Bad Behavior Online: Bullying, Trolling & Free Speech | Off Book | PBS Digital Studios
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The internet is a powerful tool for communication, but it can sometimes be a double-edged sword. As most of us have seen or experienced, the internet can bring out the worst behavior in people, highlighting some of the cruelest and most hurtful aspects of humanity. Issues such as bullying online and trolling have garnered a lot of attention recently, prompting questions about who does, and should, regulate the internet, and what free speech means online.
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it's not just teenagers. Adults are some of the worst bullies...if you take a stand on, or express an opinion on anything, you're going to be attacked.
I honestly forgot how.... difficult life can be for people... and how the smallest of things can hurt in such big ways... im terribly sorry 4 all the people ive trolled..
Jayne Hathaway I can relate. last year I was playing frontire defense (yes I'm bad at spelling sue me) on Titan Fall 2 on PS4 and I was having a good time and me and my teammates got in a argument I forgot what it was about but one of them (btw they were all black/African Americans) and he said and I quote why did you say the n word bro. And I said I didn't then he kept going on and on and I said sorry to shut him up and he said oh now you admit it and I said I'm not saying I did but if it makes you happy then fine and he then proceeded to piss me off again with another dumb argument my big half bro comes in gives me a talk btw the mic was still on and I recorded it yes I actually did and I called it sad man bully's 10 year old child with social problems and I never uploaded it mainly because most of my vids have edgy titles and I never uploaded it btw I'm white also should I upload it find me on Xbox and PS4 if you want to see the video go on PS4 and if you want to be my friend on Xbox go do that I'm usually on Xbox but the vid is on PS4
I'm glad you mentioned that; I didn't think Cyber bullying was limited to just teenagers because even adults can become victims from other adults especially when it comes to slandering.
yeah say that when someone commits suicide trust me it happens AND what are you gonna say ITS JUST A JOKE.
"But then there's the "trolling" that's aimed at individual people, or inciting anger/hatred in a certain group of people - THAT, is pathetic and disgusting."
And when did this type of blatant abusive behavior start getting mislabeled as "trolling"?
Trolling is an "internet prank". Frankly if and when I troll I hope to get a laugh both sides. I remember getting trolled because I was acting like a "Try Hard" and everyone had a good laugh in the end. Frankly if you want to avoid being trolled leave the game or mute said players and block them. The problem with these "troll victims" is that they don't do this and instead rage. This makes it funnier for trolls that you act like this. If you are trolling someone to make them rage, make sure they're already "ragers" (players who get angry over a certain game and act aggressive toward others). Still tell them it's a joke in the end. If your a eager and being trolled don't threaten anything, otherwise they'll keep trolling you. If you troll someone to crying or get them in trouble by getting their parents involved or just follow them from game to game, it's cyber-bullying. This is where I explain why trolling is an internet prank, you do it to a person once. You don't keep trolling that person...
ok even if its done in good sport and meant for a laugh its still encourages all the negative kinds of trolling which there is a lot more negative types then there is postitive types like R.I.P trolling for example and theres already enough negativity and choas in the world to where I would say it isnt worth it to add onto the fire
Corwin'sConquest yea thats very true, tho u may troll and let the person know thats all it is, you have the idiots who will take the trolling to another level, and leave not telling the person it was a joke or something. Hell instead when the person begins to cry or something theyll troll harder till the person turns the electronic off...
yeah say that when someone commits suicide trust me it happens AND what are you gonna say ITS JUST A JOKE.
There is a difference between free speech and libel, harassment, and slander.
Non-sequiturs: a good demonstration that a journalist doesn't understand the subject they're talking about
In a social aspect, the Internet can simply be described as not having any boundaries.
I hope people don't think cyber bullying and trolling are the same thing. I feel trolling has it's place in society. Bullying however doesn't.
It's pointless to bully
The only thing that freedom of speech guarantees is that you are legally allowed to say whatever you want. You still have to face the consequences for your words.
I believe that the Rick Roll reference was meant to illustrate the difference between bullying and more harmless forms of trolling.
We must not tolerate the trolls.
I could care less about what people say online.
Holy shit, they did. QUALITY RESEARCH HERE FELLAS. Make the kid who was bullied, but fought back, look like the bully.
An example of trolling is when I'm leaving the theater after seeing The Hobbit, saying "Dumbledore was a very weak supporting character" and getting people to believe me. This worked, by the way.
Calling people names, racial slurs, cussing and other forms of vocal harassment does not equate to trolling. It's simply being a dick, but people didn't know what to call it and therefore began misusing the term "trolling".
