even if you dont look at combat, this ship is absolutely stunning. i fly hornets everyday, but i always felt while they were dope they seemed less modern as compared to other ships in the game. but the mk2.... oh the mk2 is sleek, its sexy, it sounds dope.... thank you cig
The cinematography in the intro was amazing! Whoever did the trailing and recording knew what they were doing, big kudos to them! Keep up the good work ^^
Visually the only think i don't like about the MkII is that the weapons under the wings look like their attacgment points are very flimsy for the size of guns, however that is more an issue with how CIG designs their weapons; favouring spindly over bulky, i remember the old gattpling guns you got on the hornes and how they looks more satisfying in how they were attached to the ship. Edit: Oh yeah, and i feel like i'm flying a Viper from Battlestar Galactica when i'm flying the MkII, F The Hell Yes!
The whole problem with the idea of medium fighters as multirole fighters is that there is no real multirole mission separation. The same guns and missiles you would use in a dogfight vs another fighter you can also use to attack ground targets. Where as in the real world an F-18 or F-16 needs to swap out air to air missiles for bombs or air to ground missiles. If the multirole aspect comes from the S4 hardpoint, well the Hornet MK2 is the only medium fighter with that size hardpoint so it would be the only multirole fighter. If you want to give all the fighters in the game a real place then you need to change up some ship stat parameters and what their mission design is. First thing would be to merge light fighters and interceptors into one class and give it the mission of defense/enemy interception. They should have their own unique quantum drive that is short range but high speed, so you reach the intercept point asap. In SCM the ship is either slower but good turn (eg the Arrow) or fast but poor turn rate (eg Hurricane). Certain ships would be better suited to deal with bombers (Hurricane) or other medium sized attackers and others better at dogfighting (Arrow). Common trait is short quantum and SCM range. The job is to intercept an attacker not to escort an attack force any distance. Medium fighters are the dogfighting escorts. They have better range, armor/shields, the dont turn as well as an Arrow/Gladius but are harder to kill. They are the ship that would be the chief escort choice for a convoy or attack force that has to go a good distance, but isnt going to be logging out and finishing up the run the next day. Or if you needed escorts for a Tali bomber group that was attacking an Idris a system or two away. Heavy fighters are for going after bigger targets like medium ships and above or other heavy fighters. These are the ships you have hunting down a raiding party that is prowling around and going after your assets, or a Carrack needs an escort and it would likely only encounter other heavy fighters or bigger. They should all have beds as they are the ones that would be out if the mission was going to take multiple play sessions. So Lights would be: Anti-fighter: Arrow, Gladius, Talon, Khartu al, Buccaneer Anti-bomber: Hurricane, Scorpio, Talon Strike Mediums would be: Hornet, Saber, Defender, F8, Santokyia Heavy fighters are: Vanguard, and any new ship. Ares I would consider a heavy fighter/bomber hybrid and it should be tuned around killing medium ships and above. I didnt list Freelancer, Spirit or Cutlass due to them being a combat/cargo hybrid. I have heard rumors about two new ships that could be heavy fighters getting added this year, so depending on their loadout they could be heavy or medium fighters. I would say they should be made into heavy, since that category is pretty slim for ship choices.
I think that is very much the case regarding the Defender. The labeling of medium fighters as the multi-role didn't quite make sense to me at first. Though on reflection I could see the argument. But when you look at the hornet mark 2, it starts to make a bit more sense especially when you are able to up or down gun the ship as much as you are with the Mark 2. An example of a loadout exaggerated to make the point would be a triple size four quipped hornet Mark II. Be it ADBs, ballistic cannons or laser of the same. That same ship could also be completely fitted with laser repeaters for anti fighter. Or it could be rigged somewhere in the middle with a mixture of dual AD4s and 3 laser cannons. @@dgc2540
@@gyratingwolpertiger6851In that regard though every fighter in the game is a multirole fighter. Every fighter can equip every gun type that comes in that hardpoint size, and since both light and medium fighters both have S3 hardpoints they can all carry any S3 gun available. The same with missiles, just that medium fighters tend to be able to carry more.
I could really see in your stream yesterday how much fun you had flying and testing the mk2. It was really enjoyable, watching skilled pilots testing different ships against each other . I could get mine as well. This ship is not only beautiful but it flies like a charm. Thank you Av1.
Something that I have found out with time is that just like in real life with performance-oriented cars and bikes and stuff, it is really important to have that connection with the ship, to feel it as an extension to yourself, your input and expectations of what it should fly like. This does it for me. The dialed down main thruster makes it fly that much better...maybe not better but balanced is a better word. The size 4 hardpoints are great compensation for that reduced main thruster grunt and the sleeker looks and cool paint are simply the icing on the cake. I also own the Ghost and while I've mostly enjoyed flying it, this feels...just right. Another example: I've been flying around GrimHex a lot lately, doing PvP in snubs and while the Fury may be better on paper or in someone else's hands, the P72 Archimedes flies and performs exactly how I expect it to and I am therefore substantially better with it than the Fury. It feels that much more direct and nimble, even if it probably really isn't.
@@Vioblight Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking quad energy for turret and nose and ballsitics on the wings. Might extend energy while still having ballistics for if the shields get low and/or just extra plink.
