I have both the Pura X and Pura Max. There are pros and cons to both. Pros of Pura X: It tracks how much litter you have left. The deodorizer sprays into the waste bin. There is a manual deodorizer spray button on it so you don't have to use the app if you don't want to. The elimination of waste into the waste bin is easier since it has that large square it empties into. And the opening is smaller (which could be a con for bigger cats) but for me it keeps mine from kicking litter everywhere. Cons of the Pura X: The litter drawer doesn't do a good job at telling you it's full. When you go to remove the waste it can be over filled and spill out onto the floor. So be vigilant. The waste bin is also not sealed hence the reason for the deodorizer. So sometimes there can be a bit of a smell if you don't use the Arm and Hammer baking soda deodorizer. If you put too much litter in it will give you an error telling you there is a cat in the box when there is not. The filter is also a bit harder to remove and clean than the Max. I personally fiddled with installing our filter for far too long today because of how tight of a fit it is. Pros of Pura Max: Much larger space. Very accessible especially for elderly cats. Easier to disassemble and clean. Separate waste drawer with more space and a lid. Which in my experience cuts down on odor. Also no more issues with poop falling out like with the X. No more cat in litter box error due to too much litter. The filter is much easier to remove and clean than the X because it is easier to grab and pull out. Same with installing it. Cons of Pura Max: It doesn't track your litter levels. It has a deodorizer in the box where the cats go so if your cats are sensitive this may be an issue. (Though you can set it to manual or get a model without it.) The poop chute isn't as effective at removing large pee cakes as the Pura X. Sometimes you need 2 or more cleaning cycles to get high amounts of waste. The poop chute is also harder to clean and access than just a hole in the bottom like with the X. As for the leaking issue that both boxes may have... I've had mine for about a week of heavy use and I have had no issues with leakage at all. But if you know your cat is a high pee-er I would be more cautious. Conclusion: Both models have their pros and cons and I personally enjoy both of them for different reasons. It makes my life a heck of a lot easier and my cats are quite happy. ALSO: In regards to the litter removal plastic for the filters.. They say it's for the Max only on the website but I've used it to dump litter out of my X just fine. Make sure you check your filter if it will fit if you have an X. Pro tip: If worried about your cat's health you can track which cat just used the bathroom OR the frequency of the bathroom and check up on them. Also you can use Pretty Litter/Genius Litter in these just fine. They don't clump but they absorb liquids super easily and keeps things smelling surprisingly well. Just check after your cat has peed to see the status of their health. 😊
I’ve had the Pura X for a year. Love it. Very low maintenance. Odor was an issue at first, so I just mix in some arm and hammer litter deodorizer and that pretty much fixed it.
Thanks for the clear review of both litterboxes, i just ordered the newer Pura max, now i can asl a friend to look after my cats knowing that in the week i am gone he has almost no work on the box !
Company is in China and has no US support/contact. Number on website goes to a multi-distribution warehouse in FL. All emails go to china. This explains why there is no physical address listed on the site. Just got all this from a warehouse worker. This explains why I am having so many issues getting a refund (two weeks now)...if you are thinking about buying this, please do not. The mat in the bottom can be cut by a cats claw and urine will leak down into the base...and the issues go on and on...again, find another product and avoid all the problems I am going through.
My Pura Max problem is urine found deposited at the top of the base unit. One more problem is while on cleaning cycle, it constantly stop for reason cat is using the toilet despite no cat inside it.
Nothing keeps my cats from the tree. They are pretty good with it. They only attack the tree when they are hyper. Mine would ve terrified of a self cleaning box! Great video.
Tyrion always eats the tree and throws up 🥲haha You should try one of these! Both my cats are pretty jumpy but they got used to it within a day :) because it's not loud and goes pretty slow
@@YBChangOfficial hy! is it pussible to 3d print a much bigger liiter tray, i would e hang the machine up, and would like put the plastic bag of the litter tray a max 1 a week or preferably once in 2 weeks, and i have 7 cats and all huge raging from 5kg to 20kg :D
i want an automated litter filler from its litter bagg with a vaccum hose and a measuring unit in the bin that send signal to the vacccum hose how much litter material it needs to fill
Thank you for your review. This is very helpful! I'm thinking of getting a Pura Max for my Siberian cat. Could you please advise if it's okay to use with Pretty litter? Thanks!
