To clarify this three week long comment of the week: the original comment was in reference to Richard and Seth stating that Tomer should die first for playing Ruination, then Crim for suggesting MLD. If a sharp and effective strategy is pitched, the response is usually that the table will exclusively focus you. However, if everyone at the table is doing powerful stuff, is this a good argument? Sometimes one person has smothering tithe, one person opens the way for 6, and one person has necropotence out but only drew to 7 from 2 in hand. The smothering tithe player is also running ruination in his deck. Now consider that the strongest deck is to your right, so the other 2 players get to untap and deal with it too. Who do you focus then? Is it an easy choice? It just feels like a Tomer/Crim dies to doom blade argument. I’d love to see an actual discussion on the merits of running basics versus non-basics without it being reductive. That’s all!
I think the steelman version of their argument are cards that generate a lot more hate than is worth for their quality, e.g. Strixhaven Stadium. While it is true that not everything will cause people to kill you on sight, that doesn’t mean there aren’t cards that will get you targeted.
Well put. I've been frustrated by this podcast for years by that being a go to reason to not play something and I'm glad they are finally starting to address it.
The response to this is that you need to be advancing your game plan such that if attention shifts towards you, you can either fight back or win the game before your opponents can kill you. LD played as disruption sets everyone back without also removing their ability to fight back. A boardwipe will get everyone mad at you, but they can't do anything about it because their creatures are dead but if you destroy their lands, they can still hit you. Also, as long as LD is not mainstream, you present a unique threat to resources and eliminating you eliminates the possibility of you doing so in a way that killing a player doesn't completely eliminate the chances for a wrath.
@@TheChiefKipSavage I do think this is a relevant thing, though, like I don’t play smothering tie or Necro potence because I don’t really think they’re worth the amount of hate you get and I don’t play combo. Some cards like oppression are super good but they’ll get you focused out real fast. People need to know about these cards so that they have the proper ideas in terms of deck building and what they should and shouldn’t be scared of playing. I think the real problem is when it’s applied to things that don’t necessarily take over the game in a way that presents a clear and obvious on board wincon. I need to know what the real things to watch out for her, not oh geez I’m gonna get focused because I ramped two lands out or have a guardian project.
2:45 LOL the point is you guys are doing the commander version of "well it dies to doomblade" every time someone names a card. Yes, maybe I play a good card and everyone kills me...theres also the possibility that I play a good card and untap with it. :O The duality of man.
"think of the colourless mana, it's so hard to get!" ... in the format with Sol Ring and Mana Crypt and Mana Vault and Grim Monolith and Basalt Monolith all legal.
@@calvinbarboza True, but many people do not enjoy ending the game with a win but instead having fun trying to win the game. I would not play Eldrazi, but do not hate on those who have fun trying to play big colorless creatures.
@@akihitokoizumi2474 I think Eldrazi are fine, just not at the same tables you are playing Mana Crypt and Basalt Monolith. If you are playing that level of Fast mana you are playing Big Boy Magic. I don’t mind Eldrazi, it’s my brother and roommate’s favorite archetype so I play against them frequently and have fun.
All the Talismans, Thought Vessel, Mind Stone, overflowing chalice all are played often and produce the "dreaded" colorless too let alone a lot of the utility lands like Myriad landscape, "pain" lands or Reliquiary tower. Colorless mana is so easy to make that 2 pips is not hard to coincidentally to have
Ive never seen someone double down so much like Richard did with his "but your opponents will just kill you" opinion. I dont think I've ever seen someone call Void Winnower bad 😂
16:04 - "[it] needs a haste enabler" I'm just imagining Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre leaning down to try to fit two of its tentacles into a pair of Lightning Greaves.
The Pain Lands, Filter Lands, and Talismans are ways you can run the colorless costing Eldrazi while maintaining your colors. I imagine that the new Modern Horizons 3 WUBRG Eldrazi deck will have other lands to help out in that regard.
My absolute favorite thing to do with Oblivion Sower is to steal someone’s imprinted land from Extraplanar lens. It’s even more satisfying than blowing up the lens.
Emrakul the Promised End is S-tier imo, because if you get someone to attack their commander into emrakul, you can choose not to put their commander back into the command zone.
I agree Emrakul is good but I strongly dislike that they changed the rules on your commander like that. It used to be that the owner made the decision on their commander returning to command zone even if someone else was controlling it but you also used to be able to shuffle commanders. I really think many of the rules committee decisions have been negative and wish we could go back to an earlier commander ruleset.