Avenger one, I feel like you should definitely try more mixed loadouts. Since the F7C MK2 has larger weapons, there is an even bigger incentive at using mixed loadouts. I personally find it works best with two S4 basllistic gatlings on the wings. That way you the longer energy salvos will definitely help keep your damages up.
what about the capacitors? cuz if you only have 10 bullets it will be kinda pointless to have the extra fire power in an arcade game that takes a lot of hits to kill someone lol
@@LunaStarFire yeah but what i mean is, would the extra S3 weapons on the A reduce the mag size (for energy weapons) to a point that it will feel like lacking stamina because of to small mags
@@InTVS well with current MM joisting seems to be more of a priority, so sustained damage isnt that high on the list, so either way you are likely to see an improvement with the s3 but theres basically a skill to damage profile per person where they need to see if they are out of charge on their guns when they are lined up, if so you likely want more ballistics.
full potential on loadout, at least or now if you had the better looking mk2 nose turret from Arlington before patch, that now is called "Anvil F7A MKII nose turret" when tractor beamed. It can now hold 2 size 3s so if it is still on your MK1 murder hornet you can upgrade by hand to 6xS3 guns now But you can't attach turrets by hand anymore so no duping or moving by hand and when removed in vehicle loadout it becomes a placeholder icon in the station local
So it is now impossible to get the load-out he is using unless you had it saved on an Mk1 before the patch? Are we stuck with the 160f ball turret then?
This ship is just gorgeous. Pure eye candy. On top of that, I just love the way it handles. I'll withhold any judgements about performance until after we get MM.
i said a few months ago in a comment on one of your videos when the f8 came out that if i where given the choice i'd take an f7a over the f8 for my sq42 completion reward, and that's still true, but now that they've given me the option I inta bought myself the mkII f7c. I've loved the design ever since i started playin in '16, and i don't particularly care how good it is or isnt lol
I think f8 is a good counter ship to a hornet in a 1v1 but the power of the Hornets in Live is the ability to have acceleration authority and pair up on lone targets quicker than other combinations of ships.
this is not military variant mate... nose gun mount you have clearly from mk.1 and turret too... that means you have 2x S4, 4x S2 but military hornet Mk.II has 2x S4, 4x S3! plus missile rack is one Size up too..
I so rarely see you fire a missile that I was stunned when you did it to the F8. F7A and F8C... Both badasses are gonna sit in my stable right along with the Arrow. Sure, they'll all be hangar queens cuz I'm gonna be chilling out in my BMM mosto f the time, but yeah.
You have to buy the new F7C MKII from the store. Then play this rare event that’s going until May. I couldn’t grab the mission for 2 hours today, maybe others will share or group if they get it. Anyways at the end it starts to set up the future Xenothreat battle and we get a token to upgrade F7C2 to the F7A2…. Which has to much firepower in my opinion, things a godamn solo pilot Hurricane… but more mobile…
Dude I really respect your stuff. Your prob the only reason I have kept the faith about this game. I backed it back in 2014, and well its been a long road. Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!
The MK1 and MK2 were always meant to coexist. There is no garbage state just because a newer version is out. What exactly even is the garbage state, I'm pretty sure it was fine before this came out. @@aerouant7685
I don't think it'll happen. In Lore the Gladius is on its way out of UEE Naval service, being replaced by the Arrow F7C MK2. Plus the Gladius is Gold Standard.
Wait I just realized does the F7A have the same fire power as a hurricane but for one pilot and a lighter more maneuverable class medium instead of heavy fighter. :o
So, it will lose more often than not to light and heavy fighters unless you outnumber them? It kind of sounds like it sucks. At the very least, it shouldn't lose it's firepower the moment the shields go down.
They could so easily put the shield numbers on the self status MFD screen to eliminate that useless shield MFD. The standard should obviously be 2 screens, self status and opponent status.
just a problem with one of your analogy, the F16 is not equivalent to a light fighter, it stopped being a light fighter long long ago in the same way the F/A-18 did, both of which were products of the lightweight fighter program, and both of which stopped being light fighters when their mass was drastically inflated from when they only had a gun and 2 ATA missiles during development and were pure ATA fighters when when they became multi-role fighters, which was the only way the USAF and USN would accept them into service, which did see drastic empty weight and MTOW increases and number of pylons and systems for their mixed ATG and ATA roles.
Good to see that CIG has again introduced a meta to increase sales. Wonder how this will be nerfed. Or will the Ares remain as the only mega nerfed ship? Really hoping to one day be able to change it into a heavy that has an interior like the vanguard, but I dislike everything about the vanguard series. I know you have spoken about how master modes will change the combat, but have you done a video trying to simulate how it will work? I think it could be a cool video to see how an SCM limited combat would work and how you would need to deactivate everything to go above SCM to reset the fight.
yeah i haven't watched a dogfight in a while, this was lame, just constant disengaging. Though i personally would have preferred some kind of snare instead of MM.
@@moonashaLarger ships should have this feature to slow the enemy. I think that proximity detonation ammo against fighters will definitely slow them down.
@@tylergood8235Maybe now we will have a reason to bring a bigger fighter ship like the Redeemer. More of a Tank. We need more kinds of effecting the fights. Electronic Counter Measures, Hacking, Jamming, Different Ammo Types and the like. All balanced around the idea of Upgrade = Good. More People = Good. Just like a WOW battleground, You get caught alone against 3 Players, You die probably. I'm guessing your faction status will reduce the cost for your insurance to cover you. Maybe even a contract with shippers insurance. CIG should just be an insurance company lol.
Well I'm about a month late, but better late than never. Thank you for the video. I recently started playing SC again after a 5ish month break. I'm not very good at dogfighting and piloting in general, but I love the way the MK2 looks. SO much sleeker than the Mk1. Ofc the game loops I maining do are PvE fps, some salvage, and some of the bounty missions. Still it's a very nice ship to fly. Also, you mention and compared the MK2 to the F-18. In your opinion, do we have something like the F 15 ingame yet?
