TSITP Season 2, Episode 8: Conrad's Coded Antics, Motel Confessions/Take-Backs & Belly Chooses Jere
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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I'm not crying, you're crying!!! In this episode of the podcast, we break down our thoughts, process our emotions and try to analyze these heavy, long-awaited beautiful & heartbreaking scenes. Listen in as we laugh at Conrad's antics, discuss how our collective heart shattered 1000x, give flowers to the newest couples to show up at volleyball camp & try to cope with the most bittersweet ending/desire to join Conrad in therapy after the 'Exile' beat-drop.
I have one big issue with the Susannah and Belly scene. This is like 3 weeks after prom were Susannah told Jere you are too good at pretending you’re fine and you never let anyone see how bad you’re hurting. And said you and Belly are best friends. Ignoring romantic relationships I thought it was odd she did not even mention Jere to Belly. Not about being there for him or trying to mend their friendship. Jenny confirmed in an interview that Adam had moved out. He was completely alone and she was only worried about Conrad. Even after he walked in he is barely mentioned. I know Conrad is endgame but it felt odd especially after Jere said his mom was the only person that ever saw him.
I totally see what you're getting at with that scene and the only thing I can think is that Susanna knows sooner or later Belly and Jere would find there way back to each other because of this bond they have. I also think they made it a point for Belly to see Jere because it was a oh shit moment for Belly to see what Jere has been going through this past year and she wasn't there to help him.
Saying this in a nice way, but it was actually Jere who shut Belly, Steven and Conrad out after summer ended. Belly tried to call and text him multiple times, it was mentioned during Conrad and Jeres talk in Boston. I do get he was hurt, but he shut ppl out so it was also on him to be alone. As for Susannah not mentioning it...she was aware of the situation I am sure. Her not mentioning it is her way of dealing with things, instead she chose to tell Belly they all will find their way back to each other.
Omg I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks Chris would play such a good serial killer! Lol I’ve been thinking this since season 1!
Great points made.....great points, and at this time I am rooting for Jer, but great points :-)
Thank you for watching and listening!
So i rewatched this episode and I think the Susanna and Belly conversation has a lot to do with bow Belly handled things throughout season 2. This might be a littl out there or long but Bear with me.
So Belly promises Susanna that she will be there for Conrad because he will need her. So from the beginning of episode 2 she went with Jere to Brown and Cousins to find him. After they find him she does everything she can to help them get the house back, in Episode 3 she convinces Jere to work with Conrad to try and convince their dad to get them the trust to buy the house. In episode 4 she does whatever she can to get his mind off of things by going to the boardwalk. In episode 5 she tells him he had no idea that Julia would sell the house and he did nothing wrong. Episode 6 they have the scene in Party City when she tries to apologize about the funeral. Episode 7 they have the conversation by the trash cans were she tries to let him go, she helps him study so he can get into his dream school and she tries to tell him that she has feelings for Jeremiah so she doesn't break his heart like she did with Jere. In episode 8 she lets him go because she's moved on with Jere and she knows he needs to move on to and go to Stanford.
Now for the Jere part of the scene. Susanna and Belly see Jere they both light up for a second until they both see how hurt he still is and then Belly breaks down again. In that moment something flips in Bellys head because Jere was never mentioned until Belly says me and Jere or me and Conrad. I believe in that moment Belly saw everything Jere has been going through over the past year and realized that she needs to help him too and be there as his best friend which she tries to do during the funeral but Jere still wants No part of her. This also leads to the fight and her apologizing during episode 2. Also, i believe Jere never walked in and this conversation in the book which means they put it into the show for some reason.
Done sorry for the rant.
Wow. Thanks for sharing!! Not a rant! Really good thoughts and I agree. She really tries to be there for the boys. It's hard for her because she has so much guilt but is really trying to do the right thing by them.
The funny thing is the snow on the beach scene took place away from everything. But the Finch scene takes place somewhere where there are people there
They're not alone but they're lost in each other.
For those relationships to work
Bonrad has to disappear from the world.
When Belly and Jeremiah are together the world around them disappears.
Didn't Conrad go talk to the lady at the Motel about the bus schedule that morning? What if he saw Belly and Jere kissing again on his way back to the room? That'd explain why he took back what he said and left as quickly as possible.
I honestly think he did see them kiss which is sad.
10000% agree with this take. I think he knew the ship had sailed and 1. Selfishly didn't want to look like a fool and put himself out there to be rejected but also 2. Selflessly didn't feel the need to make either of them feel guilty about being together... time will tell
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Thank you so much! Also, our names rhyme 😂
Fantastic podcasts like always. I enjoy that even though you're team Conrad you can admit how Jeremiah had a great arc during this episode.
