Cava vs. Champagne (Save $ Drink Smart!)
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2019
- In this tasting, I pop a bottle of Champagne and compare it to Spanish Cava and an Oregon sparkling wine. Full details: winefolly.com/episode/champag...
Oh oh! And since this video was published Cava has changed their aging requirements (starting in vintage 2022) - They now require 18 months of aging for Cava Reserva and they've added a few more quality classifications with shorter aging requirements.
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A lot of what goes wrong with wine drinking and wine business around the world is due to the unfortunate result of french classic marketing history. Everybody gets the impression that drinking wine is too much work, and nobody wants to be an ignorant at the table. So i love when videos show people that it's just fun, and it's not all french fancy stuff. I always tell people to stay in step one: Fruity or rough? Tannin or soft? vineyard made, or "factory to grocery store" large products? When people get that, they get enough to know: a) if it may be interesting and b) what they prefer. That's it. My largest comment so far on youtube. I love you and your book! Cheers!
Totally agree. I am always telling people that the only thing that matters in wine tasting is what they enjoy, and to NEVER let a wine professional tell them that they just haven't "understood the wine". That kind of pretentious attitude is what turns people off wine.
Its not about fancy french stuff. It's about understanding why its worth spending $50 over $25, and what you're getting for it. Champagne weather is a lot more finicky than Spain. Attaining perfect ripeness on the varietals, and Pinot is an expensive grape to grow to begin with. On top of that, very few champagne producers actually age their wine for 15 months, most spend 2-4 years in cellars. That's where the price difference kicks in.
@@maximecaffarel5641 , although i meant it as a more general comment, i stand corrected.
In respect to sparkling wine, it needs to be said that, when at the same price point, cava tends to slaughter prosecco. You can really tell that the former has undergone aging in the bottle whereas the latter has about one measly month of aging in open steel vats. Even up here in Canada where alcohol is overpriced due to being sold by a government monopoly, you can still manage to get great value in cava. Just this summer, I found this gem of a cava, 2015 vintage, at 22 $. The empyreumatic notes it boasted were properly astounding.
Hear hear. Respect. Canada.
Cava is tragically underrated, had some really lees-ey and wonderful stuff in Barca that I just can’t find here but even regular cava is DEALS here in the states. Cheers from Seattle
Methinks the actual tasting began awhile before this video was filmed.
😁 it's not first video by her then I notice that. 😁
Great job M! you're making it informative and fun!
Hay just thought I'd say thanks for all your amazing work! A new wine Folly vid always lightens up my day. Just a thought, may be at some point you could do a comparison with some Tasmanian sparkling?
Just love following you. Thanks so much for doing this.
Hi I just recently subscribed! I was wondering if you would compare anything to Dom Perignon (Champange) taste to a more economic wine? I've read plenty of articles, but since you're an expert, I defer to your thoughts and experience. I love Cava from Spain btw. I love dry sparkling wines better, but I enjoy Prosecco as well. Anyway, great channel!
Nice & fun video! I live in Penedes Wine Region, near to best cava makers, and I love cava! Here you drink it before lunch, after lunch :) There are many eco-wineries (which follows traditional methods) with cava masterclass! What I want to say is that, first: you can drink sparkling wine cheaper, second: so you get use to consume it in any occasion, third: you should come here to live it! I can give even more details for a sparkling experience!
Nice tasting, the Oregon sparkler looks interesting. Don't sleep on Limoux AOC or Trento DOC as well.
Hi there would you mind doing a video on champagne glasses like you did for reds? Including a reidel performance champagne would be fantastic!
One of my favorite things about champagne is that cheesy flavor that I haven’t really found anywhere else. I was on a budget for NYE this year and got the Argyle instead of my favorite Louis Roderer reserve, and although it was good, it was missing something for me that I hadn’t been able to put my finger on it until I saw this video. Love it!
