Muslim CHALLENGES Jordan Peterson on the Trinity
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Watch how Jordan Peterson responds when challenged by a well-sophisticated and intelligent Muslim on one of the foundational principles of Christianity. Let me also know your thoughts in the comments. May God bless you.
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I am a son, a husband and a father yet I am one person....
Not so hard
Same way you can say you have a body a mind a soul a spirit it's all in one body
EXACTLY ! If we mere humans can adopt three persons in harmony, now imagine God. It only becomes impossible when you put your own mortal limitations to God.
This is a heresy and isn’t the trinity. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are all distinct and separate beings.
@@BananaNik John 10:30-33
King James Version
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
@@BananaNik Yet they are one...How do you reconcile that ? If you only pick out one aspect, then it's incomplete. The texts show that they are distinct yet they are one. If you cling to "they are distinct" obviously the other side looks like heresy, but they can turn and cling to "yet they are one" and call you a heretic. In reality, it says "they are distinct, yet are one". Meaning clinging to either one instead of the whole is the actual heresy. Though, i doubt this particular disagreement or lack of understanding is a thing that will result in the lose of salvation. I would rather someone have a misunderstanding about the nature of the unity of the trinity, than have them struggle with a misunderstanding of why Jesus came, the laws He taught and why He died on the cross.
An omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient sentient entity comprised of multiple sentient entities that are also omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient is an illogical absurdity. Perfection precludes the superfluous, hence Trinity is an illogical absurdity.
"Perfection precludes the superfluous."
Well stated! The implications of omnipotence especially are wildly under appreciated.
it's ironic how half the comments are saying, "Oh, it's not that difficult," while they end up embracing views that 90% of Christian scholars would consider heretical.
It’s not really that difficult tho.
God is not a being God IS being!
God created us in His image. That means we should be able to understand and perceive His Presence, Nature, and Being. The Laws of the Universe is written in a way that all creations can recognize and acknowledge it. God wants us to know Him. I believe it is within our limitations to fully understand and love God.
God exists outside time and space...the spiritual realm is seperated from the physical..why if god represents himself in all 3 planes is the trinity unthinkable
Teaching the trinity out of a book that doesn't explicitly teach what you believe is ludicrous. This doctrine had to be developed over time. This fact alone tells me it's not of God. It's of man.
God is one 💯
David Pawson really helped me understand the trinity, as well as other important areas of Christianity.
Tell us what is trinity and where in the bible do we find it?
Yes it is SO simple when you realise.
@@Traveler012
Genesis 1:1-3
Isaiah 48:16
Matthew 28:19
Few simple examples.
@@Traveler012 The Biblical Trinity (not the islamic one) is GOD the FATHER, GODS WORD and GODS SPIRIT. And GODS WORD is also referred to as the Son of GOD which reflects the relationship between God the Father and Gods Son. You find it in Matthew 28:19-20.
So now tell me, why do you believe that YOU will be with GOD our Father in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed.
@@johnzuma4688 Where in the bible does it say God the Father God the word and God the spirit you just made your own Christianity up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
These guys are deeply lost in their rationalizations. God and infinity can’t be grasped through rational logic.
It is rational and logical though...God is a personal being in that we are personal beings..A Soul, Spirit and body. God is just not limited to those things being in one place at a time, because as you know God is outside of our space and time. (As He should be as He is God the Almighty...). This is why even Scientists like Francis Collins and Mathematicians like John Lennox believe in God for example. God is wholly logical.
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole *spirit and soul and body* be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thessalonians 5:23
People don't grasp it because the message of the Gospel is foolish to the lost 😔
Lost in rationalizations? Even though Dr. Peterson said rationality has to subordinate to something above it? 3:35
Is not like what the Muslim is saying is his own opinion or words his was quoting the Quran "the word" of God, god himself is explaining to us what he is and is not but you people still persist about the concept of not being able to understand God or comprehend him , if by using our logic we are not able to grasp the fundamental concept of God how are we to worship him.
@@hex4569why?
