Germany is known as "the unfunny pop clown" around these parts, Lord of the Lost had the right idea, It just happened to not go as well as people expected.
Germany needs to wake up from the delusion that 'radio friendliness' is a recipe for success in Eurovision. It really isn't at all. Germany would have been a steady NQer hadn't it been for being a Big Five country. Michael Schulte in 2018 was an exception only because of the backstory and sincere delivery. And unfortunately Jendrik in 2021 was quirky but also too silly in a dated Eurovision 00's 'troll entry' way and a waste of opportunity to show his apparent talent.
While this is true we did send "I dont fee hate" and last year was not exactly a pop song and it wasnt bad either. I agree that the song this year is very boring and we really need to experiment more with different genres but it would be unfair tp say they didnt try at all
i agree and would personally support to end the big 5 system of automatical qualfication. there has a huge division happend in between what the german eurofans and public would want and what the german broadcaster decides to let to the NF each year. LotL was a huge win for the fans. Unfortunately that year the televoters threw all their votes on käärja to tank the leaked jury vote for loreen instead of splitting the points across multiple artists as in most other years. So the broadcaster could paddle back to radio friendly pop only.
Last year Germany tried, because the official voting was not hosted by the TV channel NDR as in the years where Stefan Raab wasn't involved, but we had a chance to vote via TikTok. However the artists who showed interest in the last years that could've potentional had been disqualified by the NDR as like the band Electric Callboy, because apparently a international famous Metalband was seen by the NDR as a "bad choice" or cause the voting process to pick the right artist to go to the show was a fail as seen in the year where Germany send Elaiza who had been a big flop, cause only after the ESC it came out that the phone-votes had a problem by not having let all votes go trought properly, that caused people to be quit mad since the majority of people actually voted that Germany would be represented by the Sea Shanty band Santiano, however that didn't happend. Santiano would've been the perfect candidate for that year, but however it didn't happend and so we sended a female band that had the most boring song ever. Germany actually did this mistake more than once, because other artists who are quit unique and interesting had been let down, mainly due to the NRD taking in and telling them no for some reasons. 2008 for example the NDR told a gothic-styled pop-rock band who sung in English, altho they got the most telephone-votes, they can't let them go to the ESC due to their "too weird" appearance and instead they sended the girlgroup No Angels, who sung their worst song on the ESC in that year. It's frustrating if you see how much potential German music has, but the right people either don't apply for the ESC or get told no by the NDR.
Everything Stefan Raab touches turns to gold. So many TV shows, so many hits. Every Eurovision song he that he was a part of in some sort made the top 10. You still feel the gap he left in German TV since his departure. He just has a feeling for what works. Also the NDR which‘s now in charge of selectinh the ESC act, doesn‘t want to win. „Everything but first“… They need to get away from their radiofriendliness. Nowadays radio is something that plays in the background and nobody really actively listens to. Being radiofriendly is a bonus (like Tattoo) but not the main criteria to select your entry.
As a German born in 1988, my first memory of Eurovision is indeed Guildo Horn. And Böörti Böörti Vogts brought me right back into my childhood, so thank you for that! I think the contest has changed, so I actually don't know how successful Raab would be nowadays. Then again, we're already at the bottom, can't get much worse, so I'd fully support another try. Having someone who's passionate about music and Eurovision might be the first step out of the dark. I don't expect Germany to be another Italy or Sweden, but some breadcrumbs would be nice, so let him try all right.
We already recorded a big riff on this in the upcoming Croatia video. YES they should have. It's crazy they didn't even let them compete in the selection show. That alone should have disqualified the broadcaster from running this process anymore. -MB
This will go down as the absolute most stupidly thick misjudgment by whoever at ARD/NDR was responsible. Like, they had it in their hands at sending one among the most influential songs in terms of updating the contemporary quality of the entire contest and botched it in truest ARD/NDR fashion.
That wasn't possible this year because the national radio stations selected the candidates. In any other country, EC would have applied again next year, but in Germany they are offended and want nothing more to do with the ESC. That's why we now see so many EC clones at the ESC but probably never the original again.
One thing I would like to add to Stefan's legacy was the bundesvision song contest (or BuViSoCo for short) that was a yearly thing more or less until Stefans on-screen TV retirement, stepping back into the background and producing shows rather than hosting. I feel like this always was Stefans idea for a national final, as every state of the 16 federal states in Germany was to compete and the state winning had to be the next years host state. The lineup were quirky local newcomers AND some of Germany's hottest acts. And the venues were on eurovision level in size.
imagine if Stefan Raab revived Bundesvision and made it an official Eurovision preselection show with Eurovision rules for the songs and stagings. that will be quite amazing.
@@a.m.rifkia.3rd493 that would be really cool, tho i think prosieben didn't have enough budget to do the show year after year with this scale. which was one of the reasons it fell apart after raabs tv retirement. And a kind of disappointing tv rating in the last years, which i can get because it was going to get a bit predictable who wins with the big names.
Raab was the Stig Anderson of Germany - had a plan, executed it to perfection. I used to watch Raab's TV show when I lived in Hungary, he's such a funny, talented guy. Of course he was also lucky to find such a talented performer as Lena. Her Eurovision performance has always seemed a bit odd to us here in Britain, with its affected vocal style, but she has shown now through a long career that she was no flash in the pan.
The state of affairs re: German Eurovision direly needs to change. However, I'm a bit wary of Stefan Raab being the savior ex machina that people make him out to be. His merits for German ESC between 1998 to 2011 asside, I think the contest itself has changed immensely (increasing quality for the past 8 - 10 years), as has the Zeitgeist and I'm doubtful Raab would be up to find the right tone for contemporary ESC. Like many other Germans, my pick would definitely be Jan Boehmermann, but due to him being contracted to ZDF, the second public broadcasting house in vicious competition with the ARD, it seems unlikely to happen. The ARD is like a toxic lover when it comes to ESC: they hate doing it, hate putting effort and investment in but they want to keep exclusively reaping the benefits of the high marketshares in viewership and the desirable age bracket of 14 - 29 yrs, both of which are rare commodities for rusty ´dusty ARD and offers them significant advantages in budget allocations and relevance arguments. And so they jealously hang on to keeping ESC under their exclusive umbrella while investing near naught into the overall production of the German NF and the German delegation. All that said and seeing that the ARD will continue to be very reluctant to let anyone from the outside, be it Raab or Boehmermann or me (honestly, this is one of my grandiose wet nightmares, hehe), I have to add that only a scenario of absolute ground zero could get things in motion towards change. I know that another federal regional broadcasting house is going to take over German delegation from the NDR next year, and while I wouldn't rule out that this might bring some improvement, I don't harbor much hope. As long as the ARD is in charge, the same systemic nonsense will continue, making it hard even for the best-intentioned regional broadcaster and even the highest motivated team on the German delegation to fight successfully the uphill battle against the ARD structures and mindset.
If you refer for the ESC NF going to the MDR, i heard this was just a rumour and the MDR actually wouldnt want to take it. (i think it was Der dunkle Parabelritter in einem Q&A after joining the MDR for funk). ZDF and Böhmermanns production company would be my absolute favourite in this. I just "fear" (i really hope the best for him, but for the matter) Isaak will lift germany up to the last third of ranks by jury and ARD will sell this as an absolute proof of their strategy working in an upwarts trend, such no action would be required.
@@muffimonkey5065 Yes, I commented much the same to another comment below: if and when Isaak performs better than, say, above the third-to-last score, the ARD will "sell" this as a proof of their (non-existent) concept and reason to carry on as usual. I also believe that Isaak will indeed perform much better: there is a sort of redemption arc to be fulfilled after many Eurofans feel LotL got severely robbed last year, also, the song itself isn't bad and will find its voters and lastly, there isn't anywhere near the same voting bloodbath (Finland vs. Sweden drawing basically all points in a shootout, leaving crumbs for the rest), so I think Isaak has a fair shot at making it out of the bottom-est bottom. And the ARD will swiftly declare their way the highway and the sad status quo remains... As for the rumors about MDR or not: while I believe MDR to be the worst choice, there are many arguments in favor of MDR but too many to discuss here. If it goes to WDR, rbb or BR etc. doesn't really matter because it's the actual internal ARD structure that's the main problem.
