edition has a Privilege stat, and people haven't found it problematic yet. Give it til tuesday.
You'll also have a victimhood score, if it's high enough you can turn the favor of the crowd to your side and randomly receive "reparations" from NPCs
You mean "neo-pronouns"
@@n4ughty_knight pronouns have only been based and chadly exactly _one_ time in history.
Oog: Me stronk like oak! Stronkest in clan! Me the clan-tree!
Ug: Me identify as rock.
*Bashes Oog's head in with a rock.*
Its been all downhill since.
Man. Kneon sounds so lifeless talking about this nonsense. He's watching so many things he loved burn down in real time. 😢
I'm 59 tomorrow and that's certainly how I feel.
Same. I'm 53 and been around since red box and first edition.😢
aren't we all
@@marcogenovesi8570 Fair point, man.
This is like that great aunt who bought high heels for her 3 y/o niece; it was a gift for herself while pretending it was for someone else.
I hate this comment so much. Gave me ptsd to those nasty shows where moms turn their daughters to 'models' for weirdo judges to rate in hopes they win a crown.😂
@@watchmehope6560 Or that scene in "A Christmas Story" where the boy's aunt gave him that pink bunny suit. She got it because *she* liked it, not because he liked it.
@@watchmehope6560 pdffiles and child abusers, all that lot
@@watchmehope6560 You mean a pageant where the girls like to feel pretty and the moms get a little to invested in? That's not weird unless you make it out to be. Jeebus what's wrong with the world now?
@@dretchlord873 maybe back in the day. Now, "got too invested in" is an understatement
I started playing D&D in 1988, when my older brother and his friend picked up the Ravenloft module. I haven't actually spent any money on Wizards products in a long time, but I still enjoy playing the same game. This game can still be what you want it to be at your table and there's no need to waste a single dollar on any Hasbro subsidiary.
I live in central Oregon. You don’t have to apologize for Portland jokes. We have a tv show that makes fun of the whole Portland culture so you’re good.
It used to be a power fantasy choose-your-own-adventure for nerds. Now it's for gay dwarves that'd rather be baking than dungeon delving. Well, outside the bedroom.
Funny how that subgenre exists. Cozy fantasy. They need to go there and stay there. Leave our power/ sword and sorcery alone.
Gross.
😂😂😂
@@redcat9436 So true
those dwarves definitely like fudge
The warrior from the red box set was definitely not female. Everybody knows that a female warrior's armor would have been much skimpier than that.
also, the guy who drew it in the first place said it was intended to be a man
Not only that, he said that of course it was a man and that the way he was drawing women, there would not have been a question about it.
the fighter is definitely male. you see this same guy on the other covers by larry elmore.
Orcs come from Roman mythology, it was a curse by Orcus for doing bad things to corpses.
Hey! Someone else who gets it- that's why in my settings, the Orcs are green Romans. Only their legions have better integration of cavalary and archers.
Do we really want to google what those 'bad things' were? Necromancy, or nec-romance-y?
@@Hugin-N-Munin🤯
@@Hugin-N-Munin you can't spell "necromancy" without "romance".
Where can I read more about this?
Board games, comic books, TV shows, movies... This is what happens when modern creatives take charge of a respected brand with nothing but contempt and disregard for the legacy and its fans.
Basically anybody can play D&D it's up to the Dungeon Master to cater to his/her players interests
After promising nerds and social outcasts that taking DND would be a good thing, Wizards has turned the whole game over to the Tumblr crowd while forcing out the original fan base. You see, you still get to be the social outcast, but now you don't get to play DND.
You might be shocked to discover that there are a whole lot of nerds and outcasts who aren't straight white cis men.
@@jamindaveyyou gotta be straight, white, and cis to enjoy orcs and dragons😂 the game was already so flexible, it says alot that this wasn’t enough.
@@lilshawty2605 If representation wasn't necessary to enjoy the game, why are the cis white boys so mad they they aren't exclusively represented anymore?
@@jamindavey my question to them is: why couldn't you make up your own gay stories without insisting that the whole brand change to suit a minority?
@@SammaclauseGamgee Sure. Couldn't you make your own straight stories without pushing your own sexuality onto others?
Everyone has always been welcome in DND. There was no need to make it 'more diverse'.
If you ever felt DND wasn't for you because of "representation", then your imagination was utter shite.
The product is now being made for people that wont even buy the product.
2 words: Abandon Ship
Indeed. If you ever had any cultural/welcoming issues with dnd, it wasn't because of the game: it was because of your dnd group.
Lack of imagination would explain a lot. Like being unable to relate to or "identify with" any character that isn't exactly what you are.