Is your cat's name Coco? It's funny to see that in a video. Don't get me wrong, but it sounded funny because here in Brazil, in Portuguese, "cocô" is the same as poop.
I'm seriously considering buying the Pura X, but I'm a bit concerned about the internal size. I noticed that your cats were sticking their heads out when they were using the tray.
Hi there, I have never uses automated pet appliances and because of the price, I had been hesitated for sometime. But your video seem to convince me a little more. Can I check if you are still using Pura Max now? How was the odour control and has it had any malfunction so far? Appreciate if you could share your opinion. Thanks!
How do you clean the box? I use clay cat litter and my cats poop gets stuck to the orange try and the rubber bottom part and it’s so hard for me to get in there
I was wondering if I could train my dog to use this. She is litterbox trained and currently uses pine pellets, but non clumping ones. She is a small mixed breed and she is currently 8lbs and will grow to 10-14lbs in maturity. I wonder if there is any size difference in cats and dogs when it comes to pounds.
Hi,, I have bought a pura max and expecting my cat to come tmr. She is 2 months old (i know she is not allowed to use Pura max until shes 1.5kg.) I have seen a video that a cat was stuck in a toilet machine, and it bothers me a lot. What do u think?
Hi YB, does Pura Max have an option to clear all litter (clean and clumped) to the waste bin so that the barrel is empty before i detach and wash it? Thank you :)
Glad it works for you. We will never buy from them again. A part was bad when we first got it so they sent out a new one really fast but wrong part. They told us to keep it..thanks? So they sent a new one which took weeks. Again wrong part. Now we are confused. Well what did they send this time? A whole new unit. Yeah the part we needed didn't effect the machine from working. Well we thought it was by mistake yet.. every time we called we could only leave a message. We tried email you name it. Never once got back to us. So we gave that one away. We found the "scent's" in China. Yeah the same exact ones all in Chinese but we could get like 3 times as many for the same price. It works great but.. support of us was.. AWESOME? No.. you never handle take care of problems like that. It cost them not us.
In your opinion, which one would u recommend the most? the newest or the pura x? and alsoo which one is dirtier inside? Thanks! a great video! love from indonesia💓
I think you should get the pura max. I have the pura x and the worst downside is the smell from the waste bin since it is not sealed like the pura max.
I haven’t had any problems with smell with both, probably because I placed it near the balcony? Haha but I would also recommend the Pura max! Because the inside & waste bin are bigger so less work 😁 they will both get dirty after a while but it’s super easy to clean!
Is the cat litter mat mandatory for safety ? In the video you said that Pura Max will stop cleaning if the cat approaches it on the Mat. The problem is that I don’t have enough space for the Litter Mat, only for PuraMax. Will the Machine still be safe for the cat ? Thank you.
@@kiratulip Thank You very much. I was afraid that without the Mat the sensors couldn’t work properly, as it is said in the video. But if you tell me everything works fine without it that’s perfect. I just want to be sure that the cat is safe, I will buy the Pura Max, but I don’t really think that there’ll be differences about this topic. So, thank you very much !
Just got one...had it a week and it has already malfunctioned...its a $500 paperweight. Looks like we are heading to our attorneys office to try and force them to take return...I honestly think they don't have the money to refund as I am getting a heck of a run-around.
I got the Pura X recently I was afraid my 18lb mainecoon wouldn't fit but thankfully he's just big enough to be comfortable in it. Wish I had seen the Max cause it was a bit cheaper as well. But I still love the X tho. Works really well.
Thank you for the detailed review, do they have sensor issues often? My litter robot constantly has sensor issues so I start looking for other machines. Can it empty out the litter just push the button? Thanks
I have pura X about a year, do you find the deodorizer for the max wets the litter? That’s a concern I have with upgrading. I’m interested but if it wets the clumping litter I may be using more litter than necessary if I upgrade
the deodorizer is a separate accessory, you don't need it if you are using good litter. just look for one that doesn't bundle the deodoriser and you can save some money as well.
