GT may be flawed but Super Saiyan 4 is one of my favorite transformations in the whole franchise. Always love playing as Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta in FighterZ and Budokai 3
When I was a kid, my dad used to stay up late watching a GT VHS that we had. It was the episodes when gogeta SS4 showed up and mopped the floor with omega shenron. He used to always ask me to rewatch them with him. That memory always served to why GT has a special place in my heart.
Epic! I had a similar thing going years ago with my grandmother, where we'd meet up for the bi-weekly DBZ episodes on SABC2. I later acquired the season one and two Funimation box-sets of o.g DB which we probably watched together a dozen times.
GT was my introduction to Dragon Ball and because I hadn’t watched the other shows at the time, I didn’t notice the inconsistencies. It will always have a special place in my heart because it was my doorway to this amazing story and characters.
The Japanese intro is just incredible. The animation in it is also top notch. This shot isn't in the version of the intro you showed, but there's a shot with Goku, Trunks, and Pan that's a wide shot of them attacking an enemy while close-ups of them doing their attacks are put over the wide shot. It's hard to explain. Looks amazing though.
Dan dan always brings tears to my eyes i have no idea why but it just feels like a reminder of the great journey we been on with dragonball and with super coming back (hopefully with the animation and pacing fixed) we can relive the love it has brough to us all these years
The theme song for GT in the Latin American opening is a faithful adaptation of the Japanese version. A truly beautiful song that still lives in my mind
I'd even go so far as to say GT's ending is miles better than Z's. GT actually gives the characters proper farewells for the most part, giving the audience a chance to reminisce before it's all over. I get that Toriyama was going for an open ending with Z, with room for fans to sort of imagine on their own what happened after it all, but he kind of tripped and fell in the execution. It just feels like a non-ending, where the story just kind of... stops instead of having an actual conclusion.
I hate the ending because were meant to accept that there were no more saiyans left except Pans grandson? So what happened to Trunks, Goten and Bulla, they would've surely had kids and grandkids. It just felt like everything Goku and Vegeta fought for throughout Z was all for nothing in the end
It's just crazy that GT came out on TV only a week after DBZ ended in Japan lol. There was a lot of Dragon Ball fatigue in Japan for that reason, which might attribute to why GT was so short.
Ignoring the fatigue, story is all over the place. Every arc just feels like some last minute elevator pitch. Hell omega shenron just shows up out of nowhere after watching Goku and pan fight a bunch of clown villains.
@@victorpleitez768 I think that was a huge problem, the tonal shift. After DBZ, the show that was ridiculously more popular than it's predecessor, they go back to Dragonball style of story and tone. That shit wasn't received well. THEN, I guess they realized that and switch it up to something more DBZ like, which seem like it comes outta nowhere and is ANOTHER tonal shift.
@@pn2294There are advertising breaks all the time on Japanese TV. I live in Japan... even in the dragon ball anime series there are ad break cutaways (2 second clip of Goku playing with Gohan).
SS4 with the fantastic Japanese SS4 theme is still imo my favorite transformation in all of Dragon Ball. It's so emotional for such an aggressive physical transformation.
I agreed. It's not a empty scene. Its strange that nowadays GT is still criticized with some negative aspects that actually are happening in Dragonball Super but fans are loving without questioning like the new Gohan Transformation in Super Hero. Just there, without anything been explained.
@@ricardosalavisa4490 couldn’t agree more the fans of super now only think it’s so great because it’s what their growing up with but for a lot of us grew up with Z and GT later on and obviously they don’t have that non biased opinion on super
@@ricardosalavisa4490 I disagree about Gohan Beast. Gohan's potential had been unlocked in the Boo Arc with next to no payoff until Super Hero. Thinking his daughter's in trouble gets him back to SSJ2, his peak in the Cell Arc. Thinking his daughter's in pain gets him back to Ultimate Gohan, his peak in the Boo Arc. But what brings him beyond that is his bond with Piccolo, which is pretty special. But I agree that most forms in Super lack emotion. SSJ4 has more emotional weight than any form in the Super anime so far.
To be fair, there are stakes unlike super and the original Japanese music is amazing. The Canadian dub kept the music too. Super feel fan service and meta in regard break fourth wall and give screen time to the supporting humans. The action is tame and more Pg compared to the 90s. However, z got the nice cell saga music in the dub.
I think it's actually a pretty fun "what if", if you end DBZ you can watch this or super, both timelines work pretty well. It's entertaining and that's all that matters to me. I always enjoyed the return of 17.
@@yorknew423 I just think it's the fact that it's a returning character, so after a whole show of watching basically 'new' characters, for me, it was refreshing to see an old face return; even if it's in an altered state. But that's just my personal feeling on it.
GT had lots of flaws but here are some things i liked: - Gogeta and the fact that it had Goku's personality having more influence - Goku's Super Sayan 4 design was pretty cool - The idea that the dragon balls being used and abused so much could have consequences and to create villains out of the dragon balls, specially Omega Shenron. - Going around the universe searching for the dragon balls(allthough it takes a bit of the tension from the earth being in danger away). - The ending, although kind of sad because he leaves, was awesome and very emotional. I always though that one day Goku would get granted a special place (maybe immortality) and become the dragon balls guardian (at least that is how i saw that ending). He always protected not only the earth but every innocent. I felt so happy when i found out dragon ball super was coming out but so far for me it has been a bit dissapointing because of the power levels all over the place. It had so much potential, especially when Evil Goku was announced. Evil Goku should be the final villain. Kind of a what if Goku had turned bad and foccused all his power on destroying instead of being a force for good.
For me GT had some of the best ideas of dragonball franchise.. from baby looking to take revenge for what saiyans used to do and reintergrating the power and importance of dragon balls which Z pretty much steered away from completely after frieza arc and the super saiyan 4 transformation is still my favorite… the negative is their execution.. watching GT felt alot like watching the last season of game of thrones for me.. I likes the ideas but the less interesting moments dragged way too long and the more interesting moments went way too quick
like alot villians after DBZ, Super and GT really felt like they wanted to make a great villain, more with GT than Super imo. But just can't get certain nuances I like about villains right. Maybe I was expecting too much from both, especially Super. Its dragonball afterall.
About the beam thing, during the Super 17 fight, when Goku finds out 17 can absorb his beams he acts like he can’t do anything about it. Like if he was in a pinch. It frustrates me because it’s so out of character for Goku not to use martial arts when that’s how most of his fights go.
Super Saiyan 4 is an amazing concept that they sort of brought back with Broly with mixing Great Ape power with their base/SSJ forms, feels like Broly is the perfect opportunity to make Super Saiyan 4 canon.
There is no canon in Dragon Ball. There is only official product or not. That's why we still get SS4 in new content in manga, shows, and games. Japan doesn't really do the whole canon thing. Official products just exist simultaneously. It confused me a long time ago with Tenchi Muyo.
"...I didn't wanted to have bad memories associated with Dragon Ball in anyway, except that movie. Ahhhh... that movie..." hahaha we all felt that one. 😂
I've only ever dropped a few tears in 2 episodes in the entire series: First from the episode where master Roshi nearly died in the super universe tournament, and the last episode of GT. Man that last GT episode just hit me really hard somehow. Absolutely loved it. EDIT: Having just heard you felt nothing with the ending, I believe that comes from you already knowing there is Super and the Super movies already out, so that last episode didn't hit as hard as it would have, had you watched it before all of the Super to exist. I know for a fact that I won't be feeling much about the last episode either, having now watched the entire Super anime, their movies and read the manga up to date.
GT is the definition of good ideas and bad execution. The main highlight is SSJ4, having the more primal look mixed with the SSJ transformation was great.
Two of the best ideas that fell flat on their faces were Baby and the Shadow Dragons. Focusing on the crimes of the Saiyans and using the Dragonballs as a villain were great ideas. Too bad they did nothing interesting with them.
I remember watching Dragon Ball GT on Toonami, and yet I remember very little of the shows plots or what the hell was going on that show. That’s how much GT is close to my heart.
I always found Baby to be a awesome villain, hopefully they can make him and both Super Saiyan 4 forms of Goku and Vegeta canon in DragonBall Super like how they did for Broly.
@@ricardocantoral7672 Same with super. Goku black was just a fan made evil goku. Frieza was brought back for nostalgia. Copy vegeta was a worse version of baby vegeta.
I was 13 when I discovered Dragon Ball GT before then my friend used to bring printouts from the computer of characters I never seen before to school a year later I found VHS tapes at FYE and thought to myself the story continues!
In latinomerica they actually adapted and translated the intro theme song, "Mi Corazón Encantado". It easly carries the show lol I never thought GT was thaat bad.
Dragon Ball GT suffered from the overly high expectations fans had for it. The DB property was white HOT and fans couldn't wait to see a continuation of the series. I think my biggest issue with it was the mundane Americanized music. I love Mark Menza's work on projects like The Return of Cooler and Super Android 13. But for whatever reason it wasn't hitting with me like the Faulconer score did with DBZ. There's a handful of tracks that get used over and over. And not that many big villains have their own unique theme song. In a way Menza's score opened my eyes and helped me appreciate the original Japanese music for DB properties. I also felt like the choreography for the fights in GT were very repetative. In almost every fight the characters spam out ki blasts with little hand to hand combat. I appreciate the show for what it is and tried to do. But its not my cup of tea.
The music was definitely underwhelming although ironically it has one of the best OP songs of the entire franchise. But imo the music was the least of my problems, the direction to GT was all over the place. It had no consistent tone whatsoever and the fights were just flat out boring. Idk how you can make so many fights for a series like Dragon Ball boring when it’s arguably the best battle shonen ever
I have fond memories of gt and there are still moments I enjoy to this day. SS4 is my favorite transformation feels like a saiyan in his "perfect" form eliminating weaknesses in each fighter, making goku an adult and giving vegeta his tail back originally the source of a true saiyans power aswell as low kai drain. But there is some weird episodes which I completely forgot about, it's because they are so bad I totally forgot about them! I also remember playing gt on the ps2 and at the time thought it was made up because in the UK at least I had never seen anything past ss2
I have always loved the notion that Yi Xing Long ( Omega Shenron ) , being the supposed superme symbol of negative energy , is frozen in fear by the amount of positive energy that Goku and his Universal Spirit Bomb holds . Also the ambiguity regarding Goku's death , is also something I appreciate. My opinion is , no he wasn't dead but a change overcame him for sure. His body absorbs the energy of the Negative Karma Ball , makes it his own life force , keeping him just alive to end off the final villain. IMO , he dies immediately after , revived by Shenron ( the red eye glow ) , to leave with him as a part of his 'deal' . I think this is where Super took inspiration from , in terms of Goku's body absorbing the massive attack that supposedly kills Goku but actually upgrades him.
My interpretation is that when he swallowed the 4 star ball it allowed him to directly be in contact with Shenron which is why when he was holding the karma ball he was talking to ''someone'' asking them to grant one more wish just one last time and promises to get by without using the dragonballs again, he is clearly talking to Shenron who actually grants his wish which was to bring Goku back to life as that is the only way I can see him surviving that blast. Its either that shenron granted him immortality which is why Omega Shenron's blasts had no effect on base Goku, or he granted him a power boost equivalent to the shadow dragons collectively added to his own power since the dragon can only grant what is within their power limits, which means the reason Omega couldn't phase Goku was that base Goku actually got a power boost so high his base form surpassed Omega and became immortal on top of that because he merged with Shenron by swallowing the dragonball. Or the universal spirit bomb gave Goku this power boost, it could be one or the other, but all I know is that Goku merged with Shenron and became immortal at the end of GT which is why 100 years later his great great grandson summons the dragon out of the 4 star ball and instead summons Goku who is the new dragon of the balls, Goku grants Goku jrs wish to save Pan, effectively GT ended where dragonball began with the 4 star ball, and Goku merging with his most treasured item and becoming its gaurdian once again in different way Goku effectively made a promise to Shenron and then kept that promise to take responsibility for the dragonball's becoming their gaurdien, its poetic its the perfect way to wrap up the whole series.
