this is very rapidly becoming my favourite boat build channel. I followed people like acorn to Arabella and Samson boat company and SV Seeker from their very beginnings through to their current stages also true of Sail life and Salt & Tar. What you have going on is your full embrace of modern technology, and it really is inspiring to see people who aren’t afraid to challenge the traditions that seem to overwhelm people building boats. I totally understand those traditions attraction, and I also understand their value as tested solutions. But to see the way you bring a flexibility which would be present in anything from aircraft manufacturing to in fact, large scale shipbuilding to yachts is really great. I actually worked for a period of time in shipyards working on design implementation; basically interpreting the drawn designs of large ships like icebreakers into construction methodologies that would be safe, efficient and make good use of available technology that was just coming online in some of the intermediate boat. yards. It seems to me like there are people doing this for commercial yacht construction but it remains somewhat backwards industry, and you really are breath of fresh air. Fres Finnish air!
Thank you so much! The driving force here of course is laziness! 😅 Want to avoid as much as possible doing tedious long lasting manual work. There's so much that ahead, I know! In contrast, that requires a lot of work in thinking and pondering - which I like very much. But also, I'm very curious of new things. Getting old methods and trying to think around them to accomplish the actual goal but doing it differently. Also I very much like to challenge traditions - not in way to disrespect - but kind of find the actual wisdom from them and making something similar in a new way. I hope this project will end up including something like that. Some will fail, some will prevail I'd imagine.
When you said "it's a shame to cut them down" it made me remember a story I heard at the National Wooden Boat Show in Mystic Connecticut. Parked close to my boat was a literal "work of art" a real peace of "floating furniture". The builder harvested all the lumber themselves. I asked them how they felt about cutting the trees down. Their response was a classic - " we didn't kill these trees, we granted them immortality!". I'll never forget that.
I think the upcoming glue up will be difficult for one person, maybe consider a nailgun that shoots a acrylic or hard plastic nail to assemble initially before camping or screwing, I'm not exactly sure what the nails are made from but I see people fixing the workpiece on the cnc with them and it doesn't matter if the get cut accidentally, just a thought, good luck, enjoy your show.
It wasn't that difficult but it also didn't go completely well. You'll see! 😉 But the problem wasn't holding things on place at all. There's these things called screws! 😅 But when making the veneer layers for the hull, I probably need to get those plastic nails. I'd really like to avoid tearing off 10000 screws or staples... 😂
I think your channel is exellent Panu, you combine craftsmanship with modern technology, explain evert step with some humor, without gettin bored. Doing is mostly all alone makes it more special. Great work!!
Great Video again! I totally can't wait until the next one. I almost wish you carried over a few of the ribs and put them in place just so we could see the scale of the boat even more. So awesome....
Panu , It really is exciting now ! I am eagerly awaiting the ' Glue Up.' I hope it all goes to plan. Re. the video productions help it seems to have taken a great load from you , You seem a lot happier and far more relaxed. I also enjoyed the knowledge you shared about tree harvesting. Thanks again and see you soon !
Don't be so modest Panu - you DESERVE a good pat on the back!! It really is coming along nicely and I think (hope) you will find the pace picking up now. Good Luck!!
We all enjoy the chance to view your work along with a great connection of friendship and Beautiful Finland, Let's have Summer Time Fun, darn cold weather. :) Always best of thought towards the build of your Sail Boat, Vessel :)
Hey Panu, a good method to deal with epoxy squeeze out is epoxy wipe away when wet! 😅 But I know, you want a virgin wooden surface even for the second layer.
The new fields of CAD & Robots for personal projects is exciting, but your planning of details is critical for the success of your project. From what I have seen you are at the point of maximum visual progress. Quite a change from when we made plywood boats in the early 1950s. I look forward to following your progress in the future years. ...pg
Yeah, it has been quite some time I have spend with the computer to make all of this work. And I really hope it will work until the end! So far it's looking good! The critical thing what I still need to learn is handling tolerances. Those plywoods and stuff are always a little bit off from their nominal thicknesses. That makes working with CNC much more complicated. In perfect world everything should be fit perfectly... But they don't...
And I have to add, If i'd be starting this project now, I'd go even further with the CNC and robotics. Instead of this basic machine, I'd get a 6 axis robotic arm to make all the complex shapes. Maybe next time! 😁
Wow, Panu, it looks like you are going to need a lot of clamps, for the glue up. Nails are a one shot deal, and if your off, might put a hold on progress until it is corrected. I hope I'm wrong. Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
To glue two plywood pannels together without bubbles inside is hard. Gluing curved plywood pannels together is even harder. The building method seems to me very complicated. But I enjoy to watch it :)
First Finnish woman I got acquainted with when working in an international (Baltic) project also told me that she has the urge to hug a tree whenever she comes home after foreign travel - seems to be a national obsession
If you want to flatten surfaces that are actually flattenable (technical term is developable), you can use pepakura. Pepakura will let you flatten non-developable surfaces and add tabs for gluing - not what you're looking for. But as long as the surface is properly ruled, you should be fine. Pepakura is pretty cheap. Maybe for the next boat!
