Who underachieved more: Neymar or Ronaldinho? 🤔 | ESPN FC Extra Time
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- On today's edition of ESPN FC Extra Time, Sebastian Salazar is joined by Shaka Hislop, Ale Moreno and Luis Garcia to discuss:
0:00 Luis Garcia is ready to roll
0:41 Surprise top-4 finisher in LaLiga?
2:12 Is Romero the best defender in the world?
2:58 Start, Bench, Drop: Luka Modrić, Steven Gerrard, Bastian Schweinsteiger
4:46 Shaka Hislop vs. Ale and Luis outcome?
7:04 Who will lead the line for Spain?
7:48 Best player returns?
9:17 Who underachieved more: Neymar or Ronaldinho
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Fun fact: Ronaldinho has won all 14 major trophies in football.
If pep wasn’t so stubborn, Ronaldinho would’ve won the sextuple at Barcelona if he stayed for 1 season.
@@aryan.4855no, he had lost his hunger and was overweight. It was the right time to sell him to Milan
@@leonleon2276
Fans only see players in the field and don't know what they are outside the field which usually ends up affecting their performance.
@@aryan.4855is still a better coach than Ferguson 😂😂😂
@@masterjack96says Masterjack who has achieved nothing in life
Neymar, all day, all night. Ronaldinho has a legacy, he WAS the best player on the planet, whilst Neymar never managed that, even with all his (unrealised) potential.
Ronaldiho won everything in football
I dunno, Ronaldinho had more potential than Neymar. And ye, i agree that 2 the most wasted talents in football's history were Ronaldo el phenomenon and Ronaldo gaucho (aka Ronaldinho).
And i mean, Ronaldinho had a potential of Maradona, and so Ronaldo in his prime was the best nr. 9.
@@krowaswieta7944R9 and Ronaldinho were wasted talents!😂😂😂 go back to sleep, you need it.
@@tropicaltrev1617 Yes they were. If Ronaldo el phenomenon stayed fit he would MOST CERTAINLY score more goals overall than Ronaldo7.
Mourinho didnt joke when he said r9 was better than r7.
Im not sure if you watched Barcelona in 2000-2002 and if you know how much Barcelona's playstyle changed since Ronaldinho joined the club... But ye, he had only 3 great seasons. If he stayed fit he could have had status of Maradona. Literally.
But Ronaldinho also had higher unrealized potential. If he instead of, went clubbing and practice more like Christiano Ronaldo, he would be at a higher and longer peak.
This conversation isn’t even a debate. Ronaldinho is a generational talent and had an amazing career. For me the most enjoyable player to watch in my life (I’m age 43). Messi proabably the best player but in terms of excitement, entertainment, captivating and bringing joy…. It’s Ronaldinho. He helped rejuvenate Barca and I think disrespectful to even say he did not meet potential. He exceeded when he moved from PSG to Barca that wasn’t expected.
His problem which I guess was said in this debate is I guess with his skill set he could have won more Ballon D’ors
I don’t think you understand. I believe that ronaldinho definitely underachieved more than Neymar. Why? Because in my opinion I think ronaldinho at peak was as good or could’ve exceeded Messi at some points in his career. But in reality Ronaldinho chose a lifestyle that didn’t benefit him at a football standpoint. I’m not saying Ronaldinho is inferior or not as successful as neymar, I’m just saying Ronaldinho had potential to have way more individual awards.
Ronaldinho was easily the best at his peak. Neymar never has been. Messi is the most effective player ever, but Ronadinho was astounding.@@tides1586
@@tides1586 hey… I do get the point. Which is he did good but basically could of had way more. 👍🏾. I get that and that is true. My angle is before he went to Barca (same year Beckham I think went for more money to Madrid) I wonder, did people expect him to carry Barca how he did? So I’m some ways he initially exceeded.
In any case I like good debates (keep it respectful ☺️) so not going to even disagree with you but that’s what I mean.
@@RemofRenaissance Yea, im with tides on that. And Ronaldinho was the most exciting player ive ever watched too (im 32).
So the thing is when you think about Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, youre like: "they achieved so much having only 3-4 top seasons... Imagine they had 20 of those - like Messi or C. Ronaldo".
Neymar was never one of those top-top players. Sure he could have had a lot better career - but he wasnt Messi, C. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Ronaldo el phenomenon (i mean: absolute best of their times).
@@krowaswieta7944 respect happy to taste defeat :-)
Ronaldinho started playing for Brazil in 99 at 20 years old. He excelled in 2002 World Cup scoring the wining goal vs England in the semis. He signed for Barça in 03 at 25 years old and performed incredibly for 5 years until 08. He left Barça at 30 years when he could have given us so much joy. He helped Brazil win World Cup, led Barça to back-to-back La Liga in years, won Barça the UCL, and even excelled at AC Milan and was Milan’s best player in 09/10. He could have achieved more but Neymar has more than underachieved.
Won it all. WC, Champions League and don't forget! Ballon D'Or.
He joined barca at 23 and left before turning 28. He's one of the best to ever touch the ball but he only peaked for 4 years and lost interest by the end of his barca tenure. He performed decently at ac Milan. Even though he won all.the trophies , I still think he underachieved given his generational talent!! He should have easily won more ballondors
Neymar on the other we never know if he's on ronaldinhos level. We only saw the glimpses. Ronaldinho was the best player to touch the ball for 3-4 years
Ronaldinho was born in 1980, so he was 19 when he started playing for 🇧🇷 in '99
Won Copa America and Copa Libertadores as well..
