Hello! Make sure to watch [What Else 13] before this one: ruclips.net/video/a1-fkE6YdvQ/видео.html. It's crucial to watch the previous one to understand the premise of this video, as it's a direct continuation! Also, tell me what you think about the story! Do you think things should have gone differently? Please comment your thoughts below!
Totally agree with the outcome. It would be interesting to see what happens in the rest of this universe.... Goku never fights Raditiz or Vegeta.... Does he still even go to Namek? Does Dr. Gero make the androids as strong as we know them to be? What cells are used to make Cell? I personally think Dr. Gero would take over earth (and eventually beat Frieza).
Wouldn't at all be surprised if him unlocking ssj4 ultimately saved his life... Because let's be real ssj4 takes a beating and keeps kicking. (And it even reverted kid Goku curse...) But def a well deserved comeuppance
@@Jamstaro1 honestly hope theirs another part to this or another what if for this what if like if goku could stall for enough time for a spirit bomb whos to say they couldnt do that for a idk hypothetical interest of frieza wanting to see vegeta full power [SSJ4] like idk vegeta was doing research and seeing if theirs something beyond even SS3 and he feels like he can do something but he just doesnt know what besides a gut feeling it has to do something with great ape.
@@JadoBouhzam Probably, since a theoretical SS3 Great Ape Vegeta would have a power lvl of 72M so whatever power multiplier SS4 would give would likely surpass 100% Frieza. Though unless Vegeta triggers SS4 immediately against Frieza he's getting bodied like he did in the video.
nah their main mistake was not blitzing freiza, if they did that they wouldve won handily. But villians in DBZ LOVE to gloat so that was never gonna happen
Honestly, props to Vegeta even realizing they needed to before Frieza finished. It was too little too late, but as cocky as they had gotten, it was inevitable things would go out of control, knowing what we know.
Frieza is too durable. Remember he survived namek blowing up with half a body and an angry Kamehameha. Same with broly 90 mins and God toppo owning him in super.
@@MrVariantFrieza got sliced into two by his own death saucers, cut in half by Trunks instantly, and had his tail cut by Krillin. In addition he was one shot and knocked out his form by Jiren
@@NeonSwordsManFangattack well trunks killed him instantly like Fusion Reborn Teen Gohan (cell saga should be tween gohan lol), which Z and GT were big on villain decay. Otherwise he hit hard and kept transforming like dragon quest 4 Psaro.
- Dragon mentions that before granting the wish, all 3 Saiyans will lose all their future potential and cap at whatever multiplier SS3 grants - Saiyans ignore this - Saiyans immediately go and pull up on Frieza ...Oh. that's gore. That's gore of the Saiyans
Love the twist of him turning Super Saiyan 4 after death. I absolutely love how you mix every aspect of the Dragon Ball canon into your What If scenarios. It's so cool to see what could have been had characters discovered these things that (when their arcs were written) didn't exist
@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 Best chance they have is If Gohan could still fight the weaker androids, atleast until Bulma could finish the time machine and go back
@@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 The Androids would also be weaker since they weren't made using Saiyan Saga Data in this timeline. They'd still be strong but vastly weaker than the Main Timeline. Cell might not even need to have been created if Goku shows his small growth from the Ending of OG DB and the Beginning of Z.
It's possible Goku could train more. Basing off Salad Saiyan's What if Bardock went Super Saiyan Against Frieza, Goku would train under Kami and Kami would ask King Kai to train him.
That's kind of a sad end for the Saiyans. Maybe Goku can yet still prosper on an Earth untouched by Frieza's forces, but with the Android threat over the horizon, I would not bet on it.
The androids would be substantially weaker without the saiyan and frieza saga having happened, as gero somehow had frieza dna he at the very least got the dna from when frieza was killed on Earth. The Z fighters might have a chance with them being so weak even if goku died from heart disease
Even if they still die, Future Trunks (Son of Yamcha and Bulma) or Future Gohan could go back in time and help the Z Fighters survive against the Androids.
Well, Future Trunks would still exist, but in this case he would be the son of Yamcha and Bulma. Although who knows, maybe he won't exist if Bulma breaks up with Yamcha for whatever reason. Also, another reason for the idea of time travel is to change the past, but we all know about the multiverse theory.
We all knew it was going to happen. Vegeta’s power, even in Golden Great Ape, wouldn’t have been able to match Final Form Frieza. Yet, even then, this was a blast to watch. It’s dramatic and tense, the lingering sense of dread over the inevitable ending is palpable. You never disappoint, ‘Jutsu, and I’m eager to see What Else #15 and all it has to show.
@@SuperKamiGuruu Golden Great Ape is at least more than 8x SS3 based on the Goku and Baby scaling in GT GGA Goku > SF2 Baby (SS3) 4x> SF1 Baby (SS2) 2x> SS1 Baby > SS3 Goku So GGA Vegeta >>>>>57,600,000 SS4 is at the very least 8x GGA because of SS4 Goku being comparable to GGA Baby Though with the whole trend of Great Ape being a 10x boost and SS4 Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. I’d say GGA is likely 10x SS3 while SS4 is 10x GGA. So the power levels for Vegeta if he had unlocked SS4 probably would’ve been Base Vegeta = 18,000 SS1 Vegeta = 900,000 SS2 Vegeta = 1,800,000 SS3 Vegeta = 7,200,000 GGA Vegeta = 72,000,000 SS4 Vegeta = 720,000,000
@XRaiden1 Nah, they wished for it, and got the drawback of basically saying they'd never get stronger past that no matter the training. The real takeaway here is if you're gonna wish for power, don't get it from the dragon that's gonna monkey paw your wish.
@XRaiden1 No, they didn't. They wished for their fullest potential to be unleashed via the dragon Toronto, at the cost of them being unable to grow in power ever again. So, not only did they take a shortcut in having SSJ through SSJ3 without training their own powers, but even if they did train, they no longer have the ability to grow in strength, or exploit the Zenkai to become more powerful, since this IS them at their absolute strongest.
Cool hypothetical ssj4 vegeta when he died. Honestly the saiyans probably should trained a bit before making the whole wish for power. That way their potential would be alot higher when the wish was made
To be honest they had no idea about that he could transform even once let alone get so much more powerful, it'd be like if Cui went super alien 42 or smth on namek against vegeta for us, they didn't even suspect possibility of him being that much stronger Imagine it like this, you use a cheat code in some rpg game and reach lvl 999 then go fight a guy who was in your eyes at best lvl 100, then he suddenly changes into levels above million that you didn't even consider was possible
Amazing work as always! I thought Raditz might find the Super Saiyan 4 form since Bardock’s wish for him to thrive was mentioned. Wouldn’t it be fitting if Raditz took over Frieza’s empire?
Damn that's dark... so they didn't know about the possibility of SSJ4 and I dont think anyone in the last video anticipated this either. I'm confused as to how Frieza killed Golden Ape Vegeta. What's the multiplier on that? And was he a SSJ Ape or a SSJ3 Ape? Can SSJ4 Vegeta even overcome Final Form Frieza, let alone 100% Frieza?
Great Ape is a X 10 multiplier, with SSj1 that makes it X500 for Golden. 25% stronger than SSj3 but still nowhere close to being a threat to Frieza at that point in the story.