I bought campo viejo brut. Its my 1st brut and 1st Spanish white wine. Do you think I’d like it? I heard after getting it that its “dry” and im worried now that i wont enjoy it since im more a fan of moscato and S. Blanc
Madeline, thanks for the video! I love learning about wine in a fun way, your way.
BTW, the (dark red/burgundy?) color of your top suits you very nice, good choice!
I work in wine in France (Languedoc-Roussillon) I recommend Champagne Ruinart or Louis Roederer.
In the Languedoc-Roussillon we also make sparkling wines! Crémant de Limoux
Kisses from France
Have you ever had an affordable store wine that reminds you alot of actual Champagne?
I like Ruinart, but my favourite is Bollinger☺☺😋
@@thelegendofthem6120 the Cremant de Limoux is a great option for a non Champagne sparkling wine that is more affordable
Love Crémant de Limoux!
@@commonwealpanther thank you so much!🥂
Amazing video! Keep it up! Love all this wine reviews 👍
Years ago I rented a car in Barcelona and drove around the surrounding area stopping at every vineyard I could. It was a very enjoyable few days and I tried some very interesting wines. When I returned to the United States I had to ship several cases, as well as paying to take a few with me as extra luggage. Most of them made it back just fine and for the next few months I just drained those cases, which included several Cava. The prices were awesome and the quality was just 'over the roof'. Since then I've definitely had a thing for Cava...and Catalunya. Except for a few incredible things I wasn't a huge Barcelona fan, but I was in love with Catalunya. Champagne will always be Champagne, and I love it dearly, but Cava has always been my 'go to' sparkler. Lately there have been a huge variety of diverse and incredible sparklers, from all over the place. We are truly living in the 'Golden Age' of beverages!
I love bubbles! Thanks Mads for making this vid. 🥂🍾
She's such a character, I love her videos!
Thanks again for great info! I would def. try #2 or #3 based on this. Always going to your book for info and learning as i open a new type of wine! Makes it fun to learn 🤓😍🍷📝
OMG. But #1 was so good. Even for 46.
Wine Folly oh I am sure it’s delicious! Ok I’ll get it for a special occasion 😍💞
Thanks for another great video. Do you ever drink sparklers from Burgundy stems? I switched to using Zalto Burg stems. I use them for red and white Burgs so it made sense from a varietal perspective to use them for Champagne. I much prefer it now. Cheers!
Timothy Hansen those are pretty big boys! I noticed a sizable drop off in bubble finesse over the hour it took to record this video. So, I imagine it would be similar for you too! Still, nothing wrong with drink bubbles out of a burg class, it’s like taking a bath in Cava! 😆
@@Winefolly Yes you lose a little fizz. But honestly young grower Champagne (to me) is aggressively fizzy! It either needs a little age or a big ass glass!
what do I think? well it's hard to compare cars and pasta as it is champagne to cava.... and btw you mentioned Prosecco but only featured the oragon sparkling wine..... so I don't know / they are very different and fun to taste them side by side for sure... between the level of bubbles, clean dry aspects it's all very hard to say and thusly why when asked what is. my favorite wine, I would say the next one :)
Can you aged theses wines
Always enjoy your insight and enthusiasm. Has Franciacorte begun to make its presence known in the USA?
Unfortunately not, but what a treat!
What is actually the reason that most champagne uses some percentage of red wine grapes and why is blanc de blanc often more expensive?
Love your videos
Cool video! Instructive and entertaining. The camera loves you, you know.
I'm from Barcelona, where cava is indeed a big thing. Last summer I visited the Alta Alella winery, where they make the cava you're showing here. It's a hilly terrain, but very close to the sea. I don't remember trying the cava, though it's likely we did. I do remember their Pansa Blanca (A.K.A. xarel·lo - pronounced "shar-AIR-loo") white wines the region is most famous for and some Monastrell reds. Alella is, I think, the only region in Catalonia where Monastrell grapes are still called Mataró.
Keep up the good work!
I've been stumbling over that pronunciation for YEARS. TY. Go go Barcelona. Thanks for sharing!