@@patriciaboggs8882 I don't really think it's a rules issue. It specifically says you control the player during their turn. Very different from like a threaten into sacrifice.
Zhulodok is one of my favorite commanders because it feels like I'm running an Eldrazi grift lol. Cascading into either ramp or slightly smaller Eldrazi bruisers feels so great lol.
I hope next commander clash you guys do is based on trying to control other players and make them lose or kill the other players for you!!!! That would be awesome to watch!!!!
An overlooked aspect of Emrakul and Mindslaver's wording is that since you control the player, you are able to decide whether or not the commander is returned to the command zone. Casting Path to Exile on your opponent's commander, leaving it in exile, and failing to find the land, can be enough to shut entire decks out of the game permanently.
Arena has taught me Emrakul the Promised End also lets you decide where their commander goes when you control their turn. Leave it in exile, or shuffle it into the deck? Absolutely Brutal S tier
It That Betrays works with opponents' sacrificing their own things, e.g. fetchlands, Sakura Tribe Elder, Evoke triggers, Blitz, Emerge, the new MH3 free spell cycle, etc. Not sure it raises the ranking but you definitely don't have to play black to take advantage of it!
I dont think this was really touched on for Newlamog, but what really scares me about the Exile 20 effect, from when I first started playing, to even now, is that it's on an attack trigger. You dont even have to connect with the thing, you just have to swing, which you're GONNA do, it's an indestructible 10/10. That's what gives me nightmares about that card the most
My favorite thing about OG titans was being able to sack them to greater good to avoid removal spells and draw a bunch of cards. Then being able to tutor for them with eye of ugin.
Out of all the printed eldrazi the one I find to be generically best with play wasn't even mentioned. Emrakul's Hatcher is fairly good for most scenarios. It makes bodies that are easy to sac, it can be be a ritual for a following turn, and it is really good to flicker to keep going in a turn
Emrakul, the Promised End is an S-tier in my book. Richard has clearly not played this card enough to see how devastating this is. Burning their best cards and getting to run their creatures into terrible attacks. It is very hard to look at this card and not be impressed with the damage it can do.
Richard: “We need to go back to It that Betrays times and play more casually” Also Richard: “You can’t play cards like void winnower unless they immediately win the game”
I find a bit funny how much Seth values Annihilator and he joins Richard in the argument of "if you play this card you will become archenemy" and a Annihilator Eldrazi titan will for sure make you archenemy.
From a purely competitive perspective Richard is right in how he sees the format and evaluates cards. However I think that is ALSO the mindset that leads the crew to play the same cards over and over again...
For a while there was a push toward odd cmc board wipes as we got all these Wrath of God+ cards. But now efficiency has come around, people like Planar Cleansings, and so all the wraths are even again. Winnower turning off all but like two played ones is nuts.
Here's some tricky but FUN things to do with Void Winnower. Make a copy of it. Then use an old school spell that changes the text of one word with another, switch even with odd on one of your Void Winnowers, now everyone is locked out and can't block ever.
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This episode will need a sequel in less than a month with MH3 commander coming.
Richard: you shouldn’t play cards that put a target on your back unless they win you the game Also Richard: we should play more kozelek butcher of truth for the card draw
Too soon. If you had waited for the first day of official MH3 spoilers, you would have had [Ulamog, the Defiler] in the list as well. [Ulamog, the Defiler]{10} * When you cast this spell, target opponent exiles half their library, rounded up. * Ward - Sacrifice two permanents. * Ulamog, the Defiler enters the battlefield with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the greatest mana value among cards in exile. * Ulamog, the Defiler has annihilator X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
Oh, how I miss having side boards in commander. In my Melek, Izzet Paragon deck, I used to run Coax from the Blind Eternities as a win con with my Eldrazi Board. The plan was to storm off and just make an insane amount of mana and then grab Spawnsire of Ulamog to use its ability to cast the rest of my Eldrazi board. If All is Dust and It That Betrays wasn't enough to win, all the Eldrazi Titans sure was.
"Dies to doomblade" is already a meme for being a bad argument. Half of Richard's arguments are "dies to board wipes." MAYBE it's slightly valid in your playgroup but NOT in the wild.
Thought a cool podcast episode idea would be discussing and ranking the “coolest” cards in mtg, not necessarily the most powerful. For example, Worldslayer has a 10 total cast/equip and still needs to swing to trigger, but aesthetically it’s one of the coolest cards in mtg.
