@@tristantully1592 also doesn't help that they nerfed Zerg into the ground (basically because Serral is so good) so majority of pro Zerg players were forced to drop that faction entirely. Serral is one of the few who can overcome what majority of pros in the industry called a faction killing nerf. Now the Clem has had a similar run to Serral i wouldn't be surprised to see Terran get some nerfs in the not too distant future.
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Clem is godlike... Just wiped the floor with Serral. This is unbelievable.. The fact Serral is in the military changes a lot but this is an outstanding achievement. Clem is at his best.
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@@astrolux444 he’s the best marine medivac player ever Problem is there reaches a micro point with marine medivac where they are essentially super cheap, super hyper mobile, super fast, super quickly produced, supported by tanks needing no siege upgrade, liberator, and cloaked widow mine… …super carriers. Not a coincidence this imbalance was put on display at such a big moment - one of the very few pro players in the world put in the micro training to take advantage of what is clearly an imbalance in the game. If there were thousands of pros and more money in the last few years we’d have seen it sooner - everyone on the ladders, including teams, saw this coming though. We’ve all watched marines run as fast as mutas while shredding them or have 12 marines and a couple vacs absolutely crush a number of battle cruisers.
@@ShyBri41 You won't stop crying won't you ? What's funny is that everything you're bringing forth (overly dominant player t-baggin opponents), Serral did it for the past 6 years, and you weren't complaining then. Your bias is showing.
@@ZeAldhyr dude Serral got all of Zerg nerfed and I literally took no part in the convo I was busy. This will get nerfed. For sure it’s gonna get nerfed somehow, just as Serral did
@@LowkoTV Sad to see Serral lose (he was my favorite) but it's awesome that you got to be the face of StarCraft for many who have never seen it before! Great games, very enjoyable!
I'm really looking forward to how this might push Serral to up his game even further. Can't wait to see both these guys at the next Major/Premier tourney. HerO too, dude played like an absolute boss.
Serral is in military service. What do you mean? 😅 He will just have more time eventually to play more. But he will also be older and age strucks really fast in skills
serral should just do what 80% of zerg players have now done since the 'imbalance council' had their way and say 'this game is broken and i quit'. like reynor does, just be honest about it.
@@paultvshow he currently serves his military service in finnland…maybe thought that it would be too easy for him if he had more training…altough a 5-0 swipe is crazy
I think Clem found the holy grail strategy for TvZ. Look how many queens he snipes, if he can snipe banes he will, hydras the same but when it's just lings and queens he focuses the queens - it really shows in the creep spread and it's way harder for Zerg to keep hatcheries high on drugs. Even in past games when Clem beat Serral I don't think I've ever seen him successfully and consistently limit the creep to basically just the Zerg bases. As Winter would say - a truly French, revolutionary idea.
zerg is literally micro limited class, there is no stuff to micro, there were infestors and they got nerfed to the ground. terran vs zerg is basically micro kill the banes and u outdps zerg by quadruple the amount, they just die
@@onetwo-gt2tr you gotta micro like 3 different casters as zerg to use effectively what are you talking about. Imagine microing queens to transfuze ultras and broodlords, infestors to fungal and mind control, vipers to yoink and blinding cloud on 3 different hot keys all in the same battle? Its so difficult we havent even seen it done effectively yet in a battle and if you think its been done provide the replay. Imagine adding lurkers to that whole bonanza to burrow in range and make use of their splash while keeping everything else going? If we got a clem level micro with serrall macro maybe wed see it but ive been watching sc2 for over a decade and never seen someone micro to that level.
I don't even play Starcraft (was into it back in the early 2000s) but I've been watching your streams for years. You've done amazing things for the community, Lowko. Definitely don't sell yourself short. The community wouldn't be as good without you. You and Artosis have really brought RTS to the masses.
Not absurd. Unbalanced. Combine super cheaply mass producible easily upgradable hyper mobile marines shooting up and sideways as fast as flying mutas when stimmed with super fast instant pick up drop ships that heal and producible 2 at a time out of reactors? What you get is a combination whose Dominicance is only limited by a players micro, and Clem is showing everyone who wants to go high in pro how to do it. Because Marine medivac never loses - only ones micro does. So, master the micro, and you’ll make serral look like a newb. It’s clearly a balance issue that Clem is the first to really put on display and unfortunately happened at a huge world championship that made these games absolutely horrible to watch cause all serious StarCraft people saw what was going on
@@ShyBri41 The thing that's struck me over the past couple of years watching the pro scene is that Zerg is now expected to be the "roll with the punches and turtle until early mid-game" race, but then they don't really have as good of a late game ability due to the poor trading of units. The balance with Zerg has clearly been cut too fine due to Serral's dominance. If defense isn't letter perfect against such micro, you just lose straight out of the gate.
@@ShyBri41 maybe serral should just learn the matchup. maybe serral should study his opponent. maybe serrall... etc etc etc. All excuses i heard for serral dominating other players. Serral got his ass handed to him by somebody who studied his play and learned to read him like a book. clem still loses plenty of games to other players. Get over it, clem earned this not becuase TeRaN oP, he earned this through serral playing the exact same way he always does and getting hard countered. He earned this by playing like an absolute boss. serral fanboys get rekt, new goat in town.
@@ShyBri41 I don't entirely agree because Clem is the ONLY one who can do that to Serral in Terran. All the other top Terran players like Maru have been destroyed by Serral (Maru has lost 2 times 4-0 to Serral in the grand final in the last 2 LANs). And to be honest I didn't find Serral very good in this Grand Final (mentally he wasn't conquering as usual), not very creative, rather fearful, almost always at home and so Serral has to find a new strategy against him. Or maybe Clem has simply become too fast and too strong for him. The only ones who can keep up with him are Reynor, who took 2 games from him, and Maxpax. And don't forget that Serral doesn't play as much as he used to and is older than Clem, all of which plays into the equation. I thinck before crying unbalance, it's important to remember that Serral has more than once spanked top players too, and nobody said that Zerg was cheat. As far as I'm concerned, even if playing Terran at Clem's level seems extremely strong, you have to remember that it's also EXTREMELY hard to play at that level, and that Clem at the moment is just about the undisputed best.