Catalan Cava is one of the best sparkling drinks, forget Italy and France. Here in Catalonia we have awesome Cavas for 5€ (Brut Nature).
Hi nationalist. 🤡
Nice video..
Why you didn't compare a Prosseco from it's original place of origin like the other two?
The Prosecco grapes used to make the wine were grown in Oregon, and a traditionale methode was used. The geographical location of the wines production would have no impact on the taste or quality of the wine so why are you asking?
@@paulk2560 "The geographical location of the wines production would have no impact on the taste or quality of the wine so why are you asking?" Really? You need to go out there (of your usa little world) and try not only wine, but different fruits and vegetables and I hope you will see / taste the differences!
@@alekshernandez2 lol except im not from the usa so you're wrong again.
I'm watching this video enjoying a brazilian wine made in the tradicional method (Chardonay and Pinot Noiiiir 😂). Broke my heart seeing you spit the champagne in the mug, if you know the prices in third world haha...
how about champagne vs cremant
Brought back a bottle of Cava from Spain and opened it Jan 1 2020...the only good thing about 2020 so far lol
Hey Madeleine, lovely video. I'm a wine enthusiast but I live in India, which has a very limited imported wine selection (local ones are very good, mind you) which costs a fortune (a 10$ wine will sell at 25$ here because gOvErNmEnT, which also happens to be a substantial chunk of my wage to spend on a bottle). Now my question is, is there any way you could suggest me to get as much exposure to wine as possible being as frugal as possible?
Shreeraj Salunke You guys are in the nascent stage of a massively growing wine industry and buying market. I wonder how much Australia is bringing in? There is some good juice from there. This is a really tricky question to answer. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of what you see isn’t that great.
@@Winefolly your suspicion is correct. Yellow tail and Jacob's creek retails for around 15$
I love CAVA BUT only the cheapest one that I can find!!! It’s called Campo Viejo Brut Rose. I think it’s only like $8 a bottle before discounts! Other more expensive ones I didn’t see what was better! Cava’s have that little bitter note to them. I’m chilling a bottle now!
It's actually pretty tasty, it's a great starting spot for Cava - I would encourage you to try a Reserva Cava - from a single vintage to step out of the comfort zone. you can find them for around $16-$25 these days :) Good luck!
Madeline, what are your thoughts on Gruet's lineup of sparklers? Very easy on the wallet, but how's the quality? New Mexico!
El Pogiguy Gruet is top notch, so much better and more like real Champagne than the Argyl, which is shouldn’t be in this tasting.
Had em before, and have been a fan even after they sold (Gallo? Someone correct me!). will need to get some of their higher tier offerings though. That Champagne I had was pretty top notch. Way better than Nicky Foo
Wine Folly Gruet site still claims they are “family owned.” “Partnership” with Precept Wines in Seattle announced in 2014. Precept site lists Gruet and also says they are “family owned.”
Whatever that means these days......
Currently on Temporary active duty for 5 months living in a hotel. So getting to good wine is kinda hard. Can't wait to get back to my normal living situation to get back to my wine game.
USPATRIOT99 you got this! 🤘
Sparkling wine is so confusing to me. Thanks for the video. Wife and I found Treveri Cellars out of Yakima produces several unique sparkling wines. My favorite from them was a sparkling reisling and the worst was a sparkling syrah.....and I'm a syrah guy...
I'm going to search for that cava though and give it a try. Thanks for the video.....
BTW, your first book is ALWAYS my first reference book I reach for when I want to know something about wine. Thank you for that as well.
There are all kinds of great, reasonably priced sparkling wines being made around the world now. France makes some lovely Crémant wines from Burgundy and a host of other regions that can drink like Champagne for a fraction of the cost. California also makes some lovely bubblies in the cooler regions like Anderson Valley & Carneros.
Every time I watch one of her videos I expect her gesticulation is going to knock glasses and bottles in all directions!
Oregon is a gem of wine industry in US, so elegant and amazing wines they make.
