Pack Hunter: Why Gjallarhorn is the Best Exotic in Destiny 2
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Alternate titles:
- How One Exotic Permanently Forged Destiny’s DPS Meta
- This Exotic is BETTER than Well and Tether COMBINED…
- The Most Broken Weapon in Destiny PvE History… and Bungie Won’t Touch It
- This One Trick Allows a BLUE ROCKET to do MORE Damage than Exotics…
- How to Kill Every Raid Boss in under 8 Seconds
- The Exotic that Killed Linears, Swords, and Everything Else
They might all sound ridiculous, but they’re all completely true. Pack Hunter takes a fantastic exotic that affects a leading power weapon class and removes any and all competition in the matter. After weeks and weeks of testing the perk’s effects, I can comfortably support all of these statements, and in this video, we’ll explore just how and why Pack Hunter makes Gjallarhorn the most broken exotic this game has ever seen, full stop.
(and sorry about some of the weird narration jumps, Resolve made some of my voiceover really weird so I had to re-record some sections)
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Cup-Bearer SA/2 SWEEP!
isnt that the guy who sold stuff in season of opulence ?
@@Flitzzzzy nah its the blue rocket, opulence seller was benedict i think
thunderlord will reverse sweep, what weapon is it going to smoke next? 💀🚬🫃🏽🫃🏽
We discovered an issue were pack hunter is doing more damage than intended
GG
100% they will change this as they should. Also I’m 90% sure this only works on higher frame rates which means consoles are sol..
if they do that, they would either buff gjallarhorn directly or buff pack hunter to compensate, bungie can't afford making the most iconic, well known, beloved and overused exotic die down, it is the same thing as cod making a bad intervention, counter strike making the AK unusable, god of war making the blades of chaos shitty
@@atheon-even if they change/fix it I guess it they will need a couple of months to buff Gjallahorn or Pack Hunter like most of the tome
@@mynameislegion_xyzit’s not fair for us console players to “ compete “ against ppl who data mine new raids and have macros for skating and DPS. Bungie needs to disable 3rd party applications… ONLY the PC community would be upset if anything, who cares? You can’t use macro’s? You can’t determine dps numbers? Oh you actually missed rockets? Welcome to normal destiny… I really believe these speed runners and streamers and content creators on PC abuse these 3rd party extensions and that’s why they seem so good. I’m usually tops dps, until I see someone doing suspicious things and then it’s like alright lol this isn’t talked about because THEY ALL PLAY PC AND ABUSE IT, but something needs to be done, like scanning everyone’s game at log in to make sure there’s no 3rd party extensions.
but thunderlord gets a 7000% damage boost for each thunderlord in the fireteam
Ermm I think it's actually higher than 7000%
I am glad the community at large is turning thunderlord into a meme for people who don’t understand dps
I very much enjoy how the most powerful and valued weapons in the game are not dps monsters, but are support weapons.
Le horn is also a support exotic done right, imo: it's powerful enough that on its own it's a very solid option even without using the support function for teammates' rockets. The Navigator does a great job, imo, of following in that legacy with a support function, a "fun/utility" function, and passable damage (trace rifles aren't anything special for DPS, but they are versatile with a good max range and being very easy to aim up close as well). Seeing how guns/things in this game evolve really helps to appreciate why people came to love the game, and I love videos like this that, while still being clickbait-y, are filled with enthusiasm and encourage us to really think about the game instead of just react (which has clearly led to a not-so-great atmosphere in recent times).
The cup bearer sweep is CRAZY
AND THAT'S ON JBD
@@TheAegisRelic On Dr. Lowman himself
Absolutely love your videos! Found your DPS series (sooo good btw) and have loved watching how you speedrun everything! You have the relaxing voice of a productivity guru, fantastic visuals, and all the empirical data to back up your points. Thanks for your hard work bro!
Been watching you since the duo gatekeeper’s compilation like a year ago, and I just want to say I’m so excited for where this channel is going! You’re doing some awesome work, and the speedruns on twitch are a vibe when I can make the watch party! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your support :)
Man that is one great vid, mad props to the background research, I knew there was hidden dmg caz numbers did not add up, but I did not know that it scaled with each leg rocket on team. that is insane. Thank You so much for the amazing work.
Editing and gameplay were clean as hell, and your narration was really good. Can’t wait to see what else you post
Just started watching you and I love the videos, the background music is so fitting and the videos are structured so well and super informative. Keep it up
Been waiting for this video for a long time, thank you for all the hard work and longggg testing hours put into gathering all this data. Keep up the great content!
The standard you set for yourself when it comes to video production quality is lights out. Well made as usual.
