Great video as usual :D For anyone who is considering getting Clithon or Nerite Snails bear in mind that they lay a ton of eggs which are very visible especially if you use bogwood in your scapes, this was the reason why I had to remove them from one of my tanks and Siamese Algae Eaters are not flying foxes, flying foxes are a different species, keep in mind that SAE are hardcore fin nippers once they grow up and once you introduce them it will be very very hard to remove them as they are extremely fast.
I’ve heard Black nerites don’t reproduce as much. Although I haven’t done a thorough research but I think flying foxes and SAE are different fish from the same genus. Many are confused and their algae eating plus aggressive behavior differ. www.fishkeeper.co.uk/stories/the-siamese-flying-fox
@@Xsksnssjccxghb Nerites don’t reproduce in freshwater no matter the species, they just lay eggs and there are slight differences between SAE and Flying Foxes, what I wanted to say was that SAE can be aggressive and they are fin nippers, they are by no means a peaceful fish.
Thank You Paul Adonis. That was exactly the answer I was looking for. I hate the sight of hundreds of white eggs on my hardwood. So no snails in my tank.
I started my aquarium in a dry start method. Immediately after flooding the aquarium (after ~60days dry start), I started noticing a algae bloom and also melting plants. Your videos on this topic helped me get over the algae issue and the tank has settled now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep up the great work.
Great video, good job! I would have added two more points: 1. Amano shrimp are indeed sensitive, that is why you should drip acclimate them upon introduction. 2. Neritina snails are great, but they leave hard white eggs behind that can also look ugly and are a pain to remove them. Cheers :)
I found out that, botia loaches, especially ones that click their mouths, are able to remove nerite eggs, it's almost like they're cracking those eggs. Of course adding any botia loach in tank with snails would mean that you're putting your snails in danger. But it does seem that they don't like snails with trapdoors, at least for my lone yoyo loach
Green Aqua never fail to deliver high quality and accurate videos whenever I'm looking for anything for aquascaping stuff. I'm now fully aware what to get for my new 60p tank just set up.
Thanks Green Aqua. Just a note to anyone reading this that the Amano shrimp is illegal in some regions outside of Japan, such as Australia. The alternative for those regions is called Caridina Typus, which is incredibly rare to find.
@@eisanotatsujin probably invasive. But i thought they can be picky on water parameters. It seems like pretty much any foreign animal can thrive in Australia 😂
@@eisanotatsujin just a note, i have no clue how much amanos cost in other countries, but here in Aus the caridina typus ranges from 20-25 per shrimp so it does get quite costly.
Yeah guys! These new episodes are very very informative and useful! Much more detailed and accurate knowledge can be gained. Awsome! Thank you and just keep up your good work!
I know I'm late but SAEs (Crossocheilus oblongus) and Flying Foxes (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus) are different fish that are often confused for each other. Chinese Algae Eaters (Gyrinocheilus aymonieri) and Cambodian Logsuckers (Garra cambodgiensis) too, and a lot of the information you find on forums about SAEs are actually the result of other misidentified fish. I agree with everything Tamás said about SAEs, but CAEs and Flying Foxes are the hyper-aggressive ones, SAEs are only mildly aggressive. Otos really aren't very sensitive, but they're almost exclusively wild-caught so by the time they arrive in our tanks they're usually starving and stressed to the brink of death. I match to temp and that's it, but I also look for fish that have been eating at the store instead of ones with sunken bellies or bloat. Once they've settled in, I've found them to be extremely hardy. If you can find them, Short-Nosed Shrimp (Cardina longirostris) are comparable to Amanos in terms of algae eating and they can be bred in freshwater, though they still have a zoeal larval stage so it does require a specialized setup to breed them. Sewellia species fall within Group 2 as well. They'll clean glass and hardscape, they'll eat BBA, GSA, and GDA, but they won't clean plants or mosses and they can mess up sand paths. 3 S. lineolata cleaned a large rock of mine that was 100% covered in BBA in a couple days in my early days in the planted side of the hobby. Garra flavatra are another fish that is amazing at eating filamentous algaes including BBA and Staghorn. They only get to the same size as a molly, they're peaceful to non-congeners, and are a superior option in almost all cases to both the SAE and Molly.
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Great video that I was awaiting ! When I started, I was told that I had to (yes, "had to") add some snails like melanoids and physe or planorbs, because they were a great help. Melanos were supposed to help to keep the soil clean, and the others were eating algae and dead leaves... so yeah, greaaaat advice, right! I got planorbs because why not right, but what a nightmare!!! Maybe they are helping, but oh god, so many of them everywhere! I turned into a serial killer, snatching them when I could see them. It was not a great advice. You could've add that those you are speaking about are snails that won't multiply like freaking rabbits ! I'm now fighting "ferrissia fragilis" (which supposedly eats some kind of micro algae, and that came with a plant), which are multiplying like my tank is their last place on Earth and they have to make their specie survive at all costs. I took back my serial killer costume, but that seem to be a lost fight. If you've got any advice on how to get rid of them (I got a trap for the snails, worked fine in the end), I'd be so very enormously grateful, the only thing people said to me was that I was over-feeding my fishes and should stop to get rid of them... Even though that tank doesn't hold any fish, and those little monsters are actually eating micro algae. So, if you've got any advice on how to deal with uninvited party crashers, I'd be much obliged!
