It would be interesting to see the effect of insulating those comms contacts on the HP+ battery pack to see what effect communication + different cells has on performance.
Thanks for revisiting this. I bought my p262 in February and do my own work outside so hadn't really used it. I had buyers remorse after your first video but I own the gen 1 and loved it. I use a 4ah HP battery and havent had any issues. Im happy with the tool and feel I got more than i paid for. I was looking at the kobalt xtr and ridgid but already own ryobi batteries. The gen 1 with a HP battery did almost everything I asked of it. the p262 is capable of light truck and car repair for me.
i love my ryobi p262.. for a budget minded impact gun.. highly recommend.. i am a diy guy not a professional using in a commercial environment.. but let me tell you this is awesome.. sure beat dragging out 100 ft of air hose to use my air gun.. i already had other ryobi cordless batteries for my other tools so this was also a huge part of why i go this.. super happy with it.. and was impressed with the torque it has..
Awesome work as usual! Thanks for giving the p262 what i consider to be a more fair shake. I had already grabbed a few p195 batteries when they went on sale for $50 at home depot. So i already knew i would be pairing the p262 with a p195. This test confirms my experience with this combo. It performs very well, and is an excellent value imo. Compared to other brands ryobi batteries can be found for very good prices especially on sale. This is a great channel, that you guys are responsive to viewers and comments, is a great bonus. You're putting consistent and very helpful data out there, excellent content! Really allows an accurate comparison between tools / brands and how they can be expected to perform.
im lookin for the same ryobi 18v one+ hp 4 mode high torque 1/2in impact wrench bc its advertise at 1200ft lbs on home depot rn..i hv milwaukee m18 and it didnt performed to removed a crankshaft pulley bolt from my k20a3 thats been winter welded for 5yrs atleast
Same. I recently bought 2 non-HP 4Ah batteries for $89 so I'm trying to stay in the ecosystem if possible. The P262 is $99 right now and seems like a good deal for what I need it for.
The TTC is becoming one of my favorite channels. To the point, very informative, non-biased entertaining content. Not sure where you guys come up with all the little funny comments but its great! A point I took away from this video is a tool may only be as good as its battery. Will you guys be building another test rig in the future to test 1/4" electric ratchets? Obviously they are not built for high torque so maybe you will need to come up with other test parameters. Speed, weight, size, battery life etc.
people can complain all they want but this looks like a great option for people that are already invested in the ryobi line. i find it interesting that the performance of the impact is so dependent on the feedback it sends to the HP battery.
The reason why is the dewalt protection circuit is on the tool so the battery will over discharge and could discharge it to where you can not charge or use the battery any more.
This should not really matter. None of these tools are treating the battery that differently. keep in mind there is still protection on Dewalt batteries but they are simple absolute max/min limits. Tools may have smart features so they do not do excessive damage to the battery like 30A for 5s, 20A for 10s, 15 continuous. To sell a lipo battery without basic protections would be a serious problem.
@@Ender_Wiggin the tool talking to the battery to protect both the battery and the tools circuitry isn’t basic protection though. Basic protection can be as simple as overcharging protection.
@@trevorlynch6549 it's almost impossible to discharge a dewalt battery using and adapter I tried it on video and drained the battery right to the point it was ready to melt down and it still came back to life. It will never happen because the tool will stop working before the battery gets to that point.
Don’t believe that, dewalt 18v tools don’t have protection in the tool. You can’t over discharge the batteries them in dewalt tools, I use 4amp 5 amp and fex volt 6 amp and 9 amp. I’ve dogged the crap out of them batteries the only issue I had was a 4amp battery melted around the main battery positive. Battery remained functional for another 2 years at which point the 3 4amps I’d got in a kit all started to loose there amp output, works fine in the radio but if you put it in a circular saw or grinder very quick gives up.
Just finished the video and wow! I would not have thought to see the DeWalt battery beat the HP pack. I believe DeWalt uses Samsung cells while the Ryobi uses a few different cells including LG. I think I'm going to pull the trigger on this new Ryobi brushless impact! Thanks again for the knowledge and great video.
Great test and good to see some more affordable units doing well 👍, but when it comes to actually working with the tool I feel the size of the milwaukee is vastly underrated
Picked this impact up a couple of weeks ago to do suspension work on my Camry with, got it for 199 with 3 (2Ah, 4Ah and 6Ah) "High performance" aka gen 3 batteries and a charger. It has made easy work of any of the bolts or nuts I've used it on, including the rear subframe and the struts. I've been impressed with it so far. If you ever get the 6Ah high performance battery I'd like to see an update with this wrench using it and the 9Ah you got for the High Torque model.
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
This is probably the best test to show power differences in battery’s. Now I wanna know how the p195 compares to ryobi’s largest battery’s like the 9ah that has 18650’s in it
You can get a P195 right now from Home Depot for $49. If it comes up as $79 and your home store doesn’t show stock, click on the “Check nearby stores” option under the pickup in store box and switch the store you’re shopping from to one of the others listed. Keep trying them and eventually you’ll find one that changes the price for the battery to $49. That’s a steal for this performance! Just bought one myself.