Thanks Mac :)
Quite an eye-opening analysis and video story.
Been waiting for this video. Keep up the good work 👍
Awesome stuff man keep it up!
Perfect job! extremely detailed..
Best D2 tuber out there atm, keep up the great work.
Banger as always
Good video. Unfortunately I disagree and as such will be sticking to my Outbreak Perfected, Gnawing Hunger and Tarantula Loadout.
My brother that loadout is very bad
@@burnt2951 One of the people that "uses what they like, not what's best" then complains that they get low DPS and can't kill champions.
Tarantula with the Box Breathing kinda quirky doe
Hey don’t you shit talk tarantula my *checks notes* …feeding frenzy and kill clip roll does great dps…
@@ShepardRockstar designated mid-DPS ad clear.
My god, your content is another level sir. I just love it. The quality of the script and the data analysis just magnificent. Big fan here. How can I contribute to keep getting more of this content?
The only thing that I ask is that my videos reach the right audience so that more people become more passionate/enthusiastic about improving at the game, so if you can share this with people you think might enjoy it, that's all I can hope for :)
Absoutly excellent in depth guide to rockets i never reliazed that explosvie light and lasting were detrements to our teams damage
Just got it yesterday, this was right on time :)
Your channel has been an absolute blessing to the Destiny community!
Great video, I can only imagine the amount of work and coordination that went into this testing.
I have a question: Assuming Gally as the heavy slot weapon, what would the other 2 weapons look like (now that double special is allegedly fixed, again) and on what class + class exotic. Along the lines of the ultimate support guardian. Sorry if it was already mentioned and I didn't pay attention.
A good start is Heritage/Succession + Forbearance until damage, then double slug or something similar
In a damage scenario, double special remains unchanged.
love these videos dude! this really goes to show how powerful rockets especially with giving them busted ass combos like bait and switch with reconstruction.
giving rockets bait and switch was such a mistake. Literally powercreeping every single prior rocket launcher now and making us so OP, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next raid is beaten very fast since we’re so powerful at the moment or if rockets are soon to be on the cutting board for a nerf. 😂
100% nerfing the timer on pack hunter and rockets damage multipliers in next mid season patch
As he demonstrated though, even a blue rocket with no special damage perks beats all other DPS options in the game. Bait and Switch is not behind that difference - rockets are just silly strong, with or without bait and switch
Always knew gally was dummy strong but I never expected it to be so strong that a blue rocket with manual reloads and no damage rotation to out dps literally every other non rocket legendary/exotic weapon 😂
maaaaaan throwback to crota on destiny 1!!! - so nostalgic. been 5+ years since i played destiny and starting to get back on. (what if I told you I bought ghorn from xur week 1 of destiny)… man i love this game and its been so nostalgic ever since I got back on. this video makes me smile because it’s heavy facts
Great and informative video! Ghorn is really damn good, but I still think cup bearer might just beat it by a small bit
Thank you for your work with these videos Aegis. Just today I had a random lfg mention this exact video, before I even watched it. We're finally transcending "let's use mg's/linears/whatever" in lfg and just accept the fact that Ghorn is busted and there's literally no competition in any scenario.
Keep it coming, you're improving the general playerbase in addition to providing insight for more experienced players. GGs
great video, thank you for sharing this information with the comunity. btw do you guys plan/work on doing the sub 10 dsc run?
Maybe at some point in the future but DSC isn't a top priority for me at the moment
Yeah but then I get no Eager Edge sword sooooo….
The gameplay playing in the background for the first minute is absolute fire, bros destroying everything in the Lost Sector
Shout out Skaryton
Never clicked a notification so fast x3
I'm glad I know exactly how much my teams damage is suffering now when 2 of my clanmates refuse to run rockets for anything.
Well I don’t blame them there kinda boring.
my homies just finished new light introduction mission with the cups and is now ready to raid.
Crap, I’ve been using chill clip to keep the GOTD boss from teleporting all around. I do 5 mil on the end screen, but I’m probably leaving a lot of damage on the table.
Still good. As someone who was using envious bait and switch solo I couldn’t hit her for shit
@keenangan6047 if you get a tracking bait and switch one use that instead. It's a long enough phase you'll still get 10 rockets off. For bonus points use izzy if someone else can do Arby.
Can we just appreciate all the effort that went into the dps spreadsheet?
But, my team says thunderloard is better on master rhulk cause they have to tend to their 7 kids and only play with their feet since both of their arms have been cut off!