Thanks for the expert showcase A1. Always a pleasure. What would you think of the ballistics? I've found recently that the cannons are extremely deadly. Leave the rhinos and have 4 Deadbolt III's. Thoughts?
The F7C MkII seems to perform oddly in atmosphere. I kind of feel it needs to be flown like a real aircraft in a gravity well. Do you have any thoughts on that?
It might have the new gravity meshing connected to it or it’s heavier because of all the guns. Maybe it was designed for the upcoming master modes. Just speculation
Not entirely sure as no one has been able to confirm or deny... Murder hornet may be dead after the next wipe, since the mk2 released i have not been able to move the m7a mk1 bubble turret onto the f7c. I cant even remove it from my ghost (which was outfitted prior to the mk2 release) and then out it back in. It appears as though the widened the base of the ball turret just enough to prevent it from connecting... The nose turret is still functional, so we do at least still get 4 s2 and 2 s3 for the mk1. And 4 s2 and 2 s4 for the mk2
I'd love a video actually showing you getting the f7a turret on. Like I said I haven't actually seen anyone getting it in. And I can't even get my ghost to take it back after removal
Why not use ballistics? The whole advantage to the size 4 is it has enough ammo capacity to actually fight. Also, the ship feels like a brick in atmosphere.
if you are talking about the AD4bs the velocity of the projectiles are too slow, you won't be able to hit anything in PVP that's why they use repeaters over cannons for PVP. The ballistic repeaters don't have enough ammo to win more than a fight and that's when you can hit all your shots which you wont be able to against good pilots.
I think ballistics are getting for ammo soon, I’ve never had issues landing ballistics and prefer them. However I’m not an amazing pilot and mostly fight not amazing pilots.
the avanger loadout: 2x S4 2x S3 2x S2 & 1x S1 Powerplant F7A MK II loadout: 2x S4 2x S3 2x S3 & 1x S2 Powerplant So the F7A MK II is still superior in firepower to the F7C MK II. But it looses 10% scm speed which i cant quantify
I feel like i am just waking up to how difficult the flight model is... You guys are circling one another at 200m going 500m/s..... So one wrong move and in half a second you crash or they push past you? 😅
At least until the nose up/down crap kicks in. And then it flies like absolute trash. The flight characteristics on the Mk2 are... incomplete... to be polite. I will be super interested to see how it shapes up in MM. Especially the F7A Mk2 with all that firepower. Of course, until we get maelstrom/armor and atmo control surfaces, balance will continue to be an evolution on temporary efforts.
Once its upgraded to the MK2 F7A and its then 4 s3s and 2S4s with a medium power plant behind them, there isn’t a lot that’s going to stand in its way.
I’m first cause I’m cool like that! F7C MK II is everything I dreamed it would be, I can’t wait to get some more time behind the stick on this ship. I obviously kept my MK I Ghost as well though, it’s my first love. 😅
i don't really get why they made another variant when the OG Hornet is in gold standard... could almost have been an upgrade token for MK1 civilian hornets, to be "Military". imo OG Super Hornets should have been a 2 person MK2 in the first place, with an upgrade for OG Hornet and no paywall variant, basically... really just comes off as a bit of a cash grab aimed at PvP meta-pilots and ship collectors sadly... i played a "free to play" shooter awhile back that started making $40USD MK1 and then MK2 weapon packages each month. as new players came in buying the newest/strongest, the older players got mad that the meta things they paid for weren't meta anymore and non-pay players were just target practice never being able to keep up to the monthly TTK reducers with in-game Exp. not to mention the really old players just got mad that TTK went from mistake forgiving to insta-death. died out for obvious reasons.
Wait a second, that's a murder hornet. How did you manage to have the turrets stick? I have one left over from the old mission but it won't save to the ship when I equip it. I agree it's beautiful to fly and to look at, except in atmosphere.
excelent showcase of new ship, what I'm confused is, will there be a place in squadron for MK1 or will it be completely replaced with this MK2, I was able to see role difference between F7C and F8C but this MK2 seems like a ship that made previews hornet+Superhornet obsolete or I'm missing something?
I like this ship for the way it handles, its responsive enough, the guns are great. I think this ship in the future will be The Best dog fighter you could want.....
A1, I'm just starting to get into pvp after years of being a cargo hauler. What my biggest question right now is actually on the choise of Lag Pip vs. Lead Pip. I saw in your recent interview with Space Tomato and Yogi, you had briefly expressed your absolute preference for Lag Pip and I see in your video that is in fact what you are using. Can you tell me why you make this choise? What the benits are? Pros and cons of each? To me, it seems, the Lead Pip is more "telling" of the targets movements. Wouldn't this be important information to have in combat? Honest question. Im absolutely not an expert on this 😅
I hope you get a better answer than this. Its just my limited experience in combat. Lead pip requires to focus more on an icon on your HUD. And offers better tracking of your target. Within limits. The lag pip requires you to focus on your target more. But once your target leaves your view out of the visual space (cockpit glass) its hard to put the pip on target. If you can get good enough to keep your target in view, than lag is a good way to go.
I'm currently feeling out the difference between the Hornet Mk2 and the Saber. I've never really liked light fighters, they feel too much like the little kids running around in CoD with a submachine gun after a hit of Adderall. I'm more of a lay a claymore, huck grenades and laugh while they sprint into a belt-fed machine-gun kind of guy. In other words, I'm old and don't have the patience for foolishness. So far, I really love the feel of the Mk2, but probably because it reminds me of the Saber. The Mk1 always felt like a brick with a big engine (F4 Phantom like), especially the Super Hornet. The Mk2 is what the Mk1 should have been from the start. And, I'm sorry, but the new "commercial" for the Mk2 sucks. It feels like it was made by an AI bot who never watched the first one.
