the windshield is so clear i thought this was somehow an xjr turned into a can am type ca for a second, then noticed the wiper isnt an antenna. then the glare .
The NA 3.5L rule was the idiocy that killed the glorious sportscar racing that was Group C. Before that, you could use whatever engine. Fuel flow and fuel consumption was the equalizer and limiter. It was a great time, great diversity. Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes, Mazda... Then the idiotic 3.5 rule. They couldn't get a full field, so let the old cars compete, but with ballast. Then they allowed Mazda to compete in Le Mans without the ballast, which they promptly won. Then, afterwards, they banned rotary Wankel engines to correct the unfairness. And XJR14 won all other races, because it was the only serious NA 3.5L entry. The manufacturers who had lobbied for the 3.5L rule, Peugeot, Renault, Ferrari, Matra, never came. What a fiasco. Sports car racing never became the same again. And right now it's really crappy. Even Toyota could finally win. ...Alone.
what, are you assuming people who know nothing whatsoever about racing are watching this video? way to restate extremely common and well known information..... and what sources do you have that Ferrari, Matra and Renault "lobbied" for the 3.5L rule?? Bernie Ecclestone is largely responsible for that rule being implemented, no one had to "lobby" for it. And if you had even the slightest clue, you would know that Peugeot indeed was one of the frontrunners for the 3.5L era, in fact winning Le Mans twice with the 905. So your just outright incorrect and ignorant there. Lastly, Toyota wasn't "alone." They simply were the only car competing with a hybrid powertrain, thats it. It doesn't guarantee you anything, your absolutely retarded to try and take that away, because if they lost , they would be criticized even worse. When Audi won in 2000 for their first time, they literally faced no competition either. Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Toyota AND Nissan all left at the same time. Yet apparently for Audi it doesn't matter. Dumbasses like you aren't even real motorsports fans, you clearly dont watch any races and never have.
@@kyongslist Peugeot was the front runner in a dead class. The only Le Mans they had any legit competition their two cars lasted less then 100 laps combined. Toyota winning in a dead class is just deja vu.
@@redlinelmp5549 Fuq off asshole, Audi benefited for years (diesel bs rules) from being dead too, the rules didnt allow for Gas powered cars to be competitive and the ACO knew that yet did nothing.
When the XJR-14 showed up in IMSA in 92 it (piloted by Davy Jones) lowered the lap record at Miami by 4 seconds. The car took track records at: Mid Ohio, Lime Rock, Road Atlanta and the short course record at Watkins Glen, which still stands.
The only group C/GTP that could probably challenge or beat it in term of lap time back in the days were Toyota TS010 and Peugeot 905. Sad that the XJR14 1992 did not compete in Europe and at Le Mans.
these cars are the best racing machines ever. they look perfect and are more than fast enough..this one was lapping just 12 seconds slower than the F1 car this year !!
@@austinc.1495They were required to enter the 3.5 car under the rules, but they intended it to race it for just an hour to show they were quicker than the Peugeot's, sadly Andy Wallace buzzed the engine in qualifying which meant they didn't have a proper run for pole. The lap it did for 2nd was in damp conditions compared to the Mercedes.
Awesome machines. Saw C9s and C11s at Le Mans and Silverstone/Brands/Donington. The 1991 race the Sauber mechs held up 'Dino' signs at the finish as they had christened the C11 a dinosaur compared to the XJR-14/C-291/Peugeot 905 etc.
These cars were built to comply with completely different regulations...! The Sauber weights 150 kg more than the Jaguar! That’s why its slower in the corners!
Brazilians are passionate about racing cars, but has no races in Brazil with these supercars, only runs with tourism cars. People in Brazil have come to know these supercars playing Gran Turismo and Forza. But see in real life, the real car is much more fun and exciting.
WAIT A FEW YEARS TO SEE REABILITY AND WE TALK AGAIN!!!!!!! TURBOS HAVE EXPIRATION DATE!!!!!NOWDAYS MOST PARTS OF AN ENGINE ARE MADE FROM PLASTIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!!!SUCH A PITY!!!!!!!