Also, I'm so happy you guys brought up Jeremiah walking in on Susana and Belly because know one else mentions that. In my mind that was the scene that really lead Belly to apologize during episode 2 because she actually saw what he was going through.
Go team Jelly even though i know the ending wont change.
But belly didn't care what Conrad was going Through
@@chris-gx7rsI think Belly card about what Conrad was going through because she even said "I was so worried about Conrad and being there for him that I forgot about you." The main problem is Conrad at times has trouble saying what his feeling which you can't blame him his 18 years old
Thanks for pointing that out! Appreciate you listening, watching and commenting 😊
I was wondering what the significance of him walking in on their moment together was, if there was one
@@amandaelynch1In my personal opinion I believe that was the moment when Belly saw everything his been going through and like they said in the podcast something flipped in her head. After that moment it wasn't just her feeling bad about Conrad she started to really feel like shit about everything she put Jere through because he was her best friend.
So Exile was the perfect song for that Belly and Conrad scene for two different reasons.
1st of course Belly and Conrad officially saying its over and you hear in the song Taylor saying i give so many signs.
2nd it transitions perfectly into Belly and Jeremiah new relationship because in the song it says "I never learned to read your mind (never learned to read my mind)" and the entire point of Belly and Jeremiah is their ESP.
Great take! Thanks for commenting and being a fan 😁
I have a question that I’ve asked many Conrad fans that nobody could answer for me…
Can you please give me an example or 2 where Conrad makes Belly better or challenges her in a positive way?
I really just can’t see (based on the show) where this has happened. I also don’t see how Belly and Conrad have a deeper connection than her and Jeremiah. I argue that Jere and her have had deeper conversations about their feelings than Belly & Conrad. I’ll provide an example - In S2 E3 in the car when she tells him about volleyball issues and that she just couldn’t stop thinking about Susannah. He listens, understands her grief and also pushes her to go to camp bc he knows how much v-ball means to her.
The only time Conrad actually has a positive impact on Belly was helping her with her math homework… I do however think Belly is a very positive influence on Conrad. I just can’t see that he is good for her at this point in time.
definitely agree with you on that. In my opinion, Conrad believes that carrying the weight of his burdens alone saves other people from having to share the burden he is going through with him. But what really happens is that emotionally he shuts down, isolates, becomes rude, mean, or cold. By him staying and stewing in his own, or other peoples, circumstances, he inevitably becomes an uglier version of himself and hurts others. We saw that throughout the entirety of season 1 where he secretly knew about his mums cancer diagnoses and his dad cheating on their mum, carried the weight of that alone by choice, and became emotionally volatile and shut down. Although there are times in Season 2 where he has his old 'lightness' back, it doesn't stay constant, which could be seen as emotionally abusive. His mood is unpredictable, which could make someone be careful and monitor how they respond to him based on the day or situation. Jere is easy, constant, supportive, emotionally available, etc etc. I'm not totally understanding the team conny's, tbh, team jelly for me!
@@amandaelynch1 Just read your comment so I am going to try to explain a few things how I see them ;)...
Conrad: Let's not forget, the whole series starts with Conrad being depressed due to knowing about his dads cheating and his Mums cancer coming back. He tries to keep this a secret, as it is his mothers wish to have one great last summer and he wants to respect that. Before this summer, Conrad used to be a smart, fun, happy, slightly introvert person, this is how he is portrayed throughout the series. He was raised to put his own feelings aside, to be protective of the younger ones and to guide them. He did especially so with Belly. He would teach her things (dancing, football), he would explain things to her she couldn't understand (infinity and throughout their relationship tri). Belly fell for him for all the right reasons until he fell into depression this summer. Even after getting together, they had beautiful moments. They would talk for hours on the phone abt things from their past like their parents, abt their feelings (Conrad opening up abt his dad and his Mum), they would talk about their future and what they would want (being with someone who make them feel electric). So summing this up, I'd say their conversations are on a whole deeper level than Jeres and Bellys. Conrad and Bellys relationship for sure was a rollercoaster, but had it's goo moments as well. As already mentioned, Conrad in an introvert and actually a shy person, open up ain't easy for him. Belly is also an introvert herself, but it's easier for her to be open with opther ppl. She would bring out the best in Conrad, he would laugh and open up to her, tell her things he couldn't tell other ppl and share his feelings. He would let her in his future dreams (becoming a doctor, getting into Stanford) and actually let her be part for the applying proces, as she reread his application fomrs. Conrad brought out the best in Belly as well. Belly always admired Conrads hard work ethic and him being passionate abt things like sports, school and being a little nerd. Belly strived to be better in school just like him and let him be her tutor for trig. She wanted to be able to get into good schools just like him,so she worked hard also with volleyball. Conrad made her want to reach for things she didn't think she was capable of.