Mk. II certainly is a sleeker ship. I am just kicking myself for missing the veteran charity event during one of the earlier years that had "F7A Body Kit" as the reward. It turns out my Hornet Wild Fire Mk. I is more expensive than Hornet Mk. II, so CCU is out of question 😅
I am not sold TBH. 15/18 shots available they look more like burst fire shots than sustained fire to put the opposition under pressure. One has to be a virtual sharp shooter to hit the target. Even the Gladius with less than half the fire power was able to put up a decent fight not to mention the F8. In any case the way things are progressing at CIG i doubt we have to wait very long for a new 'upgraded' version of the F8 that will prob be just a little bit better, available to purchase, in our never ending search for the meta...LOL. A great educational video as usual.
Missile payload flexibility IE can carry more or more types plus half or a third of the fuel burn rate are two things that come to mind Plus additional mfds meaning you can see more ship info.
It's cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, has a more flexible missile load out. Number of MFDs will be irrelevant once the context sensitive changes are in game.
No matter what, I cant find the same setup that Avenger One is using on his F7C MK2, His setup on the screen is 2x S4, 2x S3 and 2x S2. How is this possible?
![ANVIL F8C GOD OF WAR [STAR CITIZEN PVP COMBAT]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bNosMRMkNOI/mqdefault.jpg)
even if you dont look at combat, this ship is absolutely stunning. i fly hornets everyday, but i always felt while they were dope they seemed less modern as compared to other ships in the game. but the mk2.... oh the mk2 is sleek, its sexy, it sounds dope.... thank you cig
Yeah the sound design is phenomenal
The cinematography in the intro was amazing! Whoever did the trailing and recording knew what they were doing, big kudos to them! Keep up the good work ^^
I agree, suspect they may be a cinematography drone pilot.
y, I like it too
Visually the only think i don't like about the MkII is that the weapons under the wings look like their attacgment points are very flimsy for the size of guns, however that is more an issue with how CIG designs their weapons; favouring spindly over bulky, i remember the old gattpling guns you got on the hornes and how they looks more satisfying in how they were attached to the ship.
Edit: Oh yeah, and i feel like i'm flying a Viper from Battlestar Galactica when i'm flying the MkII, F The Hell Yes!
The whole problem with the idea of medium fighters as multirole fighters is that there is no real multirole mission separation. The same guns and missiles you would use in a dogfight vs another fighter you can also use to attack ground targets. Where as in the real world an F-18 or F-16 needs to swap out air to air missiles for bombs or air to ground missiles. If the multirole aspect comes from the S4 hardpoint, well the Hornet MK2 is the only medium fighter with that size hardpoint so it would be the only multirole fighter.
If you want to give all the fighters in the game a real place then you need to change up some ship stat parameters and what their mission design is. First thing would be to merge light fighters and interceptors into one class and give it the mission of defense/enemy interception. They should have their own unique quantum drive that is short range but high speed, so you reach the intercept point asap. In SCM the ship is either slower but good turn (eg the Arrow) or fast but poor turn rate (eg Hurricane). Certain ships would be better suited to deal with bombers (Hurricane) or other medium sized attackers and others better at dogfighting (Arrow). Common trait is short quantum and SCM range. The job is to intercept an attacker not to escort an attack force any distance.
Medium fighters are the dogfighting escorts. They have better range, armor/shields, the dont turn as well as an Arrow/Gladius but are harder to kill. They are the ship that would be the chief escort choice for a convoy or attack force that has to go a good distance, but isnt going to be logging out and finishing up the run the next day. Or if you needed escorts for a Tali bomber group that was attacking an Idris a system or two away.
Heavy fighters are for going after bigger targets like medium ships and above or other heavy fighters. These are the ships you have hunting down a raiding party that is prowling around and going after your assets, or a Carrack needs an escort and it would likely only encounter other heavy fighters or bigger. They should all have beds as they are the ones that would be out if the mission was going to take multiple play sessions.
So Lights would be:
Anti-fighter: Arrow, Gladius, Talon, Khartu al, Buccaneer
Anti-bomber: Hurricane, Scorpio, Talon Strike
Mediums would be:
Hornet, Saber, Defender, F8, Santokyia
Heavy fighters are:
Vanguard, and any new ship. Ares I would consider a heavy fighter/bomber hybrid and it should be tuned around killing medium ships and above.
I didnt list Freelancer, Spirit or Cutlass due to them being a combat/cargo hybrid. I have heard rumors about two new ships that could be heavy fighters getting added this year, so depending on their loadout they could be heavy or medium fighters. I would say they should be made into heavy, since that category is pretty slim for ship choices.
I thought the defender was a light fighter?
Think of it as a heavy light@@sphere3704
@@sphere3704Defender is classified as a long range medium fighter by CIG. Its the only medium fighter with a bed to my knowledge.
I think that is very much the case regarding the Defender.
The labeling of medium fighters as the multi-role didn't quite make sense to me at first. Though on reflection I could see the argument.
But when you look at the hornet mark 2, it starts to make a bit more sense especially when you are able to up or down gun the ship as much as you are with the Mark 2.
An example of a loadout exaggerated to make the point would be a triple size four quipped hornet Mark II. Be it ADBs, ballistic cannons or laser of the same. That same ship could also be completely fitted with laser repeaters for anti fighter. Or it could be rigged somewhere in the middle with a mixture of dual AD4s and 3 laser cannons.
