If you agreed to meet friends at 5pm, what time would it feel good for you to arrive? Would your answer be different if it's a work meeting, rather than meeting friends?
4:55-5:05 friends...work meeting 4:50-4:55...someone coming late to a work meeting without a good cause...an absolute No Go!!! and even coming late meeting friends...then you should have said...let‘s meet 17:15...if the work meeting starts at 5pm ...it starts and not waiting others to take of coats etc.
heh. I've seen government level meetings and the national stereotypes play out all the time. For a meeting at 3pm the Kiwis, Aussies, and Japanese will all show up 5-10 minutes early and be well prepared. The British will show up 5 minutes either side and apologise if they're late. The Americans will be 10-15 minutes either side and never apologise if late. The Germans will show up 5-30 minutes before. If there's a chance they will be late they will contact everyone and apologise. The French will *always* be 3-6 minutes late. I don't know how they do it, but it's *always* 3-6 minutes late. The Italians may or may not show up at all, but they will never be less than 15 minutes late. 50/50 chance they forget entirely and just don't appear. I've been to meetings *they've* been hosting and they forgot to show up.
I sing in an international choir. And the Germans mostly are on time (or early) and the others (especially the Arabs) were at least 15-30 minutes late in the beginning. This got so extrem that we told different nationalities different starting times so everybody would arive on roughly the same time. ^^ Another interesting thing I've noticed: For Germans it's impolite to be late and if a German was late they would quietly find a place and start participating in the rehearsal. Greeting people would take time and was avoided in order not to disturb the rehearsal. When an Arab was late they would go around, shake everybodies hand and ask how everybody was doing. It could take up to 5 minutes of rehearsal time. But for them not doing that would have been impolite.
Many Asian People will probably rather send you to some Destination UNknown (and surely WRONG), than admitting to you, that they do NOT know the Way or where the Place is. Since they think telling someone a "No , sorry ( I don´t know)" would be IMpolite ! ...SIGH
I am so damn German that I get nervous if I am as much as 2 minutes late 😅 at university, I would rather take an earlier train an be there 50 minutes early than to take the later one and be 10 minutes late 🙈😂
@@WantedAdventure yes, if I know that I won't make it right on time I'll usually write something like 'I'll be a few minutes late' even if I hurry up so much that I arrive only 1 or 2 minutes late 😅 and it actually stresses me out quite a bit, so I am currently trying to be a little more relaxed about it, but I haven't quite managed to keep my cool yet 😄
Punctuality is something I'm absolutely German about. I've never been late in my life yet. So I don't know this feeling of being late. But I always get a bit nervous if I approx. gonna be there somewhere in between 5 minutes early and right in time. Also I'm rather 4 hours early than risking running late because of DB or traffic jam.
What USE is it to WRITE People, when you´re prospectively being late ? 8-/ The postal Delivery Service surely does NOT hand over the Letter RIGHT in Time.
There's this German proverb: "Pünktlichkeit ist die Höflichkeit der Könige" - punctuality is the politeness of kings' And that's very much how I feel it. Depending on the distance I have to drive for a meeting and the traffic conditions, I plan to arrive 15 to 30 minutes early, because there can always be traffic jams or with public transportation you may always encounter delays, not catching a connection etc. I'd rather wait 30 minutes than to appear just one minute late. And I will always have the phone number to call the person I'm going to meet, just in case my calculations were wrong or something unexpexted happens. My perception of other people running late depends on the circumstances. If someone has a two-hour drive or is unfamiliar with the place of the meeting and shows up 15 minutes late, that's totally fine for me, or if they call me and tell me they will be late by app. XY minutes. Not notifying me, showing up more than 15 minutes late or even not showing up at all is very rude imo. I had a (German as me ) friend in Gymnasium (highschool) which would always be late by 5 minutes, which annoyed me as f*ck, because we then missed the tram or got bad seats in cinema etc. I got rid if the problem by telling her to be there 5 minutes before the actual time. Worked perfectly.
About the association with the region of food: What's with the americans? In Germany I never really call it "American Burger" I never call it "Italian Pasta" but in America it's German sausage (which one?) Italian Sausage (which one?) French Toast (?) and so on. And I never heard someone say Texan BBQ... It's BBQ or Grillen here...
I'm from the US and I was taught at an early age to be On Time if not early because it's rude to keep someone waiting. If it's 5 minutes until the time and I see I'm going to be late I usually call and give them the option of doing it another time.
Hi, I'm italian and I have yo make a confession: I'm one of those people who is frequently late (even for italian standard)! But it's true what she said, for example if you're late at a party, here in Italy (at least in the Center/South), it's perfectly fine (even an hour late, sometimes), but if you're early it's almost rude because people may be still prepping things. I do math private lessons and if the student is early it's such an inconvenience for me... every time I'm early (it appens a lot that too) I wait outside the building because I don't want to impose on someone PS: spaghetti with meatballs is a thing in the middle regions like Lazio, Marche and Abruzzo, but we use smaller meatballs (source: I'm from Rome)
I am German-Canadian. Growing up, if we were invited for a dinner at 6:00 p.m., we would show up at 5:30, and eat promptly at 6:00. When I was all grown up, and inviting non-German friends to have dinner at 6:00, they would show up at 6:30, by which point dinner was cold or ruined. I was sadly naive (and slow on the up-take). It took me quite a while before having a Eureka moment. Now I make it clear what time dinner will be ready, and suggest that company arrive X amount of time before dinner.
I'm American but I use Stefan's definition of on time and I definitely do the get there early and hang out until its time to go up. I think its just respectful of other's time.
For a business or medical appointment you have to be early by several minutes. For a social date, as a guest, I don't arrive before the given time. As a host for a dinner party, I have it if guests come more than ten minutes late, because if I'm cooking a meal, I've timed my preparations for the arrival of the guests, and it's very awkward if some the food suffers by being kept in the stove too long.
My most interesting experience with punctuality was on the Seychelles. There I learned that they don't have any timetable for busses. You just stand there at the bus stop and wait till a bus arrives, without knowing when this will be. The locals all waited in a very relaxed way and didn't seem to be anxious at all. On the other hand, I as a tourist (who didn't have any important appointments besides going to the beach) was quite nervous. It just made me feel kind of uncomfortable not to know whether it would be 1, 10 or 30 more minutes till the bus would arrive or whether it was on time. Imagine living there and really having an important appointment! But probably, attitudes on punctuality are also different on the Seychelles because everyone knows that the busses will arrive at random times.
In France you are aspected to be 15 minutes late when someone invites you for dinner. Just in case they have not finished yet. But you need to excuse yourself anyways.
I always knew I was secretly a French. It really stresses me out when I invite someone to my home for dinner or barbecue and I know they will arrive early or ridicilouly on time. When we meet out, anywhere that is not the home, then I prefer punctuality from both sides.
As an American of German heritage, I'm always early - but I do hang out and wait in my car until about 5 minutes before any meeting. Or wait on a nearby park bench. I worked most of my life as a photographer and always showed up a good half hour early for jobs. And it was always ok for my "customers" to be late as I was at their service. What was interesting over the years, the customers changed over time. In Minnesota, back when I was a young man, they were mostly people of western European ancestry like myself, lots of Swedes, Norwegians, and Germans. But currently Minneapolis has become quite an interesting mix and while I would show up for a photo shoot in a timely manner, they might be as late as 2 hours. I sort of could guess by the ethnicity what to expect. And while I was used to abiding by a pre-signed contract (especially for weddings) some groups would always like to renegotiate the contract kind of the fly or after the fact. But that's another topic! I'm glad to be retired!
We had a tour in Ireland and the driver explained -ish to us. One day the driver was at the hotel punctual on time, but we were not. The group was complete about 20 minutes late. The driver was proud of us as we understood -ish.