There's this weird thing nowadays with people trying to undervalue Dinho's career. He's cemented himself as one of the best to ever play the game.
I don’t think it’s to undermine, it’s just we all expected him to do more than he did. He could’ve been someone who dominated for many years but he didn’t
He couldve achieved mych more, he wasn’t even the main man when they won the World Cup. Not even top 3 most important on the squad
neymar one of d all time greats as well just not as high as ronaldinho
I'd argue that he could have done it longer not necessarliy "more". His peak was insanely high already and maybe he could have gotten better but he definitely showed more of his power unless Neymar who stands still in midfield for five minutes just to flick the ball over someones head.
Ronaldinho did his moves to get forward. Neymar just does it for the show.
Yeah, I think after Messi and CR7 era people started to depreciate him because he didn't last for too long.
When did it ever become a thing that Ronaldinho underachieved?????
He is the reason so many of us love football. He did decline relatively quick by today’s standards but that IS NOT the same as ‘underachieving’.
He won everything there was to win and then decided to just chill. As a fan I wished he had remained in form because that dude was such a joy to watch. A true magician on the pitch.
No comparison at all, Ronaldinho reached the peak of the world.
Neymar was just unfortunate that he played in a Messi-Ronaldo Era
@@wanda5496It's not because of Messi- Ronaldo but it's because of billion dollar club , average others and fanboy era. He has nowhere to go tbh. Bayern ,Juve, Psg dominated 3 leagues so that was no competition zone. Barca,Real ,ATM in la liga. If he joined PL it would be great but they made fanboys and hyped it so much and everyone talks about Messi, Ronaldo
When it comes to Tittles ya he did... But he didn't reach his full prime/peak... he was finished at 27years old in 2007 he was playing for Milan and fat and didnt deliever as much as he was at 2005-2006 Barca days... he was 30 years old during 2010 World cup and Dunga didn't pick him for the Brazil squad.... Some players just decline early... even the Brazilian Ronaldo btw..
@@wanda5496 He's nowhere near as good as Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho stands up at the level of the best Brazilian footballers. Neymar was never there.
@@wanda5496 Neymar going to win d next word cup with an amazing brazilian team at 32 or so. Maybe he will play even one more. So Neymar is not over yet.
Ronaldinho is an absolutely beloved figure on and off the pitch by teammates and fans. Neymar on the other hand….
Neymar was love by teammates too only mbappe is acting weird the media is never on Neymar side
yes neymar is not d most likeable guy from here but i think he s going to win next world cup with an amazing brazilian team
Neymar everybody love him. 🤣🤣 you learn in other world 🤣🤣🤣. 0 players expect cry baby mbappe
Ronaldinho won it all. Even though his peak was short lived honestly we got an amazing 10 years minimum from him when you count his younger years as well. Neymar always getting injured at the worst times is just too much to ignore as well.
Injuries ruined Neymar that’s fs
@@ubetcha5075Ronaldinho didn't create Messi.
Its easy to win a world cup with teamates like Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Kaka Ronado, Neymar didn't have those guys in his team
@@boogy1033 Neither did other countries have squads full of players of that caliber. So it's a wash.
No 10 🤣 ronni it’s 1 perfect yesrs 2005 he never see top10. 2004 he was good. You don’t even see ronni and you talk about him how you created 10 years. Neymar it’s so clear of r10 🤣 in Brazil in psg IN UCL LIGA. You are so LIMITE YOU DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND QUESTION. NEYMAR HAVE 29 trophie 2011-2021 prime. Ronni have 14 trophie. 1 year peak 2005. r10 WON BALLON DOR AGAINST GERRAD LAMPARD. R9 was finish in 2005. Zidane was not good season. 🤣. Don’t comparer incomparable NEYMAR 9 years BEST PLAYERS OF YEARS 2 years ONLY Messi cr7 WAS BETTER 2017-2015. Ronni was at psg 2001-2003 was bad. 2 years 1 years bench. Neymar ITS MOST COMPLETE WINGER FOOTBALL GOAL ASSITS TRAVELING PASS KEY PASS WEAK FOOT GOAL CENTER ASSITS , creativity dribller record dribller fk , UCL LIGA WC COPA UCL. prime of neymar only Messi cr7 was better ITS BE TOP3 best players in world top scores assits ucl «most assits in ucl, only players history scores in each double confrontation, Neymar ITS 9 YEARS FIFA BEST PLAYERS. 