Then you are no different then an atheist
If god can violate the law of contradiction then you would have no issue in affirming that god doesn’t exist and at the sametime also does exist
We’re talking about an infinite God, a God who exists outside of time and creation yet also the Creator of these things. Therefore to some extent He must be incomprensible, just as He is also comprehensible in how He revealed Himself to us
Funny that he says to Jordan that of there was a son and a father then they would compete with each othet, which is 100% muslim way of seeing things.. but since Christian God is love, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit do not compete but rather share and sacrifice it with each other because they are all love and can only act with love towards everything and everyone
Holy spirit is the personified Wisdom. Gods female element.
I mean you can't rationalize what God is but you can rationalize who God is.
Jordan Peterson, as much as I like the guy, should not be debating on behalf of Christianity. He's way too new and has a tendency toward reducing the person of God from the scriptures, down to a philosophy and a metaphor.
You’re wrong
JP has turned into a genocide apologist, so I lost all respect for him. He isn’t a Christian. He’s this new age cultural Christian, whatever the heck that is.
But as a Muslim, Ive been so disgusted with the online Christian/muslim discourse and I applaud your tone and style. We are talking about the devine here, and we should act accordingly. It will all be sorted out in the afterlife.
Mohammed (the one who claimed to be a prophet) said that his allah commanded that Mohammed bow down in worship in the direction of the Kaaba just like the pagans did. And Mohammed did that for some 5 years (624 AD to 629 AD) when the Kaaba was a shrine dedicate to 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. So who was Mohammed’s allah who was happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst 360 pagan idol gods? Remember the word “allah” only means “the god”.
We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba just like the pagans did when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. And Mohammed attributed magical properties to the black stone just like the pagans did. And of course Mohammed never destroyed the Kaaba or the black stone both of which are symbols of idol god worship. So Mohammed did not destroy paganism, he actually practised it.
As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol god. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
I once talked to some really nice Christians who were teaching people in a public park. I asked them, if they really believed that the Father and Jesus were separate Gods. They said yes. Then I asked, ok, but if they disagree with each other, which one of them takes precedence? They emphatically explained - "oh no, that could never happen, because they are of ONE MIND". Then I said, it sounds like you really believe in one God, not two. They didn't disagree with me. But who am I to tell people what they should believe? I merely reacted to their teaching in my own way.
I can see your point clearly and it's not an easy thing to comprehend but it can be apprehended. And we humans mimic the same state of being, in that you can be a son a father and a brother and still be one same person in body but adopt different persons psychologically. Now the part that can't be comprehended by humans is how God is able to have those persons seperate from Himself. Probably because He isn't limited to mortality and is all powerful.
The part of the different persons disagreeing is also interesting. From the human perspective, a man who appears as a son may have a differing opinion when he appears as a father. So in this way the 2 persons who are one, can disagree. But this is only possible because man is confined in time, which is one of the the mechanisms that allows for us to change our mind. But God is not constrained by time, which means His mind never changes, which is why ther persons of God cannot disagree with themselves. It's also the reason why the devil and his demons cannot be forgiven, because they made a decision outside of time. This also brings to light the love of God for man, that time istelf is a gift that God gives us to facilitate our ability to change our minds and turn to Him.
@@Kimkong2 certainly, I am a son, an father, a brother, also a husband, an employee, etc. These are not different people, these are different roles I play in my life. Also, these roles can sometimes conflict with each other - e.g. my wife wants to do something together tonight, but my boss wants me to work late. And each time, I have to decide which role is going to take precedence in each situation, i.e. resolve the disagreement. But with all that, no-one would ever say that I am 5 different people.
Maybe you're trying to say that the Christian concepts God the Father and God the Son are different roles that the Universal God takes on, rather than separate entities ?
@@markrcca5329 Ive edited my prior response to include some aspects about time. But basically, even in the sense where you wife wants you on a date at the same time your employer wants you at a shift is only a predicament because you are limited by your body and by time. Even still, your two persons as husband and employee are unified in their desire to want to spend time at the job and with your wife. They are still in perfect harmony and agreement in this case. With God, not limited by time, mater or space, can be in the different roles by His 3 persons. Paul kind of describes it in 2 corinthians 13 14. He describes the Holy spirit as the person of fellowship, Jesus to be the person of grace and God the father as the person of love. Basically, a best friend, a spouse and a parent.
The people you tolked to were ignorant or you misunderstood them, there is only 1 god in Christian dogma, jesus is on firm of god, to dumb it down,
@@Kimkong2 thank you for your explanation. It sounds to me like you're talking about God's personalities or roles; so that would be one God, with multiple roles and/or personalities. That's perfectly understandable to me.