It probably wouldn’t make much of a difference. They covered in another video that bigger isn’t much better in impacts because the motor isn’t directly doing the work it’s only helping the anvil overcome the springs. Basically the tool can’t recognize that it needs to put out more juice because it’s still impacting the anvil and overcoming those springs, vs like if you’re using a circular saw it can recognize that the blade isn’t moving through the material as fast.
@@danieljensen1465 The output was doubled from 150ftlb to 300ftlb at 2 seconds in from a battery alone.. Less voltage drop = more power I run a 12v offbrand impact at 18v to take 140ftlb lugs off my dually. 12v to 18v being a dramatic change in performance.
i have this tool, and it has been great. Works on lugs. I also have ryobi’s newer high torque, use it with 4ah HP battery and that thing is a champ. For $200.
All the battery test and information are some of the must watch when looking into a battery platform. Also @VCG has some great battery info for the Milwaukee M18 platform. Keep up the great videos. We appreciate all your hard work top make great content
For a budget tool, ryobi is bringing the heat! Only reason to consider the Milwaukee is size, which for mechanic is a serious concern..but for the money how important is that 🤔
Do another test with the P262 using the 6 and 9 amp hour packs!!!! I got 2,4 and 6 amp hour batteries with a charger and a cheap bag with the tool for $194 plus tax back in July. Money well spent.
Just remember the protection for Dewalt is on the tool, not the battery pack. So you can seriously do some damage using that adapter in the real world. (Of course, nobody should. But it could happen ofc.)
@@brynnond.6952 this is incorrect ryobi has it in the battery packs, pretty sure the HP tools have it in the tool. This is why you can use NiCd Ryobi tools with lithium batteries. There are two big mosfets in the back of every ryobi battery pack with heat sink.
My co worker is bragging about his brand new brushed Dewalt tools!🤪 He even went so far as to buy the cheapest knock off Dewalt batteries he could find!!!! There is actualy a side by side review on the Dewalt knock off batteries here somewhere! Why sacrifice any performance at about a 20 dollar savings. Reminder, he bought the Dewalt tools this year and they are brushed tools!!!!
Just got one for free with a charger bag and 3 battery kit for $199 going to get the same deal with the extended reach ratchet this tax free weekend in MA.
Currently you can get this Ryobi P262, and 3 High Output batteries (2,4 and 6 Amp) for $199. It's a no brainer to buy the Ryobi. Besides this tool, Ryobi has the only cordless hot glue gun as well as a top performing 18 ga brad nailer. Otherwise their tools are below average performing but above average value. I like the current Flex tools and would like to see the Flex impact tested as well with their "stacked" and stander lithium batteries as well.
I have the 3Ah HP batteries, which still great when fully charged after 4yrs. I do expect to need to rebuild them soon, with some new Samsung 21700s. Also have a 1yr old pair 6Ah HP batteries which offer comparable power, but muuuch longer life. I can get the hole engine and trans out of a Simi with a single 6Ah, usually.
Test the Ryobi with a Kobalt 24v Ultimate Output battery! There's some videos out there of Ryobi tools working great on the higher voltage... Would be very interesting to see if it survives your Dyno
So there is one way to get more energy out of these impacts without changing the output hammer. That would be the velocity that the hammer is striking the output. The faster/more powerful the motor than it can bring the velocity of the hammer higher for each strike. The velocity of the motor is directly related to the input voltage. Less voltage sag under load would mean higher output velocity. The voltage will sag when there is a large current draw. Personally, this tells me that Dewalt has great batteries that hold their voltage under load.
Great channel. I noticed a power gain in my impact and drills using the 6Ah Dewalt Flexvolt batteries over the standard 20v 4Ah. Maybe when yall get a chance you can quantify it.
2 ideas--bench test cordless batteries to get the curve of voltage drop vs current. Also what about using a lab type power supply to run cordless tools in your tests? The power supply would be the "perfect" battery that always supplies full current without any voltage drop. It would show how batteries affect performance.
The BMS in ryobi batteries seems to limit output current more than other brands and in dewalt's case there is no current limit at all. Could you test these different batts on the old P261?
Love the updated tets! Kinda hoped you'd used the new 4ah PBP004 not the old P192 from a few years ago. Still a great test though! Maybe a round 3 down the line?
PBP004 wasn't available for sale really anywhere when collecting these. Plus all it advertises is a better brain and communication, which as we saw with the blind XC5.0 doing just as well is not the bottle neck here we feel.
Since you are a dedicated torque test channel. I'd like to see what hand impact drivers like Snap ons PIT160 Snap ons PIT120 Weras 2090 Or lisle or any brand for that matter are capable of. I would imagine it would be hard to create a control driving force but one could tighten the nut to 50 ft lbs then apply 10 blows with a 2# brass hammer, 3 sets for an average or blow it until the nut will no longer tighten, expect a workout 😁 In order to be what others can't, you must do what other wont 😉💪
The 'lumpy curves' would appear to me, to be the BMS in the battery pack, trying to adjust the output, to keep voltages/power consistent. It probably needs to see a drop, then respond, thus the 'lumpy' graphs.