+turboslag +MarcoAntonio The cars were buit to fulfill very different regulations: The Sauber is from 1990 and had a 5.0 liter turbocharged V8 with approx. 730 bhp and tons of torque, making it fast on the straights! However the weight was 900 kg, where the Jaguar was build to the new 1991 regulations: weighing only 750 kg, but having a 3.5 L N/A engine with approx. 600-650 bhp, and much less torque! This should explain the difference in performance.
+Michael I. Hansen thank you for the explanation; vid very interesting though, quite surprised the jag managed to muscle past actually, and hold off the merc on the next straight;
+turboslag The Jag is in fact a Closed F1.That's also why it is better in the corners. Also the C11 driver isn't that good in terms of lines. The C11 is a great car,with a great aero.
Great in car...lots of work...lots of great closing speed shots (155mph+)...lots of carrying speed shots...lots of "all mosts"...and then!...lots of fun to watch!... was that a win by the Jag or just a match race?
Raced Jaguar for 10 years...The Sauber was slow in the corners (ran out of rubber). Missed shift in corner one gave it the pass. Blocked at least 6 times. Oh and this was qual. by the way. This race was not 2015.
Sauber did not have good cornering speed. Glad you passed them. He was blocking you so much , cutting into the corner when ever you had a chance to pass. Isn't that a cowardly move? dangerous also. Glad you passed Him.
+James Edwards it isn't 300 more and also there is the weight difference so power to weight almost the same and also the Tractive effort is different jag is 6 speed box etc
+Alfie Briggs Racing is it 400hp more? I was at Silverstone in 1991 when the Jag won, obviously the "proper" group C cars were not able to run full power due to restricted fuel use. I was informed that the merc was running over 900bhp here?
Think no, C11 generate more downforce and was never prepared for LM like C9, but with adequate gear ratios and air flow upgrades (less downforce) it will be at least on level of C9.
@@joshuak4372 Said never like C9 because they run on different LM arrangement, no need for such max speed. Overall C11 is faster around circuit, but not sure for max sped.
Jag driver is better. Sauber is better on straight exel. Who the fuck is this Sauber driver ? You do not do what this S. driver does. I´ve been racing with cars and bikes; one does not do that Sauber driver does.
These cars were built to comply with completely different regulations...! The Sauber weights 150 kg more than the Jaguar! That’s why its slower in the corners!
Jag wins, despite clown of a driver over revving on both up and down shifts, and missing gears!! Put Andy Wallace, Teo Fabi or Martin Brundle in the Jag and see what it can really do. When you hold a gear too long, all your torque has long gone. And for all you fanboys making excuses for the Merc, don't embarrass yourselves! These cars raced each other in the real world and the Jag still won under race regulations, fair and square!
Still the Mazda 787B was absolutely crap compared to the Sauber Mercedes C11 in performance. The only race the 787B won was the 1991 24 hours of Le Mans thanks to that both Sauber Mercedes C11s in front of it retired by mechanical issues or driver errors.
Actually they aren't t that fast. But the avon tyres this cars drive and the driver is way slower than f1 drivers is the main reason for speed difference. In Silverstone this car lapped 1:43 in the hands of marc gene....
@@thethirdman225 I'm talking about lap times (at low downforce tracks such as Circuit de la Sarthe, Monza, Spa, Daytona...etc). Also this car on low downforce setting turn to dust any LMP2 in drag race.
Dumb sauber driver, and he ruined the fastest lap from the jag....and it was just practise,seems that ego's are sometimes to big.....btw great vid again!
+Andrew Elias Very precious car nowadays. Won manufactures championship, won over half the races entered. Schumacher drove it. I would be careful as well if I had almost 1k hp and 900 kilos to deal with that I did not own.
+Robert Merritt You mean Schumacher was the second driver...Jochen Mass his leader was faster and so was Mauro Baldi the other supremely expert sportcars driver
Dick move on the Jag driver between 16:53 and 16:55. Cut off the heavier cars line of approach in a historic themed practice. Thats even a Big NO NO even in Championship races. No touch and no forcing your opponent out of his line its just rude.
+banjitson420 the c11 taped the Jag not the other way around. He gave the Merc plenty of space even though the Merc tried to close the door on him the turn earlier.