There is a product you can put in your tank that will kill the snails but not harm the fish. The thing is you have to do that a couple of times because it does not kill the eggs.
Actually siamese algae eaters and flying fox are two different species.... Flying fox is a little bit aggressive and grows larger than siamese algae eater.
And the Siamese is a very good algae eater but the Flying fox isn´t. If you keep 5 or more or just females they are very kind and super good workers. I Highly recommend for larger tanks as they DO get 10-12cm long.
The Chinese Flying Fox is a super aggressive species compared to the Siamese Algae Eater, and they are super annoying to catch with a net! It's almost impossible to catch them if you have 2 or more.
I have amano shrimp, ottos and nerite snails (not all in the same tank). I love how interesting and hardworking the amano shrimp are, they are a lively, incredible shrimp despite not being as colourful as some of their brethren. Ottos I agree are SUPER sensitive, and I read this is because of the shock they experience being wild-caught and only eating algae... I sadly only have 2 left that have survived over 3 months. For the nerite snails, I have a batman and onion nerite. The onion turned out to be female, as she has started laying those pesky white eggs everywhere. They'll never hatch as they need brackish water, and they are a pain to clean - as others have mentioned. I would say amano shrimp are the ones that have not broken my heart like the ottos or nerite snails have! Although they do scare me every time they leave a spooky molt surprise in the tank when I'm least expecting it :P
On Black Molly, definitely for me superior to SAE in a contest tank. Commonly used as an algae eater in Japan. As fish that pick spots rather than scrape, their competition are the Siamese Algae Eater and shrimp, rather than Otocinclus/Pleco. vs SAE +Mollies are not nearly as fast or hard to catch- way more manageable +Don’t get big and lazy as adults +Don’t nibble on Moss- SAE can nibble Moss ragged if hungry +Are more voracious at dealing with the brown algae that appears in the early stages of the aquarium -Are not as attractive -Are not helpful for dealing with BBA that appears very late (6 months+) in an aquascape’s life ^For these reasons I prefer Molly to SAE in a contest tank Vs Amano Shrimp +Will deal with algae in the all levels of the tank, including near the water surface +Will not pull out HC or other easy to disturb plants +Will not play soccer with Soil and move it around +Again are much easier to remove from a tank -Are not as fast or efficient as shrimp or eat as many types of algae So yeah Molly comes with a lot of benefits and to me is basically the best algae eater when setting up a tank for 8-11 weeks before a photo shoot. In a gallery/live display setting though I would choose SAE- being more attractive and more useful in a tank lasting over 6 months that will face more types of algae.
Thanks for the information! I am considering getting some mollies for my tank to deal w all the hair algae. However, I’m a bit worried about them harassing my shrimp (amano and caridina). Do you think this is a big concern?
Thank you Tommy and Green Aqua. Another really useful video with detailed information that is really essential for any planted tank. Looking forward to next week's video.
Great video, Those 3 are my favorite.. i have a 27 litres tank with 5 amano, 1 otocinclus and 6 clithon shrimp, but the algae is never been disapeared.. its 3 weeks already
@@GreenAquaShop thanks to you guys I am quite a good hobbyist in term of growing really good and healthy plants but my artistic is near 0. I actually struggle more with creating hardscape more than preventing algae :P
@@GreenAquaShop just to let you guys know, my tank is now one week old. Add harlequin rasbora yesterday and they spawn eggs today. I run my water at 120 tds as you guys suggested, seems to do wonder. Set up already a breeding tank, we will see how it goes.
This is really helpful tutorial with case by case so that I can understand in a better way of how to deal with them respectively. One of the best channels I would recommend for aqua theme!
Thank you for all this information, I will definitely look into the Amano shrimps to help with the algae build up in my tank. I don't have much but the Amano will do the work that my other algae eaters missed.
Firstly, I seriously love this informative series!! Ok the srs part, SAE and flying fox are different species. Google can show the difference. Do the horned nerite snail (algae eater number 3) lay eggs all around in the tank as well?
You guys convinced me to buy a few otocinclus and I'm really thankful for that. Not really because they're effective algae eaters, but because they're actually beautiful fish with an amazing behaviour and I fell in love with them. They're one of the cutest fish out there and they get a lot of compliments from friends and family. I think the simple "algae eater" label doesn't do them justice to be honest ;)
Super cute and minding their own business. The semi-aggressive fish don’t seem to mind them too. My only concern is that they won’t eat the algae wafers and their tummies are full all the time
@@Xsksnssjccxghb I have the same issue with mine ! I gave them 4 different types of algae wafers and they never ate them, they only eat on the leaves and the glass.. it was a bit stressful in the beginning but now they're used to eat veggies that I hang on a suction cup for like 2-3 days. They really like spinach, zucchini and salad. If yours have full tummies I guess you're fine ^^. I don't have enough algae so I need to supplement.
@@r0seguard7 Same! I bought 3 types of wafers （Hikari and JBL, I even tried the ones that would stick on the glass) and they won’t accept any of them. Great excuse for building a new tank for Corys though😂. The suction cup is a brilliant idea! I never tried to feed boiled vegetables and I thought I was providing the best foods for my fish!
