Rebutting Genesis Apologetics - 5th of 7 Alleged Myths Pt III
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
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Creationist: Gilgamesh was 66,6% deity and 33,3% human! That's absurd!!"
Also creationist: "Jesus was 100% deity and human."
cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug
"Jesus was his own father. And also, a holy ghost, which is both a separate entity and at the same time not a separate entity"
Math checks out!
This one you have mentioned is totally comical hahaha 😆 truly
Not Creationist Is The Better Also.
My favourite part is that it took him a week to build an entire universe, but attempting a factory reset took over a year....
Obviously lost the boot-up files.
You'd think it could just wave it's hand if it were truly powerful.
@@ericvulgate well god works in mysterious ways lol
Nah man, it's like a game of civ. It takes about a minute to generate a new map but clearing said map takes hundreds of turns.
@@MegaMisch oh man I used to love civ 4!
Just wanted to say thanks to Aron. You were instrumental in pulling me out of my fundamentalist Christian roots- along with Hitchens, Dawkins, Sagan, and Carlin- about a decade ago. I would still be a reactionary fundie (and in denial of being queer) if it weren't for y'all. Your content and rhetoric are excellent, so I'm sure there are thousands more like me that you've helped. Thank you man, keep it up ❤️
❤️❤️
I'm glad you saw the light.
My story is literally identical to yours. Trust me, there are many of us.
Ah, we all are glad for you. In my personal case, the shift towards progressive worldview had occurred before leaving abrahamic religions.
Just wanted to say, thank you Aron.
I've been an atheist since my first doubts began at age 7, which flourished and confirmed me at 11.
Oh crap, you had nothing to do with it, and NOBODY else did, either.
Aron, I watch all your videos to sharpen my knives.
You gotta love the irony of a creationist apologist arguing for why a flood myth is nonsense.
Right! This woo over here is mad but our woo is the right woo.
Talking about unbelievable irony, have a look at this clip. A Bible literalist who thinks the apostles wrote the gospels claims the apostles were illiterate to win an argument with an atheist.
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It’s like their brain functionally doesn’t understand irony.
Cognitive dissonance is some kind of drug.
Well, they do have to unbelieve thousands of religions with about as much proof as theirs.
This video really encapsulates how these biblical literalists can’t look past their own biases. “Gilgamesh is obviously a myth cause actual history gets morphed into mythology as years goes on”. This argument can just as easily be applied to everything in the Bible
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Don’t forget their get out of jail free card that god preserved it whereas mythology wasn’t guarded by god. Check mate amirite? Lol
Apologists when they encounter any scripture/text with a known human author and established authenticity:
_"this was written by man so you know it's completely false."_
Apologists when anyone mentions how we don't know who actually wrote what books of the Bibble or which scriptures are "canon":
_"it isn't important who wrote what because God wrote it through them! This is the word of God! You know it's his message because of the spirit in them!"
The best part of this example is that they convinced themselves that a year long flood is possible, but a week long one is obviously a mythological exaggeration.
Gold, cavemountain, generator absolute
Narrator: "If the Genesis flood never happened, we have no foundation for believing in the rest of what Jesus said."
Me: "I see this as an absolute win!"
"If we don't blindly insist this one thing happened and defend it against all reason, it goes against the idea that literally everything we believe is 100% true so obviously we can't have that!" Way to say the quiet part out loud...
LOL!!!
Imagine the owner of a zoo being “upset” with a set of the animals in the zoo… and the proceeding to flood the zoo until he’d drown every single animal, except for a few.
Or imagine a man with 10 kids become upset with “9” of them, and then proceeding to drown… I think you get the idea.
The way I see it it's more like a video game. We do horrible things to fictional characters all the time in video games
But that's the thing. Those are fictional characters. If there was a real God doing real horrible things to us, then there's no way you could call that God "benevolent"
@@pancakes8670 The best version of the biblical god I've ever seen was Chuck from _Supernatural,_ and he was still a dick, because his writing was affecting conscious entities(in universe).
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Thanks again dear AronRa, ten years ago at the age of 70, I thanked you for leading me out of the clutches of Christianity and opening my mind to secular reality. At the age of 80, I not only share your opinion, but Enjoy an occasional argument with some so called believers, although seldom with success from my position.
At least you're free of it.
It truly is never too late to be saved...From Religion!
Keep looking at Aron Ra - try the Gutsick Gibbon, Godless Engineer, Cosmic Skeptic, Viced Rhino and to go a bit more heavy weight Richard Dawkins and of course the late great Christopher Hitchens, if you read understand and remeber just 10% of all this you will still know 100% more than any creationist. Well done on getting out of Christianity, better late than never you have escaped from the spiritual version of North Korea - keep arguing with Christians it sharpens your mind, never back down to apologetics - I wish you all the best.