@@Stellerman7 funny thing is, ssj4 is usually seen as a 2500x multiplier, and even with that freezer 50% would have been too much, without the zenkai boost they legit stood no chance
He killed Golden Ape Vegeta because he was probably around 9 million at best, that's not even 10% of true form Frieza's power, the multiplier should be 900,000(SSJ Vegeta) * 1, stronger than his SSJ3 form but as you see not even close to be a real threat to Frieza, now if he had the time to change into a SSJ4 while alive his power would skyrocket to 72 millions and then Vegeta would have the chance to kill Frieza right away.
@@Stellerman7if you analyse Goku vs baby, you’ll realise that x500 is nowhere near enough for that fight to make sense. Super Baby 2 was scared of the ape when he previously manhandled Ssj3 in a weaker form. If Super Baby 2 is x8 the form he fought Ssj3 in, then the golden ape should be ssj3x10 at bare minimum
@@Temonixs That's the first I've heard of it described that way; I could've sworn I've seen SSj4 as a 10X multiplier but I don't know how accurate that info is. 2500x feels like a total stretch though.
Already know that First Form Frieza is gonna straight up humiliate SSJ3 Raditz. EDIT: Oh, 600,000, I thought it was gonna be less than First Form Frieza. Guess I calculated wrong.
Final Form Frieza is even stronger than a Hypothetical SSJ4 Raditiz so of course Frieza slams. Raditiz would probably need to go SSJG or SSGSS to even stand a chance against Frieza.
That's going a little far. The multiplier for ssj god is not only not stated but when Goku used it he was capable of destroying the dragon ball universe 7 to 12 times over maybe even more according to the current calculation of death battle. It's incomparable to ssj4. The multiplier was perhaps stronger than goku's base power when he faced beerus.
@@promiatey7520SSb is said to be like going super Saiyan in SSG so it being stronger than ss3 means it 400x 50 bare minimum SSG is probably like 500 at a low ball 20,000 with SSB bare minimum which means that raditz probably slams
@@reddroid8499that is still MASSIVE depending on which canon you follow, ssj4 is between 4000x base and 40000x base under that pretext, with "Saiyan scholar" even stating that it could be Multiple Undecillion times stronger than base so 🤷♂️. So either Vegeta barely gets the dub, or he Stomps Frieza and leaves no room for blood to splatter. But even so, he died before he could use it, so it was a moot point regardless
@@reddroid8499 Thats completely false. Ssj3 goku went from getting absolutely stomped by baby to stomping baby with negative difficulty when he went golden oozaru. Golden oozaru by that logic is already way past a mere 500x multiplier And ssj4 goes far beyond golden oozaru Ssj4 goku was on par with golden oozaru baby, meaning the multiplier for ssj4 is far far beyond 4000x. If vegeta had somehow managed to go ssj4 without dying, he wouldve one shot frieza.
Nice I was right that the multipliers weren't strong enough to beat Frieza. Ironically if Vegeta had 18,000 power level & Frieza maxes out at 120,000,000 Even a ss3 gold great ape with a power level of 72 million wouldn't be able to beat Frieza, there isn't really a multiplier for ss4 but we can assume it just barely beats frieza
It’s crazy to think that maybe if they started all out, went super saiyan great ape and somehow figured out about ssj4 they STILL might not have been strong enough
@@jordanpatterson8536 Clearly Vegeta achieved it as shown in the video, super saiyan 4 is not part of their potential, more like another transformation free for anyone to unlock. Hell, the ssg ritual was still available to them as well if they somehow could do it
I’d say if they somehow became SSJ4’s, Vegeta might be able to pull it off. SSJ4 is at LEAST a 4000x multiplier, putting Vegeta at 72 million at bare minimum. And since Freiza takes a while to rev up to 100%, Vegeta may be able to triumph if he strikes while the iron is hot. And that’s with a bare minimum multiplier of 4000. The true multiplier of SSJ4 is likely far higher based on what we saw during the Baby fight in GT.
Looks like everyone was right with their power-level discussing, and it was pretty clear from the beginning narration how things were going to go for them by the end, but gotta admit, wasn't expecting a last minute appearance by SSJ4 Vegeta, even if it was only after he'd already been killed by that point. Reminds me of the What-If with Ginyu in Bardock's body when Goku almost managed to go SSJ before dying, or the hint of UI in Goku GT vs. Goku Super. Had Saiyan Saga-era Vegeta managed to fully transform before dying, would THAT have been enough to defeat Frieza finally, I wonder?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost trait, SSJ4 was permanently lost to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Reason being, Toronbo's terms of the wish granted: "Your battle power will stagnate and can never grow beyond what you currently are through training. The Zenkai Boost will be lost to you as well."
Copypasting my comment here: I think he could,yeah,if using the logic that Baby forms are mutated super saiyan forms: Ssj Baby > ssj3 Gt Goku Ssj3 Baby 8x ssj Baby Golden Oozaru Goku > ssj3 Baby Ssj4 Goku > Golden Oozaru Baby. Hell,even in the case ssj4 was not strong enough Vegeta could also try to stack the normal super sayian in it(like Super Goku did to the ssjGod and how Vegeta himself did here with the oozaru),which I'm sure would be strong enough to overwhelm Frieza. Their doom was both their pride and their limited knowledge.
Sadly he wouldn’t be, going by his power level being 18,000 at super saiyan 3 he would be at 7,200,000 while frieza at max is 120 million, while no multiplier for 4 exists it’s believed to be about 10. Even then vegeta would be 72 million compared to friezas 120. If vegeta was able to get one zenkai like in canon boosting his base to 30,000 he would be on par (like exactly 120) with frieza in ss4 and could win by frieza weakening over time but ye as is he and the others were cooked unless they all reached ss4/golden ozaru.
@@darknessbr3209 What is done in Super is not how SSJ through SSJ4 works. SSJ through SSJ4 are multipliers that are applied to the user's base power. All you have stated is pure speculation based upon information that has neither been officially established or accurate.
Love these What Else stories you are making. I was highly excited for this and honestly the outcome of the battle was expected. Hope you continue these alongside your amazing animations :)
The Golden Great Ape’s inclusion makes me curious. In GT, GGA Goku becomes a threat to Baby Vegeta who not only has transformed twice since the last time Goku went SS3, but is implied to be a SS3 himself. This makes me believe GGA isn’t 10x stronger than SS1, but rather 10x stronger than SS3, potentially because that was Goku’s strongest state of Super Saiyan at that point. However, Vegeta was already beaten up from fighting and he also had to use a big chunk of his energy to create that fake moon, so whether GGA made his full PL 9,000,000 or 72,000,000, there were too many factors against him to be a threat to true form Frieza.
I think baby vegito black vs ssj5 broly could be interesting. Perhaps blacks arrogance and baby’s desire to torment the saiyans for what they did to his people cause their resulting fusion to take their time with broly, allowing him to evolve into a super saiyan 5 and give BVB an actual challenge
Considering the fact that BVB quite literally pushed Beerus into UI (and even then BVB still had greater raw strength than Beerus according to the What If universe power scaling video), I very much doubt that even a hypothetical SSJ5 Broly would have beaten BVB, although if we're being realistic if Broly had gotten one more zenkai he would have transformed into SSJ4 Limitbreaker and not SSJ5 (Limitbreaker wasnt a concept yet when What if 9 was first uploaded). Still, would be interesting to see how that battle would turn out.