Ryobi have 5Ah batteries easily available - these are the go-to for anything I use. You can also get up to a 9Ah battery - I don't know if these up the peak current though, or would just give an extended runtime.
I have a Mac bwp151 and the Milwaukee fuel 2nd gen matches it Milwaukee is the the best cordless brand because it out beats all the $500-$600 cordless impacts
That’s a crazy difference. Haha one day I’ll upgrade from my M12 to M18. So are y’all planning on testing out aftermarket batteries at all? If you are I recommend Waitley. They make a 9.0 for M12 that’s a monster by “feel” lol
What I take away from this video is that I'm definitely buying this impact wrench, I have the DeWalt batteries already, but DeWalt impact wrenches are a bit subpart imo, and for occasional use I'm not worried about any potential durability issues, seeing that these batteries not only work really well, but exceptionally well with an adapter, only makes me happy :)
@@Gadgetmawombo A bit late for this reply, like a yr. late. I was just at home depot yesterday and they were selling the p262 for $169. That was just fornthe the tool. I guess the inflation mark up hit the tools too..
It's really a shame Ryobi doesn't make it more clear about the batteries (granted they made so even the old ni-cads could still work in that thing which that might be fun to try just to see how it would preform with one of those old things), also Ryobi really needs to make more packs with 21700's >.> really wish they made the 6ah and 9ah with them but ah well. Overall when myp261 stops getting the job done I'll gladly pickup a p262.
So based on the comparison test: P195 sure is the clear winner; however, the P197 (Dirty 4.0Ah Standard) even though jump everywhere, it seems able to reach higher torque (300 & 400 ft-Lb) in less time and still out perform the P192 (Good? 4.0Ah HP) at the very end (P197: 426 ft-Lb vs P192: 414 ft-Lb). My understanding is that though not rated as HP, the newer P197 is using the Sony 21700 cells and at 40% less cost I rather have the P197 that is able to reach higher torque in shorter time and still out perform the 40% more expansive HP P192 battery.
Ree oh bi lol. But yeah as others have mentioned the dewalt has no protection or current limit inside the battery and it is a 20v pack so I believe it has an additional 18650 in series with the rest giving the tool higher voltage.
Ryobi batteries have the mosfets in them making the brains of the tool in the battery. The HP batteries just either just allow more current or go in bypass mode.
Milwaukee has plenty of kits out there that have the "wrong"/old batteries in them, or worse: old versions of the tool... Their 3Ah High Output battery is very sweet though.
I have been curious how different tools would respond to different battery brands. Perhaps a new series on trying different mashups n comparing them to their previous test score
Maybe I am missing something but you ran an 18V tool off a 20V battery, which if the tools power draw is regulated via amps would result in more torque for a given amperage. I'd assume that the tool has some sort of voltage regulator to account for depleted cell's having a lower voltage but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't.
Even if it does have a better battery its gotta hold up im in the middle of right now changing brands ive broken 3 ryobi tools in the last month not happy
And its still a Ryobi, just a lot heavier. Great suggestion, now try that in real life.... I kept my old Ryobi impact wrench, even with a new 5ah battery its just not good in real life usage, not always powerful enough, it hammers away and not much happens. On my little Makita however, i can use a small lightweight 2.5ah battery and always got enough torque available, lighter tool and lighter battery that is always much better for real life work, light with great power and few but perfect modes. You cannot benchmark real life productivity.
@@pflaffik the original P261 impact was never in the running for lug nut removal or in a mechanics tool box. It was clearly a lightweight unit, but for driving fasteners on a building site like large or long lag bolts, you can’t beat it. I’ve got all 3 generations of this tool, depends on what you are doing to decide which one you need to use.
I wouldn't use an adapter on Ryobi tools, Ryobi batteries have a BMS in them to protect from short circuit, over current, under voltage protection. Others may not (eg Dewalt)
probably a tad better if i had to guess. I bought the p262 with the 6ah and i love it and the battery life for working on my jeep. As a diesel mechanic i have yet to find anything that takes longer than 3 seconds to zip off too.
Have you considered testing torque stick accuracy through electric vs air impacts? I've always heard that they shouldn't be used on an electric impact.
Which ryobi to dewalt battery adapter did you use? I just bought the ryobi P262 and have the dewalt 20V XR batteries so this is perfect! Thank you so much
Oh! So the Ryobi is modulating power based on internal resistance (IR) of the battery! When the curve jumps, it's gotta be because the tool figures out the battery has low enough internal resistance to safely handle the higher amp draw. It must initially assume a weak battery, and adjust.
Would be interested to see how the P262 performs with a PBP004 since that is the "HP" battery that will be available going forward and the P192 and P195 are both discontinued
I be positively surprised if the Ryobi can open a semi truck lugnut, my Ryobi cant even open 14mm ones, so... That wouldnt be so bad if my much smaller Makita had any problem with 14mm lugnuts, but the Makita doesnt even hesitate, even when using less than fully charged 2.5ah standard battery. Anyway, hope youll find a realistic scenario to test those truck lugnuts, to simulate something that been sitting a few years or tightened by means of a long extension after a roadside repair.