If you take something seriously you deserve it? WTH?🤔😠
Are you kidding me? Memorial trolling? How the heck do people live with doing that!? Upright disrespect, spinelessness and lack of feelings. My god
dobar dan newfag...
Well...we arent the same so stop asking stupid questions -_- Deal with it.
trolling is not bullying, but its merely a pathway to bullying and its worst than bullying .because hurting peoples feeling is worst than hurting them physically.
the thing is that there is imo , different types of troll. 1. you got the friendly troll - the one that tricks you in a way that everyone has a good laugh in the end
2. typical troll - the one that tricks you in a way to be the only one laughing in the end
3. no life troll - the one that spend all his/her day trying to find one place where he/she might be able to do something that is concidered morally inacceptable. probably to feel "badass" (even tho its not) or to releash their hate/sadness
Causing distress for the sake of enjoyment is animalistic at best, and it always amuses me when these animals try to speak like humans and forget that higher reasoning is what makes humans human.
I agree. The last guy had some interesting things to say. The first two seemed to get trolling and bullying confused. Admittedly, there's a fine line, but I think that there is a distinction.
Calling someone a troll is just another way to silence speech. If mocking the deluded, dumb and fraudulent makes me a troll, than I am a troll and proud of it.
I loled when they panned down the mountain dew naming contest
The fact is people almost never respond to polite comments. It's human nature. If you want to be completely anonymous and almost never get a response, don't troll.
people have grown to be more sensitive than forgiving and tolorant. This is unfortunate because some people turn to government to "protect" their feelings.
Bullying is a real thing and an ugly expirience, but cyberbullying? Really? Are all these people living in a magical world of Walt Disney or they just never leave the safe walls of their houses? Because world outside is pretty rough. If they can't handle internet, where you are 100% safe, how can they handle real life?
When picturing a troll, think of Puck. More like the little dolls with bright hair than the monsters that dwarves and elves fight.
i hate being hated by unknown people from the other side of the world
It always amazes me these experts who know so much about social media where in their early 20's by the time it came out. Get some younger folks on here to talk about social media, cyber bullying, trolling, etc. And they will likely be much more accurate. Internet culture is not as simple as these "experts" imply.
yeah say that when someone commits suicide trust me it happens AND what are you gonna say ITS JUST A JOKE.
The Internet is not governed, nor should it.
Carefully-considered historical frameworks often feel dated when compared to sloppily thrown-together exposés on whatever the latest scandal is.
"Troll" Is meant to confuse people with "logical fallacies"; ie things that (may) have sense, but are adressed In an inappropriate way. So It's not something "evil" at all. More like a "joke" or an "distraction" towards a specific situation. People gets mad because said "situation" hurts one's inner and most secret feelings, leading others to confuse "trolling" with "mocking".
People are less inhibited when they work in secret.
I feel the same way. Trolling is so wrong and I will never troll again
Prime example of victim blaming right there.
the biggest problem with free speach on the internet is people who have emotional break downs over fucking words
if you are playing an online game, read that "game experience/rating may change during online play" at the start of EVERY ONLINE GAME!!! as for the rest of the interwebs, they just gotta learn how to ignore stuff
Anyone else notice that the clip of the overweight boy beating up the scrawny boy, is actually from a video in which the scrawny boy is the bully, and the overweight boy is defending himself.
I like trolls as long as they leave it to social commentary and not personal attacks. I love when shit like "Bald for Beiber" happens.
I bemoan the loss of the rich word "trolling". Given its application to this very specific and ugly behavior, it clearly is no longer appropriate to use it any longer in its original or metaphoric sense. Yet another example of the often negative effect of the internet on language.
My mind is blown from stupidity of this.
I read a later comment, where you explained what you meant a little better. Governments quite often meddle in the affairs of businesses though, so it's not like this is impossible.
The background music is so good i forgot this was a video
It's impossible to abuse free speech, saying that you can is just idiotic.
I'm pretty sure the point of the video was to illustrate the differences between the various kinds of trolling and cyberbullying.
This video takes into account that those being trolled shouldn't take it too seriously. They're simply presenting a problem and raising awareness so society can propagate a solution. That being said, don't make memorial pages. When we don't have a personal attachment to the person being memorialized, any sincerity in any reciprocated message is rather morbid, whether it's a seemingly positive or negative message. Mourn in private with your friends and family like every other mammal does.
Stay away from the internet if you think you can't handle it.
