BRUTALLY HONEST REVIEW OF THE NEW L461 RANGE ROVER SPORT...
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2023
- Here is my brutally honest review of the newest generation L461 Range Rover Sport!
Thanks to "THE OUT" for supplying the car, you can check them out here: www.theout.com
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Proper review! I am so bored with car journalists who repeat all the stats from a list given by the manufacturer.. This is Harry Metcalfe level of reporting, very well done!
Very kind words, thanks so much
Thanks for the review! I own L461 (P510) for couple of months and absolutely love the car. I cannot compare to older/other Range Rovers (which you do in your video) but I've had the opportunity to compare with Audi Q8, BMW X5 and BMW X6 which I owned last 3 years. Ride of RR is another level compared to these cars. Absolute hit of the car.
A really good review Joel, thanks. A couple of points to make, I own the new L460 Range Rover and my brother in law owns the new L461, as regards the steering issue, I agree that there is one. However there is one glaring difference between the two models that you might of missed, all 460's come with 4 wheel steering as standard, only the big engined 461's come with it as standard, it's an option on all other models, and boy is it a game changer.
The big Range Rover is way better at handling roads good or bad, slow or fast due to the 4 wheel steering, at slow speeds the big Range Rovers wheels turn in the opposite direction, and at higher speeds they turn in the same direction, speed bumps, pot holes seem to be smothered as you would expect.
My brother in laws 461 is way more fidgety than the 460, way more, in fact it just doesn't feel right. It does help to turn off the lane assist, but it still is an issue. My 460 has had two over the air software updates and now the problem has vanished, so I think Land Rover knew about it.
Both are seriously great cars, but the 4 wheel steering is a game changer for me. All the best!
Do the brakes for the l460 require replacement every 10 to 15k miles? I hear the rear steering reduce rear brake life.
Not as far as I know, I've covered about 18k in mine and it's about to go in for a service, so we shall see.
I never used to be able to stand this guy but his reviews are now becoming my “go to”. Good review!
I absolutely love this car, this is a fabulous review! For a great review we can’t have journalists being too kind about the cars to stay on the good side of manufacturers!
Great review, I will send it to my dad because he’s looking at a L461 P440e Autobiography. 😀
Great video as ever! You're smashing it Joel!
Great honest review Joel! As I love Range Rovers I really love watching reviews, but it's even better from someone who's actually had one as their daily driver. It would be good to have a back-to-back with the older generation RRS as it doesn't seem that all the changes are improvements.
Great vid as always Joel, love your style and content, what would be interesting would be the £70k delta between this and a well sorted L322? Or even £60k delta on a L405? I’ve become fixated with RR thanks to you and your content 😂. All the best and keep em coming mate 💪😉
Good honest review Joel I certainly enjoyed it
Great video! Last time I was in a new RRS was at Starbucks Carlisle, nerve racking on scuffing rims in a drive thru
Know your pain!
Totally agree with you about the steering. The spring analogy is the perfect way to describe it. It’s the same issue on the my 2021 discovery 5. I much prefer the steering on my 2008 Range Rover.
Glad it’s not just me going mad!
Great video Joel! Love your honesty and this detailed review... epic! What are your thoughts around depreciation on the new Sport? For me as someone who has been looking at one of these as a new car, given the much higher starting costs, long wait times for a specified build and way over list pricing for dealer demo vehicles in Australia I ordered a Porsche Macan GTS instead, but when the car world normalises one day the Sport will likely come back on the shopping list...
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, I just bought a 2024 Sport last week, and the steering is super annoying. My hands get tired, I'm used to steering with my arm on my leg and using my thumb, I can not do this with this SUV , my hand starts to hurt. I have to constantly change hand position. It takes the fun out of driving. I'm not looking forward to a road trip. I hope this can be modified.
Excellent review. Good to see a fellow Rammstein fan 😉
Is the split tailgate really a bonus on the big one? Having owned several, plus Land Cruisers and pickups with such tailgates, only on the pickups do I find the feature of any utility. On a day to day basis it just means a massive stretch to reach anything from the boot and an impossible reach when stuff is up against the second row seat backrest. To that end I always carry a proper authentic alloy shepherds crook to hook stuff and pull them to within reach. On a pickup it enables a pallet to be loaded or a long load, longer than five foot, to be carried flat, so that works, particularly on pickups that have a step up to the open tailgate, such as the latest generation Ford Ranger.
No, the SE is the base trim on both RR and RRS here in Canada. No fixed roof here, all RR and RRS get a sliding glass roof.
We have one in this colour too, LOVE IT.