@rusty2812 yeah, just realized that unless what I just read was inaccurate, ssj5 is only 5 times stronger than ssj4. Even if that powerup allowed broly to match base BVB, kaioken x 20 would be more than enough to kill broly, lest you have him get a massive zenkai or grow at a ridiculous rate.
Danm... Completely dominated. The only chance they could have ever possibly had (aside from just jumping Frieza out the gate and vaporizing him) would be if they all somehow went SSJ4 and fired there absolute strongest techniques together in a team attack. Something alot of us don't factor is that powerful techniques have a sort of separate "attack multiplier" attached to them, like obviously a characters super or ultimate attacks hit massively harder than their fists do. Anyways the 3 of them in SSJ4 using their strongest techniques combined, assuming the individual "attack multipliers" were substantial enough, is the *ONLY way* i could see them winning and even then it would be extremely high-diff cuz if they missed or frieza hard countered it they wouldn't get a second chance... Goes to show just how fucked they were.
@Deltagamma1987 I'm going off of the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of SSJ3 X10 or Base X4000 Vegeta's base form had a power level of 18,000. 18,000 X 4000 = 72 Million. Frieza final form tops out at 120 Million, way higher than Vegeta. Now again I'm using the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier so if you wanted to use a theoretically higher multiplier then whatever but I feel that my point still stands. It's all pretty subjective at the end of the day.
@@tristanwelke7827 I take that multiplier for the Golden Ozaru because I find it logical for the form to multiply the strongest Super Saiyan form by ten times, just as the regular Ozaru multiplies the base form. This is because it is impossible for it to multiply Super Saiyan 1 by ten times based on how Baby Ozaru performs. So the SS4 being a huge power up to Golden Ozaru puts that Vegeta over 100% Frieza
@@Deltagamma1987 Fair enough, I had always viewed SSJ4 as sort just the Golden Oozaru being compacted into a more controllable form allowing more efficient use of the power for controlled strikes or guarding. Having SSJ4 further multiply off of the golden Oozaru does make some sense I hadn't thought about that. 🤔
Let's go, I want to see how the three stooges will beat Frieza. Hehehehehebhaahahahahahahahahaha and Useless there's no way the three stooges of Raditz Nappa and Vegeta with super Saiyan 3 and without natural training could defeat Frieza, and that Super Saiyan 4 Illusion with Vegeta's death the wish for the Dragon Balls was rendered useless, I am 100% satisfied.
This is truly a dark timeline. I love it! I was nerding out and checking the math before the story went on and was so excited to see that how things were turning out. It really goes to show you how important it was that Vegeta went to earth and lost to Goku and co 🤔
SSJ3 Raditz: 600,000 SSJ3 Nappa: 1,600,000 SSJ3 Vegeta: 7,200,000 SSJ4 Vegeta: 72,000,000 Full Power Frieza: 120,000,000 Overall, they were screwed from the start
It’s actually surprising that great ape Vegeta lost. Considering that Frieza’s 100% is 120M BP, but he isn’t used to fighting like that. While Vegeta is used to fighting as a great ape and he alone should be at 94M BP as a golden great ape. It would’ve made more sense for Frieza to be overpowered and forced to either use 100% ineffectively, or his guided saucer attack to cut his tail. Either way, Vegeta had a chance to even the playing field, but it still looked like Frieza had a field trip fighting him. Anyway, really excited to see what Hyourinjutsu is cooking for part 15.
Prediction: Frieza's gonna kill them all, or they'll go Oozaru, turn SSJ4, and destroy him (assuming the potential cap doesn't prevent them from transforming into the Oozaru form when they all could prior) Edit: It's both at once
I'd have expected it to go even worse, as I read the fact that "Your battle power will not improve through natural means, through *other* saiyan habilities or otherwise." Meaning that technically, great ape couldn't even have happened, they were that fucked.
This result was to be expected, their fate was sealed when they sacrificed their potential for the power of SSJ3. But now comes the question, without the start of the Saiyan saga...what will happen now with Goku and the other Z Fighters?
Interesting question, Without Raditz to cause the cataclysm of Gokus Heritage and Death which would've led to him knowing Techniques from King Kai, He won't get far after the Android Saga, Gokus only training partner relative to his power level was Piccolo, And without the Z Fighters Training for the Saiyan Threat, They'll be much much weaker, Cell will be there, probably with a much more Saiyan or Namekian Appearance without Frieza ever coming to earth, Lotsa changes without the Saiyan Arrivals
Sad part is if Vegeta did ANY testing of his abilities, he could've won, hear me out: Freeza's power lvl max is 130,000,000 (He was damaged before he went max against Goku in canon so I buffed him here) Vegeta power lvl (18,000) x SS (50) X SS2 (x2) x SS3 (x4) x Great Ape (x10) then condensing it into SS4 (which should be at least all that x2 since SS4 Goku at Full Power was a bit stronger than Great Ape Baby) = 144,000,000 (The fact he still loses to Battle Damaged SS Goku is insane< Goku Mid the Goat LOL) but this point is he could still beat Freeza if he played his cards right but yeah, this is most likely outcome...
@@nathanielus5296 I know but remember he ate that Spirit Bomb and almost died from it so he was most likely was weaker compared to this what if so I buffed him a bit
Yeah, I was imagining this is what would happen. SS3 doesn't just magically put them at Goku's Buu Saga strength, it's specifically a 400x multiplier, which isn't even close to enough. Raditz is actually stronger than I thought he would be.
You know I wouldn’t mind if you made what if’s that take place in non canon storylines like the Shin Budokai games or Dragon Ball Fusions. I always wanted to see you make a Scenerio where Ultra Pininch wins
This is why Toriyama did not want to do with mathematical statistics anymore, he realized that slapping multipliers just make number bigger but using ONLY multipliers makes things ridiculous. Ssj3 can still have a win/lose probability, but thats up to the story anyway
No it wouldn't at most he would be around 90 million not comparable to friezas 120 million, and no vegeta died because frieza killed him not that his life span was taken, torobo takes away their potential not lifespan
@@YourLovelyGuy9442 remember in What If 4, Vegeta at weakest was at like 2,000,000 in power level, and a SSJ power level of upwards of 100,000,000 he was still able to beat Frieza, because he crippled him before Frieza could use 100% effectively likely would have happened the same way here if Vegeta got SSJ4
I ain't gonna lie, i wasn't expecting them to win considering the power level gap between them and Frieza, they would've won if they didn't act cocky and just blasted the guy in his first form
Ok i won't lie. I wasn't expecting Vegeta's desperate Power Ball option. This reminds me of one of your earlier What Ifs where Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan on Namek to defeat Frieza. If they had all 3 jumped Frieza at the start, they would have succeeded. However, it wasn't just pride and ego that killed the Saiyan Trio. It was what they traded away. They traded away their potential for growth for a shortcut. Though i am curious. If Vegeta had managed to unlock Super Saiyan 4, would he have stood a chance? Or would he have ultimately died?
It goes to show how Important Zenkai really is. Super Saiyan is basically a Multiplier Transformation, but in the end it all comes down to its Base. If the Base isn't strong then the Transformation won't be as strong no matter how many times its Multiplied
The ending was expected (not that the Idea was bad), ssj3 is a form thet give the user incredible boost of power but that boost means nothing if your base power is way way lower then your opponent
I knew it was gonna happen. They're locked in that form, no more power boosts from zenkais or training. Newly awaken Super Saiyan Goku namek saga can beat these three if this were to followed the story closely
Yup, I figured it would end as much. Sacrificing their Zenkai boost ability just to gain SSJ3 was never going to work out. The better idea would've been to just wish for the knowledge on how to gain the forms and actually put their pride aside to train.
