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@@Texanprime Agreed, I'm a descendant of the Saunders and the Milams. The family diaries of them tell a far different story then the whitewashed and myths taught today.
Honestly, both sides committed atrocities against each other. Take King Phillips war, where Native Americans raided several colonial outposts and killed hundreds, with the colonists doing the same in retaliation. Plus we do talk about some atrocities during the revolution including how colonists would publicly mock and essentially torture loyalists and tax collectors.
I went to a Moravian college, worked at two museums in Moravian settlements, and am myself a Quaker. I very much appreciate this video, you did a good job covering a largely unknown tragedy. We do need to talk about these things. Please cover more history like this and explore Quakers and Moravians, the latter don’t get enough attention for their huge role in early America for such a small group.
Please do not use the word tradegy for a massacre. It is highly misleading of what the intentions were behind it. In popular culture the word "tragedy" normally involves accidents. I noticed you latter used the word massacre on a reply to self so I know you did not intend to downplay it... ty
"Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Yes those who DO study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeat it..."
or, some people, like the "Most Moral Army" and "The only democracy in the middle east" who is responsible for USS Liberty, uses such history as manuals.
@@luisfilipe2023and that's how we end up with bigotry and oppression becoming normalized 😑. As the adage goes "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.".
@@luisfilipe2023 Know that what has happened will happen again, and again, and again, and again, because people refuse to learn from what has already occurred. People don't know how these horrible things happen, so they don't know to stop them and often aid in their repeated occurence for the same reasons their ancesters aided the original, in total ignorance of what will happen.
The fact that this kind of stuff is almost never talked about in school makes me so, so sad. Thank you for shedding light on the darker part of our history.
Why would you think this story should be anything but a footnote outside of America? Just because it is a part of America's founding myth doesn't mean others have to hold it in high historical regard.
@@thesecondhat4717 Because outside of America we like to pretend we don't do ankle-deep takes on history. And the fact that a country like the USA was founded on war crimes in addition to everything else really shouldn't be a mere footnote.
@@Peroman200 well it was not founded on war crimes, it had war crimes as part of its foundation. Lets not forget how many died to found England when William showed up, of the war crimes that did found Spain and all their conquests.
@@Peroman200 well at the same time both sides committed war crimes. For example, King Phillips war where both colonists and native Americans killed hundreds. That doesn’t make them justified, but it shows that it wasn’t a one sided story that demonizes the revolutionaries. So it is important to note this as we will see a narrative develop that does the exact same thing.
I worked at the historic site in Gnadenhutten when I graduated high school. Learning of the specifics of the massacre while I worked there was a lot to take in, but I’m glad I learned the story of these people. I’m grateful that you made this video, their story deserves to be more than a footnote of local history sites.
Even in Ohio, unless you lived close to the site, it's not taught. But the Moravians played a large role in settling Tuscarawas, Stark, and Coshocton counties which means this story is well known in most of that area.
One quote has always been true for me “Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it”. Thank you guys for always teaching us about important and under discussed topics
The fact that you can hear the hard-fought battle against tears during the description of the massacre makes this episode hit the hardest you have ever done. Usually, I don't heed viewer discretion, I studied history enough to know that it is terrible even with rose-tinted glasses, but fucking god, this made my blood boil.
There's a disturbing movement to suppress any uncomfortable history being taught in America, especially in schools, but also on the internet. It is imperative that young people (and people in general) be exposed to these stories as much as possible, lest they be forgotten.
The National Park Service ranks this event as a Class A decisive event of the war (the highest rank a military action can achieve). It’s not being suppressed. Just because no one talks about it and people aren’t constantly on social media crying about it as if it happened yesterday doesn’t mean it’s being suppressed. People simply don’t care as it happened over 200 years ago and against a population that is microscopic in modern times.
@@Justin-pe9clBut we as american children are taught about the holocaust as young as grade 3? I never knew anything about this in my own country, yet we are told about other countries atrocities very young
I agree the narrative should be changed, but it shouldn’t be replaced by a “one side good, other side bad” scenario. Take King Phillips war, where both Natives and Colonists killed hundreds in deadly raids towards colonial settlements and native villages. And we talk about some atrocities during the Revolution (though not much) including how we treated loyalists and tax collectors.
This kid is really trying to use King Philip's War as an example to justify trying to play devil's advocate with indigenous genocide. What's next to going to use that to justify the trail of tears too?
I can tell this was hard to read and I can’t imagine how hard it was to research and then type. But this was and is sorely needed. Thank you. The uglier parts of history are absolutely necessary to learn about and remember so that… SOMETHING can be done.
Unfortunately there have been so many, and so many that were never even recorded, that if by 'known' we mean known to most people even of the same country, this is usually impossible
Never once in my educational upbringing have I heard of this. I have to give you guys an immense amount of credit for bringing the knowledge of such a horrendous massacre to light. Sugarcoated and history that’s been locked away like this NEEDS to be shared, and I’m so thankful for your work in doing so.
The problem with saying you were never taught it was because there are much bigger events needing to be taught in small amounts of time. When I learned about the revolution we heard the causes, 5 or so battles, the declaration of independence and the articles of confederation. Then we had to move on. To try constitution and then the war of 1812 and the debate over washington. That's just how it is.
@@RadBaronGA did I ask? Sorry that I’m mildly annoyed that my education system deemed some things larger than others. I was just giving a compliment out.
I’ve heard stories of the American Revolution dozens of times. The fact it took me this long to learn about this heinous war crime is an atrocity in and of itself. As a student of history, I’m grateful to Extra History for this episode and all the other good work they do!
@@lawbringer9857 thats kinda too far. Atleast videos like this are being made inorder to educate people and prevent them from glorifying that part of history while ignoring the atrocities commited
@@lawbringer9857History is written by the victors, but it is refreshing that videos like this can give us a more complete, more nuanced understanding of history than the very simplistic education most of us receive in school.