Cremant... ever since we got a few bottles in Loire, my wife is always hunting for it.
I've kind of stopped drinking Prosecco and other Charmat method sparkling wine, as I feel for just a few dollars/euros more you can get a nice Cremant (Reserve) or Cava (Reserva). I also really enjoy MCC from South Africa and Trentino DOC espumante, but those are rare in Asia. Glad to hear that Madeline is from Oregon, I have a lot of respect for Oregon winemakers. They seem to be much more terroir respectful and trying to make wines that reflect their soils and environments. Ditto for Washington and the Finger Lakes. I think American wines get a bad reputation due to a fair few California wine makers making overly alcoholic, over extracted and oaky wines. There seems to be a movement in Cali away from that, but it's gaining pace rather slowly, it seems
Omg 😱 I never noticed the rating on cava. This changed everything.
we learn by gettihg sloshed , i love this channel , love wine folly ,, bizarrly there ie a wine in australia called wine folly ,how bizarre
I should be the last person to correct the author of wine folly…but a folly none the less. Cava Reserva requires 18 months on the lees, not 15 months 😅.
Don’t hurt me. I only know cause I just pulled it from my wine Bible. I’m deep diving Cava right now cause I love it.
Yes, it looks like some changes have occurred in both Champagne and Cava since this video was published :) - we’ll have to correct the website too! Thanks!
The rules changed in 2022 - with some additional aging classifications as well. :)
Hey girl how are you!
bugger proseco ,, my choice is cava or champagne
The best cava are from Almendralejo, Extremadura or Castilla -Leon
Please do right a right bank and a left bank Bordeaux! Preferably a st emilion.
I like Andre Cold Duck.
You spat out champagne, but swallowed Cava!
No, didn't know that Oregon was your home state. The red, white and sparkling wines of the "Beaver State" have been a continual source of delight for me over the last year. And I'm finding that, for the most part, NV French Champagnes have a sour component to them, especially in the finish, that I find unpleasant. Maybe if I could afford $200 a bottle, it would be different. Cheers.
BEAVER BELIEVER. They actually used to have t-shirts that said that! hahahaha. Meanwhile, yes, you'll find one. I'm not sure how much you'll spend. Have you had Deutz? wow was that Gaston C. tasty stuff.
One of my best pals is from Beaverton and we got a lot comedy of mileage out of that. Thanks for the tip. I'll give Deutz a try. I'm looking for a present for a lady friend who loves the bubbles. (as the poet Ogden Nash once wrote: Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.) All Best.
Heard sparkling wine was made by British before French. As someone whose neither, what the Brits say sounds legit. What are your thoughts?
uberminseok23 I have 2 bottles waiting!!!!!
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$22! Sounds like in the US you get a massive import tax. In UK we can get palatable cavas for less than equivalent £10 or about $13.
It's still expensive. I can buy for 6€. 😁
Great video!
TY! :)
I feel like I’m listening to my drunk book club friends. I love what you’re saying, and what I’m learning, just wish I didn’t question your creds because of your on camera antics.
I dont use the vernacular that you do not because i cant but because i dont want to. What you say smells like cheese or formage i say smells like feet.
hahahaha. great
U drunnnnkkkk ??
I'm drunk even when I'm sober (which I was during this particular segment). Life is very intoxicating.
Anything sparkling is a girls best friend!
THIS IS ONE WOMAN I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE A BOTTLE OF KRUG CLOS DE MESNIL , NUF SAID , THOSE THAT KNOW ,KNOW ,
Putting Argyl up against the Gaston Chiquet is like comparing a Big Mac to a meal at a bouchon Lyonnaise.
Andrew Yarosh 😂 so funny. So so funny. That GC was really fantastic
Big Macs are fucking awesome.
I guess this pretty lady started shooting this video after she had tested a couple of those bottles behind the scenes))
I'd only drink real champagne with u not wine darling no wine......I'm stuck in a computerised town at the moment so recomputerise
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