@@ArcticSeaCamel I actually researched the term when wondering how planking could be done with a cnc. Unfortunately, the design of the hull must be developable to begin with since planks can't be shrunk or stretched. I've read quite a lot of papers on algorithms that can flatten developable surfaces either with distortions (if not fully developable) or without distortions (if fully developable). A very interesting problem, not only for planking but also for creating sculptures from flat stock. I'm a programmer and this is what I do for fun ;)
@@mattiasfagerlund Yes, steel boats are designed and made in such manner that there's only pieces bent mostly in one direction. I think the name for this sort of design is "radius chine". And actually, the original design behind my boat IS radius chine steel boat: www.tantonyachtdesign.com/boat-plans/50-millenium-falcon-steel However it has been modified for my needs. A bit wider and shallower, bit more beam on the stern etc. But in theory, this could maybe be done from flat stock bent around the frames. But bending plywood into those tight curves isn't very easy or there would have to be alot of thing layers. So I'm going with strip planking. More seams to do but I think it's more controllable.
I feel your pain with Rhino software being out of the question. A question Panu if you started over would you have used Rhino instead of your current software?
Well, there's definitely a learning curve there and I don't really need Rhino for anything else. So - probably no... Although, If i'd start this now, I'd get 6 axis robot arm to make all the complex shapes with the machine as well. So that would require me to use some other software anyway. Not sure if it would be rhino though...
Is a mith about les moisture in wood by winter ;) is as U tell no shuger, but water. In the endif U mesure moisture in tree cut in january can be higher or similar then in June. Important is a chemical content of those juce.
Here up north, trees are very dry in winter. That's just because if there were moisture, it would freeze and break apart the structure of the wood. There's also chemical compounds in the remaining water to prevent them from freezing.
There’s couple of ways to do that. RAN will do the one way with “rollers”, I’m probably gonna go with two cranes. I don’t have room in the yard to roll the boat.
Man, I saw today that i's been 6 years that you started the idea and construction of the boat. 6 years and your boat is flat on the ground. What happened?
this is very rapidly becoming my favourite boat build channel. I followed people like acorn to Arabella and Samson boat company and SV Seeker from their very beginnings through to their current stages also true of Sail life and Salt & Tar. What you have going on is your full embrace of modern technology, and it really is inspiring to see people who aren’t afraid to challenge the traditions that seem to overwhelm people building boats. I totally understand those traditions attraction, and I also understand their value as tested solutions. But to see the way you bring a flexibility which would be present in anything from aircraft manufacturing to in fact, large scale shipbuilding to yachts is really great. I actually worked for a period of time in shipyards working on design implementation; basically interpreting the drawn designs of large ships like icebreakers into construction methodologies that would be safe, efficient and make good use of available technology that was just coming online in some of the intermediate boat. yards. It seems to me like there are people doing this for commercial yacht construction but it remains somewhat backwards industry, and you really are breath of fresh air. Fres Finnish air!
Thank you so much! The driving force here of course is laziness! 😅 Want to avoid as much as possible doing tedious long lasting manual work. There's so much that ahead, I know! In contrast, that requires a lot of work in thinking and pondering - which I like very much.
But also, I'm very curious of new things. Getting old methods and trying to think around them to accomplish the actual goal but doing it differently. Also I very much like to challenge traditions - not in way to disrespect - but kind of find the actual wisdom from them and making something similar in a new way. I hope this project will end up including something like that. Some will fail, some will prevail I'd imagine.
... and RAN Sailing - build too
..... don't forget _A boat by the river_ and _the Duracell project_ .
When you said "it's a shame to cut them down" it made me remember a story I heard at the National Wooden Boat Show in Mystic Connecticut. Parked close to my boat was a literal "work of art" a real peace of "floating furniture". The builder harvested all the lumber themselves. I asked them how they felt about cutting the trees down. Their response was a classic - " we didn't kill these trees, we granted them immortality!". I'll never forget that.
I think the upcoming glue up will be difficult for one person, maybe consider a nailgun that shoots a acrylic or hard plastic nail to assemble initially before camping or screwing, I'm not exactly sure what the nails are made from but I see people fixing the workpiece on the cnc with them and it doesn't matter if the get cut accidentally, just a thought, good luck, enjoy your show.
