Everyone wants to drag race. Make a two mile course in the desert and time the trucks. Add a pressure measurement device on top of the seat and the driver's bottom and see how much force the truck is pounding the spine and single race to see who has the best time the Raptor R or the TRX
To be honest, 0 - 60 is irrelevant for this type truck. Definitely need an off road course. I agree that truck testing blogs do not test for what the truck is designed for. Typically, blogs do mud, rock crawling, and spinning donuts in the dirt.
A regular gen2 or gen3 raptor will already beat a TRX in actual offroad courses, the TRX outruns it’s suspension real quick & is quite nose heavy. What we need to see is a race @ the drag strip, the outcome offroad is already pre-determined unless Ram plans on upping the ante in the suspension/fire dept while also shedding lbs & adding true 4wd 😬
@@MS-mr4zm So if this is the case, why call the TRX the new King when it can't even beat the V6 Raptor Off-Road ? The literal purpose of the Raptor is Off-Road racing, not drag racing at all, so as soon as people complain and say the TRX beats it on a drag strip it's already lost, it's not an Off-Road truck than anymore or can ever be if all people praise it for is it's power and drag strip capabilities, which is exactly what i have been saying to anyone crediting the TRX to be better than the Raptor as an Off-road truck it's bs. The TRX sucks at it's own job.
The Raptor R looks great and I would love to have one. My 2 issues are stealerships jacking up the prices way over MSRP and Ford doing nothing about it, and we are in the worst recession since the 1970s. The starting price of $109K is ridiculous. I can buy a 2022 TRX for $92K which is way over the TRX MSRP which will end up being $40K less than the Raptor R after dealer markups (greed). Why can't we order direct from the mfr? All you need the dealer for is maintenance for the 800 recalls.
My local dealership here in Colorado won’t go above MSRP and may even sell for less than MSRP if you want to talk to them. Ironically, they sell both Ford and Dodge as well as Jeep. I just ordered a 392 Rubicon yesterday and am think about ordering a TRX Ram as well. I had previously said before that the only way I would ever buy a Raptor would be if it had a V-8 again and I won’t rule that out but I still think the TRX is a better truck and it will share like parts with my 2023 Jeep 392 JLUR.
There wont be dealerships to get stuff done on your truck if you cut em out of selling bud. Have fun getting your vehicle serviced at corporate Ford lol
@@bigbarrettbob I get your point but if dealers want $30K or more above MSRP and no one wants to pay that, and some will pay that, but we will pretend no one would for the sake of argument, then they would put themselves out of business. I would fly to another state and buy a vehicle at MSRP versus over
@@maverick-zj3jz you can get 0% financing sometimes on new vehicles when they run specials but below 5% is not uncommon at all if you have decent credit. Doesn't even have to be great.
Awesome truck!!!! Ford nailed this thing. So many comments about the price of fuel and this things likely poor fuel economy. Do these people really think someone who’s buying a $110,000+ truck cares about fuel / fuel prices??? Hahaha get with it folks!
Agree, to those who are ranting about the fuel consumption of the V8, it wasn't made for you. It was designed and made to the ones who can afford to maintain it and doesn't complain on refueling it most of the time.
'Bout time! That V6 was always a let down especially when the owner had to actually hit the gas. Big shout out to RAM for making Ford finally produce this 🤪
The trx is the first truck you can called a super truck from production, a whole different ball game. That why ford made the R🍕, if not ford would’ve kept the ecoboost or the normally aspirated coyote. Their both amazing truck i want both, but shoutout to ram for changing the game and ford now by competing. 🇺🇸
The engineer is 100% right on about building the truck to win in the desert! I could care less about 'winning' against the TRX in HP numbers, 0-60 or 1/4 mile on pavement. Keeping that weight down, keeping the truck well balanced front/rear, keeping the handling predictable is what it's all about if you plan on using if for more than just racing to the Starbucks drive through that you might not fit in. :D
It's such a shame how truck guys often talk in pejoratives about any other owner or potential buyer with other tastes. So some guys want the raptor to have better 1/4 mile times; that doesn't at all mean that they're "racing to Starbucks". It's fine for folks to want what they want.
I remember when I was in high school, this kid I knew had a (at the time) brand new 2011 Raptor. He always beat the shit out of it. Drove it at the river all the time and it always took it. Never had any problems that I knew of. These will always be my dream trucks. Any gen with any engine I love them all. I even got a 2014 F250 with the 6.2 to kinda inmate the 1st gen raptors lol. Just really heavy.
This is awesome that ford finally did this to compete with the TRX. That being said at 32:16 the engineer sounds a little unsure of how many they will be able to build, which is unfortunate because that means insanely high dealer markeups and people who end up buying these never putting them to use so that value can 'appreciate'. Specs and performance aside, this is ultimately where the TRX will still beat the Raptor R and that's on the basis of availability.
Didn't you hear him say that they always wanted to put the 5.2 in the raptor and they had to wait until the third gen to do it. This truck was planned and developed long before the TRX came out not a competition
@@kubeanie18 yes Agree Was planned before trx Leaf spring is dangerous on rough terrain w 700hp Built high ho gen 1 and 2 always have trailing arm conversion
@Mach 1 And it doesn't need to, we know most people don't buy these for what they're built for. The average Tacoma likely sees more desert time than either of these trucks.The trx does good enough in the desert and outperforms the Raptor in almost every way on pavement so how good the raptor is in the desert is not as important from a consumer standpoint, as long as it has the look and feel. The R needs to be able to compete with the trx on the basis of price and availability so that they can actually sell enough units otherwise production will be short lived
I think the people that keep asking for the V8 would have been fine with a 5.0 tuned in between the current truck and Mustang to 440hp back in the SuperCab configuration. Heck I think most buyers would like a more basic shock package if it meant Ford could bring the entry point back to $55k. Then make a Baja package with the live valve shocks and whatnot as a 10k option. Then the full tilt Supercab could be $65k and the SuperCrew $70k, which is where I think current Raptor pricing is. There is certainly room for the Raptor R but I think there is more demand for a more entry level truck like the Gen 1, which I think started at $48k when launched.
Even a Tremor with a 5.0 option I think would have been more than enough for most. The base Tremor is $55k and the 5.0 is a $1200 cheaper option than the 3.5L. If you could have just optioned that into one or something. Make a Raptor and a Raptor R package for the Tremor. I think it's a nice truck but some of the pricing is just getting out there.
@@S8ER the ones they've made have sold fine. They make a limited number of them and don't have any issue selling every last one of them so the amount they sell isn't a concern to them because they don't got an issue selling every one of the limited number they make.
@@ec3886 Given the fact that the R won't tear itself apart unlike the TRX and can actually do the Baja 1000 out of the Factory and do anything the TRX can and better, the price seems very fair fully loaded too.
@@raionshishi8290 Yeah, If I can get one close to msrp, I might pull the trigger. Love my SAS OBX Bronco but, this has me at a need for financial devastation.
Just a tip for you TFL guys doing the camera/sound/production work, please PLEASE take engine exhaust sound recordings a few feet back from the exh tips. You get a much better representation of what the exhaust sounds like VS up close where it's just muffled distortion of the deep bass tones coming thru on playback. Thanks! Keep the great content coming, us gearheads love it ❤
Guess you didn't watch the whole video where he said they wanted to put that motor in the raptor since the second generation. They had to wait for the new chassis to do it The TRX is not a competitor
@@kubeanie18 of course they had to say that for PR purpose. I don’t doubt that they’ve been trying to put a V8 back in Raptor but i think the TRX def accelerated their process of making this to happen. Hopefully the competition is going to help in terms of pricing too. I bought my gen 2 for off-roading purpose but with all these ridiculous 6-figure prices in the current market i start to feel like i own a luxury car instead.