Very nice Video, thanks for that! I've got 8 planted tanks in my rooms and use Ottos, clithon snails and Amanos to keep it all clean. I also have 2 siamese Algea eaters in my 200l tank, but my favorite cleaner is the Clithon Corona snail! Looking beautiful and do the job great 😊👍🏼 Have a nice day @bavarian_aquascaper 👋🏼😊
I thought siamese algae eaters and flying fox were different. Wiki - The flying fox (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus) is a Southeast Asian species of freshwater fish in the family Cyprinidae. It is sometimes mistakenly referred to as the Siamese algae eater ( Crossocheilus oblongus )
They're often confused, and mistaken for the other. Flying fox is more aggressive, but both will eat shrimp and snails small enough to fit in their mouth. Can differentiate by fins, stripe patterns, and or by barbells 2 vs 4. Not personal experience... I just researched for adding to my neocardinia/snail tank to rid myself of hair algae.. looks like amanos is my only good option though... Unless a black molly will work.. hrm..
Worth also mentioning is the third look-alike to the SAE species. Other than "Flying Fox" (Epalzerorhynchos kalopterus), the "Cambodian Log Sucker" (Garra cambodgiensis) which is even more similar in appearance thus creating even more confusion.
Very clear information! Just one question. Are the recommended amounts per species per liter for when you only stock that one species or is it also correct when you use multiple species that you mentioned?
Another great video! Good job Tommy! I had a SAE in my 29 gallon and it was perfect when I first got it! By the time it reaches 4-5 inches it was terrorizing my cardinal tetras and wouldn’t let them eat! I lost a few cardinals and ended up getting rid of the SAE! Shame cause I had to algae anywhere!
Will you be covering in more details the category 2 partially algae eating livestock in a future video? Will they compete with group 3 if you have both sets of livestock in the tank?
Great video! Love the shrimp and the more decorative snails! Have a few blue, red and tiger shrimp in mine and they look awesome! Thanks for info Tommy! GREEN AQUA ROCKS!!
Great Video!! One of the best explanations and overview on the topic! Thanks Tommy. Big Fan of Green Aqua!!! Thanks for what you guys do. I'm in California. I'd order from you if I could!!! Dang Hungarian laws!! lol
Very Informative video for the most part, but one thing that I think needs to be adressed is that the siamese algae eater (SAE) and flying fox are 2 different fish, although they look very similar, with the SAE the black line goes through the entire body and tail, with the flying fox it stops before the tail, the flying fox is not as great as an algae eater as the SAE, so if you get the wrong fish you might be dissapointed with the results, but if you do get the SAE get them small, they're seriously amazing algae eaters! When they get used to flake and other foods they can loose interest in algae, also when they get bigger they seem to form a hierarchy, the boss will spend all day chasing the others around the tank (exaggeration but mine do a lot of chasing) I have 3 in a very planted tank. The biggest one chases both of the smaller 2, and the smallest one gets chased by both of the bigger 2.
This is a fantastic video, really useful, I’m just waiting for my first aquascaper tank to arrive and although kept fish before and know about keeping water, I don’t know about algae and how to control it so this is amazing , thank you 😊
Well guys I'm going to tell you my experience. I have a tank full of BBA b/c I made a mistake during the process of hardscaping, the soil mixed to the substrate layer. So, I trying some algae eaters like Otocinclus, Clithon snails, shrimps, and algae is still there. I even tried Seachem Excel, it worked but the moss died too, so, not a good idea. I also put a chemical treatment from Tetra, nothing... However I recently rescaped a tank with some plants from another old tank, the anubias had some GSA and the clithon snail ate all of them, now I'm happy. Physas are good algae eaters as well. I use to put them from the beginning and those tiny snails work very well. Thanks for this. Cheers Green Aqua
Tomi you should make some news on Tv, you looked great, the intro was awesome. 👌👌😀 😀 Thanks for the important date about all these algae eaters. Helpfull as always. I have some shrimps, Ottocinclus and mistery snails. But I want to change those snails on smth else, I don't like them. 🤔😊
Juvenile pleco’s are great for cleaning algae growing on your glass or hardscape. And they are hardier/easier to keep than otocinclus. The problem is that they not only grow big, but also switch to protein rich diet as they grow. So, treat them as Siamese algae eaters - introduce a bunch of baby pleco’s to heap with your algae problem, then remove them once the job is done.
amano shrimp are amazing i cycled a tank and after 3 weeks all the plants were covered in brown fur , added 3 amanos , a week later all the plants are clean , and the bladder snails cleaned the glass
American flag fin(Jordanella floridae) Are also awesome hair algae eaters. They can even handle high water temps like if you have a planted discus tank
Good emphasis on the oto introduction. I had a 75% death rate, in the first two days after introduction, the first time when I introduced them at a "normal" speed. The second time I got some I took way longer and they all survived the transition.