Muslims also have this problem, how does god create the universe out of nothing?
God spoke the planet into existence with indescribable power; a power we cannot define, comprehend or reproduce. This power surpasses intellect, which has only been deposited to man for understanding scripture and the fulfilment of tasks within the world. If we stand on a mountain and look into the distance, we can only see as far as the eye has been designed to see. Yet, God can be everywhere all at once. As with the limitation of sight, if we cannot be intellectually complete within the world, how can our minds be sufficient to comprehend a God that's outside of it. When we view God primarily through the lens of our minds, we allow intellect to overshadow faith, and faith in Jesus Christ is the only way we can be accepted by our divine creator.
Counting angels on the head of a pin.
The way I see the trinity is like when a father plays with his son, the father accepts to lower himself to the standards of the intellect of the child to play with him to try to teach him some skills, some lessons. Jesus just like a father, is willing to limit his powers/abilities in order to be equal to his son and to better understand the hardships he is going through. Jesus was not just talking the talk, he was walking the walk, that's why he is undeniable and inevitable.
1corinthians 15: 24-28
Jesus says pray to the father…. So there’s that.
Jesus said that HE and the Father are ONE GOD. What more does one need?
@@johnzuma4688 show me scripture where is says “they are one God” lol I’ll wait
@@isaias630 Context is everything my friend. I know that is a difficult concept to understand for some.
John 10:30-33 Expanded Bible » 30 The Father and I are one.”
31 Again some of the ·people [Jewish leaders; L Jews] picked up stones to ·kill [L stone] Jesus.
32 But he ·said to [answered] them, “I have ·done [L shown you] many good works from the Father. Which of these good works are you ·killing [L stoning] me for?”
33 ·They [The Jewish leaders; L The Jews] answered him, “We are not ·killing [L stoning] you because of any good work you did, but ·because you speak against God [L for blasphemy]. You are only a human, but you ·say you are the same as God [claim to be God; L make yourself God]!”
Are the landlord and the agent of the landlord indistinguishable in who can enforce the rule of law in his fathers kingdom?
If you're going to describe Mohammed Hijab as "a well-sophisticated and intelligent Muslim", then I cannot take you seriously.
What you're saying is basically "Blind Faith"
How can we have 7 billion people and only one Reality? Duh... That's just how it is.
Hijab doe not understand the property of infinity. I recommend him looking up infinity.
Your argument can be used with any numbers not only three .??!
Sounds like lucifarian logic to me. "they would have tried to overthrow each other..." where have I heard that story before?
I don’t usually comment but I want to make an exception and I pray that God will give understanding to those who are sincerely seeking to understand the mystery of The Trinity.
Concerning The Trinity, God has an essential mode and an existential mode. In God’s essential mode; He is One God and in His existential mode He is Three distinct persons (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)
To further explain this, Jesus said that I am the water of Life. So we will use water to also illustrate this concept of the Trinity. Water has one essential mode and three existential mode. The essential mode of water is H2O and its existential mode is solid, liquid and gas. Ice water, liquid water and gaseous/ steam water are all H2O. Ice water is not liquid water and liquid water is not gaseous/steam water and gaseous/stream water is not ice water
At lesser and not so accurate illustration will be the US government. The US government is one in essence but the manifest in three existential mode; the executive, the legislative and the judiciary. They are all different but equal. They are also called the US government. The executive is not the legislative and the judiciary is not the executive and the legislative is not judiciary but they are all the US Government.
If somebody comes to you and says "There's nothing worth fighting for" and you leave before they say "That doesn't require a fight" have you heard all of what the intended to say. If somebody comes to you and says "nothing's better than hamburgers" either they like a plate empty or they like hamburgers rather than all other options.
Out 9,000 plus days have had but few dreams that have gone extremely symbolic and storied out an infinite array of possibilities, and God can set a stage before you get to a play, I wonder who wants to complicate seeking that which is profitable to be. Revelations 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his(: the Son of the Living God's) commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." You know what my bed ain't about to leave nobody Im commited to Cold anyway lean on me I'm a table that ain't going to break on you, someone named Elvis Presley said you can't build your dreams on suspicious minds. Gratitude, faith, a certain level of Love mixed with truth what can it tell me about a person?