It is kind of insane how some people in the American Revolution viewed people who have developed their own culture, who were not enemies of either side and who also have the same religion, as subhuman and slaughter children for no reason. These tragedies were not uncommon, and it is a wonder why the revolution bred such a monstrous group of supposed heroes of America.
@@larsdewit6521 Then by your reckoning most human history is evil. Because both Americans, British, and every other peoples of this time period eagerly engaged in this kind of behavior.
Thank you from Italy. We should all collectively go to review all the storytelling of past historic events and restore narration of such episodes. Even if and more so, when theese episodes are deemed as “inconvenient truths” 😢
These type of educational and informative videos are the secret behind the ethical progress of humanity as a whole. It also helps people at even younger ages to comprehend morality of certain events in history and it lays down a foundation to think of how to proceed going up ahead. Overall fantastic video. Great Job Dude :D Edit: I am aware more crimes against humanity like these are taking place daily, I am Pakistani, I am a victim or had been at a certain time in my life as well. I have seen modern day slavery in action, I have seen ethnic cleansings, I have seen and been a victim silencing liberalism by terror organizations not necessarily from Pakistan. Even though it may not have any impact on the current dictatorship or inhuman nations of our world its still important to know that knowledge shapes the future of humanity. Information covered in videos like these is a reason why the children growing these days are not the same heartless monsters we had once been as a collective species. Society progresses and with it, we do as well as a species Thank you for coming to my ted talk
There's no such thing as ethical progress, you are ruled by those who have a monopoly on violence. It has always been so and always will. Violence is the structural principle of human society. ANY human society.
@@KrasMazovHatesYourGutsthe first step to cooperation and intersectionality is acknowledging where the systemic problems lie. How can you even begin to understand the systemic issues that Marginalized groups face when we don't even know the history to it?
@@bryansylvestrew5024 Indeed. You're preaching to the choir. I'm not doubting that violence can be, and has been, a progressive force. I simply reject the notion the previous commenter had that it was the ONLY principle of progress.
there is no ethical progress to humanity. We make the same mistakes again and again, but always say that we've progressed. Not once in history has an era of humanity ever been truly correct in saying that they have progressed, and are better than the previous era of humans.
As a resident of Gnadenhutten this is one of the few important events to happen in this small middle of nowhere area and while that is sad to know that a massacre of innocent natives is one of the most important things to happen around here I am glad a big group like you guys decided to cover it
My history teacher talked about William crawford for I went to the school named after him and his wife and is a local legend in the area with a park detailing william crawford travel in the area along with those who were with him. It's a tragic story for everyone involved.
This makes me truly sad to my very soul that such brutality is wrecked upon those who choose to not take sides. Good that you educate people on those parts of history that arnt talked about among the general public.
More episodes like this would be appreciated. History should not be sanitized and the mistakes of the past should be put on full display so that we do not repeat them.
I’m a pretty historically literate person, but I had never heard of this until now. As a Pennsylvanian, I feel a particular need to be aware of this. Thank you for making this video.
You know it is a crime that this is the first time I'm hearing about this. It's also morally reprehensible. I am so thankful that you all produce these kinds of shows. We ALL should be taught this in school instead of the sugar-coated version we are taught.
As an American I'm glad for this. All countries do this, but sometimes you need another perspective to really see the whole picture. Thank you. Great channel.
That’s what’s I was saying in my head when they started the killings. How can those fuckers call themselves Christians when killing fellow and from what I can see even more faithful Christians. May God cherish their souls in heaven. 💔
Literally the first part of Revelation 2,10: "Be faithful until death[, and I will give you the crown of life.]". And even more bitter, when you notice that "Gnadenhütten" (the original word that ignorantly got butchered into "Ge-naden-hutten") means "huts of grace", and that the village was founded by a pacifist christian brotherhood called "Herrnhüter Brüder" that was as non-violent and deeply settled in the believe as the Amish. Reminds of the massacre of the Catharers, were some "christians" slaughtered other christians they found to be heretic to keep christianity "pure".
Really loved the message at the end. Choosing to immortalise and reinforce only the best parts of a nation's history can lead to horrific results. Sadly, my fellow Russians are yet to learn this lesson, but one can hope...
*"It's just too sad, I don't want to think about it."* - The saying of those who forget, and, by that, allow these tragedies to repeat. Without fail. Time, and time again.
I have huge respect for whomever adopted one of the two survivors of this terrible massacre Yes he could have done more but I still respect him over what positives he did do rather than what tragedies he didn’t prevent or lessen
@@crescent_sun482 And even if they wouldn't have, one can hardly blame him for thinking they would. They just took a vote on whether or not to brutally kill a town full of Christian pacifists down to the last child. I wouldn't be thinking to highly of my fellow militiamen at that point.
I will say that colonial-Native warfare was extremely brutal and not often discussed in history classes. King Phillip's War or Metacom's War killed more people than the entire American Revolution. In these conflicts, it was considered by both sides the struggle for survival, though for the Natives it was literal, and the colonists it was delusional. I feel like the Quakers and Jesusists were the only groups that treated Natives with respect, and even they sometimes screwed them over.
I’ve been studying about King Philip’s War for the first time after I found out while doing my family history that two of my direct ancestors were involved in some rather notorious events during it, for which they eventually paid the price of their lives. It really was a horrible conflict.
I mean, for early colonial warfare, it definitely was a real threat for colonists, but definitely by the time of King Phillip and Metacom, it’s very clear that Eastern America belongs to the colonists.
I really doubt that King Philips War killed more people than the American Revolution; do you have some sources for it? There were only about 65.000 european colonists in New England at the time, facing (different, terribly depopulated) nations of maybe 10.000 Natives, due to the horrible epidemics that the european migration had brought. Meanwhile, at least some 30.000 people died on all sides from the Revolution.
@@malachiphoniex8501 Thanks for letting me know! Turns out he already did a video on one of those ancestors, my 10th great grandfather Richard Waldron.