If Serral can be solely responsible for numerous Zerg nerfs, maybe it's Clem's turn. EDIT: to be clear, I mostly meant this as a joke since Lowko often has commented how Serral was responsible for multiple Zerg nerfs.
i don't think. The top 4 was composed of 2 zerg (Dark and Serral), one Terran (Clem) and one Protoss (Her0) It's was pretty even qualification. Clem and Serral are just 2 monster. And by the wat Retnnor was close to beat clem (3:2)
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 oh, that is nothing. Just wait and see finally the deserved nerf that terran need. The cost efficency of MMM or ghosts are absurd...and Clem, just like Serral did, will be responsable to a lot of balance patch that will nerf this ( probably the first one will be mines, but we will see).
Only time i remember. Has a new tag now. Ragnarok for a couple of premiere tournaments was known as yhe serral sniper. That stopped when basilisk picked up raynor and serral. No pro zerg in Europe would practice with him.
Hey lowko, just recently found your channel and I'm loving it so far. I used to watch starcraft all the time when husky was a commentator still. Once he stopped so did I. All that to say you are the first person I've enjoyed listening to since husky so thank you!
First off...kudos to Clem for a SUPER on-point series of Starcraft play! He was on fire that whole time! Really shows how the practice he's been putting in has paid off imo! I was actually really impressed that Serral was put on the back-foot so hard! I don't think I've seen a game or series where he struggled that badly. No doubts he still did what he could and he played very impressively. Lots of variables could be considered as to what affected overall gameplay...but...not my place, ultimately as a fan; I want to express a massive kudos to both Clem & Serral for an amazing set of games, congratulate Clem on the win and wish both players well! Thank you Lowko for casting this! I do really enjoy your channel and your casts! My life for Auir!
So competitive cod player here who also absolutely loves RTS games even more the cod. I love the way you talk about the gentlemen agreements in cod weapons and or snaking or equipment because my background in high level rts (supcom2 console and also aoe2 on pc) we never had that. It was everything in the game is completely fair and whatever it takes to win is just part of it. Cod players that play for money are incredibly different people and I feel like I’m one of the few who love both genres and played one at a very high level and the other at a competitive level it kinda makes me laugh when both different genres look at the weirdness in each others competitive scene! I love both a lot and this is my first time delving into StarCraft and it looks amazing! Great casting!
Serral completelly gave up with 8k minerals and 3k gas in the bank. He never looked so hopeless. I did believe he will reverse it though, but to lose 5:0, before lossing 3:0, all I have to say is congrats Clem!
Thats the only balance issue id agree with, ghost do need more work but the problem is the late game is balance on top of the ghost if you kill the ghost then Terran has nothing for late game, mech whitout ghost is trash and bio is even more trash and air is just not it. It sucks that late game depends only on one unit which is only counter by lower tier cheap units or insane micro and spell casters traps.
@@unclefine This is indeed a problem. Nerf the ghost, then Terran have nothing on late game. How the balance team trapped themselves on this is a mistery.
ghost needs a snipe size nerf ive been saying it forever. The larger the unit the weaker the snipe should be. It makes sense vs casters. It doesnt make sense vs ultralisks. Same thing should be applied to the viper yanking motherships with abduct. Should take like 4 vipers to yoink a mothership or 3 for a carrier. Edit: I see alot of people saying what would happen if you nerfed the ghost to terran's late game. I think a small nerf like i proposed would adjust the role of the ghost considerably so its not built en masse like it is now for the snipe ability.
@@xv9021 it's reasonable, but if the ghost can't deal whit ultralisks, then what? And if the nerft doesn't change the interaction then is meaningless, maybe the cost efficiency? It's hard man
@@unclefine Early in sc2 idra tried to mass ultras against maru. Maru made marauders and thors and absolutely rofl stomped him, only for idra to cry "imba" over tournament game chat. This was so long ago Day9 was the one casting the replay before his fall from grace. Point being you have late game thors to deal with broods and ultras, and they are not as ubiquitous and cheap as ghosts.
that's what we called a curb stomp back in the day....glad Serrall got some of what he dished out to Maru earlier this year....just like Serrall...Clem's game when he's at his best is unbeatable
Clem went on from an average pro Terran player to become someone Serral actually struggles with! Never will I thought this day will come as I actually think Maru will take that from Serral back then. Well done Clem!
Hopefully, when Serrals military service is over and he has again more time to practice, he can climb back to the top. After all what really hurt him here the most was that he couldnt keep up with Clems incredible speed. And to get there you need to train *a lot*
Honestly, Serral looked so stressed and out of it from the first round. Not gaming wise, just him being on that stage. I hope he is well, doesn't matter if he wins. or loses, he will always be the goat.
@@Kazuhiro-i It'd certainly help me a lot. Spoken like someone who's never failed to make rent, lived without health insurance, and been unable to afford therapy. Those things have been terrible for my mental health. Especially the inability to afford medicine that I relied upon for over a decade, for mental health issues. Turns out, money matters a lot when you don't have enough. My landlord who's made me go two months without a working washing machine because she's too busy using my money to vacation in greece to replace it can wipe her tears with the cash she extorts from me - or blow it out her ass, for all I care. She can certainly afford to get help for whatever upsets *her*.