@@RandomCarGuy17 It might work, but even then, Frieza might have suspected that they were planning something while they were missing for quite some time.
The fact that he unlocked ssj4 when he died makes me wonder if he survived long enough or had a way of healing if he'd beat frieza or even just come close to jt
Before watching this, I just wanna state that Heroes has done this bwfore and sadly the Strain of SS3 caused Nappa to Die with his Old Age, so yeah, going 3 was not very Wise and then there is the Drawbacks of 3, where the Tail does help, but it helps very little if the User isn't used to 3 to a degree and has been having the Form for some Time, the Tail only aids SS3 so little, yet so much
With the theoretical multiplier, the 4000 time boost of ssj4 wouldn't have even been enough. 72000000 is less than the 120000000 Frieza's full power grants him 😢
Obviously they would lose....... Just doing the math, being lenient, vegeta vs goku was 18000 power level. SSJ3 is 400x, so he'd be at 7.2 million as an SSJ3. Golden Great Ape and SSJ4 multpliers are strange, some say golden great ape is 10x SSJ3, so then Vegeta would be 72 million. SSJ4 depending on what the power increase is over Golden Great Ape could have beaten Frieza, would need to be at least double Golden Great Ape multiplier.
Would've loved to see a time travel what if of our Vegeta seeing his dumbass Saiyan Saga self get killed by Frieza, not sure how this would work (and also main timeline Vegeta discovering that they can become SSJ4)
5:18 It was at this moment Vegeta knew, he fucked up. I imagine if they had merely asked for the knowledge of how to transform into a Super Saiyan, it wouldn't have had the Monkey's Paw effect that ultimately led to the monkeys dying. It may have even encouraged a friendlier initial meeting of the brothers, Raditz seeking Kakarot as a training partner to achieve Super Saiyan.
Namek frieza pl: base: 530,000 2nd transformation: 1 million full power: 1.2 million 3rd transformation: 1.5 million Final form: fraction of his power: 2 million half: 60 million full power: 120 million Ssj3 raditz: 1500 x 400 Ssj3 nappa: 4000 x 400 Ssj3 vegeta: saiyan saga lvl: 18000 when vegeta killed cui/early namek saga: 24000 x 400
I think the 24000 is from the early Namek saga sadly, either way they stood no chance unless they would have killed Frieza earlier, which probably wouldn't have happened. :(
Man can you make what if again, i like what if, and can someone tell me what the name form baby vegito black Why they super Saiyan god hair color is white? Sorry for bad English
He is still making what ifs, he is just doing these to upload in between them since they don't get in the way too much As for Baby Vegetto Black, he is still in Super Saiyan Rosé, but it is white since all of Baby's forms have white hair
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Hello! Make sure to watch [What Else 13] before this one: ruclips.net/video/a1-fkE6YdvQ/видео.html. It's crucial to watch the previous one to understand the premise of this video, as it's a direct continuation! Also, tell me what you think about the story! Do you think things should have gone differently? Please comment your thoughts below!
I kinda would like to see a full animation where vegeta tests out golden oozaru sooner and they all get ss4 before meeting frieza.
Also do one of dbs broly gaining control and going ss4 against gogeta.
Ok
Totally agree with the outcome. It would be interesting to see what happens in the rest of this universe.... Goku never fights Raditiz or Vegeta.... Does he still even go to Namek? Does Dr. Gero make the androids as strong as we know them to be? What cells are used to make Cell? I personally think Dr. Gero would take over earth (and eventually beat Frieza).
Why didn't they wish for immortality. And if they did what would've happened
Unlocking SSJ4 after dying is incredible insult to injury
Wouldn't at all be surprised if him unlocking ssj4 ultimately saved his life... Because let's be real ssj4 takes a beating and keeps kicking. (And it even reverted kid Goku curse...) But def a well deserved comeuppance
@@Jamstaro1 honestly hope theirs another part to this or another what if for this what if like if goku could stall for enough time for a spirit bomb whos to say they couldnt do that for a idk hypothetical interest of frieza wanting to see vegeta full power [SSJ4] like idk vegeta was doing research and seeing if theirs something beyond even SS3 and he feels like he can do something but he just doesnt know what besides a gut feeling it has to do something with great ape.
He definitely did the thumb pose during all this which led to this tragedy.
Hyourinjutsu made a mistake as ssj4 was shown to have a healing factor ssj4 should have been able to beat frieza
@@JadoBouhzam Probably, since a theoretical SS3 Great Ape Vegeta would have a power lvl of 72M so whatever power multiplier SS4 would give would likely surpass 100% Frieza.
Though unless Vegeta triggers SS4 immediately against Frieza he's getting bodied like he did in the video.
nah their main mistake was not blitzing freiza, if they did that they wouldve won handily. But villians in DBZ LOVE to gloat so that was never gonna happen
Their Pride was their downfall.
Honestly, props to Vegeta even realizing they needed to before Frieza finished. It was too little too late, but as cocky as they had gotten, it was inevitable things would go out of control, knowing what we know.
Frieza is too durable. Remember he survived namek blowing up with half a body and an angry Kamehameha. Same with broly 90 mins and God toppo owning him in super.
@@MrVariantFrieza got sliced into two by his own death saucers, cut in half by Trunks instantly, and had his tail cut by Krillin. In addition he was one shot and knocked out his form by Jiren
@@NeonSwordsManFangattack well trunks killed him instantly like Fusion Reborn Teen Gohan (cell saga should be tween gohan lol), which Z and GT were big on villain decay. Otherwise he hit hard and kept transforming like dragon quest 4 Psaro.
I actually expected as much. Gokus training and that sayian trait combined really puts him in a different league
@@FFX2KH2Master yea
- Dragon mentions that before granting the wish, all 3 Saiyans will lose all their future potential and cap at whatever multiplier SS3 grants
- Saiyans ignore this
- Saiyans immediately go and pull up on Frieza
...Oh. that's gore. That's gore of the Saiyans
oh thats gore of my comfort character... *picture of raditz getting obliterated*
They could have still trained while using the super Saiyan form
But they were too prideful for that
Because they thought they were invincible
Love the twist of him turning Super Saiyan 4 after death. I absolutely love how you mix every aspect of the Dragon Ball canon into your What If scenarios. It's so cool to see what could have been had characters discovered these things that (when their arcs were written) didn't exist
We would be in good hands if they hired this guy officially
I love it when fan material still respects the overall message of the original work.
Happy Freeza Day to all who celebrate!
"Goddammit, brother, everything has to be about you" -Cooler
Meanwhile on earth:
Goku:"Man i love just chilling here with wife my son and all my frie- OH GOD MY HEART-"
Not to mention that the cyborgs and androids still exist. Cell too, even though he would be much weaker
@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 Best chance they have is If Gohan could still fight the weaker androids, atleast until Bulma could finish the time machine and go back
@@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 The Androids would also be weaker since they weren't made using Saiyan Saga Data in this timeline. They'd still be strong but vastly weaker than the Main Timeline. Cell might not even need to have been created if Goku shows his small growth from the Ending of OG DB and the Beginning of Z.