I always related to characters like Samwise Gamgee and Luke Skywalker. I liked to identify with Mulan when I was a kid. Not one character I've loved was a straight white cis woman with autism and depression. A character like that could be interesting, but it's not escapism if it's me.
Wow, I never imagined beard tattoos could be that gay
As weird as that is, they couldn't get approval for penis tattoos on their arms. They had to settle for beards.
they are breaking those glass ceilings man
I just never imagined beard tattoos.
It's just such a retarded concept.
Just, a fucking beard? Fucking.... WHAT!?
Dwarven women in forgotten realms have always had beards and looked similar to dwarven men. TSR stole that from tolkien very early on.
I run 5e at the local community center, and my table is a hard R 80s sword and sorcery game. The shock value on the 20somethings whose first exposure to DnD was Stranger Things or Critical Role is priceless.
If Gary Gygax knew what "D&D" would be like in 2024 he probably would have gone back to fixing shoes. 😢
Maybe being all inclusive isn't such a good thing after all... because now they don't know who to market their product to. Dungeons and Dragons was always meant to be about grand adventures. What kind of adventures can you have with this?
Probably running revenge campaigns against people who they felt slighted them in real life like the person that didn't want to go to prom with them in highschool or their 'evil' landlord
They're not even being inclusive. They just replace one thing for another while being exclusive.
government approved campaigns with politically correct messaging.
@@Tony_409 Or their boss who didn't promote them directly to a six-figure salary when they're working at Starbucks, or their dad who doesn't use their preferred pronouns when speaking to them, or the straight men who won't date them because they're straight men. There's a long, long list of targets for petty revenge, and that's about all they really have to get them up in the morning.
Being INCLUSIVE is a bad thing. It inherently implies you're willing to make changes to whatever your product is to appeal to people your product doesn't appeal to.
Like imagine if you make a really good hand cream, but you change the formula so it also works on feet, making it worse for your hands, so you can appeal to people that don't have hands, so you can be inclusive.
If you create a product and there are certain people it doesn't appeal to, don't fucking change your product unless it's FAILING. It's appealing to NOBODY that would be a problem, if you're doing well in the hand cream market, fuck foot cream, you're not sellin that.
DnD is the same, they keep fucking with the formula to encompass other shit, that it's getting worse and worse at the thing it's SUPPOSED to be doing.
"Aquired" is a nice way to say stolen. This is coming from the same group of people that think you shouldn't defend your physical property either, as it's being stolen.
'Who the F*ck is even even for now?' is a contender for question of the year (decade...?).
For the century my friend.😑
It’s for the mythical “modern audience” now.
@@RogueFox2185 who pirate everything, anyways, because "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", and who only comprise a relatively small percentage of the population. Now, THAT'S smart business practice, WOTC! lulz.
Not every table is for every person. I am an old head and still believe that not all kinds of characters belong at the table. I will ask people to leave and encourage people to leave if the table I run is not for them.
It's for people who aren't buying or playing D&D. Good luck with tailoring your product to people who aren't your customers.
"No offense to Portland..." Oh no. No no no. Much offense to Portland. Minecraft that city.
Nah, reduce that city to pixels. Minecraft is too light a sentence
ruin your multi million /billion franchise for less than 10% of your audience.
Wonder
Welcome to modern America
And this is why you gatekeep
Exactly. Just like the bouncer at a club, you let in the people who are there to have fun and enjoy the hobbies and you keep out the people who want to change and destroy the hobbies.
They did it to warhammer recently. Didn't make a new game just said the custodes were always women.. fuckin lazy retcon. Not even add to the lore just take from the old and make it lame. Then call you an ist when you point to 30 odd years of lore and published works pointing out otherwise.
WotC watched The Big Bang Theory and they think that is their target demographic now.
I am a gay man, and I prefer the old style, I don't need to see gay people inserted into every story to relate to it, I relate to it by the story and if I am entertained or not. The problem with pandering to a certain audience is that they WILL NEVER BE HAPPY. It will never be enough for them, no matter how many changes the company makes, they will find something to complain about, something that isn't inclusive enough, or find some slight or offense.
Stop appealing to the woke mob and make a good game. If someone is offended by it, oh well, that's life.
I grew up in the 80's playing D&D. It was my escape, from high school, my parents, and all things in general. D&D was the greatest game ever! It was a game where friends could gather around a table and create our own adventures and stories and be the hero of our own story. After high school, I joined the Military, traveled the world, fought in war and D&D was with me every step of the way. I have many fond memories, many great adventures and stories. Wizards killed D&D and all the fun, all the adventure, to cater to a demographic that does not support or buy their products, much less play, just to push; "The agenda." I don't know anyone who plays D&D anymore. A sad commentary of such a great game
The usual ......
