The Draft Riots of 1863 - US Civil War - Extra History

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    July 13th, 1863, New York City: The Colored Orphan Asylum is under siege. A cauldron of resentment, anti-authority, and racial tensions rise as the city becomes a battleground for Irish immigrants and the African American communities, who have been manipulated by powerful players. 🏢🔥 As anti-draft sentiments boil over into racial violence, the dire consequences of division and prejudice unfold in heart-wrenching detail. - When divisions are sown, everyone loses.
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  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  7 месяцев назад +92

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    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 7 месяцев назад +1

      You guys always make My day better🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

    • @Altitude_adict
      @Altitude_adict 7 месяцев назад +2

      How was this commented 7d ago is my phone glitching?😂

    • @k1inzSukma
      @k1inzSukma 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Altitude_adict 😂 fr thinking the same thing

    • @Gentleman_GamingYT
      @Gentleman_GamingYT 7 месяцев назад +2

      Same

    • @k1inzSukma
      @k1inzSukma 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Gentleman_GamingYT frrrrrr

  • @KyleRayner12
    @KyleRayner12 7 месяцев назад +1332

    The tactic of pitting Irish Catholics against other immigrant groups has had a lasting legacy in a lot of Northern cities. I'm from Boston, where the most recent lynching recorded was in the 1970s, and there's a notable constituency of fiercely anti-immigrant and anti-nonwhite Irish-American locals, including a lot of my relatives.

    • @newjerseyyouth4853
      @newjerseyyouth4853 7 месяцев назад +6

      What lynching

    • @CodaMission
      @CodaMission 7 месяцев назад +41

      ​@XtoDoubt25 If that were the primary animus, they should still be pissed at ANY immigrant. But its suspiciously one pigment.

    • @noahjohnson935
      @noahjohnson935 7 месяцев назад +63

      ​​@@XtoDoubt25 it's still horrible. The Irish of all people should be against oppression and racism, after experiencing it for so long. Oppressing non-whites makes us no better than the Anglos who wished to destroy Eire.

    • @williamhamilton1154
      @williamhamilton1154 7 месяцев назад +18

      Yeah. Don’t think Canada didn’t see it’s own share of things like that. Well into the 20th century the Greek community in Toronto was targeted with such violence. That’s just a tiny slice of it.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson 7 месяцев назад +15

      Including Marky Mark Walburg.

  • @odolwa099
    @odolwa099 7 месяцев назад +1235

    Considering our history with the Brits, nothing disappoints me more as an Irish person than seeing our own people do to another what was done to us.

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 7 месяцев назад +75

      I might be Northern Irish myself but I 100% agree with you

    • @mccloaker
      @mccloaker 7 месяцев назад +59

      Remember, we're all the same kind of person. We're all one empty stomach away from trying to eradicate the competition.

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 7 месяцев назад +39

      Ironically, Ireland seems to be testing ground for what British would do to India (namely extracting resources in time of famine, meager handouts, and second class citizens to everyone, even the rich with “exceptions”) yet made up large chunk of British Army personnel who tends to suppress them..
      Not that universal since there was an Irish journalist who converted to Buddhism and advocated for Burma Independence (then part of British Raj*), and both Irish and Indian activists often shared solidarity.
      * To add similarity with the video, they also pit various groups, whether it’s between Muslims and Hindus in India, or Buddhists against Christian hill people, lower class Indians, and Chinese that screwed things up even after independence.

    • @balls9420
      @balls9420 7 месяцев назад +16

      As a Cornish Person I'm starting to see that same worrying trend in SOME Cornish Nationalists. They are hating the English people for doing basically nothing. A lot of these on the extreme end of Cornish Nationalism, not to anyone's surprise have a list of mental problems.

    • @thedaniel4999
      @thedaniel4999 7 месяцев назад +30

      People always like to punch down. What better way to make yourself feel better about your place in society than to seemingly assert your social superiority against your seeming lessers

  • @trippyhare
    @trippyhare 7 месяцев назад +679

    Whenever someone in power tells you to hate another stigmatized group, their goal is *never* to increase your power.
    That line right there is brilliant.

    • @05Matz
      @05Matz 7 месяцев назад +19

      Definitely a great line. The core lesson of this bloody incident summed up well, and sadly it remains a very relevant lesson.

    • @shawnwarrynn8609
      @shawnwarrynn8609 7 месяцев назад +9

      So why is it that lately Extra History seems to be encouraging this among the various minorities and minority groups of America?!

    • @malogibeaux4946
      @malogibeaux4946 7 месяцев назад +20

      @@shawnwarrynn8609 CARE TO EXPLAIN,

    • @informatikabos5481
      @informatikabos5481 7 месяцев назад +26

      @@malogibeaux4946 If I had to guess, I'd assume they are referring to several videos that subjects the discrimination and crimes that happened especially in the US against various minorities living in America. To which I'd respond with "If I'm can't even point out the injustices that have and still are committed against my community, how can I ever expect for things to change? How subservient do you want me to be until you grant me the simple right to exist?"
      (Obv. I don't know if thats what they meant, but it's a common sentiment on the internet.)

