Star Citizen 3.22.1 - Anvil F7C Hornet Mark II - buy or not?
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- We put the F7C Hornet Mark II through its paces and talk about its strengths and weaknesses. We also consider how it might fare after 3.23 changes the world with Master Modes and I share my thoughts on whether to buy it or not.
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Combat performance
2:07 Loadouts
4:34 The problems
6:50 What’s with all these Hornets
9:37 Parting thoughts & Verdict
11:07 Socials
11:20 Extra combat footage
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The boxes flopping around in the center cavity made me lol...
Hahaha for me it was when they got pooped out the bottom while the wings unfolded lol
glad to see you back!
Thank you! Glad to see you still here
@@WingZeroType I have 4 kids, 8,7,4, and 1. I get that Real life can get busy lol. Good on your for having the right priority's.
Great to see you back! Went to your channel a couple weeks ago just in case the old youtube algorythm had me missing your stuff. All is forgiven with the stellar opening music. I bought the thing...well upgraded for 5 bucks from a Sabre. I don't know man.....FOMO. I know I would wish I had the upgraded version if I missed out. By the way MKI version acceleration is a confirmed bug that they literally said they have ignored to concentrate on bigger fish. It will be going away very soon. Great video.
ty ty! And yeah same for me, I upgraded an existing ship with credits i had sitting around so i could try the ship out (and make the video). If/when it's available in-game I'll probably melt it
@@WingZeroType I have been running group VHRTs with it and enjoying it more than I thought I would. I was never a fan of the MKI looks wise. Of course I am one of those people that enjoy non META ships (frequently run VHRTs with a Terrapin just because it's so ridiculous). Genuinely love your content and sense of humor. Glad you're back!
@@Drifterwww1 haha yeah I enjoy non-meta things too just for a change of pace and for fun. It helps that I had enough time to earn all the ships i needed for testing so i don't need to worry too much about the money anymore :D
And ty for the kind words! I really appreciate it :)
another great video. thanks!
Thank you for checking it out!
Glad to see you back! Not soon enough... I FOMO'd in before watching your video D:
Though, one of the biggest selling points is the fact that this ship is freaking beautiful. At least if you do not attach mk1 nose turret.
And the mk2 nose turret looks much better on f7a, not at all impending the looks, so I'm committed to finishing all the missions to get it.
thank you! And yeah I got it too (obviously) but fortunately I ended up committing a couple hundred dollars to the game a while back that I would use to always buy the latest ship. And then once it became available in-game, i'd melt that and then use it to get whatever else is new. So fortunately i'm cycling through new ships like that lol. Although if the F7A ends up being a ship we can't get in-game any other way, I might need to CCU chain something up to one >
appreciate the breakdown of the whole mk1 and mk2 thing. was pretty confused. lol
I'm glad that was helpful for you! And yeah I was kinda confused too, I was like "damn how many of these are they gonna give us?"
Yay! You're back!
Yay! We're back! Well sort of. Life is still crazy... but Star Citizen is going crazy right now too! So I'm going to try to cover as much as life allows me to :D
Best SC combat content creator period, just wait, when this game gets global traction, your channel will explode.
LMAO you killed me with these roles!
Haha yeah I figured someone that didn't know all the different variants would be like "wtf do we have 7 hornets for". And well... hopefully now they know lol
Good points....
I can see changes coming with 3.23 to make it more fun to fly in atmo (or other ships equally awkward), and the Inferno take the lead in the role of destroyer again.
I had the ship but melted it again, it sounds great, looks great and the weapon hardpoints allow for some fun builds, but with its typical carrier-based fighter limitations and the atmo issues it's just too much of a headache, at least for now.
Totally agreed. I actually really enjoyed the fights that were in either low atmo moons or in zero G. The ship felt agile enough, and definitely more than agile enough for its firepower. But yeah in atmo it feels like you'd be better off with a connie
The acceleration of the Mk 1 is a bug and that was confirmed by Yogi on a recent Space Tomato podcast. It isn't supposed to be able to pull the 28 g's it currently does but CIG just hasn't got around to do anything about it. Not yet but he pretty much said they will at some point. .. My guess is that when things get settled the Mk2 will end up pulling a few more g's than the old timer.