@@Kazuhiro-i Unless wasted, money does give a degree of stability. If you have mental issues it won't magically heal you; but at least is one thing you don't have to worry about. But yes, rich people can go through bad mental illnesses like the rest. It's still one thing that does not add to the pile.
In my mind its like "yeah SC2 came out like 5 years ago" and then Lowko "It's still fun to see that after 14 years of starcraft, a ton of people still join in to watch"
Honestly, I think Starcraft would continue to be great with more intentional casting and explanation like Lowko was describing. From a spectator perspective, the mix of skirmish and big picture strategy keeps it intriguing - it can just be overwhelming if you don't play the game. Excellent work as ambassador for the game!
Hey Lowko, would you please show a little bit more of the Terran bases in future casts, specifically the main base? I ask because I like to see the exact switcherus between the barracks, factories and starports etc. . That way it's easier to copy build orders from the best players. Obviously you gotta show the shenanigans that are happening at the front but it in between there's quite some time, to show the structures setup of the players.
1:01:43 We have seen at the tournament, that Solar also tried this drone evacuation trick against I believe Maru. He didn't really escape with many drones, but he tried. Oh nvm Lowko is already on it! Gr8 stuff
It seems like nerfs of the zerg finally caught up with pro scene once we finally got a terran that is good with Micro and actually uses full Terran kit. Can't wait to see baneling nerfed again next patch
at this point i don't even play this game anymore, if there are not major terran nerfs or some of the years of zerg nerfs reversed in the next season, alongside a fair map pool, i will be just one of the 70% of zergs who have quit the game fully in the last 2 years and i will go play one of the other rts that do not seem to be balanced purely by members of one race.
I have never experienced such trauma from watching my hero getting absolutely destroyed. It felt like watching god die, and I loved it. Is this how the swarm falls? Has blizzard finally succeeded in nerfing Zergral to the ground? God, I cried at the end, I love Serral
2:47 Journey before destination Ah, so your deep into the The Stormlight Archive. I started reading this when you brought it up in a cast a few months ago and it's one of my favorite book series of all time. Depending on how it ends, it might beat our Harry Potter, ASoIAF (NOT GoT), or maybe even TLoTR as my favorite book and series, but that's a tall order.
I JUST CLICKE DON UR CHANNEL TO SEE THE NEW CLEM VIDEO but found out u havent done one. I watched clem vs maxpax, finished it, NOW, 48 seconds later, u uploaded this, Thats synchronicity my friend. right place right timing. hahha
How he micros and hits banelings and snipes broodlords on 2 sides of the map simultaneously better than any Terran on a SINGLE front is literally advanced AI level play
I think Serral was more aggressive in the mid game in this series because in the first series he played against Clem in this tournament he was cutting corners and droning more but it bit him in the ass because Clem was pushing hard as a result.
Clem winning feels so great, man i love how he plays so crack, i used to be a Protoss player and because of Clem im a diamond 3 Terran now, so im so hype I hope for him to keep his foot on the gas.
I have to clarify i hold a lot of respect for serral too, he is the goat and also made me try Zerg but im plat 3 😔 maybe if Max pax gets into off line tournaments id try Protoss again.
Lowko you are really the best! Bro, is it possible to make length of videos like this fakely large? )) maybe with just dark screen one hour add on at the end :d cause I really got very badly spoiled when score was 4:0 and only 5 minuts were left till the end of the video :d please think about it, you are creative guy and I'm sure u can invent smart solution here! huge thanks from Georgia
YES! I was hoping for this series! I'm excited! Also, I called it, well I hoped, that the world cup would be a Bo9 instead of Bo7, due to the 9 maps. This is indeed a world cup championship series, Thnx! FIFA and COD at the same time as SC2? Interesting....... I was not expecting that outcome! although, I did get kind of spoiled, that I now realize was a spoil to this series.
Wow, what an amazing performance from Clem throughout the whole tournament. He deserved this win, his Terran is the best Terran I have ever seen. IMO in his hands Terran is almost unbeatable, because Terran combines everything you need in Starcraft: Bio-Terran has: - great mobility (medivacs) - insane DPS - great scouting tools with the reaper, the hellion and - of course - scans - low supply needed for a lot of dps (8 marines + medivac are only 10 army supply, but can deal huge amount of damage in short time) - high sustainability and regeneration (heal) - a perfect mix of high micro units (bio + medivac), combined with stuff that takes very little effort (mines + liberators), but that require a lot of attention from the opponent - none of his army becomes obsolete - marines are good early, mid and late game - compare that to roach/ravager which are just mid mid/lategame, so as Zerg you have to get rid of them. - Ghosts / Tanks / Libs and mines almost always guarantee you very good, very efficient trades - huge range (libs + tanks) - with the Ghost you counter almost every Zerg Unit: Ghost counter Ultras, Broodlords, Lurker and Hydras - and they do quite well against banes too - and even against zerglings they aren't bad. So they counter everything but do not get countered by anything. The only downside: Squishy. Bio Terran can get destroyed by AoE fast. But if you play as good as clem - and with the huge nerfs to banes + fungal - that just doesn't happen. And his stuff counters the AoE of the opponent very well: Banes + Infestors have been heavily nerfed. Marauders do very well against banes. Ghost do well against infestors. And against Toss it is even more heavy: Templar? NO chance against ghosts EMP (which btw reduce the HP of Toss armies by roughly 1/3 with 1 click!) The Colossi die against marauders and esp. vikings extremly fast Disruptors are great - if the Terran doesn't micro very good. Against Clem, the Disruptor does almost 0 damage. And on top of that the Terran has: - great map vision because of sensor towers - mid/late game almost unlimited Scans and this way he never has to go in unprepared and he always can check for burrowed threads - mules, which results in him needing at 15 workers less to mine the same. -> His army supply can be much bigger than the opponents and he still gets the same ressources - mules as a great comeback tool if he loses SCVs - SCVs are more resiliant to attacks than drones + probes. The Banshee 2-shots probes + drones. The Oracle 2-shots probes + drones. The SCV needs 3 hits. That is a HUGE difference, because a single oracle gets nothing done against terran. You have double the time to withdraw an SCV (it survies 2 shots compared to 1 shot like drone/probe) - Terran can wall off easily - High safety in the early game - Terran can play greedy. Or very safe. A banshee, a bunker - and there isn't much cheese the enemy can do. IF the Terran manages to micro his Bio-army like Clem, there is nothing that the other races can do against Terran. Because Terran is just perfect in everything, there isn't a single weakness. Well, despite bio being kind of squishy - but if you micro like Clem, this is not an issue. And that results in the perfect race that is in the hands of Clem in this shape and form unbeatable.