@@hyperrunner893 Wow , I actually love this explanation. This is why I appreciate GT , it pulls of a Deus ex Machina type finale , leaving people with multiple interpretations , one explanation adding more sense than the previous one
@@hyperrunner893 I actually bothered enough to re-watch the scene (sub) , and the exact words were *Those Dragonballs have saved the Earth on many occasions , but this time they are not here to do it . This time I will have to save the Earth myself. I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY IT* , I believe the Dragonballs (Shenron) heard through Goku's resolve and granted him the power to finish off the final villain like you said.
The ending of GT was absolutely amazing, I meant the song, and the flashbacks, really made tear up as a kid. They didn't do Vegeta any justice in my opinion, Super did, Vegeta would never use technology to reach a new form, never, he will work his butt off to achieve it, that's what I liked about him in the first place.
I agree that GT did not do Vegeta any justice, but disagree that he would “never use technology to reach a new form.” He whored his body out to Babidi for a power boost, just to ensure that he’d finally be able to beat Goku.
I mean, that's a fair assessment...but also, Vegeta DID allow himself to get mind controlled by Babidi just cause he felt becoming a family man made him soft. Depending on the Era were talking here, Vegeta isn't necessarily above using shortcuts to achieve a power boost if it means getting him to Goku's level.
I actually really like what they did with Vegeta, not with the Bebi stuff mind you since honestly it just seemed so pointless to make Vegeta a bad guy through possession when there was a true story there about Saiyans being made to face the sins of their past but in terms of his development? They did a good job of growing him the hell up and I even think him relying on a machine shows that. At that point, it demonstrates he doesn't really care if this is not him earning an ability and just understands he needs to get to Goku's level to help deal with this threat and also as people mentioned... Vegeta is fine with taking shortcuts. I mean this is an aspect preserved in Super even, Vegeta didn't stop to complain that SSG wasn't a true Super Saiyan form since you get it by ritual and not through hardwork, he just was annoyed he wasn't achieving it. He let Babidi control him to tap into his potential just so he could fight Goku. This man wanted to wish for immortality even though he knew that meant fighting against anyone would be worthless since he was gonna win every time just by outlasting his opponents.
Vegeta and Trunks were always my favorite characters of DBZ, and of all time really. What they did with both of them in GT was always my biggest issue. Goku is awesome, but some other characters deserved to have their moments. DBS did more for side characters but I never liked that the creator only really cared about Goku. DBZ is the only one that really let other characters have full arcs and truly shine imo.
@@squid4554 I agree totally my main gripe with GT was that everyone was completely useless bar Goku when it come to fighting. Super isn't too great at giving other people some time to shine as Goku gets a new form every arc to finish the strongest yet again but others play a part especially in the tournament of power but in GT it's literally only Goku that can do damage until Vegeta helps 5 minutes from the end of the last arc. I know he's the main guy but I found it boring as hell.
I’m loving all of the DB content you’ve been making. You grew up at the same exact time period as me when it comes to anime coming to America, and I respect your opinions of the franchise. I have recently watched GT all the way through, and boy, it really is not great lol.
I’d argue Vegeta had character growth when he swallowed his pride and had to admit yet again Goku was stronger than him. Vegeta would never want to cheat for more power but this situation was so desperate he chose the short cut via the blutz waves to protect his fellow z fighters
@@archivelibrarian6818 I dunno about that. Sure, Vegeta was badly utilized in the show but i felt his character development is spot on. If you have seen the show in Japanese and not the shitty english version, Vegeta's arc actually makes sense. Ever since he admitted Goku was number one, Vegeta has been struggling to find new reason to keep getting strong and eventually decides that he should keep getting stronger for his own sake, to break his own limits rather than chase around Goku again.
@@teriosshadow17 you cant blame reusing the same arc on the "shitty dub." even in the manga its the exact same. unless youre talking about the morro arc, vegetas character arc was just a lesser reused version of his original Z arc, dub or not. thank you for proving my point by just repeating his arc in Z lol
@@archivelibrarian6818 Not really. Its not exactly same. He isn't nowhere near prideful as he was in Z and even is the one suggesting fusion with Goku(something that he absolutely detested against in the Buu saga until he had no choice but to fuse)
You know, I have fond memories of GT. Maybe because I was at the end of my childhood when I first watched it, right after Z. And here in Argentina it got a porper dub, with the original soundtrack and score. And I think it was the first time I cried at the end of a series/movie in my life, when watching the last episode. Like, Goku was saying goodbye to me, to all of us. And I was saying hello to my teenage years. Nostalgia? Probably. But I accept it, and embrace it. Let's see what good ol' Chris hast to say!
Really glad you brought up my single biggest issue with the show that many people for some reason skip over: the fight scenes in GT really do just blow for the most part. While many of them are technically well animated, they lack any sort of punch or intrigue. They're often slow beam-fests with little actual hand-to-hand choreography. We talk a lot about the emotions, the plot, and the characters in Dragon Ball. But like you said, at the end of the day, the story of Dragon Ball is mainly conveyed through fight scenes, and when those aren't on point, you have a major problem. For all my issues with Super, and there are plenty, that show at the very least often had some really exhilarating, well done battle sequences that this show just never has.
Super has rare occurances of good fight scenes, but most of them are awful. Even the fight scenes in Super Hero aren't that good. Super Broly is the major exception. The first two arcs that retell the BoG and RoF movies are probably the most offensive and really shouldn't have been made in the first place. As well as many of the fights in the Goku Black arc. It didn't start to give decent fights until the ToP arc, but almost every major fight in Super hinges on some new transformation miraculously appearing during the fight. On top of that none of the fights feel like they have stakes.
Idk if I'd say the story of DB is "conveyed" through fight scenes. It's almost the opposite. Where fights are used to stall enemies so that other characters can do stuff that advances the plot.
@@link1565V2 And the only thing good about the Top arc are scenes involving UI, which is like 5% of it at best, the rest is a cringe fest, just the most idiotic, dumbed down insult of intelligence ever put on screen as far as dragonball goes, every character is stupid, every design is so awful and stupid, there is literally no logic or consistency whatsoever, nothing in super makes any sense, there is no powerscaling at all, its like a video game where everyone can fight anyone, the powerscaling is a mess, the worst powerscaling I've ever seen in anything for e.g one moment female Broly manhandles SSJB Goku with ease, he doesn't stand a chance against her, even his full power kamehamea was like nothing to her, (a cheap duplicate of the broly movie for cheap nostalgia marketing) next minute his SSJB is evenly matched against a much stronger form of her AND when she's fused with Caulifla and therefore hundreds of times stronger than when she just destroyed him in his strongest form, which means super made a character actually get weaker after doing fusion! Yeah, what in the actual fuck bro. And that was some of the more intellectually tolerable scenes, most of it was even more cringe than that, the only way to enjoy super is by turning your brain off the entire time because it constantly insults your intelligence with poor writting that doesn't even try to make any sense or have any logical or stylistic consistency with the previous show or even its own show for that matter, every episode or even scene contradicts the previous episode or scene, its the most self contradicting show I've ever watched and that makes it the most irritating show in dragonball to watch, despite it actually having some exciting scenes at times, the logic surrounding it is a mess, the only thing super has over GT is that its overall more entertaining, but its writing is atrocious, at least GT had great ideas and felt like it was part of Z, even though GT was dull and rushed, at least it didn't constantly insult your intelligence and irritate you, GT at least had the potential to be a great show if it wasn't rushed and therefore would've had better execution and more story arcs, both shows are sort of opposites, GT is kinda boring and unexciting because it was rushed but had amazing ideas and potentially great writing if done right and still felt very connected to z and had a small amount of highly emotional moments like SSJ4 transformation when he reminisces his whole life and the earth his home that he is trying to protect actually is what transforms him and gives him the power to protect it, or like the ending that were some of the strongest in the franchise, Super is often quite entertaining but has the most atrocious writting and atrocious ideas that tarnish the franchise and feels like a high production fanfiction with no stylistic or logical connection to the original shows, in all, both are dissapointing in very different ways but if I had to pick which one had the most potential to being a great show and live up to DBZ its GT for certain.
@@raveoreynolds6049 I couldn’t disagree more. The story is literally told through battle sequences. That’s the main language the show uses to tell it’s story. The fight scenes are inseparable tied to the plot. Hell, they basically ARE the plot most of the time.
Goku S.Saiyan 4 transformation was quite awesome, from lying in the ground about to die to stand up in rage with red eyes screaming like hell. (Gohan SS2 transformation is still my favourite though). Vegita's did something similar in DBZ by letting himself controlled by Babidi's magic to achieve more power. Nothing wrong by using Bulma's tech machine, just my opinion of course. Great honest review!
While GT wasn’t the best, it still has one of my favourite scenes in the series - Goku’s final goodbye on the back of Shenron, reminiscing with characters from Dragonball to DBZ and GT before flying off into what was then, the end of anime for the foreseeable future. Went to school that day feeling bummed that I’d miss this fictional character so much.
As a kid, I always liked GT. It reminded me of the original Dragon Ball. Serial adventures with Goku, pan and Trunks running around the universe chasing after Dragon Balls. Not so much about super powered battles, more of an adventure story.
It kinda jumps back and forth. Beginning is about adventures, then it becomes about super powered battles for a good while, but when they get to the arc where they have to fight all the evil dragons from the corrupted dragon balls, it temporarily goes back to being an adventure story
@@maleficking6556 That first arc makes up a third of the show. They return to the Dragon Ball search format with the Evil Dragons Arc, it just concludes with a Z-type battle. So let's say half the show is like that.
The way he just glosses over the whole Searching Space Arc is just disappointing. He acted like that creepy priest and those dancing aliens were the whole arc, just like Totally Not Mark's review. Many people who hate on GT repeat the same points.
Yeah it's very flawed but I still have a lot of love for GT. The ending of Dragon Ball GT specifically just floored me! To this day when I see that montage of the entire series with Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku playing I start crying!
Literally how. He leaves for 100 years and comes back to his friends all dead. It's such a horrible ending. Goku was known for dissapearing and ditching his friends and family for years at a time, and the ending does it AGAIN. a better ending would be if Goku stayed with his family and friends, breaking that cycle of him not being there for them.
@@Noided88815 I understand your point, but who's to say Goku didn't come back to live with is family again many times? It was even implied that he'd be back, even though Goku is known to go off for a while he always comes back, so I very much doubt that was his last time on earth, so in keeping with what he always does, Goku definitely returned to his family and friends.
GT managed to do something most of the other DB shows didn't. It handled a lot of the power creep the shows were guilty of. Most of the villains had weird abilities that made them strong, and not just pure power. Obviously not the case with all of them, but it was refreshing. It also finally gave some sort of consequence for using the Dragon Balls way too much. After the newest movie, I wished that would return. I still really enjoy GT.
