Marc Engilbert Geonzon: I don't think any coastie would like to hear that. I don't understand these new weapons. Some cutters carried up to 5" guns, or my beloved 3"/50 in the past. However, these new ones are Bofors guns, which are from a great company whom I trust.
The problem is that peacetime can change to war overnight. We are depending on the idea that the enemy will give us the time to ream the vessels with more capable weapons. The predecessor cutters, with are are much smaller and leds capable than the Bertholf, at least had a 76mm main battery that gave it some shore bombardment and self-defense capability. Given her range, speed, electronics, and aircraft, she was clearly designed to fulfill the role of a frigate in most other navies but without the weapons needed for the role. The Canadian Halifax class frigates are about the same size and has the same ridiculous 57mm main battery. They at least have some missiles for self-defence. something these cutters lack. It just seems crazy to have a ship this large and valuable with a main battery that allows an opponent with a 76mm or, worse, 127mm main battery, to lie out of range and just batter you to pieces with no way to make a response.
I served aboard Cutter Vigorous (WMEC-627) from 1979-1981. One of my biggest life regrets was getting out of the Coast Guard in 1982. I'm 59 years old today, and would re-enlist in a heart beat. I can still get up & down a berthing ladder, and can still cook some great chow! On Vigorous, our Ops. Berthing area housed 16 men. Oh, the pranks we used to play on each other. Taking a roll of duct tape, and rolling it as tight as possible around the Corpsman's padlock on his personal locker. We were only trying to keep him away from his cigarettes. He smoked too much anyway. Good times!
The cook is important, I was a cook to in the USCG and got to stay on Governor's Island for 3 years between 1968 and 1972. I loved everything about the Coast Guard except sea duty.
+austinismyfirstname yes they are. Remember those landing craft that hit Okinawa and Normandy? Those were all gaurdsmen. They were also heavily involved in Vietnam (there's a whole documentary here on youtube about it). The most physically exceptional and driven garudsmen can apply to work in tandem with DOD special operations (IE they get sent to BUDS and SEAL school)
Yes they do have the Phalynx(which could just as easily be sea ram). They also supposedly have 4 50cal MGs plus at least 2 7,62 MGs. That's good for the potential suicide boat(s). The 57mm and phalynx give it a respectable anti-ship missile defence capability considering it's not intended for high intensity combat. Of course any pirate/drug boat would be toast.
Seems to be the direction of the Navy and CG now. It will probably be vary important if the shit really does hit the fan with Russia and China. CG Cutters I think have always, by their appearance at least, been set up to make room for combat upgrades in case the Navy needs the extra firepower. At least thats how I have always interpreted the CG's military role. Perhaps I am reading too much into it and I will admit I am only guessing based on what little I know, but at least in my mind it would make sense.
A 57 mm gun for main armament on a valuable 4500 ton ship. No torpedos. No antisubmarine armament. No anti air missiles. No land attack missiles. No shore bombardment capability. This is not going to end well.
The USCG won't need most of that weaponry during peacetime, I do agree the 76mm or the 5 inch would be better. All cutters have space, weight, and power reserved for additional weapons and systems.
Actually it does have missile defense system which can be seen in the view from the help deck looking up above the location where the person lands helos.
I don't really understand your post given the lack of punctuation. If it's asking what I think it is than, yes, the Coast Guard comes under Navy control in wartime. The only change was from DOT control to Homeland Security in peacetime.
...Coast Guard ships don't need to look mean and intimidating like the Navy ships because one of it's missions is search and rescue... of course, it's other major mission which is interdiction, pre-occupied most of its time nowadays...
>100+ crew. What do all those people do? I know these ships are big, but Jesus! I worked on a Marine Scotland fisheries protection vessel once, and we had less than 30 crew on board. Fair enough, we didn't have weapons or helicopters, but still...
Well my friend, some of the USCG's missions are, SAR, marine safety, fisheries enforcement, law enforcement, PWCS (Ports, Waterways and Coastal Security) and National Defense.
They are 24-7-365, At any one time it is likely that each division on the cutter is missing at least 1 crewman to illness/injury, leave, training, and for the younger crew maternity/paternity leave. That's on top of the fact that each cutter is not fully manned most times (not all billets filled). Add brand new boots out of Cape May that can't currently perform the missions that they are being trained for. They go out and stay out meaning they have to have at least double the personnel of any day operation (if you have all hands standing 12 hour watches - 7 days a week which is not optimal). Each and every member of that crew has multiple duties as well as their main job including man overboard, damage control, fire fighting, battle stations, anchor stations. If anything they are undermanned most times even with new technology that allows a reduced watch.