I don't have any stereotypes about American punctuality but I do have an idiom relevant to the variety of attitudes towards punctuality: "Sunday morning driver's" or "Sunday driver's" usually expressed by someone trying to be punctual but is stuck behind a driver going very slowly with the implied meaning that 'apparently the Sunday morning driver isn't going anywhere that they need to be punctual'
I'm usually there at least 5 minutes early. I'd rather be there half an hour too early than being 1 minute late. If I'm meeting with friends I understand them being late if it's up to 10 minutes. If they are later than that and haven't contacted me I will text them and then wait for 10-15 minutes more. If I don't have an answer until then I will just leave...
Maybe this is a weird question, but is your profile photo a picture taken in the Munich Hofgarten? The building in the background of the photo looks just like the building in the middle of the Hofgarten in Munich😄😊🌟
I actually once was late for a job interview by 2 minutes many years ago because the street was super confusing and there were no parking spots anywhere near so I had to drive down the super long road, park there and walk all the way there and they didn't even let me come in anymore because I was late. If we plan to meet at 3 and only show up at 3:05 because it's "fashionable" without a real reason, I'm gonna be annoyed at you. Being on time is a matter of respect towards the other person/people. And I'm going to be pissed if it's a group meeting. 1 person being late by 5 minutes making 6 people wait is wasting 30 minutes of time.
at my work place, the first minute of being late for a meeting is free, for every minute later than that you have to pay 1 euro into our piggy bank - and every now and then we meet after work and eat out.
I'm from northern Europe, my boyfriend is American. I very very strongly feel that I need to be ON TIME, whereas he insists it's better to arrive a bit later (for social events and such). That makes me really anxious, I feel horribly rude to not arrive on time! If I'm any more than five minutes late I'd feel bad and apologize, whereas he's like "nah we can get there half an hour late so things will have already gotten started and we don't have to deal with the initial awkwardness while people are still arriving"
Here in France, when you're invited by someone for a dinner for example, we have "le quart d'heure de politesse", which literally means "a quarter hour politeness". Actually, the guest is kind of supposed to arrive 15 min late, with a bottle of wine. This way, the host will be more ready for a better welcome. So French!
I’m a Californian and an American, but mostly I’m me. Friends know by now that if a party invitation says 8 PM. then I am there at 8 PM. They are not ready, of course, and I am put to work putting out food or arranging chairs till the next guest arrives a half hour later. If you want me there at 8:30, tell me so. I’m not typical, however. I don’t care. Even worse, if I’m going to meet someone for drinks at 7- if they’re not there by 7:15, then I leave. Rude? No, because I tell people my little quirk in advance. Maybe they did not realize they are deficient at time management and now they’ll know. Hmm ... my Great Grandparents WERE from Germany.
Firstly, this was very interesting: different people from 3 different cultures talking about punctuality!! It was really exciting learning about all your experience and opinions! Well done! About punctuality : I don't consider Germans as very punctual anymore. We are all people and we all are sometimes late. For me I'm very patient when it comes to waiting, but if people after 5, 6 minutes don't write even a little message, I think it's not that nice. And I also didn't took complaints about Deutsche Bahn too seriously before, when I moved to Germany! 😊
Nationality is not the main issue. In the multinational company I worked, we had "technicians" and "politicians". The former always on time or early, the later mostly late. A newly hired engineer arriving 20 min early and a seasoned buyer would typically be 15 to 30 min late and then go strait to the boss to whisper something in his ear then go to his seat and start unpacking piles of documents. Being late is a way to demonstrate how important you are. Remember Kohl and Mitterand waiting more then 30 min at opposite street corners in Brussel to make sure the other one would arrive first. (after that they agreed to alternate in being the last to arrive) In the Philippines being 90 min late is still acceptable. Only when the invitation mentions that food will be served, everybody will be in time.
There's nothing I hate more than being late or other people being late. And well being late starts at 1 minute for me. I get really annoyed. I always show up 5-10 mintes before and even if I'm there way too early I'll just hang out a bit and go inside when it's just 5 minutes, so no one is bothered and I'm on time. I showed up 1 hour early for my job interview, because it was in another city about 250km away, I didn't know where to go and didn't know where to park. So I just played on my phone till it was time to go in. Same for personal meetings. Just don't show up late or my mood will drop down and I just want to go back home again.
Tbh i heard that Americans are not as punctual when it comes to meeting friends and arrive 30-60 minutes late without telling anyone. I'm glad that this seems to be an exception when i read the comments and saw the video! For me, personally, i would arrive 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late and I would write my friends when running late (6 minutes or more) but it is okay for me if they're up to 15 minutes late 'cause we call it "Die akademische Viertelstunde" which comes from the university starting 15 minutes after every full hour. Other than that i think it's impolite to not give any information about running late. One time a friend overslept due to her work schedule and messaged me one hour after our meeting and i was so angry that she didn't even feel the need to write a message earlier that - after this failed meeting - I called her one hour before our meetings since then so she could say if she will make it or not.
It can get even more complicated to try to be polite. I've been abroad for one year in Vietnam where it's quite common to be a bit late and as a German I am usually trying to be very punctual (for me that means 30 minutes before to be appointment or sharp in time). But then people could be thinking it's rude like the example in the video as you weren't giving the host enough time to prepare. But you also have to consider whether your hosts thinks about you being German, knows the stereotype of you being punctual and therefore expects you to be punctual to be polite. I think there is no one right solution for this.
Great point that even stereotypes on the guests can change the cultural norm for other people! As we say in Italy "whatever you do, you might do it wrong" so talking about it in advance might be a great tool to avoid misunderstanding on punctuality :)
Something not mentioned is making sufficient time for bureaucracy prior to a business meeting. Reception, ID, visitor passes, security checks, finding escorts, etc. just to get to where the meeting is to be held.
I’m American and I like the idea of being on time but I’m always late 🤷🏻♀️ reading through the comments, I honestly would prefer to be 10 minutes late than 30 minutes early. I get really impatient and bored if I am early. I don’t know why I’m always late because I prioritise being on time but there’s always just something that gets in the way. Even if I get ready earlier than I need to, I still wind up being a little late 95% of the time. I worked for a company for a few years that had a 7 minute policy, you could always be 7 minutes late, so I try to keep it to that. As far as alerting people goes, I’m always texting my friends when I am getting ready and when I leave the house whether I’m on time or late I give them real time updates on where I am. For a “professional” appointment I would call if it was 10 minutes late or more. I also weirdly have never heard of American stereotypes with times but it may be because we claim our culture with that. Like, I would say I’m Italian so I’m always late, but I’m Italian in the American sense which means the last person to live in Italy was my great great grandparents, but that’s how we identify with our nationalities in America so I think that’s why there’s not one American stereotype.
I'm American living in the UK. I feel like being there a few minutes early up to about five minutes late is on time (unless it's a party. then you never show up earlier than an hour after the start time). I rely on busses though, so I always end up having to text and say I haven't even left the bus stop yet, because three busses in a row never showed up.
About the trains I had a case, I went from Munich to Heidelberg for the first time. I went to the job interview on time and after I finished the job interview I went back to the train station. When I get there my train that was supposed to be on time got two hours delay.
I think it would have been really interesting to hear what they expect from other people. Do they want them to be punctual as well or is it okay for them if they are a little bit late
In Germany it depends highly on where you are. Just after point might be alright along the Rhine, but when you try the same just a couple hundred kilometres to the east like Westphalia, you might get into trouble when are not a bit early. Also there are huge differences between the cities and the rural areas as well as the generation the people are belonging to.
There was a podcast listener meetup that I was going to once. I was there a few minutes early, but waited in front of the pub until it was the exact time. When I entered the room was already packed and I barely found a seat. :D (I'm from Austria. It was a podcast meetup with several podcasters from Austria and the people from No Such Thing as a Fish. So maybe because of that people wanted to be there on time.)