9:20 - I feel you may have missed the point of Super Saiyan 4, it’s not about power it’s about control. Also transforms stopped being earned by the time we get to the Buu saga, at that point they’re just handed out 13:15 - Vegeta didn’t need the machine to become a Super Saiyan 4, he needed it to become a Great Ape, because you know, he didn’t have a tail, that’s the entire point of the machine.
I agree with this so much. Whenever I hear people say that vegeta transforms because of Bulma's device, I wonder if there is some mistranslation in the english version. The device only allows him to transform into a great ape, the same way he did in DBZ with an energy ball when he first came to earth, exept it transforms him without the tail. Vegeta's SSJ4 transformations is earned legitimately just like Goku, by being powerfull enough to go SSJ as a great ape and maintaining control. I dont understand why people don't get that. Also imo this transformation has a lot more depth than most those that happen in DBZ, I think people saying that transformations felt more intense back then must be nostalgia goggles, because there are exactly 2 charecters that have intense pain to transform, those being Goku and Future Trunks and the latter was a tv special, not really the original show. You can say Gohan SSJ2 was intense emotion too, thats true, but his SSJ transformation was rushed af, and SSJ2 was forgoten like 3 episodes later pretty much. To me SSJ4 feels like the perfect endgame for the warrior race, the peak of power contained in a saiyan body, that manages to dominate their natural destruction instincts, and I love everything about it. But I have to say I agree that all fights in GT are pretty much ass.. terrible
Dan Dan is one of my favourite anime theme of all time, GT even though it's not canon it will always have a special place in my heart maybe because I grew up watching it.
One positive I will give GT is Vegeta showed the emotional maturity to bring forth the idea of fusion and not whine about it. That’s something Super even to this day gets wrong so theres that at least
@@thatguyintherain3168 I’d argue that his character had some of the most development in the Super series 🤔 I’m halfway through GT and I see nothing coming forth from Vegeta’s character. The fact he’s embarrassed to do fusion just plays into the comedy of the scene. It’s just played for laughs. But Super showed Vegeta really grow when it came to caring about his family.
They should’ve replaced Kid Goku with Gohan traveling with his daughter and Trunks and made Uub a new, substantial supporting character on the team, then it could’ve been an epic sequel series. The idea of the Dark Dragon Balls and Shadow dragons is awesome, a lot of the villain designs were really good, the darker tone was a good move at the time, I really like the SS4 design and I think it’s a much better final transformation than SS God, SS Blue or Ultra Instinct & going back to basics with a smaller team and having them travel around the universe similar to the Frieza saga was a good premise.
GT was when I started to notice anime could be falshy but shallow. We watched like 20 eps straight one day at a friends house as we all played games and I never had a desire to watch any more. Please do more of this style though, I love these random retrospectives.
Weird , i got that impression from Super . And i'd say GT's longest bad execution was the initial 15 episodes , i like the vibe but the problem is that's all it is for 15 episodes , no dbz like fights .
*hugs* dude you are awesome you know that ? you have a beautiful mind and through your videos i got to see aspects of it , your evolution of explaining things , becoming wiser , understanding different viewpoints and giving a well rounded explanation of a subject . its always a treat to listen to you talk about things , i'm a bit late but congrats on the twins ! i know you have your hands full with them but i wish you the world for you and your family. my family is kinda broken right now so its nice to see good fathers and good human being trying to be good in general . all the best to you buddy , may you shine like star
great review! as a lifelong DBZ fan you hit the nail on the head. Baby is kinda cool, I like SSJ4, and the omega shenron stuff is cool but everything else is pretty ass. Ive always been a fan of the ending, always thought of it as a nice tribute to dragonball and what it means to people. some really cool nuggets of ideas in the series, I always wished to see some of it elaborated better in a more well put tg show/story.
Chris brother. I would be really awesome if you watched and reviewed the animated show Arcane. It's one of the greatest animated shows ever made and very masterful in story telling. You will probably never see this but I figured I'd put it out there.
I would've enjoyed Dragon Ball GT a lot more if they actually succeeded in turning Goku back into an adult by the end of the first arc. Him being trapped in a child's body, despite being married, having kids, and having grandkids is very off putting. Aside from that, I like the characterization of the main cast, notably Vegeta being much more mellow now, and Piccolo's epic sacrifice
I mean he wasn't actually a "kid" in an age sense. It was just in stature. He was literally a midget. But, no excuses. It was bad. It was confirmed they did it to appeal to kids.
A couple thoughts on this analysis of GT I have: I kind of agree on the fact that Goku going Super Saiyan 4 doesn’t really have a ton of weight when you consider it on its own. However, not only is the transformation born from his love for his family and friends on Earth (in regaining his rationality as a Golden Great Ape by remembering a tender moment he shared with Pan as a little kid), to the point of the Earth itself literally standing in for the full moon for the first phase of his transformation, it means a lot to his history throughout the original series. Characters are more than the arc happening in front of them; their history matters for milestones like this. We started off the series with Goku being unable to control his Great Ape power, then one of the major milestones became when he went Super Saiyan for the first time. Now, not only has he advanced to a point to where he can control his ape power which has more significance in the series lore, he marries it with his more iconic Super Saiyan form. The scene where he unveils the form for the first time is Goku at his most realized as a character; this is Goku’s final form. A Saiyan by blood who unlocked his true power with his Earthling heart. Vegeta using the Blutz Wave machine to transform into Super Saiyan 4 isn’t out of character. His pride is strong, yes, but by the end of the Majin Buu arc, Vegeta’s development finished off with him basically giving up his selfish quest to grow better than Kakarot because he feels like he deserves it. He’s not the selfish Saiyan prince we saw him as throughout most of Z in GT especially; he’s more of an Earthling due to Goku’s influence. DB Super likes to perpetually portray Vegeta the way he was in the Cell Saga; as someone who only cares about growing stronger than Goku and his pride that’s the excuse for every stupid decision he makes in the story. Vegeta’s pride is strong, yes, but there are instances in even Z where his pride doesn’t stop him, such as when he allies with Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo on Namek, or when he basically lets go and begs Goku to kill Freeza. In GT, if Vegeta refused to use the Blutz Wave machine to grow stronger and just stubbornly insisted to fight as he was, like DBS Vegeta would’ve, that would’ve been dumb writing, because it would betray the development he went through in Z, which already did away with his far more charming intelligent and calculating side to his personality after Namek. Vegeta allowing himself to gain power through a way other than improvement-especially when he uses “I can’t let another home planet be destroyed” as justification, since he sees Earth as a home since Buu-is perfectly in character for this version of him. Why do you think he ONLY wears Earth clothes in GT and not the same armor set we’ve always seen him wearing in everything else? Think Super Saiyan 4 is the only form in the franchise to feel unearned through work or struggle? Tell me, what did you feel when Super Saiyan 3 was unveiled? Or is that Z, so it gets a free pass?
To like appreciate GT it helps that I watched it right after watching dragonball z for the first time. Back then there was no DBS so the only progression of our beloved characters existed at the time in GT. It gave the series an end with some payoffs and dynamics between different characters which we never got from DBZ. Having Goku as a kid is always brings back that funny yet light hearted humor we always had since DB. And they gave Goku the most absolute Super Saiyan transformation.Of course it is technically non-canon, but that never matter to me in the first place.
Same here, I watched it back to back with DBZ and I thought it was fine. I think certain elements played extra well, like the fast pacing. After the absolute slog that was the Buu arc, the zippy no-filler (mostly) storylines really felt refreshing. I see it as kind of like Return Of The Jedi. No, it's not as good as what came before, but it's still a good-enough end to the 'trilogy.'
I've always had the same thought, the show was good, and it had some cool ideas that could never happen because it got cancelled, unfortunately when something doesn't work in Japan, it just doesn't. The Toriyama fans were pissed
9:28 haaaard disagree! The only transformations I can remember that were linked to strougle and pain were Goku's Super Sayan 1, Goten's Super Sayan 2 and maybe Vegeta's Super Sayan 1. Everything else happened off screen and pretty much only Goku's Super Sayan 3 was given any sort of gravitas. In GT at least they tried to make transformations seem important again.
That Japanese intro unlocked some buried nostalgia in me. I’ve never watched GT but that theme feels like something I definitely heard in my childhood a lot. Wtf
I had a very similar situation during covid and the lockdown in California, so I sat down and watched stuff that I normally wouldn't. I finally watched The devil May cry animated series, I watched the rest of the Street fighter movies including alpha and generations. And my favorite out of all the things I watched was the old Guyver cartoon. I loved the movie in that era of practical effects so it only made sense to watch the animated series for however little time it was available. Much love to you and be safe
@@markjackson6151 good for it's time, few nuggets of great storytelling, mostly violence and decent animation. Ending wasn't the best but so far it's all they have besides the games
At least GT tried to do something different with its transformations. Super just cycles through different rainbow colors. I mean, it even seems self-aware about this, with the Rose' power up that Black uses clearly being a joke.
Here in Latinamerica, the Japanese intro was dubbed using the same melody, and the result is pretty good. At least here in Mexico, most people hate GT, but in any convention, when the song starts playing, everyone start singing
Funnily enough I watched dbz scattered through cable when I was a kid then when I turned like 16 Gt was the first time I watched anything dragon ball from start to finish so it gave me a love for dbz even more since I started with the worse series as my starter.. I thought it was good but as i went back and binged dbz from saiyan saga to the buu saga i understood the hatred for gt but I never felt the same hate.. besides all the bad stuff it really wasn’t that bad, it was just ok imo and it taught me that just bc everyone else doesn’t like something doesn’t mean you shouldnt give it a try
Dragonball z was my all time FAVORITE thing as a kid. And GT was something I had always heard about and had seen images and toys of the characters in GT but never could find a way to watch it. So it just seemed like the coolest thing in the world that i always wanted to experience. Then as a teenager I was able to watch it and.....did not know how to feel lol.
Loved GT, I thought the ideas and execution were both solid. Nothing will ever beat the Cell Saga in Z, but the series isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
Haven't watched it since way back when. But, I do remember going straight from DBZ to GT is a huge drop in quality and just not the type of show people wanted. I can probably go back now and watch it through different eyes.
I love how you gracefully review stuff and stick to the critical aspects of things you didn’t like, while trying to be mindful of the efforts of the creators. As opposed to bashing the whole thing. Very refreshing. We need more of this on the internet. And thank you for sitting through GT so I don’t have to!
I disagree with your thoughts on Goku's ss4 transformation. It was definitely epic and earned. He transformed after snapping out of a mindless ape state which was triggered by his granddaughters tears. He realized he was doing exactly what he hates the most and stands up and fights against - that being killing people and general destruction of a planet. The design is so epic and cool and side note, ss4 Gogeta is the coolest character design I have ever seen in my life
Other than the black star dragonball arc, I never had any real problem with dragonball GT. The music, particularly the Japanese version was great, the battles were good, Super Saiyan 4 was awesome, the animation was good, the consequences for the overuse of the dragonballs was a great idea, and the ending of dragonball gt is the best ending of any in the dragonball franchise. Also, Vegeta only needed the blutz wave machine to transform into a great ape, since Vegeta didn't have a tail. If Vegeta could get his tail back, he wouldn't even need the blutz wave machine, that was made by Bulma by the way. Vegeta can create an artificial moon on his own, and can control his great ape form. Combine that with his ability to transform into a super saiyan, and Vegeta has everything that he needs to reach Super Saiyan 4 on his own, except for his tail, which is essential. That's why he needed Bulma's help, and it shows Vegeta's character development to get help from his wife to catch up to Goku.