So basically, assuming if all 3 races played perfectly, Terran should win against everyone. Simply because they have more tools at their disposal. Kind of makes sense. I have always thought in competitive games, the person that throws the most determines the winner. So the winner is basically decided by who throws the least amount of times.
gotta agree with this but do mind that terran demands more APM than toss or zerg. proper targeting while also trying to dodge banes/puri nova/biles because, like you said, they are so squishy. clem being young can achieve the high APM demand of terran and he did in this tournament -- and not having to deal with any server lag/delays made him godly
Yo Lowko, an enjoyable cast as always. I always find myself coming back to your videos because of your *ahem*... professionalism. Any chance you'll be getting into Age of Mythology Retold when it releases?
Now Serral finally knows what it's like to play against Serral
I feel like Clem did a lot of preparation with playing in Korea and Serral is busy with military service so his training is probably limited.
@@tristantully1592 also doesn't help that they nerfed Zerg into the ground (basically because Serral is so good) so majority of pro Zerg players were forced to drop that faction entirely. Serral is one of the few who can overcome what majority of pros in the industry called a faction killing nerf. Now the Clem has had a similar run to Serral i wouldn't be surprised to see Terran get some nerfs in the not too distant future.
@@MCG55SS This balance philosophy baffles me a bit. Is it really worth it to balance the game around one guy?
@@Sir_Bucket funny because dark also got into the semis
Hahaha! This comment might be the best slap in _YEARS_! hahaha!
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"Welcome to the grand finals of this year's Starcraft 2 world championships!"
you know its a banger if thats the intro! 🔥
This tournament was epic. Shows SC2 is still strong.
60.8k peak live viewers. Not bad at all! That’s comparable to many of the “bigger” games out there.
Wish Lowko did some of the official casting
He'd have less material for his channel then!
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@@LowkoTV He meant, that you should do ALL the official casting of any Starcraft 2 tournament with a price pool bigger than 10k.
agreed Lowko is a natural. The official commentators were very bland!
@@WeItenspinner Would have loved to see him in the casters FFA as well
Clem is godlike... Just wiped the floor with Serral. This is unbelievable.. The fact Serral is in the military changes a lot but this is an outstanding achievement. Clem is at his best.
Clem sniping the first dropper lord really set the series' pace in Clem's favor.
Lmao 😂
25:36 those ghosts had their kerrigan moment
I was watching live and I thought the same 😂😂😂
Clem and MMM walks into a bar: There is no counter
deserves more likes.
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I love watching Lowko on youtube and that's where I'll stay. The twitch format gives me a literal headache. Thanks Lowko for putting your livestreams into this format for us!
Clem's last 3 series:
3-0 Serral
4-0 Hero
5-0 Serral
Wow.
only droped 2 maps to raynor in the whole tournament
GLORIOUS!!!! Nasty Zerg bugs!!
@@astrolux444 he’s the best marine medivac player ever
Problem is there reaches a micro point with marine medivac where they are essentially super cheap, super hyper mobile, super fast, super quickly produced, supported by tanks needing no siege upgrade, liberator, and cloaked widow mine…
…super carriers.
Not a coincidence this imbalance was put on display at such a big moment - one of the very few pro players in the world put in the micro training to take advantage of what is clearly an imbalance in the game.
If there were thousands of pros and more money in the last few years we’d have seen it sooner - everyone on the ladders, including teams, saw this coming though. We’ve all watched marines run as fast as mutas while shredding them or have 12 marines and a couple vacs absolutely crush a number of battle cruisers.
@@ShyBri41 You won't stop crying won't you ?
What's funny is that everything you're bringing forth (overly dominant player t-baggin opponents), Serral did it for the past 6 years, and you weren't complaining then.
Your bias is showing.
@@ZeAldhyr dude Serral got all of Zerg nerfed and I literally took no part in the convo I was busy.
This will get nerfed. For sure it’s gonna get nerfed somehow, just as Serral did
Thank goodness, I was afraid I'd have to watch another caster. Been excited for this for a long time!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@LowkoTV Sad to see Serral lose (he was my favorite) but it's awesome that you got to be the face of StarCraft for many who have never seen it before!
Great games, very enjoyable!
The micro of Clem... HOLY... The Changeling sniping, the splits the Medival pulls. What even am I watching. Wow.
I'm really looking forward to how this might push Serral to up his game even further. Can't wait to see both these guys at the next Major/Premier tourney. HerO too, dude played like an absolute boss.
Serral is in military service. What do you mean? 😅 He will just have more time eventually to play more. But he will also be older and age strucks really fast in skills
serral should just do what 80% of zerg players have now done since the 'imbalance council' had their way and say 'this game is broken and i quit'. like reynor does, just be honest about it.
2:15 Don't be modest, you are an expert. That's why we're all out here vibing your commentary. Much love from Zimbabwe.
The context story you give in Game 1 about Clem’s defense strategy was so cool to watch play out.
Yes, it was very rewarding to see the final again with more insight of what happen here, clem study serral very hard
Its still quite amazing that Serral manged to get to finals with less time for playing the game.
