Respect for having the patience to deal with G-Man. It takes so much effort to make him understanding and not twist your words, I don't think I could do it.
You cannot have an honest debate with a dishonest person, and anyone who runs with the presupp argument is being intellectually dishonest. There are better targets for your intellect than this fool fsx but I fully admire your patience in exposing him.
I really wish people like G-Man could understand the difference between these two statements; "I don't believe God exists" and "I believe God doesn't exist." They are two very similar sounding statements, that have very different meanings regarding what you actually believe. This entire video was a showcase for G-Man's lack of understanding regarding the differences between these two kinds of statements.
well, this is one of the most frustrating things I've seen. cudos on not going on a complete rampage. the dude is clearly too focused on his script to have a real conversation.
This is also such a bad tactic for gary to adopt, because he is so bad at speaking or being clear, and the Presup argument relies so critically on careful word games using specific phrasing.
Gary has so much trouble paying attention or listening to people, that he immediately responds to your first response as if you are saying you are not his god because he has gotten burned by others on that discussion in the past : P
Maybe it's because he was talking over you a lot and because of my not seeing the conversation that occurred before this, but it did seem to me that you acknowledged stating that you're an antitheist and that you defined antitheist as one who believes there is no god. I'm glad to see people are starting to answer "no" to that question "Could you be wrong about everything you believe?"
The "Could you be wrong about...." question is absurd as asked, in that you cannot answer 'yes' without refuting yourself. (If you could be wrong about everything you claim to know, you could be wrong about being wrong about everything you claim to know). Presuppers relish pointing out the absurdities in the "atheistic worldview" (no matter how many times they are told it is not a worldview) when they are the ones inserting the absurdities into the conversation.
fsx23 CANNOT be wrong about what he believes because belief is internal. It is based on past experiences and personal feelings. The only way to be wrong about what you believe is if you suffer from serious split personality disorder. fsx23 CANNOT be wrong about what he actually knows. Knowledge is a collection of beliefs that are backed by personal experiences only. They are completely removed from personal feelings. fsx23 CAN be wrong about what he believes he knows. These are conclusions about some experiences based on interpretations of other experiences. Two unrelated experiences can be mistakenly linked or two related events can be dismissed.
g man's plastic membership card stamped by sye is all too obvious here - in order to entertain entering into a sound discussion with such a person as this g man they need first to have displayed a respect for and understanding of basic philosophical concepts, which are clearly void here - I worry too that this poor man is hovering on some sort of psychological precipice and the irresponsibility of his tribe to allow this to happen is outrageous.
should have left in the part where JUST before this happened I got interupted by him while explaining that there is no argument.. this entire trick wouldn't have worked on me and he noted it and didn't try therefor.. he cut my mic because I went over his head.
Although anti-theists may have the position that no gods exist, 'Anti-theism' is not the position that 'no gods exist' it is the position of being against theism, hence the name, 'anti-theism'. I'm an atheist, I don't accept as true the claims that gods do exist, I'm also an anti-theist too I'm against theism. Pretty simple GMan you just willfully ignore the points even though they've been explained to you many times.
I don't know if there is some kind of deity whatever it might be, but if you are asking me do I believe the Bible version of the the deity, then yes I don't believe or I reject your claim of his existence... how flipping hard is it to understand?!
Gman is so woefully uneducated. The in combination with his dishonestly makes for cringeworthy viewing. His voice sounding like that of a muppet makes anything with him in it unwatch/listenable. I recommend taking the tack that many others have of. "Be honest or be ignored"
believing there is no, does not equal that your sure, that you know, that your can come to anything definitive. in other words, G man is too dumb to understand distinctions that can make or break an argument, so he failed.
Well to be honest Alex Botten posted the hangout link when he got kicked. So basically anyone could just jump in while they were live. So I just added myself to his broadcast seeing that he really didn't know how to control his hangout. It was pretty much just me being bored on a Sunday.
Wpw Gman is dense...he asked can Farid be wrong about the fact that he doesnt believe in God LOL Of course he cant be wrong about it. But Gman thought that was a gotcha because he thought it meant Farid being wrong about the existance of God not his belief. Word games after word games
They are the weak version of already clownlike sye burgencate or what ever his name is. They some how think if u can be wrong about something then it strengthens their argument lol. But we can be wrong about allot of things doesnt tell u at all that fairies exist
Respect for having the patience to deal with G-Man. It takes so much effort to make him understanding and not twist your words, I don't think I could do it.
You cannot have an honest debate with a dishonest person, and anyone who runs with the presupp argument is being intellectually dishonest. There are better targets for your intellect than this fool fsx but I fully admire your patience in exposing him.
Not only that, but G-Man is too stupid to get the presupp argument right. Sye Ten might be dishonest, but he's not an idiot.
The worst Supp argument I've ever heard. Sye Jr?
Ozymandias Ramses II's video on presuppositional apologetics is great.
GMAAAAAAAN!
One of the signs that someone doesn't have a leg to stand on is, THEY CAN'T TALK FAST ENOUGH.
The sounds of a desperate theist. He might get so angry he will become violent.
Gary loves, "have you stopped beating your fife questions, yes or no, aka, cop class 101."
Damn, I said fife instead of wife, OH well, it is a shrill sounding instrument.
Mike Edmondson I was beginning to wonder what beef he would have with Barney Fife. lol
This "G-man" certainly wasn´t beaten up enough in school when he was a kid
you were owned by gman. g g g g g g g! maaan!