I encourage you to be 100% sure the Bible is wrong before it is too late. The Bible is able to offer testable, verifiable evidence in the form of specific, fulfilled prophecies - in fact, the Bible is about 1/4 prophecy! In addition to the many, many historical examples of fulfilled prophecy, here are just a few that have happened in the past 100ish years.
Israel Scattered and returning to her land:
Ezekiel 36:19-24 says, "I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone. “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land."
This is quite amazing. God said He would scatter Israel among the nations for their disbelief and return them back to the land. What other people in the history of mankind has been scattered across the world for hundreds/thousands of years and returned to their homeland (the very same area of land) as an identifiable ethnic race? This is unprecedented throughout the history of humankind and yet the Bible said it would happen way before 1948 when Israel was reborn as a nation.
The land divided:
Amazingly, there is even more detail. When noting that the land will have been divided among the nations Joel 3:1-2 says, "In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land". Notice that last part "...and divided up My land". It was foretold that the land would be divided! Yes, Israel is back in part of the very same land they used to have just as foretold, but some of the land was divided as well among the surrounding countries. The land was in fact divided by Britain, who was in charge of making this land a place for the Jewish people. Instead much of the land was given to the Arabs/"Palestinians". This was formalized in the United Nations Partition Plan which was adopted by the UN General Assembly On 29 November 1947 Resolution 181. This was written WAY before 1947/1948, yet we saw this come to fulfillment in the United Nations Partition Plan. It happened just as foretold even down to the detail of the land being divided among the nations.
The country reborn in 1 day:
What's more, the Bible said Israel would be reborn in 1 day. Isaiah 66:7-8 says, "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." This happened May 14, 1948.
Let's step back now and think about these prophecies. The Bible makes the claim that the Jewish people would be scattered throughout the entire world and return to the very land they were in as an identifiable ethnic race (this has happened twice to them and 0 to anyone else in history). To put into perspective just how bold this prophecy is, this feat has never happened to any other group of people throughout the history of humankind. So the Bible predicted something that has never happened throughout history would happen to a specific people long before it happened, and it came to pass exactly as foretold. As if that wasn't enough it said this would happen and that the land would be divided among the nations, which we know also happened in 1947/1948. Even more, that the country would be "born" in 1 day. There isn't any other religion out there that offers these kinds of specific prophecies that we know were written well before they happened. Evolution is unable to come up with anything that is actually verifiable by definition of it having happened millions/billions of years ago.
It is more logical in my opinion to trust something with concrete, verifiable evidence rather than something that by definition relies on millions/billions of years without any kind of verifiable justification to support that claim.
If you are interested in learning more, I would highly recommend looking at Don Stewart's book (which is free to download as a pdf on his site) called "10 Reasons to Trust the Bible". There you can test the evidence yourself and see whether it makes sense or not. With eternity at stake, it makes sense to be 100% sure the Bible is wrong rather than finding too late that it is true.
Very sad u let a fool like this man who’s gonna lead u to eternal hell. Your 80 and your time is running out my friend, if what Aron says is true then us Christian die to a lie and thats it we’re at peace but if what we say is true then your gonna die in sin and be punished for your sins like prisoners are punished for their crime in jail, but it will be hell. Call out to God and humble your heart ask him if he’s real God will show u. Every atheist that died are no longer atheist but a believer in hell repent and believe in Jesus and what he did for you
I really enjoy this series but you touched on my favorite part of the biblical flood account today. All the civilizations that recorded time, language, and built cities before, during, and after the flood with no breaks or mention of it. I guess they forgot to tell the Egyptians they were underwater for a year.
that detail is indeed one i feel displays how creationists/fundamentalists/any one that takes any part of religion as 'literal' ...either is a tragic case of being duped or so so so very ignorant but also the true despicable kind the knowingly dishonest frauds wanting to live lifes of what ever at the sweat and tears they can rob of others with fraud and hollow authority
@@Amoth_oth_ras_shash well, you hit on something, these "Frauds" study the bible texts way more than you or me, so if we know the truth, then...don't they?
@@TirarADeguello the ones that not hade ther brain matter hammered into hardwired cognitive dissonance early in ther lives or by emotional trauma etc ?.. yes those i consider guilty of knowing its all just a fairy tale farse...but it lines ther pockets and gives them 'fame' ...and often personal little cults.
so those i dare say 'knows' ...but dont 'care' as in behaviour they become more parasites on ther own species and civilization then anything else.
@@literallyliteral6824 D'Oh! cue rim shot.
