Mini Countryman JCW Update - After 2 months do we love it as much as the Clubman ? | 4K
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- I can't believe I been running this car as a longer termer from Mini UK for 2 months now. The big question is do we love it as much as the Clubman JCW ? In this video I am joined by the pups and I share my thoughts after 2000 miles of driving.
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Comparing this spec with the last one I prefer the last! Agree with you about gear/start button & the vents/rev/speedo were better looking on last version! Sometimes change doesn't mean better! Overall a great car & thanks for the video!
13:00 Bit unfair there Ped. They are a Grain transport company and given it's harvest season there's every chance he's going to/from a farm with no choice but to use that road.
Nice one, again. Re the start button, possibly before you were born, that was where you stirred a mini into action. HaHa. Thank you sir once again. Cheers from down under.
Good to see some pup action here.
Can't say I'm a huge fan of the way the car looks inside and out. Anyway another good review Ped 👍
Thanks 👍
Great pup pics - and the car is good too!
Thanks 👍
Not staying in manual mode when using the paddles is a deal breaker for me...that and the sheer size! I'll stick with my Clubman JCW till it rots away I think!
If the car is in Go Kart Mode and the gear selector switch is in Drive Plus (second press down) the pedal shifters stay active until you deselect them. I love mine.
I love your mini. It's such a sharp looking car. I especially LOVE your mini schnauzer and the garage is looking AWESOME! Thank you for everything you do!
Glad you like it!
Great vid Pete love the car n colour garage is coming on nicely 👍🏻👍🏻
i love it. Change is good sometimes and this is a lovely looking car. if i could afford it i would get one. another good video Pedro 👍
Each to their own but I just love the looks and the angle shot at the start of the vid looks imposing, love it. Another great vid Pedro. Garage coming on nicely👍
Cheers Graham 👍
I have the Countryman S here in the US and really like it. It has sport seats but the head restraints don’t project forward as much as the JCW. I just got home from. 400 mile drive and the Countryman did great. More than adequate acceleration. (Doesn’t have as many horses (241 in US) as the JCW but plenty of torque for overtaking and when entering freeway. I a,ways find it amusing when UK reviewers call this a big car as it’s still pretty compact compared to American SUVs and pickup trucks. Final comment, I agree the AR navigation is awesome!
For anyone interested, I've now done nearly 10k miles in my U25 JCW (delivered to me just after launch), coming from a 71 plate Countryman JCW, and previously a Clubman JCW (70 plate).
These are my thoughts:
-Looks great. Much better without the chilli red roof. Definitely spec either body coloured or black roof.
It is nippy, but due to the increased size and weight, needs another 50-70ps and another equivalent amount of torque. It never feels 'fast' from a standstill. Having said that, when you're already at speed (50mph +), it gains more speed verrry quickly.
-All noises from the car, are entirely fake/synthesised. My previous gen (71 plate) Countryman made a subtle, but racey noise from the exhaust. Outside, the u25 sounds like a 1.2ltr petrol. Disappointing. Ped never seems to directly refer to this fact...it does NOT make any of the noises described, externally.
-The interior has far too much black, low quality plastic for a close to £50k car. There should be a lot more soft touch materials, in a lot more places.
-Fits our 40kg dog comfortably and luggage for two of us (on back seats), and has a really practical and usable interior.
-People compliment its looks.
-If you come from any previous gen JCW, it doesn't 'feel like' a mini or JCW. Characteristically, it doesn't drive like a Mini at all.
-It is much more changeable in its attitude, than the previous gen JCWs. It can be soft and wallowing if you like, and more eager in different modes. The previous gen was pretty harsh all the time. Which is a positive.
-The software is incredibly bug-y.
On balance, I do like the car. But there it has lost its "JCW-ness".
Agree with your comment 100% I had one as a loaner and felt the same way. The interior feels cheap and hard plastic everywhere. It also doesn’t feel like a Mini anymore.