9:15 You clearly didnt watch the super saiyan 4 transformation or youre just hating. He was looking at the earth when he was transforming, and aside from the fact that he replaced it for a full moon, it reminded him what hes fighting for. His family and friends who are all living there and where he made all of those memories he cherishes . I say it was a beautiful transformation, better than any of the ones from super imo.
I LIKE DBGT….. I liked it since i saw it as a kid. Never understood the hate other than people bitching over Canon non canon. Its 60 Episodes and i enjoyed Super17, Baby, Omega Sheron, SSj4, It had SOLID Animation…. It has way more good things than bad. 🤷🏻♂️Sorry that i can be open minded and enjoy stuff that others can’t. I think it was better than DBSuper which only had 1 good Arc with the Tournament of Power.
The Japanese opening to Dragon Ball GT was what got me into Japanese music and kickstarted my unconventional journey of rock music discovery as a teenager. I actually hated it the first time I heard it because it was so sugary, but it grew on me until I could feel the emotion sincerely.
The Baby Saga is actually a good saga (except the ending). Really loved it tied the Saiyans past into a new arc like that. Before & after that, GT is pretty terrible
@Mezzy Mez Naw GT is trash in general. Baby is just the best of the worst. The Dark Dragons could’ve been great but the beginning is so boring until you get to the 4 star Dragon. Super 17 was a snooze of a villain & The Black Star Dragon Ball saga in the beginning made me turn the whole series off until Baby & Dr ‘Mu showed up. Overall GT not recommended but at least baby did something interesting for the most part
Hey man! Love your channel, I know it’s stupid to say to watch Dragon Ball Z or related in Latin Spanish but give it a try, specially the music and key moments like Gohan turning SS2
I loved SSJ4: it actually feels like a natural transformation, not just a different colored hair! At this rate, Saiyans basically become Gods by getting dyed at the hair saloon.
Hi Chris, I am sure your hands are full with a million things and yet you keep churning out reviews for us, Thank You🙏🏼 Really looking forward to your take on RRR! 😊 Cheers!
Weirdly enough, there's only a small, particular part of GT that I really don't like - And that's the name Super Saiyan 4. It should've been called something entirely different like Super Saiyan Primal or Saiyan Primal, something like that... Purely because we'd gotten so used to Super Saiyan being associated with having gold/glowing hair. Super Saiyan 4 is a completely different league imo
The writer of the show admitted in the “gt perfect files” that the naming convention was used out of convenience and nothing else. Ssj4 is still better than super saiyan blue in design and name.
I agree that one of the bigger letdowns about GT is the quality of the action. It's okay for what it is, but it seems without Toriyama's manga panels to draw from, the team at Toei struggle to craft compelling fight scenes. Having said that, I did like SSJ4 Goku vs. Giant Ape Baby as well as Goku/Vegeta vs. Omega Shenron.
I'd say it's on par with the rest of the series- mind-bogglingly popular in spite of garbage writing and animation. I never understood why such a shitty looking series had such a massive fan base. It's fucking hideous, and sadly doesn't have the writing to make it tolerable.
Not really. Toei's fine with choreographing fights. Let's take Goku vs Kid Buu for example. The beginning of the fight when Goku's a SSJ2 is some of my favorite choreography in all of Z but I thought their fight after he turned SSJ3, which was where the fight started in the manga, was boring. Toei just didn't bring their A game with GT.
I've slightly warmed up to GT over the years. I still mostly dislike it, but it doesn't actually make me angry like it used to. There's some great character designs (mustache Vegeta is not one of them...) and SS4 is the coolest transformation of all-time. Also, I love Final Bout. It is one of the worst Fighters out there, but like you it was my first introduction to DB and I played the HELL out of it. Played it again a few years ago and had a blast despite realizing even more how trash it is.
Here in Portugal the opening credits were a loose version of the original and the lyrics they made for the song was so good, so iconic, so fucking popular here, that to this day, if that song comes up in a club or festival (and believe me, it does!) EVERYONE goes fucking wild. It's legit incredible
Watching Super made me a bit sympathetic to GT over time. As I've grown up, I realized A lot of vehement criticisms attached to GT are things people completely ignore in the rest of the series that are equally guilty of.
Dragon Ball GT is my favorite of the Dragon Ball series. It is incredibly flawed, but the things I love about it really make it stand out for me. I love the character designs and overall vibe of the show. It is unapologetically vibrant and 90s. So many bright reds and yellows. The locations are all so interesting. DBZ had so many bland, boring ass wastelands. Every location in GT has its own vibe. It has a lot of really great concepts with decent to poor execution. The Shadow Dragons saga is the best example of a brilliant concept that is absolutely wasted, whereas the Baby saga I think is the best example of the show doing the most it can with an idea. I think the reason people don't like this show is because of how different it is, but that's exactly why I love it. It feels exactly like what it is; if the people who made the movies went off and made their own show. It has all the creativity and uniqueness that Wrath of the Dragon and Fusion Reborn had. But by far its greatest downfall is its poor use of the Dragon Ball characters, and inability to really tell a story with them. As a continuation of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, it is genuinely awful, but taken as its own thing, it can be very enjoyable. Like the movies, which for the most part didn't really care about continuity or developing the plot or characters, GT is just content to have fun and do its own thing. And I'm grateful for that. If the show just tried to be like DBZ it would be truly hollow and worthless, because it does not have the same spirit as DBZ. GT is not DBZ. It's GT. And I love it.
I like GT 100× more than DBS, What makes it much better for me is that it doesn't fall for the power scale pitfall, and its also very short, shorter than a single DBZ saga
GT is deeply flawed, but it felt like the end of an era and holds a special place in my heart. It’s not the best DB series, but it still introduced a lot of cool stuff, cool characters and some awesome moments. The ending with Goku leaving with Shenron still makes me so emotional. It’s a show with a lot of issues, but still very important for me.
In Mexico we saw GT right after Z ended that was around 1998/9 I was 8 at the time. I remember most of my friends stop watching because Pokémon was the most popular thing to watch and to have games, toys etc. I watched GT till the end, back then I didn't know that GT wasn't an idea of Toriyama, it was just my innocent mind watching and enjoying something. And yes of course all the points you're making are a flaw, but to this day I watched GT and feel the same magic when I was 8, it's lame I know but if you grew up like almost EVERY Mexican watching Dragon Ball as kids watching Goku growing up with us, and watching that ending that was the first time I remember I felt sad as a kid 😅 like saying goodbye to a dear friend of mine. GT indeed had the most boring and the most lazy fights but to me it has some beautiful magic I remember as a kid, and I really wish Chris you watched it the same as us, with an innocent mind of a kid.
GT may be flawed but Super Saiyan 4 is one of my favorite transformations in the whole franchise. Always love playing as Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta in FighterZ and Budokai 3
Yah that seems to be the only thing most people remember from the whole thing
We need a Budokai 3 remaster though
Giving Broly the super saiyan 4 design in his movie would have been perfect. Have him keep the tail and go down the great ape route
It looks great but how they transform has no sense at all. And Goku is an adult in this form and then a kid again??? Really???
@@spupydo yep. Great design, terrible execution.
When I was a kid, my dad used to stay up late watching a GT VHS that we had. It was the episodes when gogeta SS4 showed up and mopped the floor with omega shenron. He used to always ask me to rewatch them with him. That memory always served to why GT has a special place in my heart.
Did your dad only know GT or was he a Dragonball Fan of the other series or the manga as well?
Epic!
I had a similar thing going years ago with my grandmother, where we'd meet up for the bi-weekly DBZ episodes on SABC2.
I later acquired the season one and two Funimation box-sets of o.g DB which we probably watched together a dozen times.
Aw, that's nice. I'm glad you had that with him :)
love to hear it
I always enjoyed how kid Goku was ironically the most mature and serious Goku. It showd really great character progression.
GT was my introduction to Dragon Ball and because I hadn’t watched the other shows at the time, I didn’t notice the inconsistencies. It will always have a special place in my heart because it was my doorway to this amazing story and characters.
this is how i feel about super
@@trelavon724 Rip...
It was inconsistent in every aspect, the animation, fight scenes and it had completely rewrote the lore
@@khalidabuqaddum4708 you mean super right? Since when Beerus exists? Since when there is such thing as asuper saiyan god
@@trelavon724 have some respect for the dead.
The opening for GT is insanely nostalgic
Thats why its my fav ever
Would love to see the upvotes to downvotes on your comment.
Dan Dan kokoro hikareteku
Grand Tour Grand Tour
I really liked Grand tour it made it cool
The Japanese intro is just incredible. The animation in it is also top notch. This shot isn't in the version of the intro you showed, but there's a shot with Goku, Trunks, and Pan that's a wide shot of them attacking an enemy while close-ups of them doing their attacks are put over the wide shot. It's hard to explain. Looks amazing though.
Yup, its the tearjerker nostalgic type of music. Also the whole ost in general is good too.
Dan Dan is an iconic opening and I will sing it’s praises forever.
DAN DAN Kokoro is one of the best things ever
My favorite aspects of the show were the original Japanese OP and ED title songs
The English opening I saw was an English dub of that theme.
Dan dan always brings tears to my eyes i have no idea why but it just feels like a reminder of the great journey we been on with dragonball and with super coming back (hopefully with the animation and pacing fixed) we can relive the love it has brough to us all these years
Thank you
I love it
Dan dan ranks high in my anime intro list for sure, but let's not forget the outro too, a very underrated gem.
I love the Dan Dan song, but the plot is very repetitive…..
It’s a love song. If you watch the music video.
The theme song for GT in the Latin American opening is a faithful adaptation of the Japanese version. A truly beautiful song that still lives in my mind
It almost was my wifes & I first dance song.
I just loved how OP GT's Gogeta was and I liked his design and of SS4 Vegeta and Goku
GT isn't that good, but the ending is really great and actually feels like a conclusive wrap-up to the entire series.
I'd even go so far as to say GT's ending is miles better than Z's. GT actually gives the characters proper farewells for the most part, giving the audience a chance to reminisce before it's all over. I get that Toriyama was going for an open ending with Z, with room for fans to sort of imagine on their own what happened after it all, but he kind of tripped and fell in the execution. It just feels like a non-ending, where the story just kind of... stops instead of having an actual conclusion.
@@GamingintheAM0801 it only gives goku a farewell, everyone else minus annoying little pan is treated like trash from start to finish lol
I hate the ending because were meant to accept that there were no more saiyans left except Pans grandson? So what happened to Trunks, Goten and Bulla, they would've surely had kids and grandkids. It just felt like everything Goku and Vegeta fought for throughout Z was all for nothing in the end
@@Highbudget lol exactly, people just blindly overrate gt for some weird reason
@@derek5608Super is the reason GT is getting some love,DBS is mega terminal herpes.
Lovely episode. I would love to see a “Finally Watched” for Arcane. Been curious on your opinions on that for a while.
Oh man, absolutely would love his opinion on Arcane.
He hasn't watched arcane? that is craazzyyy.
I'd so want to see him talk about Arcane. But he's also a man who doesn't want to watch something until it's fully done (most times).
I love arcane! My only gripe is all the imagine dragons.
@@MyLifeInAshes nah. Enemy be Hella hype.
It's just crazy that GT came out on TV only a week after DBZ ended in Japan lol. There was a lot of Dragon Ball fatigue in Japan for that reason, which might attribute to why GT was so short.
It did??? Yeah I can see why the Japanese audience wasn’t receptive.
Ignoring the fatigue, story is all over the place. Every arc just feels like some last minute elevator pitch. Hell omega shenron just shows up out of nowhere after watching Goku and pan fight a bunch of clown villains.