Technically, a god that could create the world could easily make a snake that could talk, but once you have appealed to miracles, you no longer have the luxury to even pretend to be scientific.
It's so wild to me that when asked for extrabiblical sources, the FIRST thing that guy went to was to cite people who simply believed the Bible was true. I actually laughed out loud at that part.
Creationists are some of the least self-aware people out there, almost as bad as flat Earthers ( and there is some overlap to the two groups ).
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These are the same people who, when asked to verify the validity of the bible, will use other bible verses as if it was an outside source. Then you have people who cite other people who wrote specifically about the bible. As people who argued the X number of witnesses the bible claims saw jesus after the resurrection pointed to works by people who mentioned the bible story. That's it these other works did not verify, prove, nor even question the story they just mentioned it. The dude Strobel or whatever. The guy who swore he was a lie long atheists then did like 2 months worth of research and proved god was real his book mentions a dozen authors who wrote about jesus and because each one mentions the witnesses he counts this as them proving the witnesses were verified
@@raysalmon6566 everything Aron says is backed by actual scientific research, not circular reasoning and books that were chopped apart and reedited multiple times over thousands of years by multiple groups of people with different agendas. Way to prove the OPs point.
@@raysalmon6566 actually he is because he went to school. He studied. He also has science to back him not faith. He didn't fabricate anything, unlike the religious people who go out of their way to lie about science such as they do with evolution. What I laugh at most is you copy and pasted my entire reply without quotation marks to let one know you were quoting me...... And yet did not respond at all to what I said just repeated an assertion. Why would you do that if you were not even going to comment on what I said? You should have just made your reply instead of wasting time. I mean I know there is nothing you could say about the fact religious people just have no idea how proper research works. Oh and the fact they need to lie their asses off for faith because evidence just doesn't exist for thier bs. See the difference between Aron and christians is Aron can back up the claims with evidence christians can't so yeah he would be an expert. Also love how you couldn't list one thing he "fabricated" to atleast attempt to support your lame attack. You know like I did when I was pointing out how far a christian will go to lie about evidence or screw up the research because they are trying to hard to prove a thing they can't prove.
6:05 "How could water cover [the] earth in just 6 days?" ... This is coming from the same people who say the entire universe was created in 6 days...
LMFAO .Yeah IKR .... its like masterclass in how to torpedo the shit out of your own base premise
@@raysalmon6566
Except .... FACT: there has never been (and will never be) enough water on planet earth to create a global flood event, as described in the Bible, its factually that simple. This is were proper education easily refutes mindless dogma. i'll say it again, Biblical flood, IMPOSSIBLE as the planet has never held enough water for such an event to occur. Not my opinion, or what my pastor says, just the facts. I strongly advise you find another hill to die on as this one is genuinely a lost cause. Ask some geologists about it ..... i dare you.
@@raysalmon6566
Just not listening are you?
Considering you chosen presupposition i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
Which part of NEVER been enough water is confusing? When I say never ,I mean never in the known history of the planet, and we know the history for a long way back. We know in some detail the geological history of the planet, air composition, land mass distribution, ocean composition, approximate weather, and yes ocean depths, etc, etc. 100's scientific disciplines and collecting EVIDENCE over the past few hundred years all pointing to exactly the same conclusions.
Never was at any point enough water on earth for a global flood.
At least you are rational enough not admit the global flood idea is unsupported.
But your reasoning on human population is flawed if you seriously think the only human populated areas 2000 years ago were around the Middle East. Are you seriously suggesting that Africa, South Asia, Europe, Austral Asia, and East Asia, lacked a human population?
Actually, i don't need to accept ANYTHING that doesn't present reasonable evidence for its existence. Hence, my dismissal of your own belief system.
@@raysalmon6566
Yeah sure genius ..... enjoy your koolaid.
@@raysalmon6566 prove it
I like how they actually give the _"no one knew it was coming until the day Noah stepped into the ark"_ verse out of one side of their mouth, while pretending that _"Noah went around preaching to the wicked people who could have been saved if only they weren't so wicked!"_ out of the other.
It’s two stories rolled into one, two completely different god concepts.
You can separate the two stories out and they each read a lot better, but obviously with different details, like one god wants seven pairs of clean animals and the other one pair of each animal.
I distinctly heard a squeaky toy @ 5:47 LOL!! Awesome!!🤙🏼😂
My dog always trying to upstage me somehow.
Let me get this straight: Young earth creationists believe the entire universe was created in 6 days, but are skeptical of a mere global flood lasting 6 days...What madness is this?
In the story, it lasted way more than 6 days.