@@leonkool123 How can the TRX accelerate something that was already planned, seems to me like they took their time more than they rushed considering it was a year after the Gen 3 they brought out the R. If they actually were rushing they would have released this thing today while revealing it soon after the Gen 3 was already made and tested. The TRX had no real influence on this being made in the first place.
@@kubeanie18 really you take everything they say at face value, I can assure if TRX wasn’t on market, you’d have never seen a V8, raptor R is like an after thought
Bought a 2010 Raptor with 6.3L. Paid $48,000 for it. Kept it 9 years and 22,000 mi. Sold it for $38,000. Best truck I ever owned. Loved all of it. I will be getting one of the new V8 models.
Lol the amount of hate people are giving the raptor R lol some people are so ungrateful and selfish , man the fact that Ford listened and at least gave us a V8 with 700 Hp is enough for me , mopar kiss asses are saying Trx has more horse power so it’s better🤣🤣🤡🤡 it literally has 2 more horses , surely it has more torque but the raptor is a 4.10 and puts the power down faster and harder with that gear ratio, where as the Trx has a 3.55 gear ratio . But whats going to make up for the raptor not having as much torque as the Trx is that 10 speed , not to mention the raptor is lighter , the engine weighs less , and is a smaller displacement engine than that heavy 6.2 hellcat engine , I’m not hating on the Trx I love those trucks but some of y’all are judging and not giving the raptor r a chance
the 10 speed is not an advantage over 8 speed , the 4,0 might be over 3.55. just look at the bronco 4.7 gears .motortend found that lanching in 2 nd gear gave better 0 to 60. i just think its funny "we always want to put this motor in a a raptor bu couldn't unless we hand coil rear" had nothing to do with the trx,just like jeep 392 had nothing to do with bronco.
Yes two last horsepower 400 lb less weight If you watch the video he said they want to be faster off-road not on road. If they did that they would have to go to a smaller tire size and retune the truck. This truck is designed for going fast off-road.
Excellent video Andre!! And OMG...what an AMAZING TRUCK!! I think they nailed it. Improved all tha areas that needed it and now the ball is in RAM's yard...no matter what I think the back and foth between those 2 will be interesting but is going to be hard for RAM to overcome that weight difference.
@@ec3886 where's this video on the Shelby spanking the TRX I wanna see it and where is this video of the Raptor spanking a TRX that's not Ben Hardy's? Pls show me I bet you can't
Things Ive never seen off road because they cost 2 much........sasquatch bronco, raptor 37 package, ram trx, new land rover defender, wrangler 392, trd pro Tacoma......we will add this 2 the list.....these people go maybe 2 times a year off pavement usually on trails a crossover can handle
I'll stick with my 2018, I will take better fuel economy over exhaust sound, especially in overland use. Plus the prices dealerships are going to charge you for one will be criminal.
True. You know doesn't seem a lot until you spend the money on it, buy the truck drive it for a couple weeks and then think about what the hell did I just spent 100k on for? I bought a 2017 chevy Silverado 3500 but at least I get to use it for what is was intended for. These 1500s are a waste of money.
The average V6 Raptor driver can pretty much accomplish anything off road that the new V8 Raptor can do. Most the time you won't be comparing your V6 up against the V8 or a TRX So beyond the bragging rights of owning the V8, im not sure the justification to drop easily $130,000 + if not way more from dealerships, depending on which state you purchase one from seems a tad bit asinine. Let's not forget its existence was forced based purely on the birth of the TRX. Ford never wanted to go this route. Side note the artist who came up with that side graphic needs to be fired. It looks Flintstone. Yabba Dabba Doo.
@@davidhobbs5807 Different engines, different customers… V6 buyers prioritize fuel efficiency over hp and V8 buyers prioritize hp over fuel efficiency…
Ask him the real tough question, “Why are they only doing a limited run with this truck, when number 1 it was built as an answer to the TRX, and number 2 enthusiast have been screaming their asses off for a V8 Rapter since it’s demise after the first generation SVT Raptor.” It is completely unfair that the only people that are going to be able to afford this truck our a bunch of rich ass baby boomers Who probably will not take this truck out to the desert and turn around and resell it later. It’s infuriating that some of us have been waiting for a V8 raptor to make it’s reappearance only for it to have a limited run so dealers can get limited allocations and Jack the mark up’s to nearly double the cost of the truck… I’m a huge Ford fan boy, but all the moves they are making with their performance products are purely disappointing.
No I was thinking the same, it’s like “ a small group of ford folks” forced them Into this direction. They should have forced it to have like 710 HP but I think they dropped the ball on the bragging rights
I think people need to step back and think about who Andre was talking to. These are engineering people, not used car salesmen. They speak in numbers and metrics, not gee-wiz stuff and they don't typically get excited or out of control.
@@kinsmen1764 all this fuss over every last rated horsepower is silly. Who cares if it's 700 or 710 I mean come on. The only reason it's making 700 is because rpm was lowered to 7k and they optimized the power curve for truck usage. It has a better power to weight ratio than the trx and it will murder it in an actual offroad racing environment (what it was actually built for). This thing has potential to make some crazy power if one wants if people can actually tune them. May require a stand alone if they aren't tunable which would suck.
My 2106 C7 had these same mode configuration abilities. Glad to see the Raptor is finally getting basic performance options 6 years later and at a cost of over 100k...
@@zachdavis5394 Yes, but not to this level of configuration. The mode was locked to a standard config, could not change things like exhaust mode / wheel mode within each mode. The ability to mix and match. That's what I'm referring to.
$110k is too much. I was prepared to spend up to $90k but I’ll just buy a Gen 1 instead. Now this isn’t Ford’s fault. I’ve been busy and not keeping up with any reporting about price. I just did not expect a >$100k price tag. My wife would slaughter me
You currently can't buy a V-6 for $90K unless you can if you can find a dealer selling at MSRP. 90% are not. People are paying $10K - $30K over MSRP for V-6 Raptors right now.
@@Tonyr0206 then I deluded myself. But on the bright side I’ll be able to walk into a dealer and buy a 2014 with cash, which will be a feeling I’ve wanted since I was a teenager.
You can literally get a Gen 1, throw a supercharger in it AND a long travel suspension front and rear and you’ll be able to slaughter gen 2’s, gen 3’s and trx’s all day in the DIRT. On pavement is another story
@@raulgallardo5140 I’m buying a 2014 with 50k miles for $38k as soon as I get back in the states. I won’t have a new raptor but I’ll have a raptor and a v8
I like that the FORD representatives are not high on their horse sort of speak they are Honest/ Humble .I would expect them to be more of a ( salesman attitude) but they tell it like it is like when he said"645 horse power he didnt say oh its 700 hp 👍☺
Yes they are down to earth cool people and love to talk about Ford performance products. I hung out with the Ford Raptor race team at Parker races back in 2017., at their rented house, at a local desert bar for beers and the race track. They were all normal dudes with a passion for performance trucks and enjoyed answering all questions. That little adventure got me by while I endured my 8 month wait on Raptor delivery :)
Nice. Now FoMoCo should use the 2.3 liter high performance EcoBoost package in the Ranger. No big changes, just tweaking and tuning for a 330 hp engine.
Thanks for the video Andre. I do enjoy your content on TFL. It’s clear that Ford instructed you not to compare to the TRX in this video, but I can’t help but to think that once Ram puts 37s on the TRX then they will sell a ton of trucks. The Raptor R will only be produced in limited numbers at a high MSRP plus dealer mark up and will push many more potential buyers to the Ram.
People really only buy the ram for the v8. Nothing else really. Off road, where the trucks are supposed to be, raptor takes the cake in almost all categories
@@tony_tiger3405 : Lets be real, how many of these trucks are even taken off-road? Most people don't live anywhere near a desert where they could go out & run them at high speed. Both trucks are too big & wide for many other trails/off-roading. If anyone would be likely to go off-roading it's Jeep Wrangler owners & even Jeep says that only 10% - 15% of Wrangler owners ever go off-road. The majority of 4WD vehicles are nothing but pavement princesses.