@@victorpleitez768 I think that was a huge problem, the tonal shift. After DBZ, the show that was ridiculously more popular than it's predecessor, they go back to Dragonball style of story and tone.
That shit wasn't received well. THEN, I guess they realized that and switch it up to something more DBZ like, which seem like it comes outta nowhere and is ANOTHER tonal shift.
@@JMartNotKMart no that’s how Japanese TV works. There are no breaks
@@pn2294There are advertising breaks all the time on Japanese TV. I live in Japan... even in the dragon ball anime series there are ad break cutaways (2 second clip of Goku playing with Gohan).
SS4 with the fantastic Japanese SS4 theme is still imo my favorite transformation in all of Dragon Ball. It's so emotional for such an aggressive physical transformation.
I agreed. It's not a empty scene.
Its strange that nowadays GT is still criticized with some negative aspects that actually are happening in Dragonball Super but fans are loving without questioning like the new Gohan Transformation in Super Hero. Just there, without anything been explained.
@@ricardosalavisa4490 couldn’t agree more the fans of super now only think it’s so great because it’s what their growing up with but for a lot of us grew up with Z and GT later on and obviously they don’t have that non biased opinion on super
I know right! He was a golden Ape destroying everything and his granddaughter crying made him transform! It's an amazing scene!!!
@@ricardosalavisa4490 I disagree about Gohan Beast. Gohan's potential had been unlocked in the Boo Arc with next to no payoff until Super Hero. Thinking his daughter's in trouble gets him back to SSJ2, his peak in the Cell Arc. Thinking his daughter's in pain gets him back to Ultimate Gohan, his peak in the Boo Arc. But what brings him beyond that is his bond with Piccolo, which is pretty special.
But I agree that most forms in Super lack emotion. SSJ4 has more emotional weight than any form in the Super anime so far.
To be fair, there are stakes unlike super and the original Japanese music is amazing. The Canadian dub kept the music too. Super feel fan service and meta in regard break fourth wall and give screen time to the supporting humans. The action is tame and more Pg compared to the 90s. However, z got the nice cell saga music in the dub.
I think it's actually a pretty fun "what if", if you end DBZ you can watch this or super, both timelines work pretty well. It's entertaining and that's all that matters to me. I always enjoyed the return of 17.
Can you help me understand why people like super 17? He’s brainwashed the whole time so it’s not like it’s the actual character
@@yorknew423 hes trash
@@yorknew423 I just think it's the fact that it's a returning character, so after a whole show of watching basically 'new' characters, for me, it was refreshing to see an old face return; even if it's in an altered state. But that's just my personal feeling on it.
I agree and I love GT as much as I love DB and DBZ. Never seen super yet. Except the Broly movie. After I get done with DBZ, and GT, I’ll watch Super.
@@jennikifm2 super is a roller coaster, some amazing but alot of boring bad shit
GT had lots of flaws but here are some things i liked:
- Gogeta and the fact that it had Goku's personality having more influence
- Goku's Super Sayan 4 design was pretty cool
- The idea that the dragon balls being used and abused so much could have consequences and to create villains out of the dragon balls, specially Omega Shenron.
- Going around the universe searching for the dragon balls(allthough it takes a bit of the tension from the earth being in danger away).
- The ending, although kind of sad because he leaves, was awesome and very emotional. I always though that one day Goku would get granted a special place (maybe immortality) and become the dragon balls guardian (at least that is how i saw that ending). He always protected not only the earth but every innocent.
I felt so happy when i found out dragon ball super was coming out but so far for me it has been a bit dissapointing because of the power levels all over the place. It had so much potential, especially when Evil Goku was announced. Evil Goku should be the final villain. Kind of a what if Goku had turned bad and foccused all his power on destroying instead of being a force for good.
For me GT had some of the best ideas of dragonball franchise.. from baby looking to take revenge for what saiyans used to do and reintergrating the power and importance of dragon balls which Z pretty much steered away from completely after frieza arc and the super saiyan 4 transformation is still my favorite… the negative is their execution.. watching GT felt alot like watching the last season of game of thrones for me.. I likes the ideas but the less interesting moments dragged way too long and the more interesting moments went way too quick
I think youre right. The concepts were really cool. Super feels like more of the same.
Baby being a justified villain but then ending up being a run of the mill DB villain is so disapointing
I still love the idea of the of there being consequences for overusing the dragonballs.
Much better than granola from the super manga or that professor from one off special.
like alot villians after DBZ, Super and GT really felt like they wanted to make a great villain, more with GT than Super imo. But just can't get
certain nuances I like about villains right. Maybe I was expecting too much from both, especially Super. Its dragonball afterall.
About the beam thing, during the Super 17 fight, when Goku finds out 17 can absorb his beams he acts like he can’t do anything about it. Like if he was in a pinch. It frustrates me because it’s so out of character for Goku not to use martial arts when that’s how most of his fights go.
Yeah Goku was fighting like Vegeta when Vegeta loses his cool and fights out desperation.
@@The810kid bro exactly what I said ! Hes just fighting like vegeta out of desperation instead of using his head.
For real. At least in ToP, Goku and Vegeta threw boulders at a guy who absorbed beams as well
That was Goku's dumbest fight in the whole franchise. He was dumber in that fight than in any other fight.
Uhh what? Didn't he find out when Super 17 absorbed his 10x kamehameha ? And he couldn't have done a thing with martial arts after that?
Super Saiyan 4 is an amazing concept that they sort of brought back with Broly with mixing Great Ape power with their base/SSJ forms, feels like Broly is the perfect opportunity to make Super Saiyan 4 canon.
It would be an amazing idea that this was like an unique transformation for Broly. I hope he gets a good use in the last arc of Super in the manga.
I really liked the design of SS4 as well as Beby's character design
Yeah, it’s soooo much better than SSJ God or SSJ Blue. They should have taken some inspiration for SSJ God from SSJ4.
There is no canon in Dragon Ball. There is only official product or not. That's why we still get SS4 in new content in manga, shows, and games. Japan doesn't really do the whole canon thing. Official products just exist simultaneously. It confused me a long time ago with Tenchi Muyo.
"...I didn't wanted to have bad memories associated with Dragon Ball in anyway, except that movie. Ahhhh... that movie..." hahaha we all felt that one. 😂
I've only ever dropped a few tears in 2 episodes in the entire series: First from the episode where master Roshi nearly died in the super universe tournament, and the last episode of GT.
Man that last GT episode just hit me really hard somehow. Absolutely loved it.
EDIT: Having just heard you felt nothing with the ending, I believe that comes from you already knowing there is Super and the Super movies already out, so that last episode didn't hit as hard as it would have, had you watched it before all of the Super to exist. I know for a fact that I won't be feeling much about the last episode either, having now watched the entire Super anime, their movies and read the manga up to date.
Super takes place BEFORE GT, so nothing is really changed....
@@POTATOEMPN Yes, but that's not what I meant. I just meant the actual manga/anime/movies were not out then at the time of GT.
I feel this, I do think the fact super is out takes away from the last episode, but alas, nothing you can do about that now lol
GT is the definition of good ideas and bad execution. The main highlight is SSJ4, having the more primal look mixed with the SSJ transformation was great.
Excellent Ideas - Decent Execution (at times).
Two of the best ideas that fell flat on their faces were Baby and the Shadow Dragons. Focusing on the crimes of the Saiyans and using the Dragonballs as a villain were great ideas. Too bad they did nothing interesting with them.
I honestly do not like the SSJ4 form at all. Except for the gold pants a guess lol. SSJ4 and 3 just don’t really do it for me
Both G.t. and Super have interesting and fun ideas, with terrible execution.
Omega shenron is cool and I like his voice
As a kid I loved the Super 17 arc and seeing some of the movie villains like Cooler and Bojack (made me wonder too why Broly was never shown).
Super 17 was amazing!
Non canon
GT was lit as hell as a kid. The villains might not measure up to the originals but we're still insane. Baby and Super Android 17 were metal.
I agree on Baby but super 17 is dogshit
I remember watching Dragon Ball GT on Toonami, and yet I remember very little of the shows plots or what the hell was going on that show. That’s how much GT is close to my heart.
I always found Baby to be a awesome villain, hopefully they can make him and both Super Saiyan 4 forms of Goku and Vegeta canon in DragonBall Super like how they did for Broly.
Eww, no thanks. Don't want Super butchering the forms nor the tuffles's concepts
@@lapplandkun9273 yeah Super would ruin them so bad
Baby was just a regurgitation of Cell. All the GT villains were boring.
@@ricardocantoral7672 As opposed to the lame villains of Super 💀? Nah GT villains were cool
@@ricardocantoral7672 Same with super. Goku black was just a fan made evil goku. Frieza was brought back for nostalgia. Copy vegeta was a worse version of baby vegeta.
I was 13 when I discovered Dragon Ball GT before then my friend used to bring printouts from the computer of characters I never seen before to school a year later I found VHS tapes at FYE and thought to myself the story continues!
In latinomerica they actually adapted and translated the intro theme song, "Mi Corazón Encantado". It easly carries the show lol I never thought GT was thaat bad.
Dragon Ball GT suffered from the overly high expectations fans had for it. The DB property was white HOT and fans couldn't wait to see a continuation of the series. I think my biggest issue with it was the mundane Americanized music. I love Mark Menza's work on projects like The Return of Cooler and Super Android 13. But for whatever reason it wasn't hitting with me like the Faulconer score did with DBZ. There's a handful of tracks that get used over and over. And not that many big villains have their own unique theme song. In a way Menza's score opened my eyes and helped me appreciate the original Japanese music for DB properties. I also felt like the choreography for the fights in GT were very repetative. In almost every fight the characters spam out ki blasts with little hand to hand combat. I appreciate the show for what it is and tried to do. But its not my cup of tea.
They never should've shrunk Goku. Instead replace him with Goten and finally develop his character. Use Goku's teen look from Dragonball
The music was definitely underwhelming although ironically it has one of the best OP songs of the entire franchise. But imo the music was the least of my problems, the direction to GT was all over the place. It had no consistent tone whatsoever and the fights were just flat out boring. Idk how you can make so many fights for a series like Dragon Ball boring when it’s arguably the best battle shonen ever
I have fond memories of gt and there are still moments I enjoy to this day. SS4 is my favorite transformation feels like a saiyan in his "perfect" form eliminating weaknesses in each fighter, making goku an adult and giving vegeta his tail back originally the source of a true saiyans power aswell as low kai drain. But there is some weird episodes which I completely forgot about, it's because they are so bad I totally forgot about them! I also remember playing gt on the ps2 and at the time thought it was made up because in the UK at least I had never seen anything past ss2
I have always loved the notion that Yi Xing Long ( Omega Shenron ) , being the supposed superme symbol of negative energy , is frozen in fear by the amount of positive energy that Goku and his Universal Spirit Bomb holds .
Also the ambiguity regarding Goku's death , is also something I appreciate. My opinion is , no he wasn't dead but a change overcame him for sure. His body absorbs the energy of the Negative Karma Ball , makes it his own life force , keeping him just alive to end off the final villain. IMO , he dies immediately after , revived by Shenron ( the red eye glow ) , to leave with him as a part of his 'deal' .
I think this is where Super took inspiration from , in terms of Goku's body absorbing the massive attack that supposedly kills Goku but actually upgrades him.