It's possible Goku could train more. Basing off Salad Saiyan's What if Bardock went Super Saiyan Against Frieza, Goku would train under Kami and Kami would ask King Kai to train him.
@@Kenny-hd4ef goku never visits planet yardrat ( its where he got the heart virus) so goku is fine and never dies here.
The fact he turned SS4 as he died… Such a gut punch he wouldn’t even get to know.
He’ll be pissed as hell in otherworld.
Still wouldn't have been enough.
@@JulianLopez-rt6kp that’s debatable as people have it as little as 4000x to as high as the millions
@@abeyohando4976 its just 10x ssj3
@@HolyLightofAngelshould be more than 50% frieza but well he died
“On a scale from 1-10 my friend, you’re fucked.”
- Frieza
"Vegeta, I don't know how else to say this....*we're fucked*."
Man these videos are literally the perfect fillers to pass the time, such a good concept!
Yea
That's kind of a sad end for the Saiyans. Maybe Goku can yet still prosper on an Earth untouched by Frieza's forces, but with the Android threat over the horizon, I would not bet on it.
Yup
The androids would be substantially weaker without the saiyan and frieza saga having happened, as gero somehow had frieza dna he at the very least got the dna from when frieza was killed on Earth. The Z fighters might have a chance with them being so weak even if goku died from heart disease
Even if they still die, Future Trunks (Son of Yamcha and Bulma) or Future Gohan could go back in time and help the Z Fighters survive against the Androids.
No future trunks since vegeta never went to earth too so goku never gets the heart virus 😢
Well, Future Trunks would still exist, but in this case he would be the son of Yamcha and Bulma. Although who knows, maybe he won't exist if Bulma breaks up with Yamcha for whatever reason.
Also, another reason for the idea of time travel is to change the past, but we all know about the multiverse theory.
We all knew it was going to happen. Vegeta’s power, even in Golden Great Ape, wouldn’t have been able to match Final Form Frieza. Yet, even then, this was a blast to watch. It’s dramatic and tense, the lingering sense of dread over the inevitable ending is palpable. You never disappoint, ‘Jutsu, and I’m eager to see What Else #15 and all it has to show.
18,000×50×10 = 9,000,000 = ssj ozozaru vegeta
18,000x50x10 (x2?) = 18,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if akive
18,000×50×10 (x 10?) = 90,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if alive
18,000×50×10 (x 100?) 900,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if alive at max
@@SuperKamiGuruu Golden Great Ape is at least more than 8x SS3 based on the Goku and Baby scaling in GT
GGA Goku > SF2 Baby (SS3) 4x> SF1 Baby (SS2) 2x> SS1 Baby > SS3 Goku
So GGA Vegeta >>>>>57,600,000
SS4 is at the very least 8x GGA because of SS4 Goku being comparable to GGA Baby
Though with the whole trend of Great Ape being a 10x boost and SS4 Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. I’d say GGA is likely 10x SS3 while SS4 is 10x GGA. So the power levels for Vegeta if he had unlocked SS4 probably would’ve been
Base Vegeta = 18,000
SS1 Vegeta = 900,000
SS2 Vegeta = 1,800,000
SS3 Vegeta = 7,200,000
GGA Vegeta = 72,000,000
SS4 Vegeta = 720,000,000
@@peterhuang5968 yep
Lesson learned. Train for your power.
Eh what?
Pretty sure thats what they did lol
@XRaiden1 Nah, they wished for it, and got the drawback of basically saying they'd never get stronger past that no matter the training.
The real takeaway here is if you're gonna wish for power, don't get it from the dragon that's gonna monkey paw your wish.
@XRaiden1 No, they didn't. They wished for their fullest potential to be unleashed via the dragon Toronto, at the cost of them being unable to grow in power ever again.
So, not only did they take a shortcut in having SSJ through SSJ3 without training their own powers, but even if they did train, they no longer have the ability to grow in strength, or exploit the Zenkai to become more powerful, since this IS them at their absolute strongest.
@@ShadowKnux372yeah
and no one thought of pulling a zenkai hack
What about sonic?
Honestly, the fact that they collectively went SSJ3, and weren't even at 𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐟 of Frezia's power, goes to show just how much of a monster he was.
Cool hypothetical ssj4 vegeta when he died. Honestly the saiyans probably should trained a bit before making the whole wish for power. That way their potential would be alot higher when the wish was made
Yup
To be honest they had no idea about that he could transform even once let alone get so much more powerful, it'd be like if Cui went super alien 42 or smth on namek against vegeta for us, they didn't even suspect possibility of him being that much stronger
Imagine it like this, you use a cheat code in some rpg game and reach lvl 999 then go fight a guy who was in your eyes at best lvl 100, then he suddenly changes into levels above million that you didn't even consider was possible
Training wouldn't amount to anything, Torombo said they wouldn't grow from it anymore, the power they had were the maximum.
The other problem is that they lost the senkais boosts because of the wish
Learn to read kid he said they should've trained before@@rafaelferreira7408
Well, i sure hope someone doesnt pick up that phone...
Because I F****** CALLED IT!
Good ol' TFS Cooler
Amazing work as always! I thought Raditz might find the Super Saiyan 4 form since Bardock’s wish for him to thrive was mentioned. Wouldn’t it be fitting if Raditz took over Frieza’s empire?
“3 coughing babies vs 1 hydrogen nuke” ass battle
Damn that's dark... so they didn't know about the possibility of SSJ4 and I dont think anyone in the last video anticipated this either. I'm confused as to how Frieza killed Golden Ape Vegeta. What's the multiplier on that? And was he a SSJ Ape or a SSJ3 Ape? Can SSJ4 Vegeta even overcome Final Form Frieza, let alone 100% Frieza?
Great Ape is a X 10 multiplier, with SSj1 that makes it X500 for Golden. 25% stronger than SSj3 but still nowhere close to being a threat to Frieza at that point in the story.
@@Stellerman7 funny thing is, ssj4 is usually seen as a 2500x multiplier, and even with that freezer 50% would have been too much, without the zenkai boost they legit stood no chance
He killed Golden Ape Vegeta because he was probably around 9 million at best, that's not even 10% of true form Frieza's power, the multiplier should be 900,000(SSJ Vegeta) * 1, stronger than his SSJ3 form but as you see not even close to be a real threat to Frieza, now if he had the time to change into a SSJ4 while alive his power would skyrocket to 72 millions and then Vegeta would have the chance to kill Frieza right away.
@@Stellerman7if you analyse Goku vs baby, you’ll realise that x500 is nowhere near enough for that fight to make sense. Super Baby 2 was scared of the ape when he previously manhandled Ssj3 in a weaker form. If Super Baby 2 is x8 the form he fought Ssj3 in, then the golden ape should be ssj3x10 at bare minimum
@@Temonixs That's the first I've heard of it described that way; I could've sworn I've seen SSj4 as a 10X multiplier but I don't know how accurate that info is. 2500x feels like a total stretch though.
Already know that First Form Frieza is gonna straight up humiliate SSJ3 Raditz.
EDIT: Oh, 600,000, I thought it was gonna be less than First Form Frieza. Guess I calculated wrong.
Final Form Frieza is even stronger than a Hypothetical SSJ4 Raditiz so of course Frieza slams. Raditiz would probably need to go SSJG or SSGSS to even stand a chance against Frieza.