Nerite snails are a must have in any planted tank. IMO the zebra nerite is much better than the horned nerite at removing algae from glass or rock surfaces. I used to have a hard time getting rid of algae from glass surfaces in my African cichlid tanks. I've tried using the regular sponges to old credit cards to scrape the glass but these dark green algae are near impossible to get rid off! Bought one zebra nerite for my 3ft cichlid tank to try out and it very quickly clean the glass and rocks and within months all the surfaces are completely cleaned! I've also tried the horned nerite snails for my 2 ft planted tank before and i've found out that you not only need more (cos they're smaller and also less efficient as compared to the zebras), i've also noticed that they eat the green spot or easier to clean off algae first before they go for those really hard to get rid off algae. My only issue with the zebras is they lay much more eggs as compared to the horned nerite and their eggs are also much more difficult to scrape off from the glass.
I had a pair of Siamese Algae Eater and boy did they grow . They became 5 Inches long ,,, I could not handle them devouring everything and dropped at the pet shop I got from. Beautiful to look at and have but they eat anything!!!
@@GreenAquaShopIve followed Tropica's 90 day setup on two tanks and even though its pretty good, theres quite a few things that they didnt mention, which you guys covered. Sadly I lost almost all of my ottos and every single one of my siamese algae eaters. They also have you putting the animals into the tank by day 3 which was nuts for a new setup in hindsight. So once again thanks for this.
Awesome video, so much good information! I read some blogs saying that shrimp and tanks with CO2/fertilization cant be done, because the shrimp will die. Is that true? I'm asking because my tank finished the cycling and i'm looking forward to add some shrimps
that was very helpful. One question, when it comes to mollys, doest it have to be black molly or any other color? thanks for this informative video Tommy!
The production quality of these videos never fail to impress me haha
Thanks for your words 😊
*fails
Great video as usual :D For anyone who is considering getting Clithon or Nerite Snails bear in mind that they lay a ton of eggs which are very visible especially if you use bogwood in your scapes, this was the reason why I had to remove them from one of my tanks and Siamese Algae Eaters are not flying foxes, flying foxes are a different species, keep in mind that SAE are hardcore fin nippers once they grow up and once you introduce them it will be very very hard to remove them as they are extremely fast.
I’ve heard Black nerites don’t reproduce as much. Although I haven’t done a thorough research but I think flying foxes and SAE are different fish from the same genus. Many are confused and their algae eating plus aggressive behavior differ. www.fishkeeper.co.uk/stories/the-siamese-flying-fox
@@Xsksnssjccxghb Nerites don’t reproduce in freshwater no matter the species, they just lay eggs and there are slight differences between SAE and Flying Foxes, what I wanted to say was that SAE can be aggressive and they are fin nippers, they are by no means a peaceful fish.
Thank You Paul Adonis. That was exactly the answer I was looking for. I hate the sight of hundreds of white eggs on my hardwood. So no snails in my tank.
@@BelgianDrummer I learned it the hard way...
I was surprised that the egg laying was not mentioned. Eye sore.
I started my aquarium in a dry start method. Immediately after flooding the aquarium (after ~60days dry start), I started noticing a algae bloom and also melting plants. Your videos on this topic helped me get over the algae issue and the tank has settled now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep up the great work.
It is clear you guys absolutely love what you do and are having fun, reflected in these videos and the production. Great!
Great video, good job!
I would have added two more points:
1. Amano shrimp are indeed sensitive, that is why you should drip acclimate them upon introduction.
2. Neritina snails are great, but they leave hard white eggs behind that can also look ugly and are a pain to remove them.
Cheers :)
I found out that, botia loaches, especially ones that click their mouths, are able to remove nerite eggs, it's almost like they're cracking those eggs. Of course adding any botia loach in tank with snails would mean that you're putting your snails in danger.
But it does seem that they don't like snails with trapdoors, at least for my lone yoyo loach
Green Aqua never fail to deliver high quality and accurate videos whenever I'm looking for anything for aquascaping stuff. I'm now fully aware what to get for my new 60p tank just set up.
Cool! Good luck with your new tank!
Thanks Green Aqua. Just a note to anyone reading this that the Amano shrimp is illegal in some regions outside of Japan, such as Australia. The alternative for those regions is called Caridina Typus, which is incredibly rare to find.
Oh, good to know, thanks for the info. Noted!
wait, really ???
is it like some kind of invasive species in some countries or areas ?
or is it just preventing the animal black market ?
@@eisanotatsujin probably invasive. But i thought they can be picky on water parameters. It seems like pretty much any foreign animal can thrive in Australia 😂
@@eisanotatsujin just a note, i have no clue how much amanos cost in other countries, but here in Aus the caridina typus ranges from 20-25 per shrimp so it does get quite costly.
@@JonBeechxD North Queensland algae shrimp are more effective at a fraction of the cost, even native nerites are good as well.
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Yeah guys! These new episodes are very very informative and useful! Much more detailed and accurate knowledge can be gained. Awsome! Thank you and just keep up your good work!
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I know I'm late but SAEs (Crossocheilus oblongus) and Flying Foxes (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus) are different fish that are often confused for each other. Chinese Algae Eaters (Gyrinocheilus aymonieri) and Cambodian Logsuckers (Garra cambodgiensis) too, and a lot of the information you find on forums about SAEs are actually the result of other misidentified fish. I agree with everything Tamás said about SAEs, but CAEs and Flying Foxes are the hyper-aggressive ones, SAEs are only mildly aggressive.