Being a Mini owner, I love this. However, the colour of the new new countryman does make a difference. I love it in wither White or Red 😊
Thanks for sharing!
That thing is 250mm longer than the Austin Maxi which it should be called, bet it's not as much fun as my long gone Mini Clubman estate 1975, in which I put in a 1275 gt engine I got 3 speeding tickets in that lol
On the mpg topic. This is the problem with the latest emission laws! Mapping for E10 fuel and getting good BHP out of the engine with stifling emission filters now means cars are going to need to use more fuel to get the same power!
Can’t understand your love for it PP? The interior looks cheap & tasteless ..
Loved your long term review on the Defender 90 …..
I’ve now had my Defender 90 D300 for 3 months & have just returned from a 1,500 mile holiday to central France 🇫🇷 on a Wine tour…
Yes, the rear seats had to be folded flat to accommodate 2x Suitcases + travel necessities & needless to say several cases of Wine & Champagne during the return journey (thankfully only 2 of us).
The Defender performed impeccably & created that much attention too…
Love it ❤
Nice 👌
Hello Peter. Clearly a good car in many ways…looks 8/10, interior 7/10 and enjoyment, well I would need to drive one. Nothing makes me WANT one though and to average 27 mpg over 2000 miles is very thirsty these days…my RR Sport PHEV returns 33/36mpg all the time! the navigation is clever but too distracting and complicated for the job and that dinner plate screen looks a bit unfinished and weak. It osnot a car I would buy but can understand why many people would. Well done again…to you and your two little helpers! Richard😬🙂🙂🙂🙂
Let me get this: Someone at MINI thinks that it makes more sense for a driver to look to the side to get driving info rather than look straight ahead. Okay.
Wow! Those builders have really been cracking on with your garage! Very impressive...and beautiful...even at THIS stage.
Having ridden in a number of Minis from the '60s and early '70s, childhood me would have enjoyed the interior space of this car. The relative quietness and SPEED of this car would've thrilled me back in the day, too.
I see these Clubmans around O'ahu, and they fit in nicely in our traffic. They look more sporting than the usual Nissan or Toyota out on the road.
Today's real-world requirements have supplanted much of the sense of fun and adventure old Mini's used to deliver in spadefulls. These are more than good enough for most of our traffic situations. I won't complain about it. Thumb up! Two thumbs up for the EV version (if that exists)!
Wait till Monday. That’s when the next garage vid drops 👍
@@PetrolPed Oh! You KNOW how to tease!🤣
The waze notifications are so critical driving the UK.
Oh yes 👍
A very honest review on the car that I have looked at as a future addition to the driveway and in fact an older model was the inspiration for me having a hatch JCW originally in the not too distant past. There are a few things you noted in the dislikes that are kind of putting me off i.e. the headrest and the cup holders but I do love the sat nav. The paddles I think I could live with because of all the cars I have had them I think I have used them only a handful of times. I think I would need to drive the car to see if I could really live with it. I do like the styling on the outside especially the quad pipes just a pity that the pro exhaust with the carbon tips is no longer an option on modern day cars and the bonnet scoop that I had with carbon is not there at all on this gen.
Those head restraints would annoy should also see BMW active tourer which it is based
That’s the one I have bought also with pan roof 😊
The thing that amuses me is the fact that if everything is taken out of the interior of that car the original mini would fit inside
Hahahahahaah! Prolly right! 😂
Well, your review makes me so happy I own one of the last of the classic Clubmans. That Countryman is too much a golf cart with an attitude. The view screen in and awfully dangerous place, just weird, and I'd keep looking for the stick shift. Wondering if the Mini tech guys actually drive. ;>) Always enjoy the pups, as well as your reviews. Love Mini, but seems they're headed down a dead end. Hope I'm wrong and they put it in reverse... ;>)
Keep up the good work 😀
Thanks, will do!