Wow. I live maybe two hours from there and I'd never heard of this horrible incident. The things they never teach you in school. This was tough to watch/listen to, but thank you, thank you for putting this story out there. It needs to be told.
6:23 "He sits down, weeping, and admits it was no satisfication... at all" Well if that isn't the beginning of a lifetime of PTSD I don't know what is.
I went to Indian Valley highschool in Gnadenhutten… sad not many people know about this tragic event.. also very impressed you pronounced the towns name correctly!
Thanks for a great new episode - even though a dark topic. Yet needed to be remembered. On the side note - this was the first time I heard about Native Moravians… I’ve never realized how far the Moravian Church reached…
When I was in 8th grade, as someone who lives in the state of Pennsylvania and being around some of the most important events in the french and indian war, I was never taught about this in our american History class, I wish this was taught during then, Defenitly know that both sides have committed some strenious crimes.
I appreciate that in this moment where so many are trying to erase and downplay the blood spilled to create this “country” and it’s mythologies, you all are here to help people know and understand more. Appreciate this deeply important work.
@@dominicguye8058 Oh hey just seeing this. You cannot have a real country on land that you stole, genocided, and enslaved everyone for. Even by this “country’s” own laws, the land isn’t the colonizers cause they broke or violated every one of them.
I live around 20 minutes from Gnadenhutten, in a city with a related Moravian mission, and worked at the fort where a lot of these militiamen were based. It’s crazy to see one of my favorite RUclipsrs cover something that seems almost forgotten about except to people in my area. I love it.
I consider myself extremely well versed in history and I had never heard of this. Thanks for bringing it to light. The only way to build a more perfect union is to acknowledge our mistakes, own up to them, and strive to do better.
Thank you so much for covering events like this. It is very important to know and learn from humanities darkest moments. No nation or culture is without sin and wrongdoing. Let us hope that humanity can move forward together. United.
Yep, as a Native Canadian, I want people (especially the US) to remember about the residential schools lopsided treaties and horrific treatment. Canada gets a lot of leeway because people think of them as kind, but that let's them pretend like they did nothing wrong. Yes, give them props for the thing they did right, but also hold them accountable.
We do remember our own reservations and residential schools. There’s an entire exhibit over at the National Museum of the American Indian about the forced integration of Native kids. It’s also common knowledge in my state’s history textbooks.
@@andezong9565 It’s honestly kind of disconcerting that the horrific things done in residential schools are only recently showing up in the mainstream education. They are still finding mass graves to this day.
I am in my second year of college now and this is the first time I have heard of this massacre, I have bee taught about massacres before and after the revolution but never one committed by the revolutionaries. Thank you for making videos on these topics to bring more awareness to them.
We were lucky enough to grow up in the most peaceful time in human history,... If you get into history,.... This kind of stuff is more the norm,.... Tho I'm more familiar with American war crimes like mai lai and Sherman's march, than I am anyone elses
It's vitally important to counter the false narrative that America's birth was immaculate, and this video does a good job of remembering the painful horrors we'd rather forget. Thank you. Please keep this work up.
Tbh, I don't think there is such anyone that believes America's birth was immaculate. If anything most people seem to believe that America's birth was a unique evil.
Crazy how scalping caught on, like who finds out about a practice of cutting off the top of someone's head and goes "yeah, I'm gonna incorporate that into my massacres too".
As someone who learned about the horrors of what truly happened during the American Revolution after high school and because of AC 3, I have been shocked and frustrated to learn that other people do not know or simply refuse to talk about what we as Americans did before, during and after the Revolution. Simply saying that we were the good guys, is an insult to the many Native Americans that lost their lives when we moved west. We killed them because they were in our way, and the fact that that is not talked about more makes me ill. I'm glad to be a fan of Extra History because this is some of the topics that I love to see talked about more...no matter how hard it is to watch. Keep it up guys.!
Thank you for highlighting a perspective forgotten to history. I think the Native American's decision to side with the Confederacy during the ACW is an interesting one and should be discussed more often.
In my high school it was mentioned a few times. Basically it was explained that there were many native slave owners but also that as the south contained more loyalists and most native tribes sided with the British (as well as how the Americans treated them) that the ones that sided with the confederacy believed that it was their safest option. After the war the northerners punished the natives for their actions. But other than a couple times it was hardly mentioned.
I watched the show Libertys Kids as a kid, that's what helped get me into history, specifically American History. I learned a small amount native cheifs like Joseph Brant and Cornstock and his own son. So I'm thankful I learned even a little bit of the ugly side of the revolution. And I'm thankful to keep learning
This stuff needs to be taught more. No more "good guys vs. bad guys" crap, no more glossing over the ... uncomfortable aspects of history. We need to teach the good and the bad, so that we can actually LEARN from history, instead of constantly repeating it.
Thank you for telling this story I live just a town over from colonel Crawford Ohio in Crawford county both named after colonel Crawford. And I’m amazed how often I meet people here who have no idea where the name came from and behave never herd of the massacre i play to visit the site of the massacre this summer.
I knew of this massacre only by its reputation as the one so bad that it pissed off almost everyone, which is quite upsetting as I live 100 miles from Gnadenhutten and didn't know it happened there. I've lived in this state my entire life and taken college-level American History classes.
Oh, a Napoleon in Egypt series? That sounds really exciting! There was the story of him going into the Pyramid and seeing something which left him terrified, but he never revealed what it was. That's always intrigued me.
Thank you for covering this topic, even though I can't imagine how hard it was to research, draw, or read about it. This is exactly the kind of history that will get swept under the rug and erased if we aren't careful. I hadn't ever heard of the Moravians until this episode.
People love to forget part of the reason the Revolution happened wasn’t just because of rising taxes, but because of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which restricted settlement on the continent largely to the pre-defined boundaries of the 13 colonies, while lands to the west were reserved for indigenous peoples. So yeah, America not being able to do another Trail of Tears going 50 years prior and to the north is a fairly important historical footnote
i think is funny how in american history people mention these things are forgotten. here in brazil we overlook a lot of our history but i remember studying atrocities on the triple alliance war, many of the infights between government and militias, WW2 prison camps in brazil,the Quilombos built by ran away slaves and others.