The cat litter box is so cool but how do they know how to use it?🤔 😊 Your cats are so cute. Amazing how Coco is so big now! 🤩 It is funny because my daughter’s name is Terianne, similar to your cat’s name 😂 How about for your dog? How do you clean his waste?
since i used the same litter they always used, they kinda got to it right away! 😂and they were curious about the spinning robot at first but got used to it soon.
omg Terianne! I love that and it sounds more like a girl name than Tyrion which would've been suitable for her 😂😂 we thought she was a boy when we first got her
I'm surprised the cats had no issues with only one litterbox for a year (I remember hearing you should always have one more than you have cats), but I guess if it removes the smell like that through the cleaning and air freshener I see how that would work. I think style wise the Pura X looks cuter, but Coco did look kinda squish in it 😄
we place multiple with litter boxes because theyre not constantly perfectly clean which increases the chances of cats avoiding it and going somewhere else. the litter robot on the other hand cleans the litter immediately so the cats have clean litter available at all times.
I think New one still pretty small for Coco...he can't cover his popo :( I can see he is covering outside of the litter box. Maybe you need the bigger one for Coco XD
Strongly recommend not buying anything from this company. Had the Pura X. The infrared sensor failed but they refuse to fix it because it is past the 12 month warranty. They don't even offer a replacement part or have an option to fix it. They literally offered me a discount on buying a new one. Like why would I buy another >$500 litter box with known faults? Just have a read of the reviews, there are plenty of people with similar sensor failure issues. Buyer beware!!
Never buy from this brand. It is fraud. It took 4 months to ship, and they did not tell you until you miss the chance for dispute. Never never ever try this brand
By the way the mat is nothing to do with detecting cats, there are sensors in the opening for that. It’s purely for catching litter that comes out of the machine. I’ve had lots of issues with the Max, just for the X and urine leaks down through the sides. Both machines are really lacking in quality control.
I have both the Pura X and Pura Max. There are pros and cons to both.
Pros of Pura X:
It tracks how much litter you have left.
The deodorizer sprays into the waste bin.
There is a manual deodorizer spray button on it so you don't have to use the app if you don't want to.
The elimination of waste into the waste bin is easier since it has that large square it empties into.
And the opening is smaller (which could be a con for bigger cats) but for me it keeps mine from kicking litter everywhere.
Cons of the Pura X:
The litter drawer doesn't do a good job at telling you it's full. When you go to remove the waste it can be over filled and spill out onto the floor. So be vigilant.
The waste bin is also not sealed hence the reason for the deodorizer. So sometimes there can be a bit of a smell if you don't use the Arm and Hammer baking soda deodorizer.
If you put too much litter in it will give you an error telling you there is a cat in the box when there is not.
The filter is also a bit harder to remove and clean than the Max. I personally fiddled with installing our filter for far too long today because of how tight of a fit it is.
Pros of Pura Max:
Much larger space. Very accessible especially for elderly cats.
Easier to disassemble and clean.
Separate waste drawer with more space and a lid. Which in my experience cuts down on odor. Also no more issues with poop falling out like with the X.
No more cat in litter box error due to too much litter.
The filter is much easier to remove and clean than the X because it is easier to grab and pull out. Same with installing it.
Cons of Pura Max:
It doesn't track your litter levels.
It has a deodorizer in the box where the cats go so if your cats are sensitive this may be an issue. (Though you can set it to manual or get a model without it.)
The poop chute isn't as effective at removing large pee cakes as the Pura X. Sometimes you need 2 or more cleaning cycles to get high amounts of waste.
The poop chute is also harder to clean and access than just a hole in the bottom like with the X.
As for the leaking issue that both boxes may have... I've had mine for about a week of heavy use and I have had no issues with leakage at all. But if you know your cat is a high pee-er I would be more cautious.
Conclusion: Both models have their pros and cons and I personally enjoy both of them for different reasons. It makes my life a heck of a lot easier and my cats are quite happy.
ALSO: In regards to the litter removal plastic for the filters.. They say it's for the Max only on the website but I've used it to dump litter out of my X just fine. Make sure you check your filter if it will fit if you have an X.
Pro tip: If worried about your cat's health you can track which cat just used the bathroom OR the frequency of the bathroom and check up on them. Also you can use Pretty Litter/Genius Litter in these just fine. They don't clump but they absorb liquids super easily and keeps things smelling surprisingly well. Just check after your cat has peed to see the status of their health. 😊
I’ve had the Pura X for a year. Love it. Very low maintenance. Odor was an issue at first, so I just mix in some arm and hammer litter deodorizer and that pretty much fixed it.