    • @malogibeaux4946
      @malogibeaux4946 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@informatikabos5481 fun fact, I did not meant it to be in capital (caps lock but it looks way better this way).

  • @silvertalon007
    @silvertalon007 7 месяцев назад +52

    "CALL A DOCTOR! CALL A DOCTOR!" * Readies Up Gatling Guns * "But Not For Me!"

  • @louthegiantcookie
    @louthegiantcookie 7 месяцев назад +598

    What level of evil do you have to be to attack an orphanage of all things? I first read about the Draft Riots in the book Gangs of New York, and was shocked at just how sadistic the mob were. Awful times.

    • @SugaPappi32
      @SugaPappi32 7 месяцев назад +8

      I love the movie

    • @DJHDOG
      @DJHDOG 7 месяцев назад +57

      Very easy to act that way, if they see the other side as "not people"

    • @existentialcrisisactor
      @existentialcrisisactor 7 месяцев назад

      The American standard is pretty evil once looked at objectively

    • @markmower1746
      @markmower1746 7 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@DJHDOGYou're right, when the other people act more like animals more than people...

    • @righthandstep5
      @righthandstep5 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@markmower1746 reminds me of war for the planet of the apes.

  • @Double_D__
    @Double_D__ 7 месяцев назад +192

    I did a quick Google Search on a whim to find out how much it would cost in today's money to avoid the draft with these laws: If you had to pay $300 in 1863 to avoid the draft, today it would cost a little over *_$7,300_* in today's money. I've heard of Class Warfare, but this really was the rich leaving combat and warfare to the lower classes. Despicable.

    • @jamesboswell1804
      @jamesboswell1804 7 месяцев назад +3

      This isn't the wealthiest country in the world for nothing

    • @50TNCSA
      @50TNCSA 7 месяцев назад +15

      rich man's war poor man's fight

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 7 месяцев назад +7

      That's our European heritage. There have been exemptions for the wealthy for a very long time. And it didn't really end. The exemptions got more convoluted, but draft exemptions like being a college student before the era of student aid had an obvious intent. By the Vietnam War, it was a lot more accessible to the middle class, but still not for a lot of people.

    • @joythought
      @joythought 7 месяцев назад +7

      I agree with your points but imagine being the head of finance for the Union army and knowing that if you can extract a significant amount of extra money from all the wealthy folk of the North you can afford the provisions, equipment, etc to overmatch your enemy. I would suggest that there is a chance that the money was an important cash flow. It was called the "Commutation fee" and it could be charged to someone on each draft for which they were called and wanted to avoid.

    • @BillMcD
      @BillMcD 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@joythought the problem is it shouldn't have been a randomized per capita tax, but part of a larger progressive income tax structure. Federal income tax wasn't established until 1913. At this point the country could only rely on war bonds and state funds to pay for soldiers and gear. The "commutation fee" was arbitrary in who it hit, and often times it would be better to hire someone to go in your stead either because it was cheaper or it was a sure way to not get back in the draft again. I highly doubt the Union Army saw much if any of that money.

  • @kellenlean2076
    @kellenlean2076 7 месяцев назад +382

    The gangs of New York is a great movie that depicts some of the riots albeit in a very Hollywood way. The military shells New York in the movie which never happened but other then that I think it does a good job at showing what they were like.

    • @VoteBidentoSaveDemocracy
      @VoteBidentoSaveDemocracy 7 месяцев назад

      I didn't realize Gangs of New York took place during the Civil War.....

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 7 месяцев назад +12

      I saw someone use that scene to describe what it mustve been like when the Savlar Chemdogs arrived in a hive city, if you know Warhammer 40k.

  • @wikiuser92
    @wikiuser92 7 месяцев назад +204

    I've heard this very wise phrase on the internet:
    "Politics and religion should serve the people instead of telling people to hate."

    • @jamesboswell1804
      @jamesboswell1804 7 месяцев назад +6

      They are what they attract

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja 7 месяцев назад +11

      Politics was never meant to serve people.
      It's just the running of a ruling class under supposed legitimacy.
      As for religion that can go in a number of ways.

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@Cacowninja You may think so, but there are many politicians who selflessly want to help the people who chose them.

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@wikiuser92Then why do they choose a profession that is inherently involuntary?
      I mean politics is forced on people. It's force.
      You don't get to choose whether anyone rules over you or not, and you most certainly don't get to choose whether to pay the taxes they charge or not.
      If you want to help people choose something other than being a politician that actually helps people.
      Agorism is the absence of a ruling class which there are many video on youtube to learn about it.