Well, I'm glad we can agree that it is not a good thing to laugh at someone's death because of online bullying, and I do understand that it's important to have thick skin. However, as with the case with a lot of bullies, when you try to be the bigger person and show humility, they see you as a pushover and would see it as a license to say or do worse. I think we have a responsibility to tell bullies that what they are doing is wrong. After all, evil prevails when good people do nothing.
2:36 that image is the reason right there why we CANNOT censor or govern the internet. It is people that don't take any real action in life, or have failed so much in life, that they lower themselves to making other people feel low. They speak their mind because they feel they can't in the real world, and when that hurts someone, its almost like they're saying "well now you know how I feel." They want to see what its like in the other shoes, and because they are ungoverned online, they can.
Completely agree, what can be done to prevent is simply correctly educating people of such things. And i don't mean the kind of education news media or schools offer because they do a poor job at it, from my experience at least..
"the chances of a criminal committing an armed crime in public" you're right, that's why we see a ten times higher gun-crime rate in the US than other countries. Well though, Watson.
Never take anything on the interest seriously. If you do, it's like an exposed never shooting out blood into shark infested waters.
people need to be fixed, not the internet
You said there is free speech online, I'm saying there is not. No, the government should not censor because they have no authority on private property.
Some people say some pretty awful things online sometimes leading to terrible events but what ever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt them? A person who would end their own life because of WORDS is misguided but what do you expect in a society where "a person can rise on a word and fall on a syllable?" Both the trolls and the ignorant that feed them can not be faulted only the society that allows a persons worth to be determined by a few lines of text.
I have an idea for those type of bad people: Sue those evil Internet ruining monsters for $9987543114578 and sue them to the point they will never go near a computer again
I just want the internet to not be ruined and the gaming lags to stop because in a game that is online "are you here to play or here to wait?". Also the computer games and the internet won't be worth it if you cannot look up anything or play the games.
I am getting sick of people trying to ruin the internet or turn the internet into a vast wasteland with their computers.
brb doxxing you
+mrwong11989 Yes that is good idea, what about xbox trolls? Are they to blame? i hope not lol
***** doxxd u
What? Is ignoring/un-friending a person too hard? I mean everybody has had words with trolls online but when you realize they get off on the attention then it takes away their effectiveness... We don't give a damn when kids act out in public why do we care if they do online? Seems a bit like a double standard...
I want to try to be sympathetic, however, the biggest problem with people who get "cyber bullied" (I hate the stupid term) is that they don't understand how unimportant a stupid comment on some website is. Kids need to learn how to deal with people who are pathetic enough to want to make others angry.
I'm a cyberbully and I'm proud
Wow. It sure inflammatory to begin cursing, don't you think? And history repeats itself. Better safe than sorry. If everyone was armed, the chances of a criminal committing an armed crime in public would be substantially smaller.
See the Internet does destroy people's lives...
its about getting people to do the right thing, not anything to do with regulation. trolls dont intend to be taken seriously and have this philosophy that none should get offended. they are insensitive to the reasons why people get offended. upholding any harmful idea publicly will cause some harm whether you are joking or not. often people live in a me-centric universe where they think "if i dont mean to be taken seriously, im off the hook" and they dont see how it fuels "real" hatred
The U.S, Constitution. Or abridging the freedom of speech, When a person is threatened that is not freedom of speech.
Now,The Medical Doctors will create a new Mental Disorder called "B.B.O""
"Bad Behavior Online" and stuff that disorder with the 20 mental disorders.
I didn't actually realise that, though it doesn't surprise me in the least. It's incredible twists of logic, and self deception can happen in the minds of those who wrap themselves up in hysterical and emotional beliefs. Religion does this so much, but so do other groups such as feminism - unbelievable how adverse they are to thinking things through fully, or reconsidering, or how protected they are from doubt, due to what feels right to them.
The people who made the movie 2012 are the ultimate trolls...
I Caught the train to heaven. That almost made me laugh off my rails.
It's the internet, nobody gives a shit what someone says on it.
My friend thinks griefing is trolling so he destroyes my stuff in minecraft
r.i.p to all of those people who have been cyberbullied, trolled, and ended in self harm or suicide . whats wrong with todays society. i mean to all the teachers kids and parents that we'rew the only ones who ever fantisize about a normal world??????
I think there's a limit to what trolls should do. I'll only troll as a prank, like in minecraft or something, but ide never set out to ruin someones life!
Then you are a punk. I wake up every day looking for a new life to ruin.
Ok gimme an example of what a cruel troll would do.
>"Animimity"
There goes my last shred of respect for PBS.