Both being TTI products, I wonder what is different internally? How long will the Ryobi make that power vs Milwaukee? A smoke-out test could be cool. X number of seconds at full load until one gives out.
Oh God lmao I heard about that from workshop addict like 2 months ago I think although it might have been in an official ryobi tool release but either way my home depot is showing signs that they are since they discontinued the old HP batteries bigger than 6 AH
I'd really like to see the m18 with the 6.0 XC high output battery against the ryobi. If you give one the best battery available then do it for both. Actually make a video with all the tools on the list with the best battery available, at least for max torque test. Then you'll know what is best case scenario, and the absolute most you can get out of the tool.
We already have a video with the M18 and every HO battery. The Ryobi is using a 3ah battery here, equivalent to the CP3.0 - which we found makes the same as an XC5.0. So it's as even as it gets between brands
They did a test like that on their first test review. They used a 4ah battery that was supposed to be HP and didn't have those extra teminals. It showed that the tool kind of had its own mind so to speak. It fluctuated on torque. Sometimes putting out less and sometimes more.
I know it would never happen but how nice would it be if they could all pick one style of battery so they would be interchangeable? I think that's a big mistake harbor freight made with their bauer and hercules using a very similar but not interchangeable battery.
Hello, I just purchased the 4amp high performance. Wondering which Ryobi uses the 21700 besides the 3amp? I can't find any literature confirming which cells are used in the batteries.
I'd be curious if smart adapters will ever exist, where the tool can talk to the battery. I'm not sure how simple or complex the talking is, or if it's consistent or proprietary between brands, but it shouldn't be all that difficult to make one brand's tool talk to another brand's battery, right? At most it'd just need some sleuthing to understand what is actually being communicated, and if each system is proprietary, using a processor to translate brand A to brand B. Smart adapters could be a total game changer if one battery platform is superior when it can't communicate with the tool.
Is putting the Dewalt 20v battery on a tool designed for 18v, a fair test? Due to electrical power being proportional to voltage-squared, then that's a potential 23% boost, by using the higher voltage rating.
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It would be interesting to see the effect of insulating those comms contacts on the HP+ battery pack to see what effect communication + different cells has on performance.
Very awesome of you to go back and revisit this! Ryobi is to blame for this not being more clear to buyers...
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Thanks for revisiting this. I bought my p262 in February and do my own work outside so hadn't really used it. I had buyers remorse after your first video but I own the gen 1 and loved it. I use a 4ah HP battery and havent had any issues. Im happy with the tool and feel I got more than i paid for. I was looking at the kobalt xtr and ridgid but already own ryobi batteries. The gen 1 with a HP battery did almost everything I asked of it. the p262 is capable of light truck and car repair for me.
i love my ryobi p262.. for a budget minded impact gun.. highly recommend.. i am a diy guy not a professional using in a commercial environment.. but let me tell you this is awesome.. sure beat dragging out 100 ft of air hose to use my air gun.. i already had other ryobi cordless batteries for my other tools so this was also a huge part of why i go this.. super happy with it.. and was impressed with the torque it has..
Awesome work as usual! Thanks for giving the p262 what i consider to be a more fair shake. I had already grabbed a few p195 batteries when they went on sale for $50 at home depot. So i already knew i would be pairing the p262 with a p195. This test confirms my experience with this combo. It performs very well, and is an excellent value imo. Compared to other brands ryobi batteries can be found for very good prices especially on sale. This is a great channel, that you guys are responsive to viewers and comments, is a great bonus. You're putting consistent and very helpful data out there, excellent content! Really allows an accurate comparison between tools / brands and how they can be expected to perform.
im lookin for the same ryobi 18v one+ hp 4 mode high torque 1/2in impact wrench bc its advertise at 1200ft lbs on home depot rn..i hv milwaukee m18 and it didnt performed to removed a crankshaft pulley bolt from my k20a3 thats been winter welded for 5yrs atleast
Same. I recently bought 2 non-HP 4Ah batteries for $89 so I'm trying to stay in the ecosystem if possible. The P262 is $99 right now and seems like a good deal for what I need it for.
The TTC is becoming one of my favorite channels. To the point, very informative, non-biased entertaining content. Not sure where you guys come up with all the little funny comments but its great! A point I took away from this video is a tool may only be as good as its battery. Will you guys be building another test rig in the future to test 1/4" electric ratchets? Obviously they are not built for high torque so maybe you will need to come up with other test parameters. Speed, weight, size, battery life etc.
people can complain all they want but this looks like a great option for people that are already invested in the ryobi line. i find it interesting that the performance of the impact is so dependent on the feedback it sends to the HP battery.
The reason why is the dewalt protection circuit is on the tool so the battery will over discharge and could discharge it to where you can not charge or use the battery any more.