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 7 месяцев назад +12

      @@Cacowninja Believe it or not, there are many politicians who actively seek to become politicians to change the world for the better.

  • @AynenMakino
    @AynenMakino 7 месяцев назад +241

    The point you ended on, of never trusting a politician who tells you to hate another group, the world really needs you to keep hammering that point home. We as a global culture still don't recognize these politicians for what they are early enough. Education on their playbook has a long way to go. But you guys are very good teachers, imho. So I hope you'll keep at it! 💚

  • @Gillemear
    @Gillemear 7 месяцев назад +77

    While I am a proud Irishman who has heard many times how the Irish "built" America, I appreciate this dark chapter in our shared history. It's just as important to recognise the darkness as well as the light in the past. Only then can we learn from our mistakes

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 3 месяца назад +4

      If only we would learn from said darkness now instead of mistreating other vulnerable minorities that come here for a better life

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 7 месяцев назад +189

    Just because New York was in the union doesn’t mean they weren’t horribly racist at the time. During the civil war for a lot of people in the north it was more about preserving the union than freeing the slaves.

    • @Ninja1Ninja2
      @Ninja1Ninja2 7 месяцев назад +17

      this logic is how the south can still say it was states rights lol

    • @witoldtadeusz
      @witoldtadeusz 7 месяцев назад +9

      And many factory owners just wanted really cheap workers to come north - the slavers at least needed to keep their "property" alive and functional, a manufacturer always has workers in dire need of money lined up, so that little he cares for their wellbeing.
      Whereas the southrons frequently fought not for the slavery, but for the sovereignty of their own states - the right to choose whether to be in a union or break apart from it. Take Robert Edward Lee, for example. He was personally against slavery, and yet commanded the Confederate forces, having refused such command over the Union.
      USA is a union of states, not a state divided into administrative regions, isn't it

    • @chico9805
      @chico9805 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@witoldtadeuszVery true, it's all about personal interests. There were some who geniunely cared, but for most, there were and always are ulterior motives.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@witoldtadeuszThe part where they fought for the independence of the states is pure hogwash. Richmond is just as overbearing as Washington and Georgia was vocal enough to say how much "states' rights" eventually means nothing. I mean read the Confederate Constitution: states are not allowed to free any slaves inside their own state borders, ever nor are they allowed to secede from the Confederacy. The US Constitution didn't say they could do that or couldn't do that...

    • @spiffygonzales5160
      @spiffygonzales5160 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@Ninja1Ninja2
      Honestly the anti neo confeds are worse than the neo confeds these days.
      Like seriously how many neo confeds do you ACTUALLY see these days? Now compare it to the number of people who say stuff in the vein of "Shermans march should have killed more people".

  • @ThinksFarToMuch
    @ThinksFarToMuch 7 месяцев назад +79

    Even though this is a tragic story, I still lost it from laughter at the part where The NY Times has gatling guns 😂

    • @martylund8411
      @martylund8411 7 месяцев назад +1

      It was an age where Lincoln sent federal agents to beat up reporters in the North, imprison them without trial, and forcibly deport US citizens to Canada if they something critical of him they wrote in the paper got him angry.
      You'd better believe newspaper men were as strapped as they could be.

    • @GaldirEonai
      @GaldirEonai 7 месяцев назад +11

      Around that time Richard Gatling was still trying to get his guns adopted by the Union military so they'd probably have been in there for publicity purposes, allowing for drawings and detailed descriptions to be made (along with possibly some photographs for later reference).
      Fun fact: Mr. Gatling believed his invention would _reduce_ the lethality of war. Didn't quite work out that way, did it...

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 7 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@GaldirEonaiAnd the funny thing about Dr. Gatling is that he lived just long enough to make what would become the Minigun by 1895 (essentially attaching an electric motor to an 1873 model Gatling)...

  • @bluejay4214
    @bluejay4214 7 месяцев назад +71

    Oh man I remember seeing this interpreted in the Gangs of New York movie. It was absolutely horrifying.

  • @warkijiji4474
    @warkijiji4474 7 месяцев назад +28

    You don’t need to pick a man’s pockets to get his money, give him someone to look down upon and it will fall right out

  • @Kellen_Quigley
    @Kellen_Quigley 4 месяца назад +8

    My great-great-great-grandfather was one of the Irish Catholics in New York who was paid $300 by a rich person to fight in their place. He was shot in the cheek during battle and the bullet passed right through so for the rest of his life he had a deep scar on the side of his face. My great-grandfather apparently remembered sitting on his lap as a small boy and putting his hand on and in the scar and thought it was the coolest thing. Thank you so much for doing this video, it was super fascinating!

  • @user-xq5og9lt8p
    @user-xq5og9lt8p 7 месяцев назад +88

    It's truly frightetning how easy it is to appeal to the crowd's "we are better then them" feel

    • @jesseberg3271
      @jesseberg3271 7 месяцев назад +16

      Crowds are as intelligent as their least intelligent member. The same is true of their restraint, morality, and compassion.