That's going a little far. The multiplier for ssj god is not only not stated but when Goku used it he was capable of destroying the dragon ball universe 7 to 12 times over maybe even more according to the current calculation of death battle. It's incomparable to ssj4. The multiplier was perhaps stronger than goku's base power when he faced beerus.
@supergogeta4573 where are you getting 12 times over? Lol
@@thegaminganimationstudio7976there's no official multiplier for neither of these forms, how do you even compare this to final form Frieza?
@@promiatey7520SSb is said to be like going super Saiyan in SSG so it being stronger than ss3 means it 400x 50 bare minimum
SSG is probably like 500 at a low ball
20,000 with SSB bare minimum which means that raditz probably slams
I knew they were gonna lose, we all did. But just when I thought Vegeta was gonna discover Super Saiyan 4....it was over.
But even then would it even have done any good?
@@reddroid8499yes because ssj4 is far stronger than golden oozaru
@hippydragonnslayerxdlmaohi3921 supposedly the multiplayer is only 10x ssj3
@@reddroid8499that is still MASSIVE depending on which canon you follow, ssj4 is between 4000x base and 40000x base under that pretext, with "Saiyan scholar" even stating that it could be Multiple Undecillion times stronger than base so 🤷♂️.
So either Vegeta barely gets the dub, or he Stomps Frieza and leaves no room for blood to splatter.
But even so, he died before he could use it, so it was a moot point regardless
@@reddroid8499 Thats completely false. Ssj3 goku went from getting absolutely stomped by baby to stomping baby with negative difficulty when he went golden oozaru.
Golden oozaru by that logic is already way past a mere 500x multiplier
And ssj4 goes far beyond golden oozaru
Ssj4 goku was on par with golden oozaru baby, meaning the multiplier for ssj4 is far far beyond 4000x.
If vegeta had somehow managed to go ssj4 without dying, he wouldve one shot frieza.
Nice I was right that the multipliers weren't strong enough to beat Frieza.
Ironically if Vegeta had 18,000 power level & Frieza maxes out at 120,000,000
Even a ss3 gold great ape with a power level of 72 million wouldn't be able to beat Frieza, there isn't really a multiplier for ss4 but we can assume it just barely beats frieza
Radits "Boys we're so cooked"
I believe the saying is deep fried.
That ending hurt, but it was good all the same.
Dang. I was expecting a cliffhanger where Vegeta at the last moment turns into a SSJ4 to fight Frieza. But the short was good anyways
Yessir!! Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it! Stay safe!
It’s crazy to think that maybe if they started all out, went super saiyan great ape and somehow figured out about ssj4 they STILL might not have been strong enough
They couldn't just achieve Super Saiyan 4, Toronbo halted their potential.
@@jordanpatterson8536 Clearly Vegeta achieved it as shown in the video, super saiyan 4 is not part of their potential, more like another transformation free for anyone to unlock. Hell, the ssg ritual was still available to them as well if they somehow could do it
It wouldn’t be enough Vegeta would be at most 72 million
@ bro vegeta died in ssj4 in the what else. There’s bound to have been some way
I’d say if they somehow became SSJ4’s, Vegeta might be able to pull it off. SSJ4 is at LEAST a 4000x multiplier, putting Vegeta at 72 million at bare minimum. And since Freiza takes a while to rev up to 100%, Vegeta may be able to triumph if he strikes while the iron is hot. And that’s with a bare minimum multiplier of 4000. The true multiplier of SSJ4 is likely far higher based on what we saw during the Baby fight in GT.
Looks like everyone was right with their power-level discussing, and it was pretty clear from the beginning narration how things were going to go for them by the end, but gotta admit, wasn't expecting a last minute appearance by SSJ4 Vegeta, even if it was only after he'd already been killed by that point. Reminds me of the What-If with Ginyu in Bardock's body when Goku almost managed to go SSJ before dying, or the hint of UI in Goku GT vs. Goku Super.
Had Saiyan Saga-era Vegeta managed to fully transform before dying, would THAT have been enough to defeat Frieza finally, I wonder?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost trait, SSJ4 was permanently lost to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Reason being, Toronbo's terms of the wish granted: "Your battle power will stagnate and can never grow beyond what you currently are through training. The Zenkai Boost will be lost to you as well."
Ssj4 wouldn’t have beat frieza either as it would have a battle power of 90million
Copypasting my comment here:
I think he could,yeah,if using the logic that Baby forms are mutated super saiyan forms:
Ssj Baby > ssj3 Gt Goku
Ssj3 Baby 8x ssj Baby
Golden Oozaru Goku > ssj3 Baby
Ssj4 Goku > Golden Oozaru Baby.
Hell,even in the case ssj4 was not strong enough Vegeta could also try to stack the normal super sayian in it(like Super Goku did to the ssjGod and how Vegeta himself did here with the oozaru),which I'm sure would be strong enough to overwhelm Frieza.
Their doom was both their pride and their limited knowledge.
Sadly he wouldn’t be, going by his power level being 18,000 at super saiyan 3 he would be at 7,200,000 while frieza at max is 120 million, while no multiplier for 4 exists it’s believed to be about 10. Even then vegeta would be 72 million compared to friezas 120. If vegeta was able to get one zenkai like in canon boosting his base to 30,000 he would be on par (like exactly 120) with frieza in ss4 and could win by frieza weakening over time but ye as is he and the others were cooked unless they all reached ss4/golden ozaru.
@@darknessbr3209
What is done in Super is not how SSJ through SSJ4 works. SSJ through SSJ4 are multipliers that are applied to the user's base power.
All you have stated is pure speculation based upon information that has neither been officially established or accurate.
Love these What Else stories you are making. I was highly excited for this and honestly the outcome of the battle was expected. Hope you continue these alongside your amazing animations :)
The Golden Great Ape’s inclusion makes me curious. In GT, GGA Goku becomes a threat to Baby Vegeta who not only has transformed twice since the last time Goku went SS3, but is implied to be a SS3 himself. This makes me believe GGA isn’t 10x stronger than SS1, but rather 10x stronger than SS3, potentially because that was Goku’s strongest state of Super Saiyan at that point.
However, Vegeta was already beaten up from fighting and he also had to use a big chunk of his energy to create that fake moon, so whether GGA made his full PL 9,000,000 or 72,000,000, there were too many factors against him to be a threat to true form Frieza.
I imagined Frieza being voiced by the old funimation dub actress its a nice fitting
Saw this coming... Had they just quit messing around and done a surprise attack in one go. Then they'd have a chance.
What Else idea: What if Raditz never came to Earth and Piccolo is free to enact his revenge
I’m not surprised they lost.
The moment toronbo gave them ssj3, it was the moment they were set up entirely.
Yup @@Mike16192
Yes, power levels are bullshit
@kubawoowio9989 Power levels are the reason they lost lmao
Gay ass spoiler
I think baby vegito black vs ssj5 broly could be interesting. Perhaps blacks arrogance and baby’s desire to torment the saiyans for what they did to his people cause their resulting fusion to take their time with broly, allowing him to evolve into a super saiyan 5 and give BVB an actual challenge
Totally agree with you
Considering the fact that BVB quite literally pushed Beerus into UI (and even then BVB still had greater raw strength than Beerus according to the What If universe power scaling video), I very much doubt that even a hypothetical SSJ5 Broly would have beaten BVB, although if we're being realistic if Broly had gotten one more zenkai he would have transformed into SSJ4 Limitbreaker and not SSJ5 (Limitbreaker wasnt a concept yet when What if 9 was first uploaded).