Congratulations to Clem!
Why less time?
@@paultvshow he currently serves his military service in finnland…maybe thought that it would be too easy for him if he had more training…altough a 5-0 swipe is crazy
I think Clem found the holy grail strategy for TvZ. Look how many queens he snipes, if he can snipe banes he will, hydras the same but when it's just lings and queens he focuses the queens - it really shows in the creep spread and it's way harder for Zerg to keep hatcheries high on drugs. Even in past games when Clem beat Serral I don't think I've ever seen him successfully and consistently limit the creep to basically just the Zerg bases. As Winter would say - a truly French, revolutionary idea.
zerg is literally micro limited class, there is no stuff to micro, there were infestors and they got nerfed to the ground. terran vs zerg is basically micro kill the banes and u outdps zerg by quadruple the amount, they just die
@@onetwo-gt2tr you can tell Serral is not at his prime . Its obvious he didnt train much for this tournament. Still get 150k lol
@@onetwo-gt2tr you gotta micro like 3 different casters as zerg to use effectively what are you talking about. Imagine microing queens to transfuze ultras and broodlords, infestors to fungal and mind control, vipers to yoink and blinding cloud on 3 different hot keys all in the same battle? Its so difficult we havent even seen it done effectively yet in a battle and if you think its been done provide the replay. Imagine adding lurkers to that whole bonanza to burrow in range and make use of their splash while keeping everything else going? If we got a clem level micro with serrall macro maybe wed see it but ive been watching sc2 for over a decade and never seen someone micro to that level.
Man Clem was a beast, we have a new final boss boys
Only if he is consistent
only if terran doesnt get balanced
Only until Serral finish he's military training
Masterful and overwhelming display of skill. Well deserved Clem, you earned it CHAMP !
Thanks for the cast. Your analysis is way better than the live broadcast IMO (arguably you had time to think about it, but still)
I don't even play Starcraft (was into it back in the early 2000s) but I've been watching your streams for years. You've done amazing things for the community, Lowko. Definitely don't sell yourself short. The community wouldn't be as good without you. You and Artosis have really brought RTS to the masses.
Insane micro. The height that Terran can reach with Clem's skill is ABSURD.
Not absurd. Unbalanced.
Combine super cheaply mass producible easily upgradable hyper mobile marines shooting up and sideways as fast as flying mutas when stimmed with super fast instant pick up drop ships that heal and producible 2 at a time out of reactors?
What you get is a combination whose Dominicance is only limited by a players micro, and Clem is showing everyone who wants to go high in pro how to do it. Because Marine medivac never loses - only ones micro does. So, master the micro, and you’ll make serral look like a newb.
It’s clearly a balance issue that Clem is the first to really put on display and unfortunately happened at a huge world championship that made these games absolutely horrible to watch cause all serious StarCraft people saw what was going on
@@ShyBri41 The thing that's struck me over the past couple of years watching the pro scene is that Zerg is now expected to be the "roll with the punches and turtle until early mid-game" race, but then they don't really have as good of a late game ability due to the poor trading of units. The balance with Zerg has clearly been cut too fine due to Serral's dominance. If defense isn't letter perfect against such micro, you just lose straight out of the gate.
@@ShyBri41 maybe serral should just learn the matchup. maybe serral should study his opponent. maybe serrall... etc etc etc. All excuses i heard for serral dominating other players. Serral got his ass handed to him by somebody who studied his play and learned to read him like a book. clem still loses plenty of games to other players. Get over it, clem earned this not becuase TeRaN oP, he earned this through serral playing the exact same way he always does and getting hard countered. He earned this by playing like an absolute boss. serral fanboys get rekt, new goat in town.
@@ShyBri41 I don't entirely agree because Clem is the ONLY one who can do that to Serral in Terran. All the other top Terran players like Maru have been destroyed by Serral (Maru has lost 2 times 4-0 to Serral in the grand final in the last 2 LANs).
And to be honest I didn't find Serral very good in this Grand Final (mentally he wasn't conquering as usual), not very creative, rather fearful, almost always at home and so Serral has to find a new strategy against him.
Or maybe Clem has simply become too fast and too strong for him. The only ones who can keep up with him are Reynor, who took 2 games from him, and Maxpax.
And don't forget that Serral doesn't play as much as he used to and is older than Clem, all of which plays into the equation.
I thinck before crying unbalance, it's important to remember that Serral has more than once spanked top players too, and nobody said that Zerg was cheat. As far as I'm concerned, even if playing Terran at Clem's level seems extremely strong, you have to remember that it's also EXTREMELY hard to play at that level, and that Clem at the moment is just about the undisputed best.
@@deko8295 lol serral is 26 so the age argument is just nonsense
If Serral can be solely responsible for numerous Zerg nerfs, maybe it's Clem's turn.
EDIT: to be clear, I mostly meant this as a joke since Lowko often has commented how Serral was responsible for multiple Zerg nerfs.
i don't think. The top 4 was composed of 2 zerg (Dark and Serral), one Terran (Clem) and one Protoss (Her0) It's was pretty even qualification. Clem and Serral are just 2 monster. And by the wat Retnnor was close to beat clem (3:2)
You mean like the Widow Mine/Ghist/Cyclone and Lib nerfs this patch?
You mean like that?
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 oh, that is nothing. Just wait and see finally the deserved nerf that terran need. The cost efficency of MMM or ghosts are absurd...and Clem, just like Serral did, will be responsable to a lot of balance patch that will nerf this ( probably the first one will be mines, but we will see).
i hope they never actually did any of that. making balance changes around just one player would be the dumbest shit ever
@@TheFreezom89 You're an idiot
in game 3...the way he kills the third base expansion drone...just waiting for Serral to get to it..after 3 attempts....GENIOUS
Wow, that Clem guy beat Serral. I think he could be a very good Starcraft 2 player some day.