I think too much of your evaluation here is absent an Eldrazi Tribal build. A LOT of Eldrazi don't do much without being in a deck that is designed to play Eldrazi. However, when you put them into a deck that is built to synergize and power out these giants working together then they break each other open. Also, there are a couple different groups of Eldrazi cards that go together, but don't go with others. It would be interesting if you guys re-did this, thinking specifically about building a dedicated Eldrazi deck.
Lol guys you have to stop with these "what about" arguments. Yes, there's literally an answer for every situation in magic, I don't think that should determine if a card is good or not 😂. There's a situation for every card in magic to not be good.
Rakdos the Muscle LOVES Oblivion Sower! Just focus down someone's deck with a few of his exile triggers, then snag all those lands and start casting their cards all at once XD
Herigast goes really hard in an eldrazi deck if you play cards like up the beanstalk or the new kozilek’s unsealing and you can basically chain your entire deck
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth isn't quite as big as Seth's cat. As far as Kozilek, the Great Distortion is concerned, it sure would be nice if Eldrazi Temple or Sol Ring tapped for 2 colorless mana. The clause on Herigast that says "each creature spell you cast has emerge; the emerge cost is equal to the its mana cost" really sells that card. Void Winnower was great from day one.
The aggro eldrazi get you can get irrational at certain points. The one time I ever managed to cast new Kozilek on a board with an elfball and a goblin deck that were completely out of control everyone ganged up on me, even though I was 100% doing the worst. My other creature was a Krosan Tusker! After they killed me, the elf died to the goblin and the goblin died to niv+curiosity. Ah, good times.
29:47 can't believe I'm agreeing with Richard but I've been saying this for ages. Controlling an opponent is a deceptively weak effect because if an opponent puts a card in their deck, it's probably beneficial to them. So most of the things you can do when controlling your opponent is still beneficial to them. You often just end up passing the controlled turn (what are you gonna do, cast my permanents for me? Sure, thanks for the extra turn lol) and Emrakul just ends up being a 13/13 pseudo vanilla.
Richard forgot about a few really important things. You can swing with their commander into Emrakul and cause it to hit the graveyard instead of going back to the command zone. You can potentially exile it or put it back into their deck (depending on if they're running tutors or graveyard access). All of these are devastating. You can eat up all their treasure tokens or use abilities to sacrifice their creatures without them getting value off it. You can use cards that would target them for their own benefit on you instead. And while you can't reveal their hand, you can verbally tell the entire table what cards they have. There are many more things I'm not thinking of that you can do.
Annihilator is way better than richard gives it credit there was a recent game seth had to sac 3 permants and was set so far back Plus with ulamog is indestructible which is still difficult to kill
This list is an absolute tragedy and just goes to show you guys never really play Eldrazi! Zhulodok is BY FAR the best Eldrazi commander atm and it's not even close!!! The new Ulamog, which is absolutely bonkers might I add, and the new Kozilek aren't even included, as well as so many other Eldrazi cards.
No, she says protection from spells and (protection) from permanents cast this turn. So you can't cast Leyline Binding and target her. But if you sneak a Leyline Binding into play, you can target her.
55:22 I agree with Richard here. This argument doesn’t apply to all good cards, but it does apply to cards that annoy or scare people without actually stopping or killing them. As an example, last night, I saw Grand Arbiter get removed when my entire board was clearly more threatening.
Fast mana is super important, if built right you should have these big eldrazi coming out turn 4 or so on average. Considering how early or late you can get them out in the game makes a huge difference to how well each of them play and how useful they are. Because of this I put Ulamog very low and actually took them out of my eldrazi deck to let me ramp faster. Pretty much what Tomer briefly touches on at 20 mins.
I like OG Kozilek and Ulamog, Ceaseless Hunger in any deck where I’m running symmetrical mill effects to protect against milling myself out before I find Jace or lab man and to exile other people’s reshuffle effects. They put in work in those decks.
I feel like Nulldrifter was undervalued. Though some of the unknown-at-the-time MH3 cards that support it weren't available... cards that do support it existed! It can be evoked to set off cards that care about 7 mana value colorless/eldrazi spells and then you can emerge at flash speed to get another cast trigger and have a big body.
it feels like everyone forgets that you have 98 other cards in your deck you can pair with. pair oblivion sower with that eldrazi who exiles 20 cards from a player. then you get all their lands you exiled. and its almost certain your gonna get a ton of land
Kozilek the Great Distortion actually _does_ suffer from the "if you play it people will target you" problem. It looks super threatening, but usually can't protect itself for long. 7 cards feels like a lot, but when you have to pick and chose what to hold and what to play, those cards go quick (and that's assuming you even were able to set up the ideal draw 7). Add in the wingdings mana cost and the mediocre menace, and he's really more of an A than an S. "If Mulldrifter was a cast trigger, would you play it in any deck?" Yes, Animar. I'll take 5, in fact.