You need to pop back to your car wash guys, Pete... they didn't get the bird pancake off the spoiler! (4:06) 🙂
My partner and I have had Mini’s since 2003 (2 of them, CM’s) and I test drove this car a few weeks ago and fell in love. I need bigger for 2 dog crates so I’m not bummed about the size at all. The car is fun to drive and looks so cool. Love all the amazing tech in the car too. Thanks so much for this review. Mine is ordered but will be November before it arrives. Your schnauzers are adorable!
Ah thanks mate. Enjoy your new wheels 👍
Excellent video as always.. Honest and true.
Not driven the JCW model but have driven the EV version and I think it was a great car for what it’s designed for and I agree it’s a large car but it is based on the X2. People so outgrow there cars over time , a young family with push chairs and all of the stuff required for a baby would not fit in a 3 door cooper it this is great
Great on Pete looks like a good alrounder
I have the electric version of this car - the Countryman Sport S E Level3 (which is also badged as a JCW) and have now covered 3000 miles in it since April. I agree with quite a few of your findings especially how unpleasant the front head restraint angle is. And to make it comfortable you have to set the seat rake to BMW M3-a-like 316D boy racer deck chair rake which isn’t safe! You should take a loaner electric version sometime as it will surprise you how good it is at masking the extra weight. The silly ear warmer flap things on the rear window don’t look anywhere near as obvious if you have the black roof or the body colour roof,but red just looks awful. Love the driver assist on long runs and the S E is very comfortable (head restraints apart) on a long motorway haul. Recently got from Central Scotland to Harrogate on almost a single charge (had to add 10 minutes of charge to avoid anxiety!) over a bank holiday weekend at mostly motorway speed and over 235 miles arriving with 5% SOC. I am averaging 3.9miles/kWh (equivalent to just shy of 160mpg…….) over 3000 miles which isn’t as good as my previous Cooper S E hatch electric but for a car permanently driving all 4 wheels via 2 electric motors and nigh on 2.1t and that likes to be driven in a spirited fashion, isn’t bad at all. Around town I’ve even got it over 5.3m/kWh on several occasions
Lovely sound, undecided on the looks
Great video ped love the mini
Thanks 👍
Didn’t know about the hold set button fix. Thanks. Have you found the vinyl record Easter egg yet?
I like the previous generation better. Have a 2023 JCW, is absolutely awesome.
U R the best😊👍🏿 cheers from thestates
Thanks 🙏🏻
Happy birthday for Saturday
Cars ok, but the dogs are mint 👌
Thank you 🙏🏻
Great video. Thanks. Still waiting for mine to be delivered. I’ve read in forums about people having lots of issues with bugs in the software. One in particular seems to be that the Auto climate control doesn’t work and requires you to manually change fan speed instead. Have you had any issues?
Not so far 👎
Would you consider doing a series where you review the stock level of the performance model and then a stage one tuned version. To see whether light mods and tuning is actually worth it or whether it makes the drivability worse? Could be a cool video.
I’ve done quite a few videos with tuned cars and been down that road with my own car 👍
insanely expensive for what it is. I get the fun factor but on this price range, you have many many and better options
Wish I had the automatic liftgate though… electronics shortages nixxed that option on mine.
Pete love your content. So we are still friends
I think I can get two sets of golf clubs in it. But the PRICE. I thought it was at least £10k less. Crazy.
Well obviously I like the 300bhp, but then, then, th . . . then I'm distracted by another video of yours, because I wasn't using full screen, and it says," A HUGE V8 ENGINE"!!!!!!
I saw this car parked at Waitrose, Chichester. It definitely wasn't as clean then! 😊
I think there was one teaser ahead lounching the new MINI saying " You dont f..k with a legend"
Well...I think they just did that!
I had a my 1 loved it not sure on this one, followed a new mini and I could see the center display from a good cars length away
Sorry, I don't like the look of the Countryman, inside or outside.
It looks like a truck from the back & front and hearse from the sides.
@@kayshoaf8150 You like it then!!