@@DJ-73 40 and 40 nights. I'm not even a biblical scholar and I know how long the flood story lasted.
@@DJ-73 I was referring to the length of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh
@@starofjustice1 I was referring to the Epic of Gilgamesh
@@thebravesoul I wasn't talking to you.
Think about it: Hebrews were commanded to bring their _best_ crops or animals to sacrifice, and burn to release the "sweet savor for the Lord" (cooking meat). They weren't allowed to enter certain holy places where priests were allowed. Which tells me the priests were eating the best food in the land for free behind their secret doors. What a racket they had going.
Look up the 613 commandments (or mitzvot) and you'll see that what you're saying not only happened, it was part of the rules.
The Greeks played a prank on their gods, which allowed them to burn bones wrapped in fat, and keep the good meat for themselves.
@@PlatinumAltaria Prometheus is a better example of a loving god than Yahweh. He's also a better example of a noble sacrifice than Jesus.
Yeah the invisible pink unicorn is fake...But the invisible blue unicorn is totally real! ~ Creationists
ITS GREEN YOU HALFWIT
I really like how they said stories become exaggerated over time and then showed the comparison between the biblical and Gilgamesh versions, where the primary differences are the last 2 numbers being way bigger in the Bible's version.
Also, very amusing that they can look at the older versions and say "well this is clearly unrealistic and only loosely based on a real event" and in practically the same breath look back at the Bible version and say "this really happened" with no irony.
"Lets look at extra biblical sources"
Proceeds to refer to the beliefs of early Christians.
I don't think he understands the concept of independent sourcing....
That line of the biblical flood being plausible really got me. Really glad I finished my drink before that.
I fight anti-vaxxers all day, and I've learned a lot about ways to explain things from you. Appreciate your work!
Like cage fighting?
But …. Why?
@@whynottalklikeapirat maybe they are a doctor? Idunno, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to rationality and reasonableness, part of the reason why I don't fight conspiracy theorists all day.
@@phillyphakename1255 I like to try to conserve my frail faith in my fellow man and not pop a brain vessel in the process which is part of the reason I don’t fight conspiracy theorists all day.
Pfizer did some dodgy sh#t and there’s thousands of people who were affected by that shit and the perpetrators got away with it. Dr Robert Malone confirmed this on the Joe Rogan Experience
The later part with the Chinese characters being Biblically derived is reaching on another level. Someone just made up a mnemonic story to help kids remember the order of how to draw the characters and then it got adapted after the fact to fit with an assumed biblical narrative. We do it all the time with children when teaching how to write letters or numbers.
So we're to accept that the Chinese developed an intricate series of alphabets and characters, then were wiped out in the flood. Some of Noah's children and grandchildren came along after, and just decided to immediately stop using their own language and adopt Chinese characters, syntax, and cultural practices with absolutely no downtime or learning period? And not the eminently more believable story of there wasn't a worldwide flood, and Chinese culture, language, and record keeping carries on through the time of the flood with no interruption because there was no interruption.
They use the "tower of Babel" story to explain that....I mean, the whole story has to make some kind of sense or it would be unbelievable....oh, wait...
It’s truly infuriating how easily they mock the other stories & how easily they understand THEIR mythical origins. Yet put these arguments to an apologist & they’ll twist themselves into pretzels to avoid admitting this about THEIR favourite myth. I know these videos aren’t meant to convert anyone, but instead are meant to reassure those already deluded, but the sheer hypocrisy on display here should trigger a twinge of embarrassment in any intellectually honest viewer. Frankly I hope these videos spread through religious communities as they’re so disingenuous & so easy to see through that they’ll damage faith far better than most atheistic arguments. One little step at a time toward reason.
Wow Aron, the depth of your knowledge and your eloquence are really impressive and I love your videos. Americans atheist or not are fortunate to have you as a voice of reason.
Lol 😂 he’s just a lying grifter 👋👋👋😂😂😂😂
@@raysalmon6566 what the fuck does that have to do with me being deceived ?
@@dennispickard7743 I know. Even people on the same "side" can't identify each other. How's that for ineffable wisdom.
@@starofjustice1 I don’t know mate ., but claimed Atheists don’t know what an Atheist is ! Do you ?
I love how they showed the ark basically sinking.
Oh, my goodness. Watching Creationists try to debunk Gilgamesh with the Bible is like sitting in on a Comicon argument about whether the Green Lantern would win in a fight with Superman.
Green Lantern would just make a lump of Green K! Superman beaten!