Still, would be interesting to see how that battle would turn out.
@rusty2812 yeah, just realized that unless what I just read was inaccurate, ssj5 is only 5 times stronger than ssj4. Even if that powerup allowed broly to match base BVB, kaioken x 20 would be more than enough to kill broly, lest you have him get a massive zenkai or grow at a ridiculous rate.
@@Lord_Taylor-b2w Dude, SSJ5 is a fan-made form, how did you pulled that multipler 😭
@@nathanielus5296af probably has like a statement saying the ss5 form multiplier which is the one people usually talk about
Getting the Super Saiyan 4 right after Vegeta died was so tragically comical.
Reading it in Linda Young voice makes it even better 🐉
I love this dude always give Frieza the spotlight in the right time, DBS made Frieza an joke but that man brought back the emperor
Danm... Completely dominated.
The only chance they could have ever possibly had (aside from just jumping Frieza out the gate and vaporizing him) would be if they all somehow went SSJ4 and fired there absolute strongest techniques together in a team attack.
Something alot of us don't factor is that powerful techniques have a sort of separate "attack multiplier" attached to them, like obviously a characters super or ultimate attacks hit massively harder than their fists do.
Anyways the 3 of them in SSJ4 using their strongest techniques combined, assuming the individual "attack multipliers" were substantial enough, is the *ONLY way* i could see them winning and even then it would be extremely high-diff cuz if they missed or frieza hard countered it they wouldn't get a second chance... Goes to show just how fucked they were.
Nah, Vegeta in SS4 simply slaps Frieza and thats it
@Deltagamma1987
I'm going off of the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of SSJ3 X10 or Base X4000
Vegeta's base form had a power level of 18,000.
18,000 X 4000 = 72 Million.
Frieza final form tops out at 120 Million, way higher than Vegeta.
Now again I'm using the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier so if you wanted to use a theoretically higher multiplier then whatever but I feel that my point still stands. It's all pretty subjective at the end of the day.
@@tristanwelke7827 I take that multiplier for the Golden Ozaru because I find it logical for the form to multiply the strongest Super Saiyan form by ten times, just as the regular Ozaru multiplies the base form. This is because it is impossible for it to multiply Super Saiyan 1 by ten times based on how Baby Ozaru performs.
So the SS4 being a huge power up to Golden Ozaru puts that Vegeta over 100% Frieza
@@Deltagamma1987
Fair enough, I had always viewed SSJ4 as sort just the Golden Oozaru being compacted into a more controllable form allowing more efficient use of the power for controlled strikes or guarding.
Having SSJ4 further multiply off of the golden Oozaru does make some sense I hadn't thought about that. 🤔
Yeah, they never stood a chance, I was right
Very nice and overall well executed. I’d honestly love to see this animated into an actual fight.
The Grim Reality...
SSJ4 Vegeta looks to be somewhat in the Yamcha pose there too. Ouch.
Let's go, I want to see how the three stooges will beat Frieza.
Hehehehehebhaahahahahahahahahaha and Useless there's no way the three stooges of Raditz Nappa and Vegeta with super Saiyan 3 and without natural training could defeat Frieza, and that Super Saiyan 4 Illusion with Vegeta's death the wish for the Dragon Balls was rendered useless, I am 100% satisfied.
This is truly a dark timeline. I love it! I was nerding out and checking the math before the story went on and was so excited to see that how things were turning out. It really goes to show you how important it was that Vegeta went to earth and lost to Goku and co 🤔
SSJ3 Raditz: 600,000
SSJ3 Nappa: 1,600,000
SSJ3 Vegeta: 7,200,000
SSJ4 Vegeta: 72,000,000
Full Power Frieza: 120,000,000
Overall, they were screwed from the start
It’s actually surprising that great ape Vegeta lost. Considering that Frieza’s 100% is 120M BP, but he isn’t used to fighting like that. While Vegeta is used to fighting as a great ape and he alone should be at 94M BP as a golden great ape.
It would’ve made more sense for Frieza to be overpowered and forced to either use 100% ineffectively, or his guided saucer attack to cut his tail.
Either way, Vegeta had a chance to even the playing field, but it still looked like Frieza had a field trip fighting him.
Anyway, really excited to see what Hyourinjutsu is cooking for part 15.
Prediction: Frieza's gonna kill them all, or they'll go Oozaru, turn SSJ4, and destroy him (assuming the potential cap doesn't prevent them from transforming into the Oozaru form when they all could prior)
Edit: It's both at once
I'd have expected it to go even worse, as I read the fact that "Your battle power will not improve through natural means, through *other* saiyan habilities or otherwise."
Meaning that technically, great ape couldn't even have happened, they were that fucked.
I like the concept
Exactly as I expected. Still a great video!
I kinda like this What-Else episode because nearly everybody who watched the previous episode saw this outcome happening.
Okay it’s official. POWER BOOSTS ARE BULLSHIT FOR VEGETA DAMMIT.
This result was to be expected, their fate was sealed when they sacrificed their potential for the power of SSJ3.
But now comes the question, without the start of the Saiyan saga...what will happen now with Goku and the other Z Fighters?
Goku and Piccolo probably have their rematch.
Interesting question, Without Raditz to cause the cataclysm of Gokus Heritage and Death which would've led to him knowing Techniques from King Kai, He won't get far after the Android Saga, Gokus only training partner relative to his power level was Piccolo, And without the Z Fighters Training for the Saiyan Threat, They'll be much much weaker, Cell will be there, probably with a much more Saiyan or Namekian Appearance without Frieza ever coming to earth, Lotsa changes without the Saiyan Arrivals
Sad part is if Vegeta did ANY testing of his abilities, he could've won, hear me out:
Freeza's power lvl max is 130,000,000 (He was damaged before he went max against Goku in canon so I buffed him here)
Vegeta power lvl (18,000) x SS (50) X SS2 (x2) x SS3 (x4) x Great Ape (x10) then condensing it into SS4 (which should be at least all that x2 since SS4 Goku at Full Power was a bit stronger than Great Ape Baby) = 144,000,000
(The fact he still loses to Battle Damaged SS Goku is insane< Goku Mid the Goat LOL) but this point is he could still beat Freeza if he played his cards right but yeah, this is most likely outcome...
Frieza's max is not 130 million, his 50% was stated to be 60 million
@@nathanielus5296 I know but remember he ate that Spirit Bomb and almost died from it so he was most likely was weaker compared to this what if so I buffed him a bit
Great job on this _Hyourinjutsu_ :D
Frieza is just something else
The 3 saiyans did the best they could, but they were doomed to lose against Frieza.
Damn, Vegeta dies without knowing a Super Saiyan 4. Good effort though.
My man back at it with exquisite writing at its finest degree god, i love ur what ifs keep up the phenomenal work man. 🎉
Yeah, I was imagining this is what would happen. SS3 doesn't just magically put them at Goku's Buu Saga strength, it's specifically a 400x multiplier, which isn't even close to enough. Raditz is actually stronger than I thought he would be.