It would be cool to see a "combination" tier list with eldrazi plus Ulalek's copy ability. Listen, I played Emrakul, world anew, with Ulalek's copy ability while Echoes of Eternity was in play, and let's just say that my friends didn't appreciate that play xD
I think you guys are looking at the promised end in the idea of 60 card formats. For Richard and Seth it is like a main phase Teferi’s protection from one player minimum. And you don’t necessarily need to spend the turn doing as much damage as possible to the person you mindslaver, you use their turn to kill your opponents and leave them open for you to finish them off.
Sire of Stagnation is a pretty sweet one you guys missed, felt like it got a lot of play when it came out but not as much anymore. It also combos well with Oblivion Sower because it constantly exiles your opponents' cards
Nulamog is better than og kozilek for sure! Two very different bombs with their own homes but the indestructible and spot removal x2 has crazy crazy UTILITY which is what a singleton player craves most....
To modify Richard's Nerf gun analogy, you're not bringing a black Nerf gun to a store, you're bringing a black Nerf gun to a black Nerf gun fight. Yours isn't any more special or scary than anyone else's.
Im surprised they mention Emrakul the Promised End's Utility of being able to make a deal to give someone just an extra turn in essence to kill another player.
To clarify this three week long comment of the week:
the original comment was in reference to Richard and Seth stating that Tomer should die first for playing Ruination, then Crim for suggesting MLD.
If a sharp and effective strategy is pitched, the response is usually that the table will exclusively focus you. However, if everyone at the table is doing powerful stuff, is this a good argument? Sometimes one person has smothering tithe, one person opens the way for 6, and one person has necropotence out but only drew to 7 from 2 in hand. The smothering tithe player is also running ruination in his deck.
Now consider that the strongest deck is to your right, so the other 2 players get to untap and deal with it too.
Who do you focus then? Is it an easy choice?
It just feels like a Tomer/Crim dies to doom blade argument.
I’d love to see an actual discussion on the merits of running basics versus non-basics without it being reductive. That’s all!
I think the steelman version of their argument are cards that generate a lot more hate than is worth for their quality, e.g. Strixhaven Stadium.
While it is true that not everything will cause people to kill you on sight, that doesn’t mean there aren’t cards that will get you targeted.
Upvote for real clarity on week 3
Well put. I've been frustrated by this podcast for years by that being a go to reason to not play something and I'm glad they are finally starting to address it.
The response to this is that you need to be advancing your game plan such that if attention shifts towards you, you can either fight back or win the game before your opponents can kill you. LD played as disruption sets everyone back without also removing their ability to fight back. A boardwipe will get everyone mad at you, but they can't do anything about it because their creatures are dead but if you destroy their lands, they can still hit you. Also, as long as LD is not mainstream, you present a unique threat to resources and eliminating you eliminates the possibility of you doing so in a way that killing a player doesn't completely eliminate the chances for a wrath.
@@TheChiefKipSavage I do think this is a relevant thing, though, like I don’t play smothering tie or Necro potence because I don’t really think they’re worth the amount of hate you get and I don’t play combo.
Some cards like oppression are super good but they’ll get you focused out real fast. People need to know about these cards so that they have the proper ideas in terms of deck building and what they should and shouldn’t be scared of playing.
I think the real problem is when it’s applied to things that don’t necessarily take over the game in a way that presents a clear and obvious on board wincon. I need to know what the real things to watch out for her, not oh geez I’m gonna get focused because I ramped two lands out or have a guardian project.
Richard and Seth still not understanding has moved from comedy to tragedy.
We must keep this as top comment!
This string of comments remains top comment until they understand
Theirs is the “dies to doom blade” of edh takes
Mtg Goldfish brain
Which in itself, is comedy
Richard and Seth having an actual goldfish memory for past comments of the week make it even funnier
That's where the name comes from, our goldfish like memory ;)
2:45 LOL the point is you guys are doing the commander version of "well it dies to doomblade" every time someone names a card. Yes, maybe I play a good card and everyone kills me...theres also the possibility that I play a good card and untap with it. :O The duality of man.
I really enjoyed what Crim had to say in all of this.
indeed. first time I agree with everything Crim said. dude was on point this ep
@@_claymoretbf i think crim normally has good takes besides when hes obviously trolling
@@kingofsaltt3836 I guess he's just always trolling.