@@cendrapolsner8438 WDR might be my favorite of the ARD-Stations. Because of the sheer size of the Station, they might have access to a much bigger, more divers, younger talent pool, than for examples MDR, also because the Region they are covering, IS the most populated, and includes important cultural centres as Cologne or the Ruhrvalley... I fear the MDR, because of they affiliation to "old people's Schlager", but at this point every change is positive.
Perfect timing because it was just announced that Stefan Raab has new plans for the German national final. I support that although I rather have someone younger than him, his legacy is already big enough. In my generation, born around 1990, most of the people have Guildo Horn & Stefan Raab in mind when talking about Eurovision and what their first memory of it is. And did I understood the ending of the video right? Our only hope for Eurovision is our HUMOR? Europe, beware!
He is kind of an asshole though. For some time, his modus operandi was to turn out of context sentences that happened to be caught on camera into pop hits. He did that to ex-Chancellor Schröder (who could handle it) but then to some random woman who wasn't famous at all. So he made people go viral with cringe videos before that was a thing.
Germany should do like The Netherlands and select a song that could do good in the final. They have a problem with their broadcaster for the selection of the song for the final and the selection for the act that wins. The final is on a friday late night for a radio friendly song in Germany. The time is too late and on a friday gives a different feeling instead of a saturday.
the plothole in your take is that the broadcaster would be the one selecting the song, so this year they likely had picked ISAAK or max mutzke in an internal selection as well. i was listening to NDR2 the day after the final and the radio moderation accidentally announced max mutzke as the winner.. so i guess he was up on the board house internally.
@@muffimonkey5065 not necessarily. If they focused their entire energy on an internal selection, my guess is they would establish an entirely new jury, that would hopefully be headed by someone who gets Eurovision a little better. As much as you can criticise the NDR for their song selection, they do have a good team reporting on Eurovision (though they did cut out the song-checks this year, which I still haven't forgiven them for). So, I believe if they just let the right people take over the selection process it might be possible. But in the end, there is a very large part of the NDR that honestly just doesn't care about Eurovision, at least that's my impression. And neither do any of the other broadcasters under the ARD
@@minimi870 hope dies last, but i honestly just have the impression that the NDR/ARDs interest is only to "get it done" as good as neccessary, but without passion or any vision, but definitivly detached from what the contest actually is (now)
@@muffimonkey5065 yeah, that's definitely my impression, too. And I mean I don't really blame them? If you don't care about something you don't care about it. Nothing you can do. But I wish they would at least put someone in charge who does care. It cannot honestly be that hard. Except, if you don't care you of course also don't care to put someone in charge who does. And that's kind of where my understanding ends.
I don't want to be blunt, but "I don't feel hate" was painful, honestly. Okay, the music itself was funny and kinda nice. But the passive-aggressiveness of that song, and the dancing middle finger... Maybe that's just me.
I still remeber the time where the big youth radio stations did campaign for Gulido Horn, it was a massive campaign. Before Guildo Horn the ESC was perceived in Germany as a contest exclusively for "old people's" Schlager ( it was a bit before the dominance of the so called "Ballerman-Schlager" made Schlager more accessible for younger audiences), so Stefan Raab used all his Media Presence and Influence on younger audiences and mobilised this people for Guildo Horn. So I think Stefan Raabs sucess in Germany was, at least in the beginning, mostly due to his massive presence on tv (his own show) and radio ( which wad still very important in the late 90ies in Germany) and the fact that he made the contest interesting for younger people.
I remember rewatching ESC2011 and in the SF they made a joke about naming things that don't go together, as a way to introduce the next interval; a DJ and traditional music. Then he says "Women and Technology" while the female host held the microphone upside down and the entire crowd started booing
The ESC has changed a lot in the 10 years since Raab was active, and his humour and entertainment ideas already wasnt doing great before he decided to retire. There was an attempt a couple years ago to make some sort of national songcontest („Free European Song Contest“), but that one was so filled with typical Raab era stereotype jokes that it was nothing but a cringefest. I do think fondly of the zeitgeist of that time, but the world changed and people already are cringing out and complain about the same type of much tamer jokes the NDR at current does. So "more funny" alone made by Stefan Raab wouldnt solve anything imo. I personally think the main issues germany has with placing, lies within the system of broadcaster editorial team and jury who pick just the most uncompetetive songs for the NF and insist that no one but them knows any better, reducing the selection to pop music only, as other genres are reported to not fit the personal taste of some of the decision makers. And oc that angers eurofans that see another contries entry being kicked out in the semis while germany hogs a guaranteed place in the final with something at best mediocre. The NF itself circles around the moderator gossiping with persons that are there as guests that have no relation to the ESC whatsoever. The artists are in the background until they have their song, and risk being joked upon right after their entry by the moderation. The stage is inadequate to show the relations of the actual ESC final, as its so much smaller and will not reflect to the big stage and audience that has to be filled with the song and performance to stick out. So in terms of production of the show, i do see hope in changing broadcasters, production and concept. Also having a musician as head of production might finally put the actual contestors and their songs into the focus of the show. Also this might finally offer a chance for actual popular genres like hiphop/rap, or open the door for anything rock/metal/punk, finally. It of course risks to lose more artistic approaches (like Ryk) as we know from for example serVia, but that would be something the public broadcasters could cover. As far as i have read, Raab offered a split show concept to 4 big german TV stations, the public broadcasters ARD(NDR) and ZDF, and two privates RTL and Pro7/Sat.1. The idea is to let each of them organize one semi-final and then have a national final with the winners of each of the 4 shows. The public broadcasters seem to be interested, while the privates are not sure what they would gain from this cause ARD would sent the NF as well as the ESC in any case. So its to see on where this might go. (source: rollingstone.de, esc-kompakt.de) At all the contract with the NDR will run out in 2025, and i HOPE WITH ALL OF MY HEART, that german entertainer and moderator Jan Böhmermann for the ZDF will take the show in his hands. Hes already commenting the contest for radio, and made a satiric song about germanys constant last placement ("Allemagne Zero Points (Official Release)" - Jan Böhmermann | ZDF Magazin Royale: ruclips.net/video/_zfnlkiPCVA/видео.html ). He has a very good editoral team for music and as a singer himself im convinced he will fit the CURRENT zeitgeist in creating a show and picking or writing good music for the CURRENT ESC. 🙏 Sorry for the essay, thanks for reading! If you made it this far please know that you are the most amazing person ever
7:03 If Overthinking It only made videos nerding out about Eurovision, dayenu. If they had only had some jokes thrown in there, dayenu. If they had only occasionally sprinkled in some Jewish cultural references where you wouldn't quite expect it, dayenu. BUT MATT BELINKIE ALSO RECEIVED A "SPECIAL THANK YOU" IN MY LSAT PREP BOOK! Definitely my favorite RUclips channel, hands down.