Otos really aren't very sensitive, but they're almost exclusively wild-caught so by the time they arrive in our tanks they're usually starving and stressed to the brink of death. I match to temp and that's it, but I also look for fish that have been eating at the store instead of ones with sunken bellies or bloat. Once they've settled in, I've found them to be extremely hardy.
If you can find them, Short-Nosed Shrimp (Cardina longirostris) are comparable to Amanos in terms of algae eating and they can be bred in freshwater, though they still have a zoeal larval stage so it does require a specialized setup to breed them.
Sewellia species fall within Group 2 as well. They'll clean glass and hardscape, they'll eat BBA, GSA, and GDA, but they won't clean plants or mosses and they can mess up sand paths. 3 S. lineolata cleaned a large rock of mine that was 100% covered in BBA in a couple days in my early days in the planted side of the hobby.
Garra flavatra are another fish that is amazing at eating filamentous algaes including BBA and Staghorn. They only get to the same size as a molly, they're peaceful to non-congeners, and are a superior option in almost all cases to both the SAE and Molly.
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Great video that I was awaiting !
When I started, I was told that I had to (yes, "had to") add some snails like melanoids and physe or planorbs, because they were a great help. Melanos were supposed to help to keep the soil clean, and the others were eating algae and dead leaves... so yeah, greaaaat advice, right! I got planorbs because why not right, but what a nightmare!!! Maybe they are helping, but oh god, so many of them everywhere! I turned into a serial killer, snatching them when I could see them. It was not a great advice. You could've add that those you are speaking about are snails that won't multiply like freaking rabbits !
I'm now fighting "ferrissia fragilis" (which supposedly eats some kind of micro algae, and that came with a plant), which are multiplying like my tank is their last place on Earth and they have to make their specie survive at all costs. I took back my serial killer costume, but that seem to be a lost fight. If you've got any advice on how to get rid of them (I got a trap for the snails, worked fine in the end), I'd be so very enormously grateful, the only thing people said to me was that I was over-feeding my fishes and should stop to get rid of them... Even though that tank doesn't hold any fish, and those little monsters are actually eating micro algae.
So, if you've got any advice on how to deal with uninvited party crashers, I'd be much obliged!
There is a product you can put in your tank that will kill the snails but not harm the fish. The thing is you have to do that a couple of times because it does not kill the eggs.
Dwarf chain loach or yoyo loach will kill and eat snails. Lol Ur not alone I'm also a snail serial killer 😂
Actually siamese algae eaters and flying fox are two different species....
Flying fox is a little bit aggressive and grows larger than siamese algae eater.
And the Siamese is a very good algae eater but the Flying fox isn´t. If you keep 5 or more or just females they are very kind and super good workers. I Highly recommend for larger tanks as they DO get 10-12cm long.
And the siamese algae eaters are not agressive.
The Chinese Flying Fox is a super aggressive species compared to the Siamese Algae Eater, and they are super annoying to catch with a net! It's almost impossible to catch them if you have 2 or more.
@@vikashdubey That isn't quite true
@@no-knickers-emma1112 not really agressive, but as they age, will look fondly on any protein that fits in their mouth..
This was awesome! I've watched a ton of videos on this subject and I absolutely loved this breakdown the most.
This is an outstanding video.
Great production quality, great photography, and a great compilation of information on the topic.
Well done
Thanks so much for the feedback 👍
I have amano shrimp, ottos and nerite snails (not all in the same tank). I love how interesting and hardworking the amano shrimp are, they are a lively, incredible shrimp despite not being as colourful as some of their brethren. Ottos I agree are SUPER sensitive, and I read this is because of the shock they experience being wild-caught and only eating algae... I sadly only have 2 left that have survived over 3 months.
For the nerite snails, I have a batman and onion nerite. The onion turned out to be female, as she has started laying those pesky white eggs everywhere. They'll never hatch as they need brackish water, and they are a pain to clean - as others have mentioned. I would say amano shrimp are the ones that have not broken my heart like the ottos or nerite snails have! Although they do scare me every time they leave a spooky molt surprise in the tank when I'm least expecting it :P
Alright brilliant video again it's to know what to put in your aquascaped aquarium love it.❤❤❤❤
Nice to see that you Tamas take things seriously,thank you for this long and interesting topic.
Glad you like the video. 👍😁
Narrator reminds me of Dr Sulu from the OG Star Trek!! Love you guys❤️
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No mention of the reticulated hillstream loach?? It was all over the b roll footage.
I have a female one, eats small guppy food or microorganisms obviously..
On Black Molly, definitely for me superior to SAE in a contest tank.
Commonly used as an algae eater in Japan. As fish that pick spots rather than scrape, their competition are the Siamese Algae Eater and shrimp, rather than Otocinclus/Pleco.
vs SAE
+Mollies are not nearly as fast or hard to catch- way more manageable
+Don’t get big and lazy as adults
+Don’t nibble on Moss- SAE can nibble Moss ragged if hungry
+Are more voracious at dealing with the brown algae that appears in the early stages of the aquarium
-Are not as attractive
-Are not helpful for dealing with BBA that appears very late (6 months+) in an aquascape’s life
^For these reasons I prefer Molly to SAE in a contest tank
Vs Amano Shrimp
+Will deal with algae in the all levels of the tank, including near the water surface
+Will not pull out HC or other easy to disturb plants
+Will not play soccer with Soil and move it around
+Again are much easier to remove from a tank
-Are not as fast or efficient as shrimp or eat as many types of algae
So yeah Molly comes with a lot of benefits and to me is basically the best algae eater when setting up a tank for 8-11 weeks before a photo shoot. In a gallery/live display setting though I would choose SAE- being more attractive and more useful in a tank lasting over 6 months that will face more types of algae.