It’s fixed in MM which will be in the PU in like a month
Yep I saw that podcast too - also side note how awesome was it to get that much screen time with Yogi?? lol But yeah its tricky b/c we don't know yet, so I mentioned it in the video but until we know I wanted to try to hold off on *too much* speculation. I've had people come back to me in comments after they buy a ship and they weren't happy with it... so I've learned to be a lot more careful when speculating lol.
@@WingZeroType Caution is perfectly understandable if you've had people come back at you in the past. .. Yes, it was great to hear so much from Yogi. He started very nervously but grew into it went on. Tbh, it was one of the best SC podcasts I've ever seen.
@@asog88 Thanx. Will have to check it out. I haven't flown a Hornet in MM yet.
Several years ago they stated We were supposed to get f7a and f8c rep tokens that would allow us to in game buy them via sq42 campaigns.
Since they are allegedly feature complete on PU Blocker 42, it’s a last year cash run on ppl that will buy, imo.
Since the Behring new AR has been done for a few years but not added more than a prop occasionally, it might be a campaign thing too.
Cig isn’t going to miss getting tendies due to lti fears, and how they haven’t stated how lti will work on the end.
Haha yeah I tried to hint at some of the things you said, with the thumbnail saying to hide your wallet and hide your hangar lol, and also calling out that they were shamelessly exploiting fomo lol. They have said numerous times that LTI is not a big deal, so I personally give CIG a pass on that. The playerbase is turning it into more than it needs to be, but I get it that not everyone can deal well with ambiguity
@@WingZeroTypenot a big deal, but here's this warbond "deal"...
@@Pratchet_ GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME
I think it's slightly worse than a simple cash-grab. I think CIG is behind on funding, and these (F8, F7A) are their 'break glass' funds.
I bought the cheapest CCU for the F7C Mk II I could find (from the Khartu-Al in my case) with store credit. And I intend to get the F7A Mk II from the event. Whether I'll apply that or not depends on 3.23.
Once I have both, and have some experience with 3.23, I'll decide whether or not to use them.
This is exactly what I'd suggest for people that might be interested. De-risk the future purchase as much as possible for as little current investment as possible, and make the decision down the line when some of the unknowns are ironed out.
the mkII flies well in atmo if you fly it like a modern day jet. if you fly it like an AH it will do weird things and flip around
yeah thats why i was saying it might be turned for the new flight model changes, but even then I feel like it's a bit too happy to start porpoising up and down
So in previous patches i was a "Murder Hornet" fanatic(stealing the MK1 F7A Turrets off the ones that used to spawn in game and putting them on an F7C). And recently, i got my hands on a mk2 ball turret before the release of the mk2. When they added the mk2, they categorized the ball turrets so the mk2 A turret no longer fits on the mk1. They unequipped them from all the hornets that had them equipped, but i lucked out ajd managed to keep a few extra ball turrets in my inventory. So my Mk2 has 2S4 on wings, 2S3 on the ball, and 2S2 on the nose turret(from the F7A MK1). I've been tweaking my loadout and trying different things but i really enjoy the ship. Although Zero is absolutely right when it comes to the current build. Its just not really necessary atm. It doesnt fill a specific role and there's plenty of perfectly good in-game options for medium fighters. I wouldnt reccomend it to anyone in the current build. I believe it may shine when master modes arrives, but theres no way of knowing till we get there
Yeah this is how i felt as well. This didn't feel particularly special to me. A slightly varied model of an existing ship with some upsized weapon hardpoints for FOMO-sales... it left a not-great taste in my mouth. I know this was always planned specifically with this ship so I sort of forgave that point, but I really really hope this doesn't become a trend with CIG, because if it does I'm going to have to be much harsher on it in future videos.