Jere: So overall I do like Jeres character, but he does have his flaws as well and unfortunately they get overlooked very easily. Jere always felt second to Conrad in every way, which is their fathers fault. Adam would favourize Conrad and make Jere feel less important. He pushed Conrad to be better in everything. When being younger, Jere looked up to Conrad. But over time, he started to feel frustrated and jealous torwards Conrad for being better at everything and ppl putting him on a podestel. So when Jere noticed Belly and Conrad getting closer this summer, imo he saw it more as an competiion. Belly was his good friend and he didn't want to loose her to Conrad and be second to Conrad in yet another way. Jere build up insecurities and these insecurities brought out the worst in him when it came to Conrad and Belly. He started to interfere with their growing relationship and even tried to sabotage them. Ofc Conrad closing off ain't Jeres fault, but still Jere acted very immature and manipulative. At the end of S1, Jere shut Belly, Steven and Conrad out for months out of hurt. So when Conrad did it as mentioned in your comment, you would call him rude and self sabotaging, but I guess it would be ok for Jere to do it?
As for your comment abt emotional abuse...Jere punshed Conrad in s1 (physical abuse), he downtalks on his brother a lot, act jealous and calls him names like coward and asshole (emotional abuse), he tried to make Conrad look bad infront of Belly, but it backfired. Jere guilty tripped Belly at the end of s1 "it's not like my mother has cancer or anything" and also throughout their journey. He would get all sad and jealous whenever Conrad and Belly interact, even when they weren't together anymore and he made Belly feel guilty abt it. It went as so far, that Belly tried to pleason Jere. E.g. s2 ep8 when Conrad and Jere go to the grocery shop. Jere would pick a candy for Belly and even though she didn't necessarily like it, she said she could eat it after her favourite bc she wanted to please him. His happens quite often.
So honestly, I don't really see how ppl would see Conrads flaws but are overlooking Jeres. I measn Conrad for sure are more obvious as it is part of the whole triangle concept. S3 for sure will concentrate more on Jeres.
Again, I like Jeres charatcer, but I don't see him being a better fit for Belly. I also wouldn't say one brother is better than the other. It's all about timing. Right now, I do see Jere and Belly working out and being good for each other. Jere is a more laid back person (not in a negative way) and mentally stable and Belly is young and wants to enjoy life. But as mentioned by JH, the story ain't over yet. The characters are still growing, also Belly. S3 will reveal the true colors of everyone. Conrad will grow and heal and become the person Belly fell for in the first place. Jere and Belly will go off to college together, they will meet new ppl, develop new interests and ultimately will grow apart, the sings are already there.
So yeah, these are my toughts, hope I could help clearing things up ;)
Yeah I hated the last song of the episode until I remembered that the last time a Dua Lipa song played on the show was when Belly and Conrad were playing and winning volleyball together and then it made me like the choice for the last song a little better 🫶🏻 probably means nothing but team bonrad girls just gotta scrape through this season on crumbs to hold us over until next season. Trust.
I recommend to you to go and listen to every sing played during Conrad/Belly and Jere/Belly scenes, especially the songs in the last episode of s2. If you pay close attention to the lyrics and look up the song lyrics in general it will blow your mind. JH definitely leaves some hints and she actually hints out a reunion for Conrad and Belly in seaosn 3.
I love your broadcasts. I like the fact you take the time to dissect each episode in smaller sections. You both encourage yourselves to provide your personal thoughts on the sections discussed. Your personal
evaluations are fresh and honest. You provide us the fans of The Summer I Turned Pretty a better understanding of each episode in each series. Kudos to the two of you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
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This is so sweet!!! Thank you so much for the lovely words and very happy you liked the insights.
But also the emotional unavailability of Conrad is not it. I wouldn’t want any of my friends with a guy like that, and it’s always belly comforting him whereas Jeremiah is the partner who supports her. So that’s the reason I can’t be belly & Conrad.
Very true! Appreciate your support 😁
I totally agree! I think Jer is the healthiest choice, honestly. He is emotionally available, supportive, balanced, unselfish, and light. I know that sometimes when you're younger the broodier guy can sometimes be appealing, but in real life it's exhausting and can be unhealthy in a relationship. He is very young though, so it will be interesting to see how his character progresses. However, for the record, I've been team Jeremy since the beginning 😛
the bs chips lie where they may.....love that!
Thanks for listening!