@@grahamknibbs5481 no! Wouldn’t buy one for anything. Got am X1 instead.
Ive got one and its the dogs fucking bollucks!! 😃
Lost me when he said ‘Range Rover-esq’ looks like and old Kia soul or Fiat fat 500 thing 🤢
i really like the new design language, we've had 20 years of the previous language in and out and it was well overdue an update....looks good, and your review seems to shows thats more than sin deep, a few minor niggles aside.
That angle of the car right at the beginning 🤩 it’s a beautiful car
My 1st car was an Austin Mini 850cc 1978S. I'm not so sure about the speedo of this new Mini being in the middle like my old one. I think HUD is a must have option.
The seats, though annoying, I'm not too worried as that is a change that is relatively easy to do. Like Mini if customer feedback is bad they can change it
How you could even begin to compare this thing to the F54 JCW is beyond me. RIP charlie clubman.
Just listening to you, especially at the start of the video, you are confirming what I think about this „thing“. When I hear “Range Rover” in the context of a Mini JCW review, everything has been told.
I will hold on to my 2023 Clubman JCW as long as it will carry me 😢
And BTW, Porsche managed to stick to the round headlights for how many years?
The Porsche 996 was hated and only is still on the road because it is the cheapest in comparison to the others (don’t start with the air cooled topic, it is not the point)…
Ped shamelessly trying to get more likes by upping the quantity of pup shots. Bravo 😉
Damn…you’ve seen through me 😂😂😂
As you are a cyclist and a very keen motor enthusiast , could you do a video of the mind set of cyclists. Why they ride 4 abreast jump red lights and this is the best I’ve seen so far, climb over a crashed car with their bikes on a closed road?, then have an all out rage when tackled. We often see them in the vale of Evesham 4 abreast making it illegal to overtake even when using the other side the road due to the 1.5m rule?
Of course every cyclist is like those stereotypes 🤷♂️🙄
I am also a mini fan have the f56 1.5. Funny nice car. Luckily the 3d is still a real mini. Besides the interior which is nice for the joung yuppies but it lacks quality and class in my opinion. A shame the clubman is gone and the new countryman is just to bulky this is not a mini anymore . So if you can try to find a good used one previous model.
I wonder what dear old John Cooper would have made of the new Minis? I met him once, in the 90s, when he sold my wife a Honda at his dealership in Ferring, West Sussex. She traded in her E reg Prelude for a L reg Concerto. Big mistake. 😂 Clearly this huge Mini is a nice car, but is it any more a Mini than the new Capri is a Capri?
I am good friends with his grandson Charlie. He loves it 👍
Are there verbal satnav instructions? Those along with the mark 1 eyeball would be much better than the augmented reality. Otherwise just too much to look at. Great review though.
Looks with a bin lid for the entertainment. Can't wait around to find the price of this monstrosity
Love the interior and that central circle screen, Pete. Exterior 50/50. How much is it, though?
£41.5k to £46.7k 👍
I’d be interested to now see you jump into the electric Countryman. Would the electric drivetrain dispel the complaints about the auto gearbox? Or would you miss the audible exhaust notes more?
Might have to find out 👍
27.7mpg! My new D350 90 Defender does nearly 40mpg 😮
We’ve got a second gen countryman 1.5 cooper on a 19 plate. Not sure of that cars looks either but it’s lights have a square kind of appearance. I think this generation is a bit more cohesive.
We find it’s a bit gutless but that’d be solved going for 2 litre engine. I think that unit is much better suited to a car of that size. We don’t need a sporty performer I; our bigger car but we found my dads old a4 avant with 2 litre diesel with 140 ponies was better, as it had a better slug of torque where you need it.
Fuel economy is dreadful even for the 1.5 litre yet it’s free to get into ulez - golf diesel you have to pay (unless it’s a gtd strangely - the diesel gti is free, go figure! I’m trying to persuade dad to upgrade his mk7 golf to one.