Sometimes I regret trading my Gen 1 for the Gen 2…. Ford is about to lose one loyal Raptor customer, not because of the price, but for not cracking down on dealer mark ups, and dealer hoarding allocations. @ford
At one time I heard of a 6.8L variant of the 7.3L. I would like to see an all aluminum version of the 6.8L to take the place or add to the line up of the F series or mustang. Wishful thinking I suppose.
Looks like the reporting over the last year was true, Ford had a hard time mating their truck to the Predator engine. Ford literally seems to be sad about their product. Almost like they didn't want to make it, but they "had" to because the TRX exists. RAM got to design a truck around their engine from scratch, and Ford got caught with their pants down when the TRX was unveiled. The Ford engine engineer in this video didn't offer ANY enthusiasm at all...Andre had drag information out of him. Andre: "Tell me about this beast" to "So...there is the dipstick?....Ford: Yea...that's the dipstick" LMAO!! I have a 2021 TRX and don't think I would trade is straight up for the Raptor R. This might be the latest truck to be released, but they did not beat out RAM with this truck. I paid 78k for my TRX and the Raptor R starts at 109k. I don't see the 40k+ (without mark ups) value in any way. And to all of those saying, this truck is 400 pounds lighter, so it will be faster...lets see what the track times look like with 37 inch tires and less hp and torque. Also, just because it says 700 hp on the sheet now, doesn't mean that its 100% accurate yet. This truck has yet to be released and there has been talk for a year that they had problems above 650hp which is why it took so long to release this thing. A leaked engineer quote already has this at 690hp...not 700. Its still not a lot, but Ford gave up and released what they had. This truck is not superior to the TRX in any way and is clear they did not want to spend any additional time trying to one up it anymore. I owned a 2014 Gen 1 and a 2018 Gen 2. The whole time I had my gen 2, I really missed the V8. I loved my raptors...until...I watched that TRX reveal live stream. They were so enthusiastic and they were excited to show the customer what they made. RAM was full of info like stats/specs/engineering data and you could hear they absolutely LOVED how the TRX came out. I was amazed watching that stream from start to finish. I saw that truck and knew I needed to have one. (also, people saying the TRX is Fiat are just Raptor fanboys, TRX is SRT. Just like the original Raptor was SVT.) This release of the Raptor R is almost like..."Shhhhhhh....we don't really want to draw attention to this." Its like they know this truck is a novelty Raptor and don't want it out there for people to be talking about. They also talk about very few will be made and no production numbers are available? Come on Ford...the release of your truck makes it look like your dog died. Personally, I'm disappointed.
@@richardmodglin3900 Its your money, spend it on whatever you want. There is no BS in my post, just personal opinions from my own experiences, some reported figures from multiple outlets and correcting misinformation like the TRX being a Fiat. The TRX Hellcat engine is SRT/MOPAR. I was just making observations and sharing my experience with owning both products.
"This truck is not superior to the TRX in any way." Your opinions can be bullshit too. It's obvious that you're just going into denile trying to convince yourself that the Raptor is garbage. How about checking out the channel where the Raptor V6 beats the TRX around the track by 7 seconds. Gee.....I wonder what the R version will beat it by?
@@richardmodglin3900 Why so mad bro? Life is good…sit back and enjoy it a little. Its not a big surprise that people are going to have different opinions to mine. There’s no reason to get all balled up about it. Chill
20:50 "A very challenging work environment.............." yet some will still argue that no one is trying to limit/take away our FREE CHOICE. Ya, sell that line of nonsense elsewhere. Glad to see some are still making these types of engines.
shame they don't do that one in right hand drive for the uk market, we only get the baby version with a 3 litre V6 which is still pretty cool but this thing is a beast...
What timing ! Only the rich can afford this truck ! I’ve owned and own a second gen raptor I would love to buy the new raptor r but can’t ! The mark up is crazy ! So sad 😞 I’m a true and loyal ford buyer
Same. I ordered a first gen with the 6.2 and still own it. Great truck. But this pricing is insane. I would have been calling my dealer to place an order if they had kept it to within a couple thousand of the TRX.
Ditto.. I'm lucky to own my 2020. Purchased before crazy bullshit COVID shortages. They had 20 Raptors on the lot and probably 150+ F150s selling for under sticker. Sounds like those days are long gone.
I know it's a frivolous thing, but I am amazed at how much more aesthetically pleasing the SC V8 is to look at compared to the twin-turbo V6. The V8 looks very sorted, and the V6 seems a bit schizophrenic 😁
Limited availability and dealership Added Dealer Markups (ADMs) will make this truck next to impossible to obtain. Its already bad enough for the current Raptor! Would be nice if the gang at TFL can talk to Ford if they plan to do anything about the ADMs that can kill off great vehicles! Dealerships already adding $50k+ to order a Raptor R!
These are going to be highly allocated, dealers will not be able to order as many as they want. So due to the rareness, they will be bringing way over MSRP to the few that can buy one. Preorders are most likely have already filled up most of the original allocations. Dealerships are not nonprofit organizations, and I would bet that if those that are complaining about mark ups owned a dealership, you would be doing the same thing. Supply and demand. It is a great option for the few.
Its actually genius, lets sell tons of v6 raptors then sell tons of v8 raptors. Pretty good buisness decision 👌 . Maybe next is a 7.3 supercharged version to sell more raptors! Nothing wrong with variety and choice . Maybe thats why the f150 is the best selling vehicle in the world
The aluminum block is the only issue I see with this motor in a truck after a few years of truck use! Should have been iron cheaper and stronger especially since ppl that get this truck will drive them hard turn the boost up want to tow with it and carry a load of ply or cinderblocks that motor will be over stressed over time that's why the old 6.2 was a iron block it's a truck motor designed for truck use and longevity... even ram and gm are smart enough to use iron block motors... only time will tell
@@gopaulsalick507 lol. I can tell you have never designed anything. 200 lbs makes a huge difference. The suspension tuning and weight distribution is greatly effected.
@@BrianBourgeois- so you telling me having a thick chick or a normal sized man in the passenger seat of a truck makes a big difference... guess you never drove a truck with a passenger/s in it
Nice truck Anyone notice that the alternator is really low on the engine. Not a big deal but looks like a pain to change and if you like to go through deep mud it makes vulnerable. I've lost a few alternators from mud and water . Trail fix
Ford is always playing it safe. They should have blew Ram out the water. After all their charger and challenger kicked the gt500 ass with all the variations of the hellcat motor. I love Ford and I wish for once they get some balls.
@@blickedxb No I don’t think so it was either malfunctioning or because it wasn’t started there’s no way they’ll have to put the full-size tank 36 gallons for the demo
Awesome truck, just not a huge fan of them getting rid of the front torsen, and you can only engage rear locker in 4wd, can't do it in 2wd. Previous raptors you had the torsen and in my 2019, you can engage rear locker in 2wd.
Ford produces an amazing vehicle but boy do they need to work on marketing I’m a salesman and profession and I’m sure this guy has tons of knowledge but he is not a salesman I would love the opportunity to present this truck to the world
Better tell Chuck to launch the Bronco is sport mode w/4A and start in manual mode 2nd gear. Throw it into auto after he launches. He’ll still lose, but he’ll get a better start this way 😊
I dig the truck, just not the one-price, $105k angle. Makes it seem like they don't want to compete with Ram, head-to-head, in the $75-85k price range. If someone wants to pay $105k, they'll get there. To start there, just a weird move. It will lower sales, but they'll get a nice profit on each unit. Also something you do when low on cash, which Ford is
Nobody seems to mention the fact that Ford did this for competition and not to please the customers lol And nobody seems to compare to the TRX live with the Ford guys ! We all know why Ford did the R , because of the TRX! Would of been nice to admit that.
Vast majority of People want the V8, Not a "small group". Nobody asked for a V6 in a full size truck, nobody.. Mike Sweers should take notes here and fix the Tundra...