This should not really matter. None of these tools are treating the battery that differently. keep in mind there is still protection on Dewalt batteries but they are simple absolute max/min limits. Tools may have smart features so they do not do excessive damage to the battery like 30A for 5s, 20A for 10s, 15 continuous. To sell a lipo battery without basic protections would be a serious problem.
@@Ender_Wiggin If you look at reviews on adapters for dewalt batteries there are many that say the batteries were over discharged.
@@Ender_Wiggin the tool talking to the battery to protect both the battery and the tools circuitry isn’t basic protection though. Basic protection can be as simple as overcharging protection.
@@trevorlynch6549 it's almost impossible to discharge a dewalt battery using and adapter I tried it on video and drained the battery right to the point it was ready to melt down and it still came back to life. It will never happen because the tool will stop working before the battery gets to that point.
Don’t believe that, dewalt 18v tools don’t have protection in the tool.
You can’t over discharge the batteries them in dewalt tools, I use 4amp 5 amp and fex volt 6 amp and 9 amp. I’ve dogged the crap out of them batteries the only issue I had was a 4amp battery melted around the main battery positive. Battery remained functional for another 2 years at which point the 3 4amps I’d got in a kit all started to loose there amp output, works fine in the radio but if you put it in a circular saw or grinder very quick gives up.
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You're awesome!!! Been waiting for this!
Just finished the video and wow! I would not have thought to see the DeWalt battery beat the HP pack. I believe DeWalt uses Samsung cells while the Ryobi uses a few different cells including LG. I think I'm going to pull the trigger on this new Ryobi brushless impact! Thanks again for the knowledge and great video.
Great test and good to see some more affordable units doing well 👍, but when it comes to actually working with the tool I feel the size of the milwaukee is vastly underrated
Picked this impact up a couple of weeks ago to do suspension work on my Camry with, got it for 199 with 3 (2Ah, 4Ah and 6Ah) "High performance" aka gen 3 batteries and a charger. It has made easy work of any of the bolts or nuts I've used it on, including the rear subframe and the struts. I've been impressed with it so far. If you ever get the 6Ah high performance battery I'd like to see an update with this wrench using it and the 9Ah you got for the High Torque model.
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
With all the tests you do on the Milwaukee I’m still buying the 2962
This is probably the best test to show power differences in battery’s. Now I wanna know how the p195 compares to ryobi’s largest battery’s like the 9ah that has 18650’s in it
Awesome test , thank you. I love my p262. Greetings from UK
You can get a P195 right now from Home Depot for $49. If it comes up as $79 and your home store doesn’t show stock, click on the “Check nearby stores” option under the pickup in store box and switch the store you’re shopping from to one of the others listed. Keep trying them and eventually you’ll find one that changes the price for the battery to $49. That’s a steal for this performance! Just bought one myself.
I think it would be pretty fun to see if can use the best battery (in your opinion) and try it on the worst impact you have tested.
It probably wouldn’t make much of a difference. They covered in another video that bigger isn’t much better in impacts because the motor isn’t directly doing the work it’s only helping the anvil overcome the springs. Basically the tool can’t recognize that it needs to put out more juice because it’s still impacting the anvil and overcoming those springs, vs like if you’re using a circular saw it can recognize that the blade isn’t moving through the material as fast.
@@danieljensen1465 The output was doubled from 150ftlb to 300ftlb at 2 seconds in from a battery alone.. Less voltage drop = more power
I run a 12v offbrand impact at 18v to take 140ftlb lugs off my dually. 12v to 18v being a dramatic change in performance.
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i have this tool, and it has been great. Works on lugs. I also have ryobi’s newer high torque, use it with 4ah HP battery and that thing is a champ. For $200.
All the battery test and information are some of the must watch when looking into a battery platform. Also @VCG has some great battery info for the Milwaukee M18 platform. Keep up the great videos. We appreciate all your hard work top make great content
For a budget tool, ryobi is bringing the heat! Only reason to consider the Milwaukee is size, which for mechanic is a serious concern..but for the money how important is that 🤔
Just got this impact for 115 bucks on Amazon and already had the 3ah battery so that was a no brainer on this tool
Would love to see a full video on battery adapters. What brands they seem to work well for, which they don't.
I see a lot on ebay but not sure if they work
you can fit DeWalt batteries in to a Milwaukee tool with very minimal modifications to the DeWalt battery.
Do another test with the P262 using the 6 and 9 amp hour packs!!!!
I got 2,4 and 6 amp hour batteries with a charger and a cheap bag with the tool for $194 plus tax back in July. Money well spent.
Just remember the protection for Dewalt is on the tool, not the battery pack. So you can seriously do some damage using that adapter in the real world. (Of course, nobody should. But it could happen ofc.)
Its all for science
Makita, ryobi, and ridgid tools all have protection circuits in them
@@brynnond.6952 this is incorrect ryobi has it in the battery packs, pretty sure the HP tools have it in the tool. This is why you can use NiCd Ryobi tools with lithium batteries. There are two big mosfets in the back of every ryobi battery pack with heat sink.