If you are looking for some more interesting American Revolution stuff, frontier raids were extremely common. Upstate New York (my home area, specifically the Adirondacks /Mohawk and Schoharie Valleys) has had many such incidents.. It would make an incredibly interesting series
Can't wait for the Napoleon in Egypt series. I have a great idea for a video. So EC's history videos about specific items like coffee and beer or abstract concepts like money and langue are a hit. I think a video about the arm's race in the cold war talking about the different weapons employed by both sides could be interesting.
I live right outside where this happened. Every year there us a play called trumpet in the land that covers these events. If you're ever through the area it's well worth the watch.
ok, a lot of times I already know about these 'little known' moments in American history' , but I had never heard of any of this. Not gonna lie, it was hard to watch BUT I am still so glad to know this. Please do more like this. The more we know, the more we (can) grow.
Many State administration's have badly damage the content under American History as not more than patriotic rendering and I am glad that content as this helps teach in the historical community the importance of showing that not everything is good or evil. And that some things with good characteristics as the American Revolution also had his downsides.
It is necessary for there to be introspection in our history. No one nation is perfect, and to presume otherwise breeds only hubris and suffering and would only lead to history repeating itself.
Ok, I've never heard of this (though I was aware of massacres of Indigenous people during the War of Independence) and I wish I hadn't; But as you said, it's the parts of history we wish never happened that we need to remember and learn from the most. Truly, If you're learning about the history of something (or someone) and you think "Wow, what a proud and wonderful and glorious history this thing has!" ; You're probably not studying or learning about that person, place, or thing's real story.
At the end of the day as horrible as this tragedy is it really isn't important to having a cursory understanding of the American revolution. That's the real reason it's rarely discussed in schoolbooks, because it didn't really do anything to change what could have been.
Seriously, people acting like suppressing the history for feel good narratives or trying to "both sides" every conflict or genocide literally must have fallen asleep during the history classes on fascism and authoritarianism because that's literally what those are regimes do. But honestly how can I be surprised when it states and nations that have education suppression laws you're literally seeing book burnings 😑😔🚩.
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Please do Texas revolution please extra history please
@@Texanprime Agreed, I'm a descendant of the Saunders and the Milams. The family diaries of them tell a far different story then the whitewashed and myths taught today.
Honestly, both sides committed atrocities against each other. Take King Phillips war, where Native Americans raided several colonial outposts and killed hundreds, with the colonists doing the same in retaliation. Plus we do talk about some atrocities during the revolution including how colonists would publicly mock and essentially torture loyalists and tax collectors.
I went to a Moravian college, worked at two museums in Moravian settlements, and am myself a Quaker. I very much appreciate this video, you did a good job covering a largely unknown tragedy. We do need to talk about these things. Please cover more history like this and explore Quakers and Moravians, the latter don’t get enough attention for their huge role in early America for such a small group.
I also want to say I yelped so loud when this video came up! Fort Pitt also did a lecture series about a month ago just on this massacre.
I would also love to learn more Moravian history. They're mighty interesting folks.
Love your oatmeal!! But for real, yeah. I also wanna know more.
@@dantemoose420 Try the Moravian cookies. They're super thin and tasty.
Please do not use the word tradegy for a massacre. It is highly misleading of what the intentions were behind it.
In popular culture the word "tragedy" normally involves accidents.
I noticed you latter used the word massacre on a reply to self so I know you did not intend to downplay it... ty
“ same mistake can never be repeated again “
That’s why we all should love history.
Which is why US conservatives do everything they can to stop this being tought.
@@timbirch4999 The liberals aren't any different, especially the marxists who want a repeat of what happened all around the world.
@@timbirch4999stop the misinformation
"Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Yes those who DO study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeat it..."
or, some people, like the "Most Moral Army" and "The only democracy in the middle east" who is responsible for USS Liberty,
uses such history as manuals.
As an Ohioan, I was never taught about this. So I had to teach myself, I feel bad that very little people know about this horrible event.
There are way too many horrible events in history to learn. I would rather people not think about them
@@luisfilipe2023and that's how we end up with bigotry and oppression becoming normalized 😑. As the adage goes "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.".
My middle school history teacher talker about this event and how william crawford took the blame for I went to the school named after him
The fact people "didn't want to think about them" is a big reason why nothing was done for so long. We need to be better than our predecessors.
@@luisfilipe2023 Know that what has happened will happen again, and again, and again, and again, because people refuse to learn from what has already occurred. People don't know how these horrible things happen, so they don't know to stop them and often aid in their repeated occurence for the same reasons their ancesters aided the original, in total ignorance of what will happen.
The fact that this kind of stuff is almost never talked about in school makes me so, so sad. Thank you for shedding light on the darker part of our history.
"It's the parts of history that people wish had never happened that are often the parts that need to be the most keenly remembered."
Well said.
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Very commendable that you tackled this subject. It too often gets ignored or minimalized even outside the United States. Great episode.
Why would you think this story should be anything but a footnote outside of America? Just because it is a part of America's founding myth doesn't mean others have to hold it in high historical regard.
I agree.
@@thesecondhat4717 Because outside of America we like to pretend we don't do ankle-deep takes on history. And the fact that a country like the USA was founded on war crimes in addition to everything else really shouldn't be a mere footnote.
@@Peroman200 well it was not founded on war crimes, it had war crimes as part of its foundation. Lets not forget how many died to found England when William showed up, of the war crimes that did found Spain and all their conquests.
@@Peroman200 well at the same time both sides committed war crimes. For example, King Phillips war where both colonists and native Americans killed hundreds. That doesn’t make them justified, but it shows that it wasn’t a one sided story that demonizes the revolutionaries. So it is important to note this as we will see a narrative develop that does the exact same thing.