Unfortunately, our mini has started glitching at five years old - last year it’s been on a low loader twice, plus another couple of gremlins that are frustrating. Plus engine management lights keep coming on.
Maybe the truck was collecting bulk grain from a farm 🤔
Not having a Manual shift mode - ugh! Not having a gear lever with the auto that allows +/- shifting is another UGH!
I loathe how head restraints touch your head when you're driving, I have had to have my upholsterer adjust them on my last couple of cars!
Interesting!
Just seen these in mini crikey £47,000 and electric £57, 000 but love the looks but way past my bank balance 🙂
Do you prefer it to the clubman jcw overall??
No 👎
I so wanted to love this car. We put a deposit 2 years ago, but for the first time ever, we cancelled. I am a MINI SE owner, and love all things mini. Unfortunately, I am one of the people in the "don't like it" camp. I think it is way too big - it is larger than the c40 we bought instead. It doesn't look like a MINI any more in my opinion. My SE gives me all the go kart I can handle (especially with ad09 tyres), so this was going to be the "sensible" car. I would have bought a full EV version of the previous generation in a heartbeat, but not this model.
I understand MINI is moving with the times, but maybe I am just old fashioned. Sorry for being negative, I am sure this is a great car - just not for me.
Once more here we have some delicious food for the algorithm ;-)
Thanks for the review Ped. Starts of by saying it’s a real nice place to be in… only to continue to explain the materials suck, the start button sucks, the bottle holder sucks, the little cabinet is useless, the seats are horrible and poke your head constantly, the steering wheel is too fat, the gear switches are in the wrong place, there is all sorts wrong with the screen… etc etc… So it it’s a really nice driving car this… 😂😂😂
It’s called being objective. Yes there are things I’m not that keen on but that doesn’t mean it’s not a lovely place to spent time in 🙄
Ok but what about trying to adjust heating etc using touch screen …eyes off the road ..accident waiting to happen
I use the voice control while driving to change climate settings. Easy.
I saw one in Annecy last week. I really had doubts about its looks, however in the flesh its a very attractive car. I'm not sure about interior still. I don't understand why Mini insist on the terrible Head Up unit. BMW have one of the very best windscreen projection systems. Why not use them.
For me, I'd take the BMW X1 M30.
Wow, that manual mode that automatically drops out of manual would be a total deal-breaker for me. I live in Cornwall where I can anticipate the constant left/right/up/down road better than any auto can, so I'm in manual much of the time (in my BMW 128ti). I'm usually only in auto in town, or on straight roads. And there aren't many straight roads in Cornwall. So I'm in manual mode a long time. So if the car kept forcing me back into auto, wow that would be so annoying. And the other deal-breaker: in the latest Minis, and all the Mini-based BMW's (the front drive bias ones), they've dropped the best interior feature BMW had: the iDrive control wheel. So now you're stabbing at a touchscreen much of the time. No thanks. So glad I bought my Beemer last year before they messed that up as well. My old Mini Countryman (and your Clubman) was much less annoying inside. iDrive control wheel, a proper gear select lever, buttons for heating and stereo. Lovely.
The seat back and headrest look awful from the side, you look really hunched
I just don't like the new ones. The real issue is their slow! I have the JCW Clubman you had or still have and it's tweaked to 325 HP and some other upgrades and its so fast, quick and handles amazingly. These new one just don't new that. FYI where I live here is the states I still haven't seen one on the road yet?
Sorry, I was distracted by the garage build in the background :)
😜😂😂
I honestly think BMW/MINI should of just made the countryman as a Countryman instead of trying to base it off the Mini Cooper, MINI should of just played around with the MINI Cooper instead of messing with the Countryman, the previous countryman was perfectly fine and had fine materials and felt premium and quality, whereas now they’ve just made the countryman a big rolling piece of plastic on the road, and we all know once plastic gets old and brittle it’s going to be expensive, whereas the Countryman F60 didn’t have so much plastic in the interior compared to the U25.