"...at what point would you start to feel anxious?" "20 minutes." 😲 Oh dear. I deal, regularly, with an organization with which, as soon as you're 20 minutes late, you've lost the appointment and you have to reschedule.
In Canada you show up to a business appointment 1 to 2 minutes early. Not 10 min early to cause a distraction and never, ever being slightly late. I prefer to show up for work a bit earlier to make sure my work space is organized so I can hit the ground running on time. Consistency, pumctuality and respect for others time is highly prized. Be there or be square.
I always try to be on time. If the appointment is at 10, I will always be there early. I don't like to be late and I usually hold the person I'm meeting to the time also. If I find myself running late I will call or text the person to let them know I'm late. Even if I'm only a minute or two late. This will be whether I'm meeting a friend or if it's an interview or for business.
Hm I am German, through and through, but I am not the most punctual person and tend to be always late, which I feel is not great. So I supposte it is a "(stereo)typical Stereotype" that ALL Germans are always on time. Same is true, regarding crossing at red light, etc. So I do not give very much on stereotypes at all. Nevertheless thank you very much for pointing out the podcast of Carmen and Sarah, which is really fun to listen. :-) Have fun, Otto
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As an American, I just keep thinking about getting to work -- if I'm more than five minutes late, I'll call and let them know I'm running late. If fewer (3-4 minutes) I'll slip in and hope no one noticed. I am anxious if my GPS says I'll be there 2 minutes early or less (cuz traffic will always get in the way. That isn't enough buffer to ensure I'm not late.) It's ideal to arrive 5-10 minutes early.
With my marching band, they pounded into us if you're not 15 minutes early you are late. Our saying was "early is on time, on time is late, and late is unspeakable." I still live by this saying. I'll hang out in my car, grab a coffee, or walk around until it is time for me to be there. I had to go to the Swiss government's top check-in as being a citizen in Switzerland. The government gave me the appointment time of 1:30. I get there at 1:15 and the building was locked. I waited until 3:00 until they opened. I was left out in the freezing cold for this entire time. I expressed my displeasure and they said: "Americans are always late." I said apparently that isn't true. I stress out if I'm on time. I'm not sure this is true with Spaniards, but Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Spanish speaking countries in Central America, and South America are pretty late all the time. I found out the reason why. In their culture, if they are on time or early they are considered to be really poor basically beggers. Since this is the way it is they are 20-30 minutes late. When my mom was selling my childhood house the first people to look at it were from Cuba. They purchased the house. A week before my mom turned over the key they wanted to do a walkthrough (totally normal in the US). They were 3 hours late to the agreed-upon time. My mom had an appointment and went to it. The buyers were pissed because my mom wasn't there. They said they expected my mom to sit at her house and wait for them. Their excuse for being late was they didn't want to look to eager to buy the house.
Thank you for that. I shouldn't say the Swiss government as a whole. It was Basel Land that was like this. Needless to say, my Swiss husband had a few words for the Basel Land government. This was the 2nd time that I found out to never piss off a Swiss.
Yeah, perhaps. But I'm really not sure if this is just a "me thing" or not😅😁 I hope maybe some other Americans watching will comment on if they also see it this way, or differently :)
@@WantedAdventure I think that many countries on earth see statements of appointed times not as srictly as Germans to, it's just a thing of mentality, so when we say 4pm sharp, then 4:05 is too late, although in many other countries, anything between 3:45 to 4:30 may be acceptable, or something like that. I also think this German trait of punctuality has maybe a bit rubbed off on you (or did you see it the same way, as you've described it in the video, before you have been living in Germany?)
Die „akademische Viertelstunde“ ist für mich ein guter Richtwert. Es kommt natürlich auf der Termin an (wenn ich einen Vortrag halte oder ein Vorstellungsgespräch habe, würde ich auf jeden Fall pünktlich bzw etwas früher da sein), aber grundsätzlich finde ich alles bis 15 Minuten zu spät ok 😊
I suppose we Germans are prepared to always be there on time or on time for an appointment. I agree with Stefan! PS: Swiss trains are always on time in Europe! The most punctual train in Europe.
I am an interesting mix between you and Stephan regarding being on time. I am usually available and in the area by the time I am expected. As for as American stereotypes, the Hawaiian trope is that on time is up to 30-45 min after the scheduled time. It even has a phrase "they are running on Hawaiian time"
The older generation in Austria seems to have a notion that being punctual means to be early. My grandma used to overdo it grossly. Like, she'd be there half an hour early, and when you arrived ten minutes early, she'd already be cross because she had waited twenty minutes! I personally like to be exactly on time or maybe five minutes late, and I find I often have to wait. Especially my female friends seem to think nothing of being half an hour late, and will maybe text me if it gets to be fifty minutes or so 😆
I try to be on time always, but with friends I think 5-10 min late is not an issue. Most of my friends run a little late too, so in the end, we arrive at almost the same time, and nobody has to wait 😄
Yeah. I cannot see the sense in friends who take offense to me for _being on time._ My attitude would be, "You didn't have time to _prepare?_ Why didn't you _start_ sooner?"
The 3 trips we have made to Germany from the USA we have found the trains to be extremely punctual. I laughed when you said the Germans complain about them being late. Obviously, they have never been on a train here. We have traveled on Amtrak several times and I don't think we were on time even once. The last trip we took with them we were delayed 24 hours!
My German wife was rarely punctual...it drove me crazy to have to wait a half hour or more for her to pick me up somewhere. She had a memorable saying that people who are "überpünktlich" (over-punctual) are people who don't have enough to do....she couldn't stand to lose ten minutes if her "precious" time by being somewhere early for an appointment....
On time means you arrived at least 5-15 minutes early and have alerted the secretary or organizer and have been seated to wait on the person you have an appointment with. This gives you time to fill out any necessary forms or maybe they can take you a few minutes prior to the scheduled time to keep up with demands. I’m from the United States.
Good morning Dana, As soon as I know i will not be in time i ride a message or call the other person. Because it is a kind of respect for the other person. For business meetings i try always to be there 10 Minutes before, for meetings with friends just a few minutes before. I try to figure out how long I will need to be there plus around 15 minutes for the possible traffic and things that could happened!!
I also live abroad and for me it is always fascinating to see the differences in cultures. I love being human and I’m glad that I can experience it. PS: Dana, your book was an amazing read! I haven’t read such a funny German-written book in years; in fact I never have. It has this entertaining and energetic American style I love. Thank you!
There is also a thing called „Akademische Viertelstunde“ which means a lecture scheduled at 9 will begin a quarter of an hour later. Most of the time it is written „9 c.t.“, c.t. meaning „cum tempore“. If it is meant to be punctually, it is advertised as „s.t.“ sine tempore.
I so get Stefan. I'm exactly like that and I'm Canadian (German/Austrian-Canadian). As for American punctuality, I've never heard anything. Not Canadians either. But Southern Europeans, absolutely. Obviously a stereotype. 🇨🇦 🥌
Actually, the Deutsche Bahn only started deteriorating only after privatization in the 90s, so before that they were a paragon of punctuality and even advertized with things like "we cannot be deterred by any weather", and now if there's one snow flake too much on the tracks, it'll get delayed, or if the summer day is too hot, the AC stops working, while modern trains don't have windows to open (which is understandable at 200+ km/h), so people start suffering and it has occasionally already become a life-threatening situation for some of the passengers. So yeah, Deutsche Bahn, you suck because you're a private company now (still fully held by the Federal Republic of Germany though, so there wasn't even a reason to privatize as in make it an actual private company).
@@nebucamv5524 But it isn't (also, it's hardly possible with infrastructure, after all it was built with taxpayer's money in the first place), and therein lies the problem.