2016 NEYMAR CARRY BARCA WITHOUT MESSI DESTROY MADRID 4-0, SCORES 14 goal 9 assits TOP SCORES ASSITS WC CLUB COPA DEL REY, golden ball Olympic scores alone every goal in every game RECORD GOAL MOST FAST IN FINAL. TOP ASSITS OF YEARS 2013-2016. Neymar santos it's clear of both was only players history top10,5 best players in world puskas GOLDEN BALL WC CLUB DESTROY PUYOL, GOLDEN BALL CONFEDERATION ALONE SCORES IN EVERY GAME DESTROY SPAIN OF CASILAS RAMOS PIQUE XAVI INIESTA TORRES SCORES WEAK FOOT GOAL NEYMAR DESTROY PIQUE, ITALIE OF BUFFON CHIELINI BONNUCI BALLOTELI NEYMAR SCORES INCREDIBLE FK, URUGAY JAPON VOLEY MEXICO. ONLY NEYMAR PSG ITS BETTER CARRY PSG IN FINAL SF UCL WAS TOP3,4 best players ucl FOR Schweinsteiger say Neymar make best ASSITS HISTORY UCL NO LOOK TRAVELING PASS. 2019 Neymar make record hat trick with 2 fk destroy Liverpool Napoli, 2018 Neymar was just in other planète. 2021 Neymar alone carry.brazil in final COPA WAS POTM COPA, ALL ARGENTINA players SAY THEY HAVE TO every goal in every game RECORD GOAL MOST FAST IN FINAL. TOP ASSITS OF YEARS 2013-2016. Neymar santos it's clear of both was only players history top10,5 best players in world puskas GOLDEN BALL WC CLUB DESTROY PUYOL, GOLDEN BALL CONFEDERATION ALONE SCORES IN EVERY GAME DESTROY SPAIN OF CASILAS RAMOS PIQUE XAVI INIESTA TORRES SCORES WEAK FOOT GOAL NEYMAR DESTROY PIQUE, ITALIE OF BUFFON CHIELINI BONNUCI BALLOTELI NEYMAR SCORES INCREDIBLE FK, URUGAY JAPON VOLEY MEXICO. ONLY NEYMAR PSG ITS BETTER CARRY PSG IN FINAL SF UCL WAS TOP3,4 best players ucl FOR Schweinsteiger say Neymar make best ASSITS HISTORY UCL NO LOOK TRAVELING PASS. 2019 Neymar make record hat trick with 2 fk destroy Liverpool Napoli, 2018 Neymar was just in other planète. 2021 Neymar alone carry.brazil in final COPA WAS POTM COPA, ALL ARGENTINA players SAY THEY HAVE TO tacle GRAB NEYMAR BCS HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE.
Ronaldinho is simply the most skillful footballer his ability with the ball is amazing
Neymar got more skills tbh
@@khosta6690😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Haha🤣 R10 don’t have weak foot can’t make rainbow. Neymar it’s most skillsful. Neymar it’s so clear of r10 🤣 in Brazil in psg IN UCL LIGA. You are so LIMITE YOU DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND QUESTION. NEYMAR HAVE 29 trophie 2011-2021 prime. Ronni have 14 trophie. 1 year peak 2005. r10 WON BALLON DOR AGAINST GERRAD LAMPARD. R9 was finish in 2005. Zidane was not good season. 🤣. Don’t comparer incomparable NEYMAR 9 years BEST PLAYERS OF YEARS 2 years ONLY Messi cr7 WAS BETTER 2017-2015. Ronni was at psg 2001-2003 was bad. 2 years 1 years bench. Neymar ITS MOST COMPLETE WINGER FOOTBALL GOAL ASSITS TRAVELING PASS KEY PASS WEAK FOOT GOAL CENTER ASSITS , creativity dribller record dribller fk , UCL LIGA WC COPA UCL. prime of neymar only Messi cr7 was better ITS BE TOP3 best players in world top scores assits ucl «most assits in ucl, only players history scores in each double confrontation, Neymar ITS 9 YEARS FIFA BEST PLAYERS. 2016 NEYMAR CARRY BARCA WITHOUT MESSI DESTROY MADRID 4-0, SCORES 14 goal 9 assits TOP SCORES ASSITS WC CLUB COPA DEL REY, golden ball Olympic scores alone every goal in every game RECORD GOAL MOST FAST IN FINAL. TOP ASSITS OF YEARS 2013-2016. Neymar santos it's clear of both was only players history top10,5 best players in world puskas GOLDEN BALL WC CLUB DESTROY PUYOL, GOLDEN BALL CONFEDERATION ALONE SCORES IN EVERY GAME DESTROY SPAIN OF CASILAS RAMOS PIQUE XAVI INIESTA TORRES SCORES WEAK FOOT GOAL NEYMAR DESTROY PIQUE, ITALIE OF BUFFON CHIELINI BONNUCI BALLOTELI NEYMAR SCORES INCREDIBLE FK, URUGAY JAPON VOLEY MEXICO. ONLY NEYMAR PSG ITS BETTER CARRY PSG IN FINAL SF UCL WAS TOP3,4 best players ucl FOR Schweinsteiger say Neymar make best ASSITS HISTORY UCL NO LOOK TRAVELING PASS. 2019 Neymar make record hat trick with 2 fk destroy Liverpool Napoli, 2018 Neymar was just in other planète. 2021 Neymar alone carry.brazil in final COPA WAS POTM COPA, ALL ARGENTINA players SAY THEY HAVE TO every goal in every game RECORD GOAL MOST FAST IN FINAL. TOP ASSITS OF YEARS 2013-2016. Neymar santos it's clear of both was only players history top10,5 best players in world puskas GOLDEN BALL WC CLUB DESTROY PUYOL, GOLDEN BALL CONFEDERATION ALONE SCORES IN EVERY GAME DESTROY SPAIN OF CASILAS RAMOS PIQUE XAVI INIESTA TORRES SCORES WEAK FOOT GOAL NEYMAR DESTROY PIQUE, ITALIE OF BUFFON CHIELINI BONNUCI BALLOTELI NEYMAR SCORES INCREDIBLE FK, URUGAY JAPON VOLEY MEXICO. ONLY NEYMAR PSG ITS BETTER CARRY PSG IN FINAL SF UCL WAS TOP3,4 best players ucl FOR Schweinsteiger say Neymar make best ASSITS HISTORY UCL NO LOOK TRAVELING PASS. 2019 Neymar make record hat trick with 2 fk destroy Liverpool Napoli, 2018 Neymar was just in other planète. 2021 Neymar alone carry.brazil in final COPA WAS POTM COPA, ALL ARGENTINA players SAY THEY HAVE TO tacle GRAB NEYMAR BCS HE WAS UNSTOPPABLE.🤣
@@alvarohiginoI don’t why laught 🤣 NEYMAT GOAL ASSITS KEY PAS TRAVELING PASS SAMBRERO RAINBOW FLIP FLAP ELASTICO STEP OVER LONG SHOOT NUTMEG FK. RONNI SAMBRERO FLIP FLAP ELASITCO FK STEP over r10 WHEN HE MAKE IS SKILS HE WAS SO FAST NEYMAR MAKE EVERY IN FOOTBALL BUT MORE FOR HUMILIATED PLAYERS THAT ITS. It’s what I see.