Agree excellent review. I have had my L461 RRS Autobiography D300 for about 9 months/10k miles now. First thing to say is that after my test drive at the dealer, I optioned 20" wheels instead of the standard 22" ones, partly in an attempt to soften the ride but also to get higher profile tyres for better puncture resistance on the dreadful roads around where I live (Bucks). But yes the ride is still a bit fidgety but for me the payback is better body control, certainly compared to my previous L405 P400e which drove like a galleon in storm so far as I'm concerned. And yes the steering is a bit heavy and artificial but personally I prefer that to the overlight steering of the L405. The L461 is no sports car of course but actually I find it quite fun to punt down windy roads. It is called Sport after all. I agree with you on the engine. The D300 is a peach and I dont find myself wanting more power; I'm so glad I went back to diesel after the wheezing P400e PHEV engine package. I regularly average 35-36mpg on fast motorway runs which I find impressive. And yes the whole car is very refined but mine suffers from the same problem as other earlier RRS's and that is wind noise from around the wing mirror which is irritating. And I agree with you entirely on touchscreens in cars. They are dangerous and to put some seat and climate system controls on the touchscreen is a joke. For me the most frustrating thing about the car
I took delivery of a new RR Sport P440e just 3 months ago and totally agree with every aspect of your review. I absolutely love the jeep but the fidgety suspension is the one thing that irritates me about the driving experience . I also have a 2007 Sport and it rides much better over a local bumpy road .
One of the best overview of this car! Thanks! Regarding changing the lanes and power you need to apply - could be a feature of lane tracking control, and once you turn on the corner light - stearing should become easy for a few seconds until you finish a maneuvr.
Great review, I’ve now had 2 of these a hybrid and latterly a D300, if honest I prefer the Diesel. Find it effortless to drive and responsive when needed. Btw heated seats standard in rear. Very fair review and agree with the majority of your comments.
Subscribed. Proper review
0:39 you are having an Alan Partridge looking moment there mate 😁
I’m liking the choice of “North Norfolk casual” attire too.
@@adzy166 PMSL
Great review, my Sport has black wheels in my opinion they suit the car, but I guess it depends on the colour of the car, mine is Satin / matte balmoral blue
Nice video Joel. I own the D350 Autobiography which I purchased in June this year.
First drive was down to Annecy in France so plenty of motorway 70mph driving.
To answer your observations about steering I have to say I have not experienced any issues as you describe. I may suggest an explanation for you and in doing so have no intention of criticism of your driving style.
A new legal requirement is for all cars to have monitors to ensure both hands are kept on the steering wheel. Failure to do so may cause the vehicle to implement safety issues to ensure the vehicle maintains its position on the road.
I notice your hands are all over the place, and as you suggest you enjoyed sticking your hands through holes etc. These are not hand holds!
My car is on 23 inch wheels and again I find no problems with road surface feedback, however having been used to BMW vehicles with harder suspension settings perhaps I'm more used to issues.
Totally agree with your driving style. I just love driving it and am never in a rush. I also get well into 40+ mpg.
Thoroughly enjoyed your drive.
PS. The fridge was an extra. Don't even have one on Autobiography spec.
Is it possible that the 22” make it a harder drive . 20 or 21 with higher tires should make a difference. Would be nice if you could try and tell the outcome>
Great honest review ❤
The suspension works like that on the old LRs too :) Also if you ride slow it starts to be loose and shakes on sole road inperfections. Even that LRS are gread rides :) The calibration is based on streering weel sensorm, air suspension sensors and speed i think. Based on this tree thing it messures how to callibrate.
Just chanced on your channel and I like your style bud 👍 as mentioned below, no airs and graces Harry Metcalfe style, and an honest admission that you drive an old Volvo like many of us peasants. It boils my piss when so many car journos get uppity and unappreciative about cars they would never ever fork out their own money for in real life, even if they could, which they can't.
Went with the full size 2023. My dealer in Alberta, Canada has 27 in inventory. They are offering $8500 discount + loyalty rate of 5.99% on leases.
Was this Edmonton or Calgary?
I’ve got a 2023 XE and a 2022 I-pace, funnily enough the ipace got an update over WiFi where the apple CarPlay maps goes to the dashboard. But my XE doesn’t even though it’s newer so I assume they’ll be rolling it out through updates eventually.
That’s super interesting to know. It would make a big difference if they did.
Glad I heard about the suspension before I got a sport.
Lovely car. From the vid the interior does seem to be overly grey. Was there enough contrast in the flesh? I like RR interiors for the excellent combination of materials and contrast
I think the ride for cars at these price is a selling factor for me. It’s a shame this has this ride. I know he called the wheels ‘not too big’ and yet their 22’s, but these must be the smallest looking 22’s ever as the sidewall is so large for this size of a wheel. I know someone that has a hybrid first edition with 23’s and that must be bad. 48 mpg is mental. The most Iv got in my evoque D200 is about 50 and that was driving slow, like cruising at 50 for a long time. I also like the feature of the hugely powerful sound system, even as an option in the base model. Great video!