Ooof that thing reminds me of a vanguard the way you have to be cautious on your turns in atmo. And it's hilarious how much the Mark 1 ball turret is clearly oversized for the slot.
haha yeah the mk1 turret fits but it really doesn't look like it belongs. And yeah for the vanguard it lost control when overspeed, which made sense. For this ship I struggled a bunch even when below SCM speed, which didn't feel right in the pre-control-surfaces-flight-model
07 Wing - Grats on being a Dad :)
ty ty
I like the looks of the Mark 2 a lot. I also like how it fly's. I do think the price is a little bloated when compared the Mark 1. Over all it feels nice in the current flight model and I think it will end up being a nice ship for doing all the early bounty's up to HRTs once Master modes comes out. It is also a good size and should fit on a number of ships like the liberator later down the line.
Yeah it is a carrier based aircraft and I remember reading somewhere that they adjusted the way the wings fold in so that it fights more easily in folded form. I like the look as well, and I'm totally down with the handling in zero G. I do want it to be a bit more stable in atmo though. I don't even mind if they slow it down, I just want it to be more predictable instead of having this sort of postiive-feedback-wobble that flips the ship sometimes
that turret really needed to mount the gun on the front, and not have it stick out like a massive dong. The ship itself looks great, but the turret feels like they plastered it on.
do you mean the back ball turret? It's built for the MK1 hornet so it doesn't fit cleanly into the MK2 hornet's aesthetics. That said, it's also a pretty large gun, so it'd look like a massive dong no matter where you put it lol
The guy that won the F7A actually owns the MK2 version not the Mk1. I've been lucky to fly it in prior patches.
ahh ok ty - don't people with the cosmetic upgrade get the mk1 though?
@@WingZeroTypeYes, though this throws a wrench into the previously announced 'F7A-M.'
*Nice video, do you prefer Laser repeater or cannons?*
*I love the Arrow and would like to know what the best weapon is for bouty hunter/pvp*
for pvp laser repeaters is basically always the best way to go, because they have the fastest projectile speed which makes it easier to hit your targets.
For pve bounty hunting, you want to go with laser or ballistic cannons. For the arrow, you'd probably want lasers because you'd need to reload really frequently if you didn't. There's a spreadsheet linked in the video description which shows my preferred loadout for every ship in every patch for pve bounty hunting. Check it out if you haven't seen it yet :)
yeah, i'll sit on that token until last minute and then upgrade some lti token to the f7cmk2 and make it the f7a
yeah that's definitely what I'd like to do as well. But alas... if I want to make content about the F7a... can't really do that lol
Im off to uni and worried that i cant get to my house in time to get to play the event missions, i didnt see any post or info that said they were doable off their week, but you say so in the video, where is the info coming from? Also im glad ur back and hoping to see ur content in the next flight model update
Directly from the Overdrive FAQ:
▲ Will I be able to join the mission series late, and still participate?
► Yes! You have until the final phase starts (ahead of Invictus Launch Week - to be announced later) to join the Overdrive Initiative and still be eligible for the free F7A Mk II Token Upgrade.
CIG said you can run through all the events the week before ILW.
@@Hurric4ne_ Oh ty, i didnt even saw the FAQ
Yeah I can't wait to get my hands on master modes for all ships. I've spent a bit of time in there in Arena Commander so far, and I definitely hope they change some things b/c I didn't really like how they changed a lot of combat, but I'm willing to wait and see how it evolves. I didn't like the capacitor system when it first came out either so CIG has earned my patience when it comes to ship system redesigns. Also, you aren't Mineformers on twitch by any chance are you?
Also Hurric7ne_ already answered your question but yeah, they went into some detail about the event in the FAQs (which were annoyingly not linked from the Overdrive webpage): robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/overdrive-initiative-faq
@@WingZeroType Noo i'm not ajajaj, I go as ImTager on twitch.