I am 75% german 15% italian and I'm almost always late, at least 10 minutes maybe more. That seems to be a thing in the german site of my family because my mom is also always late and her mom (my grandma) is always late too.. so I kinda blame it on that, lol. I just laugh so hard everytime people say that germans, especially the deutsche Bahn, are always on time or punctual.
I am Albanian from Kosovo but I always 15 minutes before the meeting, interview and so on. With friends it depends if a friend is in a coffee when they called me I went there in five minutes because it takes that much to go to the coffee shop. But here in Germany, technically, I have no friends so I I do not have any idea
10 minutes early is 5 minutes late for business and doctors etc. For family it depends if I like them. ;-) For Church 30 minutes early, because that is when all the fun talking takes place.
It depends if it is a business meeting. I had the horrible experience bei g invited for a dinner at 18.00 in Taiwan with the University president. As a German I did not expect that you will start to eat at 18.00 and I arrived at 17,59. Everybody was staring at me for being so late. Taiwanese unlike Spaniards and even to a smaller degree Germans invite you for dinner, not for drinks or something like this. I expected we all would gather at the table, have some drinks and native eat at 19 or 1930. Still early
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Want to feed your stereotypes? :-) A friend of mine who lived in Greece had once needed an electrician to come into his house there, in order to repair something. About 2 hours after the appointed time, when the mechanic still had not arrived, my friend tried to call him on the phone. My friend explained to me that it would be considered a little rude if he had called any earlier. A few hours later he could reach him on the phone. On the next day the mechanic actually arrived. It was hardly any reason to complain. True story, I have been there.
I'm German, but I'm naturally not that puncual. For me, being on time means being somewhere at the time I have to be there or up to 2 minutes earlier or later. Being puncual is more of a personality trait or lifestyle. Always being somewhere 10 to 30 minutes too early. If I'm running more than 3 or 4 minutes late, I'm letting the person I'm meeting know. Even as a German I HATE people who arrive at your house 15 to 90 minutes early, I think it is extremely rude, because you probably have other things to do & can't really ~not~ open the door. So basically, you agreed on a time, but the guest is way too early (usually deliberately so), but you have to entertain them although you still have stuff to do. If I happen to be more than 10 minutes early at a friend's house, I walk around & wait until I'm considering it a polite time to "arrive".
I don't like anyone waiting for me. I'm German in that regard. I'd be more like Stephen. I am 2nd and 3rd generation german, Norwegian, Swedish American who all believed it was rude to keep anyone waiting.
I am currently trying to force myself to be late, because people keep me waiting - and sometimes you already know person xy is going to be late. I tried now twice and was walking up and down at home before I left and still did end up being earlier than the other person. Most German thing ever.... (I am a German living in a sub saharan african country 🙈)
In Germany i noticed most of the people arrive 5 - 10 minutes earlier, but i have friends from south america who are ALLWAYS about 15 to 30 minutes late. So we beginn to make the appointments with them earlier 😅🤣🤣 If i was late i often heard: „Pünktlichkeit ist die Höflichkeit der Könige“ because a King don’t have to show respect to anyone so he do by being punctual. 👍❤️
There are som german sayings about that topic first is pünklichkeit ist die höflichkeit der könige,second is 5 minuten vor der zeit ist des soldaten höflichkeit.
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I try to be punctual especially if I set the time but generally everyone is late. After an hour I get really itchy and try to find out what happened.another 15 minutes I give up . They usually contact me later that day that they either forgot or had something else to do. ha ha
I consider up to 20 minutes to be "on time" for friends. For work, i think up to 5 minutes late still works reasonably well. As for stereotypes regarding American punctuality .. no, there is none. There are an abundance about American body types and fashion/food sense .. but nothing about punctuality.
I guess thats because for punctuality, americans are kinda in the middle - not beeing too strict (aka, aiming to arive ~20min earlier) or too relaxed (aka having no problem beeing ~20min late). So whilst it may for sure be different from how other cultures handle it, not many stereotypes arise around the percieved middle-ground, because it may still be in an acceptable frame and there are cultures that do it "worse". And maybe there are other things that are seen as more important and thuss are rather used to stereotype people from a certain culture.
Fünf Minuten vor der Zeit, ist des Soldaten Pünktlichkeit. Nur das Sanitäter kommt 10 Minuten später. (Five minutes ahead of schedule is the soldier's punctuality. Only the medic comes 10 minutes late.) rhymes killed in translation, 5 minutes earlier is on time. only medical help is always late or at least it feels like that.
I'm German but studying in Sicily at the moment and it's the same here. I think trains here are generally quite punctual and usually don't have much delay but the buses come and go whenever they want. You regularly have to wait somewhere for over an hour if you're unlucky just because the bus didn't show up at all. And I feel like Sicilians are generally at least 15 minutes late. I'm not always exactly on time either but as a kid I was always told how important punctuality is and I can't seem to shake that. So even if I know exactly that the Sicilians are going to be late, I'm always (mostly) in time and end up waiting for half an hour
I've also been to Australia and I have to say the experiences I've made with Australian public transport weren't that bad. But maybe I was just lucky. I guess it's different for somebody who's been living there for a long time 😅
The stereotype about southern European countries I've heard is summed up in this phrase: "Komm' ich heut nicht, komm' ich morgen". - But then, there's another fun fact I've heard about Africans. They say about us Europeans: "You've got the clocks, we've got the time" ;-)
Honestly, I think the stereotypes don’t apply to all of Americans because of the melting pot of cultures we have and we will apply the stereotypes of other nations to ourselves based on our known cultural backgrounds.
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The most profound insights in our time perspective, I got from Philip Zimbardo. This is the ultra short version: ruclips.net/video/bo4HiVetBd0/видео.html There are longer in depth videos and a book about it from him.
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If you agreed to meet friends at 5pm, what time would it feel good for you to arrive? Would your answer be different if it's a work meeting, rather than meeting friends?
5pm sharp. If it's work a little earlier just in case.
At 5 pm +/- 2 Minutes. I don't like to wait, so I wouldn't be there too early. 🇩🇪 My husband was educated to be much too early (in my opinion). 😂
4:55-5:05 friends...work meeting 4:50-4:55...someone coming late to a work meeting without a good cause...an absolute No Go!!! and even coming late meeting friends...then you should have said...let‘s meet 17:15...if the work meeting starts at 5pm ...it starts and not waiting others to take of coats etc.
5.10
4:55 - 5 when meeting with friends. I would want to arrive at the address at about 4:45 for any other appointment but not go in until 4:55.
heh. I've seen government level meetings and the national stereotypes play out all the time. For a meeting at 3pm the Kiwis, Aussies, and Japanese will all show up 5-10 minutes early and be well prepared. The British will show up 5 minutes either side and apologise if they're late. The Americans will be 10-15 minutes either side and never apologise if late. The Germans will show up 5-30 minutes before. If there's a chance they will be late they will contact everyone and apologise. The French will *always* be 3-6 minutes late. I don't know how they do it, but it's *always* 3-6 minutes late. The Italians may or may not show up at all, but they will never be less than 15 minutes late. 50/50 chance they forget entirely and just don't appear. I've been to meetings *they've* been hosting and they forgot to show up.
You forgot about the Spanish jaja. Here in Spain it’s uncommon to show up early.
To be in time has, for Germans, to do with respect towards the Person(s) you meet.
I sing in an international choir. And the Germans mostly are on time (or early) and the others (especially the Arabs) were at least 15-30 minutes late in the beginning. This got so extrem that we told different nationalities different starting times so everybody would arive on roughly the same time. ^^
Another interesting thing I've noticed:
For Germans it's impolite to be late and if a German was late they would quietly find a place and start participating in the rehearsal. Greeting people would take time and was avoided in order not to disturb the rehearsal.
When an Arab was late they would go around, shake everybodies hand and ask how everybody was doing. It could take up to 5 minutes of rehearsal time. But for them not doing that would have been impolite.
Really interesting points!