That's some pretty impressive performance for being in neutral the whole time!! :P
+Ferrariman601 and without touching the throttle at all..XD
omg scrolling down to comments and who do i see!! xD haha
Shit some one realised it faster than me
I have seen it in first it just takes off second actually makes anybody out side the car age 80years
maybe that was a error
It's great to see these cars still being used!
Sauber driver was struggling after a few rounds.. great driving by the guy in the Jaguar 👏
I really do like the cocoon design of the XJR-14 (and the MXR-01), it gives the driver amazing visibility!
The C11 too!! These cars seems very confortable at visibility
the windshield is so clear i thought this was somehow an xjr turned into a can am type ca for a second, then noticed the wiper isnt an antenna. then the glare .
Me too!
Holy crap, I was thinking "I don't remember a Group C open cockpit Jag" and was about to start googling until I read this comment.
The NA 3.5L rule was the idiocy that killed the glorious sportscar racing that was Group C. Before that, you could use whatever engine. Fuel flow and fuel consumption was the equalizer and limiter. It was a great time, great diversity. Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes, Mazda... Then the idiotic 3.5 rule. They couldn't get a full field, so let the old cars compete, but with ballast. Then they allowed Mazda to compete in Le Mans without the ballast, which they promptly won. Then, afterwards, they banned rotary Wankel engines to correct the unfairness. And XJR14 won all other races, because it was the only serious NA 3.5L entry. The manufacturers who had lobbied for the 3.5L rule, Peugeot, Renault, Ferrari, Matra, never came. What a fiasco. Sports car racing never became the same again. And right now it's really crappy. Even Toyota could finally win. ...Alone.
what, are you assuming people who know nothing whatsoever about racing are watching this video? way to restate extremely common and well known information..... and what sources do you have that Ferrari, Matra and Renault "lobbied" for the 3.5L rule?? Bernie Ecclestone is largely responsible for that rule being implemented, no one had to "lobby" for it. And if you had even the slightest clue, you would know that Peugeot indeed was one of the frontrunners for the 3.5L era, in fact winning Le Mans twice with the 905. So your just outright incorrect and ignorant there. Lastly, Toyota wasn't "alone." They simply were the only car competing with a hybrid powertrain, thats it. It doesn't guarantee you anything, your absolutely retarded to try and take that away, because if they lost , they would be criticized even worse. When Audi won in 2000 for their first time, they literally faced no competition either. Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Toyota AND Nissan all left at the same time. Yet apparently for Audi it doesn't matter. Dumbasses like you aren't even real motorsports fans, you clearly dont watch any races and never have.
@@kyongslist Peugeot was the front runner in a dead class. The only Le Mans they had any legit competition their two cars lasted less then 100 laps combined. Toyota winning in a dead class is just deja vu.
Aston Martin 6.5 N/A will change that
@@redlinelmp5549 Fuq off asshole, Audi benefited for years (diesel bs rules) from being dead too, the rules didnt allow for Gas powered cars to be competitive and the ACO knew that yet did nothing.
Credits: Bernie Shit Eclestone
When the XJR-14 showed up in IMSA in 92 it (piloted by Davy Jones) lowered the lap record at Miami by 4 seconds. The car took track records at: Mid Ohio, Lime Rock, Road Atlanta and the short course record at Watkins Glen, which still stands.
The only group C/GTP that could probably challenge or beat it in term of lap time back in the days were Toyota TS010 and Peugeot 905. Sad that the XJR14 1992 did not compete in Europe and at Le Mans.
@@arkeusalexander9054 Maybe the Toyota Eagle MKIII.
these cars are the best racing machines ever. they look perfect and are more than fast enough..this one was lapping just 12 seconds slower than the F1 car this year !!
C11 has easily +200PS but it is heavier due to the series rules. XJ14 is great in the corners. I wish we knew the drivers. Great video!