F7c mk2 comes standard with a 2 SCU cargo pod. Once u replace it with a turret you can not put it back in since it does not appear in VLM. This is bugged for all Hornet with their bespoke components since...3.17?!. U can still see it in your inventory under 'other' as a place holder. You are also not able to take it out of your Hornet with a multi tool. Anyway the cargo pod is a top loader with an elevator and awkward to use. At this time, if you still have the old miles eckhard mk2 upgrades on any other Hornet u can put them on your mk2 in the vlm. adding a center turret with multi tool is no longer possible, so from miles eckhard u can only take the nose turret (only found the A mk1 version recently).
Ah cool ty for clarifying! I had an F7C Hornet MK 1 that wasn't delivered yet since the last patch dropped, so I delivered the ship and saw that it didn't have the stor-all cargo container in it at all, so I wasn't sure if none of the hornets were spawning with them initially. I saw screenshots on reddit with ppl showing it but since it wasn't showing up in my VLM I wasn't sure what was going on. Thanks for clarifying everything that's happening there!
Congrats on bringing life into this world! Wish we could take our own families and fly to another planet 😪
Thank you!! And be careful what you wish for! That might just happen one day ;)
Hey, quick comment - your Avenger Titan links to Erkul in your spreadsheet don't work :(
Hey sorry for the late response - it was an issue with the way erkul dealt with the PTU. usually when there's a PTU they have a erkul.games/ptu page for those links, but this time they just deleted LIVE and made the EPTU the new live page. So those old links might be forever broken, because that old data just doesn't exist on erkul anymore (and I'm guessing never will). Which is a bummer, but I'll be updating them for 3.23 pretty soon. We'll probably get 3.23 any day now, so I'll just say this.... Omnisky cannons are your friend :D
@@WingZeroType Cool bananas
My thoughts exactly. I wish for you to receive 1 billion 'likes'.
one at a time!
Ok but what if I already have the F7C-m Super Hornet and I hate how it looks. Is the F7A mk2 better?
I can't comment on looks since that's all subjective, but the MK2 hornets are better than the MK1, FOR NOW. remember, everything is always changing, and we just got the very initial pass of master modes and weapons balance. I'd say we're in a state of flux
First. I scooped a war bond Hornet a couple days ago, NGL not liking the way the turret protrudes from the top. I feel that will subject it to more damage.
aside from the fact that it looks ugly af
That's because the mk1 turret is not supposed to fit there. But since the MK2 turret isn't available yet, they let it go despite it looking ugly. If you do the Eckhart mission, the first one has you fighting a mk2 and you can steal the turret, it looks nothing like the mk1, it's pretty much just a cap instead of a ball.
Well merlin that's just subjective though
Ooo @seaRaven277 that's a pro tip! I will have to keep an eye out for the eckhardt mission now, I'd love to see what that looks like
@b4ds33d yeah it's a bit of an unsightly protrusion, I agree. I wonder if it's necessary to give it all the right firing angles while having weapons attached on it?
I ended up putting the series11 Broadsword Ballistic Cannon on the nose, Piggy backed the Deadbolt IV on top, Left the Rhinos on the wings, And Sporting the Iron Scale skin.
This is the Set up i Like,
It Pounds, and ammo for days ..... Look super cool as well.
I m coming from a position where this is my only fighter at the moment, but have tried the others .
So why is this one the fighter i chose to get ?
I don't like the visibility of the other hornets .
I don't have much use for a light fighter.
Although i love the cock pit of the Aries , one big gun just don't have the versatility i want .
I don't like the style of the Scorpion.
I do have a F8C Lightning in my buy backs, witch i do like, and is slightly better , but only slightly, I find the 2 are closely matched but prefer the smaller size of the F7C MK2, as I believe its meant to be a carrier based fighter, and will fit in ship hangers better.
This will be a fantastic support fighter to carry along in the Odyssey for a lil bit extra kit .
I also love the idea that after the upgrade token for the F7A MK2, we might have a ship that is not available to the general public after 1.0 and i can feel special about being a long time supporter by having a special ship in the hanger.
there are some things that i don't like .
Only 2 MFD"s- But i think this is planned that way , I'm hoping CIG is working on having some holographic displays on helmet visor, or the canopy .
and the other stuff i think will be worked out, like using cycle config independent of the gear , the fact that it nose dives in hard G turns in atmo.