That potholer54 video is probably my all-time favorite of his
This is some championship level mental gymnastics! Imagine saying Gilgamesh is clearly nonsense, but our story is 100% true, even the parts that are identical! 🤦♂️
When I was a kid and first learned about the Greco/Roman, Celtic/Norse myths it started me thinking that if these magical tales of gods were just stories, how was it that the Christian religion, rife with magic, wasn't mythical as well. I'd already started to question and now I had even more questions to which the answer always was that those are just myths, but OUR religion is actually true. Why? Because it just was. And another stone falls out of the wall.
Seriously...god myths have come from people in every corner of the world. The god myth that came from this one corner of the world is the real one. Why don't we have myths for the same being showing themselves to people everywhere, then, and not just that one area?
Aron, here in Kingman, AZ, we had a bit of flooding the other day. Easy in desert areas, and some people freaked. But, all dried up within hours. Now, good weather, cool,(under 90! at 7am this morn) and while I was watching this our electric went out! For an hour. So, I came back to finish it, after morning chores. As always, excellent work. As for our flood,(snicker) and then the 'outage' a couple days later, I know people here will, within a month or two, will be adding a foot and a couple hours while somehow connecting the events! As for the flood myths, they aren't even good fables! Especially the Hebrew one. No 'moral' of the story! Nothing very moral in our Bible! Laughable, yes. Moral? Not at all!👍🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌
If there only was one flood there would only be one story of that flood because all others would be dead.
The fact that there is a lot of flood myths indicates that there were many local floods, and that people wrote about them.
I love Atrahasis and Gilgamesh so much. Their stories are better than the Bible in many respects, but one of my favorite ways they differ is the grief. In the older stories we see Atrahasis unable to keep from sadness before the flood comes because he knows of the death to come, and after the flood is underway and people are dying, the gods are not only afraid for their lives because they underestimated the flood weapon, the mother goddess herself has a lament where she bemoans the slaughter and wishes she hadn't gone along with the plan because she feels as if her own children were killed. Guilt and acknowledgment of the horrific event. That is what stands out to me in the Sumerian and Babylonian versions. The Bible completely ignores the fact that this was a mass genocide on a scale unheard of.
Wow, this crap is painful. Thanks Aron for not only going through this for us, but refuting it for others!
The flood story breaks down under the slightest scrutiny, but it works fine as a parable, and requires no mental gymnastics. Granted, not a particularly good parable, with God killing everyone, but it still works. Watching believers try to explain how it's real is hilarious.
ZERO Self-awareness. The IRONY. Gotta love it. 😂
It baffles me how they can always see how clearly absurd every religion that isn't theirs is, yet somehow theirs makes complete sense even though it's the exact same cookie cutter nonsense as every other religion.
I remember having the ark be a center piece for my old church's Halloween celebration. You had to throw bean bags into the 3 windows, which is funny to me.
Ironic though that the ark is just another story playing dress up.
I used to do that too! I didn't even make the connection with religion till now, my atheist parents sheltered me pretty well 😅
There’s been a recent surge in YEC defenders so this is the perfect antidote.
I listen to your videos as I fall asleep almost every night. Your methodical explanations are soothing and it’s a nice daily reminder against the indoctrination I was raised in.
Dude same. His voice is so calming
Thanks Aron, just a little support from Europe!
I don't care what length or width it is, considering that a wooden box/boat and everyone within it is going to be reduced to its component molecules within seconds of being exposed to rain coming down even half as fast as needed to cover the earth in a measly 40 days and nights.
Well, Gilgamesh’s story was a bit more reasonable in that the flood was regional. The wood would still be partially damaged, but not on the same level as Noah’s ark.
@@juanjoyaborja.3054 I believe that the myth of Utnapishtim was also supposed to be about a world wide flood, since it was intended to wipe out all of humanity, it's just that neither the ancient Babylonians nor the ancient Hebrews had any idea of how big the world actually was.
@@lnsflare1 That’s true
Right? Earth would quickly become hotter than Venus.
@@lnsflare1if the table of nations in the bible is any indication, the bible authors had no idea either
All religions are based on mythology
It's good to remember that the purpose of these apologetic videos is not to convince unbelievers, but to inoculate believers who accidentally stumble upon the truth.
Aron, thank you for the content!
Could you do a "religions explained", with a different religion each episode? Maybe in an evolutionary frame, specifying their origins and ramifications, etc...
I know it would be a lot of work, but I really like the way you explain!
Believing 2+2=5 as a pastor doesn't do much harm, except balancing your checkbook. But if you're an engineer designing bridges or air planes, that can only end in disaster.
Maybe that's why we're in so much trouble today (2022) because people think this god is real and loving.