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@@gyratingwolpertiger6851In that regard though every fighter in the game is a multirole fighter. Every fighter can equip every gun type that comes in that hardpoint size, and since both light and medium fighters both have S3 hardpoints they can all carry any S3 gun available. The same with missiles, just that medium fighters tend to be able to carry more.
I could really see in your stream yesterday how much fun you had flying and testing the mk2. It was really enjoyable, watching skilled pilots testing different ships against each other . I could get mine as well. This ship is not only beautiful but it flies like a charm. Thank you Av1.
Something that I have found out with time is that just like in real life with performance-oriented cars and bikes and stuff, it is really important to have that connection with the ship, to feel it as an extension to yourself, your input and expectations of what it should fly like. This does it for me. The dialed down main thruster makes it fly that much better...maybe not better but balanced is a better word. The size 4 hardpoints are great compensation for that reduced main thruster grunt and the sleeker looks and cool paint are simply the icing on the cake. I also own the Ghost and while I've mostly enjoyed flying it, this feels...just right.
Another example:
I've been flying around GrimHex a lot lately, doing PvP in snubs and while the Fury may be better on paper or in someone else's hands, the P72 Archimedes flies and performs exactly how I expect it to and I am therefore substantially better with it than the Fury. It feels that much more direct and nimble, even if it probably really isn't.
Looks like because the capacitors, it takes 5-6x as long to actually kill someone in it. Same problem the Hawk has.
Ballistics has entered the chat*
You leave my hawky alone! She does her best
@@Vioblight Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking quad energy for turret and nose and ballsitics on the wings. Might extend energy while still having ballistics for if the shields get low and/or just extra plink.
TBF Sorrowwss is a hell of a pilot. Did my initial trial with him. Very skilled and very helpful
Avenger one, I feel like you should definitely try more mixed loadouts. Since the F7C MK2 has larger weapons, there is an even bigger incentive at using mixed loadouts.
I personally find it works best with two S4 basllistic gatlings on the wings. That way you the longer energy salvos will definitely help keep your damages up.
I even flew mine in the stock blue livery, as a nod to my F7C Tracker it replaced.
I don't mind the blue. It's unique.
I LOVE the blue paint. It's perfect and unique in the universe at the moment.
22:28 nice job Camera Man in the Cutty!
The mk2 A is 4x s3 and 2x s4 so not the same as the mil version. The badgers on the nose will be panthers with the f7a mk2.
And s2 power plant vs 2x s1
what about the capacitors? cuz if you only have 10 bullets it will be kinda pointless to have the extra fire power in an arcade game that takes a lot of hits to kill someone lol
@@InTVS capacitors are basically how many energy weapons to ballistic weapons.
@@LunaStarFire yeah but what i mean is, would the extra S3 weapons on the A reduce the mag size (for energy weapons) to a point that it will feel like lacking stamina because of to small mags
@@InTVS well with current MM joisting seems to be more of a priority, so sustained damage isnt that high on the list, so either way you are likely to see an improvement with the s3 but theres basically a skill to damage profile per person where they need to see if they are out of charge on their guns when they are lined up, if so you likely want more ballistics.
full potential on loadout, at least or now
if you had the better looking mk2 nose turret from Arlington before patch, that now is called "Anvil F7A MKII nose turret" when tractor beamed.
It can now hold 2 size 3s so if it is still on your MK1 murder hornet you can upgrade by hand to 6xS3 guns now
But you can't attach turrets by hand anymore so no duping or moving by hand
and when removed in vehicle loadout it becomes a placeholder icon in the station local
So it is now impossible to get the load-out he is using unless you had it saved on an Mk1 before the patch? Are we stuck with the 160f ball turret then?
This ship is just gorgeous. Pure eye candy. On top of that, I just love the way it handles. I'll withhold any judgements about performance until after we get MM.
I absolutely adore that blue paintjob, that's for sure. Haven't flown one yet.
i said a few months ago in a comment on one of your videos when the f8 came out that if i where given the choice i'd take an f7a over the f8 for my sq42 completion reward, and that's still true, but now that they've given me the option I inta bought myself the mkII f7c. I've loved the design ever since i started playin in '16, and i don't particularly care how good it is or isnt lol
I completely agree with you! This ship is amazing
I am really looking forward to the F7A Mk II upgrade. Thanks for the vid!
I have always loved the hornets and the have completely falleb in love with the Mk II
I think f8 is a good counter ship to a hornet in a 1v1 but the power of the Hornets in Live is the ability to have acceleration authority and pair up on lone targets quicker than other combinations of ships.
I noticed it as has some very quirky behaviors in atmosphere: not sure if it's a bug or intended.
this is not military variant mate... nose gun mount you have clearly from mk.1 and turret too... that means you have 2x S4, 4x S2 but military hornet Mk.II has 2x S4, 4x S3! plus missile rack is one Size up too..
I so rarely see you fire a missile that I was stunned when you did it to the F8.
F7A and F8C... Both badasses are gonna sit in my stable right along with the Arrow. Sure, they'll all be hangar queens cuz I'm gonna be chilling out in my BMM mosto f the time, but yeah.