Uhmm... watch it if you want. I'm not sure how well translations work, though, since there is a lot of double entendre and just... way of speaking that makes up a lot of the fun, so I'm unsure how well it would translate for a non-native speaker
Stefan Raab is an absolute beloved - he is the manifestation of "where there is a will, there is a way"... he brought Eurovision to Germany and any episode of Schlag den Raab is also proof! :D
@@overthinkingit no problem! I’m the guy from Reddit btw, in case you weren’t sure who I was. Definitely add a good mic to your shopping list. I’m sure there are a lot of good ones out there that’ll meet your budget. I would personally stay away from Blue/Logitech - even though I bought a Yeti X last June. The popularity of their mic’s 10 years ago has sadly gone to their heads. If I could do it over again, I would probably go with a Rode NT1 and a Scarlet Solo
I do wonder what your thoughts are on Isaak and "Always On The Run"? I looked it up, and if Germany comes last in the final this year also, then they will make history as the first ever country to get last 3 years in a row! 😲
I know this will sound harsh, but if Isaak scores any higher than, say, 3rd to last, the ARD/NDR will have the advantage of sayin: "Hey! See? Not that bad after all! We might as well continue business as usual." And I promise, it will get even worse from then on. The ARD will persist doing their low-invest/high-return policy with investing the least into the NF and German delegation while reaping the cream of the high broadcasting marketshare and any change to any regional broadcasting house (worst of all: MDR) will not change that. So, unfortunately, while I wish no ill on Isaak and am kinda "meh" okay with the song itself, I'd prefer another scoring disaster for a chance of the status quo changing at least somewhat.
"This guy may be your only hope" sounded like a Star Wars reference when the video had Star Trek mentioned. But I am probably overthinking it!!! :D I do hope though that this channel lives long and prospers!
I‘m so sorry but at some point of the video i was like who is this „Rob“ he is talking about all the time? Did he mix up Stefans name? 😂😅 German native speaker here 🙋♂️
I live in Germany and used to love his (Stefan Raab's) humour as well as his Eurovison contributions. They were not just "nonsense songs", they had something :) On the other side, two years ago almost nobody in Germany could understand Konstrakta. That says a lot about them losing the compass
@@muddyfeet69 Not true. She has humour and irony and is talking about different social issues as well as mental health and ridiculousness of modern life. There are many layers in her songs as well as the staging, it is pure art. She has staged her acoustic version of In corpore sano as The last supper of Jesus and 12 apostoles with the imagery of renaissance painters. I feel sorry that you don't understand her (and people from Azerbaijan for example do, see them dancing to the song here on youtube). Conan I remember very well and it seems to me that only Portuguese people can understand him, I don't. They almost sent something similar this year (some guy Borsch), but fortunately decided for Iolanda. If you want to understand Konstrakta better, look at her other songs too (with translations!), then you will realise that it is far from nonsense, on the contrary.Lots of good music too. She has a band Zemlja gruva (Grooveland) so check their songs too. Zemlja gruva - Django (live!) Zemlja gruva - Tuga (Sadness) Zemlja gruva - Nisam znala da sam ovo htela (Didn't know I wanted this) Her song Žvake (Bubblegums) talking about inutile positive thinking coachings and religion, whereas people continue to struggle in their daily lives. Her song Evo obećavam (Here I promise) about anxiety and depression, great video btw Her song Nemam šamana (I don't have a shaman/guru), about esoteric nonsense Her 3 songs from Triptih (The first talking about inevitability of aging, the second about mental health should be more important than looks - In corpore sano - and third Mekano - On the soft - about numbing daily/yearly schedule of a bored middle class couple). Especially the acoustic piano version of Mekano as well as acoustic version (all sitting at the dinner table) of In corpore sano. But first start with Zemlja Gruva Django live, you might find some great music to marvel at. Open your mind and good luck.
-@@egyptianhibiscus9203- if you don't understand the language and see her performance on that big final night for the first time, you'll wonder, "What's that lady doing there?" Wash your hands all the time?”
@@muddyfeet69 Well then the easiest way is to always watch Sweden - they sing ordinary pop songs in English and brain cells can rest :) I tried to explain to you that there is much more behind that hand washing. Also mostly the songs have English subtitles
As a person from Switzerland I'd have to add: he did not only these things, but Stefan Raab is also responsible for one of Switzerland's most successful musicians. Stefanie Heinzmann won his singing competition back in the day :)
Funny thing about Raab conducting the orchestra in 1998 was that the song was entirely a backing track, the orchestra didn't play a single note. He just really wanted to take the traditional conductors bow that had been in every contest up until that point.
Stefan Raab wanting to get involved in German NF again? he better does it well and be the German version of Christer Björkman. however, it will take a few years to work; Christer Björkman started in 2002 with mixed results until their NQ in 2010. it only started to work in 2011 when they got third place and then continued with the victory in 2012. since then, they more often have got top 10 (only twice they slipped in 13 years, in 2013 and 2021).
If raab can reinstate a mello-like contest that builds up hype for not just the national Songs but what also is a vehicle for promoting the brand as a whole in Germany, making the contest cool again, I would be all for it!
To answer your end card joke more seriously than you asked for, Traumschiff Surprise was a successful in cinemas. But I don't think it's worth watching, to be honest. It has its moments, but it's a really flat parody most of the time. It's the moviefication of a series of clips in the comedy show Bullyparade, and it rests a lot on gay stereotypes. If I really had to recommend a Michael Bully Herbig film, it would be Der Schuh des Manitu, a parody of Western movies. But even that film, you can take it or leave it, you know. But speaking of which, the funniest German parody film I can think of would be Der Wixxer. It's a comedy version of Edgar Wallace- movies. But as far as I can tell, only the sequel "Neues vom Wixxer" got translated to English as "The Vexxer", and I feel the language barrier, the missing cultural context and the different zeitgeist make it not as funny any more.
Yeah I mean a lot of spoof movies can be taken with a grain of salt and there are definitely some stereotypes the early movies by Bully portraits that definitely aged like milk. The slapstick and pun humor that still is so great in films like the naked gun movies still make it a great spoof to watch at times.
Yes you are definitely in the minority with that kind of wasted empathy! He himself thought that his song would fit at Eurovision and he made the decision to apply for the national selection! Nobody forced him per gun point to expose himself to the notoriously vicious ESC fan base. If he had made beforehand put some effort at his research about the Contest, for example what kind of songs and artists usually become fan favorites and get admired,he hat noticed its definitely not the introverted emo chubby typ with a boring guitar song (which way too much sounds like a bad sequel of „take me to church„) quintessential singing about him not having the courage, stamina and determination to get something done and instead usually choosing to run away (great massage! 💀)
@@PPfilmemacher I think you mistake the 2024 entry to the flop from 96 since the 96-flop was a techno Europop song with German and English lyrics that the ESC didn't liked in that year
@@PPfilmemacher I respect your opinion and all, but, wasted empathy? You might had forget that there was only 100% jury voting in 1996. That always been the case in almost every year pre-1996. 1997 onwards is way different than pre-1996 due to the introduction of the televote, which Leon would definitely have more success on. Planet of Blue is a more televote-friendly song than every song in Eurovision 1996 (excluding UK due to having more jury votes than Leon), compared of being a jury song. Infact, Germany was one of the few national finals that year that had 100% televote. This affected the results, especially due to how the jury is most frequently dominated that year. The only country that gave Leon points in the Pre-Qualification round was the UK, giving them 10 points. As insult to injury, he tried representing again the following year but got 2nd on its national final. Germany as a whole also was the reason the Pre-Qualification round took place due to bad placement in 1995. If the relegation system was still in place, Leon would still be participating barely. Changing an song or knowing what the song contest even is wouldn’t affect anything. Comparing to recent examples of last places, that are usually ballads, radio rock, or rock that makes Germany in the bottom of the scoreboard. Leon isn’t a professional. He simply sent the best song for televoters, but at the absolutely wrong time.
I need to say we need to let Raab go, in Germany he is Highly overrated, as my Personal Opinion, but putting some comedians in charge would be a great idea! personally, I would think Jan Böhmermann would work in today's time more than Raab, and he also showed interested in it in his Podcast. Last year and this year he moderated together with Oli Schulz, a Singer/Songwriter, the ESC for FM4 from the Austrian Public broadcasting. Raab is old media I dont think we need more old a like stuff but should try new things out.
agreed, I've checked out of German culture roughly 20 years ago and still feel the Raab-fatigue 🤭 obviously, I don't know who Jan Böhmermann is, but anything new and fresh has to be better than going back.