If only people would apply the same level of skepticism to their own fairytales as they do to others,
Gotta love how they point out that a story gets more exaggerated over time, then tries to say that the single family completing the Ark with no real knowledge of shipbuilding practices is less exaggerated and more believable than a ruler using thousands of laborers to build a crappy box.
and that 6 days is exaggaration but 1 year is reasonable.
This video is worth it for the collection of ancient flood myths alone
Thanks for these videos. I love learning more about the silliness of religion.
I was actually slightly convinced by the pictographs combined into characters, because I know nothing of languages or their evolution. I'm glad it was cleared up, and now makes much more sense to me
I continue to research, but I wish I had your delivery and knowledge when I'm approached by people that force their belief onto me. I had a person say to me the other day, "I'm hoping you see the light". Even when I showed them your video showing the evidence involved they said to me that none of it is evidence 😒 even followed it up with, "they have assumed wrong, therefore came up with the wrong conclusions".. how do I attract such people. I just want to be left alone to enjoy life my way. Keep doing what you're doing, Aron 👍🏻
As always another great video Aron!
I have to say, the bit with the guy connecting chinese script to the Bible was one of the most hilarious things I have seen in a while. Made me remember that Bill Hicks reverse-record-satanic-music bit.
It just blows my mind how these people can actively disprove the Bible and flip everything 180 degrees and say that ot actually proves the Bible right. Just insane.
Absolutely bloody brilliant! A whole hour of sanity to escape from all the obsequious bowing, scraping & forelock tugging of the current mournathon going on here in the UK.
My country has completely lost it's collective mind so this was a delightful sanctuary with some Potholer54 thrown in too!
Thanks Aron. Much appreciated mate!
Roll on the republic, proportional representation & rejoining the EU before we all end up as dribbling lunatics!
I love the incredulity of the apologist stating 6 days is impossible. A 15 cm water level rise per minute is completely believeable.
I do love me some Aron Ra first thing in the morning.
I bet his wife has said that same thing multiple times.
She must be as interested in debunking apologetics as aronra and enjoy it first thing in the morning ha ha
[6:53] “A floating 200-by-200-foot cube and six days for worldwide inundations certainly stretch credulity.” I had to pause the video here while I laughed. The irony is staggering.
Also love how the dude mocks the idea of a basket floating and yet the Moses story is of a basket floating down a river and that's ok.
Creationists forget Exodus most of the time. They also say that life can't come from nonlife in their preachings and oversee the 2 wise men of the king of egypt / pharoah turning lifeless sticks to living snakes.
You know, after watching all of these videos, I've decided I should make my own prophecies.
Here they are:
The sun WILL rise in the morning
The moon WILL go through phases over the period of a month.
The Earth WILL go through four seasons.
oh shit are you divine
Yes the bearded invisible sky wizard is quite the sadist.
It amazes me that the Ark was pressurized. If the planet was completely covered then so was Mt. Everest. At that altitude EVERY living this thing on that "boat" would have suffocated and frozen solid! The Temperatures at that altitude, while not steady, is around -40C/F and the air is VERY thin. I am a retired airline pilot and I know how cold t is up there. I've seen it at -73C over Alaska and an altitude only barley above Everest.
I like the part about the bird finding dry land, and coming back with a branch...that must have been one tough bird to fly at that altitude! But really what good does that do you when you're out to sea in a boat with no power?? :)
Hey now, stop it with your logic. They just want to believe in their fairy tales.
It’s amusing that a supposedly ‘all-powerful’ god needed humans to build a boat, and that he needed humans to write about his great works. Equally, there is no evidence to prove that Jesus Christ was literate. With no supporting evidence whatsoever, I have no reason to assume that Jesus Christ had superhuman powers. Furthermore, the lack of evidence suggests that the alleged utterances of Jesus Christ could be 100% fictional, as well as being wrong. There is no doubt whatsoever that any literate person could wilfully distort, of even wholly fabricate, accounts of this nature.
It is beyond irony to listen to that guy mock the Epic of Gilgamesh and the details in it when absolutely everything he said to Mock and criticize that story, the very book of scripture that he advocates for is guilty of the exact same absurdities and in some cases even more bizarre than the Epic of Gilgamesh. Because this man is so blinded by his predisposition that the Bible is true, he does not see the Folly in the hypocrisy in his judgment or criticism. To call those gods "Sky gods" with almost a sarcastic tone had me laughing because so many of the stories in the Old Testament and New Testament depict Yahweh as being a sky god as well like the Tower of Babel, god smelling the smoke that Rises from burnt offerings, god looking down from the heavens or coming down from the heavens, Etc.. well, many of his critiques had me laughing because passages from the Bible immediately came to mind that were more than comparable. What a blind fool that guy is.
The only real difference between the stories is that Gilamesh is a god, and Noah just talks to "God."