@@paulhunter9613 because Ford is manufacturering far more ecoboosts. They limit the V8 production by design to sell more of the cheap ecoboost V6 Garbage. Toyota isn't even offering the V8 now for this reason.
so ford engineers a month ago said they were not getting more than 650hp with this application. which tells me this thing is making 650 to 675 crank hp and ford is stretching that number to 700hp. If it made 700hp they wouldve tuned it for an extr 3 to 10hp just to beat the trx hp number. Hp dyno numbers are a tool and there is so much more to it. but like how a lighter 750hp shelby f150 roush f150 etc etc gets beat by a way heavier trx. The numbers game looks bad knowing qhat the engineers said. for a truck starting at over 100k this thing has to perform. This is sad knowing after market companies like midnight performance can make up to 1200whp and have loads of them running 8s and 9s in the 1/4 with stock sealed coyote v8s makes me see again its just ford being ford. being 2 years behind the trx they needed to not just beat but decimate the trx since this is fords game. They shouldve made a street and baja version. street would be the appeal for the ppl that will never offroad a raptor and want speed. 80% of ppl buying these will never go offroad so street version wouldve been cool.
Funny.😄 So many of you guys arguing that 0-60 times don’t matter, since this is an “OFF ROAD TRUCK”.😄 99% of use will be ON ROAD. Doesn’t look like anyone driving to work with a Ram TRX has anything to worry about if a RaptoR pulls up.😆
Raptor R is a stunning peice of engineering + extremely versatile on road of road factory built super truck now with a halo hand built engine strapped into a high pedigree Baja successful runner. It is the far superior truck than the hap hazardly slapped together trx.
Idk maybe they didn’t want to much power. 700 is a lot that’s more than the corvette z06 with 670. Plus it’s lighter than the trx by a 1,000 pounds. Which is a huge advantage.
Just realize the trx is a twinkle in some guys eye before ford had the balls to make an offroad performance truck with the first gen raptor how long did it take ram to compete with that vs how long did it take ford to compete with the trx
Ford built a truck for jay leno and RUclips, most ford fans will never have the opportunity to buy one, this truck is unattainable for a blue collar worker, not to mention it starts at least 30k higher then a TRX without any ADM’s. what competition?
Everyone wants to drag race. Make a two mile course in the desert and time the trucks. Add a pressure measurement device on top of the seat and the driver's bottom and see how much force the truck is pounding the spine and single race to see who has the best time the Raptor R or the TRX
Ben hardy did with the ecoboost raptor and it was faster than the trx.
Exactly. This drag race shit is ignorant. I want real world usability tests based on its purpose.
To be honest, 0 - 60 is irrelevant for this type truck. Definitely need an off road course. I agree that truck testing blogs do not test for what the truck is designed for. Typically, blogs do mud, rock crawling, and spinning donuts in the dirt.
A regular gen2 or gen3 raptor will already beat a TRX in actual offroad courses, the TRX outruns it’s suspension real quick & is quite nose heavy. What we need to see is a race @ the drag strip, the outcome offroad is already pre-determined unless Ram plans on upping the ante in the suspension/fire dept while also shedding lbs & adding true 4wd 😬
@@MS-mr4zm So if this is the case, why call the TRX the new King when it can't even beat the V6 Raptor Off-Road ? The literal purpose of the Raptor is Off-Road racing, not drag racing at all, so as soon as people complain and say the TRX beats it on a drag strip it's already lost, it's not an Off-Road truck than anymore or can ever be if all people praise it for is it's power and drag strip capabilities, which is exactly what i have been saying to anyone crediting the TRX to be better than the Raptor as an Off-road truck it's bs. The TRX sucks at it's own job.
The Raptor R looks great and I would love to have one. My 2 issues are stealerships jacking up the prices way over MSRP and Ford doing nothing about it, and we are in the worst recession since the 1970s. The starting price of $109K is ridiculous. I can buy a 2022 TRX for $92K which is way over the TRX MSRP which will end up being $40K less than the Raptor R after dealer markups (greed). Why can't we order direct from the mfr? All you need the dealer for is maintenance for the 800 recalls.
My local dealership here in Colorado won’t go above MSRP and may even sell for less than MSRP if you want to talk to them. Ironically, they sell both Ford and Dodge as well as Jeep. I just ordered a 392 Rubicon yesterday and am think about ordering a TRX Ram as well. I had previously said before that the only way I would ever buy a Raptor would be if it had a V-8 again and I won’t rule that out but I still think the TRX is a better truck and it will share like parts with my 2023 Jeep 392 JLUR.
There wont be dealerships to get stuff done on your truck if you cut em out of selling bud. Have fun getting your vehicle serviced at corporate Ford lol
@@j.r.777 that's good to hear JR. Congrats on that 392.
@@bigbarrettbob I get your point but if dealers want $30K or more above MSRP and no one wants to pay that, and some will pay that, but we will pretend no one would for the sake of argument, then they would put themselves out of business. I would fly to another state and buy a vehicle at MSRP versus over
@@j.r.777 what is the name of the dealer?
With the 110K starting price, a dealer markup, and 5% interest on the loan, you'd end up paying 200K for this. That is STUPID money for a truck.
It is totally ridiculous
What dealer is only charging 5%?
@@maverick-zj3jz you can get 0% financing sometimes on new vehicles when they run specials but below 5% is not uncommon at all if you have decent credit. Doesn't even have to be great.
Don't pay a crazy dealer markup. If you pay 200k for this truck you deserve to be ass reeemed
@@maverick-zj3jz estimate on interest, not dealer markup.
Awesome truck!!!! Ford nailed this thing. So many comments about the price of fuel and this things likely poor fuel economy. Do these people really think someone who’s buying a $110,000+ truck cares about fuel / fuel prices??? Hahaha get with it folks!
I can buy this and I still care. Porridge fuel and range. It's just dumb at this point. Same reason I wouldn't buy the GT500. No I'm not poor lol
Power is not going to improve its handling and roadholding
Agree, to those who are ranting about the fuel consumption of the V8, it wasn't made for you. It was designed and made to the ones who can afford to maintain it and doesn't complain on refueling it most of the time.
@@robertryan7204 do you think it’s not good in those areas? I thought it was just me and when I suggested it Raptor folks attacked 😅
@@cl3410 Not many in Australia in fact not many current F150's at all
'Bout time! That V6 was always a let down especially when the owner had to actually hit the gas. Big shout out to RAM for making Ford finally produce this 🤪
And a big shout out to the Ford Raptor for making Dodge make the TRX. 😄😄
Now all you have to do is pay for it 💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
The v6 is awesome!
The trx is the first truck you can called a super truck from production, a whole different ball game. That why ford made the R🍕, if not ford would’ve kept the ecoboost or the normally aspirated coyote. Their both amazing truck i want both, but shoutout to ram for changing the game and ford now by competing. 🇺🇸
Now we have to pressure gm into making a Baja truck.
Andre you are the best at these videos you ask all the questions but also the ones that not many ppl think about.
The engineer is 100% right on about building the truck to win in the desert! I could care less about 'winning' against the TRX in HP numbers, 0-60 or 1/4 mile on pavement. Keeping that weight down, keeping the truck well balanced front/rear, keeping the handling predictable is what it's all about if you plan on using if for more than just racing to the Starbucks drive through that you might not fit in. :D
It's such a shame how truck guys often talk in pejoratives about any other owner or potential buyer with other tastes.
So some guys want the raptor to have better 1/4 mile times; that doesn't at all mean that they're "racing to Starbucks".
It's fine for folks to want what they want.
I remember when I was in high school, this kid I knew had a (at the time) brand new 2011 Raptor. He always beat the shit out of it. Drove it at the river all the time and it always took it. Never had any problems that I knew of. These will always be my dream trucks. Any gen with any engine I love them all. I even got a 2014 F250 with the 6.2 to kinda inmate the 1st gen raptors lol. Just really heavy.