I worked at the historic site in Gnadenhutten when I graduated high school. Learning of the specifics of the massacre while I worked there was a lot to take in, but I’m glad I learned the story of these people. I’m grateful that you made this video, their story deserves to be more than a footnote of local history sites.
My maternal family is in Gnaden so I remember learning about this going to that little museum as a kid.
I was a history major in college and I was never taught about this. I am forever grateful for learning and embarrassed for not knowing
Even in Ohio, unless you lived close to the site, it's not taught. But the Moravians played a large role in settling Tuscarawas, Stark, and Coshocton counties which means this story is well known in most of that area.
Same! I am 62, and was a History Major in college and never ever heard about this until this video.
I can't even.
One quote has always been true for me “Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it”. Thank you guys for always teaching us about important and under discussed topics
The fact that you can hear the hard-fought battle against tears during the description of the massacre makes this episode hit the hardest you have ever done. Usually, I don't heed viewer discretion, I studied history enough to know that it is terrible even with rose-tinted glasses, but fucking god, this made my blood boil.
There's a disturbing movement to suppress any uncomfortable history being taught in America, especially in schools, but also on the internet.
It is imperative that young people (and people in general) be exposed to these stories as much as possible, lest they be forgotten.
Not kids.
@@Justin-pe9clYes. History must be taught, children must be raised knowing their history.
@@Anverse-14 I respect that, but I think they should be more mature before they start learning about things like this.
The National Park Service ranks this event as a Class A decisive event of the war (the highest rank a military action can achieve).
It’s not being suppressed.
Just because no one talks about it and people aren’t constantly on social media crying about it as if it happened yesterday doesn’t mean it’s being suppressed.
People simply don’t care as it happened over 200 years ago and against a population that is microscopic in modern times.
@@Justin-pe9clBut we as american children are taught about the holocaust as young as grade 3? I never knew anything about this in my own country, yet we are told about other countries atrocities very young
I'm glad you're bringing all of these "obscure" events to light for us all, the standard narrative needs to be corrected whenever possible.
Me too. History must be taught with nuance.
Same man but it’s easier said than done
I have taken two college level US history classes (AP and Dual Credit) and I have never heard of this, very enlightening
I agree the narrative should be changed, but it shouldn’t be replaced by a “one side good, other side bad” scenario. Take King Phillips war, where both Natives and Colonists killed hundreds in deadly raids towards colonial settlements and native villages. And we talk about some atrocities during the Revolution (though not much) including how we treated loyalists and tax collectors.
This kid is really trying to use King Philip's War as an example to justify trying to play devil's advocate with indigenous genocide. What's next to going to use that to justify the trail of tears too?
I can tell this was hard to read and I can’t imagine how hard it was to research and then type. But this was and is sorely needed. Thank you. The uglier parts of history are absolutely necessary to learn about and remember so that… SOMETHING can be done.
Every tragedy needs to be known, no matter how small or far back it may have been 😟
Yes let's stir up that race war !!!yeahaw
Unfortunately there have been so many, and so many that were never even recorded, that if by 'known' we mean known to most people even of the same country, this is usually impossible
Never once in my educational upbringing have I heard of this. I have to give you guys an immense amount of credit for bringing the knowledge of such a horrendous massacre to light. Sugarcoated and history that’s been locked away like this NEEDS to be shared, and I’m so thankful for your work in doing so.
The problem with saying you were never taught it was because there are much bigger events needing to be taught in small amounts of time. When I learned about the revolution we heard the causes, 5 or so battles, the declaration of independence and the articles of confederation. Then we had to move on. To try constitution and then the war of 1812 and the debate over washington. That's just how it is.
@@RadBaronGA did I ask? Sorry that I’m mildly annoyed that my education system deemed some things larger than others. I was just giving a compliment out.
I’ve heard stories of the American Revolution dozens of times. The fact it took me this long to learn about this heinous war crime is an atrocity in and of itself.
As a student of history, I’m grateful to Extra History for this episode and all the other good work they do!
I'm an Ohioan who loves history and I'm surprised I have never heard of this.
Why would you. After all you're just a descendant of a coloniser
@@lawbringer9857 thats kinda too far.
Atleast videos like this are being made inorder to educate people and prevent them from glorifying that part of history while ignoring the atrocities commited
@@lawbringer9857History is written by the victors, but it is refreshing that videos like this can give us a more complete, more nuanced understanding of history than the very simplistic education most of us receive in school.
It is kind of insane how some people in the American Revolution viewed people who have developed their own culture, who were not enemies of either side and who also have the same religion, as subhuman and slaughter children for no reason. These tragedies were not uncommon, and it is a wonder why the revolution bred such a monstrous group of supposed heroes of America.
nothing is truely good or truly evil
The independance war wasn't needed for that. The whole US is build on massacers and mass graves.
@@thomasdaywalt7735 i'm sorry but this seems pretty Truely Evil to me.
In a conflict between two forces, the neutral side is [seen] always [as] the enemy of both sides.
@@larsdewit6521 Then by your reckoning most human history is evil. Because both Americans, British, and every other peoples of this time period eagerly engaged in this kind of behavior.
Thank you from Italy. We should all collectively go to review all the storytelling of past historic events and restore narration of such episodes. Even if and more so, when theese episodes are deemed as “inconvenient truths” 😢
Thank yo so much for supporting the channel! The team is always working hard to inform and educate the community so our past is never forgotten.