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create bad games !!! .”
there isn't a lot of men left in WoTC, the time to blame women was 10 years ago
I dont think this mortal world realizes just how terrifying its going to be when and if the Nerdom gathers its forces and fight (quite literally) for all the geeky things that's been stolen from them. DnD, comic books, video games, movies, books in general, tabletop gaming, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who....THE LIST STILL GOES ON!
DnD lost the "Matt Mercer hype". Now when the dust settled the only ones who left are the people that are trully into RPGs. Including the new crowd - If CR was the reason they got into RPGs, thats great. The point is that we are past the expansion phase and playerbase is shrinking until we reach the plateau.
I have ~20 books from current edition and I'm good. Probably forever. If anything - I will sell most of them. Thats the problem for WotC. They hate the idea of infinite ownership and paying for the product once per lifetime. Thus the need for pushing virtual table top. They hope to run the usual scam of microtransaction. Also they are much more in control of the content versus zero control of whats going on at our tables.
If you think the Red Box is the gold standard for getting into rpgs (and I got in using it too), you should definitely check the Dragonbane boxed set. Now that’s gold standard.
Growing up reading the forgotten realms and dragonlance novels , its truly sad to see Hasbro and wotc purposely destroying such a great IP
"It's not foooo~r you!"
*Doesn't buy it*
"You F-ing istaphobe, buy our crap!"
Anyone remembering Dark Sun? A DnD setting that couldn't get more metal.
a setting that they won't touch in a million years because their heads would implode
And Ironically there was very little metal, your basic weapons were bone and obsidian.
I love 2nd ed AD&D! I didn't like everything about it (like ThAC0), but they put so much heart and soul into it and gave you so much for your money. The Complete 's Handbooks, the extra splatbooks on all kinds of topics, and the fact that they didn't impress a style of play or demand you play their way...
This version of D&D is for the lazy DM who can't take the rule set and tailor it to their needs. Or its for the social warrior to hold up and say they finally won the war of ruining somebodies fun. I've been on Pathfinder since the day it started. I'd never go back to WOTC vision of D&D.
in a world where greater restoration and regeneration exists, why are there battle wheelchairs?
I mean that is the adventure hook right there, you have to pay back your healing to the Wizard or else.
It's just ideobabble insanity!
It’s for late stage body positivity.
Because those spells are pricey?
I did have one player who had an artificer with a prosthetic leg. The idea was pretty good at first.
@@janeenschultz8502 by the time we are talking of "battle wheelchairs" the individual probably has the budget to get a spell
Wheelchair users, blind people, and deaf people are ethnic groups now. 'Scuse me... "lineages".
D&D gives powers based on backstory.
It's for fired Hollywood types that can no longer get their self-inserts into regular entertainment. It's for the "modern audience".
Me, I'll just stick with 3.5e or so. If that.
In 2018 we played our last 1st Edition AD&D game. We switched to 5th edition. This was so we could play at conventions again. We have played 5th for 6 years. Only two people in the group purchased Players Handbook, DMG, and Monster Manual. My son got me Xander’s Guide for my birthday. My daughter bought me some cool dice. And that is it. We can keep playing 5th until we don’t want to too. But they are not getting any more money out of us.
I’m currently working on converting the 3rd edition Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. I have books and models from 1st, 2nd, and 3rd edition. The only 5th model I have it the Saltmarsh, because we played that thing to death in 1st edition. Figured it would be a good conversion learning lesson.
I used to run Adventure League at a games shop but have stopped. WotC have killer Adventure League modules. So, I was having to deal with the ever changing rules from D&D Beyond. So, I’ve semi retired from DMing at the game shop. I still have my home game and that is enough for me and my friends.
A battle wheel chair. God, that’s so stupid.
That’s like me, an overweight man in his late 50s. Someone that looks like me is the LAST type of character I would want to play in D&D. This “look MA! Me too!” mentality is just moronic.
The quest is to file lawsuits in order to make ableist Bad Guys make wheelchair-accessible dungeons..
"I cast ... Social Media Campaign using my Staff of Righteous Indignation. My character is a hexadeximal-gendered, multi-hue, unemployed, quadriplegic, trauma survivor with non-understanding parents, giving me +8 on my victim bonus!"
@@jont3295 So brave - you get inspiration. So courageous - roll at advantage.
Don't sleep on the battle wheelchair. It is probably better then walking in every way. You'd be stupid not to use it.