My interpretation is that when he swallowed the 4 star ball it allowed him to directly be in contact with Shenron which is why when he was holding the karma ball he was talking to ''someone'' asking them to grant one more wish just one last time and promises to get by without using the dragonballs again, he is clearly talking to Shenron who actually grants his wish which was to bring Goku back to life as that is the only way I can see him surviving that blast. Its either that shenron granted him immortality which is why Omega Shenron's blasts had no effect on base Goku, or he granted him a power boost equivalent to the shadow dragons collectively added to his own power since the dragon can only grant what is within their power limits, which means the reason Omega couldn't phase Goku was that base Goku actually got a power boost so high his base form surpassed Omega and became immortal on top of that because he merged with Shenron by swallowing the dragonball.
Or the universal spirit bomb gave Goku this power boost, it could be one or the other, but all I know is that Goku merged with Shenron and became immortal at the end of GT which is why 100 years later his great great grandson summons the dragon out of the 4 star ball and instead summons Goku who is the new dragon of the balls, Goku grants Goku jrs wish to save Pan, effectively GT ended where dragonball began with the 4 star ball, and Goku merging with his most treasured item and becoming its gaurdian once again in different way Goku effectively made a promise to Shenron and then kept that promise to take responsibility for the dragonball's becoming their gaurdien, its poetic its the perfect way to wrap up the whole series.
@@hyperrunner893 Wow , I actually love this explanation. This is why I appreciate GT , it pulls of a Deus ex Machina type finale , leaving people with multiple interpretations , one explanation adding more sense than the previous one
@@hyperrunner893 I actually bothered enough to re-watch the scene (sub) , and the exact words were *Those Dragonballs have saved the Earth on many occasions , but this time they are not here to do it . This time I will have to save the Earth myself. I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY IT* , I believe the Dragonballs (Shenron) heard through Goku's resolve and granted him the power to finish off the final villain like you said.
The ending of GT was absolutely amazing, I meant the song, and the flashbacks, really made tear up as a kid. They didn't do Vegeta any justice in my opinion, Super did, Vegeta would never use technology to reach a new form, never, he will work his butt off to achieve it, that's what I liked about him in the first place.
I agree that GT did not do Vegeta any justice, but disagree that he would “never use technology to reach a new form.” He whored his body out to Babidi for a power boost, just to ensure that he’d finally be able to beat Goku.
I mean, that's a fair assessment...but also, Vegeta DID allow himself to get mind controlled by Babidi just cause he felt becoming a family man made him soft. Depending on the Era were talking here, Vegeta isn't necessarily above using shortcuts to achieve a power boost if it means getting him to Goku's level.
I actually really like what they did with Vegeta, not with the Bebi stuff mind you since honestly it just seemed so pointless to make Vegeta a bad guy through possession when there was a true story there about Saiyans being made to face the sins of their past but in terms of his development? They did a good job of growing him the hell up and I even think him relying on a machine shows that. At that point, it demonstrates he doesn't really care if this is not him earning an ability and just understands he needs to get to Goku's level to help deal with this threat and also as people mentioned... Vegeta is fine with taking shortcuts. I mean this is an aspect preserved in Super even, Vegeta didn't stop to complain that SSG wasn't a true Super Saiyan form since you get it by ritual and not through hardwork, he just was annoyed he wasn't achieving it. He let Babidi control him to tap into his potential just so he could fight Goku. This man wanted to wish for immortality even though he knew that meant fighting against anyone would be worthless since he was gonna win every time just by outlasting his opponents.
Vegeta and Trunks were always my favorite characters of DBZ, and of all time really. What they did with both of them in GT was always my biggest issue. Goku is awesome, but some other characters deserved to have their moments. DBS did more for side characters but I never liked that the creator only really cared about Goku. DBZ is the only one that really let other characters have full arcs and truly shine imo.
@@squid4554 I agree totally my main gripe with GT was that everyone was completely useless bar Goku when it come to fighting. Super isn't too great at giving other people some time to shine as Goku gets a new form every arc to finish the strongest yet again but others play a part especially in the tournament of power but in GT it's literally only Goku that can do damage until Vegeta helps 5 minutes from the end of the last arc. I know he's the main guy but I found it boring as hell.
I’m loving all of the DB content you’ve been making. You grew up at the same exact time period as me when it comes to anime coming to America, and I respect your opinions of the franchise. I have recently watched GT all the way through, and boy, it really is not great lol.
I’d argue Vegeta had character growth when he swallowed his pride and had to admit yet again Goku was stronger than him. Vegeta would never want to cheat for more power but this situation was so desperate he chose the short cut via the blutz waves to protect his fellow z fighters
that isnt really proper character growth though. he already had that arc. repeating the same character arc is not exactly growth. its just lazy
@@archivelibrarian6818 I dunno about that. Sure, Vegeta was badly utilized in the show but i felt his character development is spot on. If you have seen the show in Japanese and not the shitty english version, Vegeta's arc actually makes sense. Ever since he admitted Goku was number one, Vegeta has been struggling to find new reason to keep getting strong and eventually decides that he should keep getting stronger for his own sake, to break his own limits rather than chase around Goku again.
@@teriosshadow17 you cant blame reusing the same arc on the "shitty dub." even in the manga its the exact same. unless youre talking about the morro arc, vegetas character arc was just a lesser reused version of his original Z arc, dub or not. thank you for proving my point by just repeating his arc in Z lol
@@archivelibrarian6818 Not really. Its not exactly same. He isn't nowhere near prideful as he was in Z and even is the one suggesting fusion with Goku(something that he absolutely detested against in the Buu saga until he had no choice but to fuse)
it's not really cheating. You can't train your way up to SSJ4, not even Goku did that.
For real what you said about potentially recalling staying up playing with your kids, taking care of them and watching anime made my heart melt bro
You know, I have fond memories of GT. Maybe because I was at the end of my childhood when I first watched it, right after Z. And here in Argentina it got a porper dub, with the original soundtrack and score. And I think it was the first time I cried at the end of a series/movie in my life, when watching the last episode. Like, Goku was saying goodbye to me, to all of us. And I was saying hello to my teenage years. Nostalgia? Probably. But I accept it, and embrace it.
Let's see what good ol' Chris hast to say!
Really glad you brought up my single biggest issue with the show that many people for some reason skip over: the fight scenes in GT really do just blow for the most part. While many of them are technically well animated, they lack any sort of punch or intrigue. They're often slow beam-fests with little actual hand-to-hand choreography. We talk a lot about the emotions, the plot, and the characters in Dragon Ball. But like you said, at the end of the day, the story of Dragon Ball is mainly conveyed through fight scenes, and when those aren't on point, you have a major problem. For all my issues with Super, and there are plenty, that show at the very least often had some really exhilarating, well done battle sequences that this show just never has.
Super has rare occurances of good fight scenes, but most of them are awful. Even the fight scenes in Super Hero aren't that good. Super Broly is the major exception.
The first two arcs that retell the BoG and RoF movies are probably the most offensive and really shouldn't have been made in the first place. As well as many of the fights in the Goku Black arc. It didn't start to give decent fights until the ToP arc, but almost every major fight in Super hinges on some new transformation miraculously appearing during the fight. On top of that none of the fights feel like they have stakes.
@@link1565V2 Yup, Super had nothing special in terms of fights until maybe ToP. That's 80-90% of the show without it, not counting the movies.
Idk if I'd say the story of DB is "conveyed" through fight scenes. It's almost the opposite. Where fights are used to stall enemies so that other characters can do stuff that advances the plot.
@@link1565V2 And the only thing good about the Top arc are scenes involving UI, which is like 5% of it at best, the rest is a cringe fest, just the most idiotic, dumbed down insult of intelligence ever put on screen as far as dragonball goes, every character is stupid, every design is so awful and stupid, there is literally no logic or consistency whatsoever, nothing in super makes any sense, there is no powerscaling at all, its like a video game where everyone can fight anyone, the powerscaling is a mess, the worst powerscaling I've ever seen in anything for e.g one moment female Broly manhandles SSJB Goku with ease, he doesn't stand a chance against her, even his full power kamehamea was like nothing to her, (a cheap duplicate of the broly movie for cheap nostalgia marketing) next minute his SSJB is evenly matched against a much stronger form of her AND when she's fused with Caulifla and therefore hundreds of times stronger than when she just destroyed him in his strongest form, which means super made a character actually get weaker after doing fusion! Yeah, what in the actual fuck bro.
And that was some of the more intellectually tolerable scenes, most of it was even more cringe than that, the only way to enjoy super is by turning your brain off the entire time because it constantly insults your intelligence with poor writting that doesn't even try to make any sense or have any logical or stylistic consistency with the previous show or even its own show for that matter, every episode or even scene contradicts the previous episode or scene, its the most self contradicting show I've ever watched and that makes it the most irritating show in dragonball to watch, despite it actually having some exciting scenes at times, the logic surrounding it is a mess, the only thing super has over GT is that its overall more entertaining, but its writing is atrocious, at least GT had great ideas and felt like it was part of Z, even though GT was dull and rushed, at least it didn't constantly insult your intelligence and irritate you, GT at least had the potential to be a great show if it wasn't rushed and therefore would've had better execution and more story arcs, both shows are sort of opposites, GT is kinda boring and unexciting because it was rushed but had amazing ideas and potentially great writing if done right and still felt very connected to z and had a small amount of highly emotional moments like SSJ4 transformation when he reminisces his whole life and the earth his home that he is trying to protect actually is what transforms him and gives him the power to protect it, or like the ending that were some of the strongest in the franchise, Super is often quite entertaining but has the most atrocious writting and atrocious ideas that tarnish the franchise and feels like a high production fanfiction with no stylistic or logical connection to the original shows, in all, both are dissapointing in very different ways but if I had to pick which one had the most potential to being a great show and live up to DBZ its GT for certain.
@@raveoreynolds6049 I couldn’t disagree more. The story is literally told through battle sequences. That’s the main language the show uses to tell it’s story. The fight scenes are inseparable tied to the plot. Hell, they basically ARE the plot most of the time.
The Super Saiyan 4 transformations make GT worthwhile
I bought the first few episodes in VHS way back when - enjoyed it a lot, love the art style / aesthetic, more so than the newer stuff
Goku S.Saiyan 4 transformation was quite awesome, from lying in the ground about to die to stand up in rage with red eyes screaming like hell. (Gohan SS2 transformation is still my favourite though).
Vegita's did something similar in DBZ by letting himself controlled by Babidi's magic to achieve more power. Nothing wrong by using Bulma's tech machine, just my opinion of course. Great honest review!
While GT wasn’t the best, it still has one of my favourite scenes in the series - Goku’s final goodbye on the back of Shenron, reminiscing with characters from Dragonball to DBZ and GT before flying off into what was then, the end of anime for the foreseeable future. Went to school that day feeling bummed that I’d miss this fictional character so much.
For all its faults, GT is still a fun ride! The American intro is a banger regardless, best part about life is we are all different. Great video!
Ok I am loving the deep dive of going through whole dragon ball z era in this channel.
As a kid, I always liked GT. It reminded me of the original Dragon Ball. Serial adventures with Goku, pan and Trunks running around the universe chasing after Dragon Balls. Not so much about super powered battles, more of an adventure story.
But isn't it only like that in the beginning of the show?
It kinda jumps back and forth. Beginning is about adventures, then it becomes about super powered battles for a good while, but when they get to the arc where they have to fight all the evil dragons from the corrupted dragon balls, it temporarily goes back to being an adventure story
@@maleficking6556 That first arc makes up a third of the show. They return to the Dragon Ball search format with the Evil Dragons Arc, it just concludes with a Z-type battle. So let's say half the show is like that.