He definitely shows a promise.
Thanks for the video, Lowko. So happy that you are back from the event. This was a VERY impressive Finals to watch. Thanks for casting it! ❤
Been waiting for this one. Thank you for the quality work as always Mr. Lowko!
"Journey before Destination"
Always love the reference!
Was that a Stormlight Ref??
Life before Death
Strength before weakness
Haven't watched Serral being destroyed in this way never. Congrats to Clem!
Only time i remember. Has a new tag now. Ragnarok for a couple of premiere tournaments was known as yhe serral sniper. That stopped when basilisk picked up raynor and serral. No pro zerg in Europe would practice with him.
Hey lowko, just recently found your channel and I'm loving it so far. I used to watch starcraft all the time when husky was a commentator still. Once he stopped so did I. All that to say you are the first person I've enjoyed listening to since husky so thank you!
First off...kudos to Clem for a SUPER on-point series of Starcraft play! He was on fire that whole time! Really shows how the practice he's been putting in has paid off imo! I was actually really impressed that Serral was put on the back-foot so hard! I don't think I've seen a game or series where he struggled that badly. No doubts he still did what he could and he played very impressively. Lots of variables could be considered as to what affected overall gameplay...but...not my place, ultimately as a fan; I want to express a massive kudos to both Clem & Serral for an amazing set of games, congratulate Clem on the win and wish both players well! Thank you Lowko for casting this! I do really enjoy your channel and your casts! My life for Auir!
So competitive cod player here who also absolutely loves RTS games even more the cod. I love the way you talk about the gentlemen agreements in cod weapons and or snaking or equipment because my background in high level rts (supcom2 console and also aoe2 on pc) we never had that. It was everything in the game is completely fair and whatever it takes to win is just part of it. Cod players that play for money are incredibly different people and I feel like I’m one of the few who love both genres and played one at a very high level and the other at a competitive level it kinda makes me laugh when both different genres look at the weirdness in each others competitive scene! I love both a lot and this is my first time delving into StarCraft and it looks amazing! Great casting!
Serral completelly gave up with 8k minerals and 3k gas in the bank. He never looked so hopeless. I did believe he will reverse it though, but to lose 5:0, before lossing 3:0, all I have to say is congrats Clem!
He didn’t completely give up he ran out of larvae. Literally couldn’t do anything with the money
@@Pleasers I see. Good catch. So Clem kept him so bussy he could not concentrate on injects. Wow.
@@Pleasers which again is crazy. Pressuring Serral so hard he runs out of larvae is crazy
can you at least mark your comment as a massive fucking spoiler????
@@ErenisRanitos if you look at the comments of the videos you are subjecting yourself to spoilers. just dont look
Ghost snipe nerf is long overdue. Its beyond ridiculous how hard it counters everything against all other races.
Thats the only balance issue id agree with, ghost do need more work but the problem is the late game is balance on top of the ghost if you kill the ghost then Terran has nothing for late game, mech whitout ghost is trash and bio is even more trash and air is just not it. It sucks that late game depends only on one unit which is only counter by lower tier cheap units or insane micro and spell casters traps.
@@unclefine This is indeed a problem. Nerf the ghost, then Terran have nothing on late game. How the balance team trapped themselves on this is a mistery.
ghost needs a snipe size nerf ive been saying it forever. The larger the unit the weaker the snipe should be. It makes sense vs casters. It doesnt make sense vs ultralisks. Same thing should be applied to the viper yanking motherships with abduct. Should take like 4 vipers to yoink a mothership or 3 for a carrier.
Edit: I see alot of people saying what would happen if you nerfed the ghost to terran's late game. I think a small nerf like i proposed would adjust the role of the ghost considerably so its not built en masse like it is now for the snipe ability.
@@xv9021 it's reasonable, but if the ghost can't deal whit ultralisks, then what? And if the nerft doesn't change the interaction then is meaningless, maybe the cost efficiency? It's hard man
@@unclefine Early in sc2 idra tried to mass ultras against maru. Maru made marauders and thors and absolutely rofl stomped him, only for idra to cry "imba" over tournament game chat. This was so long ago Day9 was the one casting the replay before his fall from grace. Point being you have late game thors to deal with broods and ultras, and they are not as ubiquitous and cheap as ghosts.
that's what we called a curb stomp back in the day....glad Serrall got some of what he dished out to Maru earlier this year....just like Serrall...Clem's game when he's at his best is unbeatable
Watched this live but curious about your comments so watching again.
X2
Clem went on from an average pro Terran player to become someone Serral actually struggles with! Never will I thought this day will come as I actually think Maru will take that from Serral back then.
Well done Clem!
Hopefully, when Serrals military service is over and he has again more time to practice, he can climb back to the top. After all what really hurt him here the most was that he couldnt keep up with Clems incredible speed. And to get there you need to train *a lot*
Honestly, Serral looked so stressed and out of it from the first round. Not gaming wise, just him being on that stage. I hope he is well, doesn't matter if he wins. or loses, he will always be the goat.
Im sure he's fine with his 150k $. Dont worry about him ; - )
@@michawiercinski926 yeah because money really matters when comes to mental health right? Oh wait, it doesn't 😊
@@Kazuhiro-i It'd certainly help me a lot. Spoken like someone who's never failed to make rent, lived without health insurance, and been unable to afford therapy. Those things have been terrible for my mental health. Especially the inability to afford medicine that I relied upon for over a decade, for mental health issues.
Turns out, money matters a lot when you don't have enough. My landlord who's made me go two months without a working washing machine because she's too busy using my money to vacation in greece to replace it can wipe her tears with the cash she extorts from me - or blow it out her ass, for all I care. She can certainly afford to get help for whatever upsets *her*.