I think the gen 2 front end in a supercab is the best looking truck
2nd gen will forever be the best looking raptor!
I agree. If I could find one with low miles for a good price id buy it
With each generation the flares got smaller and smaller
@@mattbrew11 I have one with 42k miles on it black on black if your interested
This is awesome that ford finally did this to compete with the TRX. That being said at 32:16 the engineer sounds a little unsure of how many they will be able to build, which is unfortunate because that means insanely high dealer markeups and people who end up buying these never putting them to use so that value can 'appreciate'. Specs and performance aside, this is ultimately where the TRX will still beat the Raptor R and that's on the basis of availability.
Didn't you hear him say that they always wanted to put the 5.2 in the raptor and they had to wait until the third gen to do it. This truck was planned and developed long before the TRX came out not a competition
@@kubeanie18 yes
Agree
Was planned before trx
Leaf spring is dangerous on rough terrain w 700hp
Built high ho gen 1 and 2 always have trailing arm conversion
Yah he says we finally gave the ppl where they want, but then says they're going to be very hard to get...😒
Expense will kill many people's interest in the Raptor
@Mach 1 And it doesn't need to, we know most people don't buy these for what they're built for. The average Tacoma likely sees more desert time than either of these trucks.The trx does good enough in the desert and outperforms the Raptor in almost every way on pavement so how good the raptor is in the desert is not as important from a consumer standpoint, as long as it has the look and feel. The R needs to be able to compete with the trx on the basis of price and availability so that they can actually sell enough units otherwise production will be short lived
I think the people that keep asking for the V8 would have been fine with a 5.0 tuned in between the current truck and Mustang to 440hp back in the SuperCab configuration. Heck I think most buyers would like a more basic shock package if it meant Ford could bring the entry point back to $55k. Then make a Baja package with the live valve shocks and whatnot as a 10k option. Then the full tilt Supercab could be $65k and the SuperCrew $70k, which is where I think current Raptor pricing is. There is certainly room for the Raptor R but I think there is more demand for a more entry level truck like the Gen 1, which I think started at $48k when launched.
Keep dreaming nobody getting this for under 150k probably closer to 200k
Facts.. raptor with a 5.0 at same price point as the V6 would have been selling like hotcakes this entire time.
Even a Tremor with a 5.0 option I think would have been more than enough for most. The base Tremor is $55k and the 5.0 is a $1200 cheaper option than the 3.5L. If you could have just optioned that into one or something. Make a Raptor and a Raptor R package for the Tremor. I think it's a nice truck but some of the pricing is just getting out there.
@@S8ER the ones they've made have sold fine. They make a limited number of them and don't have any issue selling every last one of them so the amount they sell isn't a concern to them because they don't got an issue selling every one of the limited number they make.
@@midnight347 yeah.. I mean ford wouldn’t have sold V6s if they didn’t sell and they didn’t profit like crazy off of them. That’s true.
The way the engineer is standing in that cover photo is EVERYTHING you need to know about ford😂
I went back to look at the cover picture and yeah you're right...lol
Oh damn!
Built for proud.
@@trxntroll843 LGBTqRX
giving off “men can get pregnant” vibes
That Ford dude is no joke. A serious engineer that knows his shit. Thanks for the great vid. Another awesome ford product.
Don't really see the 30k up price on value vs the TRX.. Sorry might be to much to late especially now at these times..
Don't forget this is a fully loaded trim with as much options as a highest trim V6 Raptor can get.
Given the v6 already spanks the trx in a desert run? I'd imagine the price difference is for a good reason.
@@ec3886 Given the fact that the R won't tear itself apart unlike the TRX and can actually do the Baja 1000 out of the Factory and do anything the TRX can and better, the price seems very fair fully loaded too.
@@raionshishi8290 Yeah, If I can get one close to msrp, I might pull the trigger. Love my SAS OBX Bronco but, this has me at a need for financial devastation.
then you don't need buy either , Both are fancy toys
Just a tip for you TFL guys doing the camera/sound/production work, please PLEASE take engine exhaust sound recordings a few feet back from the exh tips. You get a much better representation of what the exhaust sounds like VS up close where it's just muffled distortion of the deep bass tones coming thru on playback. Thanks! Keep the great content coming, us gearheads love it
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We all know that they brought out the R because of the TRX. Competition is good for the market!
Guess you didn't watch the whole video where he said they wanted to put that motor in the raptor since the second generation. They had to wait for the new chassis to do it The TRX is not a competitor
@@kubeanie18 of course they had to say that for PR purpose. I don’t doubt that they’ve been trying to put a V8 back in Raptor but i think the TRX def accelerated their process of making this to happen. Hopefully the competition is going to help in terms of pricing too. I bought my gen 2 for off-roading purpose but with all these ridiculous 6-figure prices in the current market i start to feel like i own a luxury car instead.
@@leonkool123 How can the TRX accelerate something that was already planned, seems to me like they took their time more than they rushed considering it was a year after the Gen 3 they brought out the R. If they actually were rushing they would have released this thing today while revealing it soon after the Gen 3 was already made and tested. The TRX had no real influence on this being made in the first place.
@@kubeanie18 really you take everything they say at face value, I can assure if TRX wasn’t on market, you’d have never seen a V8, raptor R is like an after thought
@@kinsmen1764 if the raptor was never made there would be no trx
Ford should get the ( Roush ) company to do the ( exhaust system ) for all Raptor R s . 😎👍
Had 2017 Roush Supercharged F150 and currently have Roush Raptor. Both trucks with Roush Exhaust. Its rebranded Borla Atak. Thats all.
Bought a 2010 Raptor with 6.3L. Paid $48,000 for it. Kept it 9 years and 22,000 mi. Sold it for $38,000.
Best truck I ever owned. Loved all of it.
I will be getting one of the new V8 models.
Lol the amount of hate people are giving the raptor R lol some people are so ungrateful and selfish , man the fact that Ford listened and at least gave us a V8 with 700 Hp is enough for me , mopar kiss asses are saying Trx has more horse power so it’s better🤣🤣🤡🤡 it literally has 2 more horses , surely it has more torque but the raptor is a 4.10 and puts the power down faster and harder with that gear ratio, where as the Trx has a 3.55 gear ratio . But whats going to make up for the raptor not having as much torque as the Trx is that 10 speed , not to mention the raptor is lighter , the engine weighs less , and is a smaller displacement engine than that heavy 6.2 hellcat engine , I’m not hating on the Trx I love those trucks but some of y’all are judging and not giving the raptor r a chance
I THNK FORD IS PLAYING GAME HERE WITH THE TRX. ONCE TRX TUNED ITS ENGINE TO HIGHER HP, FORD CAN EASILY RAISE ITS HP TO 760 OR MORE.
And none of them can afford one after all the smack they talk 🤣🤙🏽
@@virgfresco1403 why are you yelling
Also Ford managed to keep the R weight within 100lbs of the eco boost
the 10 speed is not an advantage over 8 speed , the 4,0 might be over 3.55. just look at the bronco 4.7 gears .motortend found that lanching in 2 nd gear gave better 0 to 60.
i just think its funny "we always want to put this motor in a a raptor bu couldn't unless we hand coil rear"
had nothing to do with the trx,just like jeep 392 had nothing to do with bronco.
Best RaptorR video yet! I did get my order in today!
Congratulations to you! My order will be in by December!
Congrats....and the pmts start in January......😬
@@johnnyfreeman1018 wife says zero $$ borrowed no payments so that means i have to sell current stuff to pay for it!
Dear Ford,
If you were going to show up to this party two years late, why did you also show up with less in hand than Ram?
-Curious Truck Guys
Yes two last horsepower 400 lb less weight If you watch the video he said they want to be faster off-road not on road. If they did that they would have to go to a smaller tire size and retune the truck. This truck is designed for going fast off-road.