The way he just glosses over the whole Searching Space Arc is just disappointing. He acted like that creepy priest and those dancing aliens were the whole arc, just like Totally Not Mark's review. Many people who hate on GT repeat the same points.
Honestly this is why I always preferred The OG Dragon Ball over Z, Super and GT
It was always about the adventure searching for the dragon balls
Yeah it's very flawed but I still have a lot of love for GT. The ending of Dragon Ball GT specifically just floored me! To this day when I see that montage of the entire series with Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku playing I start crying!
I've always thought GT was fine. It stays around the same quality as the Buu arc. I also just kinda loved the adventure sections of it.
For all the things GT does wrong, the ending is a masterpiece. My favorite anime ending of all time and a perfect ending for Goku.
Literally how. He leaves for 100 years and comes back to his friends all dead. It's such a horrible ending. Goku was known for dissapearing and ditching his friends and family for years at a time, and the ending does it AGAIN. a better ending would be if Goku stayed with his family and friends, breaking that cycle of him not being there for them.
Kind like a ending similar to Yu Yu Hakusho
I remember getting choked up watching it.
Agree, the omega shenron episodes are good and the ending is indeed amazing
@@Noided88815 I understand your point, but who's to say Goku didn't come back to live with is family again many times? It was even implied that he'd be back, even though Goku is known to go off for a while he always comes back, so I very much doubt that was his last time on earth, so in keeping with what he always does, Goku definitely returned to his family and friends.
GT managed to do something most of the other DB shows didn't. It handled a lot of the power creep the shows were guilty of.
Most of the villains had weird abilities that made them strong, and not just pure power. Obviously not the case with all of them, but it was refreshing.
It also finally gave some sort of consequence for using the Dragon Balls way too much. After the newest movie, I wished that would return.
I still really enjoy GT.
I agree, also the villain designs were great. And SSJ4 is still my favourite transformation
9:20 - I feel you may have missed the point of Super Saiyan 4, it’s not about power it’s about control. Also transforms stopped being earned by the time we get to the Buu saga, at that point they’re just handed out
13:15 - Vegeta didn’t need the machine to become a Super Saiyan 4, he needed it to become a Great Ape, because you know, he didn’t have a tail, that’s the entire point of the machine.
I agree with this so much. Whenever I hear people say that vegeta transforms because of Bulma's device, I wonder if there is some mistranslation in the english version. The device only allows him to transform into a great ape, the same way he did in DBZ with an energy ball when he first came to earth, exept it transforms him without the tail. Vegeta's SSJ4 transformations is earned legitimately just like Goku, by being powerfull enough to go SSJ as a great ape and maintaining control. I dont understand why people don't get that.
Also imo this transformation has a lot more depth than most those that happen in DBZ, I think people saying that transformations felt more intense back then must be nostalgia goggles, because there are exactly 2 charecters that have intense pain to transform, those being Goku and Future Trunks and the latter was a tv special, not really the original show. You can say Gohan SSJ2 was intense emotion too, thats true, but his SSJ transformation was rushed af, and SSJ2 was forgoten like 3 episodes later pretty much.
To me SSJ4 feels like the perfect endgame for the warrior race, the peak of power contained in a saiyan body, that manages to dominate their natural destruction instincts, and I love everything about it. But I have to say I agree that all fights in GT are pretty much ass.. terrible
I completely agree on both points.
Loved GT. More than Super. It felt like the perfect ending to DBZ and gave us the best transformation in the series.
Dan Dan is one of my favourite anime theme of all time, GT even though it's not canon it will always have a special place in my heart maybe because I grew up watching it.
One positive I will give GT is Vegeta showed the emotional maturity to bring forth the idea of fusion and not whine about it. That’s something Super even to this day gets wrong so theres that at least
Exactly! Super basically ignored Vegeta's development!
@@thatguyintherain3168 I’d argue that his character had some of the most development in the Super series 🤔
I’m halfway through GT and I see nothing coming forth from Vegeta’s character.
The fact he’s embarrassed to do fusion just plays into the comedy of the scene. It’s just played for laughs.
But Super showed Vegeta really grow when it came to caring about his family.
You’re reaching
@@JM-pm1yb I wouldn't really call that development. That was just reiterating characterization he already received in Buu saga.
They should’ve replaced Kid Goku with Gohan traveling with his daughter and Trunks and made Uub a new, substantial supporting character on the team, then it could’ve been an epic sequel series. The idea of the Dark Dragon Balls and Shadow dragons is awesome, a lot of the villain designs were really good, the darker tone was a good move at the time, I really like the SS4 design and I think it’s a much better final transformation than SS God, SS Blue or Ultra Instinct & going back to basics with a smaller team and having them travel around the universe similar to the Frieza saga was a good premise.
GT was when I started to notice anime could be falshy but shallow. We watched like 20 eps straight one day at a friends house as we all played games and I never had a desire to watch any more. Please do more of this style though, I love these random retrospectives.
Weird , i got that impression from Super .
And i'd say GT's longest bad execution was the initial 15 episodes , i like the vibe but the problem is that's all it is for 15 episodes , no dbz like fights .
Here in Mexico we had great spanish covers of all the Japanese themes for the shows, most 90s kids know the gt theme song by heart haha
*hugs* dude you are awesome you know that ? you have a beautiful mind and through your videos i got to see aspects of it , your evolution of explaining things , becoming wiser , understanding different viewpoints and giving a well rounded explanation of a subject . its always a treat to listen to you talk about things , i'm a bit late but congrats on the twins ! i know you have your hands full with them but i wish you the world for you and your family. my family is kinda broken right now so its nice to see good fathers and good human being trying to be good in general . all the best to you buddy , may you shine like star
great review! as a lifelong DBZ fan you hit the nail on the head. Baby is kinda cool, I like SSJ4, and the omega shenron stuff is cool but everything else is pretty ass. Ive always been a fan of the ending, always thought of it as a nice tribute to dragonball and what it means to people. some really cool nuggets of ideas in the series, I always wished to see some of it elaborated better in a more well put tg show/story.
Chris brother. I would be really awesome if you watched and reviewed the animated show Arcane. It's one of the greatest animated shows ever made and very masterful in story telling. You will probably never see this but I figured I'd put it out there.
I would've enjoyed Dragon Ball GT a lot more if they actually succeeded in turning Goku back into an adult by the end of the first arc. Him being trapped in a child's body, despite being married, having kids, and having grandkids is very off putting.
Aside from that, I like the characterization of the main cast, notably Vegeta being much more mellow now, and Piccolo's epic sacrifice
Exactly that’s what I hated about GT Goku being a little kid that shit was wack
That is why Dragon Ball Super is made…..LOL
I mean he wasn't actually a "kid" in an age sense. It was just in stature. He was literally a midget.
But, no excuses. It was bad. It was confirmed they did it to appeal to kids.
@@Jackie535 Yeah but in super looks like an adult and acts like a kid lol
@@Jackie535 fact and these GT fans saying it’s better then super 🤦🏽♂️ no way Goku as a Little kid completely made me hate GT
Bro made me cry when talking about staying up with his little ones watching anime as I’ve just gone through this myself. Much love stuckman
A couple thoughts on this analysis of GT I have:
I kind of agree on the fact that Goku going Super Saiyan 4 doesn’t really have a ton of weight when you consider it on its own. However, not only is the transformation born from his love for his family and friends on Earth (in regaining his rationality as a Golden Great Ape by remembering a tender moment he shared with Pan as a little kid), to the point of the Earth itself literally standing in for the full moon for the first phase of his transformation, it means a lot to his history throughout the original series. Characters are more than the arc happening in front of them; their history matters for milestones like this. We started off the series with Goku being unable to control his Great Ape power, then one of the major milestones became when he went Super Saiyan for the first time. Now, not only has he advanced to a point to where he can control his ape power which has more significance in the series lore, he marries it with his more iconic Super Saiyan form. The scene where he unveils the form for the first time is Goku at his most realized as a character; this is Goku’s final form. A Saiyan by blood who unlocked his true power with his Earthling heart.
Vegeta using the Blutz Wave machine to transform into Super Saiyan 4 isn’t out of character. His pride is strong, yes, but by the end of the Majin Buu arc, Vegeta’s development finished off with him basically giving up his selfish quest to grow better than Kakarot because he feels like he deserves it. He’s not the selfish Saiyan prince we saw him as throughout most of Z in GT especially; he’s more of an Earthling due to Goku’s influence. DB Super likes to perpetually portray Vegeta the way he was in the Cell Saga; as someone who only cares about growing stronger than Goku and his pride that’s the excuse for every stupid decision he makes in the story. Vegeta’s pride is strong, yes, but there are instances in even Z where his pride doesn’t stop him, such as when he allies with Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo on Namek, or when he basically lets go and begs Goku to kill Freeza. In GT, if Vegeta refused to use the Blutz Wave machine to grow stronger and just stubbornly insisted to fight as he was, like DBS Vegeta would’ve, that would’ve been dumb writing, because it would betray the development he went through in Z, which already did away with his far more charming intelligent and calculating side to his personality after Namek. Vegeta allowing himself to gain power through a way other than improvement-especially when he uses “I can’t let another home planet be destroyed” as justification, since he sees Earth as a home since Buu-is perfectly in character for this version of him. Why do you think he ONLY wears Earth clothes in GT and not the same armor set we’ve always seen him wearing in everything else?
Think Super Saiyan 4 is the only form in the franchise to feel unearned through work or struggle? Tell me, what did you feel when Super Saiyan 3 was unveiled? Or is that Z, so it gets a free pass?
To like appreciate GT it helps that I watched it right after watching dragonball z for the first time. Back then there was no DBS so the only progression of our beloved characters existed at the time in GT. It gave the series an end with some payoffs and dynamics between different characters which we never got from DBZ. Having Goku as a kid is always brings back that funny yet light hearted humor we always had since DB. And they gave Goku the most absolute Super Saiyan transformation.Of course it is technically non-canon, but that never matter to me in the first place.
Same here, I watched it back to back with DBZ and I thought it was fine. I think certain elements played extra well, like the fast pacing. After the absolute slog that was the Buu arc, the zippy no-filler (mostly) storylines really felt refreshing. I see it as kind of like Return Of The Jedi. No, it's not as good as what came before, but it's still a good-enough end to the 'trilogy.'
I've always had the same thought, the show was good, and it had some cool ideas that could never happen because it got cancelled, unfortunately when something doesn't work in Japan, it just doesn't. The Toriyama fans were pissed
9:28 haaaard disagree! The only transformations I can remember that were linked to strougle and pain were Goku's Super Sayan 1, Goten's Super Sayan 2 and maybe Vegeta's Super Sayan 1. Everything else happened off screen and pretty much only Goku's Super Sayan 3 was given any sort of gravitas. In GT at least they tried to make transformations seem important again.
You mean Gohan’s Super Saiyan 2, right?
Gohan ss1 was through struggle too
Vegeta majin and ss2 was struggle too
The only struggle in gt was ss4 but that was the only one transformation that they did
Future Trunks transformation came from a huge loss....
His Black T-Shirt in every video of his keeps getting better and better
That Japanese intro unlocked some buried nostalgia in me. I’ve never watched GT but that theme feels like something I definitely heard in my childhood a lot. Wtf
I love GT personally. It's the season that has the most "adventure" vibe. It kinda reminds me the most of Dragon Quest.