    • @user-xq5og9lt8p
      @user-xq5og9lt8p 7 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@jesseberg3271correction: as their least intelligent member's cognition divided by the number of members

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 7 месяцев назад +8

      deeply ingrained human psychology, tribalism is. Might have been useful for litteral tribes in the Stone Age, but not anymore.

    • @neighbor-j-4737
      @neighbor-j-4737 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@Game_Hero
      You are still affected by it, and have not in any way risen above it, or evolved past it, you just know it by other names and means. But you have always been, and will always be, tribal.

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@neighbor-j-4737 Never said I didn't, but self-awareness is a first step at limiting its effects.

  • @zacharydavis8197
    @zacharydavis8197 7 месяцев назад +25

    Hold up, why did the New York Times have gating gun?
    I want to know more about that!

  • @HardCodedGaming
    @HardCodedGaming 7 месяцев назад +15

    Whether it's 2023 or 1863, don't listen to people at the buffet about how to get your table scraps.

  • @korstmahler
    @korstmahler 7 месяцев назад +14

    When someone tells you to hate, at all, you should resist them.

  • @evanbunch1612
    @evanbunch1612 7 месяцев назад +95

    HISTORY TIME

    • @germanfisch
      @germanfisch 7 месяцев назад

      This is when extra history said "its history time!" And historied all over the place

  • @thevoxofreason8468
    @thevoxofreason8468 7 месяцев назад +17

    I was surprised when "Gangs of New York" essentially ended showing the start of the riots. Upon first seeing the film, I had no idea it was even going to touch on the subject. You're vid has made me want to go watch it again.

  • @yanluoanthony6868
    @yanluoanthony6868 7 месяцев назад +23

    Might I also add that the Catholic Church in america was also divided when it came to the civil war. The pope didn’t approve of slavery nor recognize the confederacy but some Catholics and even clergy owned slaves. Like most of the civil war it wasn’t just brothers against brothers it’s Church against church.

    • @clipobserver
      @clipobserver 6 месяцев назад +3

      This wouldn't be the only time, Pope Francis supported people taking the COVID vaccine but a good number of Catholics refused.

  • @E.b.c_drum
    @E.b.c_drum 7 месяцев назад +40

    One of my reltives captain myles keogh came from ireland and fought in the papel states. He then came to America to fight in the cival war as a captain. He fought at Gettysburg, the second battle of bull run, and a huge list of others and later died at custers last stand. Hes got a wiki page so look him up if you have the time.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 7 месяцев назад +67

    Thanks for all your hardwork and dedication guys! Your content always makes me more imformed and fills me with joy!😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

  • @RedWizrobe
    @RedWizrobe 7 месяцев назад +72

    Oh, boy! Time to systematically shread my faith in humanity again!
    EDIT: Yep, called it. 200 years later and basically nothing changed. All I can do is remember this line from Don't Be a Sucker:
    "We human beings are not born with prejudices. Always they are made for us. Made by someone who wants something. Remember that when you hear this kind of talk; somebody's going to get something out of it, and it isn't going to be you."

    • @MathGPT
      @MathGPT 7 месяцев назад +7

      We are born with brains, brains discriminate and seek out patterns. It’s this process that gets exploited. We are also at fault

    • @tonysoprano..-
      @tonysoprano..- 7 месяцев назад +2

      Don't Be a Sucker was such a superb little piece, immediately thought of it on hearing Matt's final line

    • @ASpaceOstrich
      @ASpaceOstrich 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@MathGPT Mm. This myth that we're all born pure and clean and only taught to be prejudiced falls apart as soon as you realise that the people who teach it also had to learn it from somewhere. It's an incorrect belief that people hold so that they can tell themselves that they could never be prejudiced like this.
      Everyone is born prejudiced and has to learn not to be, usually by exposure to varied groups and people. Its why people that are well traveled and have met many different types of people generally tend to be less prejudiced, while those from small, non diverse communities who haven't interacted much with the rest of the world generally tend to be more prejudiced.

    • @neighbor-j-4737
      @neighbor-j-4737 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ASpaceOstrich
      Yes and No.
      Yes, people exposed to a broad spectrum of cultures tend to have a less xenophobic nature.
      No, I don't necessarily think babies are born to hate anyone in particular inherently. They are sans motive.
      People are tribal, and US versus THEM is a fairly natural theme, but can be quickly overcome by change in scenery.
      I never fully understood racism clearly, until I had lunch years ago with my newly arrived Romanian friend. He went on and on about the 'fuggin Hungarians' for hours. Being from a small town in the midwest, I had never met any Hungarians in my life, and had barely heard the word, let alone understood the distinction.
      But in that moment, I grasped hatred for your neighbor, competition for resources, and how bias is manufactured, not inherently ingrained.
      It is almost comical to think about. And to any Magyari reading this, thank you for helping me understand the world better...

