Flashpoint/Godox 600W Special Edition Its a Lemon
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The Flashpoint/Godox Special Edition 600 W strobe looked good on paper but its the biggest lemon of 2024. Good package and nice LCD color screen but falls flat on delivery. Facts checked not simple words for hype. Check out the video and you will see why!
Try both 600’s and the 200 with the same modifier and measure again 🙌
I measured with the bare bulbs first and was same ratio. I put the reflectors to not blind the video camera while recording. Regardless the new 600 has a stop less power than the old one. The power output should be 1,5 stops stronger than the 200w one .
Der Vergleich mit dem hier gezeigten Setup hinkt etwas. Das liegt daran, dass der mitgelieferte "Reflektor" des 600er (der eigentlich nur eine Schutzkappe ist) nichts taugt. Wenn man an den 600er einen ordentlichen Standardreflektor ansetzt, zeigt der Blitz, was er wirklich drauf hat. Das gleiche Problem hat auch der AD600pro, den es schon ein paar Jahre lang gibt. Was ich bei dem neuen Special Edition viel weniger mag, ist die wesentlich mehr verschachtelte Menüführung und ganz besonders der fehlende Handgriff am Heck.
Ich habe den mitgelieferten Reflektor verwendet, da dieser für die beste Leistung optimiert sein sollte. Vergessen Sie nicht, dass es mit nur einem Drittel seiner Leistung verglichen wurde. Sie können auch einen Magmode-Fresnel am AD 200 verwenden und er wird den 600 mit jedem Reflektor schlagen. Ich denke, die Zeit der Fotografie-Blitzgeräte geht zu Ende und die kontinuierliche Beleuchtung wird stärker genutzt
I was looking for a flash for sport action freezing, martial arts, close up. I am always being led to get a AD600. Are they even worth it if the power is not much more? Is their flash duration time better and AD200? So, I am also under the impression that a AD200 can't overpower the sun for outdoor use. Are you suggesting the 600se cant either?
To overpower the sun it Depends on the distance tobthe subject and modifier used , but both flashes can overpower the sun .using the HSS to freeze action outdoors with the sun up its a different story . If you need the long shooting time than the 600 makes more sens if you want ti use big light modifiers again the 600 will be better . For everything else 200 its more versatile , also you can buy 2 200s for the price of 1 , 600 and have better options . For action sports like karate its nice to have 2 lights or more . 600 are very very heavy and need heavy duty stands , the 200s very light
But again depending on how you use them and particular needs both are good choices . How you plan on using the strobe ? With big light modifiers ir reflectors ? Outdoors or indoors more ?
Power depends of modifier, 600w flash makes wide ray of light. Try with softbox. Good luck!
Its ok for what i want to use it and i like the hard reflectors . Thanks
@@tonyroscaphotography try your reflector from godox 600bm it will change everything )
I need to use matching reflectors on all the strobes. And i have to buy a couple of more 600s but I will might go with the older version. I am doing a project where I can not rent lights because its long term and will be way more renting Profotos than just buying the Godoxes
@@tonyroscaphotography so... is not a lemon..is just not convenient for your needs , click bait .
@@samarianosans i bought it and it was my experience with it, i still have them and still think the same thing . Also I do use bunch of Godox lights . You have to take your own decision comparing the good and the bad . It doesn’t mean all of us has to agree on the same thing but on this channel i am expressing my personal experiences and never aim for click bait titles. Sorry it came across to you that way
so this is a bit of atangent as I was experimenting with things I was again really impressed at the AD200pro and the light you can get out of that AD-S2 little cheap reflector you can get that mates with the bare bulb. I was confinced there was no way to get more power out of that light than that modifier. I was wrong, the Glow EZ-lock 28" parabolic soft box pulled 1/3 stop more light from that little light. Very impressive. Anyone have the next sizes up (they have a 38" and 48") to see if that pulls anymore power out of the AD200pro? I used the reflector plate but no diffusion.
More on topic, again I will say that the AD600pro power is lost until you get to larger modifiers, then it performs at least 1.5 stops over the AD200pro in every modifier I put it in, just not with standard smaller reflectors and especially the stock AD600pro reflector, that thing is more of a protective cap than a reflector. Bare bulb it also outperforms the AD200pro by 1.5 stops as you'd expect. That is where our results differ and I wonder why..