@@bejammin2000 Initially my plan was to review the latest edition and include what I thought was interesting. Now I'm thinking we're going to stay a strict 5e (2014) table. Though I have to admit, DC20 is looking really, really interesting.
@@bejammin2000 The battle wheelchair is supposed to be a virtue signal to foster inclusion of disabled people. I've never needed it before to include such people.
Besides that, someone who is wheelchair bound might want a walking or even flying character, not...a wheeelchair bound one...
It's like labels and groups, "you are x? you must pair up with x stereotype". Well, reality tells us that diversity doesn't require labels or stereotypes.
Like most of the franchises ruined of late, mauled by shills that shit on the shoulders of giants.
AD&D 2nd edition was THE best. I was the Dark Sun generation. My god that was so good
2e revitalized my love of the hobby.
Hi Kneon. They should call it D&D Zero. I live in Oregon. Make fun of Portland.
"Keep Portland weird"
Mission accomplished.
Apparently, it's made for a very very niche group of people. I think this group of people are those who existed on Tumblr and then later Twitter before it became X.
In a world of high magic able to bring people back from the dead and heal any malidy, an adventurer in a wheelchair is idiotic.
A freaking wheelchair in DnD? WTH?! I identify as a black lesbian in a wheelchair please. Did I check all the boxes?
D&D is over. Let's keep the old editions and let the rest rot.
“We’re Hasbro and WOTC, out of touch with greed…” 🤑
Hadbro and Witches of the Coast
The Warlock of the Coast one again made a bargain with the Archdevil of Greed... Typical!
@@andrastor6836 Nah, Greed would make them cater to as wide as an audience as possible to rake in the most money.
@@callak_9974 You make a point.
Women. The answer is women. And it has been since the end of version 3.5. I run Pathfinder and without fail, every DnD 5e player is basically a theater kid as a 35 year old adult. It’s not a game to them, it’s an acting opportunity.
D&D is a game with acting.
@@redcat9436 firstly, they don’t see it that way. Because of Critical Roll and stuff like that, they think of it as acting with a game attached, kinda sorta. I’ve heard numerous times how “rules are restrictive to imagination”, which is what bratty children say. And then secondly, regular people suck at acting, especially improving. It’s not cute, it’s not clever, it’s just cringe. Play the game, act a little for flavor but know your limits and stop using other people’s time to feed your ego with delusions of being the next Matt Mercer.
I mean it is a role playing game you are supposed to be role playing
@@owenblount7334 and also gaming. It started as an extension of board games, not acting.
*fujoshis
The art suggests they have +5 sex toys rather than weapons.
Player: "I swing my +5 Vorpal Transitioner 3000!"
DM: "Roll a 0d and add 27 years of corrective surgeries."
@@brianmurphy6480 I think they use use the Vorpal weapon FOR the transition...
The most liberating thing is realizing you can just play old DND with a few actual friends.
I just saw a “meme” where the DM congratulates players for not using violence during the session. Said “who the F does that?” Open RUclips and this shows up.
These losers are proving that tolerance was a mistake and we need to bring back bullying
they are softening hard stuff like blood, war and hard topics not only in D&D but in everything trying to make a protective buble for God knows what
"Ew, why are you trying to give me ick."
-City Urbanite.
Puking at the last Orc illustration for D&D 2024. First for the stupid attempt to response to the blind racists saying Orcs are black men, and Second for picturing a race of raiders like gardeners. Next will be Drows, I'm sure of it.
WoTC will erase all the evil in the fictional world. There will be no need to go in an adventure and save the world.
Back in my day, a giant scorpion would kill you in one hit, no saving throws. A vampire would drain your levels… THAC0 were the good ol’ days.
With this, they actually make me miss THAC0, which is a great feat on its own!
THAC0 was a mess and a horror to understand for newcomers but i would begin to miss it if i had to play their latest edition. By pure luck, i have enough old material for the rest of my lifetime and i won't need to buy their crap.
@@malcomyoung2240this also looks like a horror for newcomers too based on their sales
Love how normal it's become to accept the phrase and ideology of "it's inclusive to get rid of XYZ" If inclusivity is designed to be exclusive, then it is not - by definition - inclusive.
I started back in the late 80's gamed all through the 90's, then life happened and the group had other things that took up our time. I few years back I looked for a table but nothing was recognizable any longer. Oh well, good memories at least.
I had the one with Earl Otis' art on the cover. It was difficult to understand because I had never heard of a role playing game before. I didn't quite get it. It took me and my friends playing together to figure it out. And it bonded us and kept us busy from eighth grade onward.