The F8A dominates the F7A MKII, I thought they’d be a little closer. Great flying and showcase.
how'd you get access to the F7A MKII? that wont be available till near invictus
You have to buy the new F7C MKII from the store. Then play this rare event that’s going until May. I couldn’t grab the mission for 2 hours today, maybe others will share or group if they get it. Anyways at the end it starts to set up the future Xenothreat battle and we get a token to upgrade F7C2 to the F7A2…. Which has to much firepower in my opinion, things a godamn solo pilot Hurricane… but more mobile…
Real question is, how does the F7A mk2 compare to our F8Cs its got roughly the same dps
@@c.g.1605Far less shielding and hull HP plus smaller missiles equipped
@@c.g.1605f8 beats it more durable
Thanks avenger!
Dude I really respect your stuff. Your prob the only reason I have kept the faith about this game. I backed it back in 2014, and well its been a long road. Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!
How did you get the f7a turret on it i couldnt get anything to work yesterday other than changing it out in the vehicle editor.
would also like to know
I'm glad they released it as a separate ship and not a replacement.
why ?! they let the mkI in a garbage state
The MK1 and MK2 were always meant to coexist. There is no garbage state just because a newer version is out. What exactly even is the garbage state, I'm pretty sure it was fine before this came out. @@aerouant7685
@@aerouant7685 Nothing is final. Ship balance has a long way to go.
@@aerouant7685 Garbage?? The MkI is the absolute Meta and remains so with its unreal accel.
@@borkug1566 i don't speak about fight i speak about the state of the 3D model and cockpit interior
Looking forward to the MK II Gladius.
I don't think it'll happen. In Lore the Gladius is on its way out of UEE Naval service, being replaced by the Arrow F7C MK2. Plus the Gladius is Gold Standard.
Other governments might push for the old school weapons developer. Never question the draw of your wallet to their lore 😅
I'm looking forward to the MK 2 Mercury Star Runner! It's the same ship except it has a SECOND EXIT! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@MooneShadowlmao! Best MKII upgrade we have seen
@@MooneShadow1exit is good to defend with
There is nothing more powerful than love..
Except a group of mkII hornet running towards you
Wait I just realized does the F7A have the same fire power as a hurricane but for one pilot and a lighter more maneuverable class medium instead of heavy fighter. :o
Balance is CIG’s passion lol
Maneuverability never was a concern with the hurricane because all it had to do was roll and point the turret at the target
Yes but its not as clean cut as that. Turrets have a huge advantage and those Hurricane turrets are deadly!
first video in my recommended and exactly what i wanted to see
The opening statement summed up my feelings on this ship. Im so happy
So, it will lose more often than not to light and heavy fighters unless you outnumber them? It kind of sounds like it sucks. At the very least, it shouldn't lose it's firepower the moment the shields go down.
Great now the fomo, to get one kicks in! As if cig 's marketing wasn't enough 😂
thank you for another outstanding combat analysis! looking forward to master modes. it's gonna totally change the game.
They could so easily put the shield numbers on the self status MFD screen to eliminate that useless shield MFD. The standard should obviously be 2 screens, self status and opponent status.
just a problem with one of your analogy, the F16 is not equivalent to a light fighter, it stopped being a light fighter long long ago in the same way the F/A-18 did, both of which were products of the lightweight fighter program, and both of which stopped being light fighters when their mass was drastically inflated from when they only had a gun and 2 ATA missiles during development and were pure ATA fighters when when they became multi-role fighters, which was the only way the USAF and USN would accept them into service, which did see drastic empty weight and MTOW increases and number of pylons and systems for their mixed ATG and ATA roles.
Yeah, when I hear light fighter I think F5.
huge hornet fan, and LOVE this ship. great video keep up the good work brotha o7!
You are a monster for putting that ugly nose turret on something so gorgeous! Great video.
looking forward to the Vanguard MKII with a size 6/7 gun or 4s3’s
F8C is still king!
Good to see that CIG has again introduced a meta to increase sales. Wonder how this will be nerfed. Or will the Ares remain as the only mega nerfed ship? Really hoping to one day be able to change it into a heavy that has an interior like the vanguard, but I dislike everything about the vanguard series.
I know you have spoken about how master modes will change the combat, but have you done a video trying to simulate how it will work? I think it could be a cool video to see how an SCM limited combat would work and how you would need to deactivate everything to go above SCM to reset the fight.
Cant wait till the speeds are slowed with MM. Either one of you could disengage no issue.
yeah i haven't watched a dogfight in a while, this was lame, just constant disengaging. Though i personally would have preferred some kind of snare instead of MM.
@@moonashaLarger ships should have this feature to slow the enemy. I think that proximity detonation ammo against fighters will definitely slow them down.
Have you played MM? You’re stuck in a fight with no way to disengage unless you change your mode.
@@tylergood8235I know, now true skill will be rewarded. Learn how to fight or be destroyed.
@@tylergood8235Maybe now we will have a reason to bring a bigger fighter ship like the Redeemer. More of a Tank. We need more kinds of effecting the fights. Electronic Counter Measures, Hacking, Jamming, Different Ammo Types and the like. All balanced around the idea of Upgrade = Good. More People = Good.
Just like a WOW battleground, You get caught alone against 3 Players, You die probably.
I'm guessing your faction status will reduce the cost for your insurance to cover you. Maybe even a contract with shippers insurance.
CIG should just be an insurance company lol.
Bro is already Glazing it. If you listen closely at the end of every sentence you can hear him say "lisan al gaib"
Well I'm about a month late, but better late than never. Thank you for the video. I recently started playing SC again after a 5ish month break. I'm not very good at dogfighting and piloting in general, but I love the way the MK2 looks. SO much sleeker than the Mk1. Ofc the game loops I maining do are PvE fps, some salvage, and some of the bounty missions. Still it's a very nice ship to fly. Also, you mention and compared the MK2 to the F-18. In your opinion, do we have something like the F 15 ingame yet?