I had a very similar situation during covid and the lockdown in California, so I sat down and watched stuff that I normally wouldn't. I finally watched The devil May cry animated series, I watched the rest of the Street fighter movies including alpha and generations. And my favorite out of all the things I watched was the old Guyver cartoon. I loved the movie in that era of practical effects so it only made sense to watch the animated series for however little time it was available. Much love to you and be safe
Was the devil may cry series any good?
@@markjackson6151 good for it's time, few nuggets of great storytelling, mostly violence and decent animation. Ending wasn't the best but so far it's all they have besides the games
What Stuckman feel about GT is what I’m feeling about Super. Transformations don’t mean shit anymore. It has no weight like Z.
At least GT tried to do something different with its transformations. Super just cycles through different rainbow colors. I mean, it even seems self-aware about this, with the Rose' power up that Black uses clearly being a joke.
@@jasonblalock4429 agreed
Here in Latinamerica, the Japanese intro was dubbed using the same melody, and the result is pretty good. At least here in Mexico, most people hate GT, but in any convention, when the song starts playing, everyone start singing
This was a great review Chris, and you seem like a great father.
Funnily enough I watched dbz scattered through cable when I was a kid then when I turned like 16 Gt was the first time I watched anything dragon ball from start to finish so it gave me a love for dbz even more since I started with the worse series as my starter.. I thought it was good but as i went back and binged dbz from saiyan saga to the buu saga i understood the hatred for gt but I never felt the same hate.. besides all the bad stuff it really wasn’t that bad, it was just ok imo and it taught me that just bc everyone else doesn’t like something doesn’t mean you shouldnt give it a try
Dragonball z was my all time FAVORITE thing as a kid. And GT was something I had always heard about and had seen images and toys of the characters in GT but never could find a way to watch it. So it just seemed like the coolest thing in the world that i always wanted to experience. Then as a teenager I was able to watch it and.....did not know how to feel lol.
Loved GT, I thought the ideas and execution were both solid. Nothing will ever beat the Cell Saga in Z, but the series isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
Haven't watched it since way back when. But, I do remember going straight from DBZ to GT is a huge drop in quality and just not the type of show people wanted. I can probably go back now and watch it through different eyes.
This was a very sweet and personal video. Genuinely appreciate the video and the angle you had here.
I love how you gracefully review stuff and stick to the critical aspects of things you didn’t like, while trying to be mindful of the efforts of the creators. As opposed to bashing the whole thing. Very refreshing. We need more of this on the internet.
And thank you for sitting through GT so I don’t have to!
I disagree with your thoughts on Goku's ss4 transformation. It was definitely epic and earned. He transformed after snapping out of a mindless ape state which was triggered by his granddaughters tears. He realized he was doing exactly what he hates the most and stands up and fights against - that being killing people and general destruction of a planet. The design is so epic and cool and side note, ss4 Gogeta is the coolest character design I have ever seen in my life
Other than the black star dragonball arc, I never had any real problem with dragonball GT. The music, particularly the Japanese version was great, the battles were good, Super Saiyan 4 was awesome, the animation was good, the consequences for the overuse of the dragonballs was a great idea, and the ending of dragonball gt is the best ending of any in the dragonball franchise.
Also, Vegeta only needed the blutz wave machine to transform into a great ape, since Vegeta didn't have a tail. If Vegeta could get his tail back, he wouldn't even need the blutz wave machine, that was made by Bulma by the way. Vegeta can create an artificial moon on his own, and can control his great ape form. Combine that with his ability to transform into a super saiyan, and Vegeta has everything that he needs to reach Super Saiyan 4 on his own, except for his tail, which is essential. That's why he needed Bulma's help, and it shows Vegeta's character development to get help from his wife to catch up to Goku.
Dragon ball GT will always be better than Super simply because GT is hand drawn.
Doesn mean it’s a good show
GT felt futuristic and advanced.
Was great, hard to dislike.
That intro theme song was fire 🔥
Shit hit hard and was gangster af.
9:15 You clearly didnt watch the super saiyan 4 transformation or youre just hating. He was looking at the earth when he was transforming, and aside from the fact that he replaced it for a full moon, it reminded him what hes fighting for. His family and friends who are all living there and where he made all of those memories he cherishes . I say it was a beautiful transformation, better than any of the ones from super imo.
I LIKE DBGT….. I liked it since i saw it as a kid. Never understood the hate other than people bitching over Canon non canon.
Its 60 Episodes and i enjoyed Super17, Baby, Omega Sheron, SSj4, It had SOLID Animation…. It has way more good things than bad.
🤷🏻♂️Sorry that i can be open minded and enjoy stuff that others can’t. I think it was better than DBSuper which only had 1 good Arc with the Tournament of Power.
The Japanese opening to Dragon Ball GT was what got me into Japanese music and kickstarted my unconventional journey of rock music discovery as a teenager. I actually hated it the first time I heard it because it was so sugary, but it grew on me until I could feel the emotion sincerely.
The Baby Saga is actually a good saga (except the ending). Really loved it tied the Saiyans past into a new arc like that. Before & after that, GT is pretty terrible
Baby is such a trash character, any villan that has to steal the power of other characters to be relevant is a badly written character
@Mezzy Mez Naw GT is trash in general. Baby is just the best of the worst. The Dark Dragons could’ve been great but the beginning is so boring until you get to the 4 star Dragon. Super 17 was a snooze of a villain & The Black Star Dragon Ball saga in the beginning made me turn the whole series off until Baby & Dr ‘Mu showed up. Overall GT not recommended but at least baby did something interesting for the most part
@@ROFLKIWI better than any of the other villains in GT. Omega Shenron & Nova Shenron were cool but other than them, everyone else was terrible
Too bad the Baby saga completely shits on Piccolo, Uub and cucks us from seeing Gotenks
@@ROFLKIWI Well when you think about it Cell and Buu stole the powers of other characters too, and they’re very much loved.
Hey! Chris is being moderately critical of content again! love to see it
Hey man! Love your channel, I know it’s stupid to say to watch Dragon Ball Z or related in Latin Spanish but give it a try, specially the music and key moments like Gohan turning SS2
I loved SSJ4: it actually feels like a natural transformation, not just a different colored hair! At this rate, Saiyans basically become Gods by getting dyed at the hair saloon.
What about the original Dragon Ball? You ever planning on talking about that?
Would love to hear your thoughts on the original dragon ball series!
First time seeing your channel but you perfectly described the feeling of having your first kids and those long, lonely, busy nights.
Hi Chris,
I am sure your hands are full with a million things and yet you keep churning out reviews for us, Thank You🙏🏼
Really looking forward to your take on RRR! 😊
Cheers!
Weirdly enough, there's only a small, particular part of GT that I really don't like - And that's the name Super Saiyan 4. It should've been called something entirely different like Super Saiyan Primal or Saiyan Primal, something like that... Purely because we'd gotten so used to Super Saiyan being associated with having gold/glowing hair. Super Saiyan 4 is a completely different league imo
The ruined the whole super saiyan thing in super
The writer of the show admitted in the “gt perfect files” that the naming convention was used out of convenience and nothing else. Ssj4 is still better than super saiyan blue in design and name.
@@A107-v9e Ikr lol Ssj blue god EX turbo super ssj5 post-senzu arcade edition 5... Thats just a tad too much lmfao
@@A107-v9e To be fair, Blue is just the name they use out of convenience. Its actual name though Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is awful.
I agree that one of the bigger letdowns about GT is the quality of the action. It's okay for what it is, but it seems without Toriyama's manga panels to draw from, the team at Toei struggle to craft compelling fight scenes. Having said that, I did like SSJ4 Goku vs. Giant Ape Baby as well as Goku/Vegeta vs. Omega Shenron.
I'd say it's on par with the rest of the series- mind-bogglingly popular in spite of garbage writing and animation. I never understood why such a shitty looking series had such a massive fan base. It's fucking hideous, and sadly doesn't have the writing to make it tolerable.
Toxic
Not really. Toei's fine with choreographing fights. Let's take Goku vs Kid Buu for example. The beginning of the fight when Goku's a SSJ2 is some of my favorite choreography in all of Z but I thought their fight after he turned SSJ3, which was where the fight started in the manga, was boring. Toei just didn't bring their A game with GT.
I've slightly warmed up to GT over the years. I still mostly dislike it, but it doesn't actually make me angry like it used to. There's some great character designs (mustache Vegeta is not one of them...) and SS4 is the coolest transformation of all-time.
Also, I love Final Bout. It is one of the worst Fighters out there, but like you it was my first introduction to DB and I played the HELL out of it. Played it again a few years ago and had a blast despite realizing even more how trash it is.
Here in Portugal the opening credits were a loose version of the original and the lyrics they made for the song was so good, so iconic, so fucking popular here, that to this day, if that song comes up in a club or festival (and believe me, it does!) EVERYONE goes fucking wild. It's legit incredible
Chris be staying putting that work in! Gotta respect it!
Watching Super made me a bit sympathetic to GT over time. As I've grown up, I realized A lot of vehement criticisms attached to GT are things people completely ignore in the rest of the series that are equally guilty of.
Dragon Ball GT is my favorite of the Dragon Ball series. It is incredibly flawed, but the things I love about it really make it stand out for me. I love the character designs and overall vibe of the show. It is unapologetically vibrant and 90s. So many bright reds and yellows. The locations are all so interesting. DBZ had so many bland, boring ass wastelands. Every location in GT has its own vibe.
It has a lot of really great concepts with decent to poor execution. The Shadow Dragons saga is the best example of a brilliant concept that is absolutely wasted, whereas the Baby saga I think is the best example of the show doing the most it can with an idea.
I think the reason people don't like this show is because of how different it is, but that's exactly why I love it. It feels exactly like what it is; if the people who made the movies went off and made their own show. It has all the creativity and uniqueness that Wrath of the Dragon and Fusion Reborn had.
But by far its greatest downfall is its poor use of the Dragon Ball characters, and inability to really tell a story with them. As a continuation of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, it is genuinely awful, but taken as its own thing, it can be very enjoyable.
Like the movies, which for the most part didn't really care about continuity or developing the plot or characters, GT is just content to have fun and do its own thing. And I'm grateful for that. If the show just tried to be like DBZ it would be truly hollow and worthless, because it does not have the same spirit as DBZ. GT is not DBZ. It's GT. And I love it.
I like GT 100× more than DBS, What makes it much better for me is that it doesn't fall for the power scale pitfall, and its also very short, shorter than a single DBZ saga
GT is deeply flawed, but it felt like the end of an era and holds a special place in my heart. It’s not the best DB series, but it still introduced a lot of cool stuff, cool characters and some awesome moments. The ending with Goku leaving with Shenron still makes me so emotional. It’s a show with a lot of issues, but still very important for me.
In Mexico we saw GT right after Z ended that was around 1998/9 I was 8 at the time. I remember most of my friends stop watching because Pokémon was the most popular thing to watch and to have games, toys etc. I watched GT till the end, back then I didn't know that GT wasn't an idea of Toriyama, it was just my innocent mind watching and enjoying something. And yes of course all the points you're making are a flaw, but to this day I watched GT and feel the same magic when I was 8, it's lame I know but if you grew up like almost EVERY Mexican watching Dragon Ball as kids watching Goku growing up with us, and watching that ending that was the first time I remember I felt sad as a kid 😅 like saying goodbye to a dear friend of mine.
GT indeed had the most boring and the most lazy fights but to me it has some beautiful magic I remember as a kid, and I really wish Chris you watched it the same as us, with an innocent mind of a kid.