I’ve just learned why mine wasn’t working thanks for letting me know it doesn’t work on carpet 😊
Thanks for the clear review of both litterboxes, i just ordered the newer Pura max, now i can asl a friend to look after my cats knowing that in the week i am gone he has almost no work on the box !
Extremely helpful review, thank you!! Leaning towards the Max, just so much bigger than my Modkat!
I just purchased 2 of these (the Pura Max) and I'm quite pleased with them......I don't miss scooping all day at all :)
Are they still working well? I’m considering one Vs the liter robot
I heard there was a leaking issue, did it happen with you?
Coco is so big and fluffy now!! 🐱😺😲
He is!! 😍
Super great comparison between these 2 models. Thank you!
This was a great video. I can't wait for our Max to arrive this week.
Company is in China and has no US support/contact. Number on website goes to a multi-distribution warehouse in FL. All emails go to china. This explains why there is no physical address listed on the site. Just got all this from a warehouse worker. This explains why I am having so many issues getting a refund (two weeks now)...if you are thinking about buying this, please do not. The mat in the bottom can be cut by a cats claw and urine will leak down into the base...and the issues go on and on...again, find another product and avoid all the problems I am going through.
Thank You YB Chang, Very well explained. Have a gr8 continuous with it and cats. Good luck. 🙌👍🖤
WAIT I WAS JUST SEARCHING THIS AND was just reading through the comment but then i saw you on top of my screen and HEY I KNOWWW YOUUU YB HAHAHAH
I just ordered this litterbox so excited :)
Is the mat required for both litter boxes to work or can you opt to not use the mat?
Thank you, great review and answered all my questions. Excellent!
My Pura Max problem is urine found deposited at the top of the base unit.
One more problem is while on cleaning cycle, it constantly stop for reason cat is using the toilet despite no cat inside it.
Nothing keeps my cats from the tree. They are pretty good with it. They only attack the tree when they are hyper. Mine would ve terrified of a self cleaning box! Great video.
Tyrion always eats the tree and throws up 🥲haha
You should try one of these! Both my cats are pretty jumpy but they got used to it within a day :) because it's not loud and goes pretty slow
@@YBChangOfficial hy! is it pussible to 3d print a much bigger liiter tray, i would e hang the machine up, and would like put the plastic bag of the litter tray a max 1 a week or preferably once in 2 weeks, and i have 7 cats and all huge raging from 5kg to 20kg :D
i want an automated litter filler from its litter bagg with a vaccum hose and a measuring unit in the bin that send signal to the vacccum hose how much litter material it needs to fill
So which one is bigger and with greater capacity?
Thank you for your review. This is very helpful! I'm thinking of getting a Pura Max for my Siberian cat. Could you please advise if it's okay to use with Pretty litter? Thanks!
SOLD. I was almost going to get LR but this one seems so much better.
Hey!! Your discount code isn’t working on the website. I want to make sure you get your commission.
Pura max no have empty mode but pura x self empty..!
I bought pura max for maincoon, just get it hope it’s useful for us…
Is your cat's name Coco? It's funny to see that in a video. Don't get me wrong, but it sounded funny because here in Brazil, in Portuguese, "cocô" is the same as poop.
Love this video. Thank you
Very helpful, thank you!
Great video so helpful! ♥️
I'm seriously considering buying the Pura X, but I'm a bit concerned about the internal size. I noticed that your cats were sticking their heads out when they were using the tray.
I have a 13 pound cat and she fits fine! She actually really likes it
Can you link which tiles you bought ? That would be very helpful! Thanks again for the awesome review!!!
A very cleat concise review. Thank you!
I just wish you said how much they are going for.
How are you empting the litter in the pura max? The pura X has a empty existing litter feature but the pura max does not.
hi, thank you for your video review.. but when the cat goes to the bathroom do you smell the smell in the room?? thank you ;)
Hi there, I have never uses automated pet appliances and because of the price, I had been hesitated for sometime. But your video seem to convince me a little more. Can I check if you are still using Pura Max now? How was the odour control and has it had any malfunction so far? Appreciate if you could share your opinion. Thanks!
fast forward to 2:51
How’s customer service?