Thanks for the expert showcase A1. Always a pleasure. What would you think of the ballistics? I've found recently that the cannons are extremely deadly. Leave the rhinos and have 4 Deadbolt III's. Thoughts?
The F7C MkII seems to perform oddly in atmosphere. I kind of feel it needs to be flown like a real aircraft in a gravity well. Do you have any thoughts on that?
It might have the new gravity meshing connected to it or it’s heavier because of all the guns. Maybe it was designed for the upcoming master modes. Just speculation
How did A1 get the upgraded gun sized on the his MK II if moving turrets by hand is impossible now?
You need to keep both your hands above the desk when Streaming :P Share your load out in the Mil spec, please .
One major flaw with the MkII is that it only has two MFDs, compared to the MkI's four.
Not entirely sure as no one has been able to confirm or deny...
Murder hornet may be dead after the next wipe, since the mk2 released i have not been able to move the m7a mk1 bubble turret onto the f7c.
I cant even remove it from my ghost (which was outfitted prior to the mk2 release) and then out it back in. It appears as though the widened the base of the ball turret just enough to prevent it from connecting...
The nose turret is still functional, so we do at least still get 4 s2 and 2 s3 for the mk1. And 4 s2 and 2 s4 for the mk2
I'd love a video actually showing you getting the f7a turret on. Like I said I haven't actually seen anyone getting it in. And I can't even get my ghost to take it back after removal
Do you prefer the F7A Mk2 or the F8C?
Why not use ballistics? The whole advantage to the size 4 is it has enough ammo capacity to actually fight. Also, the ship feels like a brick in atmosphere.
if you are talking about the AD4bs the velocity of the projectiles are too slow, you won't be able to hit anything in PVP that's why they use repeaters over cannons for PVP. The ballistic repeaters don't have enough ammo to win more than a fight and that's when you can hit all your shots which you wont be able to against good pilots.
I think ballistics are getting for ammo soon, I’ve never had issues landing ballistics and prefer them. However I’m not an amazing pilot and mostly fight not amazing pilots.
the avanger loadout: 2x S4 2x S3 2x S2 & 1x S1 Powerplant
F7A MK II loadout: 2x S4 2x S3 2x S3 & 1x S2 Powerplant
So the F7A MK II is still superior in firepower to the F7C MK II. But it looses 10% scm speed which i cant quantify
But I'm talking max potential F7C MKII not the F7A, however yes you are correct 😉
@@Avenger__One then i missunderstood this. im sry ^^
Medium fighters could have small bombs to the different classes need signature weapons
I noticed the rhinos had 35 rounds with them alone and no other guns, wouldnt it be better to remove the 2 nose guns and go for just the size 3?
in my opinion, i think so. on my build now, i have about 36 for an all around build
Can also mix some ballistics in…
I feel like i am just waking up to how difficult the flight model is... You guys are circling one another at 200m going 500m/s..... So one wrong move and in half a second you crash or they push past you? 😅
can't wait to get the A upgrade already
Have you flown the MK II in atmo? Trying to fly this in Hurston atmo for example was a nightmare..
It's slower but more controlled than the MkI hornet
At least until the nose up/down crap kicks in. And then it flies like absolute trash. The flight characteristics on the Mk2 are... incomplete... to be polite. I will be super interested to see how it shapes up in MM. Especially the F7A Mk2 with all that firepower. Of course, until we get maelstrom/armor and atmo control surfaces, balance will continue to be an evolution on temporary efforts.
Once its upgraded to the MK2 F7A and its then 4 s3s and 2S4s with a medium power plant behind them, there isn’t a lot that’s going to stand in its way.
I’m first cause I’m cool like that!
F7C MK II is everything I dreamed it would be, I can’t wait to get some more time behind the stick on this ship. I obviously kept my MK I Ghost as well though, it’s my first love. 😅
i don't really get why they made another variant when the OG Hornet is in gold standard... could almost have been an upgrade token for MK1 civilian hornets, to be "Military". imo OG Super Hornets should have been a 2 person MK2 in the first place, with an upgrade for OG Hornet and no paywall variant, basically...
really just comes off as a bit of a cash grab aimed at PvP meta-pilots and ship collectors sadly... i played a "free to play" shooter awhile back that started making $40USD MK1 and then MK2 weapon packages each month. as new players came in buying the newest/strongest, the older players got mad that the meta things they paid for weren't meta anymore and non-pay players were just target practice never being able to keep up to the monthly TTK reducers with in-game Exp. not to mention the really old players just got mad that TTK went from mistake forgiving to insta-death. died out for obvious reasons.
Only question is..... what do I melt? 😅
Wait a second, that's a murder hornet.
How did you manage to have the turrets stick? I have one left over from the old mission but it won't save to the ship when I equip it.
I agree it's beautiful to fly and to look at, except in atmosphere.
if you had ballistics instead of the rhinos the other weapons' would have more ammo and that F8 fight might have been very different
Agreed, I saw someone say it’s balanced because of the capacitor so I thought ok then add ballistics to counter an overdrained capacitor.
It wouldn’t have been different
Its Quality. Been Waiting for "the" Fighter .
I wanna see a 5v5 with something like 3 hornets + 2 arrows, or 3 arrows + 3 hornets.
How do you have two panthers and two badgers?
The top one is from the murder hornet build but that bottom one is new as far as I know
excelent showcase of new ship, what I'm confused is, will there be a place in squadron for MK1 or will it be completely replaced with this MK2, I was able to see role difference between F7C and F8C but this MK2 seems like a ship that made previews hornet+Superhornet obsolete or I'm missing something?