Thanks for these points Steve! Very useful info here! Cheers!
Thanks for the information! I am considering getting some mollies for my tank to deal w all the hair algae. However, I’m a bit worried about them harassing my shrimp (amano and caridina). Do you think this is a big concern?
Finally a great comprehensive about the algae crew! Thanks a lot! 🌳
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this is very well done! love the TV in the background showing the same thing he's taking about. and the opening sketch is funny AF!
LOL, thanks, Marc!
I think that Amano shrimp are lovely and elegant in their own right.
Is there any kind of Neritina type of snail that doesnt put eggs all over the tank?
Thanks and awesome work guys
yes, male ones ..
You can add one snail at a time and monitor it to make sure you got a male
@@Alniemi that sounded exhausting 😅😅
I really love the ottocinclus, as you said, they are quite sensitive. And it sucks seeing them die sometimes while everything is in balance.
1/4 of my ottos died to acclimation. Generally I try to avoid doing drastic water changes (above 50%?)
What a great, informative video! Good job!
Thank you!
Thank you Tommy and Green Aqua. Another really useful video with detailed information that is really essential for any planted tank.
Looking forward to next week's video.
Glad you like the video. 👍😁
Great video, Those 3 are my favorite..
i have a 27 litres tank with 5 amano, 1 otocinclus and 6 clithon shrimp, but the algae is never been disapeared.. its 3 weeks already
Yeah, there is an amount of algae that they can not fight with though. Check out the algae guide videos for more details. ;)
I've just set up my new tank after a 2 years hiatus. This is exactly what i was looking for.
Love to hear it 👍 Good luck with the new setup 😃
You’re on the right track if you’re watching Green Aqua😎
@@GreenAquaShop thanks to you guys I am quite a good hobbyist in term of growing really good and healthy plants but my artistic is near 0. I actually struggle more with creating hardscape more than preventing algae :P
@@GreenAquaShop just to let you guys know, my tank is now one week old. Add harlequin rasbora yesterday and they spawn eggs today. I run my water at 120 tds as you guys suggested, seems to do wonder. Set up already a breeding tank, we will see how it goes.
Excellent work... As always... Thank you very much!!! 💚😊💚
Thanks Antonis! Cheers!
Every week , videos getting better and better ! Thank you for your great
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Thanks for your support. 🙏😇
This is really helpful tutorial with case by case so that I can understand in a better way of how to deal with them respectively. One of the best channels I would recommend for aqua theme!
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Greetings from Lithuania! Hope to visit you in the future! Amazing videos with all sorted and most important information. Keep it this way!
Greetings 🤗 Come and see us, you're very welcome 👍
This video made me subscribe, looking forward to seeing more. Thank you.
Siamese , molly , shrimps are favourite algee eater❤️❤️❤️❤️I love this video , full of informational vidoe legend ..great job❤️❤️
Thanks for your words 👍 A good way to keep algae under control for sure
Thank you for all this information, I will definitely look into the Amano shrimps to help with the algae build up in my tank. I don't have much but the Amano will do the work that my other algae eaters missed.
This is my favorite aquarium channel online. Great information and very entertaining 👍
Glad to read this, Andy.
Thank you so much. :)
Firstly, I seriously love this informative series!! Ok the srs part, SAE and flying fox are different species. Google can show the difference. Do the horned nerite snail (algae eater number 3) lay eggs all around in the tank as well?
A fans from Indonesia here, thank you so much Green Aqua, it's really helpful cuz im fighting against the algae in my tank
Thanks for watching from such a distance 🙏
Nice info, thanks @Green Aqua
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Wait... what??? Snails are slow??? Who would've thought!
I spilled my coffee on that part 😂
Except for the red racer snail, which is .... also slow 😁
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@@GreenAquaShop They used to race once you dip them in nitrous oxide...
You guys convinced me to buy a few otocinclus and I'm really thankful for that. Not really because they're effective algae eaters, but because they're actually beautiful fish with an amazing behaviour and I fell in love with them. They're one of the cutest fish out there and they get a lot of compliments from friends and family. I think the simple "algae eater" label doesn't do them justice to be honest ;)
Super cute and minding their own business. The semi-aggressive fish don’t seem to mind them too. My only concern is that they won’t eat the algae wafers and their tummies are full all the time
@@Xsksnssjccxghb I have the same issue with mine ! I gave them 4 different types of algae wafers and they never ate them, they only eat on the leaves and the glass.. it was a bit stressful in the beginning but now they're used to eat veggies that I hang on a suction cup for like 2-3 days. They really like spinach, zucchini and salad. If yours have full tummies I guess you're fine ^^. I don't have enough algae so I need to supplement.