Many Asian People will probably rather send you to some Destination UNknown (and surely WRONG), than admitting to you, that they do NOT know the Way or where the Place is. Since they think telling someone a "No , sorry ( I don´t know)" would be IMpolite ! ...SIGH
I am German and agree with Stefan's statements on this issue.
I am so damn German that I get nervous if I am as much as 2 minutes late 😅 at university, I would rather take an earlier train an be there 50 minutes early than to take the later one and be 10 minutes late 🙈😂
😊🌟🌸🌸Do you think you usually write people and let them know if you're going to be 2 minutes late?
@@WantedAdventure yes, if I know that I won't make it right on time I'll usually write something like 'I'll be a few minutes late' even if I hurry up so much that I arrive only 1 or 2 minutes late 😅 and it actually stresses me out quite a bit, so I am currently trying to be a little more relaxed about it, but I haven't quite managed to keep my cool yet 😄
@@windhirsch I often get into a conflict of interest in such a situation, being that messaging about me being delayed would delay me even further.
Punctuality is something I'm absolutely German about. I've never been late in my life yet. So I don't know this feeling of being late. But I always get a bit nervous if I approx. gonna be there somewhere in between 5 minutes early and right in time.
Also I'm rather 4 hours early than risking running late because of DB or traffic jam.
What USE is it to WRITE People, when you´re prospectively being late ? 8-/ The postal Delivery Service surely does NOT hand over the Letter RIGHT in Time.
I've actually done a dry run before major appointments, such as job interviews. I prefer things to be run punctually.
There's this German proverb: "Pünktlichkeit ist die Höflichkeit der Könige" - punctuality is the politeness of kings' And that's very much how I feel it. Depending on the distance I have to drive for a meeting and the traffic conditions, I plan to arrive 15 to 30 minutes early, because there can always be traffic jams or with public transportation you may always encounter delays, not catching a connection etc. I'd rather wait 30 minutes than to appear just one minute late. And I will always have the phone number to call the person I'm going to meet, just in case my calculations were wrong or something unexpexted happens.
My perception of other people running late depends on the circumstances. If someone has a two-hour drive or is unfamiliar with the place of the meeting and shows up 15 minutes late, that's totally fine for me, or if they call me and tell me they will be late by app. XY minutes. Not notifying me, showing up more than 15 minutes late or even not showing up at all is very rude imo.
I had a (German as me ) friend in Gymnasium (highschool) which would always be late by 5 minutes, which annoyed me as f*ck, because we then missed the tram or got bad seats in cinema etc. I got rid if the problem by telling her to be there 5 minutes before the actual time. Worked perfectly.
About the association with the region of food: What's with the americans? In Germany I never really call it "American Burger" I never call it "Italian Pasta" but in America it's German sausage (which one?) Italian Sausage (which one?) French Toast (?) and so on. And I never heard someone say Texan BBQ... It's BBQ or Grillen here...
I'm from the US and I was taught at an early age to be On Time if not early because it's rude to
keep someone waiting. If it's 5 minutes until the time and I see I'm going to be late I usually call and give them the option of doing it another time.
Hi, I'm italian and I have yo make a confession: I'm one of those people who is frequently late (even for italian standard)! But it's true what she said, for example if you're late at a party, here in Italy (at least in the Center/South), it's perfectly fine (even an hour late, sometimes), but if you're early it's almost rude because people may be still prepping things. I do math private lessons and if the student is early it's such an inconvenience for me... every time I'm early (it appens a lot that too) I wait outside the building because I don't want to impose on someone
PS: spaghetti with meatballs is a thing in the middle regions like Lazio, Marche and Abruzzo, but we use smaller meatballs (source: I'm from Rome)
I am German-Canadian. Growing up, if we were invited for a dinner at 6:00 p.m., we would show up at 5:30, and eat promptly at 6:00. When I was all grown up, and inviting non-German friends to have dinner at 6:00, they would show up at 6:30, by which point dinner was cold or ruined.
I was sadly naive (and slow on the up-take). It took me quite a while before having a Eureka moment. Now I make it clear what time dinner will be ready, and suggest that company arrive X amount of time before dinner.
I'm American but I use Stefan's definition of on time and I definitely do the get there early and hang out until its time to go up. I think its just respectful of other's time.
For a business or medical appointment you have to be early by several minutes. For a social date, as a guest, I don't arrive before the given time. As a host for a dinner party, I have it if guests come more than ten minutes late, because if I'm cooking a meal, I've timed my preparations for the arrival of the guests, and it's very awkward if some the food suffers by being kept in the stove too long.
My most interesting experience with punctuality was on the Seychelles. There I learned that they don't have any timetable for busses. You just stand there at the bus stop and wait till a bus arrives, without knowing when this will be. The locals all waited in a very relaxed way and didn't seem to be anxious at all. On the other hand, I as a tourist (who didn't have any important appointments besides going to the beach) was quite nervous. It just made me feel kind of uncomfortable not to know whether it would be 1, 10 or 30 more minutes till the bus would arrive or whether it was on time. Imagine living there and really having an important appointment! But probably, attitudes on punctuality are also different on the Seychelles because everyone knows that the busses will arrive at random times.
In France you are aspected to be 15 minutes late when someone invites you for dinner. Just in case they have not finished yet. But you need to excuse yourself anyways.
I'm Albanian living in Germany.When there is an appointment in 5 o'clock,Albanians would come at 6 or 7 o'clock.
I always knew I was secretly a French. It really stresses me out when I invite someone to my home for dinner or barbecue and I know they will arrive early or ridicilouly on time.
When we meet out, anywhere that is not the home, then I prefer punctuality from both sides.
As an American of German heritage, I'm always early - but I do hang out and wait in my car until about 5 minutes before any meeting. Or wait on a nearby park bench. I worked most of my life as a photographer and always showed up a good half hour early for jobs. And it was always ok for my "customers" to be late as I was at their service. What was interesting over the years, the customers changed over time. In Minnesota, back when I was a young man, they were mostly people of western European ancestry like myself, lots of Swedes, Norwegians, and Germans. But currently Minneapolis has become quite an interesting mix and while I would show up for a photo shoot in a timely manner, they might be as late as 2 hours. I sort of could guess by the ethnicity what to expect. And while I was used to abiding by a pre-signed contract (especially for weddings) some groups would always like to renegotiate the contract kind of the fly or after the fact. But that's another topic! I'm glad to be retired!
We had a tour in Ireland and the driver explained -ish to us. One day the driver was at the hotel punctual on time, but we were not. The group was complete about 20 minutes late. The driver was proud of us as we understood -ish.
I don't have any stereotypes about American punctuality but I do have an idiom relevant to the variety of attitudes towards punctuality: "Sunday morning driver's" or "Sunday driver's" usually expressed by someone trying to be punctual but is stuck behind a driver going very slowly with the implied meaning that 'apparently the Sunday morning driver isn't going anywhere that they need to be punctual'
I'm usually there at least 5 minutes early. I'd rather be there half an hour too early than being 1 minute late.
If I'm meeting with friends I understand them being late if it's up to 10 minutes. If they are later than that and haven't contacted me I will text them and then wait for 10-15 minutes more. If I don't have an answer until then I will just leave...
Maybe this is a weird question, but is your profile photo a picture taken in the Munich Hofgarten? The building in the background of the photo looks just like the building in the middle of the Hofgarten in Munich😄😊🌟
@@WantedAdventure Yes it is^^
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I actually once was late for a job interview by 2 minutes many years ago because the street was super confusing and there were no parking spots anywhere near so I had to drive down the super long road, park there and walk all the way there and they didn't even let me come in anymore because I was late.