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Ronaldinho leads by 1000 Billion years. stop comparing Neymar with CAMPEONES DEL MUNDO
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No, Neymar is actually close to Dinho in terms of individual talent. What if Dinho played in Neymars era, he probably would not have won the WC with the recent Brazil squads
@@MalcolmGaming10 Stop talking kid. You sound foolish
@@MalcolmGaming10 Ronaldinho as 2 Ballon doir wat do u mean by neymer was close?
@@MalcolmGaming10 hope u know that Brazil team now is better than Brazil team when dinho won world cup, rivaldo and Carlos are old as F , they had a striker who as not kicked a ball in 2 yrs
At one time Ronaldinho was widely regarded as the best footballer. He also has achieved everything any footballer wishes in their career. He has won the World cup too. Neymar never reached the height Ronaldinho reached.
Ronaldinho completed football at 26. WC, Copa America, CL, League title, individual award like ballon do'r or FIFA best. Neymar fanboys only have two arguments - More Goals + Assists and that he competed with Messi and Ronaldo🙏
Exactly!!!
neymar has more goals than pele for brazil now :) watch d bolivia match amazing
ronaldinho had a time like u leave him alone for a second he scored somehow, you give him an inch he scored somehow.
i grew up with maradona 86 my first world cup
It’s clearly Neymar. Before Ronaldinho lost his form he achieved everything in football. For both his club and country. And also won numerous individual awards.
Neymar have more individual trophie and 29 trophie. R10 14 trophie. R19 ONLY HAVE BEST BRAZIL , NEYMAR 0 players of Brazil was good in selecao. And Neymar 9 years fifa best players of years he COMPETE 2 years IN BALLON DOR AGAINST MESSI CR7 2017-2015. No only individual award ronni have ITS BALLON DOR. RONNI 0 individual trophie UCL wc Brazil psg Barca LIGA NEYMAR HAVE SO MUCH MORE INDIVIDUAL TROPHIE and trophie. R10 2002 won wc SOME TIME WAS BENCH R10 RIVALDO CAFU ROBERTO CARLOS WAS CLEAR ,2001-2003 bad in psg play only 36 game in pitch 16 game in bench. 2003/2004-2005 he was other level at Barcelona won ballon dor AGAINST GERRAD LAMPARD 2005. 2006 WC of ronni was horrible. 2010 not call bcs 2007-2010 R10 was finish. Neymar it’s PLAYERS MOST COMPLETE IN HISTORY 25 goal FK, LONG SHOOT HEADER, GOAL ASSITS, Traveling pass creativity control weak foot driblling. Neymar its 475 goal 289 assits 79 goal 59 assits top assits all time nation, 21 goal final top3 scores final, 23 motm ucl top3 players with most individual motm trophie ucl history. Neymar individual awards FIFA Ballon d'or-3rd(2015),3rd(2017),5th (2013)5th(2013),5th(2016),10th(2012) 12(2018) 4(2012).
FIFA the best men's player-3rd(2017), 4th (2016), 2 (2020) ,3(2021) , 2022 (9)
UEFA player of the year-4th(2019/20),5th(2014/15) FIFA Puskás Award: 2011
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2011
FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP GOLDEN BALL FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup Bronze Shoe: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup TOTT: 2013
FIFA World Cup Bronze Boot: 2014
FIFA World Cup TOTT: 2014 FIFA UEFA OF YEARS 2014/15,2019/20,2020/21.
FIFA FIFPro World11: 2015,2017
FIFA FIFPro World11 2nd team: 2013,2014, 2016,2018
FIFA FIFPro World11 3rd team:2020
FIFA FIFPro nominee:2019(6th forward)
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker Bronze award: 2017 IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017
IFFHS World's Best Man Player of the
Decade 2011-2020: 4th place ESM Team of the Year: 2017-18
IFFHS CONMEBOL team of the decade 2011-2020
Copa Del Rey top scorer assits -2014/15
UEFA champions league top assist provider-2015/16,2016/17
FIFA club World Cup top assist provider-2015
UEFA champions league top scorer-2014/15
UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014-15,2019-20,2020-21
La Liga Best World Player: 2014-15 UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year:
Samba Gold: 2014, 2015, 2017,2020,2021,2022
La Liga Player of the Month: November 2015
Copa America POTT-2021 (joint)
Copa America TOTT-2021
Ronaldinho is the most skilful player ever to play the game, his flair and silky movements bring joy to even opposition fans, never dives and smiling all the times. Won World Cup, copa America, Champions League, 2 times Balon dor etc…. Let’s stop disrespecting the legend because Neymar isn’t anywhere close to Ronaldinho
Ronaldinho is one of the best footballers of all time. I’ve never thought he was underachieving in any way. He’s a legend and won the World Cup, Ballon D’Or etc.