Anytime bby
"think of the colourless mana, it's so hard to get!" ... in the format with Sol Ring and Mana Crypt and Mana Vault and Grim Monolith and Basalt Monolith all legal.
Also many new lands tap for colorless
If you are playing at a power level with all those cards, dropping an Eldrazi is probably the most pathetic play you could have.
@@calvinbarboza True, but many people do not enjoy ending the game with a win but instead having fun trying to win the game. I would not play Eldrazi, but do not hate on those who have fun trying to play big colorless creatures.
@@akihitokoizumi2474 I think Eldrazi are fine, just not at the same tables you are playing Mana Crypt and Basalt Monolith. If you are playing that level of Fast mana you are playing Big Boy Magic. I don’t mind Eldrazi, it’s my brother and roommate’s favorite archetype so I play against them frequently and have fun.
All the Talismans, Thought Vessel, Mind Stone, overflowing chalice all are played often and produce the "dreaded" colorless too let alone a lot of the utility lands like Myriad landscape, "pain" lands or Reliquiary tower. Colorless mana is so easy to make that 2 pips is not hard to coincidentally to have
Ive never seen someone double down so much like Richard did with his "but your opponents will just kill you" opinion. I dont think I've ever seen someone call Void Winnower bad 😂
16:04 - "[it] needs a haste enabler"
I'm just imagining Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre leaning down to try to fit two of its tentacles into a pair of Lightning Greaves.
The Pain Lands, Filter Lands, and Talismans are ways you can run the colorless costing Eldrazi while maintaining your colors. I imagine that the new Modern Horizons 3 WUBRG Eldrazi deck will have other lands to help out in that regard.
I like that Seth mentions that 20 isn't much in Commander because now the newest ulamog mills half. Wizards listened.
My absolute favorite thing to do with Oblivion Sower is to steal someone’s imprinted land from Extraplanar lens. It’s even more satisfying than blowing up the lens.
That's so savage and I love it.
That's awesome.
Emrakul the Promised End is S-tier imo, because if you get someone to attack their commander into emrakul, you can choose not to put their commander back into the command zone.
Richard always speak in hyperbole and extreme narrow scenarios.
Most underrated line of play with her. I play her as my commander and getting hit by that trigger is basically GG.
I agree Emrakul is good but I strongly dislike that they changed the rules on your commander like that. It used to be that the owner made the decision on their commander returning to command zone even if someone else was controlling it but you also used to be able to shuffle commanders. I really think many of the rules committee decisions have been negative and wish we could go back to an earlier commander ruleset.
I have a deck with her, and it feels so amazing to kill someone with their own toxic deluge or draw their whole deck and then not thassa's oracle
@@patriciaboggs8882 I don't really think it's a rules issue. It specifically says you control the player during their turn. Very different from like a threaten into sacrifice.
Zhulodok is one of my favorite commanders because it feels like I'm running an Eldrazi grift lol. Cascading into either ramp or slightly smaller Eldrazi bruisers feels so great lol.
The timing on this is really unfortunate with the new Ulamog getting spoilt today.
I hope next commander clash you guys do is based on trying to control other players and make them lose or kill the other players for you!!!! That would be awesome to watch!!!!
Tomer I appreciate you understanding, Richard I deny your disqualification.
Richard and Seth *still* not getting this whole comment chain has to be intentional at this point, there's no way they both forget each week
Tomer on point with every opinion as usual!
I am glad that I've made a running joke on this podcast.
An overlooked aspect of Emrakul and Mindslaver's wording is that since you control the player, you are able to decide whether or not the commander is returned to the command zone. Casting Path to Exile on your opponent's commander, leaving it in exile, and failing to find the land, can be enough to shut entire decks out of the game permanently.
This is like watching my grandma progress through dementia, but arguably more painful.
Arena has taught me Emrakul the Promised End also lets you decide where their commander goes when you control their turn. Leave it in exile, or shuffle it into the deck? Absolutely Brutal S tier
It That Betrays works with opponents' sacrificing their own things, e.g. fetchlands, Sakura Tribe Elder, Evoke triggers, Blitz, Emerge, the new MH3 free spell cycle, etc. Not sure it raises the ranking but you definitely don't have to play black to take advantage of it!
Annihilator makes defending player sacrifice permanents. It's like they forgot they were talking about eldrazi.
I think the biggest point in it's favor is that it's a great reanimate target. Even sneak attack is pretty nice.