Nicely said , 600 SE it s not showing on Godox site and its the first flash they didnt launched simultaneously. Also i see its 1lb heavier thand the older 600w which are consistent with you findings in power output or hard to believe I got 2 bad new ones . I like Godox/Flashpoint flashes and I am long time user but something doesnt add up with this model
@@tonyroscaphotography Yeah I have not tried the special yet and I do wonder what is different than the older AD600 models and since it looks nearly idendical to the AD600pro I'm wondering how it differs from that model too. Your testing does not bode well on the special so I'm gonna steer clear for now.
I think perhaps that Adorama made a deal with Godox to get exclusive access to this model for a while or permanently or something like that.
On a different note I have found that some reflectors and modifiers perform very differently from a pure power level perspective. I stuck an AD100pro into a S2 bracket and put on a RFT-19 reflector and got huge power out of it. Insanely it was more power than the AD200pro with bare bulb put out in the same reflector, and more than the AD600pro with the RFT-19 reflector. It must be bulb shape, depth or something. I tried a speedlight with a rectangle fresnel head and again huge power 70w light put out more than the AD600pro in that refletor it was hard to believe. The AD200pro with the fresnel head in that RFT-19 reflector was also hugely powerful. That RFT-19 loves fresnel heads...
What did I learn? Well, test your lights with different modifiers if you are wanting the most power out of your lights you can get. Who knew I could take an AD100pro to a shoot I'm using only simple reflectors on and get more out of it than the AD600pro.
Note 1: I have not tested what the light patter n looks like at all out of these configurations.
Note 2: When you stick any of these in a large modifier the power level of the light used really matters a lot and it tracks with the stated power on each strobe at that point. In large modifiers bare bulb lights perform way better than the fresnel head lights or speedlights.
Very interesting findings! I tend to use more reflectors and small modifiers and your info it is very good .
Flashpoint was an Adorama brand different from Godox, i still have some 500w and 1000w strobes somewhere in storage . Maybe 15-20 years ago was when i bought them . Back then 1000w was the norm for me but now a speed light its more interesting .
I will play with different reflectors for sure now after your info. I am using book lighting and diffusion panels a lot lately and being able to use small flashes will be great to get rid of the weight. I really like and respect people like you who try to understand lighting and modifiers . You meed to share more of your testing ! Best regards!
@@tonyroscaphotography Okay this is gonna be hard to believe but I did a side by side with 2 AD200pro strobes. setup 1 was bare bulb with the AD-S2 reflector which we know is pretty awesome. The 2nd setup was using the AD200pro with Fresnel head in the RFT-19 reflector and at 6ft it was 1 1/3 stops more powerful than the AD-S2 reflector with bare bulb. At 6ft I read 1/200th ISO 64 F/28.... The AD100 in the same RFT-19 reflector read F/20 so slightly more power than the bare bulb AD200pro with the AD-S2 reflector... just nuts what that RFT-19 reflector can do with a fresnel head, thats the key...
Still need to have a look at the light pattern and take some sample shots to see how they turn out.
Wow, you have no ideea how much you help me with this info. I need to order asap a fresnel head because that kind of output will be perfect for a project I am doing and I want ti use book lighting and want to bounce the light off unbleached muslin for a warm look and need a really light set up. Man you make my day! I got distracted by the weird patterns you get with the fresnel head and didnt think when you bounce the light you get rid of patterns . I can use a video fresnel but adds weight to my set up which is already heavy because of all the c stands i have to take with me . Awesome !
AD600 pro is one stop brighter than my AD300 pro when using the standard 7 inches reflector, deep umbrella 85cm, both measured by sekonic and from 200 cm away, same hight, same spot and myself standing behind the flash while taking the measurement
That should be the right power difference . Do you have ad200s?
You used the S bracket? If so, pull the AD300 back a little and you will see it will match the power of the AD600. Just to say, it’s a lot more complicated to normalize.
@hiepvophan i will try for sure, thanks!
@@tonyroscaphotography no, I only have the 100, 300 and 600
That new modmifer is garbage, you need to use the same modifier on both of them
I know , but the point is I want to use them as I bought them , that 1.5 stops more power gets lost pretty fast and i can rise the ISO one stop for AD200 and dont need to carry the extra weight.