The gallatin had way more fire power a 5inch 51 two twenty mm 9 50cals and torpedoes plus one call and your gone try going out in hurricanes I been through two we had to go in the shipyards after ship was destroyed !!! We also have a chopper
Aft of the funnel atop the hangar. The Phalanx was not installed at the time of launching it was added to the ships following their sea trials and final fitting out
The Legend Class is a 4,500 ton, $700M disaster waiting to happen. It wouldn't last 5 mins against a 500 ton missile boat. Hamilton Class was better armed than this thing. A single 57mm is too weak and too limited in range for effective NSFS, while also having too slow a fire rate to deal with a swarm boat attack. A single CIWS and 6 machine guns are the only other armament. She needs Harpoons and VLS to fire land attack and anti-air defense missiles. And up the gun to at least a 76mm super rapid. Maybe a 127mm. Both with Vulcano ammunition. The addition of at least 2 bushmaster 25mm canons would help with swarm defense, though 4 would be even better.
@@cgmason7568 It's slower than 25mm, 35mm or 40mm cannon. A higher firing rate is key to anti-swarm. They also need multiple autocannons. More guns, and they need to fire at a high rate. And a 127 with vulcano ammunition for NSFS.
Yes, there are National Security Cutters making WESTPAC patrols with the Navy, there are Cutters in the Persian Gulf and in the Indian Ocean on counter piracy patrols. The Coast Guard deploys just like everyone else.
Notice how they talk so much about accomodations and number of personnel on board? Instead of talking about the central issue of high performance and breakthroughs in hull design. This is at least a 50 knot ship. Very fast. Who cares about how many personnel are on board? Who really cares. Talk about performance.
Why? This ship's main mission is law enforcement. TLAM is a navy weapon designed for expeditionary warfare. The Coast Guard would have no use for such a weapon.
Beautiful. Coast guard has no ugly ships and the bravest of the brave.
That is the truth.
obviously you haven't seen a 270". snub nose, butt f**kn ugly.
@@Hd7725HBLTMR 270 replaced what we called the Cadillacs 327(Taney 37). The lack of superstructure made them ride low to the water.
It looks like a navy destroyer disguised as Coast Guard Cutter. Nice ship!
Expert Thinker I'm in the NJROTC and in a month or two we'll be going on one! :D
Marc Engilbert Geonzon: I don't think any coastie would like to hear that.
I don't understand these new weapons. Some cutters carried up to 5" guns, or my beloved 3"/50 in the past.
However, these new ones are Bofors guns, which are from a great company whom I trust.
They are basically frigates in terms of capability.
Even if it was a refurbished Navy destroyer, the Coastie crew would sail it better than ever before.
As a U.S. Navy veteran I might take issue with that.
The problem is that peacetime can change to war overnight. We are depending on the idea that the enemy will give us the time to ream the vessels with more capable weapons. The predecessor cutters, with are are much smaller and leds capable than the Bertholf, at least had a 76mm main battery that gave it some shore bombardment and self-defense capability. Given her range, speed, electronics, and aircraft, she was clearly designed to fulfill the role of a frigate in most other navies but without the weapons needed for the role. The Canadian Halifax class frigates are about the same size and has the same ridiculous 57mm main battery. They at least have some missiles for self-defence. something these cutters lack. It just seems crazy to have a ship this large and valuable with a main battery that allows an opponent with a 76mm or, worse, 127mm main battery, to lie out of range and just batter you to pieces with no way to make a response.
This is a big step up from the Storis. I thought polar class was great this is great. Enjoy best of sailing.
I served aboard Cutter Vigorous (WMEC-627) from 1979-1981. One of my biggest life regrets was getting out of the Coast Guard in 1982. I'm 59 years old today, and would re-enlist in a heart beat. I can still get up & down a berthing ladder, and can still cook some great chow! On Vigorous, our Ops. Berthing area housed 16 men. Oh, the pranks we used to play on each other. Taking a roll of duct tape, and rolling it as tight as possible around the Corpsman's padlock on his personal locker. We were only trying to keep him away from his cigarettes. He smoked too much anyway. Good times!
The cook is important, I was a cook to in the USCG and got to stay on Governor's Island for 3 years between 1968 and 1972. I loved everything about the Coast Guard except sea duty.
@@scootertrash911 - Yep, sea duty sucked. I remember blowing my cookies over the side many times. Otherwise, I enjoyed cooking for the guys.