The trx bever beat the raptor inits actual pirpose, off road racing in tracks
Excellent video Andre!! And OMG...what an AMAZING TRUCK!! I think they nailed it. Improved all tha areas that needed it and now the ball is in RAM's yard...no matter what I think the back and foth between those 2 will be interesting but is going to be hard for RAM to overcome that weight difference.
Nah Rams solution is more HP and it works 😂
Ram already has more power 707
@@kinsmen1764 702 btw. TRX crushed the Raptor R with 2 more hp
@@dor1tomcswagger69 Maybe on pavement. Offroad run, Raptor and Shelby f150 spanked the trashx
@@ec3886 where's this video on the Shelby spanking the TRX I wanna see it and where is this video of the Raptor spanking a TRX that's not Ben Hardy's? Pls show me I bet you can't
Things Ive never seen off road because they cost 2 much........sasquatch bronco, raptor 37 package, ram trx, new land rover defender, wrangler 392, trd pro Tacoma......we will add this 2 the list.....these people go maybe 2 times a year off pavement usually on trails a crossover can handle
Wrangler 392 and TRD pro are both used pretty commonly. Tacoma aren't that high
@@jslayofficial they asking 68k for trd pros in my state lol I can buy a f150 raptor for that price new
@@B86432 where can u buy a raptor new for 68k there 120k where I’m @
@@B86432 yeah if they're asking that for a TRD then no shot you're getting a Raptor at 68k.
@@sonnybunny2305 about 71 in my state 3k at that price is pocket change of a difference when u financing over 5 years
I'll stick with my 2018, I will take better fuel economy over exhaust sound, especially in overland use. Plus the prices dealerships are going to charge you for one will be criminal.
True. You know doesn't seem a lot until you spend the money on it, buy the truck drive it for a couple weeks and then think about what the hell did I just spent 100k on for? I bought a 2017 chevy Silverado 3500 but at least I get to use it for what is was intended for. These 1500s are a waste of money.
The V6 and V8 Raptors were made to different markets/customers.
The average V6 Raptor driver can pretty much accomplish anything off road that the new V8 Raptor can do. Most the time you won't be comparing your V6 up against the V8 or a TRX So beyond the bragging rights of owning the V8, im not sure the justification to drop easily $130,000 + if not way more from dealerships, depending on which state you purchase one from seems a tad bit asinine. Let's not forget its existence was forced based purely on the birth of the TRX. Ford never wanted to go this route.
Side note the artist who came up with that side graphic needs to be fired. It looks Flintstone. Yabba Dabba Doo.
@@davidhobbs5807 Different engines, different customers… V6 buyers prioritize fuel efficiency over hp and V8 buyers prioritize hp over fuel efficiency…
have fun with your prius
Ask him the real tough question, “Why are they only doing a limited run with this truck, when number 1 it was built as an answer to the TRX, and number 2 enthusiast have been screaming their asses off for a V8 Rapter since it’s demise after the first generation SVT Raptor.” It is completely unfair that the only people that are going to be able to afford this truck our a bunch of rich ass baby boomers Who probably will not take this truck out to the desert and turn around and resell it later. It’s infuriating that some of us have been waiting for a V8 raptor to make it’s reappearance only for it to have a limited run so dealers can get limited allocations and Jack the mark up’s to nearly double the cost of the truck… I’m a huge Ford fan boy, but all the moves they are making with their performance products are purely disappointing.
But is free market. Maybe later they will make longer runs adn more people can get it for less cash
Can’t wait to see this thing at Safeway
I fell asleep after 15 seconds and the last add woke me up cause it was too loud
Great video Andre! That exhaust note is YESSSSS! 'MERICA!! Is it me or was neither Ford engineer too excited about their product?
No I was thinking the same, it’s like “ a small group of ford folks” forced them
Into this direction. They should have forced it to have like 710 HP but I think they dropped the ball on the bragging rights
I think people need to step back and think about who Andre was talking to. These are engineering people, not used car salesmen. They speak in numbers and metrics, not gee-wiz stuff and they don't typically get excited or out of control.
@@kinsmen1764 all this fuss over every last rated horsepower is silly. Who cares if it's 700 or 710 I mean come on. The only reason it's making 700 is because rpm was lowered to 7k and they optimized the power curve for truck usage. It has a better power to weight ratio than the trx and it will murder it in an actual offroad racing environment (what it was actually built for). This thing has potential to make some crazy power if one wants if people can actually tune them. May require a stand alone if they aren't tunable which would suck.
My 2106 C7 had these same mode configuration abilities. Glad to see the Raptor is finally getting basic performance options 6 years later and at a cost of over 100k...
Ford has been putting modes in the truck since 2010?
@@zachdavis5394 Yes, but not to this level of configuration. The mode was locked to a standard config, could not change things like exhaust mode / wheel mode within each mode. The ability to mix and match. That's what I'm referring to.
$110k is too much. I was prepared to spend up to $90k but I’ll just buy a Gen 1 instead.
Now this isn’t Ford’s fault. I’ve been busy and not keeping up with any reporting about price. I just did not expect a >$100k price tag. My wife would slaughter me
You currently can't buy a V-6 for $90K unless you can if you can find a dealer selling at MSRP. 90% are not. People are paying $10K - $30K over MSRP for V-6 Raptors right now.
@@Tonyr0206 yes here in Cali 37 package is $120k
@@Tonyr0206 then I deluded myself. But on the bright side I’ll be able to walk into a dealer and buy a 2014 with cash, which will be a feeling I’ve wanted since I was a teenager.
You can literally get a Gen 1, throw a supercharger in it AND a long travel suspension front and rear and you’ll be able to slaughter gen 2’s, gen 3’s and trx’s all day in the DIRT. On pavement is another story
@@raulgallardo5140 I’m buying a 2014 with 50k miles for $38k as soon as I get back in the states.
I won’t have a new raptor but I’ll have a raptor and a v8
I like that the FORD representatives are not high on their horse sort of speak they are Honest/ Humble .I would expect them to be more of a ( salesman attitude) but they tell it like it is like when he said"645 horse power he didnt say oh its 700 hp 👍☺
Yes they are down to earth cool people and love to talk about Ford performance products. I hung out with the Ford Raptor race team at Parker races back in 2017., at their rented house, at a local desert bar for beers and the race track. They were all normal dudes with a passion for performance trucks and enjoyed answering all questions. That little adventure got me by while I endured my 8 month wait on Raptor delivery :)
Cant wait to see one covered in American flag and skull stickers!
Lol
Glad they are coming back with that light gray color too
Yea with that light gray color it will look like an auto part delivery truck
Nice. Now FoMoCo should use the 2.3 liter high performance EcoBoost package in the Ranger. No big changes, just tweaking and tuning for a 330 hp engine.
Um no lol.
I would love that interior on the regular Raptor.
Thanks for the video Andre. I do enjoy your content on TFL. It’s clear that Ford instructed you not to compare to the TRX in this video, but I can’t help but to think that once Ram puts 37s on the TRX then they will sell a ton of trucks. The Raptor R will only be produced in limited numbers at a high MSRP plus dealer mark up and will push many more potential buyers to the Ram.
People really only buy the ram for the v8. Nothing else really. Off road, where the trucks are supposed to be, raptor takes the cake in almost all categories
@@tony_tiger3405 : Lets be real, how many of these trucks are even taken off-road? Most people don't live anywhere near a desert where they could go out & run them at high speed. Both trucks are too big & wide for many other trails/off-roading. If anyone would be likely to go off-roading it's Jeep Wrangler owners & even Jeep says that only 10% - 15% of Wrangler owners ever go off-road. The majority of 4WD vehicles are nothing but pavement princesses.
Wow, what a phenomenal piece of engineering and as a Bears fan an even better color scheme!
I like it, but I don’t see any reason to give up my bulletproof Gen 1 Raptor. Sure, the interior is boring, but I still love everything about it.