My co worker is bragging about his brand new brushed Dewalt tools!🤪 He even went so far as to buy the cheapest knock off Dewalt batteries he could find!!!! There is actualy a side by side review on the Dewalt knock off batteries here somewhere! Why sacrifice any performance at about a 20 dollar savings. Reminder, he bought the Dewalt tools this year and they are brushed tools!!!!
Man don't make a comment like this if you don't know if it's true or not because you just made yourself look like a jackass
fantastic video TTC.
I think 160 bucks for this thing is quite a bargain especially seeing it's edging the top brands
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Just got one with a 4ah HP battery for 170
Just got one for free with a charger bag and 3 battery kit for $199 going to get the same deal with the extended reach ratchet this tax free weekend in MA.
Here in Los Angeles CA $219+ plus=$230+
Home Depot now on holiday sale, 4ah HP battery with charger for $159 get P262 impact for free
Currently you can get this Ryobi P262, and 3 High Output batteries (2,4 and 6 Amp) for $199. It's a no brainer to buy the Ryobi. Besides this tool, Ryobi has the only cordless hot glue gun as well as a top performing 18 ga brad nailer. Otherwise their tools are below average performing but above average value. I like the current Flex tools and would like to see the Flex impact tested as well with their "stacked" and stander lithium batteries as well.
I have the 3Ah HP batteries, which still great when fully charged after 4yrs. I do expect to need to rebuild them soon, with some new Samsung 21700s. Also have a 1yr old pair 6Ah HP batteries which offer comparable power, but muuuch longer life. I can get the hole engine and trans out of a Simi with a single 6Ah, usually.
Test the Ryobi with a Kobalt 24v Ultimate Output battery! There's some videos out there of Ryobi tools working great on the higher voltage... Would be very interesting to see if it survives your Dyno
So there is one way to get more energy out of these impacts without changing the output hammer. That would be the velocity that the hammer is striking the output. The faster/more powerful the motor than it can bring the velocity of the hammer higher for each strike. The velocity of the motor is directly related to the input voltage. Less voltage sag under load would mean higher output velocity. The voltage will sag when there is a large current draw. Personally, this tells me that Dewalt has great batteries that hold their voltage under load.
Wow, great video.... Thank you for the update!
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Great channel.
I noticed a power gain in my impact and drills using the 6Ah Dewalt Flexvolt batteries over the standard 20v 4Ah. Maybe when yall get a chance you can quantify it.
2 ideas--bench test cordless batteries to get the curve of voltage drop vs current. Also what about using a lab type power supply to run cordless tools in your tests? The power supply would be the "perfect" battery that always supplies full current without any voltage drop. It would show how batteries affect performance.
The BMS in ryobi batteries seems to limit output current more than other brands and in dewalt's case there is no current limit at all.
Could you test these different batts on the old P261?
Love the updated tets! Kinda hoped you'd used the new 4ah PBP004 not the old P192 from a few years ago. Still a great test though! Maybe a round 3 down the line?
PBP004 wasn't available for sale really anywhere when collecting these. Plus all it advertises is a better brain and communication, which as we saw with the blind XC5.0 doing just as well is not the bottle neck here we feel.
@@TorqueTestChannel That makes sense, either way awesome job man. Easily one of my favorite tool channels out right now!
@@TorqueTestChannel what cells are used in the PBP004?
Since you are a dedicated torque test channel.
I'd like to see what hand impact drivers like
Snap ons PIT160
Snap ons PIT120
Weras 2090
Or lisle or any brand for that matter
are capable of.
I would imagine it would be hard to create a control driving force but one could tighten the nut to 50 ft lbs then apply 10 blows with a 2# brass hammer, 3 sets for an average or blow it until the nut will no longer tighten, expect a workout 😁
In order to be what others can't, you must do what other wont 😉💪
I would take $ figures out the ranking system because those actual sale prices can vary widely or not budge at all depending on the brand.
The 'lumpy curves' would appear to me, to be the BMS in the battery pack, trying to adjust the output, to keep voltages/power consistent. It probably needs to see a drop, then respond, thus the 'lumpy' graphs.
Extremely tempted with the ryobi day deals with 3 batteries for $200. Can't beat it when the only Milwaukee kit is the 3/8 compact for $300
Very interesting results from the adapted batteries!! Will you be testing the Dewalt DCF894 at some point in this group too?
Ryobi have 5Ah batteries easily available - these are the go-to for anything I use. You can also get up to a 9Ah battery - I don't know if these up the peak current though, or would just give an extended runtime.
WOW! That 3 amp hp battery is impressive to say the least. Ryobi should have packaged that impact with 3 hp battery.