Iv been a Photographer for over 50 years . and im im still using 4 #Einstein 640. / Nikon Sb800 for over. 20 / 2 of them . years and still have them . . Old School im not depending $1200 for 1 Light . none Sense
I still have Einsteins too!✌️love them and still going strong ! I agree with you ! If its working don’t change it! Respect!
Something is not setup correctly, I have 2 of the pro 600s, 2 of the original 600s, 2 of the 400s, 300s & 200s and the 600s have the most output. I also measure with a flash meter, the Minolta flash meter VI.
The original 600s have the most output indeed . I did not kept the 600 pros because had more than a stop less power than the 600s . Dont forget between 200w and true 600w is only 1.5 stop difference . If you watch the video you saw i used 2 different Sekonic meters to double check the readings , both meters in the same time .
Clearly you must have done something wrong!! I have 5 AD200, 5 AD600Pro, one AD1200. The AD600 is significantly more powerful than the 200 and recycles twice as fast. Differences in reflectors can greatly skew the results but I would not be surprised that you made some other fatal error such as set it to 1/4 power. Or perhaps you have a one in ten thousand faulty unit?
The difference between 200 W and 600 W is just 1.5 stops . The older 600W models hold true that difference . The newer 600 models have 1 stop less power at least few flashes I tested . The reflector each flash came with has to be the best fit and at least should be 1 stop difference . The 600 will recycle faster for sure but there is not too much difference in power output compare with a 200 .its just the perception because are bigger, heavier and more expensive . For me are useful when i have to shoot extended periods of time .
Don't pay attention to him, he's very idiotic, he doesn't understand the difference of bad reflectors that waste light. In the video it can clearly be noticed that he has no idea how the reflectors operate that if they project versus those that do not work.
Agree with the previous comment. you should compare with the same reflector or mondifier. The stock reflector / protective cap on the AD600pro and that special are notoriously bad. My only gripe about the newer line. Also, the reflector you have on the ad200 bare bulb is well known to be it's most powerful configuration, matching even the stock fresnel head in power, impressive little strobe.
It should be clear 1.5 stops more powerful. I tried barebulb first and was same ratio. I will try with a 7” reflector on both and let you know later today. The ad200 its really badass !😂
@@tonyroscaphotography I just ran the same bare bulb test with my AD200pro -vs- my AD600pro and at 1/200th and ISO100 I at about 6ft I got 6.3 on the AD200pro and 12.7 on the AD600pro this is more than 1.5stops. Perhaps you got a faulty sample or the special model is not comparable to the AD600pro... I ran the same test through a shoot through umbrella and the AD600pro was a full 2 stops more powerful than my AD200pro... As somone else mentioned as well the AD600pro recycle time at 1/1 was far faster than the AD200pro too... I will admint with small reflectors I don't see a big difference in power output but when you feed the larger light larger modifiers it far outperforms the 200watt superlights... It also proves to me that the optimized little reflector on the bare bulb ad200pro is amazing and so is the fresnel head albiet a bit blue.
@maarekstele2815 i think at 6’ with ad200 bare bulb my readings are 8.9 to 11.2 across all my units . You are right the little reflector its badass and the recycling time of the 600 is faster if need it.
@maarekstele2815 i always had a problem with the light pattern of the fresnel head , i throw away all the heads i had because every single one had a significant spotty pattern . How is your experience with the fresnel ?
@@tonyroscaphotography light pattern isn’t too much fun but thing is in most work that isn’t really seen much. If I’m running tests on patters on the wall or ding real estate work it would bug me.
The comparison of the 200 and the new 600 has to be a joke, the big difference in power output is caused by the different reflectors, please tell me this a prank and you are not serious.
The older 600 models perform more in line with their power output , Godox doesnt have it on their website …. Really dont know what to make of it..
@@tonyroscaphotography Do a video testing both of them using a big softbox outside and you will see why we need 600 watts
I will, personally i use power packs outside when need it because the heads are light, a big strobe and a big softbox gets top heavy and need to sandbag it . For my work that is getting into trouble fast because i am in a windy area . But I will do it when i get the chance .