If we plan to meet at 3 and only show up at 3:05 because it's "fashionable" without a real reason, I'm gonna be annoyed at you. Being on time is a matter of respect towards the other person/people. And I'm going to be pissed if it's a group meeting. 1 person being late by 5 minutes making 6 people wait is wasting 30 minutes of time.
at my work place, the first minute of being late for a meeting is free, for every minute later than that you have to pay 1 euro into our piggy bank - and every now and then we meet after work and eat out.
I'm from northern Europe, my boyfriend is American. I very very strongly feel that I need to be ON TIME, whereas he insists it's better to arrive a bit later (for social events and such). That makes me really anxious, I feel horribly rude to not arrive on time! If I'm any more than five minutes late I'd feel bad and apologize, whereas he's like "nah we can get there half an hour late so things will have already gotten started and we don't have to deal with the initial awkwardness while people are still arriving"
Here in France, when you're invited by someone for a dinner for example, we have "le quart d'heure de politesse", which literally means "a quarter hour politeness". Actually, the guest is kind of supposed to arrive 15 min late, with a bottle of wine. This way, the host will be more ready for a better welcome. So French!
I’m a Californian and an American, but mostly I’m me. Friends know by now that if a party invitation says 8 PM. then I am there at 8 PM. They are not ready, of course, and I am put to work putting out food or arranging chairs till the next guest arrives a half hour later. If you want me there at 8:30, tell me so.
I’m not typical, however. I don’t care. Even worse, if I’m going to meet someone for drinks at 7- if they’re not there by 7:15, then I leave. Rude? No, because I tell people my little quirk in advance. Maybe they did not realize they are deficient at time management and now they’ll know.
Hmm ... my Great Grandparents WERE from Germany.
Firstly, this was very interesting: different people from 3 different cultures talking about punctuality!! It was really exciting learning about all your experience and opinions! Well done!
About punctuality : I don't consider Germans as very punctual anymore. We are all people and we all are sometimes late. For me I'm very patient when it comes to waiting, but if people after 5, 6 minutes don't write even a little message, I think it's not that nice.
And I also didn't took complaints about Deutsche Bahn too seriously before, when I moved to Germany! 😊
Nationality is not the main issue. In the multinational company I worked, we had "technicians" and "politicians". The former always on time or early, the later mostly late. A newly hired engineer arriving 20 min early and a seasoned buyer would typically be 15 to 30 min late and then go strait to the boss to whisper something in his ear then go to his seat and start unpacking piles of documents.
Being late is a way to demonstrate how important you are. Remember Kohl and Mitterand waiting more then 30 min at opposite street corners in Brussel to make sure the other one would arrive first. (after that they agreed to alternate in being the last to arrive)
In the Philippines being 90 min late is still acceptable. Only when the invitation mentions that food will be served, everybody will be in time.
There's nothing I hate more than being late or other people being late. And well being late starts at 1 minute for me. I get really annoyed. I always show up 5-10 mintes before and even if I'm there way too early I'll just hang out a bit and go inside when it's just 5 minutes, so no one is bothered and I'm on time. I showed up 1 hour early for my job interview, because it was in another city about 250km away, I didn't know where to go and didn't know where to park. So I just played on my phone till it was time to go in. Same for personal meetings. Just don't show up late or my mood will drop down and I just want to go back home again.
Tbh i heard that Americans are not as punctual when it comes to meeting friends and arrive 30-60 minutes late without telling anyone. I'm glad that this seems to be an exception when i read the comments and saw the video!
For me, personally, i would arrive 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late and I would write my friends when running late (6 minutes or more) but it is okay for me if they're up to 15 minutes late 'cause we call it "Die akademische Viertelstunde" which comes from the university starting 15 minutes after every full hour. Other than that i think it's impolite to not give any information about running late.
One time a friend overslept due to her work schedule and messaged me one hour after our meeting and i was so angry that she didn't even feel the need to write a message earlier that - after this failed meeting - I called her one hour before our meetings since then so she could say if she will make it or not.
Pünktlichkeit ist mir SEHR wichtig! :)
I already start to feel anxious if I'm 5 minutes early sometimes 😂
It can get even more complicated to try to be polite. I've been abroad for one year in Vietnam where it's quite common to be a bit late and as a German I am usually trying to be very punctual (for me that means 30 minutes before to be appointment or sharp in time). But then people could be thinking it's rude like the example in the video as you weren't giving the host enough time to prepare. But you also have to consider whether your hosts thinks about you being German, knows the stereotype of you being punctual and therefore expects you to be punctual to be polite. I think there is no one right solution for this.
Great point that even stereotypes on the guests can change the cultural norm for other people! As we say in Italy "whatever you do, you might do it wrong" so talking about it in advance might be a great tool to avoid misunderstanding on punctuality :)
Something not mentioned is making sufficient time for bureaucracy prior to a business meeting. Reception, ID, visitor passes, security checks, finding escorts, etc. just to get to where the meeting is to be held.
Oh that's super interesting! How much time would you say you usually account for that?
@@WantedAdventure depends on the place. Up to half hour in a secure facility. 15 min for most factories
I’m American and I like the idea of being on time but I’m always late 🤷🏻♀️ reading through the comments, I honestly would prefer to be 10 minutes late than 30 minutes early. I get really impatient and bored if I am early. I don’t know why I’m always late because I prioritise being on time but there’s always just something that gets in the way. Even if I get ready earlier than I need to, I still wind up being a little late 95% of the time. I worked for a company for a few years that had a 7 minute policy, you could always be 7 minutes late, so I try to keep it to that. As far as alerting people goes, I’m always texting my friends when I am getting ready and when I leave the house whether I’m on time or late I give them real time updates on where I am. For a “professional” appointment I would call if it was 10 minutes late or more. I also weirdly have never heard of American stereotypes with times but it may be because we claim our culture with that. Like, I would say I’m Italian so I’m always late, but I’m Italian in the American sense which means the last person to live in Italy was my great great grandparents, but that’s how we identify with our nationalities in America so I think that’s why there’s not one American stereotype.
I'm American living in the UK. I feel like being there a few minutes early up to about five minutes late is on time (unless it's a party. then you never show up earlier than an hour after the start time). I rely on busses though, so I always end up having to text and say I haven't even left the bus stop yet, because three busses in a row never showed up.
About the trains I had a case, I went from Munich to Heidelberg for the first time. I went to the job interview on time and after I finished the job interview I went back to the train station. When I get there my train that was supposed to be on time got two hours delay.
I think it would have been really interesting to hear what they expect from other people. Do they want them to be punctual as well or is it okay for them if they are a little bit late
In Germany it depends highly on where you are. Just after point might be alright along the Rhine, but when you try the same just a couple hundred kilometres to the east like Westphalia, you might get into trouble when are not a bit early. Also there are huge differences between the cities and the rural areas as well as the generation the people are belonging to.
I understand Stefan's hotel story way to well. Being on time is so important to me no matter what it is. And that's not always a good thing.
There was a podcast listener meetup that I was going to once. I was there a few minutes early, but waited in front of the pub until it was the exact time. When I entered the room was already packed and I barely found a seat. :D (I'm from Austria. It was a podcast meetup with several podcasters from Austria and the people from No Such Thing as a Fish. So maybe because of that people wanted to be there on time.)
In the Navy, they taught us, if you're _walking_ somewhere and you want to get there on time, aim to arrive 15 minutes early.
"...at what point would you start to feel anxious?"
"20 minutes."
😲 Oh dear. I deal, regularly, with an organization with which, as soon as you're 20 minutes late, you've lost the appointment and you have to reschedule.
In Canada you show up to a business appointment 1 to 2 minutes early. Not 10 min early to cause a distraction and never, ever being slightly late. I prefer to show up for work a bit earlier to make sure my work space is organized so I can hit the ground running on time. Consistency, pumctuality and respect for others time is highly prized. Be there or be square.
I always try to be on time. If the appointment is at 10, I will always be there early. I don't like to be late and I usually hold the person I'm meeting to the time also. If I find myself running late I will call or text the person to let them know I'm late. Even if I'm only a minute or two late. This will be whether I'm meeting a friend or if it's an interview or for business.