The moment you realise that he is going 280km/h in Gear Neutral!...
it was basically a F1 ford engine ....it never raced at Le Mans because they knew it would not last .
it did qualify second behind the mercedes in 1991 but they didnt start it deciding to focus on the older xjr 12
@@austinc.1495They were required to enter the 3.5 car under the rules, but they intended it to race it for just an hour to show they were quicker than the Peugeot's, sadly Andy Wallace buzzed the engine in qualifying which meant they didn't have a proper run for pole. The lap it did for 2nd was in damp conditions compared to the Mercedes.
that Sauber was racing with 1990 spec? (way faster than 1991 spec)
There one car I would like to see race on a track and it’s one of the loudest ever the Lola T92/10 but can o my find a couple and no on board
ルマンカーはたいてい右ハンドルで右手シフトなんだけどジャギュアは左手シフトなんだな？。
Love that aren’t using the idiotic chicane before the last turn. Bravo!
Damn..that Sauber got some long legs, totally walked away in the straights.
Fucken hopeless in the corners.
Gotta love that screaming 12.000 rpm of the Jaguar.
TORQUE POWER OF THE C-11 IN ACCLERATION AND TOP SPEED
17:00 hehe.. driver of shit ..in front of you ! ( dont now the track )
good work frend !
Awesome machines. Saw C9s and C11s at Le Mans and Silverstone/Brands/Donington. The 1991 race the Sauber mechs held up 'Dino' signs at the finish as they had christened the C11 a dinosaur compared to the XJR-14/C-291/Peugeot 905 etc.
Nice drive- Sauber messed that corner up consistently. Nice drive
Sauber is very fast and need better driver.
+Tony Valdez
Agree. Possible he was learning the track. Looked better in subsequent laps
Do you know who was driving
These cars were built to comply with completely different regulations...!
The Sauber weights 150 kg more than the Jaguar!
That’s why its slower in the corners!
@@Michaelingolfhansen yes but that turbo when kicks in...
@@DukeOfCurling jag was taking better lines than the merc. Thats how he forced him into a mistake running wide.
Dlaczego zwalniacie na zakrętach!
The track map is wrong (the option or better mutation for F1), here the wider hairpin and no chicane, the old track. F1 would do about 1:12.
Oh man those corner chances to pass ..I was like take him take him take him!!!
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Brazilians are passionate about racing cars, but has no races in Brazil with these supercars, only runs with tourism cars. People in Brazil have come to know these supercars playing Gran Turismo and Forza. But see in real life, the real car is much more fun and exciting.
NA ENGINES ALWAYS AHEAD OF TURBOS !!!!!!
I am on your side but if you look what the turbo merc is doing with the jaguar on the start finish straight, you have to give the turbo the point.
WAIT A FEW YEARS TO SEE REABILITY AND WE TALK AGAIN!!!!!!! TURBOS HAVE EXPIRATION DATE!!!!!NOWDAYS MOST PARTS OF AN ENGINE ARE MADE FROM PLASTIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!!!SUCH A PITY!!!!!!!
nice battle the c11 is so fast in the straight but the xjr-14 is much better in the corners
rasplax2 Or the driver of the C11 isn't as good, his lines were a bit off.
+turboslag +MarcoAntonio
The cars were buit to fulfill very different regulations:
The Sauber is from 1990 and had a 5.0 liter turbocharged V8 with approx. 730 bhp and tons of torque, making it fast on the straights! However the weight was 900 kg, where the Jaguar was build to the new 1991 regulations: weighing only 750 kg, but having a 3.5 L N/A engine with approx. 600-650 bhp, and much less torque!
This should explain the difference in performance.
+Michael I. Hansen thank you for the explanation; vid very interesting though, quite surprised the jag managed to muscle past actually, and hold off the merc on the next straight;
Michael I. Hansen
Probably more to it than that. Were both cars set up well? Relative driver skills? Tyres? Lots of variables.
+turboslag The Jag is in fact a Closed F1.That's also why it is better in the corners. Also the C11 driver isn't that good in terms of lines. The C11 is a great car,with a great aero.
Best car racing video on RUclips. As a Jaguar sportscar owner I was slapping my thigh and tearful when he got past. Thanks for posting.
Did anyone notice that the c11 spun out?
Looks like the Jag cut him off and created contact.
Under pressure
@@georgerosebush9754 Payback.
Great in car...lots of work...lots of great closing speed shots (155mph+)...lots of carrying speed shots...lots of "all mosts"...and then!...lots of fun to watch!... was that a win by the Jag or just a match race?