So there's my thoughts .
If you have other fighters maybe don't buy, but I'm happy with my purchase.
thanks for the video WingZero . ( o7 ).
I agree with pretty much everything that you said! Except for the mixing of repeaters and cannons in the loadout ;) but if you know me you know that I don't like matching projectile speeds. But also, I might have to suck that up in the future because in master modes it seems mixed projectile speeds is the way they're going. We'll have to see. But if it works for you, that's what matters! And thank you for checking out the vid, I appreciate you
I totally agree But i got a two stage trigger on my Dual Gladiator NXT Evo Hotas So i put the Repeaters on first stage and the cannons on the second stage , that way when I'm to close to miss, i can use the full potential and can unlesh holy hell @@WingZeroType
also not wasting cannon shots and being more efficient , missiles to soften em up at range .
thanks for replying
Does the cockpit seem any more “modern” than the other hornets?? I remember them looking really old school (also I don’t like too many MFDs over my head)
Well factually there are fewer MFDs over your head than the MK1 hornet. As for whether it feels more modern, that's a bit more subjective but I'll venture a guess and say yes. But I still love the MK1 lol
A no. Check. I got a wildfire anyway. And a Ghost and Tracker. And as they they say.... You can only fly one jet at a time.
Yeah the wildfire livery is *chefs kiss* lol. But yeah I do really enjoy the hornets. I can't wait to see what all the ships fly like in master modes so I can see where the new balance ends up landing at
Mk II Hornets are now replacing the Mk I Hornets. After Invictus the Mk I cannot be bought by pledge or in game. The Mk II will get variants soon according to CIG.
yeah I'm really bummed about their decision to do that. And I'm afraid that the mk1 hornets are going to become outdated due to them not generating anymore sales for CIG (I know CIG says they're committed to keeping them updated but just look at how badly outdated the Sabre Raven got until they made the Firebird variant that they could make money off of)
I have a 300i and was looking to upgrade it to a fighter ship. The upgrade to the F7C Hornet Mk II is US$126.50. Do people think that is a sensible thing to do?
Sorry for the super delayed response - I'd hold off on upgrading it to the hornet MK 2 unless you LOVE the ship. Master modes are chaning how everything works a TON and so there's too much up in the air right now. If you want a fighter right now, I think an Arrow or Gladius are a good place to start, and you can always keep upgrading past those if you decide you want more. But best thing to do IMO is to wait for 3.23 and try out ships in the new master modes and see which ones feel good to you.
@@WingZeroType Thanks for the help. I'll wait to decide.
No! Buy or buy not, there is no try!
Yeah Yoda wasn't really one for dealing in the grey, was he?
If there's no Ghost variant I'm not interested!
Hahaha well right now I'm a huge fan of the ghost mostly for the color scheme, and then after that for an expected sneakiness factor. It will depend how much combat capability they remove from these ships in exchange for their stealth capabilities (whatever that ends up being)
Thumbs up just for the reference
The cannon on top of the ship looks utterly ridiculous
Hahaha glad you found it funny :D
And yeah its like CIG took a look at the S5 gun on the vanguard and said "how do we do this, but on another ship?"
@@WingZeroType yeh I can’t stand it.
I hope in the future they have more blended guns in the way they have done with missiles, on the scorpius for example.
Also the turret mounts on luxury ships like the 400 shouldn’t be always deployed, they should fold down and be hidden imo
@@QuotidianStupidity Yeah that's a good point about the origin ship turrets. Somehow the Constellations get deployable turrets but origin gets these things constantly protruding is weird. Thank you for never letting me unsee that lol
@@WingZeroType haha if it helps, I’m fairly certain I’ve heard it was a mini project for someone to work on that for the 600 rework.
@@WingZeroType thinking about it, I believe the Sabre and the Hawk would be good examples of nicely inbuilt guns.
a faster, tougher ship with more fuel and weapons... but smaller ...
which make me question the physic of the world ...again;
it look like a buffed version just for game mechanics/balance purpose due to it's outdated original...