I dont think this was really touched on for Newlamog, but what really scares me about the Exile 20 effect, from when I first started playing, to even now, is that it's on an attack trigger. You dont even have to connect with the thing, you just have to swing, which you're GONNA do, it's an indestructible 10/10. That's what gives me nightmares about that card the most
And yeah you can say the same about annihilator, but I do think the exile 20 is more detrimental to someone
No one is mentioning NEWlamog as colorless removal? Exile two things in any color is so good for any color
My favorite thing about OG titans was being able to sack them to greater good to avoid removal spells and draw a bunch of cards. Then being able to tutor for them with eye of ugin.
Out of all the printed eldrazi the one I find to be generically best with play wasn't even mentioned. Emrakul's Hatcher is fairly good for most scenarios. It makes bodies that are easy to sac, it can be be a ritual for a following turn, and it is really good to flicker to keep going in a turn
Emrakul, The Promised End has the ability to exile your commander permanently.
Holy shit
Don’t all spells that allow you to take control of an opponent’s turn?
@@Jlizard27 Yes.
You do still need another effect to exile it, but even putting it in the yard is often lights out for a commander centric deck.
Emrakul, the Promised End is an S-tier in my book. Richard has clearly not played this card enough to see how devastating this is. Burning their best cards and getting to run their creatures into terrible attacks. It is very hard to look at this card and not be impressed with the damage it can do.
Richard: “We need to go back to It that Betrays times and play more casually”
Also Richard: “You can’t play cards like void winnower unless they immediately win the game”
Sometimes listening to the goldfish podcast is like Kozilek giving me 4 new brain cells while simultaneously annihilating 4 others.
My abaddon deck got Emrakuled once. They used my deck to storm off, casted like 20 spells, and killed me with Kambal triggers. It was pretty funny.
Any Eldrazi that I can afford is an S-Tier Eldrazi!
What about proxies?
@jackl8025 any recommendations for proxies that look close to real?
Well, now a days the price on them has come down a bit, especially the newest Titan incarnations.
I find a bit funny how much Seth values Annihilator and he joins Richard in the argument of "if you play this card you will become archenemy" and a Annihilator Eldrazi titan will for sure make you archenemy.
1:06:28 What about Sire of Stagnation????? A-tier despite its lack of casting trigger or annihilator :-)
From a purely competitive perspective Richard is right in how he sees the format and evaluates cards. However I think that is ALSO the mindset that leads the crew to play the same cards over and over again...
Richard never stopped trying to Jund them out.
Void winnower also stops cyclonic cheese, which, for me is invaluable.
For a while there was a push toward odd cmc board wipes as we got all these Wrath of God+ cards. But now efficiency has come around, people like Planar Cleansings, and so all the wraths are even again. Winnower turning off all but like two played ones is nuts.
You guys treating colorless pips are some “rare and unobtainable treasure” is mind blowing.
I get it to a degree, but so many non-basics and mana rocks generate colorless lol.
Here's some tricky but FUN things to do with Void Winnower. Make a copy of it. Then use an old school spell that changes the text of one word with another, switch even with odd on one of your Void Winnowers, now everyone is locked out and can't block ever.
This episode will need a sequel in less than a month with MH3 commander coming.
Richard: you shouldn’t play cards that put a target on your back unless they win you the game
Also Richard: we should play more kozelek butcher of truth for the card draw
Too soon. If you had waited for the first day of official MH3 spoilers, you would have had [Ulamog, the Defiler] in the list as well.
[Ulamog, the Defiler]{10}
* When you cast this spell, target opponent exiles half their library, rounded up.
* Ward - Sacrifice two permanents.
* Ulamog, the Defiler enters the battlefield with a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the greatest mana value among cards in exile.
* Ulamog, the Defiler has annihilator X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
Oh, how I miss having side boards in commander. In my Melek, Izzet Paragon deck, I used to run Coax from the Blind Eternities as a win con with my Eldrazi Board. The plan was to storm off and just make an insane amount of mana and then grab Spawnsire of Ulamog to use its ability to cast the rest of my Eldrazi board. If All is Dust and It That Betrays wasn't enough to win, all the Eldrazi Titans sure was.
It’s an insult to Eldrazi players to not have Zhulodok in S tier
"Dies to doomblade" is already a meme for being a bad argument. Half of Richard's arguments are "dies to board wipes." MAYBE it's slightly valid in your playgroup but NOT in the wild.
Void Winnower stops Farewell. S Tier
Thought a cool podcast episode idea would be discussing and ranking the “coolest” cards in mtg, not necessarily the most powerful. For example, Worldslayer has a 10 total cast/equip and still needs to swing to trigger, but aesthetically it’s one of the coolest cards in mtg.