:sob:
HAHAHAHA I FEEL YOU
yo quick question about the boss damage spreadsheet, since thread of ascent alone will max out the handling stat on duality, apex predator and heritage what is the point of using ophidians since they dont provide a animation duration multiplier so would necrotics be better in this situation, purely for poison and unravel dmg?
also, does the element of the wolfpacks change depending on the element of the rocket fired? or are they always solar as gally is
Like I've said in the past, you can have one person on Necrotics and the rest on Ophids since the exotic at that point doesn't really matter
Also yeah wolfpacks inherit the properties of the rocket that fired them
danke ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤@@TheAegisRelic
Aegis if you ever find yourself bored, would you test waveframes bouncing? We know something funky is going on with them and it seems to benefit with multiple people. Could be that riven is just made of butter but i believe that something is going on.
Maybe
I had no idea that explosive light and lasting impression did worse with Gally 😮
surely lfgs will use rockets over linears now right?
You don’t need to min max dps in lfgs lol😂
@@englishtb1032Why be helpful and efficient when I can use THUNDERLORD ⚡⚡⚡ instead?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 #thormodeengaged #ihavearthritis #d2lfg
Well, good effort aegis, reloading a blue rocket is clearly too challenging, let us know once you find something more accessible.
nope, thunderlord is still too DOMINANT
it’s so over
I wanted to know what your thoughts on the new icefall mantle buff coming next season where popping your class ability gives x4 stasis surge (25% damage buff) and how it would affect a cold comfort dps rotation?
Not much, since Titan struggles to reload rockets past 4
I feel like bipod could be decent with cluster bomb on the Breytech nightfall rocket, hopefully it’s viable cause it looks fun
Wow you actually tested the stasis luckypants on your spreadsheet. Didnt expect it to be the highest dps hunter build excluding rdms lol. Yea im telling ya that chicken sl2 guy comes up with some great builds
I modified his rotation a bit but yeah the Revenant Impetus reload is a blessing for Lucky Pants' "fully loaded" requirement
@@TheAegisRelic Btw do you shoot 17 malf shoots then switch or 15? I saw u shot 15 each time when you used the solar version so I was just wondering and if 15 why?
17 is damage loss 15 is 3 explosions
@@TheAegisRelic damm I've been shooting 17 as those last two shoots do similar to two taipan shots and u can get em out in less than a second . Is there an area to show your rotation as I wanna try it out
Great video as always, Aegis. Thank you for another banger that 70% or more of people watching will unfortunately not consider the contents of. 🙏🙏
Here's hoping
town
thank you for putting respect on tractor cannon's name.
in the first place in the table is a warlock. the video about the DPS kill of the boss of the second stage of the KF do you use such lodaut?
The top DPS rotation is on hunter so no, we use warlocks because we are forced to during speedruns (from previous encounters)
Aegis after the bipod buff will an ALH+Bipod adaptive frame actually be good for izi rocket swap now?
I'll find out next season :)
This whole time I've been holding onto a Field Prep Cluster RL because I saw a vid saying it was the strongest perk buffed by WR.
Sadge
In before inevitable nerf due to being the best viable option for consistent dps amongst any group (including new lights/blue berries) and the elites complain they’re “bored” causing said nerf
I’m having flashbacks to early WQ when my team didn’t use rockets on Rhulk because “well, the wipe screen damage looks the same”
Because the pack hunter buff is so long would it be recommended to do a damage rotation alongside occasionally shooting Gjally or would it be not worth it?
Yeah it's a good idea to extend your rotation using special weapons, if you want more info I have plenty of videos covering Gjally rotations and strategies
What's up with the conversation you were having in your fireteam chat at 1:36?
That's actually not my clip - that's my teammate Crew, and he was talking about how his Stormchaser shots on Caretaker final stand started hitting immunes randomly. Some of the people in the VC asked if he stepped off plate by accident or something, so that was his response.
This video goes crazy honestly
real
This is truly insane
Is it possible that the above expected damage (chunking) that the Wolfpack boosted rockets are doing is a frame rate thing, thus reducing the potency of the gjallarhorn on console?
We did some brief FPS testing and even on 30FPS you do the same damage to the healthbar :P
Do you have a link to that cupbearer sheet? I have some clan mates that still swear by thunderlord even though I send them all your videos.
I have a video that will release in the next hour that you may be interested in...
(also check the description for the spreadsheet)
Christ I knew rockets were good from all the super fast bakes I've seen posted, but that point about optimal stacking killing raid bosses 4 times over before any other "meta" option really highlights just how busted they are. Would not be surprised at all if Pack Hunter and/or rockets as a whole gets adjusted soon, that's just insane
Is it worth running rockets/gally on something like 2nd enc spire boss which moves away and prob doesnt get hit by many wolfpacks over something like levis or whisper ?