Jan Böhmermann made some really good songs in their own right! "Warum hört der Fahrradweg einfach hier auf?" is really interesting musically, and also from the music video. I can recommend. And "Ich hab Polizei" is a clever twist on gangster rap. (I mean, the less gangster rap we have, the better, but you know...)
@@efi3825 I appreciate the recommendations, but I just can't listen to German music anymore. even just listening to the language being spoken is difficult for me, there is a very specific way it has to be done for me to not cringe into a parallel bubble universe of ancestral shame 👀
Böhmermann also did the wonderful Alemagne Zero Points last year (before Eurovision) which is hilarious and his hosting of Magazin Royal is really good as well 🙂
For context: Dreamship Surprise was a cinematic adaptation of a series of sketches from the Bullyparade, created by Michael Bully Herbig, who plays “Mr. Spuck” (=“Mr. Spit” instead of “Spock”). The sketches were called “Unser Traumschiff” (Our Dreamship). The movie went beyond the sketches, pitting a Kirk’s Enterprise with an all-gay crew against a Star Wars Empire comprised of former human colonists from Mars, trying to invade Earth because it’s more comfortable. The main cast then has to travel back in time to prevent Mars from being colonised in the first place. Mr. Spuck also made a re-appearance in Stefan Raab’s surrogate contest “Free ESC” in 2020, created as a substitute for real Eurovision having been cancelled that year. The Free ESC continued the trend of inviting non-European countries, like Australia, to the show - by deciding to have a representative for the Moon. That was Germany’s 2004 representative Max Mutzke, disguised as an astronaut (the song is called “Back to the Moon”), in reference to the music show “The Masked Singer”. Mr. Spuck (=Michael Bully Herbig) was the one who announced the points for the Moon from a space station.
Germany had it perfectly right with their 2013 national final. It was chock full of bangers. Cascada ultimately coming 21st when even the ESC betting community speculated it as a possible top 5 was a travesty. Germany's never been quite as good since. I want to see them try the Italy France trick, and play up to their national stereotypes. Send some German language housewife-schlager, some techno, some Kraftwerk-inspired weirdness, heck even a Bavarian novelty act. Lord of the Lost tried the Rammstein vibe and it didn't work, but Germany has other options and lots of great music to offer. Enough of the X Factor ballads.
"Lord of the Lost tried the Rammstein vibe"?? I can't even begin to think in what way. Did they sing in German? No. Did they do a song in the style of Rammstein's Neue Deutsche Härte genre? No - LOTL's 'style' over their 15 years of existence is wonderfully genre-fluid. In the eponymous album from which "Blood and Glitter" was chosen, they were flirting with a Glam Rock / New Romantics vibe (you could never accuse Rammstein of that). Were they even a 6-piece? No (not at that time, anyway). Are they from the same era? No, again - singer Chris Harms is the oldest band member and he was 14 when Rammstein formed in 1994; guitarist Pi Stoffers was 1. I happen to love the music of both bands, BTW ... but there is no similarity.
as a German the "fun not too serious" songs are the reason many of us are embarassed and it's a pain still having to see these bad performances (some exceptions) every year because of the big five rule... we know we deserve the low number of points we often get
Look, I understand the points you are making. But as a German, I can tell you that his humour in his comedy shows was always built on putting small people, disadvantaged people down and ridiculing them (as was nationally and internationally the zeitgeist in the period of time he was most successful). For many people, a lot of that has been blown over by nostalgia, but I think a lot of his stuff just wouldn't work anymore today, and I'm not sure if he himself would get that.
Yeah, you make a good point. I believe after the Lisa Loch scandal he has matured at least a little bit, and I bet he has enough awareness to treat things differently today. But it is something I always have at the back of my head about him.
Well while i think that we live in insane woke times nowadays i agree some of his stuff didn't age well. I am perfectly sure Stefan is smart enough to find a midground between cancel culture and BS like this Lisa Loch story.
@@whatever1661 he produced the "Free European Song Contest" a couple years ago, following the same humour, so i sadly doubt that... like haha in country x bean soup exists, x people fart a lot... haha..haha.. same videoclip 100 times until everyone on stage died of cringe
@@whatever1661 Raab did so much for the german esc, no doubt about that! My only fear would be that if he returns and tries to get back to where he left he could easily shatter his legacy and become a second Ralph Siegel
Yeh it's a pity Böhmermann did this only for a joke and not sendet it in. Böhmermann has fans all over europe and he knows how to do a show. This song would have performed quite well i bet.
OMG YES YOU HAVE TO WATCH TRAUMSCHIFF SURPRISE!!! I‘m actually swiss (german) and grew up with that movie, still one of my favourites of all time. Yet the humor is veery cheesy, kinda weird and sometimes homophobic, but as a gay person myself I don‘t care 🎉🎉
I would not recommend watching dreamship surprise, it has aged a bit poorly. It pains me to say that, cause it's a very iconic childhood movie, but a lot of the laughs in the movie just came from "gay stereotypes" so watching it today is sure to make you cringe.
I never watched Traumschiff Surprise as a child, but Schuh des Manitu was and still is a staple. In that movies case, I think it's still watchable because while there's a lot of stereotypes, Winnetouch is never excluded by the other characters. It's kinda comforting in a weird way to see him be himself and it not be a negative thing in universe (from what I remember). I get why opinions on it vary though.
@@emdove Thats a really nice perspective on it, I appreciate that. I think how people feel about the movies varies a lot, it goes from your experience all the way to people who were bullied because of them.
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Germany is known as "the unfunny pop clown" around these parts,
Lord of the Lost had the right idea,
It just happened to not go as well as people expected.
Germany needs to wake up from the delusion that 'radio friendliness' is a recipe for success in Eurovision. It really isn't at all. Germany would have been a steady NQer hadn't it been for being a Big Five country. Michael Schulte in 2018 was an exception only because of the backstory and sincere delivery. And unfortunately Jendrik in 2021 was quirky but also too silly in a dated Eurovision 00's 'troll entry' way and a waste of opportunity to show his apparent talent.
While this is true we did send "I dont fee hate" and last year was not exactly a pop song and it wasnt bad either. I agree that the song this year is very boring and we really need to experiment more with different genres but it would be unfair tp say they didnt try at all
i agree and would personally support to end the big 5 system of automatical qualfication. there has a huge division happend in between what the german eurofans and public would want and what the german broadcaster decides to let to the NF each year. LotL was a huge win for the fans. Unfortunately that year the televoters threw all their votes on käärja to tank the leaked jury vote for loreen instead of splitting the points across multiple artists as in most other years. So the broadcaster could paddle back to radio friendly pop only.
Last year Germany tried, because the official voting was not hosted by the TV channel NDR as in the years where Stefan Raab wasn't involved, but we had a chance to vote via TikTok. However the artists who showed interest in the last years that could've potentional had been disqualified by the NDR as like the band Electric Callboy, because apparently a international famous Metalband was seen by the NDR as a "bad choice" or cause the voting process to pick the right artist to go to the show was a fail as seen in the year where Germany send Elaiza who had been a big flop, cause only after the ESC it came out that the phone-votes had a problem by not having let all votes go trought properly, that caused people to be quit mad since the majority of people actually voted that Germany would be represented by the Sea Shanty band Santiano, however that didn't happend. Santiano would've been the perfect candidate for that year, but however it didn't happend and so we sended a female band that had the most boring song ever. Germany actually did this mistake more than once, because other artists who are quit unique and interesting had been let down, mainly due to the NRD taking in and telling them no for some reasons. 2008 for example the NDR told a gothic-styled pop-rock band who sung in English, altho they got the most telephone-votes, they can't let them go to the ESC due to their "too weird" appearance and instead they sended the girlgroup No Angels, who sung their worst song on the ESC in that year. It's frustrating if you see how much potential German music has, but the right people either don't apply for the ESC or get told no by the NDR.