Fsx - please dumb down your responses to the likes of G man and the pretend philosophers out there. : )
Gman is unbearable... And a classic. I love him and hate him simultaneously.
blastbeatinc -- Well, I guess SOMEBODY has to like him -- AFAIC, G-Bitch is a dead loss piece of shit.
I really wish people like G-Man could understand the difference between these two statements; "I don't believe God exists" and "I believe God doesn't exist." They are two very similar sounding statements, that have very different meanings regarding what you actually believe. This entire video was a showcase for G-Man's lack of understanding regarding the differences between these two kinds of statements.
well, this is one of the most frustrating things I've seen. cudos on not going on a complete rampage. the dude is clearly too focused on his script to have a real conversation.
G-Man doesn't have the wit to pose the pre-sup argument, his approach is infantile...!
This is also such a bad tactic for gary to adopt, because he is so bad at speaking or being clear, and the Presup argument relies so critically on careful word games using specific phrasing.
that's not the answer he had on his presupp script !
Gary has so much trouble paying attention or listening to people, that he immediately responds to your first response as if you are saying you are not his god because he has gotten burned by others on that discussion in the past : P
Maybe it's because he was talking over you a lot and because of my not seeing the conversation that occurred before this, but it did seem to me that you acknowledged stating that you're an antitheist and that you defined antitheist as one who believes there is no god.
I'm glad to see people are starting to answer "no" to that question "Could you be wrong about everything you believe?"
Wow!
lol id love to troll g man
Is he airing out his bed sheets in the background?
Lol its hilarious how these rubes get frustrated when they have to go off their script
The "Could you be wrong about...." question is absurd as asked, in that you cannot answer 'yes' without refuting yourself. (If you could be wrong about everything you claim to know, you could be wrong about being wrong about everything you claim to know).
Presuppers relish pointing out the absurdities in the "atheistic worldview" (no matter how many times they are told it is not a worldview) when they are the ones inserting the absurdities into the conversation.
fsx23 CANNOT be wrong about what he believes because belief is internal. It is based on past experiences and personal feelings. The only way to be wrong about what you believe is if you suffer from serious split personality disorder. fsx23 CANNOT be wrong about what he actually knows. Knowledge is a collection of beliefs that are backed by personal experiences only. They are completely removed from personal feelings. fsx23 CAN be wrong about what he believes he knows. These are conclusions about some experiences based on interpretations of other experiences. Two unrelated experiences can be mistakenly linked or two related events can be dismissed.
james randi calls that juvenile and he don't answer juvenile questions. g-man set himself up for a smack down.
g man's plastic membership card stamped by sye is all too obvious here - in order to entertain entering into a sound discussion with such a person as this g man they need first to have displayed a respect for and understanding of basic philosophical concepts, which are clearly void here - I worry too that this poor man is hovering on some sort of psychological precipice and the irresponsibility of his tribe to allow this to happen is outrageous.
G-man seems to really want to stick with his own definition of Atheism.
It's pretty pathetic.
presuppositional apologetics........... therefore any god you believe in exists.
Meh this just another example of asking "gotcha" questions.
Dude, stay on the script!
Hahahahahahaha! :D
should have left in the part where JUST before this happened I got interupted by him while explaining that there is no argument.. this entire trick wouldn't have worked on me and he noted it and didn't try therefor.. he cut my mic because I went over his head.
GMan makes me sick to my stomach. He and Sye are unbearable
when did he run
How did you come to the conclusion that there are no leprechauns Gman? Could you be wrong about your belief in the non-existence of leprechauns?
Although anti-theists may have the position that no gods exist, 'Anti-theism' is not the position that 'no gods exist' it is the position of being against theism, hence the name, 'anti-theism'. I'm an atheist, I don't accept as true the claims that gods do exist, I'm also an anti-theist too I'm against theism. Pretty simple GMan you just willfully ignore the points even though they've been explained to you many times.
I don't know if there is some kind of deity whatever it might be, but if you are asking me do I believe the Bible version of the the deity, then yes I don't believe or I reject your claim of his existence... how flipping hard is it to understand?!
Didn't Matt from T.A.E. Rip this guy a new one?
Pretty much, GMan tried to justify slavery in the bible and got hung up on when he lied about what was directly in the bible.
Thats his stpck in trade ...word games
Classic bait and switch, from "I don't believe" to "so you believe in not?"
Gman is so woefully uneducated. The in combination with his dishonestly makes for cringeworthy viewing.
His voice sounding like that of a muppet makes anything with him in it unwatch/listenable.
I recommend taking the tack that many others have of. "Be honest or be ignored"
believing there is no, does not equal that your sure, that you know, that your can come to anything definitive. in other words, G man is too dumb to understand distinctions that can make or break an argument, so he failed.
Fsx im not even sure why you would bother with those creatrards.
Well to be honest Alex Botten posted the hangout link when he got kicked. So basically anyone could just jump in while they were live. So I just added myself to his broadcast seeing that he really didn't know how to control his hangout.
It was pretty much just me being bored on a Sunday.
***** I admire your willingness to put up with such an idiot, you have far more patience than I do. He's such a freaking moron.
Wpw Gman is dense...he asked can Farid be wrong about the fact that he doesnt believe in God LOL Of course he cant be wrong about it. But Gman thought that was a gotcha because he thought it meant Farid being wrong about the existance of God not his belief. Word games after word games
They are the weak version of already clownlike sye burgencate or what ever his name is. They some how think if u can be wrong about something then it strengthens their argument lol. But we can be wrong about allot of things doesnt tell u at all that fairies exist
they don't grasp that it's using their problem
they could be wrong !
Why can't he say "exists". He never puts an s at the end of exist no matter what. "God exist"