  • @johnp5250
    @johnp5250 7 месяцев назад +13

    History doesn't repeat
    But it definently rhymes

  • @Canhistoryismylife
    @Canhistoryismylife 7 месяцев назад +77

    It’s interesting to see the role of capital in dictating who had to fight. We hide it much more successfully now of course.

    • @kaltaron1284
      @kaltaron1284 7 месяцев назад +4

      Nowadays it's usually just knowing a sympathatic (or worse corrupt) doctor. If your country even still has drafts.

    • @Whattabatt
      @Whattabatt 7 месяцев назад

      "bone spurs"

  • @cdcastro7986
    @cdcastro7986 7 месяцев назад +9

    You guys gotta make a series about Tammany Hall and Tweed.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 7 месяцев назад +8

    Episode starts with people with torches, going to an orphanage.
    Oh, no.
    Oh, hell, no!

  • @john.harrison
    @john.harrison 7 месяцев назад +10

    3 words in and i already can tell this is one of the sad episodes

  • @redacted229
    @redacted229 7 месяцев назад +9

    “Babe wake up, Extra history made another video”

  • @generalsmite7167
    @generalsmite7167 7 месяцев назад +33

    I really happy to see all these more specific episodes on the civil war as it’s really interesting. I would you to see stuff on the start of the civil war with the election of Lincoln.

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 7 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, everyone thinks it all started with Fort Sumter, but in reality Confederate troops were seizing federal armories all over the south for months beforehand. They were getting ready for war.

  • @jesseberg3271
    @jesseberg3271 7 месяцев назад +13

    A contemporary critic of New York mayor Fernando Wood referred to him as having a walk which was straight and true when he was in front of the people, but "slantindicular" when he was not. Or, to put it another way, he was crooked.

  • @trinefanmel
    @trinefanmel 7 месяцев назад +3

    Wow. Just wow.
    So happy I found this channel otherwise I might never have come across these parts of history. The final message of this video is really important and I wish more people would hear it and learn from it.
    Thanks for all the work you do!

  • @GallowglassVT
    @GallowglassVT 7 месяцев назад +15

    Gangs of New York was the first I'd heard of the Draft Riots, but looking into the actual records of the events... yikes, is all I can say.

  • @NevsTechBits
    @NevsTechBits 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the great content Extra Credits! Every week you top me up with info. You guys rule. Please keep going!!!

  • @sharkside8
    @sharkside8 7 месяцев назад +8

    What a coincidence, my US History class is currently talking about the Civil War.

    • @jonnunn4196
      @jonnunn4196 7 месяцев назад

      This early? When I was in high school and college they would not even reach the election of 1860 until around Thanksgiving. At that time the first US History course ended with Reconstruction and the second started with post Civil War western expansion.

    • @sharkside8
      @sharkside8 7 месяцев назад

      @@jonnunn4196 It’s probably because of these two things. We go to different schools, or things changed over time.

  • @harrison6082
    @harrison6082 7 месяцев назад +6

    1:19 It's really surprising how often people think a war will be short.
    Ukraine, Vietnam, ww1, and the American civil war

  • @bionicpun862
    @bionicpun862 7 месяцев назад +7

    @extrahistory at 7:25 you say "On january 16th troops returned from the battle of Gettysburg..." I'm pretty sure you mean 'JULY 16th' and that you still had January on the brain from pointing out when the emancipation proclamation was announced.

  • @FakeBlocks
    @FakeBlocks 7 месяцев назад +8

    Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
    I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!

  • @srdjan455
    @srdjan455 3 месяца назад +4

    If you want to feel better after watching this video then just rewatch the scene in "gangs of new york" where the mob is gunned down

  • @mebrychi6504
    @mebrychi6504 7 месяцев назад +8

    I love all of your civil war era vids

  • @apachewolfscornerofthestag3579
    @apachewolfscornerofthestag3579 7 месяцев назад +7

    SVP you are just Awesome brother!!

  • @MariaVosa
    @MariaVosa 7 месяцев назад +2

    Your videos are always excellent. This one however. This one was next level.
    Powerful and poignant.
    💔❤

  • @TheIrishvolunteer
    @TheIrishvolunteer 7 месяцев назад +12

    I feel such a sorrow at learning of the crimes my countrymen committed against the African American community and those people who went against such a moral evil like slavery during these riots.
    I don’t know how such an event went unmentioned during my schooling.