I think too much of your evaluation here is absent an Eldrazi Tribal build. A LOT of Eldrazi don't do much without being in a deck that is designed to play Eldrazi. However, when you put them into a deck that is built to synergize and power out these giants working together then they break each other open. Also, there are a couple different groups of Eldrazi cards that go together, but don't go with others. It would be interesting if you guys re-did this, thinking specifically about building a dedicated Eldrazi deck.
Lol guys you have to stop with these "what about" arguments. Yes, there's literally an answer for every situation in magic, I don't think that should determine if a card is good or not 😂. There's a situation for every card in magic to not be good.
17:20 @Richard why would you go draw 4 over exile 2 of any permanent when you can draw 3 for 3 mana in white?
Rakdos the Muscle LOVES Oblivion Sower! Just focus down someone's deck with a few of his exile triggers, then snag all those lands and start casting their cards all at once XD
I came here expecting for Eldrazi, but you won me with Seth's cat 😬
Herigast goes really hard in an eldrazi deck if you play cards like up the beanstalk or the new kozilek’s unsealing and you can basically chain your entire deck
“Oh my gosh is this Crim here!? It’s 4 things you don’t care about!!”
Hilarious
I do like that a Nulldrifter can trigger the graveyard effect of a Kozilek's Return.
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth isn't quite as big as Seth's cat. As far as Kozilek, the Great Distortion is concerned, it sure would be nice if Eldrazi Temple or Sol Ring tapped for 2 colorless mana. The clause on Herigast that says "each creature spell you cast has emerge; the emerge cost is equal to the its mana cost" really sells that card. Void Winnower was great from day one.
The aggro eldrazi get you can get irrational at certain points. The one time I ever managed to cast new Kozilek on a board with an elfball and a goblin deck that were completely out of control everyone ganged up on me, even though I was 100% doing the worst. My other creature was a Krosan Tusker! After they killed me, the elf died to the goblin and the goblin died to niv+curiosity. Ah, good times.
Sire of Stagnation! Punishment for the land-rampers and card draw in one.
29:47 can't believe I'm agreeing with Richard but I've been saying this for ages. Controlling an opponent is a deceptively weak effect because if an opponent puts a card in their deck, it's probably beneficial to them. So most of the things you can do when controlling your opponent is still beneficial to them. You often just end up passing the controlled turn (what are you gonna do, cast my permanents for me? Sure, thanks for the extra turn lol) and Emrakul just ends up being a 13/13 pseudo vanilla.
Richard forgot about a few really important things.
You can swing with their commander into Emrakul and cause it to hit the graveyard instead of going back to the command zone. You can potentially exile it or put it back into their deck (depending on if they're running tutors or graveyard access). All of these are devastating.
You can eat up all their treasure tokens or use abilities to sacrifice their creatures without them getting value off it. You can use cards that would target them for their own benefit on you instead.
And while you can't reveal their hand, you can verbally tell the entire table what cards they have.
There are many more things I'm not thinking of that you can do.
Annihilator is way better than richard gives it credit there was a recent game seth had to sac 3 permants and was set so far back
Plus with ulamog is indestructible which is still difficult to kill
This list is an absolute tragedy and just goes to show you guys never really play Eldrazi!
Zhulodok is BY FAR the best Eldrazi commander atm and it's not even close!!!
The new Ulamog, which is absolutely bonkers might I add, and the new Kozilek aren't even included, as well as so many other Eldrazi cards.
With the new emrakul it says spells cast this turn but it’s always this turn how does that work
No, she says protection from spells and (protection) from permanents cast this turn. So you can't cast Leyline Binding and target her. But if you sneak a Leyline Binding into play, you can target her.
So, question, can you crack a treasure in response to the sacrifice trigger?
55:22 I agree with Richard here. This argument doesn’t apply to all good cards, but it does apply to cards that annoy or scare people without actually stopping or killing them. As an example, last night, I saw Grand Arbiter get removed when my entire board was clearly more threatening.
My favourite is Ulamog's Crusher. Best pauper beater.
Fast mana is super important, if built right you should have these big eldrazi coming out turn 4 or so on average. Considering how early or late you can get them out in the game makes a huge difference to how well each of them play and how useful they are.
Because of this I put Ulamog very low and actually took them out of my eldrazi deck to let me ramp faster. Pretty much what Tomer briefly touches on at 20 mins.
i need the Battle for Zendikar/Gatewatch set for Arena
49:00 cant you just chain a bunch of casttriggers by repeatedly saccung the bew thing to emerge?
World breaker?
With Ceaseless Hunger not just milling but exiling those twenty cards, that puts it over the top for me. Goodbye recursion!