Yeah you do rockets no Gjally, check my Raid/Dungeon Boss DPS video for details
You’ve clearly never heard of the absolute diamond in the rough that is salvations grip
Im getting saltagreppo tweet flashbacks
Hey man it's deserved
I would've loved in the conclusion section/cup-bearer DPS chart screamer that you warn people that rockets can be worse to use in specific situations.
For example, a situation where you need a lot of total damage (both Caretaker or Oryx in contest mode) with a long DPS phase will make Cataclysmic/Briars worth to use over Rocket due to TOTAL Damage done to the boss, this is a very important information to share with the upcoming new Raid and it's contest mode!
However when that raid will go back to normal with Contest mode closed, of course Rockets will dominate back again.
Nah this isn't really true, because of this chunking rockets are more appropriate pretty much always, including in total damage scenarios (which I briefly mention in this video)
@@TheAegisRelic in an environnement with poor ressource regeneration like Caretaker, on contest I don't think you'll make it
I dont mean "you" as overall a team won't make it with that not you especially*
I don't think you are understanding what I am saying - thanks to perks like Bait and Switch, you are going to run out of ammo after having dealt the same amount to the boss' healthbar compared to linears, you will just finish dumping earlier
There's a noise when you talk, great video!
This is true
I didn’t see but did you test collective action with Wolfpack?
No
It should buff wolf pack rounds as the perk isn't used when firing like explosive rounds.
bungie needs to hire you, best destiny 2 QA Tester in the land.
Ty
Oh yeah here we go
Aegis, thank you for caring.
Cup-Bearer 1 phase every raid boss video would be dope
Edit: I guess you can’t do Atraks with it but all the other raid bosses lol
That would be kinda real actually
If you allow dmg supers
Lmao they did it
What are the best pellet shotguns for dps? I noticed you were using wastelander on taniks. Also, when should pellet shotguns be used over slugs/fusions or other weapons?
That's not my clip - I use Riiswalker / Without Remorse when I pellet swap. Pellets are good when a boss has a large hitbox and a possibly long-distance/annoying crit (Taniks, Oryx).
@@TheAegisRelic what rolls do you want on them?
Vorpal is the main thing but you can check the Equipment tab in my spreadsheet for more details
@@TheAegisRelic ok ty :)
What about Eyes of Tomorrow when comparing add clear capabilities? I have to imagine that the ammo refund greatly helps with the ammo economy in comparison against Gjallarhorn
too many ways to generate heavy ammo to care about intrinsic heavy ammo refund with worse ad clear
@@flamexbl6282it's not worse ad clear though. The thing can solo clear rooms in GM nightfalls in 1 maybe 2 rockets.
So basically - gally is bugged and when fixed the sandbox will re-balance out.
If the 30% buff is the true value - what is the closest comparison to rockets at this %?
Even without gally, rockets are still far better then anything else
gjally scales better in larger fireteams since there's obviously more people for pack hunter to affect, but how does it scale to something like a 2 man dungeon run? does it absolutely destroy every other option even then?
Yeah it's still >60%
Rockets kinda are a everyone use or bust tho in a sense. Because you need a gally and the more people that use rockets the more effective the gally is. Total damage is worse, but as you pointed out if everyone is doing there part and you assume they don’t miss, total damage is irrelevant because the dps is good enough to melt everything. I feel like linears are solely for the uncoordinated team or average lfg raid.
This video aims to change that :)
I once had a argument with a LFG farming kali with linears and div instead of rockets and ghorn😂
I mean linears are okay, just not with Div on Kalli
Techeuns like Kali and Shuro have a very high Crit multiplier which makes precision weapons extremely strong on them. For ex. the fastest way to cook Kali are 6 Hunters with Kinetic Surge Nighthawk Golden Gun and Izanagis
putting the Thunderlord Joes to bed here 🔥💯😮💨
Thank you for giving me another video I can send to the next person who tells me thunderlord is best DPS
I am so glad this gun lives up to the legend it left in D1
Its cool too, because 5 of the 6 people get to use their own legendary rockets with their own preferred perks, and they still get the gjallarhorn experience.
Yeah what Dave said is the best part truly
what’s the fire bolt nade warlock build ?