@@Kazuhiro-i It sure does help a lot though.
@@Kazuhiro-i Unless wasted, money does give a degree of stability.
If you have mental issues it won't magically heal you; but at least is one thing you don't have to worry about.
But yes, rich people can go through bad mental illnesses like the rest. It's still one thing that does not add to the pile.
In my mind its like "yeah SC2 came out like 5 years ago" and then Lowko "It's still fun to see that after 14 years of starcraft, a ton of people still join in to watch"
Magnificent games. Finally we get one more GOAT to be!!! Crazy stuff. GG Clem :)
Clem played some of the best SC2 I've ever seen in this series.
HOLY. I remember you had another series of Clem v Serral before where Clem overwhelmed Serral.
Now he's done it again! Clem's THE big man now
Damn! How is this even possible to be this good?
It's on the internet --
Just gotta learn how to maintain 800+ meaningful apm. Which is different than regular apm.
16k vs 36k, Lowko: Almost twice :D
Le niveau de Clem sur cette finale... impressionnant
Honestly, I think Starcraft would continue to be great with more intentional casting and explanation like Lowko was describing.
From a spectator perspective, the mix of skirmish and big picture strategy keeps it intriguing - it can just be overwhelming if you don't play the game.
Excellent work as ambassador for the game!
the thing i like about bo9 is the dragonball aspect, where you can slowly build effort to surprise the oponent
Seeing Clem vs Serral is like THE games that you absolutly need to watch every time
Hey Lowko, would you please show a little bit more of the Terran bases in future casts, specifically the main base? I ask because I like to see the exact switcherus between the barracks, factories and starports etc. . That way it's easier to copy build orders from the best players. Obviously you gotta show the shenanigans that are happening at the front but it in between there's quite some time, to show the structures setup of the players.
This was the third time I watched these finals all the way through. Just such an impressive performance that I can't get over it
I love your work Lowko, thank you for everything you do for the SC2 scene. It wouldnt be the same without you.
I’ve seen the main cast in EWC for this match up but I went here to just hear another analysis of it. 🙌🏼 Lowko
Good game. They both played well with huge step up with clems game play. Thanks lowko
1:01:43 We have seen at the tournament, that Solar also tried this drone evacuation trick against I believe Maru. He didn't really escape with many drones, but he tried.
Oh nvm Lowko is already on it! Gr8 stuff
I hope Bryan makes some special guest entrances in future casts!
Lovely Finals 😍
It doesn't matter how many new RTS we will take, Starcraft 2 is always in our hearts thanks to these kind of battles. That's why we all love this game
@LowkoTV thank you Mr StarCraft Guy for not spoiling the match through the title and thumbnail like my other favorite sc2 RUclips man 👍
If Serral isn't the general of the Finnish military than that is a massive missed opportunity!
World peace in 1 day
It seems like nerfs of the zerg finally caught up with pro scene once we finally got a terran that is good with Micro and actually uses full Terran kit.
Can't wait to see baneling nerfed again next patch
at this point i don't even play this game anymore, if there are not major terran nerfs or some of the years of zerg nerfs reversed in the next season, alongside a fair map pool, i will be just one of the 70% of zergs who have quit the game fully in the last 2 years and i will go play one of the other rts that do not seem to be balanced purely by members of one race.
The face cam of this match is rather insane. Serral lost it on the end of the match.
2:21
Lowko carefully navigating the
"not get roasted by Harstem" minefield his career is.
oh come on LowMax, sure your an SC2 PaxPert :D
I have never experienced such trauma from watching my hero getting absolutely destroyed. It felt like watching god die, and I loved it.
Is this how the swarm falls? Has blizzard finally succeeded in nerfing Zergral to the ground?
God, I cried at the end, I love Serral
Thanks lowko,waited not too long for this recap🎉
Thank you Lowko for the cast! Gz Clem!
2:47 Journey before destination
Ah, so your deep into the The Stormlight Archive.
I started reading this when you brought it up in a cast a few months ago and it's one of my favorite book series of all time. Depending on how it ends, it might beat our Harry Potter, ASoIAF (NOT GoT), or maybe even TLoTR as my favorite book and series, but that's a tall order.
14:06 I reckon this Serral guy is pretty good at the game too
I JUST CLICKE DON UR CHANNEL TO SEE THE NEW CLEM VIDEO but found out u havent done one. I watched clem vs maxpax, finished it, NOW, 48 seconds later, u uploaded this, Thats synchronicity my friend. right place right timing. hahha
LowkoTV, cool video keep up the amazing content
Suddenly Max being able to win against Clem is looking much more impressive
i've been cheering for clem since the start of the video... I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED
it is unbelievable how serral lost a match 5-0. this day will be remembered forever.
Finally! Time to watch the finals! At...3:42 in the morning, while I should get some sleep. Ah, just one game...maybe two...
Love ur vids
Incredible skill at display. Man i love this game
Seeing Serral dominated is insane, amazing game by clem.
The siege tank placement from Clem 10/10.
I'd love to hear from Lowko the story where larva come from.
How he micros and hits banelings and snipes broodlords on 2 sides of the map simultaneously better than any Terran on a SINGLE front is literally advanced AI level play
this was the 1st tournament i've watched live and was hoping you'd be one of the casters for sc2 XD maybe in the future? can we petition that?!
This was A LOT OF preparation!!! Still 8-0 is crazy
Well so much for the guessing board, it's insane how many people zeroing one another over and over again, that never happens in the ordinary sports
I think Serral was more aggressive in the mid game in this series because in the first series he played against Clem in this tournament he was cutting corners and droning more but it bit him in the ass because Clem was pushing hard as a result.