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 3 месяца назад

      It unfortunately is a thing in humans to be tribalistic.
      I would say there is a lot of guilt to be placed at the structure of their society for the depraved conditions many of these people were left in, probably the children of famine survivors.
      The country they went to gave them the worst work and also expected them to fight in a war they probably didnt understand outside the context of this will mean more competition for work-if you survive unscathed from battle and disease.
      And as is mentioned the people that would send them to war don’t even go themselves and were probably much more noticeable given the large absences of working and middle class soldiers.
      None of this is to excuse them but to say they were a horrible outcome of a brutal system

  • @amyherman7063
    @amyherman7063 7 месяцев назад +1

    Looks amazing, I have always loved this show.

  • @stalinnotballen7592
    @stalinnotballen7592 7 месяцев назад +2

    got to love a little bit of Extra History

  • @philtkaswahl2124
    @philtkaswahl2124 7 месяцев назад +7

    Unfortunately the tactics still work because for the most part people, especially extremely disaffected ones, dislike complexity. And "it's all the fault of these people Not Like You" is all too simple.

  • @tarawalker7193
    @tarawalker7193 Месяц назад

    Thank you for this channel, from the entirety of my heart!

  • @Al-Is-Gaming
    @Al-Is-Gaming 7 месяцев назад +8

    My ancestors came to America in 1849 and settled in Missouri. The blood bath that it was

  • @michaelbarnes5223
    @michaelbarnes5223 7 месяцев назад +26

    It's always wild to me when I study the ACW, that the Irish immigrants of NYC could so fiercely defend the union (see the Irish Brigade) while threatening to bring the city to secede itself.

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 7 месяцев назад +1

      the duality of man

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 3 месяца назад

      Wasn’t it the archbishop of New York that threatened to turn the city into another Moscow if churches were attacked by nativists

  • @cautionfn1292
    @cautionfn1292 7 месяцев назад

    needed this for history class thank you🙏🏽

  • @anderskorsback4104
    @anderskorsback4104 7 месяцев назад +5

    It's an oversimplification to say that the Democrats at the time were pro-slavery. The Democratic Party had itself had a major schism between Northern and Southern Democrats during the events leading up to the war. Northern Democrats weren't pro-slavery per se, but they were largely pro states' rights, so were opposed to federal interference with slavery. During the war, Northern Democrats themselves were split between pro-war and anti-war. Preserving the support of pro-war democrats was important for the Lincoln administration, which led it to take actions that compromised the war effort, such as appointing prominent pro-war Democrats to high positions of military command that they were poorly suited for.

    • @dastemplar9681
      @dastemplar9681 21 день назад

      They pressured Lincoln in 1864 to reverse Emancipation. That says enough on where they stood. Democrats by majority were very much for slavery, even moderates with the whole “states rights” argument (which SUCKS btw).

  • @jorenbosmans8065
    @jorenbosmans8065 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love this one. I first learned about these riots from the comics "blue coats" (or what was the name of the union troops). I'm happy to get more info😊

  • @bolokollo5767
    @bolokollo5767 7 месяцев назад +6

    „les tuniques bleues“ or in english „the blue coats“ have a very detailed Comic about this event. Even the Gatling Guns from the NY Times are mentioned. It’s worth giving it a look.

  • @sasserfamily6425
    @sasserfamily6425 Месяц назад +2

    Anything more american than having two Gatling guns in a NEWSPAPER OFFICE?

  • @animationfanatic2133
    @animationfanatic2133 6 месяцев назад +3

    NY times editor, "so anyway I just started blasting

  • @skyden24195
    @skyden24195 7 месяцев назад +1

    Cannot give enough praise for the relative comparisons between the way back when and the very recent ago.

  • @ronaanwer7161
    @ronaanwer7161 7 месяцев назад

    I am early to my favorite channel for once, and congrats on 1b views ❤🎉🎉❤

  • @alekseishkurin4590
    @alekseishkurin4590 7 месяцев назад +3

    Very timely episode!

    • @sarasamaletdin4574
      @sarasamaletdin4574 7 месяцев назад

      How so? What has happened in US that’s similar? I am not American

    • @alekseishkurin4590
      @alekseishkurin4590 7 месяцев назад

      @@sarasamaletdin4574 I'm talking more about global events :)

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 3 месяца назад

      @@sarasamaletdin4574​​⁠Dublin had anti immigration riots to our shame a month nearly to the day after this was released

  • @Domesthenes
    @Domesthenes 7 месяцев назад +3

    I would love for you guys to do a series on the 54th Massachusetts Infantry.

  • @That1J1
    @That1J1 6 месяцев назад +3

    Could you imagine coming home from the battle of Gettysburg, having just turned the tide of the war for the abolition of slavery, and then having to turn your gun towards your own city thanks to some rich people trying to get richer?

    • @rasheed7934
      @rasheed7934 6 месяцев назад

      They weren't fighting to end slavery. Stop the lie.

    • @danomyte67
      @danomyte67 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@rasheed7934 it resulted in the end of slavery. So who’s the liar?