Not sure what you're referring to
Keep making stuff that non speedrunners can learn from, this is your niche
A good nerf to rockets would be a reserves nerf. A hefty one too. Like minus 3 to current values
Ehh that would destroy rockets in GMs etc I don't think that's the way
By the way you should do an exotic tier list
On it lol
I wonder do arc surges boost the wolf pack rounds themselves (im pretty sure they deal arc damage). Could it only work for ghally itself or for all weapons with wolfpack rounds
They do (surges affect wolfpacks, but the rounds do the damage of whatever rocket that fired them, so not arc on Gjally but solar)
is gjallarhorn better than non buffed rocket?
About the same actually
Does Iron Ghallerhorn have the same stats ?
It's an ornament
Pack hunter wouldn’t be the most broken thing in the game if they allowed other weapon archetypes to stack as well as rockets do and get a support exotic like gjally. Since pack hunter is a weapon buff but from another weapon, it can stack with the other weapon buffs like BnS and lead to insane damage since you have 3 weapon perks active at the same time with one being 80% damage bonus with insane add clear and major clearing damage. Rockets are the only archetype that gets buffed this way, and as long as they are the only ones they will stay on top unless they nerf either rockets, patch hunter, or both to the point of redundancy.
Yeah it's insane rockets get this special treatment but I suppose Gjally's D1 legacy has to live on somehow
Rockets are better because we have buff stack power creeped. We are making 1 rocket shot do the damage of 3 compared so it effectively increases your total damage to be higher than the bosses health. So insted of being capped at 9-10 rockets in reserves with buffed we effectively have 27-30. If we go pack to the rocket perks we had just 1-2 years ago we couldn’t do nearly the damage. A 35% dmg buff for swapping weapons with a weapon type that encourages swapping. It’s literally just free damage. Rockets should be good for burst dmg not capable of killing every raid boss in seconds.
I personally feel like rockets as the dps meta is very healthy for the game. Yes they are strong but they also have several major weaknesses Such as limited ammo economy, easiness of self harm, and requiring coordination for maximum damage. I really like how they effect the dps meta, especially since the other heavy weapons still have other uses in the game. They are strong without invalidating every one else.
They do kind of invalidate other options but I do like them conceptually as a high risk high reward explosive top pick
@@TheAegisRelic if they invalidated other options younwouldnt see people using other options
@@TheAegisRelic you over estimate lfg
It’s witherhoard but go crazy
Surely the gamer dad's in LFG will take off Thunderlord
What meta would you want if rockets went out?
I mean, I like rockets, so I wouldn't mind them staying, they just shouldn't be gapping everything else in the game by this much lol
@@TheAegisRelic Fair guess im just getting tired of the same loadout, with a side of verity's and brust option sprinkled in there.
Hey Aegis, how are you feeling about double special after the fix announcement? Do you think they will still be viable/ The meta option for day ones and master raids?
Still just as viable 100%, the only place this nerf comes into play is solo content where ammo manip + drop chance matters more
@@TheAegisRelic Sweet, thanks for the reply. As long as the special keeps dropping in a consistent way, I'll still keep using it then
can you show us alll the speedkills?
That is an idea for a video one day :)
Oh shit, Aegis drop
Perfectly balanced.
Maybe I’m overthinking this but doesn’t the difference between 4 and 5 wolfpack users mean that it would be better to not use tractor cannon and just go all rockets?
You can have your Tractor swap and also be Gjally, but no, it's still worth having everyone on the team do 30% more
Would gally still be better to use in a 3 man group?
Yep
I have actually never heard anyone call rockets boring for dps. I in fact will never tire of rockets for dps, meanwhile machine guns and linears bore me the moment I even start using them.
Rotations only make rockets more fun because there is such a high skill cap that can go with the great baseline.
I find rockets fun too, some people don't though haha
I also happen to enjoy large amounts of numbers on my screen and a boss health bar that rapidly decreases
Aegis Monte Carlo is getting a glaive you are just wrong
Stabbing > explosions
k n o w l e d g e ty aegis ur the best
Does your spreadsheet take into account that most LFG groups have people who miss 1 or 2 rockets in a DPS cycle?
Joking aside, I do feel like the main reason a lot of people prefer LFRs or TLs with div is because it's guaranteed damage, which feels good vs missing rockets because the boss may be moving, which brings down the dps and they probably won't have the luck of getting heavy bricks in between. I mean, I'm guilty of missing rockets and it feels like shit. Obviously, the boss that just sit there(oryx/taniks) should be 100% rockets, no misses. I'm mainly talking about the ones that move(rhulk/nez/warpriest when the group doesn't dps on the stage).
The thing is even if you miss rockets, like say you hit maybe 2 out of every 3, you're still doing much more damage overall if other people are shooting with you
@@TheAegisRelic Ah okay, that's good to know. Great videos btw. You put in a lot of work and the results are greatly appreciated.