Cyberbullying is not a disease. It is a symptom. A symptom of the same disease that offline bullying stems from. Cyberbullying is not new or scary, it's merely the latest manifestation of a problem that has been present for a long time. It's the same animal, now it's wearing a different hat. That's all there is to say about it. We need to focus on the root of these problems, mainly, parents who don't pay enough attention to their children, causing aggression and negative emotions to build up.
Trolling is not bullying. When the person is trying to troll but gets to the point where he/she is harassing the user, that crossed a line and makes it cyber bullying. If you disagree otherwise, you do not understand what trolling really is. Trolls just act stupid but try to get people to believe they are really that stupid or ignorant and get the user all riled up. Trolling is really about getting a reaction, nothing more.
Internet regulations? It's called the terms of agreement.....
Every reference was outdated except the bullying.
One shouldn't take the Internet so seriously that it needs governing. Your anonymous presence on the Internet counts to nothing. So don't get so hung-up on it.
It's interesting however, how people miraculously find the ability to say things online that they wouldn't say in person. Same goes for their behaviour. This sheer fact makes the online-world rather a game or a novelty than anything else. There is little sense in trying to police this, if even feasible.
This is part of the Offobook serie so I assume trolling is an artform.
im so sorry I laughed when the picture said "I caught the train... to heaven LOL"
I'm sorry but that's funny
You teach five year olds not to get butthurt when people say mean things to them. People who are that easily offended need to gain a sense of scale.
people should not take trolls or the internet in general very seriously, if you dont like what you are seeing move on. However, targeted cyber bullying is a totally different realm BUT THE INTERNET CANNOT BE LEGISLATED OR REGULATED, this can only be done by the users itself AND NOT by a governing body.
And that being said, while this sickens me because I personally find any memorial on the Internet or any candle-light vigil for a person that 90% of the people don't know pretty twisted, a website that specifically caters to memorial pages for people and monitors the comments through an automated system that could be more targeted in that specialized format could probably make a killing... (no pun intended. oops.)
In a online game people that is factualy trying to ruin other peoples enjoyment can be baned for exedingly longer and longer periods of time. Its going to happen at an increasing rate as game designers dont want a toxic community. The same goes for message boards like youtube and newspapers where moderators will remove posts that are directly opposite the owners interests. So you may not be able to say what you want, tough bullying and trolling may be overlooked.
I Lost My Enjoyment on Star Trek Online Thanks to a Goon Group Starfleet Dental and they keep saying their Good Guys which they Aren't and i hate the Devs not Dealing with em
People were paid to make this documentary. There are sooo many missed opportunities to troll these people.
Troll harder!
Actually free speech on the internet isn't protected under the first amendment. Because most websites are private property, the government can't regulate what you can and can't say. It's up to the administrators on the website.
Since we are in the realm of internet slang, it's hard to say trolling is not the same as bullying with absolute certainty. Your definition of trolling could be very different from someone else's definition. This video did a very nice job of stating their definition of trolling.
I'm seeing some serious people with cold hearts in this comment section...
but to be honest, there's nothing we can do about cyberbullying and trolls. Jerks will always be jerks...
Theres a difference between going "WAA SHE CALLED ME FAT" and "WAA THEYPICKETTED MY SISTERS FUNERAL"
There is a fucking reason why theres a block button.
You can just turn off the computer or just don't go online to the sites where you get bully on.
The only people who should have control of content are the creators themselves
stop the cyberbullying it's not worth it
Remember that these people don't know you, and these comments are often illegitimate. Both bullies in real life and on the net often act because of personal problems they can't seem to cope with otherwise. I think bullying is a nice motivation that makes you think "at least I'm doing better than that guy".
To an extent it can be highly revoking.
Depends on the context, and how it is delivered.
Your rights end where my feelings begin!
Free speech is not black or white, thats a line we draw.
I think you mean "what trolling actually WAS". The rick rollin' and similar trolling was playful pranking, nobody got offended by that (mayhaps a little annoyed but nothing more). Today most "trolling" is in fact extremely disruptive and most often aimed at annoying and pushing people down, NOT having a laugh. It's frustrated people who are craving attention and found a place where they can easily excuse their adolescent and disruptive behavior as "trolling".
Someone once told me to cut and that she will send me a razor and she told me to die but I did fight back tho :) and you should too if you're getting bullied don't let them walk all over you!! ❤️❤️
Our new episode has an internet troll on via skype. He didn't know we had his mother in the studio LOL! He was actually kind of cute.