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Stefan Raab also was involved in the national selection 2012 when Roman Lob won and came 8th place in Baku.
Everything Stefan Raab touches turns to gold. So many TV shows, so many hits. Every Eurovision song he that he was a part of in some sort made the top 10.
You still feel the gap he left in German TV since his departure. He just has a feeling for what works.
Also the NDR which‘s now in charge of selectinh the ESC act, doesn‘t want to win. „Everything but first“… They need to get away from their radiofriendliness. Nowadays radio is something that plays in the background and nobody really actively listens to. Being radiofriendly is a bonus (like Tattoo) but not the main criteria to select your entry.
As a German born in 1988, my first memory of Eurovision is indeed Guildo Horn. And Böörti Böörti Vogts brought me right back into my childhood, so thank you for that!
I think the contest has changed, so I actually don't know how successful Raab would be nowadays. Then again, we're already at the bottom, can't get much worse, so I'd fully support another try. Having someone who's passionate about music and Eurovision might be the first step out of the dark.
I don't expect Germany to be another Italy or Sweden, but some breadcrumbs would be nice, so let him try all right.
Germany really should have sent Electric callboy in 2022.
We already recorded a big riff on this in the upcoming Croatia video. YES they should have. It's crazy they didn't even let them compete in the selection show. That alone should have disqualified the broadcaster from running this process anymore. -MB
@@overthinkingit 100 % agree with you guys !
This will go down as the absolute most stupidly thick misjudgment by whoever at ARD/NDR was responsible. Like, they had it in their hands at sending one among the most influential songs in terms of updating the contemporary quality of the entire contest and botched it in truest ARD/NDR fashion.
That wasn't possible this year because the national radio stations selected the candidates. In any other country, EC would have applied again next year, but in Germany they are offended and want nothing more to do with the ESC. That's why we now see so many EC clones at the ESC but probably never the original again.
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Okay there are TWO guys. ❤️
One thing I would like to add to Stefan's legacy was the bundesvision song contest (or BuViSoCo for short) that was a yearly thing more or less until Stefans on-screen TV retirement, stepping back into the background and producing shows rather than hosting. I feel like this always was Stefans idea for a national final, as every state of the 16 federal states in Germany was to compete and the state winning had to be the next years host state. The lineup were quirky local newcomers AND some of Germany's hottest acts. And the venues were on eurovision level in size.
imagine if Stefan Raab revived Bundesvision and made it an official Eurovision preselection show with Eurovision rules for the songs and stagings. that will be quite amazing.
@@a.m.rifkia.3rd493 that would be really cool, tho i think prosieben didn't have enough budget to do the show year after year with this scale. which was one of the reasons it fell apart after raabs tv retirement. And a kind of disappointing tv rating in the last years, which i can get because it was going to get a bit predictable who wins with the big names.
Raab was the Stig Anderson of Germany - had a plan, executed it to perfection. I used to watch Raab's TV show when I lived in Hungary, he's such a funny, talented guy. Of course he was also lucky to find such a talented performer as Lena. Her Eurovision performance has always seemed a bit odd to us here in Britain, with its affected vocal style, but she has shown now through a long career that she was no flash in the pan.
The state of affairs re: German Eurovision direly needs to change. However, I'm a bit wary of Stefan Raab being the savior ex machina that people make him out to be. His merits for German ESC between 1998 to 2011 asside, I think the contest itself has changed immensely (increasing quality for the past 8 - 10 years), as has the Zeitgeist and I'm doubtful Raab would be up to find the right tone for contemporary ESC. Like many other Germans, my pick would definitely be Jan Boehmermann, but due to him being contracted to ZDF, the second public broadcasting house in vicious competition with the ARD, it seems unlikely to happen. The ARD is like a toxic lover when it comes to ESC: they hate doing it, hate putting effort and investment in but they want to keep exclusively reaping the benefits of the high marketshares in viewership and the desirable age bracket of 14 - 29 yrs, both of which are rare commodities for rusty ´dusty ARD and offers them significant advantages in budget allocations and relevance arguments. And so they jealously hang on to keeping ESC under their exclusive umbrella while investing near naught into the overall production of the German NF and the German delegation.
All that said and seeing that the ARD will continue to be very reluctant to let anyone from the outside, be it Raab or Boehmermann or me (honestly, this is one of my grandiose wet nightmares, hehe), I have to add that only a scenario of absolute ground zero could get things in motion towards change. I know that another federal regional broadcasting house is going to take over German delegation from the NDR next year, and while I wouldn't rule out that this might bring some improvement, I don't harbor much hope.
As long as the ARD is in charge, the same systemic nonsense will continue, making it hard even for the best-intentioned regional broadcaster and even the highest motivated team on the German delegation to fight successfully the uphill battle against the ARD structures and mindset.
If you refer for the ESC NF going to the MDR, i heard this was just a rumour and the MDR actually wouldnt want to take it. (i think it was Der dunkle Parabelritter in einem Q&A after joining the MDR for funk). ZDF and Böhmermanns production company would be my absolute favourite in this.
I just "fear" (i really hope the best for him, but for the matter) Isaak will lift germany up to the last third of ranks by jury and ARD will sell this as an absolute proof of their strategy working in an upwarts trend, such no action would be required.
@@muffimonkey5065 Yes, I commented much the same to another comment below: if and when Isaak performs better than, say, above the third-to-last score, the ARD will "sell" this as a proof of their (non-existent) concept and reason to carry on as usual. I also believe that Isaak will indeed perform much better: there is a sort of redemption arc to be fulfilled after many Eurofans feel LotL got severely robbed last year, also, the song itself isn't bad and will find its voters and lastly, there isn't anywhere near the same voting bloodbath (Finland vs. Sweden drawing basically all points in a shootout, leaving crumbs for the rest), so I think Isaak has a fair shot at making it out of the bottom-est bottom. And the ARD will swiftly declare their way the highway and the sad status quo remains...
As for the rumors about MDR or not: while I believe MDR to be the worst choice, there are many arguments in favor of MDR but too many to discuss here. If it goes to WDR, rbb or BR etc. doesn't really matter because it's the actual internal ARD structure that's the main problem.
@@cendrapolsner8438 WDR might be my favorite of the ARD-Stations. Because of the sheer size of the Station, they might have access to a much bigger, more divers, younger talent pool, than for examples MDR, also because the Region they are covering, IS the most populated, and includes important cultural centres as Cologne or the Ruhrvalley... I fear the MDR, because of they affiliation to "old people's Schlager", but at this point every change is positive.
Perfect timing because it was just announced that Stefan Raab has new plans for the German national final. I support that although I rather have someone younger than him, his legacy is already big enough. In my generation, born around 1990, most of the people have Guildo Horn & Stefan Raab in mind when talking about Eurovision and what their first memory of it is.
And did I understood the ending of the video right? Our only hope for Eurovision is our HUMOR? Europe, beware!
Well. I think there is one German..
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Oh yesy you should definitely watch Dreamship Surprise!
You definitely should watch Traumschiff Surprise! 😅
Hei hei heitetai 👏👏
Space Taxi to the sky
Oh the memories
Gawd no. The whole Bullyparade canon has aged horribly. It's always childish jokes targeting minorities.
well well well!
He is kind of an asshole though. For some time, his modus operandi was to turn out of context sentences that happened to be caught on camera into pop hits. He did that to ex-Chancellor Schröder (who could handle it) but then to some random woman who wasn't famous at all. So he made people go viral with cringe videos before that was a thing.