So Hijab agrees that his allah cannot send his word to us as a human being. That makes Mohammed's allah no more god than any other pagan idol god as they cannot sent their word to us as a human being either.
Typical islamist view about 3 nity being 3 separate.
The 3 nity means 3 emanations of one god, it is mot different entity!
Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is NOT the GOD of the Christian and Hebrew Bible and Mohammed’s “the god” is not the GOD of Abraham. How do we know. First of all the Christian and Hebrew GOD calls HIMSELF our Father in heaven (Isaiah 63:16 ESV, Matthew 6:9-13). Mohammed's "the god" says he is the Father of no-one. (surah 112:3-4 and Surah 19:92) Mohammed's "the god" commanded Mohammed to bow down in worship to a shrine dedicated to the worship of 360 pagan idol gods (that is the Kaaba btw), something our GOD of the Bible would never do. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15-23). Mohammed's "the god" calls himself the best deceiver and our GOD of the Bible tells us that HE never lies. So three reasons why Mohammed's "the god" cannot be our GOD of the Bible.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The trinity is a spiritual subject, man cannot receive this subject until he's of the spirit.
Jesus was not all powerful.... And if God is all powerful, how can you say that God can't be a Trinity?
He is trying to apply rational acting to God... Who is does not need to be rational.
1×1×1=
We look at ourselves and say that we are Body, Mind and Spirit. We understand that these are three separate parts of us that make up the whole of us. Yet, we can't understand the Holy Trinity? Are we not made in His image. Jesus is the physical Body, God is the mind and the Holy Spirit is just that, the Spirit. The concept of God makes sense when you realize that there are three aspects that make up the One.
Matthew 28:19
The Great Commission, which says, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
John 14:26, “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”
1 John 5:7 NKJV
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." This does not mean there are three God's.
I dont support the trinity, but this Muslim does a poor argument against it. I only quote the bible and use logic, never attack. If you attack the other is going in defence.
This is so interesting. And revealing! The rationale of the Muslim albeit straight forward sounding when looked upon more closely reveals itself to be stuck in shallowness. My question would be if Islam is so superior then why did all Islamic countries fall behind in their development so massively behind the Christian world over the last couple of centuries? Why did the explosion of science happen in the Christian space and not in the Islamic space? Something fundamental must be missing in the Islamic worldview.
While Europe endured its “Dark Ages,” the Middle East preserved and expanded the arithmetic, geometry, trigonometry, and astronomy from the ancient Greek philosophers, such as Euclid. The most important contribution may be the invention of algebra, which originated in Baghdad in the House of Wisdom
Yes but, that was not invention of islam, it was the people who were not yet fully indoctrinated or subdued by islam, otherwise they would have burned it all as heretical just like isamist state was doing a few years back!
And europe did pass through the dark period of total religious domination, but it got out of it, reason won the fight, it hasn’t happened in islam, most likely because of fear of apostasy, being disowned and killed!
I don’t want to be rational!!! How you can rational your conclusion then???? Jordan lost big time
Funny when an a l l a h wo rshipper try to explain what Yehovah of the Bible can't be like.
The reality is you will never be able to explain the trinity (which is central to christianity). Its against rationality and logic. Hence why you had to do a video with a failed attempt to explain the trinity yet admitting it’s hard and complicated. Go back to what Jesus originally called for (He is Allah the One. Allah the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him).
Ancient tales)
The Old Testament and New Testament are adamant and clear that there is only 1 God. The Old Testament said the messiah would be the everlasting father and the mighty God, revelation 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty. Jesus said when you’ve seen me , you’ve seen the father. Simply put, Jesus is God. He is God incarnate. There is NO trinity anywhere in the Bible. Jesus is the Holy ONE, not 3. Colossians 2:8-9, For in Him [Jesus] dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus was a part of the Godhead but it all was in Him. When you come to the realization that God himself put on Humanity and died for our sins, it’s just awesome.
1:43 there's no way those are real words
You don’t even know the original language of your book 😂
“Rationality should be subordinate to something above it”
If we took that statement to be true then the following:
- Being irrational is the subordinate to rationality
And hypothetically for some stupid reason you wanted to say that; actually no being irrational is the superior mindset
Then god has no grounds to judge any human for committing immoral acts….