  • @josephfioretti6851
    @josephfioretti6851 7 месяцев назад +2

    He uploaded 🗣🔥

  • @UtahSustainGardening
    @UtahSustainGardening 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @lagieboyfontanilla3073
    @lagieboyfontanilla3073 7 месяцев назад +14

    Hey Extra History RUclips channel,
    It would be good if you made a series of the Philippine Revolution. Im a Filipino fan of yours so if you made a series about it, it would be great.
    Sincerely,
    Filipino Viewers

  • @kayeka4123
    @kayeka4123 7 месяцев назад +9

    Funny thing is, I imagine that the 300 dollars probably was more useful to the war effort than another warm body would have been. Allowing the rich to buy themselves out of the draft was probably just an easy way to gain funds without having to actually raise taxes on anyone "important".

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 7 месяцев назад

      "Warm bodies" and money are needed to win the war. It cannot be "or"...

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah but people dislike risking their own precious life while another risks some dollars, even if it was half their fortune there would be resentment.

    • @animalia5554
      @animalia5554 4 месяца назад

      Especially before the income tax existed

  • @Studdblog
    @Studdblog 7 месяцев назад +4

    Excellent choice of subject matter

  • @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526
    @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526 7 месяцев назад +3

    Hey history credits what you think about make a video about the los angeles riots of 1992?

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea 7 месяцев назад +13

    The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't well received by the army when it was implemented. A lot of Union soldiers weren't down with the idea of fighting to free slaves, while troops from South Illonois came close to mutiny and had to be threatened not to desert.

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro Месяц назад

    very nice EH! a lot of other channels would have missed the point of what made these riots tragic but not this fine channel! I just hope the message sinks in for many!

  • @burninghard
    @burninghard 7 месяцев назад +6

    Marginalized groups fighting each other to distract from the fact the upper class takes up all of teh resources? That sounds pretty familiar doesn´t it?

  • @-jeff-
    @-jeff- 7 месяцев назад +3

    Some who learn from the past work hard to make sure it IS repeated.

  • @nyxsolice
    @nyxsolice 5 месяцев назад

    For anyone who is interested in this topic and also likes theater Paradise Square is a lovely musical about some of these events. It has other plots mixed in but the build up to the characters and their respective groups becoming enemies is very well written and worth the watch if you can!

  • @xaviersaavedra7442
    @xaviersaavedra7442 7 месяцев назад +2

    I remember learning about this on hs. As apart of the civil rights lesson plan

  • @benjaminmatheny6683
    @benjaminmatheny6683 7 месяцев назад +5

    I would argue that the Confederate draft exemptions were slightly worse than the Union ones, as the Confederate exemptions applied for free to the wealthy class. i.e. It didn't cost them anything to avoid the draft. At least the Union draft dodgers had to pay something.

  • @edits7034
    @edits7034 7 месяцев назад +4

    Imagine being a solider for the Union and going off to fight in the biggest bloodiest and most grueling battle fought in American history. Surviving that, then coming back to deal with a bunch of rowdy Irish lunatics. Those guys must of been pooped and they had just seen the worst side of humanity from all angles 😢

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 3 месяца назад

      I would just say that the shitty situation for the people that were sympathetic to the riots really should be appreciated that they had been whipped up into a frenzy of fear and panic by people exploiting their desperate situation for political gain.
      These were the children of a cataclysmic famine whose reward for reaching adulthood was more destitution and a brutal war, which they had been led to believe would mean more competition for what little work they could get.
      None of this is to excuse the horrendous acts, but to say that the situation was created and sustained by an elite that happily played the tensions of desperate people against one another for gain.
      It’s the thing colonial empires did with rival tribes that more modern states do with the poor and disenfranchised

  • @AdriLeemput
    @AdriLeemput 6 месяцев назад +4

    It always bothers me when people say Lincoln freed the slaves with the Emancipation Declaration, because it is just not true.
    The Declaration is only applicable on territory not controlled/governed by the union.

    • @tylersmith3139
      @tylersmith3139 3 месяца назад +2

      Yeah because northern states had already abolished slavery. That's why the term slave state/ free state exists.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Месяц назад

      And that was the vast majority of the slave population.

    • @AdriLeemput
      @AdriLeemput Месяц назад

      @@baneofbanes yes true, but besides the point.
      It's easy to pas a law banning slavery for a territory that you have no jurisdiction over.
      Would have been better if he would have done it for the entire territory the USA claimed jurisdiction over, and not only the part they did not control.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Месяц назад

      @@AdriLeemput except he didn’t have the power to do that. Have you ever actually studied the war?

    • @AdriLeemput
      @AdriLeemput Месяц назад

      @@baneofbanes Yes, and he also did not have the power to abolish slavery in a territory he does not control.
      Again: the law excluded all territory that was under control of the Union for abolishing slavery.
      I'm not saying it is a bad thing, I am just pointing out that it was not abolishing slavery in the United States, only in the states that were rebelling against the Union.