I thought I was going mad as I had exactly the same steering issue in P440e and sent to dealer who checked and said it was fine and normal … it’s great engine so powerful but yeah it’s so tiring on long journey. A defender P400 130 I drove had amazing steering in comparison
I’m afraid the ride, as is well known by many, who would not drive any thing else, including myself, is all down to the low profile tyres. I’m on my 40th Range Rover(I’m old!!) and it’s all about the profile. People want big wheels??? Why? So they have low profile tyres on their 22” or 23” wheels and there’s no compliance in the side walls, hit a bump and ouch !
If you want the waffting ride and total lack of banging suspension then go for the max wheel size of 20”. If it’s a L322 then it’s a max of 18”. Simples
Good review. I have seen quite a lot of these now and feel that some colours really suit the design and some really dont. All the lines and details blend in to nothing on the black ones.
Lovely looking motor and I’d have one in a heartbeat but the depreciation that’s inevitable of these and the fact I’d be forever frightened it would be taken from me as I sleep or when it’s parked up means that level of worry is just too big to take. Let’s hope they have figured out the security of these I suspect not.
I took delivery of a Sport last week and now know exactly what your'e saying about the steering. Its going back tomorrow for them to try and sort the steering out. Here's hoping they can do something about it.
Let me know if they can sort it out!
@@itsjoel They took it in last week and found some of the base electronic setting out of spec. After some rejigging it seems much improved. Definatly much easier kept in the centre of the lane on the motorway. Lets hope it stays that way.
How is the steering. The older one was stiff.
Currently driving Audi SUV
Lovely car and when I win the lotto I'll beat a path to my local dealer. But in the meantime I'm still happy with my top of the range Skoda Yeti 4x4, it's a brilliant car. I use it off road quite a bit as I shoot clays every week and go all over the place.
Jlm maps are actually very very good if you have data. No difference from Apple or Google. You need to have one and drive it for about a year maybe. It makes you approach it a lot more
At 5:47 the center display does look very filthy. That's the problem with those shiny black materials. But... nice car and good review!
Do the review on the plug-in hybrid which charges 73miles
Just the level of trim you have. Even my previous model plug in hybrid has heated seats at the back. Is the review comparing it to its previous model, to its big brother or general SUVs around that price mark?
If you're going to want me to watch a video which you said was in the right side of the screen at least put it there! 🤣 great review
I could be wrong but I don’t think Audi support Apple car play in the second display (behind the steering wheel).. they just display Apple Maps within their in house Audi maps function allowing Google maps to appear on both screens
Superb review
I am glad this still as buttons for the heating and like you said manufacturers need to bring back more buttons, the new updated evoque they have done away with the heating controls to me thats a backward step , yes looks clean but for me dont want to take my eyes off the road to just adjust the heating. Why why as RR done this bad move on the evoque. Love the RR sport I own a older evoque but would love to own the sport either this or still dont mind the older model.
Those excellent dials are gone from MY24... all touchscreen. It's the wrong move IMO. They've removed them on the Range Rover, Sport, Velar, Evoque and Discovery Sport.
can't imagine you driving that, Wafting along listening to RAMMENSTEIN!!
Rammstein, Linkin Park, Asking Alexandria and Disturbed were blaring the entire time I had the car 😈
Great video all round! Poor parents.
Surely it’s expected that the sport would have stiffer suspension than the standard model?
At last, someone who knows Black wheels dont do on everything !! Thank you
I agree with you about the heavy steering feel, it does become tiring of long journeys. They need to do something about it. Their Engineers need to try it for real.
You can use a device as long as you’re not holding it in your hand, so the law allows a dashboard or windscreen mount.
I agree with you on black wheels, not very fond of them myself
I love it. Pity I can’t insure it where I live.
Soft close doors I remember the one I was in didn’t have.
I own one and they have an issue with the Wind Noise; its really bad!
A perfect car...I'd have it over a full size RR because that one is too big for UK roads, car parks, etc.
Good review, thanks. I totally agree with the ride quality comments you made. I think it might be because of them trying to make it sportier and failing in it. Comparing this to a BMW X5, the Range Rover Sport loses on every aspect as a car, the X5 is even more quiet, the suspension is a lot better tuned, it's comfortable and in sport mode the BMW takes corners a lot better, the engine sounds better, pulls better and has more instant reaction from the gearbox, it just wins in every category except... the feeling of the car. There's just this "civilized truck" feeling in the Ranger Rover compared to the over grown sedan feeling in an X5.
Will keep my l405
Insurance quotes far too much , great Vid
Why don’t JLR integrate the infotainment screen into the dash and console it would look so much neater. With the cost of range rovers to those of us that buy them from new, and can afford to run them, it wouldn’t make much difference in cost to do that.