177 MPH
This dude cant drive. Hard to watch.
The Sauber has impressive boost
this cam made it look like a radical sr3
by far one of my most favorite group c livery thanks for this
Did you ever hear a Sauber in real life? That thing is a monster, it sounds so mean, I think in acceleration there is no match 👍
11:18 That was unfair
Raced Jaguar for 10 years...The Sauber was slow in the corners (ran out of rubber). Missed shift in corner one gave it the pass. Blocked at least 6 times. Oh and this was qual. by the way. This race was not 2015.
Hes putting the pressure on him big time ..if I was in the lead ..I would have folded and crashed under the intense pressure to keep the jaguar off me
beautiful
元々 High Torque同士なので、あとはスピード勝負って感じですね。
By the way...that "neutral" is called 4th gear feather ...
Mi civic is faster its got nos and a K&N but the nos is hiden because its ilegal
Epic battle, between two of the best sounding V8s ever built! The 16:53 question is: what happened...? 18:36
jag is a v10, i think the mercedes spun on the kurbing or the jag hit him
@@austinc.1495 I was thinking the same! Jag is defo a V8 though…
Yeah the jag engine was a Cosworth V8 out of the Benetton B190 F1 car
@@austinc.1495 when the Jag took the outside line in the corner, the merco thouch the Jag at the rear right ans spun. Iguess so.
@austinc.1495 you're probably thinking of the peugeot 905 v10 from the same year
Sauber did not have good cornering speed. Glad you passed them. He was blocking you so much , cutting into the corner when ever you had a chance to pass. Isn't that a cowardly move? dangerous also. Glad you passed Him.
@Kiki Sw sauber c11 is worse at corners due to its +150 kg .
The Sauber ran out of rubber. Had to resort to blocking. I guess idle is 12,000 RPM's lol
If you think you really want to go 175 plus...believe me...you really don't. A fraction of a second can change your life
You can see how that lower mass of the XJR-14 just eats up the braking distance. Both absolutely stunning cars.
look how that mercy pulls away
Most amazing part of this how little the merc pulls away.. She was running 300bhp more than than the Jaguar
+James Edwards Merc isn't running that much more power and it is heavier
+Alfie Briggs Racing 300hp is quite a lot more!
+James Edwards it isn't 300 more and also there is the weight difference so power to weight almost the same and also the Tractive effort is different jag is 6 speed box etc
+Alfie Briggs Racing is it 400hp more? I was at Silverstone in 1991 when the Jag won, obviously the "proper" group C cars were not able to run full power due to restricted fuel use.
I was informed that the merc was running over 900bhp here?
Is the c11 faster than the c9
Think no, C11 generate more downforce and was never prepared for LM like C9, but with adequate gear ratios and air flow upgrades (less downforce) it will be at least on level of C9.
@@drluiggi never prepared for LM? Completed 355 laps. There isn't much more than that.
@@joshuak4372 Said never like C9 because they run on different LM arrangement, no need for such max speed.
Overall C11 is faster around circuit, but not sure for max sped.
Amazing footage! Thankyou!
the fact that this car win more race then C11 that year
no sirprise , c11 was killed by regulations
Jaguar won there world sport car championship
@@kierenboimufc5940 The C11 did that a year before with ease.
Jag driver is better. Sauber is better on straight exel. Who the fuck is this Sauber driver ? You do not do what this S. driver does. I´ve been racing with cars and bikes; one does not do that Sauber driver does.
It was defensive as had to block the apex for the jag
These cars were built to comply with completely different regulations...!
The Sauber weights 150 kg more than the Jaguar!
That’s why its slower in the corners!
@@Michaelingolfhansen The Sauber driver made a lot of mistakes.
Jag wins, despite clown of a driver over revving on both up and down shifts, and missing gears!! Put Andy Wallace, Teo Fabi or Martin Brundle in the Jag and see what it can really do. When you hold a gear too long, all your torque has long gone. And for all you fanboys making excuses for the Merc, don't embarrass yourselves! These cars raced each other in the real world and the Jag still won under race regulations, fair and square!
Of course, but they race in different class! So don't embarrass yourself, but learn some about racing rules.