I have a Mac bwp151 and the Milwaukee fuel 2nd gen matches it Milwaukee is the the best cordless brand because it out beats all the $500-$600 cordless impacts
That’s a crazy difference. Haha one day I’ll upgrade from my M12 to M18. So are y’all planning on testing out aftermarket batteries at all? If you are I recommend Waitley. They make a 9.0 for M12 that’s a monster by “feel” lol
What I take away from this video is that I'm definitely buying this impact wrench, I have the DeWalt batteries already, but DeWalt impact wrenches are a bit subpart imo, and for occasional use I'm not worried about any potential durability issues, seeing that these batteries not only work really well, but exceptionally well with an adapter, only makes me happy :)
Nvm, I would be buying this tool, if it cost the 160$ everyone says it does, at 220$ on Amazon+ shipping it's not a bargain anymore.
@@piciu256 Home Depot or Ebay will sell it more for around that price.
@@Gadgetmawombo still, shipping to EU breaks the deal.
@@Gadgetmawombo A bit late for this reply, like a yr. late. I was just at home depot yesterday and they were selling the p262 for $169. That was just fornthe the tool. I guess the inflation mark up hit the tools too..
Thanks👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Can you test the Kobalt system? I’m leaning toward Ryobi as a casual user, not a daily pro driver.
It's really a shame Ryobi doesn't make it more clear about the batteries (granted they made so even the old ni-cads could still work in that thing which that might be fun to try just to see how it would preform with one of those old things), also Ryobi really needs to make more packs with 21700's >.> really wish they made the 6ah and 9ah with them but ah well.
Overall when myp261 stops getting the job done I'll gladly pickup a p262.
this awesome i like Ryobi line up for best section
So based on the comparison test: P195 sure is the clear winner; however, the P197 (Dirty 4.0Ah Standard) even though jump everywhere, it seems able to reach higher torque (300 & 400 ft-Lb) in less time and still out perform the P192 (Good? 4.0Ah HP) at the very end (P197: 426 ft-Lb vs P192: 414 ft-Lb). My understanding is that though not rated as HP, the newer P197 is using the Sony 21700 cells and at 40% less cost I rather have the P197 that is able to reach higher torque in shorter time and still out perform the 40% more expansive HP P192 battery.
So good so far!
Big ask to a newish channel, but some thermal imaging and volt/amp draw figures would be nice to see on a 60 second run.
Ree oh bi lol. But yeah as others have mentioned the dewalt has no protection or current limit inside the battery and it is a 20v pack so I believe it has an additional 18650 in series with the rest giving the tool higher voltage.
Good point on the protection. But 20V max is same as 18V nominal, these are all 18V packs with DeWalt marketing sprinkled on theirs.
Ryobi batteries have the mosfets in them making the brains of the tool in the battery. The HP batteries just either just allow more current or go in bypass mode.
Milwaukee has plenty of kits out there that have the "wrong"/old batteries in them, or worse: old versions of the tool... Their 3Ah High Output battery is very sweet though.
Yeah. They ship they M18 Surge with 2.0ah but they will ship the on surge with CP 3.0s.
Earned a subscriber, quality content. Have you considered doing a snap on 1/2 air impact PT850G
This video is awesome! Great 👍 idea to bring in adapters!
Can you do a test to see if battery charge has an effect on power example 1 bar, 2 bar and so on?
I have been curious how different tools would respond to different battery brands. Perhaps a new series on trying different mashups n comparing them to their previous test score
Okay, I do wish you guys had tested the P262 with the new 6Ah HP 1+, or whatever they call the newer run it all day battery.
Maybe I am missing something but you ran an 18V tool off a 20V battery, which if the tools power draw is regulated via amps would result in more torque for a given amperage. I'd assume that the tool has some sort of voltage regulator to account for depleted cell's having a lower voltage but it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't.
Dewalt 20v max packs are 18v nominal like all the others, its just marketing. So is 12V which is really 10.8V nominal
@@TorqueTestChannel Well their marketing had me fooled so kudos to them I guess. Sticking to Milwaukee either way because I like the color scheme.
Even if it does have a better battery its gotta hold up im in the middle of right now changing brands ive broken 3 ryobi tools in the last month not happy
“Ask me why I’ve got all Milwaukee now and my brother in law got my Ryobi stuff.”
#11.
If you want to see real power from ryobi tools, use the
9 ahHP battery pack.
sure but that also would be unwieldly
@@aaronporter2180 it's not horrible I have 6s and 9s battery weight and size aren't that big an issue
I would like to see a "Big battery" show down. Keep up the great vids!!
And its still a Ryobi, just a lot heavier. Great suggestion, now try that in real life.... I kept my old Ryobi impact wrench, even with a new 5ah battery its just not good in real life usage, not always powerful enough, it hammers away and not much happens. On my little Makita however, i can use a small lightweight 2.5ah battery and always got enough torque available, lighter tool and lighter battery that is always much better for real life work, light with great power and few but perfect modes. You cannot benchmark real life productivity.
@@pflaffik the original P261 impact was never in the running for lug nut removal or in a mechanics tool box. It was clearly a lightweight unit, but for driving fasteners on a building site like large or long lag bolts, you can’t beat it. I’ve got all 3 generations of this tool, depends on what you are doing to decide which one you need to use.