Still Goated videos, thks for that content
Interesting that this also would lead to 'what if the Saiyans never visited Earth'
You know I wouldn’t mind if you made what if’s that take place in non canon storylines like the Shin Budokai games or Dragon Ball Fusions. I always wanted to see you make a Scenerio where Ultra Pininch wins
Merry Christmas Hyourinjutsu
What a day! First MikeO and now you!
Awesome dude I like how you showed each character and how the dight would play out
Especially Since they were fighting in stagnant states
An amazing story. I am completely satisfied
Please keep doing these.
The music was very fitting
This is why Toriyama did not want to do with mathematical statistics anymore, he realized that slapping multipliers just make number bigger but using ONLY multipliers makes things ridiculous.
Ssj3 can still have a win/lose probability, but thats up to the story anyway
The power creep in the Freeza saga is so insane that even (assuming a 10x multiplier) a SSJ4 Raditz wouldn't touch 50% Frieza still
About right. Maybe Super Saiyan 4 could've turned it around, but as we saw with Gas it'd eat at Vegeta's life in mere moments.
No it wouldn't at most he would be around 90 million not comparable to friezas 120 million, and no vegeta died because frieza killed him not that his life span was taken, torobo takes away their potential not lifespan
@@YourLovelyGuy9442 remember in What If 4, Vegeta at weakest was at like 2,000,000 in power level, and a SSJ power level of upwards of 100,000,000
he was still able to beat Frieza, because he crippled him before Frieza could use 100% effectively
likely would have happened the same way here if Vegeta got SSJ4
I ain't gonna lie, i wasn't expecting them to win considering the power level gap between them and Frieza, they would've won if they didn't act cocky and just blasted the guy in his first form
It's kinda sad, but i do like the idea how SSJ3 multiple theyr strenght 500x tiems :D
Guess my statement is right from previous video
They fumbled and paid the price
Amazing😊😊😊
Ok i won't lie. I wasn't expecting Vegeta's desperate Power Ball option.
This reminds me of one of your earlier What Ifs where Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan on Namek to defeat Frieza. If they had all 3 jumped Frieza at the start, they would have succeeded. However, it wasn't just pride and ego that killed the Saiyan Trio. It was what they traded away. They traded away their potential for growth for a shortcut.
Though i am curious. If Vegeta had managed to unlock Super Saiyan 4, would he have stood a chance? Or would he have ultimately died?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost, SSJ4 is impossible. Even if it was possible, it wouldn't have mattered.
Super Saiyan 4 would win
Ssj4 have 4000x power multiplier. So it is 18000 x 4000 = 72mil. Still weaker than Frieza full power
@@nathanielus5296
It would not in this case.
@@rogonbrazus6491
There is no canonically established multiplier for SSJ4.
It goes to show how Important Zenkai really is. Super Saiyan is basically a Multiplier Transformation, but in the end it all comes down to its Base. If the Base isn't strong then the Transformation won't be as strong no matter how many times its Multiplied
Ah as soon as saw there was a sequel to this I was thinking "Ah, they're cooked."
Small nitpick, but their combined Power Levels should be around 11,000,000 given Nappa at his peak was basically dead even with Base Goku.
So We Can expect That Big One Tomorrow right
The ending was expected (not that the Idea was bad), ssj3 is a form thet give the user incredible boost of power but that boost means nothing if your base power is way way lower then your opponent
I knew it was gonna happen. They're locked in that form, no more power boosts from zenkais or training. Newly awaken Super Saiyan Goku namek saga can beat these three if this were to followed the story closely
Another dope entry🔥 . Happy holidays, everybody stay safe 🙏
Yup, I figured it would end as much. Sacrificing their Zenkai boost ability just to gain SSJ3 was never going to work out. The better idea would've been to just wish for the knowledge on how to gain the forms and actually put their pride aside to train.
@@RandomCarGuy17 It might work, but even then, Frieza might have suspected that they were planning something while they were missing for quite some time.
Peak incoming
Merry Christmas from Australia
I wonder if this SS4 Vegeta would be equal to the SS1 Goku in Namek
Correct.
Nah, He'd be a bit weaker at 144mil if you believe SS4 is 20× SS3
SS4: 720 million
The fact that he unlocked ssj4 when he died makes me wonder if he survived long enough or had a way of healing if he'd beat frieza or even just come close to jt
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Before watching this, I just wanna state that Heroes has done this bwfore and sadly the Strain of SS3 caused Nappa to Die with his Old Age, so yeah, going 3 was not very Wise and then there is the Drawbacks of 3, where the Tail does help, but it helps very little if the User isn't used to 3 to a degree and has been having the Form for some Time, the Tail only aids SS3 so little, yet so much
With the theoretical multiplier, the 4000 time boost of ssj4 wouldn't have even been enough. 72000000 is less than the 120000000 Frieza's full power grants him 😢
Theorhetically, he would have received a Zenkai from going to great ape to SSJ4 much like Broly did in the other What-If
4000 is significantly less than the SSJ4 multiplier. People have scaled it to the millions. If he got SSJ4 he would smoked Frieza.
@@jeromemckoy6588he can't get zenkais anymore due to the wish
@@HansWalter-z6c Yeah, he didn’t get it therefore he stayed down.
Super Saiyan 4 is much more than just 4000 x Base
Obviously they would lose....... Just doing the math, being lenient, vegeta vs goku was 18000 power level. SSJ3 is 400x, so he'd be at 7.2 million as an SSJ3. Golden Great Ape and SSJ4 multpliers are strange, some say golden great ape is 10x SSJ3, so then Vegeta would be 72 million. SSJ4 depending on what the power increase is over Golden Great Ape could have beaten Frieza, would need to be at least double Golden Great Ape multiplier.
Would've loved to see a time travel what if of our Vegeta seeing his dumbass Saiyan Saga self get killed by Frieza, not sure how this would work (and also main timeline Vegeta discovering that they can become SSJ4)
5:18 It was at this moment Vegeta knew, he fucked up. I imagine if they had merely asked for the knowledge of how to transform into a Super Saiyan, it wouldn't have had the Monkey's Paw effect that ultimately led to the monkeys dying. It may have even encouraged a friendlier initial meeting of the brothers, Raditz seeking Kakarot as a training partner to achieve Super Saiyan.
welp. Goodluck Goku&Piccolo with like 600 power lvl against Frieza in the future!
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I told you. Frieza Only got some good excercise from it
Namek frieza pl: base: 530,000
2nd transformation: 1 million full power: 1.2 million
3rd transformation: 1.5 million
Final form: fraction of his power: 2 million half: 60 million full power: 120 million
Ssj3 raditz: 1500 x 400
Ssj3 nappa: 4000 x 400
Ssj3 vegeta: saiyan saga lvl: 18000 when vegeta killed cui/early namek saga: 24000 x 400
From what I recall, Freeza's 3rd form is supposed to be double that of his 2nd so, 2 million. His 4th/Final form is 4 million at the start.
The boys never stood a chance.
I think the 24000 is from the early Namek saga sadly, either way they stood no chance unless they would have killed Frieza earlier, which probably wouldn't have happened. :(
Man can you make what if again, i like what if, and can someone tell me what the name form baby vegito black
Why they super Saiyan god hair color is white?
Sorry for bad English
He is still making what ifs, he is just doing these to upload in between them since they don't get in the way too much
As for Baby Vegetto Black, he is still in Super Saiyan Rosé, but it is white since all of Baby's forms have white hair