I knew Ronaldinho years before i ever saw his face, he had mystique like michael jackson. Ginormous legacy
The way ronaldinho played the game was contagious. Everyone loved him. What he did, they way he did it, they way he enjoyed himself. Neymar is a fantastic player, but rightfully so has many haters. He conducts himself poorly on the field, targeting players to make them look stupid, not to have fun. He irritates defenders with his taunts and cries and flops too much. It can be very frustrating to watch Neymar as the game itself is full of fighting and fouling, while watching ronaldinho was a joy for everyone
When you talk about underachieved Brazilian players: Robinho , Pato , Neymar, Coutinho .
Short career Brazilian players but achieved are: Ronaldo, Kaka and Ronaldinho
Ronaldo played from 94-06 despite injuries. That's not sure.
Ronaldinho won a ballon d'or, got robbed of the 2004 and 2006 ballon D'or, won the world cup, won La Liga, won Champions League!
But longevity merchants will tell you that he underachieved even though he achieved more than most players with longevity.
longevity is the least important factor when rating players in any sport. what's important is how good they were in their prime and what they achieved in that time. Ronaldinho achieved more in less time than Neymar. it's not even close.
Bro really he was robbed .??!
@@evanclp514👏👏absolutely well said
Ronaldinho the king but Neymar great player
Stop with this bullsh1t. 2004 was a perfect year for Andriy Schevchenko and 2006 was won by Cannavaro, although controversial, Henry and Cannavaro had a far better year than Ronaldinho in 2006.
Didn’t Ronaldinho win basically everything everywhere expect PSG? 😂
No one can succeed at pissg
Ronaldinho is a Copa América and World Cup winner, playing a significant part in those triumphs.
The most Neymar is known for in a Brazil shirt is the amount of the times he can roll on the ground in fake agony.
How anyone can think Neymar is more significant in Brazilian football history is beyond me.
Ronaldinho was not the best player or even the 2nd best player for Brazil in 2002 when they won the world cup!
Neymar's one of the best players of all time in his own right what are you talking about
Bro what are you talking about. Neymar will now be known as the top goal scorer in Brazil's history.
@@ricomajesticif it wasn't for his contributions vs England brazil would had never won the world cup. Stf up you know nothing. Ronaldinho for sure was top 1-2 best player in that squad.
@@JL-iq6yboooooo with a bunch of penalties lmao. Who gives af. Stat paddling doesn't make you better when it counts he's a shadow and never shows up. No world cup no copa America no confederations cup. Only Olympics 👏👏👏lol gj neymar
Neymar not even close. Ronaldinho won the world , champions league and balon dor
I am surprised that these people are even comparing Ronaldinho with Neymar.
Absolutely...rediculous
haha it’s not that far of a comparison neymar numbers are way higher then hsi
Nice joke
No it's not 😂 Nostalgia bias. In 20 years when people watch clips of Neymar they are going to think he was the best Brazilian player. Happens every time, generation to generation.
@@seeme8080 that’s true i think they actually say that in the video as well
Ronaldinho achieved more, stop asking nonsense!
Edit: Actually, I'm realizing I didn't answer the question... Ronaldinho underachieved given his crazy potential.
Well said
Ronaldinho in his prime was levels above neymar.
The guy won the World Cup and a Balon dor like what more do you want?
Ronaldinho is the only player to have won world cup, copa America, confederations cup, champions league, copa libertadores and a Ballon d or. TF DRUGS YOU KIDS ON!?!?!? UNDERACHIEVED?!?! Cool story kid.
How is this even a question 😅 what Gocho did from 2002 - 2006 is greater than Neymars whole caree!
Great show I loved it❤😂
Modric > Schweinsteiger > Gerrard. The PL overhype is insane.
Wrong.
@@RonniePickaring Schweinsteiger achieved more and led his country to a WC meanwhile Gerrard has one CL title and his slip in one of the biggest moments of his club costed them a league title.
Ronaldinho changed the game. Neymar rolled around in the pitch when touched. Huge difference
Neymar's one of the best players of all time in his own right what are you talking about
People who can't see Neymar is top 10 of all time know nothing about football
@@marcelomoreirafilho9565which year did he become a top 10 player? Don’t be silly
@@trojantony195 Just watch football, its not just about winning, players like Neymar are the reason people fall in love with the game. And if you want to talk about stats, Neymar has more goals/assists per 90 minutes than cristiano.
@BDJ4mTex leave football mate it's beyond your comprehension 😂
Ronaldinho's corner "injury" vs Neymar's 15 min injury rolls... At least Ronaldinho didn't sell out to the Saudis
What corner injury?
Ronaldinho fake passport vs neymar fake pass
I enjoy the conversation. Their energy together, They did great on this. Salute
Ronaldinho is the reason I fell in love with futbol. It’s the reason I got into it during the 2006 world up was my first time really watching futbol. Playing fifa street playing fifa 2006. All the joga bonito videos Nike commercials god what a time !!