These type of educational and informative videos are the secret behind the ethical progress of humanity as a whole. It also helps people at even younger ages to comprehend morality of certain events in history and it lays down a foundation to think of how to proceed going up ahead. Overall fantastic video. Great Job Dude :D
Edit: I am aware more crimes against humanity like these are taking place daily, I am Pakistani, I am a victim or had been at a certain time in my life as well. I have seen modern day slavery in action, I have seen ethnic cleansings, I have seen and been a victim silencing liberalism by terror organizations not necessarily from Pakistan. Even though it may not have any impact on the current dictatorship or inhuman nations of our world its still important to know that knowledge shapes the future of humanity. Information covered in videos like these is a reason why the children growing these days are not the same heartless monsters we had once been as a collective species. Society progresses and with it, we do as well as a species
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
There's no such thing as ethical progress, you are ruled by those who have a monopoly on violence. It has always been so and always will. Violence is the structural principle of human society. ANY human society.
@@thesecondhat4717 No. Cooperation has a much bigger part in it.
@@KrasMazovHatesYourGutsthe first step to cooperation and intersectionality is acknowledging where the systemic problems lie. How can you even begin to understand the systemic issues that Marginalized groups face when we don't even know the history to it?
@@bryansylvestrew5024 Indeed. You're preaching to the choir. I'm not doubting that violence can be, and has been, a progressive force. I simply reject the notion the previous commenter had that it was the ONLY principle of progress.
there is no ethical progress to humanity. We make the same mistakes again and again, but always say that we've progressed. Not once in history has an era of humanity ever been truly correct in saying that they have progressed, and are better than the previous era of humans.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for supporting the small group of creators that make this show possible!
As a resident of Gnadenhutten this is one of the few important events to happen in this small middle of nowhere area and while that is sad to know that a massacre of innocent natives is one of the most important things to happen around here I am glad a big group like you guys decided to cover it
My history teacher talked about William crawford for I went to the school named after him and his wife and is a local legend in the area with a park detailing william crawford travel in the area along with those who were with him. It's a tragic story for everyone involved.
It’s a difficult subject, but it does need to be told
It’s kinda brutal because war always have war crimes
This makes me truly sad to my very soul that such brutality is wrecked upon those who choose to not take sides. Good that you educate people on those parts of history that arnt talked about among the general public.
More episodes like this would be appreciated. History should not be sanitized and the mistakes of the past should be put on full display so that we do not repeat them.
I’m a pretty historically literate person, but I had never heard of this until now. As a Pennsylvanian, I feel a particular need to be aware of this. Thank you for making this video.
Every American should know about this. Regardless of home state or heritage it should be known.
You know it is a crime that this is the first time I'm hearing about this. It's also morally reprehensible. I am so thankful that you all produce these kinds of shows. We ALL should be taught this in school instead of the sugar-coated version we are taught.
As an American I'm glad for this. All countries do this, but sometimes you need another perspective to really see the whole picture. Thank you. Great channel.
True Christians to the bitter end, turning the other cheek, loving their enemies, praying for those who persecuted them.
That’s what’s I was saying in my head when they started the killings. How can those fuckers call themselves Christians when killing fellow and from what I can see even more faithful Christians. May God cherish their souls in heaven. 💔
Had they been Catholic instead of Moravian, that entire village would have been promptly canonized as Martyrs.
Literally the first part of Revelation 2,10: "Be faithful until death[, and I will give you the crown of life.]".
And even more bitter, when you notice that "Gnadenhütten" (the original word that ignorantly got butchered into "Ge-naden-hutten") means "huts of grace", and that the village was founded by a pacifist christian brotherhood called "Herrnhüter Brüder" that was as non-violent and deeply settled in the believe as the Amish.
Reminds of the massacre of the Catharers, were some "christians" slaughtered other christians they found to be heretic to keep christianity "pure".
A very fitting subject for Easter weekend. We need to know more about these uncomfortable historical subjects.
yeah
Really loved the message at the end. Choosing to immortalise and reinforce only the best parts of a nation's history can lead to horrific results. Sadly, my fellow Russians are yet to learn this lesson, but one can hope...
I hope your people are okay and that you are safe along with your Ukrainian cousins I hope you are okay
I to loved the Nebula ad
The nebula ad?
*"It's just too sad, I don't want to think about it."*
- The saying of those who forget, and, by that, allow these tragedies to repeat. Without fail. Time, and time again.
I have huge respect for whomever adopted one of the two survivors of this terrible massacre
Yes he could have done more but I still respect him over what positives he did do rather than what tragedies he didn’t prevent or lessen
I mean... its not like he could stop them if he tried
@@gabrielandradeferraz386 that’s true…
That man probably couldn't have done more, but I agree
I mean, they'd have ganged up on him and killed him if he tried to stop them.
@@crescent_sun482 And even if they wouldn't have, one can hardly blame him for thinking they would. They just took a vote on whether or not to brutally kill a town full of Christian pacifists down to the last child. I wouldn't be thinking to highly of my fellow militiamen at that point.
I will say that colonial-Native warfare was extremely brutal and not often discussed in history classes. King Phillip's War or Metacom's War killed more people than the entire American Revolution. In these conflicts, it was considered by both sides the struggle for survival, though for the Natives it was literal, and the colonists it was delusional. I feel like the Quakers and Jesusists were the only groups that treated Natives with respect, and even they sometimes screwed them over.
I’ve been studying about King Philip’s War for the first time after I found out while doing my family history that two of my direct ancestors were involved in some rather notorious events during it, for which they eventually paid the price of their lives. It really was a horrible conflict.
@Kathy Astrom Aten shei films has extensively covered this topic but I hope someday Extra history does too.
I mean, for early colonial warfare, it definitely was a real threat for colonists, but definitely by the time of King Phillip and Metacom, it’s very clear that Eastern America belongs to the colonists.
I really doubt that King Philips War killed more people than the American Revolution; do you have some sources for it? There were only about 65.000 european colonists in New England at the time, facing (different, terribly depopulated) nations of maybe 10.000 Natives, due to the horrible epidemics that the european migration had brought.
Meanwhile, at least some 30.000 people died on all sides from the Revolution.
@@malachiphoniex8501 Thanks for letting me know! Turns out he already did a video on one of those ancestors, my 10th great grandfather Richard Waldron.