I wouldn't use an adapter on Ryobi tools, Ryobi batteries have a BMS in them to protect from short circuit, over current, under voltage protection. Others may not (eg Dewalt)
Try using the 6ah Ryobi battery and see how it works. I’m buying one today to see how it compares to the 3ah Ryobi battery
probably a tad better if i had to guess. I bought the p262 with the 6ah and i love it and the battery life for working on my jeep. As a diesel mechanic i have yet to find anything that takes longer than 3 seconds to zip off too.
Have you considered testing torque stick accuracy through electric vs air impacts? I've always heard that they shouldn't be used on an electric impact.
Which ryobi to dewalt battery adapter did you use? I just bought the ryobi P262 and have the dewalt 20V XR batteries so this is perfect! Thank you so much
Lol luckily I’m on Dewalt platform and just need to use wrench very occasionally. Sounds like a perfect fit 😂
Would have like to see what the numbers would be with that dewalt battery on the milwaukee tool.
Oh! So the Ryobi is modulating power based on internal resistance (IR) of the battery! When the curve jumps, it's gotta be because the tool figures out the battery has low enough internal resistance to safely handle the higher amp draw. It must initially assume a weak battery, and adjust.
Would be interested to see how the P262 performs with a PBP004 since that is the "HP" battery that will be available going forward and the P192 and P195 are both discontinued
I be positively surprised if the Ryobi can open a semi truck lugnut, my Ryobi cant even open 14mm ones, so... That wouldnt be so bad if my much smaller Makita had any problem with 14mm lugnuts, but the Makita doesnt even hesitate, even when using less than fully charged 2.5ah standard battery. Anyway, hope youll find a realistic scenario to test those truck lugnuts, to simulate something that been sitting a few years or tightened by means of a long extension after a roadside repair.
Love ridgid. Ryobi is like a step son
could you make 0 torque if you stacked 20' of wobble extensions?
Both being TTI products, I wonder what is different internally? How long will the Ryobi make that power vs Milwaukee? A smoke-out test could be cool. X number of seconds at full load until one gives out.
I love the p262, would like to see you guys test power extra batteries
That’s great info for those of us poors who have Ryobi tools!
Thank you.
Any chance you test this impact with P191 since P195 has been discontinued
Hmm did you Test the Makita Hightorque ?
Waiting on it so much 😁
Ryobi is gonna redesign all of thier batteries soon so I'll probably get this when they do that
How do you know that? If you got some info to share hook it up lol
@@ianjay4596 I agree with this man
Oh God lmao I heard about that from workshop addict like 2 months ago I think although it might have been in an official ryobi tool release but either way my home depot is showing signs that they are since they discontinued the old HP batteries bigger than 6 AH
Could you please test the bosch ones with the 18650 packs VS the 21700
I'd really like to see the m18 with the 6.0 XC high output battery against the ryobi. If you give one the best battery available then do it for both. Actually make a video with all the tools on the list with the best battery available, at least for max torque test. Then you'll know what is best case scenario, and the absolute most you can get out of the tool.
We already have a video with the M18 and every HO battery. The Ryobi is using a 3ah battery here, equivalent to the CP3.0 - which we found makes the same as an XC5.0. So it's as even as it gets between brands
Another great video.
I have those 3ah batteries too, not bad at all
Wow . dewalt battery is better milwaukee? Keep up the good work, man!
More RYOBI videos please!!
It would be interesting to see what the Ryobi battery would do if the communication contacts were taped off and covered.
They did a test like that on their first test review. They used a 4ah battery that was supposed to be HP and didn't have those extra teminals. It showed that the tool kind of had its own mind so to speak. It fluctuated on torque. Sometimes putting out less and sometimes more.
I know it would never happen but how nice would it be if they could all pick one style of battery so they would be interchangeable? I think that's a big mistake harbor freight made with their bauer and hercules using a very similar but not interchangeable battery.
I’d like to see what it would do with the new 9ah battery, got to pack a punch
Hello, I just purchased the 4amp high performance. Wondering which Ryobi uses the 21700 besides the 3amp? I can't find any literature confirming which cells are used in the batteries.
Do a test on the Tacklife T20 sold on Amazon. i got one and from the size i have my doubts about it being 370 ft lbs
Ryobi proves to be top dog
Great video
I'd be curious if smart adapters will ever exist, where the tool can talk to the battery. I'm not sure how simple or complex the talking is, or if it's consistent or proprietary between brands, but it shouldn't be all that difficult to make one brand's tool talk to another brand's battery, right? At most it'd just need some sleuthing to understand what is actually being communicated, and if each system is proprietary, using a processor to translate brand A to brand B. Smart adapters could be a total game changer if one battery platform is superior when it can't communicate with the tool.
Awesome video
Tbh you should do real world conditions. Mostly everyone I know, in including myself only use high output batteries for m18.
Is putting the Dewalt 20v battery on a tool designed for 18v, a fair test? Due to electrical power being proportional to voltage-squared, then that's a potential 23% boost, by using the higher voltage rating.
Dewalt 20v batteries are just 18V batteries with some extra marketing wank. Same number of 18650 cells