And you know "God" hooks Noah up with all the gopher wood and stuff. You saw the movie "Evan Almighty" with Steve Carrell and Morgan Freeman, right?
@@69eddieD of course I did, I was a big fan of Bruce Almighty so naturally I had to see the one with Steve in it and I thought that was a great movie as well.
@@69eddieD I understand that but that doesn't negate my point. Now that I am no longer a Protestant Christian and do not believe that the Noah's flood story was at all historical, it now appears to me to be just as absurd as the other flood myths that I never believed to be true when I was a Christian.
@@brucecook502 Just like Noah's Ark, many tales in the bible are rehashed folklore.
"Jesus said/did ..."
So Bible believers tell us that there was a dude who was so divinely extraordinary - yet he didn't make it into the history books although repeating all the miracles of other messiah/Christ/savior/redeemer (half) gods?! And his life was surrounded by earth shattering events which also were not noticed by any contemporary author in one period of history when being a historian, an author reporting the things that surrounded them was the pastime and avocation of the nobility.
Jesus in parts repeats the Moses story - 40 years for Moses in the desert, 40 days for Jesus, and some other aspects; I am not interested in diving into the mythic fairy tale that you can only believe when you are brainwashed before you reach the age of reason, but it seems to me that the authors who made up the Jesus story repeated not only parts of the Moses plot, but they repeated the creation of a savior Moses (who saved from slavery in Egypt which never happened) by creating another patchwork savior to unify the many competing Christ cults worshiping Serapis Christ, Vespasianus Christ and others with one new Christ whom all had to worship when the "Jesus -was-real Christians" became state religion and burned the books of the historians and destroyed the knowledge of their predecessor cults (including the certified knowledge on the shape of the earth).
Today's Christians claim that Jesus must have been a real person since Christians of the first centuries were ready to die for their faith - but if we discard minor persecutions of Christians the real ones must have started large scale when they were state religion and eliminated not only the knowledge but the heretics who believed in different Christs or different versions of a Jesus Christ. That would make Christianity's success story start right from the beginning the same as it was for nearly 2000 years and how today's Evangelicals want to continue when I hear them say that you can't be an American if you don't believe in Jesus.
Killing for their faith has a tradition in Christianity from the very start, and dying for their faith would make Islam the true version of an Abrahamic religion today.
I think there's a verse for that...
If there really was a worldwide flood, there was magic involved. You can insist that it doesn't count as magic because only arcane magic is really magic, divine magic and primal magic aren't magic, but only people within the Christian religion already would feel compelled to recognize that distinction. Their argument at six minutes in so far boils down to "our model is more scientifically possible" even though they are ignoring all the ways it isn't.
Ok, the comment the guy makes about the Anunaki gods is laughable. A lot of fundamentalists believe in Divine Command Theory, which boils down to "whatever God says is what is moral, and who are YOU, you puny mortal weakling, to question GOD?" If we are obligated to accept this about the god of the Bible within the narrative of the Bible, we have to accept this about Marduk within the Enuma Elish. Perhaps more relevant to modern times, we would have to accept that Allah is perfectly moral within the narrative of the Quran, which I *know* most fundamentalists would be loath to do.
Fortunately I don't accept that for any gods and many gods embrace their darkness and light and seek balance instead of pretending to be pure and righteous, at least in their lore.
Thank you Aron, keep up the good work 👍
Loved it.
That last Chinese character for "big boat", he claims it's "boat" plus "eight" plus "people", but unless I'm much mistaken that's a mouth radical, not a person radical. So it would stand for something roughly like "eight-door boat".
Also what he shows in the garden character doesn't feature one of the "woman" radicals that I'm aware of.
Now, granted I only know the Japanese versions, and only about 200 kanji at that, so I could be wrong.
The character 船 is comprised of "boat" on the left and the sound "yǎn" on the right (it literally means a marsh), and it's pronounced "chuán". The character for garden is 園 contains the radical definitely doesn't contain woman: 女.
@@PlatinumAltaria Thanks that's good to know! I wrote my post before the potholer54 part, where explained about tonal markers in the characters. So basically the creationist nonsense is even more wrong!
Yeah Jebus did the ultimate I'm going to take out the trash and never came back move.
Haha! Their tactic for proving Genesis is correct is to point out the absurdities of a fable written by primitive humans. How ironic!
Thank you Aron for all the time and effort you put into the work you do. I have learned much about evolution and the classification of life thanks to you. I always look forward to your next videos. Keep it up
THAT'S the end title music I wait for! Thanks!
I have always wondered about the fish. Most freshwater species have a very narrow range of temperature and salinity they can survive. Did Noah have aquariums all over the ark.