I forgot to include that I'm from the US and I was raised to be punctual.
Hm I am German, through and through, but I am not the most punctual person and tend to be always late, which I feel is not great. So I supposte it is a "(stereo)typical Stereotype" that ALL Germans are always on time. Same is true, regarding crossing at red light, etc.
So I do not give very much on stereotypes at all.
Nevertheless thank you very much for pointing out the podcast of Carmen and Sarah, which is really fun to listen. :-)
Have fun, Otto
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As an American, I just keep thinking about getting to work -- if I'm more than five minutes late, I'll call and let them know I'm running late. If fewer (3-4 minutes) I'll slip in and hope no one noticed. I am anxious if my GPS says I'll be there 2 minutes early or less (cuz traffic will always get in the way. That isn't enough buffer to ensure I'm not late.) It's ideal to arrive 5-10 minutes early.
With my marching band, they pounded into us if you're not 15 minutes early you are late. Our saying was "early is on time, on time is late, and late is unspeakable." I still live by this saying. I'll hang out in my car, grab a coffee, or walk around until it is time for me to be there.
I had to go to the Swiss government's top check-in as being a citizen in Switzerland. The government gave me the appointment time of 1:30. I get there at 1:15 and the building was locked. I waited until 3:00 until they opened. I was left out in the freezing cold for this entire time. I expressed my displeasure and they said: "Americans are always late." I said apparently that isn't true. I stress out if I'm on time.
I'm not sure this is true with Spaniards, but Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Spanish speaking countries in Central America, and South America are pretty late all the time. I found out the reason why. In their culture, if they are on time or early they are considered to be really poor basically beggers. Since this is the way it is they are 20-30 minutes late. When my mom was selling my childhood house the first people to look at it were from Cuba. They purchased the house. A week before my mom turned over the key they wanted to do a walkthrough (totally normal in the US). They were 3 hours late to the agreed-upon time. My mom had an appointment and went to it. The buyers were pissed because my mom wasn't there. They said they expected my mom to sit at her house and wait for them. Their excuse for being late was they didn't want to look to eager to buy the house.
I'm Swiss and I am appalled at how you've been treated!
Thank you for that. I shouldn't say the Swiss government as a whole. It was Basel Land that was like this. Needless to say, my Swiss husband had a few words for the Basel Land government. This was the 2nd time that I found out to never piss off a Swiss.
About "on time" vs. "punctual" - so if what Dana says is valid for all Americans, then "on time" for Americans means "roughly around that time" ;-)
Yeah, perhaps. But I'm really not sure if this is just a "me thing" or not😅😁 I hope maybe some other Americans watching will comment on if they also see it this way, or differently :)
@@WantedAdventure I think that many countries on earth see statements of appointed times not as srictly as Germans to, it's just a thing of mentality, so when we say 4pm sharp, then 4:05 is too late, although in many other countries, anything between 3:45 to 4:30 may be acceptable, or something like that. I also think this German trait of punctuality has maybe a bit rubbed off on you (or did you see it the same way, as you've described it in the video, before you have been living in Germany?)
I usually am 5 minutes early but it is no problem for me, if friends are 5 to 10 minutes late.
I like to be 5-10 minutes early, and I would rather be 15 minutes early then 2 minutes late which would make me anxious.
Die „akademische Viertelstunde“ ist für mich ein guter Richtwert. Es kommt natürlich auf der Termin an (wenn ich einen Vortrag halte oder ein Vorstellungsgespräch habe, würde ich auf jeden Fall pünktlich bzw etwas früher da sein), aber grundsätzlich finde ich alles bis 15 Minuten zu spät ok 😊
I suppose we Germans are prepared to always be there on time or on time for an appointment.
I agree with Stefan! PS: Swiss trains are always on time in Europe! The most punctual train in Europe.
I am an interesting mix between you and Stephan regarding being on time. I am usually available and in the area by the time I am expected.
As for as American stereotypes, the Hawaiian trope is that on time is up to 30-45 min after the scheduled time. It even has a phrase "they are running on Hawaiian time"
The older generation in Austria seems to have a notion that being punctual means to be early. My grandma used to overdo it grossly. Like, she'd be there half an hour early, and when you arrived ten minutes early, she'd already be cross because she had waited twenty minutes!
I personally like to be exactly on time or maybe five minutes late, and I find I often have to wait. Especially my female friends seem to think nothing of being half an hour late, and will maybe text me if it gets to be fifty minutes or so 😆
I try to be on time always, but with friends I think 5-10 min late is not an issue. Most of my friends run a little late too, so in the end, we arrive at almost the same time, and nobody has to wait 😄
Yeah. I cannot see the sense in friends who take offense to me for _being on time._ My attitude would be, "You didn't have time to _prepare?_ Why didn't you _start_ sooner?"
The 3 trips we have made to Germany from the USA we have found the trains to be extremely punctual. I laughed when you said the Germans complain about them being late. Obviously, they have never been on a train here. We have traveled on Amtrak several times and I don't think we were on time even once. The last trip we took with them we were delayed 24 hours!
My German wife was rarely punctual...it drove me crazy to have to wait a half hour or more for her to pick me up somewhere. She had a memorable saying that people who are "überpünktlich" (over-punctual) are people who don't have enough to do....she couldn't stand to lose ten minutes if her "precious" time by being somewhere early for an appointment....
On time means you arrived at least 5-15 minutes early and have alerted the secretary or organizer and have been seated to wait on the person you have an appointment with. This gives you time to fill out any necessary forms or maybe they can take you a few minutes prior to the scheduled time to keep up with demands. I’m from the United States.
Punctuality is your ability to be on time consistently. Some people have trouble with it.
Good morning Dana,
As soon as I know i will not be in time i ride a message or call the other person. Because it is a kind of respect for the other person. For business meetings i try always to be there 10 Minutes before, for meetings with friends just a few minutes before. I try to figure out how long I will need to be there plus around 15 minutes for the possible traffic and things that could happened!!
die Deutsche Bahn hat nur vier Feinde: Frühling, Sommer, Herbst und Winter.
😳 It was... _160 minutes late?_ Why in the world were people still _waiting_ for it, then?
DE: “15 Minuten vor der Zeit, ist militärische Pünktlichkeit.” EN: “15 Minutes before time, is military punctuality”
I also live abroad and for me it is always fascinating to see the differences in cultures. I love being human and I’m glad that I can experience it.
PS: Dana, your book was an amazing read! I haven’t read such a funny German-written book in years; in fact I never have. It has this entertaining and energetic American style I love. Thank you!
There is also a thing called „Akademische Viertelstunde“ which means a lecture scheduled at 9 will begin a quarter of an hour later. Most of the time it is written „9 c.t.“, c.t. meaning „cum tempore“. If it is meant to be punctually, it is advertised as „s.t.“ sine tempore.
I only know: "5 Minuten vor der Zeit ist die wahre Pünktlichkeit." - "5 minutes early is true punctuality."
"FÜNF Minuten vor der Zeit ist des Soldaten Pünktlichkeit."
Nur der Sanitäter kommt zehn Minuten später.
But the paramedic boy
Arrives ten minutes later, though
If I cannot arrive on time and not than 10 minutes late I call my friends noting that I am going to be late.
I so get Stefan. I'm exactly like that and I'm Canadian (German/Austrian-Canadian). As for American punctuality, I've never heard anything. Not Canadians either. But Southern Europeans, absolutely. Obviously a stereotype. 🇨🇦 🥌
Actually, the Deutsche Bahn only started deteriorating only after privatization in the 90s, so before that they were a paragon of punctuality and even advertized with things like "we cannot be deterred by any weather", and now if there's one snow flake too much on the tracks, it'll get delayed, or if the summer day is too hot, the AC stops working, while modern trains don't have windows to open (which is understandable at 200+ km/h), so people start suffering and it has occasionally already become a life-threatening situation for some of the passengers. So yeah, Deutsche Bahn, you suck because you're a private company now (still fully held by the Federal Republic of Germany though, so there wasn't even a reason to privatize as in make it an actual private company).