Germany should do like The Netherlands and select a song that could do good in the final. They have a problem with their broadcaster for the selection of the song for the final and the selection for the act that wins. The final is on a friday late night for a radio friendly song in Germany. The time is too late and on a friday gives a different feeling instead of a saturday.
the plothole in your take is that the broadcaster would be the one selecting the song, so this year they likely had picked ISAAK or max mutzke in an internal selection as well.
i was listening to NDR2 the day after the final and the radio moderation accidentally announced max mutzke as the winner.. so i guess he was up on the board house internally.
@@muffimonkey5065 not necessarily. If they focused their entire energy on an internal selection, my guess is they would establish an entirely new jury, that would hopefully be headed by someone who gets Eurovision a little better.
As much as you can criticise the NDR for their song selection, they do have a good team reporting on Eurovision (though they did cut out the song-checks this year, which I still haven't forgiven them for). So, I believe if they just let the right people take over the selection process it might be possible.
But in the end, there is a very large part of the NDR that honestly just doesn't care about Eurovision, at least that's my impression.
And neither do any of the other broadcasters under the ARD
@@minimi870 hope dies last, but i honestly just have the impression that the NDR/ARDs interest is only to "get it done" as good as neccessary, but without passion or any vision, but definitivly detached from what the contest actually is (now)
@@muffimonkey5065 yeah, that's definitely my impression, too. And I mean I don't really blame them? If you don't care about something you don't care about it. Nothing you can do. But I wish they would at least put someone in charge who does care. It cannot honestly be that hard.
Except, if you don't care you of course also don't care to put someone in charge who does. And that's kind of where my understanding ends.
but Germany send I don't feel hate and still finished last.
Hard to believe it's their best result for the last 3 years 😮
Cause that time they were actually second to last
I don't want to be blunt, but "I don't feel hate" was painful, honestly. Okay, the music itself was funny and kinda nice. But the passive-aggressiveness of that song, and the dancing middle finger...
Maybe that's just me.
I Don’t Feel Hate was terrible.
I don’t feel hate was amazing imo
I don't feel hate was my mother's (second) favorite that year 😅
…and now he’s finally back!
I still remeber the time where the big youth radio stations did campaign for Gulido Horn, it was a massive campaign. Before Guildo Horn the ESC was perceived in Germany as a contest exclusively for "old people's" Schlager ( it was a bit before the dominance of the so called "Ballerman-Schlager" made Schlager more accessible for younger audiences), so Stefan Raab used all his Media Presence and Influence on younger audiences and mobilised this people for Guildo Horn. So I think Stefan Raabs sucess in Germany was, at least in the beginning, mostly due to his massive presence on tv (his own show) and radio ( which wad still very important in the late 90ies in Germany) and the fact that he made the contest interesting for younger people.
THE MAM WE ALL NEEDED!!!!!11!1
Thx for making me feel ancient (playing the Bertie Vogts song). I’m Swiss (adopted) and Raab was everywhere for a while!
Ahh I saw the news yesterday and you you’ve released a video, that makes me happy 🥰 also ty for acknowledging Lena’s largely forgotten impact!!
I remember rewatching ESC2011 and in the SF they made a joke about naming things that don't go together, as a way to introduce the next interval; a DJ and traditional music. Then he says "Women and Technology" while the female host held the microphone upside down and the entire crowd started booing
YIKES. But good for the crowd!
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The ESC has changed a lot in the 10 years since Raab was active, and his humour and entertainment ideas already wasnt doing great before he decided to retire. There was an attempt a couple years ago to make some sort of national songcontest („Free European Song Contest“), but that one was so filled with typical Raab era stereotype jokes that it was nothing but a cringefest. I do think fondly of the zeitgeist of that time, but the world changed and people already are cringing out and complain about the same type of much tamer jokes the NDR at current does.
So "more funny" alone made by Stefan Raab wouldnt solve anything imo.
I personally think the main issues germany has with placing, lies within the system of broadcaster editorial team and jury who pick just the most uncompetetive songs for the NF and insist that no one but them knows any better, reducing the selection to pop music only, as other genres are reported to not fit the personal taste of some of the decision makers. And oc that angers eurofans that see another contries entry being kicked out in the semis while germany hogs a guaranteed place in the final with something at best mediocre. The NF itself circles around the moderator gossiping with persons that are there as guests that have no relation to the ESC whatsoever. The artists are in the background until they have their song, and risk being joked upon right after their entry by the moderation. The stage is inadequate to show the relations of the actual ESC final, as its so much smaller and will not reflect to the big stage and audience that has to be filled with the song and performance to stick out.
So in terms of production of the show, i do see hope in changing broadcasters, production and concept. Also having a musician as head of production might finally put the actual contestors and their songs into the focus of the show. Also this might finally offer a chance for actual popular genres like hiphop/rap, or open the door for anything rock/metal/punk, finally. It of course risks to lose more artistic approaches (like Ryk) as we know from for example serVia, but that would be something the public broadcasters could cover.
As far as i have read, Raab offered a split show concept to 4 big german TV stations, the public broadcasters ARD(NDR) and ZDF, and two privates RTL and Pro7/Sat.1. The idea is to let each of them organize one semi-final and then have a national final with the winners of each of the 4 shows. The public broadcasters seem to be interested, while the privates are not sure what they would gain from this cause ARD would sent the NF as well as the ESC in any case. So its to see on where this might go.
(source: rollingstone.de, esc-kompakt.de)
At all the contract with the NDR will run out in 2025, and i HOPE WITH ALL OF MY HEART, that german entertainer and moderator Jan Böhmermann for the ZDF will take the show in his hands. Hes already commenting the contest for radio, and made a satiric song about germanys constant last placement ("Allemagne Zero Points (Official Release)" - Jan Böhmermann | ZDF Magazin Royale: ruclips.net/video/_zfnlkiPCVA/видео.html ). He has a very good editoral team for music and as a singer himself im convinced he will fit the CURRENT zeitgeist in creating a show and picking or writing good music for the CURRENT ESC. 🙏
Sorry for the essay, thanks for reading! If you made it this far please know that you are the most amazing person ever
7:03 If Overthinking It only made videos nerding out about Eurovision, dayenu. If they had only had some jokes thrown in there, dayenu. If they had only occasionally sprinkled in some Jewish cultural references where you wouldn't quite expect it, dayenu. BUT MATT BELINKIE ALSO RECEIVED A "SPECIAL THANK YOU" IN MY LSAT PREP BOOK! Definitely my favorite RUclips channel, hands down.
Uhmm... watch it if you want. I'm not sure how well translations work, though, since there is a lot of double entendre and just... way of speaking that makes up a lot of the fun, so I'm unsure how well it would translate for a non-native speaker
I was constantly asking myself: Who is Rob? ... then I figured out, he meant Raab XD ... Good vid! Enjoyed it a lot.
Stefan Raab is an absolute beloved - he is the manifestation of "where there is a will, there is a way"... he brought Eurovision to Germany and any episode of Schlag den Raab is also proof! :D
Stefan Raab should represent Germany for Eurovision Song Contest again
Hey Matt, I can see you're making a lot of changes to your space. Your audio is sounding much better. Keep it up!
Thanks, I've tried everything except for like, buying a decent microphone. -MB
@@overthinkingit no problem! I’m the guy from Reddit btw, in case you weren’t sure who I was.
Definitely add a good mic to your shopping list. I’m sure there are a lot of good ones out there that’ll meet your budget. I would personally stay away from Blue/Logitech - even though I bought a Yeti X last June. The popularity of their mic’s 10 years ago has sadly gone to their heads.
If I could do it over again, I would probably go with a Rode NT1 and a Scarlet Solo
Oh hi! Thanks for your help, it really DOES sound better and now I know the word “sibilance”.
I do wonder what your thoughts are on Isaak and "Always On The Run"?