Edit: Which is why I’ve made the decision to keep my 2023 F60 Countryman Exclusive Edition but as I’ve said they’ve discontinued making the F60 so I’m probably gonna have to get a different car brand now, so goodbye MINI.
If you don't like manual shifting going back to the drive mode on its own, set the gearbox to the sport mode and then use manual - it shouldn't go back at least in the F-series cars.
Gained so much size and gadgetry, making it unruly heavy and expensive. Meanwhile it doesn't help with driver engagement. Mini could use some lighter materials like aluminium or CFRP for construction, with those retail prices.
Even Stevie Wonder would find the car ugly, inside and out!
l love mine !!!
Mercedes has same issue wrt auto box when you put into manual it will revert to auto after a while. Quite annoying
Don't like the interior styling or exterior either and would think that fabric dash would fade/sun damage overtime. You looked some what uncomfortable hunched over with those silly forward tilting headrests.
How to trade off own timeless design for a mall crawler replica of Volvo and LR. That’s where your sales grow and values fade away
WHO....In their right mind, is going to pay in excess of £46k for an UGLY MINI, quite unbelievable...G.A.R.
Not wildly enthusiastic. I think it is a stretch to see the same DNA as in the Cooper. I guess for us Brits the Aceman is meant to be the spiritual successor to the last generation Countryman and the Clubman. The Countryman has been designed for the US market where the Countryman needed to be bigger to be even a mini SUV. Call me, in the new American parlance, weird but I cannot reconcile the John Cooper Works badge with a tubby pretend SUV.
Lots of comments from people that have not actually driven the U.25 Countryman.
We took delivery one month ago of a Countryman C Sport with a level 3 pack that looks almost identical to the JCW your driving (same colour combination but with 19” black alloy wheels that we think make the car look better).
Ours is front wheel drive, 1.5l turbo. The brakes are smaller at the rear and have black callipers rather than red and black detail in the front number rather than red otherwise visually identical to the JCW.
Like you the headrests are too far forward and non adjustable so annoying. We had the voice command for the SatNav stop working on a long journey which was annoying an over the air update cured this. Sometimes when clicking in the seat belt the seat moves forward to the saved position then moves back so you have to unlatch and connect again.
The control to change temperature is frankly awful the software engineers should feel ashamed too many touches to alter.
The suspension is overly firm (typical BMW) but overall we love the car. It’s practical, fun to drive, the massage function is cool, great sunshine roof makes the car airy and it has loads of space for four or five people.
It was a dream on our trip to The Peak District and is nimble on country roads and composed on motorways. Low wind noise and low tyre noise.
We love the looks and the cabin overall a thumbs up.
Houses the garage build
Whose bright idea was the plastic chequered flag thing on the front?? I guess they'd say it's suggestive of its sporty credentials. An alternative view would be that it looks like a big Hitler moustache.
The Jeep Avenger 4xe has so much to investigate and report on, it will show the Countryman as totally lame.
Lovely car just worry about reliability being a BMW.
Kia?
How did you dent the driver’s side rear door and how much to fix it 🤔
Also the headrests seem to stick out too far forward, altho I’ve seen that in other new cars aswell 🫣
Not for me, altho I do like the 3 door MINI models 🚗
The last great countryman was the r60 the newer lost the mini look and is way too big.
I'm back
I just don't get massive mini's. Have a big car by all means, just don't call it a mini. Play with words call it the maxi or something pf that ilk. Also I think it's a bit ugly to be honest, the headlights and overall look are wrong for a mini. Just doesn't do it for me.
WE DONT NEED OUR CAR POLICING US .!!! ITS GETTING REALLY STUPID WITH ALL THIS SO CALLED SAFETY TECH BS.!!! THEIR MAKING THE PEOPLE REALLY STUPID.!!!
You’re Caps Lock is stuck on 😜😂
I'm not a fan of the new Mini styling inside or out it's trying to hard and isnt a good flow of design from front to back.