It wasn't that difficult but it also didn't go completely well. You'll see! 😉
But the problem wasn't holding things on place at all. There's these things called screws! 😅
But when making the veneer layers for the hull, I probably need to get those plastic nails. I'd really like to avoid tearing off 10000 screws or staples... 😂
You are making great progress! Looking good!
Well done, you should be very proud of your achievement so far.
Hi Panu, you make some progress. Even if you have some issues, you have managed to overcome this so far.
I love your good mood.
Stay strong.
Thank you so much 😊
Ça commence à être particulièrement enthousiasmant de voir la forme de bateau naître ! Nice😊
Had to use translator for this. But yes it its! Merci beaucoup!
I think your channel is exellent Panu, you combine craftsmanship with modern technology, explain evert step with some humor, without gettin bored. Doing is mostly all alone makes it more special. Great work!!
Thank you!🙏🏼
That "Spring season" is broken, ask for a new one :D. Great job you are doing Panu, cheers!!!!
The fit of the joints is amazing 👍
After a lot of prep there is now progress to see. Keep up the good work. 👍
Hahaha spring is looking amazing!
The strong back is a serous piece of work, looking impressive!
Great to see you here Matt. Panu is such a sweet guy, and incredibly busy with wife, kid, work, and boat. I dunno how he does it.
Woaw, these pine trees are beautiful and really good timber to make boatparts of.
Hi Panu.
We all share your excitement and love your positivity.
Can’t wait for the glue up.
Keep on going!
Mark K
Ireland
Progress looks great! CAD/CNC was THE way to go!
It was! And if I’d start this now, I would go even further with CNC and probably get a 6 axis robot arm thingie!
Great Video again! I totally can't wait until the next one. I almost wish you carried over a few of the ribs and put them in place just so we could see the scale of the boat even more. So awesome....
You’ll have to wait a little bit for that… 😉
Panu , It really is exciting now ! I am eagerly awaiting the ' Glue Up.' I hope it all goes to plan. Re. the video productions help it seems to have taken a great load from you , You seem a lot happier and far more relaxed. I also enjoyed the knowledge you shared about tree harvesting.
Thanks again and see you soon !
Looking better and better every video!
Thanks! And you keep it up as well! 🥰
Don't be so modest Panu - you DESERVE a good pat on the back!! It really is coming along nicely and I think (hope) you will find the pace picking up now. Good Luck!!
We all enjoy the chance to view your work along with a great connection of friendship and Beautiful Finland, Let's have Summer Time Fun, darn cold weather. :) Always best of thought towards the build of your Sail Boat, Vessel :)
You deserve a lot more ‘subs’/‘views’ than you have, keep up the grand work
You may proud off yourself you doing everything alone 👍👍
Not completely alone. I have all of you! 😊
Spectacular.
You are doing it and it’s happening. 😁
I like your music.
I like the way you have used the cnc for the joints makes it so much better
Awesome machine, and that is a nice boulder.
Well done, you should be proud.
Great job Panu. I like your setup and methodology and the cnc cutter is sweet. All the best in the future!
Cheers
Great job. Love the CNC fits.
Fantastic progress and very reassuring that you have a viable heater now that spring has arrived.😉😀👍⛵️
Exactly! Although there has been very cold after filming this…
@@ArcticSeaCamel I know.😉🤣
the more you do the more i realize how big it is going to be!
Hey Panu, a good method to deal with epoxy squeeze out is epoxy wipe away when wet! 😅
But I know, you want a virgin wooden surface even for the second layer.
Yes of course and I did that for the most part. 😊
The only boat being built using 3d modeling, CNC, and plywood that I’m aware of, and certainly the only boat of this size being built in this manner.
See Dan Lee boat building for cnc build.
@@dtanco thanks I’ll check him out
😂😂😂 SPRING, has little to NO 🌞shine and lots of 🌥🌦🌩.😮 No need for a heater, maybe A/C in Hawai'i 😊 🏝 74• @6:30am. Now, back to watching your build 👍🏻😀
I always thought that Sugoi's Mechachuka would be a great soundtrack for scarfing plywood!
Amazing work!!
The new fields of CAD & Robots for personal projects is exciting, but your planning of details is critical for the success of your project. From what I have seen you are at the point of maximum visual progress. Quite a change from when we made plywood boats in the early 1950s. I look forward to following your progress in the future years. ...pg
Yeah, it has been quite some time I have spend with the computer to make all of this work. And I really hope it will work until the end! So far it's looking good!
The critical thing what I still need to learn is handling tolerances. Those plywoods and stuff are always a little bit off from their nominal thicknesses. That makes working with CNC much more complicated. In perfect world everything should be fit perfectly... But they don't...