If it were an actual private company, it would work well, because otherwise it would lose its customers to the competitors.
@@nebucamv5524 But it isn't (also, it's hardly possible with infrastructure, after all it was built with taxpayer's money in the first place), and therein lies the problem.
I am 75% german 15% italian and I'm almost always late, at least 10 minutes maybe more. That seems to be a thing in the german site of my family because my mom is also always late and her mom (my grandma) is always late too.. so I kinda blame it on that, lol. I just laugh so hard everytime people say that germans, especially the deutsche Bahn, are always on time or punctual.
Very good Video Dana! Fünf Minuten vor der Zeit ist des Deutschen Pünktlichkeit 😀
I am Albanian from Kosovo but I always 15 minutes before the meeting, interview and so on. With friends it depends if a friend is in a coffee when they called me I went there in five minutes because it takes that much to go to the coffee shop. But here in Germany, technically, I have no friends so I I do not have any idea
10 minutes early is 5 minutes late for business and doctors etc. For family it depends if I like them. ;-) For Church 30 minutes early, because that is when all the fun talking takes place.
It depends if it is a business meeting. I had the horrible experience bei g invited for a dinner at 18.00 in Taiwan with the University president. As a German I did not expect that you will start to eat at 18.00 and I arrived at 17,59. Everybody was staring at me for being so late. Taiwanese unlike Spaniards and even to a smaller degree Germans invite you for dinner, not for drinks or something like this. I expected we all would gather at the table, have some drinks and native eat at 19 or 1930. Still early
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Want to feed your stereotypes? :-) A friend of mine who lived in Greece had once needed an electrician to come into his house there, in order to repair something. About 2 hours after the appointed time, when the mechanic still had not arrived, my friend tried to call him on the phone. My friend explained to me that it would be considered a little rude if he had called any earlier. A few hours later he could reach him on the phone. On the next day the mechanic actually arrived. It was hardly any reason to complain. True story, I have been there.
Very interesting and revealing!
I'm German, but I'm naturally not that puncual. For me, being on time means being somewhere at the time I have to be there or up to 2 minutes earlier or later. Being puncual is more of a personality trait or lifestyle. Always being somewhere 10 to 30 minutes too early. If I'm running more than 3 or 4 minutes late, I'm letting the person I'm meeting know.
Even as a German I HATE people who arrive at your house 15 to 90 minutes early, I think it is extremely rude, because you probably have other things to do & can't really ~not~ open the door. So basically, you agreed on a time, but the guest is way too early (usually deliberately so), but you have to entertain them although you still have stuff to do. If I happen to be more than 10 minutes early at a friend's house, I walk around & wait until I'm considering it a polite time to "arrive".
I don't like anyone waiting for me. I'm German in that regard. I'd be more like Stephen. I am 2nd and 3rd generation german, Norwegian, Swedish American who all believed it was rude to keep anyone waiting.
I am currently trying to force myself to be late, because people keep me waiting - and sometimes you already know person xy is going to be late. I tried now twice and was walking up and down at home before I left and still did end up being earlier than the other person. Most German thing ever.... (I am a German living in a sub saharan african country 🙈)
fashionably late? there is nothing fashionable about lateness. lateness is rude.
In Germany i noticed most of the people arrive 5 - 10 minutes earlier, but i have friends from south america who are ALLWAYS about 15 to 30 minutes late. So we beginn to make the appointments with them earlier 😅🤣🤣
If i was late i often heard: „Pünktlichkeit ist die Höflichkeit der Könige“ because a King don’t have to show respect to anyone so he do by being punctual. 👍❤️
Aim to get there 30 minutes early, and bring a book.
There are som german sayings about that topic first is pünklichkeit ist die höflichkeit der könige,second is 5 minuten vor der zeit ist des soldaten höflichkeit.
I think you should visit Cincinnati. They were an old German city.
3 minutes late is bad manners and disrespect. 3 hours late is bad luck.
These are 20th century problems. These days, you use Glympse or similar to let your friends check up on your progress and ETA while you're travelling to the meet-up point. That way, nobody has to stress about wondering what's going to happen if they nip off to the bathroom for 2 minutes.
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I try to be punctual especially if I set the time but generally everyone is late. After an hour I get really itchy and try to find out what happened.another 15 minutes I give up . They usually contact me later that day that they either forgot or had something else to do. ha ha
Indian 🚆 train are also on time & Generally people don't follow Time or appointment. May be punctuality is not in culture
I consider up to 20 minutes to be "on time" for friends. For work, i think up to 5 minutes late still works reasonably well. As for stereotypes regarding American punctuality .. no, there is none. There are an abundance about American body types and fashion/food sense .. but nothing about punctuality.
I guess thats because for punctuality, americans are kinda in the middle - not beeing too strict (aka, aiming to arive ~20min earlier) or too relaxed (aka having no problem beeing ~20min late). So whilst it may for sure be different from how other cultures handle it, not many stereotypes arise around the percieved middle-ground, because it may still be in an acceptable frame and there are cultures that do it "worse". And maybe there are other things that are seen as more important and thuss are rather used to stereotype people from a certain culture.
My 50 eurocents on this: If I don't give a f**k about you, I make you wait.
Fünf Minuten vor der Zeit, ist des Soldaten Pünktlichkeit. Nur das Sanitäter kommt 10 Minuten später.
(Five minutes ahead of schedule is the soldier's punctuality. Only the medic comes 10 minutes late.)
rhymes killed in translation,
5 minutes earlier is on time.
only medical help is always late or at least it feels like that.
very macabre! :)
You all Wouldent survive in Queensland Australia or the islands a thing called island time could be any time bit like Australia’s public transport lol
I'm German but studying in Sicily at the moment and it's the same here. I think trains here are generally quite punctual and usually don't have much delay but the buses come and go whenever they want. You regularly have to wait somewhere for over an hour if you're unlucky just because the bus didn't show up at all. And I feel like Sicilians are generally at least 15 minutes late. I'm not always exactly on time either but as a kid I was always told how important punctuality is and I can't seem to shake that. So even if I know exactly that the Sicilians are going to be late, I'm always (mostly) in time and end up waiting for half an hour
I've also been to Australia and I have to say the experiences I've made with Australian public transport weren't that bad. But maybe I was just lucky. I guess it's different for somebody who's been living there for a long time 😅
The stereotype about southern European countries I've heard is summed up in this phrase: "Komm' ich heut nicht, komm' ich morgen". - But then, there's another fun fact I've heard about Africans. They say about us Europeans: "You've got the clocks, we've got the time" ;-)
I'm Albanian and we also say "when he doesn't come today,he'll come tomorrow"
Honestly, I think the stereotypes don’t apply to all of Americans because of the melting pot of cultures we have and we will apply the stereotypes of other nations to ourselves based on our known cultural backgrounds.
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The most profound insights in our time perspective, I got from Philip Zimbardo.
This is the ultra short version: ruclips.net/video/bo4HiVetBd0/видео.html
There are longer in depth videos and a book about it from him.
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I'm German and I'm always late, it's an issue
Just found out this channel, it’s really “nice”(German way of compliment) 🙂😉 n please suggest me podcast in English about life in Germany , Danke schön , stay safe 😷
Ganz ehrlich? Als „maximal Süddeutscher“ bin ich am weitesten von Stefan weg und sehr nah an der italienischen Vorstellung ... 😇
Stephan ist typisch deutsch 😂
Germans are like dutch people in this case
And since the dutch are just swamp germans so we are very punctual too