Both achieved fantastic things. More than 99.9% footballers. That is phenomenal by itself. Its unfair conversation to say they are underachievers.
It's weird because they aren't underachievers but at the same time they should have had way more
@@yk100 why??? They already had way way more. if your familiar with the youth football world you will know there are many many super talented players who never even make it to being professional. Everyone is not going to be a Messi and Ronaldo. What Neymar and Ronaldinho have achieved is absolutely fantastic. There is no question for more.
Neymar did what??
If anything Marcelo and Dani Alves achieved more 💀💀💀
Both didn't underachieve. They did what they did and got what they invested. They brought me joy, that's most important. 99.8% of footballers (experts included) didn't even come close to what they did. There has to be a second best. Funny how we speak about such successful people, when we on the other side miss the joy in the game and critizise the pressure. A time to remind everyone of Robert Enke!
Fax
great show!
man r10 didn't suffer injuries like r9 Kakà yet him performing on top lvl was so short..after Kakà breaking into the scene...i recall Ancelotti saying he would bench r10 for Kakà..& milan went on winning every trophies at club level
Ronaldinho did not under achieve he played and gave the world many moments of sublime pleasure
he didn't reach his full prime... 27 and he was finished already At Milan.
@@zorashki Please read my comments again CAREFULLY and SLOWLY before replying again
Ronaldinho done more then gerrard and lampard the cheek to say he underachieve
Neymar by far!!! like it’s not even close 😂 … Neymar was never ever close to winning a Ballon D’or
He literally finished 3rd twice. If Ronaldinhos teammate was prime messi he ain't winning ballondors either
He got third, the best you can get against Messi and Ronaldo 😂
Clearly never watched him if you think he was never close to winning it
@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. No let him make a fool of himself with that ignorant comment hahaha
@@BlxckBreeze he has no sense whatsoever lol
R10 was an extraordinary talent. Pure magic with the ball.
Before Messi there was Ronaldinho
CLEARLY neymar. Dumb question 🤦♂️
Seb has come a long way as a presenter, he's still a little uptight at times but he's started taking the banter in his stride and even dishing a little of his won at times.
Refreshing indeed, well played.
Ronaldinho didn’t underachieve. He was just Ronaldinho, and won everything on his own terms, by being himself. If he had the work ethic of say Cristiano Ronaldo, he wouldn’t be Ronaldinho, he wouldn’t have that flair, that creativity and the carelessness/daring that made him do amazing things; football would be joyless for him, and he would have achieved even less.
Ronaldinho won ballon dor and 2 fifa best player awards and 14 major trophies including world cup and ucl - so its still Neymar at the moment
Neymar is hands down the most gifted player of this generation after messi, it's a shame he made the wrong career choices. With the right career choices this guy would be in top 5/10 lists consistently.
The prince who never became king 💔
Neymar is clear. I'm a huge messi fan but pure ability with the ball, neymar is ahead. Messi is much more intelligent with vision and movement
Delusional gen x kids who never saw ronaldinho. Neymar wasn't even better than robinho in terms of skill 😂😂😂
@@imransuhail82”Pure ability with the ball” what exactly is he better at than Messi with the ball at his feet? Neymar is an inferior passer, inferior dribbler, inferior goalscorer, he’s inferior in pretty much every metric with the ball. So what are you basing your claim on exactly? just pure Brazilian flair?
Suarez was streets ahead of Neymar. Don't even mention Cr7
Ronaldinho freaking revitalized Barcelona and led them, not only to their first La Liga in 5-6 years, but their first UCL in almost 15 years. But I at least get Garcia's point. Prime Ronaldinho was substantially better than prime Neymar. Thus, the expectations would be much higher for him.
If Ronaldinho had the discipline of CR7, wow, can you imagine...🤯 Super Saiyan AI next level vibes!!
Ronaldinho had two good years, but that's probably the best two years anyone has ever played bar Messi. Also I miss the dude, football was pure fun with him.
Well said, that 2 year run by Ronaldinho was magical
Definitely had more than 2 good years
And his personality... he loved the game, his mates, the fans. Showed it with that smile.
2 good years can’t make you as popular as he was
05/06 his best year followed by 04/05. He was also good in 03/04 and 06/07 but really fell off in the 07/08 season. He was a shadow of the player he was in that season
Neymar and zlatan are the biggest underachievers of our time because of the hype they had
Neymar is worse though the talent and the accolades don’t match a guy like him should have at least 1 ballndor or a golden boot yet he has neither
Ronaldinho was so good he managed to simultaneously underachieve while also winning the biggest trophies available. he would have won even more if he stayed committed but still basically shaped an entire generation of players with the way he played. Neymar not caring and basically playing only for the money now is disappointing and he’s gonna have some regrets if he doesn’t get Brazil another World Cup
Imagine being a panel of football analysts debating about Ronaldinho's underachievement. These people get paid serious money by the way.
Neymar how is that even a question?! Ronaldinho won the WC and the Ballon d’Or and he was the leader of Barça winning the UCL so no comparisons here really
So stupid your answer Kaka won a ballon d’Or and WC and is no even close, hate 😂. Ronaldinho no even better dribbling, it hasn’t more goal, and the only big made was won a WC playing with Ronaldo, rivaldo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, come on give a better shot
Ye comparing playing with cafu, Ronaldo to playing with Willian,Gabriel well done mate completed football more like Julian Alvarez story 🤣
Ronaldinho was just better than neymar simple as that
Agreed. However the question is who UNDERACHIEVED more. Its stupid. Ronaldinho won everything. The answer is always Neymar.