I looked it up, and if Germany comes last in the final this year also, then they will make history as the first ever country to get last 3 years in a row! 😲
The show the NDR Produced for the sectioning of this year candidate was also just a giant cringe. Couldn´t watch it because it was just so unbearable
I know this will sound harsh, but if Isaak scores any higher than, say, 3rd to last, the ARD/NDR will have the advantage of sayin: "Hey! See? Not that bad after all! We might as well continue business as usual." And I promise, it will get even worse from then on. The ARD will persist doing their low-invest/high-return policy with investing the least into the NF and German delegation while reaping the cream of the high broadcasting marketshare and any change to any regional broadcasting house (worst of all: MDR) will not change that. So, unfortunately, while I wish no ill on Isaak and am kinda "meh" okay with the song itself, I'd prefer another scoring disaster for a chance of the status quo changing at least somewhat.
lol dayeinu I love your humor guys 🙏
"This guy may be your only hope" sounded like a Star Wars reference when the video had Star Trek mentioned. But I am probably overthinking it!!! :D I do hope though that this channel lives long and prospers!
Traumschiff surprise Periode 1 was mentioned so I guess it’s an indirect reference to Star Wars :)
You should absolutely, Michael bully herbig is one of the greatest German directors for comedy
the dayenu mention really got me!
It was that time of the year!
I‘m so sorry but at some point of the video i was like who is this „Rob“ he is talking about all the time? Did he mix up Stefans name? 😂😅 German native speaker here 🙋♂️
One of many reasons Wrather is better at these! -MB
I live in Germany and used to love his (Stefan Raab's) humour as well as his Eurovison contributions. They were not just "nonsense songs", they had something :)
On the other side, two years ago almost nobody in Germany could understand Konstrakta. That says a lot about them losing the compass
I still can't understand Konstrakta - and I never will !! Same weird sh#t like Conan Osíris - "Telemóveis" (Portugal ESC 2019)
@@muddyfeet69 Not true. She has humour and irony and is talking about different social issues as well as mental health and ridiculousness of modern life. There are many layers in her songs as well as the staging, it is pure art. She has staged her acoustic version of In corpore sano as The last supper of Jesus and 12 apostoles with the imagery of renaissance painters. I feel sorry that you don't understand her (and people from Azerbaijan for example do, see them dancing to the song here on youtube). Conan I remember very well and it seems to me that only Portuguese people can understand him, I don't. They almost sent something similar this year (some guy Borsch), but fortunately decided for Iolanda.
If you want to understand Konstrakta better, look at her other songs too (with translations!), then you will realise that it is far from nonsense, on the contrary.Lots of good music too. She has a band Zemlja gruva (Grooveland) so check their songs too.
Zemlja gruva - Django (live!)
Zemlja gruva - Tuga (Sadness)
Zemlja gruva - Nisam znala da sam ovo htela (Didn't know I wanted this)
Her song Žvake (Bubblegums) talking about inutile positive thinking coachings and religion, whereas people continue to struggle in their daily lives.
Her song Evo obećavam (Here I promise) about anxiety and depression, great video btw
Her song Nemam šamana (I don't have a shaman/guru), about esoteric nonsense
Her 3 songs from Triptih (The first talking about inevitability of aging, the second about mental health should be more important than looks - In corpore sano - and third Mekano - On the soft - about numbing daily/yearly schedule of a bored middle class couple). Especially the acoustic piano version of Mekano as well as acoustic version (all sitting at the dinner table) of In corpore sano.
But first start with Zemlja Gruva Django live, you might find some great music to marvel at.
Open your mind and good luck.
-@@egyptianhibiscus9203- if you don't understand the language and see her performance on that big final night for the first time, you'll wonder, "What's that lady doing there?" Wash your hands all the time?”
@@muddyfeet69 Well then the easiest way is to always watch Sweden - they sing ordinary pop songs in English and brain cells can rest :) I tried to explain to you that there is much more behind that hand washing. Also mostly the songs have English subtitles
i will hear NO planet of blue slander. it was ahead of its time!!!
HE IS REAL!!!
As a person from Switzerland I'd have to add: he did not only these things, but Stefan Raab is also responsible for one of Switzerland's most successful musicians. Stefanie Heinzmann won his singing competition back in the day :)
Funny thing about Raab conducting the orchestra in 1998 was that the song was entirely a backing track, the orchestra didn't play a single note. He just really wanted to take the traditional conductors bow that had been in every contest up until that point.
Stefan Raab wanting to get involved in German NF again? he better does it well and be the German version of Christer Björkman. however, it will take a few years to work; Christer Björkman started in 2002 with mixed results until their NQ in 2010. it only started to work in 2011 when they got third place and then continued with the victory in 2012. since then, they more often have got top 10 (only twice they slipped in 13 years, in 2013 and 2021).
If raab can reinstate a mello-like contest that builds up hype for not just the national Songs but what also is a vehicle for promoting the brand as a whole in Germany, making the contest cool again, I would be all for it!
@@MyBroSux24 we will have to wait and see.
@@MyBroSux24 he just should revive Bundesvision and make it an official preselection show with Eurovision-ish production value.
Oh god, oh no, you found out about Traumschiff Surprise :D
Actually, why am I even Surprised?
Yes, watch Traumschiff. It’s super funny even with subtitles.
Can we get a video on Georgia!?
Traumschiff Surprise was one of the few things even more gay than Eurovision itself. And in 5th grade, we all loved it for it! 😁
To answer your end card joke more seriously than you asked for, Traumschiff Surprise was a successful in cinemas. But I don't think it's worth watching, to be honest. It has its moments, but it's a really flat parody most of the time. It's the moviefication of a series of clips in the comedy show Bullyparade, and it rests a lot on gay stereotypes.
If I really had to recommend a Michael Bully Herbig film, it would be Der Schuh des Manitu, a parody of Western movies. But even that film, you can take it or leave it, you know.
But speaking of which, the funniest German parody film I can think of would be Der Wixxer. It's a comedy version of Edgar Wallace- movies. But as far as I can tell, only the sequel "Neues vom Wixxer" got translated to English as "The Vexxer", and I feel the language barrier, the missing cultural context and the different zeitgeist make it not as funny any more.
Yeah I mean a lot of spoof movies can be taken with a grain of salt and there are definitely some stereotypes the early movies by Bully portraits that definitely aged like milk. The slapstick and pun humor that still is so great in films like the naked gun movies still make it a great spoof to watch at times.
Man, am I the only one that I feel bad for Leon?
Yes you are definitely in the minority with that kind of wasted empathy!
He himself thought that his song would fit at Eurovision and he made the decision to apply for the national selection! Nobody forced him per gun point to expose himself to the notoriously vicious ESC fan base. If he had made beforehand put some effort at his research about the Contest, for example what kind of songs and artists usually become fan favorites and get admired,he hat noticed its definitely not the introverted emo chubby typ with a boring guitar song (which way too much sounds like a bad sequel of „take me to church„) quintessential singing about him not having the courage, stamina and determination to get something done and instead usually choosing to run away (great massage! 💀)
@@PPfilmemacher I think you mistake the 2024 entry to the flop from 96 since the 96-flop was a techno Europop song with German and English lyrics that the ESC didn't liked in that year
@@PPfilmemacher I respect your opinion and all, but, wasted empathy?
You might had forget that there was only 100% jury voting in 1996. That always been the case in almost every year pre-1996. 1997 onwards is way different than pre-1996 due to the introduction of the televote, which Leon would definitely have more success on. Planet of Blue is a more televote-friendly song than every song in Eurovision 1996 (excluding UK due to having more jury votes than Leon), compared of being a jury song. Infact, Germany was one of the few national finals that year that had 100% televote. This affected the results, especially due to how the jury is most frequently dominated that year. The only country that gave Leon points in the Pre-Qualification round was the UK, giving them 10 points. As insult to injury, he tried representing again the following year but got 2nd on its national final. Germany as a whole also was the reason the Pre-Qualification round took place due to bad placement in 1995. If the relegation system was still in place, Leon would still be participating barely. Changing an song or knowing what the song contest even is wouldn’t affect anything. Comparing to recent examples of last places, that are usually ballads, radio rock, or rock that makes Germany in the bottom of the scoreboard. Leon isn’t a professional. He simply sent the best song for televoters, but at the absolutely wrong time.