@@r0seguard7 Same! I bought 3 types of wafers （Hikari and JBL, I even tried the ones that would stick on the glass) and they won’t accept any of them. Great excuse for building a new tank for Corys though😂. The suction cup is a brilliant idea! I never tried to feed boiled vegetables and I thought I was providing the best foods for my fish!
Very interesting video... Even after 10+ years into the hobby, I've still learned few tips about algae eaters. Keep Scaping !
Thank you for your kind words. 🙏😇
This is very good topic, nice talk Tommy can wait for next week to learn about filtration greating from Poland
Glad you found this useful Piotr, stay tuned. Cheers!
Hi Tommy, nicely put together video with lots of information .Thank-you
Thanks Terry. :)
Very nice Video, thanks for that!
I've got 8 planted tanks in my rooms and use Ottos, clithon snails and Amanos to keep it all clean. I also have 2 siamese Algea eaters in my 200l tank, but my favorite cleaner is the Clithon Corona snail! Looking beautiful and do the job great 😊👍🏼
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I thought siamese algae eaters and flying fox were different.
Wiki - The flying fox (Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus) is a Southeast Asian species of freshwater fish in the family Cyprinidae. It is sometimes mistakenly referred to as the Siamese algae eater ( Crossocheilus oblongus )
They're often confused, and mistaken for the other.
Flying fox is more aggressive, but both will eat shrimp and snails small enough to fit in their mouth.
Can differentiate by fins, stripe patterns, and or by barbells 2 vs 4.
Not personal experience... I just researched for adding to my neocardinia/snail tank to rid myself of hair algae.. looks like amanos is my only good option though...
Unless a black molly will work.. hrm..
Worth also mentioning is the third look-alike to the SAE species.
Other than "Flying Fox" (Epalzerorhynchos kalopterus), the "Cambodian Log Sucker" (Garra cambodgiensis) which is even more similar in appearance thus creating even more confusion.
Excellent intro! 👊🏻 And the rest of the video.
Cheers!
Very clear information! Just one question. Are the recommended amounts per species per liter for when you only stock that one species or is it also correct when you use multiple species that you mentioned?
It's a rule of thumb, depending on many factors, filtration, bio load, planting, etc. But yeah, they are used together like that.
Great video Tommy! Very informative. Siamese flying fox are called that as they jump out of your tank, and land 2-3 metres away!
Oh, ok Julian, they don't jump often here though.
@@GreenAquaShop I should have added, they are jumping to find better habitat, so keep the habitat right and they won't jump is the lesson I suppose!🤔
Another great video! Good job Tommy! I had a SAE in my 29 gallon and it was perfect when I first got it! By the time it reaches 4-5 inches it was terrorizing my cardinal tetras and wouldn’t let them eat! I lost a few cardinals and ended up getting rid of the SAE! Shame cause I had to algae anywhere!
Great video. Good information. Thanks for the effort!
Will you be covering in more details the category 2 partially algae eating livestock in a future video? Will they compete with group 3 if you have both sets of livestock in the tank?
I’d also like to know This!
Excellent topic. Thanks Tommy.
Greetings from Cumbria in the U.K.
stay safe and well
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Great video! Love the shrimp and the more decorative snails! Have a few blue, red and tiger shrimp in mine and they look awesome! Thanks for info Tommy! GREEN AQUA ROCKS!!
Hey Thanks Mike 💚 Cheers
Good video! Very helpfull and honest video! Keep up the good work!!
Happy to see that you like the video. 👍
Great! I really like this video! Thank you!
Thanks Marta. :)
Great Video!! One of the best explanations and overview on the topic! Thanks Tommy. Big Fan of Green Aqua!!! Thanks for what you guys do. I'm in California. I'd order from you if I could!!! Dang Hungarian laws!! lol
Very Informative video for the most part, but one thing that I think needs to be adressed is that the siamese algae eater (SAE) and flying fox are 2 different fish, although they look very similar, with the SAE the black line goes through the entire body and tail, with the flying fox it stops before the tail, the flying fox is not as great as an algae eater as the SAE, so if you get the wrong fish you might be dissapointed with the results, but if you do get the SAE get them small, they're seriously amazing algae eaters! When they get used to flake and other foods they can loose interest in algae, also when they get bigger they seem to form a hierarchy, the boss will spend all day chasing the others around the tank (exaggeration but mine do a lot of chasing) I have 3 in a very planted tank. The biggest one chases both of the smaller 2, and the smallest one gets chased by both of the bigger 2.
The best aquarium video I've ever seen, very detailed. A question can I put two otocinclus in a 30 liter cube with a betta splendens? Thanks
Very informatiive. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for this awesome video
what do you think about Golden ''Chinese'' algae eater in a planted tank ?
Always great videos! Thank you for sharing! - Little Bobby
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Going with Nerite in the aquarium I’m setting up in the spring.
(Silver) Flying Fox and Siamese Algae Eaters are often confused with each other, they are not the same fish.
This is a fantastic video, really useful, I’m just waiting for my first aquascaper tank to arrive and although kept fish before and know about keeping water, I don’t know about algae and how to control it so this is amazing , thank you 😊
Welcome to our channel 🤗 Glad you find it useful 💚
Fantastic informative video loved it !! More like this please
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Consider Crossocheilus reticulatus: similar to Siamese algae eater but this one cleans up BBA (seen it) and doesn’t get aggressive.