Wow. I live maybe two hours from there and I'd never heard of this horrible incident. The things they never teach you in school. This was tough to watch/listen to, but thank you, thank you for putting this story out there. It needs to be told.
Since you've covered this story from Eastern Ohio, I think the 1879 Ashtabula Train Disaster would make a great topic for EH to cover!
*Thank you for raising awareness*
6:23 "He sits down, weeping, and admits it was no satisfication... at all"
Well if that isn't the beginning of a lifetime of PTSD I don't know what is.
I went to Indian Valley highschool in Gnadenhutten… sad not many people know about this tragic event.. also very impressed you pronounced the towns name correctly!
Thanks for a great new episode - even though a dark topic. Yet needed to be remembered.
On the side note - this was the first time I heard about Native Moravians… I’ve never realized how far the Moravian Church reached…
When I was in 8th grade, as someone who lives in the state of Pennsylvania and being around some of the most important events in the french and indian war, I was never taught about this in our american History class, I wish this was taught during then, Defenitly know that both sides have committed some strenious crimes.
I appreciate that in this moment where so many are trying to erase and downplay the blood spilled to create this “country” and it’s mythologies, you all are here to help people know and understand more. Appreciate this deeply important work.
Why the scarequotes?
@@dominicguye8058 Oh hey just seeing this. You cannot have a real country on land that you stole, genocided, and enslaved everyone for. Even by this “country’s” own laws, the land isn’t the colonizers cause they broke or violated every one of them.
I live around 20 minutes from Gnadenhutten, in a city with a related Moravian mission, and worked at the fort where a lot of these militiamen were based. It’s crazy to see one of my favorite RUclipsrs cover something that seems almost forgotten about except to people in my area. I love it.
May all those innocent lives who were massacred mercilessly Rest In Peace. 😢
May God grant them Paradise
@@filipinordabest Amen
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Amen
@@filipinordabestAmen.
@@filipinordabestAmen.
I consider myself extremely well versed in history and I had never heard of this. Thanks for bringing it to light. The only way to build a more perfect union is to acknowledge our mistakes, own up to them, and strive to do better.
Thank you so much for covering events like this. It is very important to know and learn from humanities darkest moments. No nation or culture is without sin and wrongdoing. Let us hope that humanity can move forward together. United.
Yep, as a Native Canadian, I want people (especially the US) to remember about the residential schools lopsided treaties and horrific treatment. Canada gets a lot of leeway because people think of them as kind, but that let's them pretend like they did nothing wrong. Yes, give them props for the thing they did right, but also hold them accountable.
As a non-Native Canadian, I wholeheartedly agree. We have also done some really f***ed up things to the people we forced treaties upon.
We do remember our own reservations and residential schools. There’s an entire exhibit over at the National Museum of the American Indian about the forced integration of Native kids. It’s also common knowledge in my state’s history textbooks.
@@andezong9565 It’s honestly kind of disconcerting that the horrific things done in residential schools are only recently showing up in the mainstream education. They are still finding mass graves to this day.
As an American I Happy country is nothing like yours and wish only for America to be less like Canada.
Idc lol
I am in my second year of college now and this is the first time I have heard of this massacre, I have bee taught about massacres before and after the revolution but never one committed by the revolutionaries. Thank you for making videos on these topics to bring more awareness to them.
If history doesn't occasionally shock, offend, horrify, and outrage you then you're not studying it deep enough or you're dead inside.
We were lucky enough to grow up in the most peaceful time in human history,... If you get into history,.... This kind of stuff is more the norm,.... Tho I'm more familiar with American war crimes like mai lai and Sherman's march, than I am anyone elses
I must be dead inside.
@@haskelfolks9536Stuff like this continues to happen, though we ignore it just as well as we did back then.
It's vitally important to counter the false narrative that America's birth was immaculate, and this video does a good job of remembering the painful horrors we'd rather forget. Thank you. Please keep this work up.
Tbh, I don't think there is such anyone that believes America's birth was immaculate. If anything most people seem to believe that America's birth was a unique evil.
I know of no such narrative of America's birth being immaculate. America's birth was always depicted as one of blood, pain, and death.
Never heard that. Was more of a Underdog beats greater foe because of a moral calling for freedom and blah blah blah.
Crazy how scalping caught on, like who finds out about a practice of cutting off the top of someone's head and goes "yeah, I'm gonna incorporate that into my massacres too".
As someone who learned about the horrors of what truly happened during the American Revolution after high school and because of AC 3, I have been shocked and frustrated to learn that other people do not know or simply refuse to talk about what we as Americans did before, during and after the Revolution. Simply saying that we were the good guys, is an insult to the many Native Americans that lost their lives when we moved west. We killed them because they were in our way, and the fact that that is not talked about more makes me ill. I'm glad to be a fan of Extra History because this is some of the topics that I love to see talked about more...no matter how hard it is to watch. Keep it up guys.!
As a student of the high school in Gnadenhutten thank you for covering this topic. It’s crazy to think that events like these happened in my backyard.
I love this video. It makes it easier for me to see this country as a real place.
We need more episodes of unapologetic history! Thank you for making this!
Bravo, definitely a highlight of the EH video series. Courageous coverage. I hope this video gets shared a lot.
I have seen this channel grow since its near incipience, but it seriously deserves to grow more
Thank you for highlighting a perspective forgotten to history. I think the Native American's decision to side with the Confederacy during the ACW is an interesting one and should be discussed more often.
In my high school it was mentioned a few times. Basically it was explained that there were many native slave owners but also that as the south contained more loyalists and most native tribes sided with the British (as well as how the Americans treated them) that the ones that sided with the confederacy believed that it was their safest option. After the war the northerners punished the natives for their actions. But other than a couple times it was hardly mentioned.
I watched the show Libertys Kids as a kid, that's what helped get me into history, specifically American History.
I learned a small amount native cheifs like Joseph Brant and Cornstock and his own son.