How do you clean the box? I use clay cat litter and my cats poop gets stuck to the orange try and the rubber bottom part and it’s so hard for me to get in there
hi, the size/weight of your cats? I'm afraid my Norwegian cats are too big
can you do a pura max update video since it's been a few months now since you first got it?
I was wondering if I could train my dog to use this. She is litterbox trained and currently uses pine pellets, but non clumping ones. She is a small mixed breed and she is currently 8lbs and will grow to 10-14lbs in maturity. I wonder if there is any size difference in cats and dogs when it comes to pounds.
i feel like it's totally possible!!
Went to buy and your promo code isn't working 😒?. Any suggestions?
WHERE does this ship from? I was quoted a shipping cost of $500 to Canada!!
Hi there! Do you have an updated code as this one does not seem to work anymore? Thanks in advance!
This was a very helpful review thank you. Good comparison.
Do you have to buy and use the petkit disposable bags or can you use any garbage bags? Also my older cat is about 18 lbs do you think it will works?
you shouldn't have much trouble finding a regular garbage bags that fits.
How do you add more air purifying liquid? Do you have to empty out the litter completely? Do you have a video on that process?
Hi,, I have bought a pura max and expecting my cat to come tmr. She is 2 months old (i know she is not allowed to use Pura max until shes 1.5kg.) I have seen a video that a cat was stuck in a toilet machine, and it bothers me a lot. What do u think?
Did your discount code expire?
Great video 😊❤️📸
Hi YB, does Pura Max have an option to clear all litter (clean and clumped) to the waste bin so that the barrel is empty before i detach and wash it? Thank you :)
The litter robot does*
what litter use for pura max?
Hey! Thanks for the video! I tried to use the promo code but it didn’t work. Did it expire?
Glad it works for you. We will never buy from them again. A part was bad when we first got it so they sent out a new one really fast but wrong part. They told us to keep it..thanks? So they sent a new one which took weeks. Again wrong part. Now we are confused. Well what did they send this time? A whole new unit. Yeah the part we needed didn't effect the machine from working. Well we thought it was by mistake yet.. every time we called we could only leave a message. We tried email you name it. Never once got back to us. So we gave that one away.
We found the "scent's" in China. Yeah the same exact ones all in Chinese but we could get like 3 times as many for the same price. It works great but.. support of us was.. AWESOME? No.. you never handle take care of problems like that. It cost them not us.
Thank u for the review it helped me a lot🥰🙏 but I have one question does the litter box have a bad smell like does it make the whole room smell bad?
Yes it does. My room stinks
What kind of litter is that?
this was so helpful!
In your opinion, which one would u recommend the most? the newest or the pura x? and alsoo which one is dirtier inside? Thanks! a great video! love from indonesia💓
I think you should get the pura max. I have the pura x and the worst downside is the smell from the waste bin since it is not sealed like the pura max.
I haven’t had any problems with smell with both, probably because I placed it near the balcony? Haha but I would also recommend the Pura max! Because the inside & waste bin are bigger so less work 😁 they will both get dirty after a while but it’s super easy to clean!
@@YBChangOfficial wow great! do the pura max has ability to throw away the dirty litter automatically? or we have to do it manually?
@@TheManoloabc ok thankyou!😊
@@ameliasarah2966 unfortunately no, that's one drawback of moving the waste bin to the side
Tq for this! ❤️🥰💪🏽
How can I order using your link pls 😊
Wish they made a Grey one as well.
How can you give an unbiased review with them as the sponsor?
The coupon doesn't work :(
Is the cat litter mat mandatory for safety ? In the video you said that Pura Max will stop cleaning if the cat approaches it on the Mat. The problem is that I don’t have enough space for the Litter Mat, only for PuraMax. Will the Machine still be safe for the cat ? Thank you.
@@kiratulip Thank You very much. I was afraid that without the Mat the sensors couldn’t work properly, as it is said in the video. But if you tell me everything works fine without it that’s perfect. I just want to be sure that the cat is safe, I will buy the Pura Max, but I don’t really think that there’ll be differences about this topic. So, thank you very much !
How loud is it when in operation?
Super quiet.
Thanks. Thinking to buy whether X or Max....holiday is coming and cat boarding already full! I am going for the max.