Yes. We have these fish, we forgot to add them to the video.
Well guys I'm going to tell you my experience. I have a tank full of BBA b/c I made a mistake during the process of hardscaping, the soil mixed to the substrate layer. So, I trying some algae eaters like Otocinclus, Clithon snails, shrimps, and algae is still there. I even tried Seachem Excel, it worked but the moss died too, so, not a good idea. I also put a chemical treatment from Tetra, nothing... However I recently rescaped a tank with some plants from another old tank, the anubias had some GSA and the clithon snail ate all of them, now I'm happy. Physas are good algae eaters as well. I use to put them from the beginning and those tiny snails work very well. Thanks for this. Cheers Green Aqua
Thanks for sharing your story, you had an epic fight. :) Glad it works now.
LOL! You guys are hilarious. I love watching all your videos. I've learned so much. Thanks!
Thanks for the words. Glad you like these thingies 😃
Good luck for your next videos
Love and support from India 🇮🇳❤
great video thanks keep up the good work
Tomi you should make some news on Tv, you looked great, the intro was awesome. 👌👌😀 😀
Thanks for the important date about all these algae eaters. Helpfull as always. I have some shrimps, Ottocinclus and mistery snails. But I want to change those snails on smth else, I don't like them. 🤔😊
Well, you can change them if you want 🤗
Juvenile pleco’s are great for cleaning algae growing on your glass or hardscape. And they are hardier/easier to keep than otocinclus. The problem is that they not only grow big, but also switch to protein rich diet as they grow. So, treat them as Siamese algae eaters - introduce a bunch of baby pleco’s to heap with your algae problem, then remove them once the job is done.
Great video !
Is there any staghorn algae eater you guys recommend?
It's in the video 🤗
Next week on Green Aqua. We scape Tommys beard! 😂✌
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amano shrimp are amazing i cycled a tank and after 3 weeks all the plants were covered in brown fur , added 3 amanos , a week later all the plants are clean , and the bladder snails cleaned the glass
American flag fin(Jordanella floridae)
Are also awesome hair algae eaters. They can even handle high water temps like if you have a planted discus tank
Good emphasis on the oto introduction. I had a 75% death rate, in the first two days after introduction, the first time when I introduced them at a "normal" speed. The second time I got some I took way longer and they all survived the transition.
Yeah like in every part of the hobby. Patience is the key for the success 👍
Nerite snails are a must have in any planted tank. IMO the zebra nerite is much better than the horned nerite at removing algae from glass or rock surfaces. I used to have a hard time getting rid of algae from glass surfaces in my African cichlid tanks. I've tried using the regular sponges to old credit cards to scrape the glass but these dark green algae are near impossible to get rid off! Bought one zebra nerite for my 3ft cichlid tank to try out and it very quickly clean the glass and rocks and within months all the surfaces are completely cleaned!
I've also tried the horned nerite snails for my 2 ft planted tank before and i've found out that you not only need more (cos they're smaller and also less efficient as compared to the zebras), i've also noticed that they eat the green spot or easier to clean off algae first before they go for those really hard to get rid off algae. My only issue with the zebras is they lay much more eggs as compared to the horned nerite and their eggs are also much more difficult to scrape off from the glass.
So basicly you changed algae to snail eggs?
@@Khorgol Yes..... LOL
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Very informative video , thank you 😊
I am glad to learn this.
Tommy is a good news reader. well done Brother.....
Thanks 💚 cheers
Really useful info. BTW Tommy is perfect for news reading..🙂
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I had a pair of Siamese Algae Eater and boy did they grow . They became 5 Inches long ,,, I could not handle them devouring everything and dropped at the pet shop I got from. Beautiful to look at and have but they eat anything!!!
Goede informatie Dankjewel 👍
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This was super helpful! Thanks guys! ❤️
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@@GreenAquaShopIve followed Tropica's 90 day setup on two tanks and even though its pretty good, theres quite a few things that they didnt mention, which you guys covered. Sadly I lost almost all of my ottos and every single one of my siamese algae eaters. They also have you putting the animals into the tank by day 3 which was nuts for a new setup in hindsight. So once again thanks for this.
Awesome video, so much good information! I read some blogs saying that shrimp and tanks with CO2/fertilization cant be done, because the shrimp will die. Is that true? I'm asking because my tank finished the cycling and i'm looking forward to add some shrimps
curious of this as well. I also hear that CO2 is deteriorates inverts and mystery snail shells. Would love to have some clarification.
that was very helpful. One question, when it comes to mollys, doest it have to be black molly or any other color? thanks for this informative video Tommy!
The common opinion is only the black.
Lóri
Thank you so much…very helpful!
Love these type of videos guys, keep it up!
Glad you like the video. 👍😁
Nice video, once again! :)
Quick question, what's the fish at 1:20 popping up? :)
Thanks. :)
It's Sewellia lineolata.
Lóri
Amazing video! Thank you!
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I had a rubber lipped pleco that was a beast at cleaning algae, only grew to 3-4" also.
Great professional information as always
Thank you Laura 💚
Very informative! Thank you!
Thanks for your kind words and your support. 😇🙏