Stats say otherwise
@@RD-sc4ll lol what "stats"? You can use stats for any side of an argument. Ronaldinho objectively had a more successful career (so far)
I remember a young Ronaldinho being devastating and winning the World cup with a young Kaka on the bench the whole tournament, the only game he didn't play they missed him badly and struggled to win, even though Rivaldo and Ronaldo were the main men then.
Ronaldinho made people fall in love with the game, the things and tricks that he did with Barcelona are gona be watched for 100s of years coming. True he is not the goat but he is the most fun player to watch in history.
I don’t think ronaldinho underachieved anything. He could have won more , possibly. But certainly didn’t under achieve
i would say, Ronaldninho underachieved by not being statistically closer to Messi & CR7.. coz visually Ronny was my personal favourite ever to watch
@@jamesjuniordunford2653 you can argue that your disappointed by that. But I agree, il take R9 R10 in their primes over any Messi and cristiano. All day. If R9 never had so many bad injuries, he would have had the stats and achievements like no other and would be the clear goat in any argument. But then you could say if maradonna had hood people around him and never partied and stayed fully focused and never met drink and come……he would be untouchable forever 😂 ifs n buts
I agree with luiz, dinho could of easily have won more ballondor, more ucl, and maybe help brazil to another wc, dinho was that special
The question was who underachieved more. Neymar was supposed to be the next Pele... Not even close. Zero world player of the year awards and zero world cups. Ronaldinho won tons of trophies and individual awards. Could Ronaldinho have done more? Sure but he had an amazing career that peaked too soon
Another hilarious ESPN FC Extra Time 🤣
12:28 😂😂💀 'Ronaldinho didn't leave anything on the table'
Neymar is one of the greatest football talents. His frail body that can’t shake off the defenders and constant injuries is literally his Achilles heel.
Why are you guys comparing Ronaldinho with neymar, Ronaldinho is in a. Different class way ahead of neymar
neymar is in a class similar or even above him stop watching media and actually watch the games
@@stacyshelton515Ask someone who watches 00,05 peak football. Dinho played in pretty competitive era,other in weakest era
comparing eras won’t change that they both are in the same bracket
@@stacyshelton515 Dinho in a level higher
@@user-bi5nw4vp6t you don’t watch neymar play enough i see just what the media says about him
Ronaldinho might have achieved more YES, but to say He underachieved is insane. He won everything that a player at his level could win. He made people fall in love with Football. He was outstanding at the time were you had players like Zidane, R9, the list goes on and on... A magician at best
Facts..guy played during a time where every top league and team was flooded with elite players and opponents...
3:27 Ok Seb. Get some! 😂
Ronaldinho had the potential to be the best of all time if he had consistency
he's still considered one of the best of all time.
In terms of longevity sure he's not the best, but everything else? Yeah bro, he's the goat to me
@@jponz85Longevity was not possible in 90s,80s like this . Peak form must be considered
Bro dinho has a ballon dor
Neymar could have been the best of his generation. But the way Ronaldinho emerged and how he dazzled the world, he could have been one of the GOATs.
Ronaldinho is Brazils second best ever player imo. The man was a footballing genius. Neymar couldn't lace his boots. How is this even a question?
No, Ronaldo and Pele are better.
@@s.i2898Ronaldo was great but Ronaldinho was better for me
There is a reason Ronaldinho was little Ronaldo...cmon now...@@houndofuladh587
@@houndofuladh587I agree R10 is Brazil 2nd best ever player behind Pele but when it comes to pure ability R10 is 2nd best ever only behind messi
Rivaldo was better and arguably so where Zico and Rivelino and Garrincha!
Ronaldinho etched his name into football folklore forever. He's a legend of the game. No one will talk about Neymar in twenty years.
Well, Ronaldinho was more positive, so he attracted less drama on pitch, also had a stronger body. For me, Neymar is more talented, but his body is so slim for today's football, so I really don't think he is 100% guilty. I think the transition of Ronaldinho was more abruptly in his decline, but he had 3 wonderful years so I will not say he wasted talent. I think he adapted more poorly to ageing and tried to drible too much. I he kept it simple and trained as CR7 he would have made it to 2011 at Barcelona wining another treble at least.
This is actually a good analysis.
Pep has a major role there also, let's not forget that. He arrived in Barcelona and started with a clean-up in the dressing room, he axed Ronaldinho among others.
This can't be a serious question -- while Ronaldinho did underachieve and fizzled out earlier than he should have, he has won EVERYTHING. Every single thing. There's a lot to consider as well: Ronaldinho played in a brazil team that had some GOATS: Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu, Roberto Carlos....Neymar was surrounded by a lot of younger players and experimental coaches that oftentimes didn't anticipate his genius and creativity. Those goes for both post-2014 Brazil and PSG. I daresay Neymar is even more of a genius than Ronaldinho, but again, that genius is only truly fulfilled if your teammates can appreciate and maximize on it. Neymar's only hope of equalling Ronaldinho's achievements is to not equal Ronaldinho's fate: don't get lazy, don't get chubby, don't let the party life win out. Keep your head down, train hard, be disciplined, focus, but yes: keep the brilliance.