Girl I would 100% get this but it’s too expensive for me right now 😭😭😭
look out for their sales!! it's so worth itttt
I totally get what you mean! I’ve had cats 15 years now and I think it’s finally worth getting it because I’m so over scooping everyday lol 😅
Does the sensor mat come with the Pura Max?
yep! :)
What's the weight of your ragdoll?
Thanks for the review. Which pine litter do you use? 🤔
I use Okocat's original clumping wood litter!!
Just got one...had it a week and it has already malfunctioned...its a $500 paperweight. Looks like we are heading to our attorneys office to try and force them to take return...I honestly think they don't have the money to refund as I am getting a heck of a run-around.
Did you ever get your money back?
They say the warranty is 1 year
I got the Pura X recently I was afraid my 18lb mainecoon wouldn't fit but thankfully he's just big enough to be comfortable in it. Wish I had seen the Max cause it was a bit cheaper as well. But I still love the X tho. Works really well.
This video was soooooo helpful!! Thank you!
Thank you for the detailed review, do they have sensor issues often? My litter robot constantly has sensor issues so I start looking for other machines. Can it empty out the litter just push the button? Thanks
what litter are you using?
Okocat's original clumping wood litter!
www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/okocat-original-premium-clumping-wood-cat-litter
Omg very uswful. Too bad I missed the code
I have pura X about a year, do you find the deodorizer for the max wets the litter? That’s a concern I have with upgrading. I’m interested but if it wets the clumping litter I may be using more litter than necessary if I upgrade
the deodorizer is a separate accessory, you don't need it if you are using good litter. just look for one that doesn't bundle the deodoriser and you can save some money as well.
wish the cat boxes were much bigger. i hate my cats body touching the sides of the inside and getting litter on them
the pura max is big enough i think! Coco never gets anything on him :)
Discount code doesn't work...
The cat litter box is so cool but how do they know how to use it?🤔 😊
Your cats are so cute. Amazing how Coco is so big now! 🤩 It is funny because my daughter’s name is Terianne, similar to your cat’s name 😂
How about for your dog? How do you clean his waste?
since i used the same litter they always used, they kinda got to it right away! 😂and they were curious about the spinning robot at first but got used to it soon.
omg Terianne! I love that and it sounds more like a girl name than Tyrion which would've been suitable for her 😂😂 we thought she was a boy when we first got her
for my dog Louis we take him out on a walk every 4-5 hours :)
I'm surprised the cats had no issues with only one litterbox for a year (I remember hearing you should always have one more than you have cats), but I guess if it removes the smell like that through the cleaning and air freshener I see how that would work.
I think style wise the Pura X looks cuter, but Coco did look kinda squish in it 😄
Litter robots are different. Because they clean after every use, you’re ok to have 1 litter robot even if you have 2 cats.
we place multiple with litter boxes because theyre not constantly perfectly clean which increases the chances of cats avoiding it and going somewhere else. the litter robot on the other hand cleans the litter immediately so the cats have clean litter available at all times.
I think New one still pretty small for Coco...he can't cover his popo :( I can see he is covering outside of the litter box.
Maybe you need the bigger one for Coco XD
haha he's been doing that since he was a baby!! 🤣 like he never covers the poop but "wipes" his paws outside 😂🤣
Where are those barriers around your tree from? I think I need something like that for my dogs! 😝
Amazon! hehe www.amazon.com/dp/B08PYYSR64
@@YBChangOfficial thank you!
One of my kitty is scared of the pura Max 😖
Strongly recommend not buying anything from this company. Had the Pura X. The infrared sensor failed but they refuse to fix it because it is past the 12 month warranty. They don't even offer a replacement part or have an option to fix it. They literally offered me a discount on buying a new one. Like why would I buy another >$500 litter box with known faults? Just have a read of the reviews, there are plenty of people with similar sensor failure issues. Buyer beware!!
👍🥰😻😻
Never buy from this brand. It is fraud. It took 4 months to ship, and they did not tell you until you miss the chance for dispute. Never never ever try this brand
How can you review something if the company pay you to make it? 🤔
By the way the mat is nothing to do with detecting cats, there are sensors in the opening for that. It’s purely for catching litter that comes out of the machine.
I’ve had lots of issues with the Max, just for the X and urine leaks down through the sides. Both machines are really lacking in quality control.
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Petkit
Catlink
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Use centimeters and kilos too. You're on youtube, not a local tv. This review is useless to me