So I'm thankful I learned even a little bit of the ugly side of the revolution. And I'm thankful to keep learning
“Murdering innocent people didn’t change my thirst for revenge against my murdered father!”
Who would have thought
I love like 30 minutes away from the site of this and have literally never heard about it until this video. Such a tragedy shouldn’t go unnoticed
This stuff needs to be taught more. No more "good guys vs. bad guys" crap, no more glossing over the ... uncomfortable aspects of history. We need to teach the good and the bad, so that we can actually LEARN from history, instead of constantly repeating it.
Thank you for telling this story I live just a town over from colonel Crawford Ohio in Crawford county both named after colonel Crawford. And I’m amazed how often I meet people here who have no idea where the name came from and behave never herd of the massacre i play to visit the site of the massacre this summer.
I knew of this massacre only by its reputation as the one so bad that it pissed off almost everyone, which is quite upsetting as I live 100 miles from Gnadenhutten and didn't know it happened there. I've lived in this state my entire life and taken college-level American History classes.
Thank you for sharing this story. I have no words for how this story changes so much about the revolutionary war, and pacifism in general
Oh, a Napoleon in Egypt series? That sounds really exciting! There was the story of him going into the Pyramid and seeing something which left him terrified, but he never revealed what it was. That's always intrigued me.
Thank you for making this. As you say, telling of horrid events like these is extremely important.
Thank you for covering this topic, even though I can't imagine how hard it was to research, draw, or read about it. This is exactly the kind of history that will get swept under the rug and erased if we aren't careful. I hadn't ever heard of the Moravians until this episode.
Thank you so much for bringing attention to such an evil act that constantly gets completely glossed over.
Really interesting episode about how any crimes are left out of history. Would you be able to do more episodes about these.
Thank you. These things are extremely important to know about one's history. It is important to not mythologize history.
People love to forget part of the reason the Revolution happened wasn’t just because of rising taxes, but because of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which restricted settlement on the continent largely to the pre-defined boundaries of the 13 colonies, while lands to the west were reserved for indigenous peoples. So yeah, America not being able to do another Trail of Tears going 50 years prior and to the north is a fairly important historical footnote
This.. Ending. You nailed it! Absolutely earned my like. Keep up the amazing job, my respect goes beyond what i can put into words.
Props to you guys!!! ❤❤❤
Please, cover more of this kind videos
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
Thanks for this amazing and informative videos guys! You do an outstanding job! love you!
i think is funny how in american history people mention these things are forgotten. here in brazil we overlook a lot of our history but i remember studying atrocities on the triple alliance war, many of the infights between government and militias, WW2 prison camps in brazil,the Quilombos built by ran away slaves and others.
I am a descendant of one of those murders perpetrating the massacre mentioned at the beginning.
It's sickening.
Thank you. First time I have heard of this one. I am left speechless.
If you are looking for some more interesting American Revolution stuff, frontier raids were extremely common.
Upstate New York (my home area, specifically the Adirondacks /Mohawk and Schoharie Valleys) has had many such incidents.. It would make an incredibly interesting series
Thank you. We need to learn from mistakes like this. We NEED to see things like this.
Thank you for speaking the Truth, we all appreciate it and Need this. Everyone needs this information now more than ever.
Thank you guys for doing this episode - it's nice to see that you make the effort to show history with warts and all as it is supposed to be seen.
Can't wait for the Napoleon in Egypt series. I have a great idea for a video. So EC's history videos about specific items like coffee and beer or abstract concepts like money and langue are a hit. I think a video about the arm's race in the cold war talking about the different weapons employed by both sides could be interesting.
I respect that fact that someone has the stomach and courage to talk about something like this too many people find out and sweep it under the rug
For a bit of painful irony: "Gnadenhütten" translates to 'merciful huts'.
I live right outside where this happened. Every year there us a play called trumpet in the land that covers these events. If you're ever through the area it's well worth the watch.
Thanks for the video! You should do one on the Jamestown Massacre next, the biggest single-day massacre in US history of the Indian-settler era
ok, a lot of times I already know about these 'little known' moments in American history' , but I had never heard of any of this. Not gonna lie, it was hard to watch BUT I am still so glad to know this. Please do more like this. The more we know, the more we (can) grow.
Thanks for telling the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it is.
Many State administration's have badly damage the content under American History as not more than patriotic rendering and I am glad that content as this helps teach in the historical community the importance of showing that not everything is good or evil. And that some things with good characteristics as the American Revolution also had his downsides.
That was absolutely nauseating to learn. I can't believe I've never heard of this. Thanks for giving us more context to the birth of our country.
I appreciate this video greatly. The importance of knowledge and learning from our past cannot be said enough.
It is necessary for there to be introspection in our history. No one nation is perfect, and to presume otherwise breeds only hubris and suffering and would only lead to history repeating itself.
Ok, I've never heard of this (though I was aware of massacres of Indigenous people during the War of Independence) and I wish I hadn't; But as you said, it's the parts of history we wish never happened that we need to remember and learn from the most.
Truly, If you're learning about the history of something (or someone) and you think "Wow, what a proud and wonderful and glorious history this thing has!" ; You're probably not studying or learning about that person, place, or thing's real story.
At the end of the day as horrible as this tragedy is it really isn't important to having a cursory understanding of the American revolution. That's the real reason it's rarely discussed in schoolbooks, because it didn't really do anything to change what could have been.
I have never actually legitimately felt nauseous after watching anything on this channel for 4 years until today
We can't make a better future without remembering and learning from the past 🧡🕊️
Seriously, people acting like suppressing the history for feel good narratives or trying to "both sides" every conflict or genocide literally must have fallen asleep during the history classes on fascism and authoritarianism because that's literally what those are regimes do. But honestly how can I be surprised when it states and nations that have education suppression laws you're literally seeing book burnings 😑😔🚩.
Thank you for not sugarcoating history for us.
To get the whole story sometimes you have to read about the good, the bad, and the ugly.