Clem winning feels so great, man i love how he plays so crack, i used to be a Protoss player and because of Clem im a diamond 3 Terran now, so im so hype I hope for him to keep his foot on the gas.
I have to clarify i hold a lot of respect for serral too, he is the goat and also made me try Zerg but im plat 3 😔 maybe if Max pax gets into off line tournaments id try Protoss again.
Seeing both their APM make my hand cramp. 😄
Clem took away Serral's breathing space and look what happened. Serral's been outZerged
Lowko you are really the best! Bro, is it possible to make length of videos like this fakely large? )) maybe with just dark screen one hour add on at the end :d cause I really got very badly spoiled when score was 4:0 and only 5 minuts were left till the end of the video :d please think about it, you are creative guy and I'm sure u can invent smart solution here! huge thanks from Georgia
YES! I was hoping for this series! I'm excited!
Also, I called it, well I hoped, that the world cup would be a Bo9 instead of Bo7, due to the 9 maps.
This is indeed a world cup championship series, Thnx!
FIFA and COD at the same time as SC2? Interesting.......
I was not expecting that outcome! although, I did get kind of spoiled, that I now realize was a spoil to this series.
5-0 over serral is beyond nuts
Wow, what an amazing performance from Clem throughout the whole tournament.
He deserved this win, his Terran is the best Terran I have ever seen.
IMO in his hands Terran is almost unbeatable, because Terran combines everything you need in Starcraft:
Bio-Terran has:
- great mobility (medivacs)
- insane DPS
- great scouting tools with the reaper, the hellion and - of course - scans
- low supply needed for a lot of dps (8 marines + medivac are only 10 army supply, but can deal huge amount of damage in short time)
- high sustainability and regeneration (heal)
- a perfect mix of high micro units (bio + medivac), combined with stuff that takes very little effort (mines + liberators), but that require a lot of attention from the opponent
- none of his army becomes obsolete - marines are good early, mid and late game - compare that to roach/ravager which are just mid mid/lategame, so as Zerg you have to get rid of them.
- Ghosts / Tanks / Libs and mines almost always guarantee you very good, very efficient trades
- huge range (libs + tanks)
- with the Ghost you counter almost every Zerg Unit: Ghost counter Ultras, Broodlords, Lurker and Hydras - and they do quite well against banes too - and even against zerglings they aren't bad. So they counter everything but do not get countered by anything.
The only downside: Squishy. Bio Terran can get destroyed by AoE fast.
But if you play as good as clem - and with the huge nerfs to banes + fungal - that just doesn't happen.
And his stuff counters the AoE of the opponent very well:
Banes + Infestors have been heavily nerfed. Marauders do very well against banes. Ghost do well against infestors.
And against Toss it is even more heavy: Templar? NO chance against ghosts EMP (which btw reduce the HP of Toss armies by roughly 1/3 with 1 click!)
The Colossi die against marauders and esp. vikings extremly fast
Disruptors are great - if the Terran doesn't micro very good. Against Clem, the Disruptor does almost 0 damage.
And on top of that the Terran has:
- great map vision because of sensor towers
- mid/late game almost unlimited Scans and this way he never has to go in unprepared and he always can check for burrowed threads
- mules, which results in him needing at 15 workers less to mine the same. -> His army supply can be much bigger than the opponents and he still gets the same ressources
- mules as a great comeback tool if he loses SCVs
- SCVs are more resiliant to attacks than drones + probes. The Banshee 2-shots probes + drones. The Oracle 2-shots probes + drones. The SCV needs 3 hits. That is a HUGE difference, because a single oracle gets nothing done against terran. You have double the time to withdraw an SCV (it survies 2 shots compared to 1 shot like drone/probe)
- Terran can wall off easily
- High safety in the early game - Terran can play greedy. Or very safe. A banshee, a bunker - and there isn't much cheese the enemy can do.
IF the Terran manages to micro his Bio-army like Clem, there is nothing that the other races can do against Terran.
Because Terran is just perfect in everything, there isn't a single weakness.
Well, despite bio being kind of squishy - but if you micro like Clem, this is not an issue.
And that results in the perfect race that is in the hands of Clem in this shape and form unbeatable.
So basically, assuming if all 3 races played perfectly, Terran should win against everyone. Simply because they have more tools at their disposal. Kind of makes sense. I have always thought in competitive games, the person that throws the most determines the winner. So the winner is basically decided by who throws the least amount of times.
gotta agree with this but do mind that terran demands more APM than toss or zerg.
proper targeting while also trying to dodge banes/puri nova/biles because, like you said, they are so squishy.
clem being young can achieve the high APM demand of terran and he did in this tournament -- and not having to deal with any server lag/delays made him godly
Just play as clem 😂
Lowko commenting: a level never seen before in SC2.
Good luck achieving that
😂😂😂
Yo Lowko, an enjoyable cast as always. I always find myself coming back to your videos because of your *ahem*... professionalism. Any chance you'll be getting into Age of Mythology Retold when it releases?
"He can smell Brenda from a mile away" - careful there, man 😅 You're on the edge of being mysogynic 😂
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@@Kazuhiro-i A joke. A bad one, but a joke nonetheless.
Watched this live. Poor Seral. Looked so frustraded.
when the cheap af bane nukes don't do anything and you only use 1 backdoor infestor instead of two...well...lets just say the old op tricks are gone
@@cavemanteroest a dick, terran is op as fuck with mules, ghosts, planetaries, liberators
I'd be too
You are my starcraft expert :)
Perfect game of 5 matches.. amazing.
Serral: I'm going to another PERFECT defence and macro
Clem: No I'm going to do the PERFECT harass and micro
😂
I can't believe what I just watched!
you should have should shown how Serral looks like while Clem is attacking
Wait, was that Stormlight reference at around 3:00 ?
Holy shit that was a masterclass. Really impressed