I need to say we need to let Raab go, in Germany he is Highly overrated, as my Personal Opinion, but putting some comedians in charge would be a great idea! personally, I would think Jan Böhmermann would work in today's time more than Raab, and he also showed interested in it in his Podcast. Last year and this year he moderated together with Oli Schulz, a Singer/Songwriter, the ESC for FM4 from the Austrian Public broadcasting. Raab is old media I dont think we need more old a like stuff but should try new things out.
agreed, I've checked out of German culture roughly 20 years ago and still feel the Raab-fatigue 🤭
obviously, I don't know who Jan Böhmermann is, but anything new and fresh has to be better than going back.
Jan Böhmermann made some really good songs in their own right! "Warum hört der Fahrradweg einfach hier auf?" is really interesting musically, and also from the music video. I can recommend.
And "Ich hab Polizei" is a clever twist on gangster rap. (I mean, the less gangster rap we have, the better, but you know...)
@@efi3825 I appreciate the recommendations, but I just can't listen to German music anymore. even just listening to the language being spoken is difficult for me, there is a very specific way it has to be done for me to not cringe into a parallel bubble universe of ancestral shame 👀
Böhmermann also did the wonderful Alemagne Zero Points last year (before Eurovision) which is hilarious and his hosting of Magazin Royal is really good as well 🙂
@@efi3825 Especially the Music Videos from Polzistensohn produced by the BTF were just a pure from of art.
For context: Dreamship Surprise was a cinematic adaptation of a series of sketches from the Bullyparade, created by Michael Bully Herbig, who plays “Mr. Spuck” (=“Mr. Spit” instead of “Spock”). The sketches were called “Unser Traumschiff” (Our Dreamship). The movie went beyond the sketches, pitting a Kirk’s Enterprise with an all-gay crew against a Star Wars Empire comprised of former human colonists from Mars, trying to invade Earth because it’s more comfortable. The main cast then has to travel back in time to prevent Mars from being colonised in the first place.
Mr. Spuck also made a re-appearance in Stefan Raab’s surrogate contest “Free ESC” in 2020, created as a substitute for real Eurovision having been cancelled that year. The Free ESC continued the trend of inviting non-European countries, like Australia, to the show - by deciding to have a representative for the Moon. That was Germany’s 2004 representative Max Mutzke, disguised as an astronaut (the song is called “Back to the Moon”), in reference to the music show “The Masked Singer”. Mr. Spuck (=Michael Bully Herbig) was the one who announced the points for the Moon from a space station.
I actually might consider representing Germany for Eurovision at this point tbh.
Germany had it perfectly right with their 2013 national final. It was chock full of bangers. Cascada ultimately coming 21st when even the ESC betting community speculated it as a possible top 5 was a travesty. Germany's never been quite as good since. I want to see them try the Italy France trick, and play up to their national stereotypes. Send some German language housewife-schlager, some techno, some Kraftwerk-inspired weirdness, heck even a Bavarian novelty act. Lord of the Lost tried the Rammstein vibe and it didn't work, but Germany has other options and lots of great music to offer. Enough of the X Factor ballads.
"Lord of the Lost tried the Rammstein vibe"?? I can't even begin to think in what way. Did they sing in German? No. Did they do a song in the style of Rammstein's Neue Deutsche Härte genre? No - LOTL's 'style' over their 15 years of existence is wonderfully genre-fluid. In the eponymous album from which "Blood and Glitter" was chosen, they were flirting with a Glam Rock / New Romantics vibe (you could never accuse Rammstein of that). Were they even a 6-piece? No (not at that time, anyway). Are they from the same era? No, again - singer Chris Harms is the oldest band member and he was 14 when Rammstein formed in 1994; guitarist Pi Stoffers was 1. I happen to love the music of both bands, BTW ... but there is no similarity.
PS I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with your "Enough of the X Factor ballads" sentiment!
Justice for Leon!!!!
They should've sent Spaghetti Polonaise this year.
so many of my friends keep saying that to me 😩
Well, he maybe is planning a comeback or at least a big event in germany. So there is hope again that the NDR will lose it.
Yes, watch Starship Surprise if you like very campy comedy. Not sure how it translates into English, but I laughed at the original German version :-)
as a German the "fun not too serious" songs are the reason many of us are embarassed and it's a pain still having to see these bad performances (some exceptions) every year because of the big five rule... we know we deserve the low number of points we often get
Look, I understand the points you are making. But as a German, I can tell you that his humour in his comedy shows was always built on putting small people, disadvantaged people down and ridiculing them (as was nationally and internationally the zeitgeist in the period of time he was most successful). For many people, a lot of that has been blown over by nostalgia, but I think a lot of his stuff just wouldn't work anymore today, and I'm not sure if he himself would get that.
Yeah, you make a good point. I believe after the Lisa Loch scandal he has matured at least a little bit, and I bet he has enough awareness to treat things differently today. But it is something I always have at the back of my head about him.
Well while i think that we live in insane woke times nowadays i agree some of his stuff didn't age well. I am perfectly sure Stefan is smart enough to find a midground between cancel culture and BS like this Lisa Loch story.
@@whatever1661 he produced the "Free European Song Contest" a couple years ago, following the same humour, so i sadly doubt that... like haha in country x bean soup exists, x people fart a lot... haha..haha.. same videoclip 100 times until everyone on stage died of cringe
@@muffimonkey5065 I see your point. But to be fair. His last attempt of humor on the Eurovision stage is 24 years ago.
@@whatever1661 Raab did so much for the german esc, no doubt about that! My only fear would be that if he returns and tries to get back to where he left he could easily shatter his legacy and become a second Ralph Siegel
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i mean idk, i agree with the general idea, but Lord of the Lost were brilliantly unserious and I don't know why people didn't like them
I’m a German and I don’t like Raab at all. But it’s a hope for Germany in Eurovision if he comes back
Allemagne zero points!
Yeh it's a pity Böhmermann did this only for a joke and not sendet it in. Böhmermann has fans all over europe and he knows how to do a show. This song would have performed quite well i bet.
Germany's 1996 song was not bad!
OMG YES YOU HAVE TO WATCH TRAUMSCHIFF SURPRISE!!! I‘m actually swiss (german) and grew up with that movie, still one of my favourites of all time. Yet the humor is veery cheesy, kinda weird and sometimes homophobic, but as a gay person myself I don‘t care 🎉🎉
...or, that one time an American won Eurovision.
I would not recommend watching dreamship surprise, it has aged a bit poorly. It pains me to say that, cause it's a very iconic childhood movie, but a lot of the laughs in the movie just came from "gay stereotypes" so watching it today is sure to make you cringe.
I never watched Traumschiff Surprise as a child, but Schuh des Manitu was and still is a staple. In that movies case, I think it's still watchable because while there's a lot of stereotypes, Winnetouch is never excluded by the other characters. It's kinda comforting in a weird way to see him be himself and it not be a negative thing in universe (from what I remember). I get why opinions on it vary though.
@@emdove Thats a really nice perspective on it, I appreciate that. I think how people feel about the movies varies a lot, it goes from your experience all the way to people who were bullied because of them.
You gotta watch a retrospective on the Bully movies by a channel called "nein, Marius" which I really recommend!
Traumschiff Surprise is really not worth the watch
When will you guys talk about Europapa?
For me Lord of the Lost wasn't robbed at all. Professionalism aside, the song was non existent.
In 2004, Germany could also have sent Scooter with Jigga Jigga! to Eurovision. But Germany wanted Max.