Nah, Ronaldinho in his prime was certainly A LOT better than Neymar ever was. Not even close mate.
Neymar isnt even in top 5 best Brasilian players ever.
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The only thing Neymar will have more than Ronaldinho and that's why he moved to Saudi Arabia. Besides that there is nothing that Neymar is going to achieve which is better than Ronaldinho in his career. His career is done!!
Someone once said this to me, if you want to make something look greater than it is, put it around substandard quality and whatever it is you want to highlight will look great. Neymar has always played with substandard talent on brazil . Neymar at psg was the third best player when mbappe and cavani was there and he became the fourth best when messi arrived . Neymar was the third best player at barca when messi and suarez was playing so , is the guy that good afterall?
@@bjvu9460 Bruh have you seen how many passes/potential assists Cavani and Mbappe missed from Neymar BC they didn't expect that kinda creativity?
Ronaldihno reminded everyone why we love football. He was epitome of romance ⚽️.
How is even a comparison? When was the last time you watched a game with Ronaldinho being a passenger in the team? The guy literary won everything. Copa America, World Cup, Champions League, La Liga, Balon d'Or, young player of the year, top scorer, player of the tournament. And he was playing football, not taking selfies and buying supercars
I love Sebi intro!!
When and how did Ronaldinho ever underachieve?
Hating on Neymar never ends, does it? Neymar just past Pele to become Brasil's all time leading goal scorer and all you can talk about is how he under achieves. IRONIC, would you say, ESPN? It is astounding how much you (ESPN) hate Neymar. Y?
One guy won it all🤔 got a standing ovation 🤔. And did it all with a boombox in one hand and a drink in the other .staying up till 4 in the morning 7 days a week . 😂
Comparing Ronaldihno and Neymar is like comparing a lion and a dog
Maybe that other guy is saying that Ronaldinho underachieved more based on the context of Ronaldinho being the player he is. Many think Ronaldinho is miles clear of Neymar, but the fact is that Neymar is the closest player to ever replicate Ronaldinho.
Neymar did get Brazil their first olympic gold, so I'll give him that. but feels he should've accomplished so much more
Ronaldinho could've achieved more as well, but his resume is amazing regardless
Ronaldinho is one of the best to ever play the game Neymar isn't , Neymar is the king of friendlies, Ronaldinho wasn't he was the king of the big match, Neymar isn't even on Rivaldo's level
Shake, Ale and Seb is a great combination 😂
I watched Ronaldinho in 2005/06 champions league final and I fell in love with Barcelona.
Really he was rubbish in the final lol
@@sugs1191 I know
Definitely Neymar. No Ballon D’or, no big title with national team. Just a lot of money for doing nothing all season long. At least, Ronaldinho showed the world his full potential at some point during his career. He could do more and gain more titles but when it comes to showing talent, he did more than his little brother. Even fat, he still did great thing at the end of his career.
Didn't Neymar also "showed his talent at some point in his career" eg. Barca, and it has always been an nearly impossible task for him getting Ballon D'or with Messi and Ronaldo at their prime
Yup and he completed world football by 26
I dont care what anyone tells me Ronaldinho was the player that made fall in love with the sport. Growing up in a refugee camp and seen him play and that smile on his face what everyone forget their troubles. Ronaldinho will forever be my goat.
Ale’s “on the table” ronaldinho joke was first class lmaooo
Dinho underachieved? I mean he didn’t last as long as expected but come on…
The real comparison should be between Neymar and Robinho (that’s clear too)
And even then I would put robinho over neymar lol
Neymar is the pure example of how quality of defense dropped last decade or so
Neymar. Not even a debate LMAO. Ronaldinho won a WC, ballon d'or and more. I just wish Neymar was never suffering with injuries and we could've seen how far he'd go and how much he'd accomplish
Easily Neymar.
Ronaldinho: Won a Ballon d’Or, a World Cup and a UCL as the best player on the team.
Neymar: Won a UCL as the 2nd best player on the team, left Barcelona to escape Messi’s shadow only to jump right into Mbappé’s shadow 💀
This Luis guy looks sensible than he speaks 😂. His analysis is quite hilarious
Def Neymar - Kid was a prodigy when he first made headlines all over Brazil. Ronaldinho had a WC, a Ballon D’Or , and helped the Greatest Player Ever (Messi) transition in the Greatest 11 men Football we’ve ever watched (Tiki Take Barcelona) -
Neymar could’ve only grown in bitterness after his unfortunate WC-injury exit in 2014 😢 was honestly heartbreaking 💔
Its a shame that espn fc even debated this 😂😂
Ronaldinho got standing ovation @ Madrid , of all places ... Marinate on that for min 😂
Has to be Neymar man.. He was the next exiciting wonder after leo. When i saw him at santos, i really felt he could threaten Messi's position as number 1. Even, Messi saw him as the apparent heir of Camp nou, but man left for PSG at peak of his career, he still achieved good career with PSG, but would have absolutely shined the brightest alongside lionel, knowing messi, he would gladly let neymar the reins at Barcelona. I hope.. He does his absolute best and win WC for brazil. That team is stacked.
I think neymar has better stats but ronaldinho has a longer lasting impact on the game
They changed the locks 🤣🤣🤣. Shaka is savage
Fun fact: Ronaldinho has won the jail's trophy also. He was detened for a time in one of the south America countries for fake passport or something like that.
This is a completely insane argument to have
they shouldve edited the goal and save into it