I like OG Kozilek and Ulamog, Ceaseless Hunger in any deck where I’m running symmetrical mill effects to protect against milling myself out before I find Jace or lab man and to exile other people’s reshuffle effects. They put in work in those decks.
Every card has an answer therefore every card is bad 😂
I’m a dirty zhuly player it really isn’t that hard to ramp
Seth @16:40 sometimes there's a player at the table who's already losing and then this card is good!
27:02 Me whenever a new @MTGGoldfish Commander video drops
I love Oblivion Sower. I play it in my Kozi deck. I dont think iv ever got less then 2 lands in the countless games iv played. It always feels great
I feel like Nulldrifter was undervalued. Though some of the unknown-at-the-time MH3 cards that support it weren't available... cards that do support it existed!
It can be evoked to set off cards that care about 7 mana value colorless/eldrazi spells and then you can emerge at flash speed to get another cast trigger and have a big body.
Hey Richard, you know what you can still play when a Void Winnower is in play that answers it?
Swords to Plowshares
The Eldrazi Dragon isn't red so purphoros bronze-blooded can't cheat it into play.
it feels like everyone forgets that you have 98 other cards in your deck you can pair with. pair oblivion sower with that eldrazi who exiles 20 cards from a player. then you get all their lands you exiled. and its almost certain your gonna get a ton of land
Kozilek the Great Distortion actually _does_ suffer from the "if you play it people will target you" problem. It looks super threatening, but usually can't protect itself for long. 7 cards feels like a lot, but when you have to pick and chose what to hold and what to play, those cards go quick (and that's assuming you even were able to set up the ideal draw 7). Add in the wingdings mana cost and the mediocre menace, and he's really more of an A than an S.
"If Mulldrifter was a cast trigger, would you play it in any deck?" Yes, Animar. I'll take 5, in fact.
Hi, I'm a very new player, but one of my fav card Emarkul Aeon's Torn is missing. Is it banned and that's why it was not on the list?
I care about everything on my bored usually. If not I need to rebuild my deck. I hate playing against annihilator.
Richard: "Did you win?"
Everyone in the comments: "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
It would be cool to see a "combination" tier list with eldrazi plus Ulalek's copy ability. Listen, I played Emrakul, world anew, with Ulalek's copy ability while Echoes of Eternity was in play, and let's just say that my friends didn't appreciate that play xD
Richard bringing up Planeswalkers being able to kill Emrakul is kind of hilarious given how much he hates them in commander.
Void Winnower was my answer to my friend who loved to play boardwipe. Most of his boardwipes have even mana cost.
Emrakul Promised End is my only S tier
I think you guys are looking at the promised end in the idea of 60 card formats. For Richard and Seth it is like a main phase Teferi’s protection from one player minimum. And you don’t necessarily need to spend the turn doing as much damage as possible to the person you mindslaver, you use their turn to kill your opponents and leave them open for you to finish them off.
Sire of Stagnation is a pretty sweet one you guys missed, felt like it got a lot of play when it came out but not as much anymore. It also combos well with Oblivion Sower because it constantly exiles your opponents' cards
Kozilk: 10 mana draw 4.
Harmonize: 4 mana draw 3.
Does Harmonize come with an annihilator 4 12/12
Nulamog is better than og kozilek for sure! Two very different bombs with their own homes but the indestructible and spot removal x2 has crazy crazy UTILITY which is what a singleton player craves most....
Come on, Tomer. You add an OG Eldrazi titan to a deck to let you draw even more cards.
I AM mildly OFFENDED they did not put Brisela voice of nightmares in the list. You better fix THIS forgettable AFFRONT and rate it next podcast.
Being able to take over someones turn and kill them with their own combo alone puts Emrakul, the Promised End in S tier
To modify Richard's Nerf gun analogy, you're not bringing a black Nerf gun to a store, you're bringing a black Nerf gun to a black Nerf gun fight. Yours isn't any more special or scary than anyone else's.
Im surprised they mention Emrakul the Promised End's Utility of being able to make a deal to give someone just an extra turn in essence to kill another player.
Crims performance as the eldrazi was outstanding
Man it really sucks they didn't review the new Ulamog. I wanted to hear their opinions on it.
12:30 Tomer says “if you’re a combo player here” but we all know he’s scared that Kaldra would be hit with the exile
To defend Flayer of Loyalties, it can give itself haste as well. Not sure how much that makes it matter, but just thought I'd point that out.
In order to do that, it would have to already be on the battlefield while it's on the stack.