No
They faced in the same class the c9 was penalised more for weight
Thanks driver is scared to put his foot down on the pedal maybe he doesn't want to bump into the c11
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Could keep up with that C11 through the twisty stuff, but once it got on the main straight, that C11 just yeeted out of there.
Sauber is way much faster in straights
Didn’t pay off though, did it?
ah group C houses the best and most exquisite protoype cars in history... like the almighty 787b
Fulgore Elite jaguar wasn’t that far behind at Le Mans with old cars
Still the Mazda 787B was absolutely crap compared to the Sauber Mercedes C11 in performance. The only race the 787B won was the 1991 24 hours of Le Mans thanks to that both Sauber Mercedes C11s in front of it retired by mechanical issues or driver errors.
There was nothing almighty about the 787B.
The fact that F1 is in every corner 20-70% faster than this cars is noteworthy.
Actually they aren't t that fast. But the avon tyres this cars drive and the driver is way slower than f1 drivers is the main reason for speed difference. In Silverstone this car lapped 1:43 in the hands of marc gene....
any know who the drivers where ?
+Toinou666 Rui aguas is in c11 and Herve in jag both pros
@@AlfieBriggsRacing Rui is currently a Silver License thats not even close to pro and at 42 not likely getting better, not sure about Herve.
British VS German
Weesky sauber are swiss
= Brexit.
178mph ain't to shabby for an old, rare & valuable sports car :)
It was far from going all out. If this was an actual competition it would be another story.
@@arkeusalexander9054 What would that other story be?
@@thethirdman225 It would be as fast as LMP2 in low downforce setup tracks including Spa.
@@arkeusalexander9054 Depends what you mean by ‘fast’. Would that result in lower lap times or just a higher top speed?
@@thethirdman225 I'm talking about lap times (at low downforce tracks such as Circuit de la Sarthe, Monza, Spa, Daytona...etc).
Also this car on low downforce setting turn to dust any LMP2 in drag race.
Dumb sauber driver, and he ruined the fastest lap from the jag....and it was just practise,seems that ego's are sometimes to big.....btw great vid again!
It was a race
If the Sauber driver had as much balls as he did horsepower, he would have been out of sight after lap 3.
+Andrew Elias Very precious car nowadays. Won manufactures championship, won over half the races entered. Schumacher drove it. I would be careful as well if I had almost 1k hp and 900 kilos to deal with that I did not own.
+Andrew Elias Perhaps it was slower in the corners but faster in the straights?
+Andrew Elias you would have done better I am sure... you definitely wouldnt worry about the value of the car either...
+Marco Tavella both cars have almost same power to weight but jag has better aero
+Robert Merritt You mean Schumacher was the second driver...Jochen Mass his leader was faster and so was Mauro Baldi the other supremely expert sportcars driver
A classic case of more money than talent, C11 driver clueless.
Dick move on the Jag driver between 16:53 and 16:55. Cut off the heavier cars line of approach in a historic themed practice. Thats even a Big NO NO even in Championship races. No touch and no forcing your opponent out of his line its just rude.
+banjitson420 the c11 taped the Jag not the other way around. He gave the Merc plenty of space even though the Merc tried to close the door on him the turn earlier.
+Themayseffect it was race not practice and jag turned in accross the front of the Merc
Alfie Briggs Racing I fail to see your point.
+Themayseffect the jag turned accros the c11 and the c11 couldn't move that's why there was contact
Turbocharged cars will always have a advantage on the straight, but that Jaguar xjr 14 V12 sounds Amazing😍😍😍
Xjr 14 is a V8 my friend.
God this car sound awful. sounds like a piece of shit inline 4. c11 is music to my ears
God this car sound awful. sounds like a piece of shit inline 4. c11 is music to my ears
You know that the engine is a V8, right?
What!??! That's a 3.5L V8 that screams like a motorcycle engine! And the -14 is still beautiful after all these years.
@@AC_702 I think he one of those guys who thinks all engines should sound like NASCAR.
the slowest racing cars i've ever seen
that was the C9 and it hit 248
@bbpetrov go home kid you're drunk...
The C9 did hit 248mph during La Mans in 1989 but the C11 had a top speed of 252mph.