You really thought you did something with this video 🤣🤣
We as muslims believe that we cannot rationalise god as god is outside our realm and is beyond our intelligence. We also believe god gave us a mind to think and rationalise that everything came from him, and draw to the conclusion of 1 god.
You can not draw wisdom from irrationality.
Your video contradicts itself badly.
In short according to the logic of this video, you don’t need to be Christian to go to heaven. Better off throwing your chances with Islam in order to have a greater chance of salvation 😂😂
Your religion is no different than any other. You work to earn a place in heaven.
Yet Christians know that all have fallen short of the glory of God and we cannot earn a place in heaven.
Heaven is a gift of grace by God through faith in his Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
It is not what we can do for God, but what God has done for us.
@@hex4569 who told you that?
Our religion tells us that we cannot enter heaven without the mercy and grace of god no matter what actions we do…
You clearly are not well researched my brother
Who seem more like a god a god who had no equal and express himself in a unique way or a god had an equal and another two entity can mtch him
The holy spirit seem like he just hanging there doing nothing
Allah had no equal no equal entities he is one no children no grand children no wife no aunt no uncle
Intelligent and sophisticated? He worships a PDF file and does Taqiyya to himself to convince himself it's okay.
Mohammed Hijab is not sophisticated at all
I was a Muslim 20 yrs. Finally found Jesus. Islam is about your own works to get to heaven. I’ve read the quran and the Bible many, many times. The books are very similar. Most people in the Bible are also in the quran. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jonah, Joseph, Mary, Jesus. I now know 100% that no angel told Mohammed to write the quran. It’s just water downed scripture copied from the Holy Bible. Islam is not real. Jesus, the only way to the Father is through Him. The beginning and the end. The alpha and omega. The truth stops with Jesus, the cross, and the resurrection! Amen!
Islam is defo real bro not sure what the problem was in your experience but how do you know 100 perceng if i may ask ?
@@khadijaharbi3033 Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life, He says that Himself (not Isa, but the true Jesus found in the Bible). I'll be frank, unless you repent and believe in Jesus you will perish. Only Jesus died for your sins, you can't pay for yours. Why? because no one is perfect, and the standard is perfection. The word of God says our greatest works are like filthy works, so you must trust in the saviour. Islam is leading you astray.
I don't know if you're a Muslim who supports the riots, I'm not going to assume. If you are then firstly I would like to say I don't hate you, nor do I wish any harm towards you. However, I will say this: a true born again Christian is not at all surprised by the Muslim takeover, for it was forewarned in scripture. God (Yahweh) is in control. Even when Jews, Christians and all manner of our people are killed...even when your Mahdi comes which is shall very very soon, the Christian is prepared.
We Christians are not afraid because we know where we are going. We will be with God for eternity. We have a sure faith that no persecution can remove. It is foolish to persecute the church because it only makes us thrive! I pray you recieve salvation through Chriat too for I don't want you to be lost for eternity.
You are so true; Just to add to your comment - In the OT - We see the history of Gods' wonderful work by connecting to all prophets - And the prophets teach the law of God & preach to his chosen people Israel to believe who God is; Then the NT - Jesus (the word became flesh) & continue his Father's work by teaching and spreading the love of God to the world - For the last book which the muslim claim the Quran - We don''t see the continuing work of God - We only see that they copy and paste some of the text & stories like Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jacob, Jonah, Joseph, Mary, Jesus from the Bible - Again there's no connection between Allah and his people from the 3rd - 7th century history during Muhammad... BUT just these claims & ugly rules & laws - like allowing to marry 6-9 year old girl, beat your wife, wife are slaves to their husband, kill anyone who leaves (against) muslim & Jesus is just a prophet not God and more etc...
There is a Muslim dude at work. We get along great, but it's hard to talk about religion with him. He is very closed-minded. It seems to me that Islam is a selfish religion that focuses on knowledge and pride. It's not difficult to imagine a god that can manifest in a variety of ways, including dividing itself. If god can be a burning bush, why can't god be three things at once. Is he just not powerful enough, then maybe he isn't God.
@@Fit_By_Gods_Grace_Alone the new testament was written by greeks, not even in aramaic sadly
Why is he talking theology with a psychologist? 😂
Why talk theology with anyone in that case
@@Kvasir-thewise1 you wouldn't ask the pope about mathematical theory now would you? 😂
@@grantjohnston7972 that’s a weird comparison but I don’t think the Pope is against math. Do you think Christianity is against psychology or vice versa? If you knew anything about psychology you’d understand the importance of religion to society.