I don'T think any fighter are worth considering to be bought until we see the master mode,
I've melted or upgraded all my fighter for more utility 2 or 3-man ships, and don'T see any reason to buy that one...
but it just make the old model more underpowered and prove now that there's no reason to buy those ships...
since they gonna make mark2 version to render old ones obselete and keep the ships market open.... for "new" mark version even after release...
so eventually all the ship we have gonna be outdated combatwise...
so take functional ones that suit your need instead as starter ships...
I can already see them bringing mark II for...
Constellations
Freelancers
Reliants
Gladiator
Aurora
Nomad
and
Mustang
AND since the Luxury brands are usually for actuality trend and glamour...
why not make annual Mark edition for the 100a,300a and 85x
I think the hornets are unique in that Chris Roberts has specifically called them out as ships he wants to keep old and new vesrions for. I don't believe all the other ships are going to get specific marques, but they are still at risk of getting out of sorts via new ships coming by
lag pip. nice.
Always!
Less Ships more game !!!!!
por'que no los dos?
Well its all about the LTI fomo mate, nothing else 😂
Yeaaappp lol. CIG knows it too, they've ramped up these LTI fomo sales lately. I'm hoping they realize they can't just do that forever and adjust their strategy. I'm really hoping we don't see them going down a slippery slope with these sales
Just fly it like a plane and it is really good again in atmo 🤷🏻♂️
but it's a space ship!
I bought it so I am in the “fuck you all plebs” club
Me too! Btw, when's the next "cry together in silence since we regret how much we spent" meeting?
I will pass on this one.. not only because my wife will kill me. I will stay with my f8
hahaha fair enough, the F8 is a solid ship tbh. And honestly, it's similar enough to this ship in most statistics that i feel like I'm not sure in what situation you'd prefer an F7C mk2 over an F8.
As to your child becoming a bio-weapon. I would say now you know why a lot of families are going for home-schooling. Except, that's what my brother and his wife do along with many families in his area. But they don't want the kids to loose out on socialization. So they have get-together events once or twice a week. Which means... Yeah. Three times so far this winter.
On the whether to buy. To me, it's a no-brainer. Ships are always going to be cheapest when they are first released. They released this knowing it had bugs. So they set the price point low to get people to buy it and not feel cheated. Once all the balancing is done and the bugs worked out, I would not be surprised to see this jump to the $200 price point.
Add to that a bit of "let's be honest". For those of us who spend any real money building a fleet, a lot of these smaller ships are more like a weird "lay-away" plan on much larger ships that we want. I.e. bought with the intent of enjoying it for a bit then melting it. Keep in mind, this comes with an LTI.
My wife and I both work so home schooling would be a no-go for us, I'm hoping it'll just be a couple months of living in a home-hospital and then she'll be more or less on a normal "sick a couple times a season" schedule lol.
As for purchasing the ship, I think a lot of it depends on people's financial situation and how much they really love this game, and this ship in particular. It's a limited role ship for quite a bit of money (in a video-game context) so its hard for me to say ppl should buy it. Especially when you can accomplish pretty much most of what it does almost as effectively for cheaper with the MK1 hornet. If we knew where all the balance dust settled with weapon sizing, targetting, and ship maneuverability that might help justify it a bit more for me. If it's about looks though, then I totally get it. Looks are about emotion, which doesn't fit a mathematical equation
NOT...until i get my Super Hornet F7C-M to a Super Hornet F7C-M mk2.
I have no interest in the F7C mk2 or the F7A mk2, i just want a sleeker look on my Super Hornet...and the option to replace the abortion of a chin turret on the mk1 to the MUCH slimmer mk2 chin turret.
You don't want a Jay-Leno super hornet???
Same. I aint getting ride of my heartseaker untill they make a MKII varient
@@WingZeroType Never heard that kind of description before. It's the chin right?
@@niklasdahlgren7641haha yeah, I've never heard that either, I just thought of it lol
mkI... mkII
I just want my F7A-M.
bioweapon lol
not.
i was thinkin the same thing
o7