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 7 месяцев назад +23

    I've been opposed to the idea of forcing people to fight in wars all my life. Ever since I learned of what happened to conscientious objectors here in the UK in World War One 😟

    • @MathGPT
      @MathGPT 7 месяцев назад +1

      Well you’re gonna have a hard time reading history because basically it’s all wars

    • @jeremy1860
      @jeremy1860 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@MathGPT You're not wrong. Every period, in every place, has its dark side, and as someone who has spent his entire life loving and learning history, it's a legitimately difficult thing to reconcile. The fascinating and the horrific, all in equal measure 😟

    • @MatthewCobalt
      @MatthewCobalt 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@MathGPTYou know that it's a specialization, right?

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 7 месяцев назад +1

      Its pretty sad that a lot of European nations are interested in bringing back limited selective service systems in order to combat other mass conscription-based possible enemies.(IE, Russia). You'd think we'd be past that in this day and age, but hey at least it isn't full-on conscription, right?

    • @23tovarm5
      @23tovarm5 7 месяцев назад

      @@kostakatsoulis2922well I mean we see how Russia is handling that (very, very poorly)

  • @coyote4237
    @coyote4237 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you.

  • @dextercochran4916
    @dextercochran4916 6 месяцев назад +5

    I can feel that ESG score going up from here. Good job, Stooges!

  • @sebastiantrummer8838
    @sebastiantrummer8838 7 месяцев назад +5

    7:23 - I seriously doubt any troops returned from the Battle of Gettysburg on JANUARY 16

  • @ZAK31591
    @ZAK31591 6 месяцев назад +3

    Imagine slugging it out at Gettysburg for three days and coming home to this. No wonder they opened fire.

  • @jmanj3917
    @jmanj3917 7 месяцев назад +3

    8:45 Take a look at the current political landscape if you need an example of this.

  • @stoopifz
    @stoopifz 7 месяцев назад +5

    Wow, we were equally pathetic back then

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 7 месяцев назад

      Tbf we haven't had a draft in 50 years, so there's been at least some progress.

    • @chico9805
      @chico9805 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@kostakatsoulis2922The only reason why the draft hasn't returned is because it would collapse our fragile society.

    • @OptimusWombat
      @OptimusWombat 7 месяцев назад

      @@kostakatsoulis2922 I think he was referring more to the blatant political manipulation by pitting one group against another. It still happens today.

    • @OptimusWombat
      @OptimusWombat 7 месяцев назад

      @@chico9805 and the rich can still find ways to avoid it.

  • @mannyfernandez1713
    @mannyfernandez1713 7 месяцев назад

    If history has taught me something is that any war you think will end quickly, will simply drag on

  • @Ranlac_the_Black
    @Ranlac_the_Black 7 месяцев назад +2

    That orphanage story really is new to me.

  • @pevlez
    @pevlez 7 месяцев назад

    Yeeey just the one I waanted to watch

  • @adumbkidwithengines5949
    @adumbkidwithengines5949 5 месяцев назад +2

    “Politicians tell people to hate other people” you said it well, almost every politician in office today and the past couple of years keep doing exactly that, because a country that is divided is much more easy to control than one that is together. History just repeats and more suffer from it 😕.

  • @commandercorl1544
    @commandercorl1544 7 месяцев назад +2

    6:08 What is it with post offices and putting up a good fight against a larger, better armed enemy?

  • @bertbaker7067
    @bertbaker7067 7 месяцев назад +4

    There's only one war, class war.

  • @05Matz
    @05Matz 7 месяцев назад +4

    Grim history, but something we acutely need to be aware of today.

  • @threaruscamuwundra7417
    @threaruscamuwundra7417 7 месяцев назад +3

    I watched Gangs of New York last week and before that movie never heard about this (being non american). So crazy that this video pops up

  • @ASPECTICKLE
    @ASPECTICKLE 7 месяцев назад +4

    I hate drafts but I think I hate racists more.

  • @burningtank160
    @burningtank160 7 месяцев назад +3

    Oh yeahhh historypostimg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Toin9291
    @Toin9291 7 месяцев назад +2

    Do a video about dutch republic and the first democracy

  • @deny.nurdin
    @deny.nurdin 7 месяцев назад

    Make me wanna rewatch Gank of New York

  • @elijahguttman9289
    @elijahguttman9289 7 месяцев назад

    Awesome conclusion

  • @nanni-buyerofcopper
    @nanni-buyerofcopper 5 месяцев назад +1

    You need to do a series on the civil war overall

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 4 месяца назад

      Racism was covered epicly by 'Some More News', even if we cont count the criticically acclaimed Thanksgiving-Video

  • @EricTheKei
    @EricTheKei 7 месяцев назад +2

    The more things change, the more they stay the same...