The infotainment system looks like it’s a huge iPad that has been stuck on to the dash, and would be a dust trap that hides the wireless charging pad. The charging pad under it didn’t look that easy to access for those with big hands and sausage fingers.
The “iPad” looks like it was forgotten during the initial design……maybe a bit of an “Oh Sh*t, look what we’ve forgotten again guys”! moment from JLR! (Just like the XF Pivi Pro). Apart from this it looks a lovely car!
Keep it as I would much prefer a previous model for less than 15k
How is the steering. The older one was stiff.)
I love the Range rover sports, it has status and defines who you are, its not a car for every Tom harry and Dick, its the Range Rover the pride of the land Rover family
I must say 2 things in particular.
1 - when range rovers of the past were released, all the way back to the l322 when i was 12 years old, i instantly loved and wanted one. This l461 definately doesnt give me that emotion
2 - that touch screen is riddled with fingerprints, which would forever be an issue for me.
Weirdly, my l322 with the 1st of the touch screen shows no finger prints, then the last of the l322 with the newer touch screen, which i also own, does show finger prints!
Is it an air suspension?
Yes
I love it
I can’t agree with this review. The steering is absolutely fine. And to say that it would put you off and you’d go to a bmw is just wrong. I’d say well done to JLR for making such an amazing world beating and world leading car.
Totally agree over the suspension, Joel!
Range Rover used to be wafting around, nowadays, they just don’t. The full size is a lot better than the Sport for sure, but the previous ones, were just… better. They continue to be one of the best, but now, I just think that the XC90 (2016-, with air suspension) is the most comfy SUV, just behind the full size Range Rover (that costs 2 times more). And then, X7. But the Range Sport, isn’t there anymore. What a pity.
Thanks for your insight! Glad it’s not me just being silly!
is it just me or did the suspension creak and squeak on a car with less than 3000miles on the clock?
RIP greenhouse windows
Aren't Range Rover dealerships full of broken down vehicles awaiting parts on backorder?
It's a sport suspension harder
I often have to look twice not sure if range rover or kia.
It's far too plain looking looks the same as any other modern car
Looks fantastic but am sorry 💯 to get stolen And breakdown
Exaggerating very much on the long drive. I actually got that because of my very very long miles I drive on the motorway. I had the 2021 version and I have ordered the 2024 just because it is so so good on very long drives at high speeds. You don’t even feel the car is at very high speeds. I am currently refer to the 2021 version and waiting on the new one. But I can’t believe JLR have deteriorated the car? Mmmm don’t believe. Remember all the bad reviews I watched before I got the 2021 when it came out and realised they were all exaggerations! Waiting for my new one!
Very nice motor,pity they are so easy to steal.😱😱
NO DONT BUY INSURANCE IS A NIGHTMARE IN LONDON I WAS QUOTED 150,000 POUNDS. AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY SAID I WAS ONLY INSURANCED WHILST WEARING WEREWOLF/POWER RANGER PANTS
You’re like a fart Joel. Once you watch one video you cannot stop watching more
Air suspension is bad at quick bumps.
Donk….. low profile tyres don’t help.
First class pratt
Thanks Tony
When it’s bigger than you ar, Jup it’s a small one! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🚘
Unlike Landrover products you can still insure a Jaguar fpace
To my eyes, it's fugly. I suppose once you're inside it, you dont have to look at it.
Good that they kept it in primer though, the next owner can choose what colour to spray it 😂
No.fake stuff please
They can hardly use the range rover name anymore, it's so far removed from the original motor
"you immediately know you're in one because of the warmth of the seat"......so not because of the big range rover logo on the steering wheel right in your eyeline?
Well if you want to play that game, you’d presumably know it’s a Range Rover before you even opened the door too?
@@itsjoelexactly, and now you realise that your comment in the vid really wasn't a great one.
@@waynelewis5656 you are deliberately misunderstanding Joel's comment in the video. We all know what he is implying.. Don't be a smart-ass
@@waynelewis5656 one is born every day, and only 2 die a year. You are that guy.
Go easy on him mate.
Great review joel!
@@bk558462mate?
Rather watch you on the spanners then doing lazy reviews
these Chelsea tractors are worst car on the road for reliability
so would defiantly pass on that one .................
Sadly no point buying one as you can’t insure them as they get stolen so easy
You should never buy any RR or LR. The cost of ownership is too high and the risk of it being a lemon is almost 1.
No the model to buy is a Toyota Land Cruiser. It will look after you much longer the any Range Rover. I am British & would love these 4x4 to be more reliable but the ones we owned over the years all had issues.
Still wouldn’t touch one mate, nothing but hassle
It’s not haitch SE
It’s aitch SE.
Speak properly please
No one in this country speaks proper no more, do they Bruv? 😮😂 says nuffink bout their teachin and teachers 😊
Scrap it! It’s a land rover the worst possible brand out there