An interesting fact is that the Hebrew Bible refers to God in several ways
2 of the words that describe God are "Elohim" (אלוהים)
and "Adonay" (אדוני)
The translation of "Elohim" is "gods"
The translation of "Adonay" is "my lords"
Spot on! Also dig the Billy Mumy reference!
A flood of beer. Homer Simpson would be very happy🍻🍻🍻🍻
Where did the waters of the global flood go? Simple, Thor drank it all during the trials of Utgard-Loki!
When presented with evidence that proves them wrong, young earth creationists fumble with their lies, or they say it was Satan’s influence.
No! Houdini did not believe in the supernatural and actively debunked spiritualism. He told his wife that if the afterlife existed he would contact her. He never did.
He was a good friend of Arthur Conan Doyle, who was susceptible to spiritualism because his son was killed in WWI. He and Doyle would attend some spiritualistic seance and then Houdini would show how the various effects and voices were done much to Doyle's amazement. (Famously, Doyle fell for supposed fairy photographs made by some children.)
I hope I haven't given the impression that Houdini believed in the supernatural. I know better than that.
Fascinating video Aron. Heading over to patreon. Folks, support the man’s work!
The only thing I don't like about a series like this from Aron is when it eventually ends. I'll never understand how people in this day and age can still believe that myths in an ancient book are somehow literal history, even in the face of the mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Evidences?
Did not anyone else have a ship, was there no trade by sea in the Mediterranean or else where ? So according to this mythology these ancient civilisations can build pyramids, ziggurats, temples etc. etc. but cannot build a boat ?
Are you defending the Biblical flood by noting that people can build boats?
Hard to tell your tone.
No I am NOT defending the Biblical flood, I am just stating the obvious - how come no other people survived as surely there must have been other seagoing craft, this is just my little comment on what I consider a total absurdity that is the "Great Flood".
@@anthonycrumb5753 - got it. Thanks. Good point.
The whole of apologetics can be distilled down to trying to argue that two plus two can equal five.
Aron tells it like it is!! All religions are just so silly and delusional!! Grown adults living in fairytales.
Felt like this needed a bit of Dr Josh.
I so rarely hear people pronounce nu-wa correctly, but I'm not surprised you nailed it haha. The Chinese creation myth is my personal favorite.
Another banger🔥
I would argue that Jesus was portrayed as mostly believing that diseases were caused by sin.
I just have to laugh at all the claims that Noah's flood is so much more believable than the other flood myths! Only if you want it to be true.
You are awesome dude. Thank you for your dedication over the decades to help relate such information to as many as will listen.
Love potholer, he's the best
If anything multiple imperfect gods ordering a flood makes more sense than a just all knowing god doing so out of regret. BS either way but the apologist still picks the more nonsensical one to defend as the reasonable one.
at 6:55, I noticed that 371 = 365 + 6. Coincidence? I would not be surprised if the bible authors decided to add one year because the story of the 6 day flood was well known.
Hello Aron,
My ears perked up when you mentioned Finkel. I have his book about building an ark, and enjoyed watching the videos about the ark getting built.
I love that "but it gets worse than that!"
23:06 - Isn't it strange, how if you follow the motive trail, of any apologist, it always leads to money?
I mean really, every single time, without fail.
It was the 2nd clue I had about religion, just being a bunch of BS, when I was growing up.
The 1st clue was, whenever I heard somebody speaking about what their god wants or demands, they were actually talking about what they want, and what they demand (from you of course).
Because apparently, their omnipotent god, can't do anything on his own, nor can the clergy. They're both apparently powerless. Only the parishioners are able to do so, apparently.
The reason I know it's BS, is because never once have I ever seen clergy, put so much as a penny In the poor box, much less on top of the the collection plate.
Why would they? It's not like that money is actually going to their deity or something...
Completely agre with you, money is the reason for most religious leaders to continue with their doctrines. There are few that openly declare that religions are lies and leave it, because they were in it for reasons other than money. Religious leaders can get a job and work to have money, after all, isn't that a consequence of the original sin from Adam and Eve? I know for a fact that they would have to work if they want to keep the luxurious lifestyles they have and didn't impose tithing or well being "Blessings" from "God" only in exchange for money. Make them pay taxes as well
Excellent debunking. Apologists, in English or Chinese, just aren't prepared for people who know what t hey are s talking about.
That painting in the credits is beautifully chilling
Honestly the Chinese part is really interesting. It's clearly a stretch, but like, it's interesting to think about as someone who knows Chinese and a bit about character history
7:10 Anyone know where this interview is?? Its one of Aron’s best meat grinder moments