Sometimes I regret trading my Gen 1 for the Gen 2…. Ford is about to lose one loyal Raptor customer, not because of the price, but for not cracking down on dealer mark ups, and dealer hoarding allocations. @ford
Good to see a real engine under the hood.
7.3 should have been under the hood
@@nojoke327 do not disagree. Maybe it was too heavy?
At one time I heard of a 6.8L variant of the 7.3L. I would like to see an all aluminum version of the 6.8L to take the place or add to the line up of the F series or mustang. Wishful thinking I suppose.
Next is a Ford Taurus sho x. 850hp 650 ftlbs.
That dark blue dose it no justice at all.
I was lucky to reserve mine. Can’t wait. No more Tremor
Looks like the reporting over the last year was true, Ford had a hard time mating their truck to the Predator engine. Ford literally seems to be sad about their product. Almost like they didn't want to make it, but they "had" to because the TRX exists. RAM got to design a truck around their engine from scratch, and Ford got caught with their pants down when the TRX was unveiled. The Ford engine engineer in this video didn't offer ANY enthusiasm at all...Andre had drag information out of him. Andre: "Tell me about this beast" to "So...there is the dipstick?....Ford: Yea...that's the dipstick" LMAO!!
I have a 2021 TRX and don't think I would trade is straight up for the Raptor R. This might be the latest truck to be released, but they did not beat out RAM with this truck. I paid 78k for my TRX and the Raptor R starts at 109k. I don't see the 40k+ (without mark ups) value in any way. And to all of those saying, this truck is 400 pounds lighter, so it will be faster...lets see what the track times look like with 37 inch tires and less hp and torque. Also, just because it says 700 hp on the sheet now, doesn't mean that its 100% accurate yet. This truck has yet to be released and there has been talk for a year that they had problems above 650hp which is why it took so long to release this thing. A leaked engineer quote already has this at 690hp...not 700. Its still not a lot, but Ford gave up and released what they had. This truck is not superior to the TRX in any way and is clear they did not want to spend any additional time trying to one up it anymore.
I owned a 2014 Gen 1 and a 2018 Gen 2. The whole time I had my gen 2, I really missed the V8. I loved my raptors...until...I watched that TRX reveal live stream. They were so enthusiastic and they were excited to show the customer what they made. RAM was full of info like stats/specs/engineering data and you could hear they absolutely LOVED how the TRX came out. I was amazed watching that stream from start to finish. I saw that truck and knew I needed to have one. (also, people saying the TRX is Fiat are just Raptor fanboys, TRX is SRT. Just like the original Raptor was SVT.) This release of the Raptor R is almost like..."Shhhhhhh....we don't really want to draw attention to this." Its like they know this truck is a novelty Raptor and don't want it out there for people to be talking about. They also talk about very few will be made and no production numbers are available? Come on Ford...the release of your truck makes it look like your dog died. Personally, I'm disappointed.
Wow! You extracted all that info just by watching the the Ford rep? That's extraordinary! This Raptor fan boy calls BS!
@@richardmodglin3900 Its your money, spend it on whatever you want. There is no BS in my post, just personal opinions from my own experiences, some reported figures from multiple outlets and correcting misinformation like the TRX being a Fiat. The TRX Hellcat engine is SRT/MOPAR. I was just making observations and sharing my experience with owning both products.
@@jerrybeech4422 i don’t know boss, you spitting facts, wanted to said the same but you already did. So yeah 👌🏽
"This truck is not superior to the TRX in any way."
Your opinions can be bullshit too. It's obvious that you're just going into denile trying to convince yourself that the Raptor is garbage. How about checking out the channel where the Raptor V6 beats the TRX around the track by 7 seconds. Gee.....I wonder what the R version will beat it by?
@@richardmodglin3900 Why so mad bro? Life is good…sit back and enjoy it a little. Its not a big surprise that people are going to have different opinions to mine. There’s no reason to get all balled up about it. Chill
It's nice, but that price!!! I'll pass and keep the v6 model.
20:50 "A very challenging work environment.............." yet some will still argue that no one is trying to limit/take away our FREE CHOICE. Ya, sell that line of nonsense elsewhere. Glad to see some are still making these types of engines.
Did anyone else think he was about to quote 21 savage’s knife talk verse at 24:44 ? 😂
Outstanding video! I always come to ya guys for the new intel.
shame they don't do that one in right hand drive for the uk market, we only get the baby version with a 3 litre V6 which is still pretty cool but this thing is a beast...
Let the race begin Rr vs Trx
What timing ! Only the rich can afford this truck ! I’ve owned and own a second gen raptor I would love to buy the new raptor r but can’t ! The mark up is crazy ! So sad 😞 I’m a true and loyal ford buyer
Same. I ordered a first gen with the 6.2 and still own it. Great truck. But this pricing is insane. I would have been calling my dealer to place an order if they had kept it to within a couple thousand of the TRX.
Expect the prices to keep going up. At this rate a Porsche will be cheap
It will become wven more expensive with mark ups
Ditto.. I'm lucky to own my 2020. Purchased before crazy bullshit COVID shortages. They had 20 Raptors on the lot and probably 150+ F150s selling for under sticker. Sounds like those days are long gone.
I know it's a frivolous thing, but I am amazed at how much more aesthetically pleasing the SC V8 is to look at compared to the twin-turbo V6. The V8 looks very sorted, and the V6 seems a bit schizophrenic 😁
The truck is identical physically to the v6....🤨
Great stuff Andrea. Really your discussion with the ford engineer. Now I need to go find a second job so I can buy one. Haha
Limited availability and dealership Added Dealer Markups (ADMs) will make this truck next to impossible to obtain. Its already bad enough for the current Raptor! Would be nice if the gang at TFL can talk to Ford if they plan to do anything about the ADMs that can kill off great vehicles! Dealerships already adding $50k+ to order a Raptor R!
Mark ups will kill any potential sales
@@robertryan7204 at the current price the raptor is DOA. This truck will see sales of just 1000’s not hundred’s of thousands. That’s too bad..
Dang it z!!! All this time I’ve been waiting for this baby . Now it’s out of my price range
supercharged v8 wow. really nice in Colorado.
Delete the stickers, I'll apply my own splash graphics and pinstriping
These are going to be highly allocated, dealers will not be able to order as many as they want. So due to the rareness, they will be bringing way over MSRP to the few that can buy one. Preorders are most likely have already filled up most of the original allocations. Dealerships are not nonprofit organizations, and I would bet that if those that are complaining about mark ups owned a dealership, you would be doing the same thing. Supply and demand. It is a great option for the few.
Love the deep dive. Thank you
Looks amazing,37 package base even better......thank you ford!!!!!😎
The fact that they had to make a special edition above the Raptor to compete with the TRX is hilarious.
Its actually genius, lets sell tons of v6 raptors then sell tons of v8 raptors. Pretty good buisness decision 👌 . Maybe next is a 7.3 supercharged version to sell more raptors! Nothing wrong with variety and choice . Maybe thats why the f150 is the best selling vehicle in the world
The aluminum block is the only issue I see with this motor in a truck after a few years of truck use! Should have been iron cheaper and stronger especially since ppl that get this truck will drive them hard turn the boost up want to tow with it and carry a load of ply or cinderblocks that motor will be over stressed over time that's why the old 6.2 was a iron block it's a truck motor designed for truck use and longevity... even ram and gm are smart enough to use iron block motors... only time will tell
Iron too heavy
@@eche1492 an extra 200 or 300lbs wont make a difference.. especially when it comes to longevity and doing truck things
@@gopaulsalick507 lol. I can tell you have never designed anything. 200 lbs makes a huge difference. The suspension tuning and weight distribution is greatly effected.
@@BrianBourgeois- so you telling me having a thick chick or a normal sized man in the passenger seat of a truck makes a big difference... guess you never drove a truck with a passenger/s in it
@@gopaulsalick507 yes it does make a difference
I bleed blue but ford is so out of touch with what people want. It becoming increasingly hard to stick with them
Hey guys can you do a podcast on the brand new manual cars you can still buy today? Thanks!