+austinismyfirstname
yes they are. Remember those landing craft that hit Okinawa and Normandy? Those were all gaurdsmen. They were also heavily involved in Vietnam (there's a whole documentary here on youtube about it). The most physically exceptional and driven garudsmen can apply to work in tandem with DOD special operations (IE they get sent to BUDS and SEAL school)
I love them cutters. I went from a 210 go that and the difference is mind blowing
The Coast Guard does more and more with less and less, eventually they'll be doing everything with nothing.
True
That's why i got out.
When the were Dept. of Transportation, we used to call the Coast Guard a tiny little division of Amtrak. Still loved the puddle pirates though.
Semper Paratus lives. Very nice ship.
Damn! I wanna go back in to go on one of those!! I got out in 1970. Does the Coast Guard take 72 year old's?
got out in '69- 72yrs- in good shape- will reenlist in nationsl emerg
At 74 year old retired Coastie, I'd be proud to serve on her, crutches, scooter, lift chair and all that stuff.
qual.s up to date?
Was on the Gallatin! These NSC cutters look sweet!
I actually think it has beautiful lines personally, maybe that USCG paint just makes everything look better lol.
Still under funded! Give the CG more assets! 🇺🇸👊🏻
Go USCG! SemperParatus
I serve on 3 ships CG White Sumac, CGC Vigortant & Nantucket Lightship.
Raul Rivera is working for the coast guard fun
I’m thinking about joining
Yes they do have the Phalynx(which could just as easily be sea ram). They also supposedly have 4 50cal MGs plus at least 2 7,62 MGs. That's good for the potential suicide boat(s). The 57mm and phalynx give it a respectable anti-ship missile defence capability considering it's not intended for high intensity combat. Of course any pirate/drug boat would be toast.
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Seems to be the direction of the Navy and CG now. It will probably be vary important if the shit really does hit the fan with Russia and China. CG Cutters I think have always, by their appearance at least, been set up to make room for combat upgrades in case the Navy needs the extra firepower. At least thats how I have always interpreted the CG's military role. Perhaps I am reading too much into it and I will admit I am only guessing based on what little I know, but at least in my mind it would make sense.
+bailong329 I really like her capabilities it seems like she can complement Littoral Vessels the Navy now has.
I hope the CIC is way better than the crap we had from 88 to 91. Too bad it will be wasted during ALPATs.
@Seqtopus Yup its for water to air defense:D
I kinda resembles the Australian Armidale class patrol boat
It would have been nice to see the vid as a Coast Guard boost instead of just a Grumman ad.
thats an impressive speed
A 57 mm gun for main armament on a valuable 4500 ton ship. No torpedos. No antisubmarine armament. No anti air missiles. No land attack missiles. No shore bombardment capability. This is not going to end well.
The USCG won't need most of that weaponry during peacetime, I do agree the 76mm or the 5 inch would be better. All cutters have space, weight, and power reserved for additional weapons and systems.
Sar Jim because she's meant to go after smugglers with AK47s not enemy naval vessels.
yeah but they have crates of flares
Actually it does have missile defense system which can be seen in the view from the help deck looking up above the location where the person lands helos.
Used to have HAROONS and torpedoes on the 378's, but it all was removed by the late 90's I believe.
during war time the coast guard comes under department of the Navy, used to nowadays ???
I don't really understand your post given the lack of punctuation. If it's asking what I think it is than, yes, the Coast Guard comes under Navy control in wartime. The only change was from DOT control to Homeland Security in peacetime.
The Coast Guard is the hardened kernel of professionals that the Navy forms around in times of war.
...Coast Guard ships don't need to look mean and intimidating like the Navy ships because one of it's missions is search and rescue... of course, it's other major mission which is interdiction, pre-occupied most of its time nowadays...
>100+ crew.
What do all those people do? I know these ships are big, but Jesus!
I worked on a Marine Scotland fisheries protection vessel once, and we had less than 30 crew on board. Fair enough, we didn't have weapons or helicopters, but still...
Well my friend, some of the USCG's missions are, SAR, marine safety, fisheries enforcement, law enforcement, PWCS (Ports, Waterways and Coastal Security) and National Defense.
Also she is also considered a warship.
Search and Rescue, marine safety, fisheries enforcement, law enforcement, PWCS, National Defense, and Drug Enforcement.
Drug Enforcement also no dope gets past these ships.