This dumb flight model is soon history ❤️
Who would have thought the Drake Cutlass would be one of the best Cameraman in Star Citizen ?
6 and 10 minutes for 1v1 fights, this is extremely painfull, it makes the game looks like a chore
how it will feel with new Master Mods?
Only God knows
do you have the F7A MKII turret on the roof? where'd you get it at? you can't buy the proper one for the MKII anywhere as far as i know :/
Ship looks freaking nice..
good lord space combat is so damn bad rn. actually gross. After watching this i understand why they want master modes lol
Going to miss this model.
I like this ship for the way it handles, its responsive enough, the guns are great. I think this ship in the future will be The Best dog fighter you could want.....
If the F8C had used ballistic/canons, it would be fun to see how long you would last until kaboom.
A1, I'm just starting to get into pvp after years of being a cargo hauler. What my biggest question right now is actually on the choise of Lag Pip vs. Lead Pip. I saw in your recent interview with Space Tomato and Yogi, you had briefly expressed your absolute preference for Lag Pip and I see in your video that is in fact what you are using. Can you tell me why you make this choise? What the benits are? Pros and cons of each? To me, it seems, the Lead Pip is more "telling" of the targets movements. Wouldn't this be important information to have in combat? Honest question. Im absolutely not an expert on this 😅
I hope you get a better answer than this. Its just my limited experience in combat.
Lead pip requires to focus more on an icon on your HUD. And offers better tracking of your target. Within limits.
The lag pip requires you to focus on your target more. But once your target leaves your view out of the visual space (cockpit glass) its hard to put the pip on target.
If you can get good enough to keep your target in view, than lag is a good way to go.
Same calculation, but your EYES are on the target not the pip
So if you have the f8c is this still worth it?
Yes. It's a heavy. Bigger shields.
how did u get the f7a nose hard point i cant put the guns on mine that u have
I'm currently feeling out the difference between the Hornet Mk2 and the Saber. I've never really liked light fighters, they feel too much like the little kids running around in CoD with a submachine gun after a hit of Adderall. I'm more of a lay a claymore, huck grenades and laugh while they sprint into a belt-fed machine-gun kind of guy. In other words, I'm old and don't have the patience for foolishness. So far, I really love the feel of the Mk2, but probably because it reminds me of the Saber. The Mk1 always felt like a brick with a big engine (F4 Phantom like), especially the Super Hornet. The Mk2 is what the Mk1 should have been from the start. And, I'm sorry, but the new "commercial" for the Mk2 sucks. It feels like it was made by an AI bot who never watched the first one.
how did he get 2 rhinos 2 panthers and 2 badgers on his mk2
@@CouchDoritos ah thanks
Mk. II certainly is a sleeker ship. I am just kicking myself for missing the veteran charity event during one of the earlier years that had "F7A Body Kit" as the reward. It turns out my Hornet Wild Fire Mk. I is more expensive than Hornet Mk. II, so CCU is out of question 😅
just melt it and get the MK2
@@MMORPG87 I'd actually be far happier if they'd be duplicating the Mk. I lineup for the Mk. II as well.
I'm definitely excited to have a legit MK1 F7A and not a "body kit". I'm still getting the Mk2 F7A.
I can't wait to see how you like the F7A mkII, I'm hoping the size two power plant will help the capacitors a bit
Excess power have no effect on anything as long as it covers the power need.
@latjolajban81 Thanks for teaching me something new. At least it won't have any problems covering the 4 size 3s 🤣.
I am not sold TBH. 15/18 shots available they look more like burst fire shots than sustained fire to put the opposition under pressure. One has to be a virtual sharp shooter to hit the target. Even the Gladius with less than half the fire power was able to put up a decent fight not to mention the F8. In any case the way things are progressing at CIG i doubt we have to wait very long for a new 'upgraded' version of the F8 that will prob be just a little bit better, available to purchase, in our never ending search for the meta...LOL. A great educational video as usual.
Do you think there is going to be any point in the Mk I hornet going forward?
Missile payload flexibility IE can carry more or more types plus half or a third of the fuel burn rate are two things that come to mind
Plus additional mfds meaning you can see more ship info.
It's cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, has a more flexible missile load out.
Number of MFDs will be irrelevant once the context sensitive changes are in game.
I’m confused. This is the Civilian mk ii with 2 scu cargo?? Where did the turrets come from?
Swapped for the Murder Hornet or store bought turrets
how did you get the nose turret on the mk2 ?!
RT
I just wanna know if i can fit a fury on the top cargo spot
Wait you can get the full F7a loadout ? 4 size 3 guns and 2 size 4
Just keep the ship out of atmo and youll keep this feeling.
I wouldn't have cared if this was a dookie ship in combat, I EFFIN love it
where do I find the ball turret and nose turret that can fit the same sizes that Avenger one is using in the video?
areas 18 shop in the arcorp tower sells both
@@sascha9213Are you sure it sells the MkII top turret that has 2x S3 and not the MkI that has 2x S2?
No matter what, I cant find the same setup that Avenger One is using on his F7C MK2, His setup on the screen is 2x S4, 2x S3 and 2x S2. How is this possible?
@@AlexanderHelsingI think they're from a Murder Hornet build (F7A parts).
thank you for your reply! @@Spork82
Watching your video, I have my doubts about master modes. I don’t think it will change combat significantly. It will still be jousting in space!
casual A1 W
Why was your intro 4 times the volume of the video?
It's beautiful..