Nice truck
Anyone notice that the alternator is really low on the engine.
Not a big deal but looks like a pain to change and if you like to go through deep mud it makes vulnerable.
I've lost a few alternators from mud and water . Trail fix
Also look at the horizontal oil filter.
That's going to make a mess or hopefully it drains all the way out
Ford is always playing it safe. They should have blew Ram out the water. After all their charger and challenger kicked the gt500 ass with all the variations of the hellcat motor. I love Ford and I wish for once they get some balls.
How did the charger and challenger kick the gt500’s ass? Lol
Man xlt is unattainable with its outrageous price. Let alone this raptor. It's disgusting the prices of trucks now.
8:21 hell yeah doesn’t sound like a gd lawn mower with supper 44
59 miles to empty at almost half a tank 😬 means it’s really fun to drive
Yes I just seen that there’s no way that’s right impossible so a full tank only gets you 130
@@sonnybunny2305 geez that’d be crazy though
Probably a smaller tank just for demos
@@blickedxb No I don’t think so it was either malfunctioning or because it wasn’t started there’s no way they’ll have to put the full-size tank 36 gallons for the demo
Awesome truck, just not a huge fan of them getting rid of the front torsen, and you can only engage rear locker in 4wd, can't do it in 2wd. Previous raptors you had the torsen and in my 2019, you can engage rear locker in 2wd.
Ford produces an amazing vehicle but boy do they need to work on marketing I’m a salesman and profession and I’m sure this guy has tons of knowledge but he is not a salesman I would love the opportunity to present this truck to the world
Better tell Chuck to launch the Bronco is sport mode w/4A and start in manual mode 2nd gear. Throw it into auto after he launches. He’ll still lose, but he’ll get a better start this way 😊
the graphics look cool it goes with the limited edition numbers of the truck details . 😎👍💪
I dig the truck, just not the one-price, $105k angle.
Makes it seem like they don't want to compete with Ram, head-to-head, in the $75-85k price range.
If someone wants to pay $105k, they'll get there. To start there, just a weird move. It will lower sales, but they'll get a nice profit on each unit. Also something you do when low on cash, which Ford is
At this price, I would get the GMC hummer EV or a well used H1 Alpha
Ford giving the fans what they want awsome! That guy is describing the engine as if was a create motor 😃?
Andre..I. can you find out if we can run E85 on it good sir ? Thanks in advance..... great show.
When adding moon roof tailgate package, it removes remote start and tailgate release. Would it still have remote start?
Ford: our new v6 raptor sounds sick, kinda like a v8 with a trumpet exhaust
Also ford: here is a v8
Its called desperation 😂
Thats because the v6 raptor does sound sick... like it needs to see a doctor.
I love the Raptor R setup!
Now I want that exact truck with a high output Electric ⚡️ motor! 👍🏻
A silent truck? 🥴
BOOOO!
Great Truck, now how about a "Bronco Raptor R V8". :O)
Yes 💯
Damn this is a bad ass engine. I wish Ford did more with the 6.2 though.
Ассаламу алейкум, скажите пожалуйста чем хуже 6.2 спасибо большое
Atleast Ford people can't say how dear the trx is and how much fuel the trx uses now.
😂
how many tfl channels are there?
Nobody seems to mention the fact that Ford did this for competition and not to please the customers lol
And nobody seems to compare to the TRX live with the Ford guys !
We all know why Ford did the R , because of the TRX! Would of been nice to admit that.
And we all know the only reason the TRX exists is because of the Raptor.
Your point?
Not really. Ever since the gen2 came with the V6 back in 2016, people have been begging Ford for a V8 back in the Raptor.
Meanwhile the TRX exists because of the Raptor. People have been asking for a v8 before the TRX even came out anyways.
TRX came out just because FCA saw that ford wasn't giving what people wanted,they just saw the empty market so they took it.
@@rivercitymetaldetecting9854 I’m sure the Raptor engineers were semi inspired by the Power Wagon back in 2005
Vast majority of People want the V8, Not a "small group". Nobody asked for a V6 in a full size truck, nobody.. Mike Sweers should take notes here and fix the Tundra...
Environmentalists asked for less carbon footprint.
@@multicons 😆
Then why does the v6 outsell the v8 by a large volume? A Salesman doesn’t yield that much power over people
@@paulhunter9613 because Ford is manufacturering far more ecoboosts. They limit the V8 production by design to sell more of the cheap ecoboost V6 Garbage. Toyota isn't even offering the V8 now for this reason.
@@paulhunter9613 Because there are more V6's than V8's available.
so ford engineers a month ago said they were not getting more than 650hp with this application. which tells me this thing is making 650 to 675 crank hp and ford is stretching that number to 700hp. If it made 700hp they wouldve tuned it for an extr 3 to 10hp just to beat the trx hp number. Hp dyno numbers are a tool and there is so much more to it. but like how a lighter 750hp shelby f150 roush f150 etc etc gets beat by a way heavier trx. The numbers game looks bad knowing qhat the engineers said. for a truck starting at over 100k this thing has to perform. This is sad knowing after market companies like midnight performance can make up to 1200whp and have loads of them running 8s and 9s in the 1/4 with stock sealed coyote v8s makes me see again its just ford being ford. being 2 years behind the trx they needed to not just beat but decimate the trx since this is fords game. They shouldve made a street and baja version. street would be the appeal for the ppl that will never offroad a raptor and want speed. 80% of ppl buying these will never go offroad so street version wouldve been cool.
Sounds like you should be the CEO for Ford because your so brilliant!…….
I wish they would a supercharged either the Godzilla motor or the old 6.2 and put some development dollars in that
A fully loaded Raptor with 37” is 83k. Is a V8 with minor other changes worth 109, 26k more? Hell yeah it is m
Funny.😄 So many of you guys arguing that 0-60 times don’t matter, since this is an “OFF ROAD TRUCK”.😄 99% of use will be ON ROAD. Doesn’t look like anyone driving to work with a Ram TRX has anything to worry about if a RaptoR pulls up.😆
Maybe we going back to the old days where product numbers are under inflated to keep the competition on its toes? 🤷♂️
Raptor R is a stunning peice of engineering + extremely versatile on road of road factory built super truck now with a halo hand built engine strapped into a high pedigree Baja successful runner. It is the far superior truck than the hap hazardly slapped together trx.
I wonder if these HP ratings are at the crank or to the wheel.
Definitely the crank.
Auto makers never rate wheel power
At the piston
I just got my Raptor R quote back from my dealer! 100k over msrp….. is this truck worth 215k???
Ouch!
What will these be selling for on the used market in 7 years?
80k
Maybe 20k
But why didn’t they make more power than the TRX?
Idk maybe they didn’t want to much power. 700 is a lot that’s more than the corvette z06 with 670. Plus it’s lighter than the trx by a 1,000 pounds. Which is a huge advantage.
The engineer tells you why they stayed at that number.
@@spongebobsquarepants11 but this game is all about marketing. There isn’t another number that is advertised more than engine horsepower.
4:10 Just say it; you weren't gonna do
it until the TRX basically forced you to. 😅
Just realize the trx is a twinkle in some guys eye before ford had the balls to make an offroad performance truck with the first gen raptor how long did it take ram to compete with that vs how long did it take ford to compete with the trx
Hello, where can i contact you about the product sponsorship?
Is it available in France? And is manuel gearbox available
you'll never find a manual transmission in a new age American truck
Ford built a truck for jay leno and RUclips, most ford fans will never have the opportunity to buy one, this truck is unattainable for a blue collar worker, not to mention it starts at least 30k higher then a TRX without any ADM’s. what competition?
Did I see it right: half tank and 59 mi to empty?
Now only if Yota will stuff a v8 in the new pro 😉