@@Kvasir-thewise1 well no but I don't understand the sense of using a title with "challenges" in all caps? 😂 faith and science are 2 separate entities. And you can't seriously say that religion is important for society in the world we live in today?
@@grantjohnston7972 I’m not religious but yes, I’d we still need it now. Firstly, in short, nations unite people, religion unites nations. Secondly, our morals and laws come mostly from religion, if you want an example of a society that did away with religion look at China or North Korea, those countries show that most people need to worship something, if not religion then the state, is that better? Personally, I’d say history says no.
Not all religions throughout history were good, but Christianity and Islam give the masses purpose, unites them with common values, I think we take that for granted and I wouldn’t wanna live in a world without it.
Im a muslim the point is islam doesnt say god cant do all that but the fact that god knows us well and that we will use this to change religion so it would make sense that god will present himself as one to humans who needed jesus to come and again convey the msg then again and last time by mohamed peace be upon him to convey the msg.
stupid
My question to you is, why do you trust Muhammad? How do you test whether someone who claims to be a prophet of God actually is? Much love ❤️✝️
If you say God can't do all why do you ask questions like can God make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it? That saying God can't do all.
Also there doesn't need to be a prophet if there are eye witnesses to what happened. It's like you believe the person who wasn't there rather then the people who were there because the person who wasn't there says the person who were there were corrupt because they didn't listen to the person who wasn't there.
What are u talking about, show me one verse in the bible where Jesus himself says he is God, worship me
Do you want exact words, because thats a fallacy.
If you want the likes I can give you several examples. . .
Think, they him crucified for blasphemy.
@@hex4569 the fallacy is believing he came here and said worship me, no, he said worship the father
@@rich213sal Are you admitting Jesus refered to himself as God, or are you trying to play linguistic games?
He accepts worship, and forgives sins.
Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
@@hex4569linguistic games? Which one? When did he refer to himself as God? And i mean he himself? Not a witness or thereafter a greek many years A.D
John 8, 58
Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
I am. it's a name that God introduces himself to Moses. Yahweh
Trinity is 666
Mohammed's "the god" (that is all that allah means) is NOT the GOD of the Christian and Hebrew Bible and Mohammed’s “the god” is not the GOD of Abraham. How do we know. First of all the Christian and Hebrew GOD calls HIMSELF our Father in heaven (Isaiah 63:16 ESV, Matthew 6:9-13). Mohammed's "the god" says he is the Father of no-one. (surah 112:3-4 and Surah 19:92) Mohammed's "the god" commanded Mohammed to bow down in worship to a shrine dedicated to the worship of 360 pagan idol gods (that is the Kaaba btw), something our GOD of the Bible would never do. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15-23). Mohammed's "the god" calls himself the best deceiver and our GOD of the Bible tells us that HE never lies. So three reasons why Mohammed's "the god" cannot be our GOD of the Bible.
@@johnzuma4688 in the BEginning God created the heaven and the earth. The god did not create anything.
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
..26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, for them to rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.
He created him
He created them (male and female)
He said worship his Father in heaven
Not him.
So why are you Worshipping him
Instead of his Father in heaven?
No One is God created the man
Why would anyone in his right mind call his God a lie or Allah? Or would someone in his right mind name his religion Judaism after Judas the betrayer of Christ?
Don't you know that there is a difference between the spirit and the hoLY spirit?
1 Corinthians 12:3
New International Version
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
The spirit of God says Jesus be cursed.
And the hoLY spirit Jesus is Lord.
@@johnzuma4688 Matthew 12:31-32
New International Version
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word Against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks A gains the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
@@johnzuma4688 the hoLY spirit will never be forgiven
@@BeIBe42780 So how does that make the Trinity 666?
A worm can be split in 2 and live as 2 separate beings. It is doubting gods ability and is blasphemy to think he can’t do something , as god can do anything x
Allah was not known by the forefathers he was only known in arabia
Jesus spoke Aramaic and in amaraic God is called Alaha and Elaha. In Arabic God is called Elah and Allah, scholars say the word Allah is derived from the Al-Elah(The God).