And I have to add, If i'd be starting this project now, I'd go even further with the CNC and robotics. Instead of this basic machine, I'd get a 6 axis robotic arm to make all the complex shapes. Maybe next time! 😁
Thanks for sharing! This has been so cool to follow the process, looking forward to it 👍
Very interesting!!
Fantastic
you're going to collect enough data to create precut kits to sell for D Y I assembly.
😅
Wow, Panu, it looks like you are going to need a lot of clamps, for the glue up. Nails are a one shot deal, and if your off, might put a hold on progress until it is corrected. I hope I'm wrong.
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
It was done with screws! 😉
To glue two plywood pannels together without bubbles inside is hard. Gluing curved plywood pannels together is even harder. The building method seems to me very complicated.
But I enjoy to watch it :)
The glue up went well! The lamination between the sheets is very good! Some other issues though. You’ll see in next video 😉
First Finnish woman I got acquainted with when working in an international (Baltic) project also told me that she has the urge to hug a tree whenever she comes home after foreign travel - seems to be a national obsession
Spring in Finland......hahahah
If you want to flatten surfaces that are actually flattenable (technical term is developable), you can use pepakura. Pepakura will let you flatten non-developable surfaces and add tabs for gluing - not what you're looking for. But as long as the surface is properly ruled, you should be fine. Pepakura is pretty cheap. Maybe for the next boat!
That was a new term for me! Thanks! I’ll take a look at it. There’s still things like that to do for the cabin sides and tops.
@@ArcticSeaCamel I actually researched the term when wondering how planking could be done with a cnc. Unfortunately, the design of the hull must be developable to begin with since planks can't be shrunk or stretched. I've read quite a lot of papers on algorithms that can flatten developable surfaces either with distortions (if not fully developable) or without distortions (if fully developable). A very interesting problem, not only for planking but also for creating sculptures from flat stock. I'm a programmer and this is what I do for fun ;)
@@mattiasfagerlund Yes, steel boats are designed and made in such manner that there's only pieces bent mostly in one direction. I think the name for this sort of design is "radius chine". And actually, the original design behind my boat IS radius chine steel boat: www.tantonyachtdesign.com/boat-plans/50-millenium-falcon-steel
However it has been modified for my needs. A bit wider and shallower, bit more beam on the stern etc. But in theory, this could maybe be done from flat stock bent around the frames.
But bending plywood into those tight curves isn't very easy or there would have to be alot of thing layers. So I'm going with strip planking. More seams to do but I think it's more controllable.
Wow you only see pine with tight rings like that in old, old construction here in the US
Same thing here. Even these aren’t very tight grain. It needs to be grown in tight forest for couple of centuries…
Just saw a video where a guy added a router-like fence to the bottom of jigsaw, so it could be used to "trim flush(ish)" against a surface
Interesting, can you share a link?
I feel your pain with Rhino software being out of the question. A question Panu if you started over would you have used Rhino instead of your current software?
Well, there's definitely a learning curve there and I don't really need Rhino for anything else. So - probably no...
Although, If i'd start this now, I'd get 6 axis robot arm to make all the complex shapes with the machine as well. So that would require me to use some other software anyway. Not sure if it would be rhino though...
if that is spring i hate to see what winter is like
Check out some of the previous videos from earlier years… 😅
Is a mith about les moisture in wood by winter ;) is as U tell no shuger, but water. In the endif U mesure moisture in tree cut in january can be higher or similar then in June.
Important is a chemical content of those juce.
Here up north, trees are very dry in winter. That's just because if there were moisture, it would freeze and break apart the structure of the wood. There's also chemical compounds in the remaining water to prevent them from freezing.
I want to know, when the time comes, how you are going to turn the boat over?
There’s couple of ways to do that. RAN will do the one way with “rollers”, I’m probably gonna go with two cranes. I don’t have room in the yard to roll the boat.
CAD magic mistake - CADMM… meeee like
I am confused I thought you were working from the bottom up, but now it looks like you are working from the top down
Check this video of the phases. It should explain pretty well what's going on here. 😊
ruclips.net/video/dvMTBYw9yIw/видео.html
First❤
You building a boat or a puzzle
I like both! 😅
Dude, that jazz. 😖
It's so much better without annoying music.
🎷🥁🎸🎵🎶
Man, I saw today that i's been 6 years that you started the idea and construction of the boat. 6 years and your boat is flat on the ground. What happened?
I got it finally started! 😅
You said 50 meters, I believe you meant to say feet
Nope, it's fiftEEN meters. But it's also pretty close to 50 feet. Depending of the shoe size. 😜
Interesting build. To much talking
It’s hard to explain things without talking. 😅
Spring is canceled till futter notice.
It did not pay its spring taxes yet.