I'm not gonna lie I really don't see this great bond between Conrad and Belly, at least not one that is any stronger than what's between Jeremiah and Belly.
Great podcasts - thank you for the exposition! As someone more in the age-range of the moms I was surprised and delighted by how invested I became in all these characters! Jenny Han wrote a fantastic piece of drama and I really feel the writing for the show improved several aspects of the books, adding depth to the characterisation of key players. Kudos to the whole cast, especially to Lola Tung and Gavin Casalegno. I was completely immersed in their wonderful performances and their crackling chemistry. This particular season did justice to their blossoming love story and they swept me back to my own giddy adolescence! We know that in the next season Conrad will return as the natural romantic lead and I'm looking forward to see how this plays out as I'm sure Chris Briney will do an amazing job at adding flesh to the bones of Conrad's character arc. I only hope that Jeremiah's character development will also be drafted exquisitely, as it deserves after his growth as a mature and thoughtful young adult in this season. This sweet man deserves happiness and I was always a little unconvinced by the plot device in Book 3 to make him less appealing. I could fully get on board a parallel story where Jeremiah embraces Susannah's and Amelia Earhart's words, seeking new horizons geographically, spiritually and romantically ,separate from, but bonded by the love he shares with his brother and Belly. I look forward to what the future holds for all of them!
You guys were spot on with theories, I have the some of the exact same ones! This was so good
Thank you!
Thanks so much!! Glad you loved it
Do you think the fanbase will stick around for season 3?
I think the fans esp the ones originally from book to show are all really loyal! And there have been more fans finding the show since season one so I hope/think so!!
I personally believe the present fanbase will definitely stay around for season 3. I can’t see why they wouldn’t. The first and second season have captured a greater audience from all the advertising you see in the media and even more on RUclips. This has enlightened the curiosity of the tv audience out there. It’s probably the number 1 series to watch out there now. Everyone is talking about this series and people want to be part of the conversation.
@@robertfortier6136 it’s gonna take years for season 3 to come out and it’s demo might no stick around or outgrow it
@@lamine428 interesting I never allowed for a time line. Hopefully it will go in this direction. The strike is over by the end of September or at least end of October.The third season was given the go by Amazon a few weeks ago. Jenny has taken this as an the opportunity to select the material from her book that will be featured in the 10 episodes. The music can be selected now. Production can be started in the Fall and run through the Winter seasons. The series could be ready to be aired by next July. Now if the strike a long one and the series can only be ready to be aired in July of 2025 that’s a different story. The “hi” that is now apparent in the present fan base would definitely be diminished. Would I personally take the time to watch season 3 in 2025 is questionable. I’d have to watch season 1 and 2 to get all those feelings again that I experienced at that time. Instead of waiting to 2025 I would probably just read the 3 rd book and move on. I’m a true Jeremiah fan and will be always even if the story line in book 3 tends to be more on the Conrad side. To me Jeremiah is a true warrior.
I'm a Jeremiah girlie too. But not a fan of this love triangle. I heard recently Amazon canceled a couple shows after greenlighting their next seasons so hopefully TSITP isn't one of them @@robertfortier6136
Sorry one more comment. Did anyone else see the interview with Jenny Han that just came out in Time Magazine where they talked about season 3 and she said " If you knew exactly what was going to happen it wouldn't be a very satisfying show watching experience." She also said that her goal is to surprise the audience which is why she changed some of the scenes at the end of this season. All she's doing is giving me a little hope for Jelly
Some people that come into your life are for lessons Conrad is a lesson for belly not to settle for emotional and verbal abuse.
Conrad is the reason why she lost her placement on her volleyball team. He is not supportive of her goals.
I don’t understand why people say Jeremiah is manipulative?! In taking the actions he took throughout the episode. You what is manipulative is Conrad bringing up the intimate night they had when they are at the garage cans
Jeremiah is manipulative in a good way here to ensure that Belly is empowered to make a real decision and to make sure he doesn't get caught in cross fire. Just like when you are trying to get two people you love to talk to each other/work things out, he goes to one and then to the other to suggest a resolution. It's manipulation in a good way bc those two are never going to talk on their own imo
@@Vicky1016Pazz with all due respect I know what manipulation means and it does not have one positive side. characterized by unscrupulous control of a situation or person. Jeremiah is not unscrupulous in his behaviour in this episode. He is giving encouragement (look it up) to his brother in the face of his own pain.
Great insights. A few moments that were different from the books but still doesn’t necessarily close the door on the endgame from the books. This is a season that Belly and Conrad need to go through to be better versions of themselves.
Yes I think it's important that they become more of who they need to, especially conrad, before they can be what the other needs/wants/expects. They are so young.