They are 24-7-365, At any one time it is likely that each division on the cutter is missing at least 1 crewman to illness/injury, leave, training, and for the younger crew maternity/paternity leave. That's on top of the fact that each cutter is not fully manned most times (not all billets filled). Add brand new boots out of Cape May that can't currently perform the missions that they are being trained for. They go out and stay out meaning they have to have at least double the personnel of any day operation (if you have all hands standing 12 hour watches - 7 days a week which is not optimal). Each and every member of that crew has multiple duties as well as their main job including man overboard, damage control, fire fighting, battle stations, anchor stations. If anything they are undermanned most times even with new technology that allows a reduced watch.
It will be changed to FF(X)!
Pascagoula is a mess. BUT, best there build the NSC's? International Customers.
Great!
Whos giving squids sharp objects!?!
sharp objects and swabbies,
DontMix!
Tons on the bridge.
The gallatin had way more fire power a 5inch 51 two twenty mm 9 50cals and torpedoes plus one call and your gone try going out in hurricanes I been through two we had to go in the shipyards after ship was destroyed !!! We also have a chopper
austinismyfirstname yes that is what the coast guard Deployable Operations Group is for
I’ll go with ya David if they’ll take a 69 year old radioman
I wonder if the Coast Guard still uses those old Garand Rifles that we used?
Some in boot
Don't these cutters have Phalynx cannons as well?
Yes, one stern mounted CIWS.
That's an Aegis combat destroyer... lol
Where's the anti-missile Gatling gun
Aft of the funnel atop the hangar. The Phalanx was not installed at the time of launching it was added to the ships following their sea trials and final fitting out
The Legend Class is a 4,500 ton, $700M disaster waiting to happen. It wouldn't last 5 mins against a 500 ton missile boat. Hamilton Class was better armed than this thing. A single 57mm is too weak and too limited in range for effective NSFS, while also having too slow a fire rate to deal with a swarm boat attack.
A single CIWS and 6 machine guns are the only other armament. She needs Harpoons and VLS to fire land attack and anti-air defense missiles. And up the gun to at least a 76mm super rapid. Maybe a 127mm. Both with Vulcano ammunition. The addition of at least 2 bushmaster 25mm canons would help with swarm defense, though 4 would be even better.
The 57mm is not a slow firing weapon at all, it is capable of being fitted with more weapons and sensors
@@cgmason7568 It's slower than 25mm, 35mm or 40mm cannon. A higher firing rate is key to anti-swarm. They also need multiple autocannons. More guns, and they need to fire at a high rate.
And a 127 with vulcano ammunition for NSFS.
@@ellennoone8313 from future weapons.
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@@cgmason7568 I thought that the USCGC Dallas had torpedoes, maybe they were lying trying to make us feel better.
@@scootertrash911 did probably before the end of the Cold War
Does the Coast Guard get deployed like the Air Force, Army and Marines do?
Yep
Yes, there are National Security Cutters making WESTPAC patrols with the Navy, there are Cutters in the Persian Gulf and in the Indian Ocean on counter piracy patrols. The Coast Guard deploys just like everyone else.
How about ICE BREAKERS, charlie-61
I'd rather have THE CHASE! (378)!
Better WEAPONS!
9:00, is that a rocket launcher?
Meat Dragon it's called a sea ram which fires rolling airframe missiles used for anti missile and aircraft defense.
japan i ask you hep the for more wrship for the pjilipine about gulo for sout china sea
If they have a shower(and I'm sure they do) it can be coed..lol So can the berths if they dare.
Old guard!
Notice how they talk so much about accomodations and number of personnel on board? Instead of talking about the central issue of high performance and breakthroughs in hull design. This is at least a 50 knot ship. Very fast. Who cares about how many personnel are on board? Who really cares. Talk about performance.
It's a 30 knot ship on a good day, 27 knots on a bad day. Why would you think a vessel this size with one 22,000 kw gas turbine could do 50 knots?
Randy Bramstedt: WE care -- that's a part of ship information.
Next, I want to know what's on the menu!
Randy Bramstedt 50 knots? No way Jose!
because the uscg take care of their own
Why would we tell the bad guys how fast it can go?
they need to replace tomahawk cruise missiles on it/
Why? This ship's main mission is law enforcement. TLAM is a navy weapon designed for expeditionary warfare. The Coast Guard would have no use for such a weapon.
Tomahawk is a bit overkill even for the USCG's wartime role, I'd say more like ESSM, and Harpoons or something.
and you need to actually know what the coast guard does lol
Used to have Harpoons and torpedoes on the 378's but were removed sometime in the late 90's.