BEN HOGAN POWER MOVE | Learn It Now!
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So you may have noticed when you are watching a lot of top pros or really good ball strikers out there, as their club starts the downswing, it starts to flatten out.
In this video we are going to talk about why you want to flatten out the club, what kind of plane you want the club on coming down, and how this is going to give you more power.
But before we do that, lets take a look at Ben Hogan doing this motion, so you can see this from one of the greatest players of all time!
I look forward to working with you much more in the future with Top Speed Golf. Good luck with your golf.
Clay Ballard
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I have been listening to how to shallow the club from Clay & a very few select others whom i can trust the same and I JUST HEARD THE WORDS @ 7:20-7:21 !!!!!!!!!
never had an issue of being shallow but i pushed so this would make me go back to my more upright swing 🤦🏾♂️😵
now time to cement that in mentally by watching various tour swings slow mo.
Mr. Clay your the Man for sure.
you speak in layman's terms no doubt 👌🏼
Hogan did not roll the hand or forearms through impact. Golfers don't realize that rolling is not necessary to square up the club. At 8:17 you do a wonderful job of squaring up the club without a roll. The right wrist simply unhinges naturally from waist high, not a roll. Enjoyed your video, slotting the club is a rare ability that I seldom see out on the course.
+Ben Rodriguez Hi Ben, thanks for commenting. Which move in particular are you meaning by rolling, that you don't like. Wrist extension/flexion, pronation/supination, or radial/ulnar deviation. Thanks, I just wanted to clarify. Hope your doing great!
Clay, thanks for the video. I have always and naturally flattened the downswing, and consequently have hit hooks or push to the right. I have come to conclude that I should not flatten the swing, rather should go up and come down the same plane, thus reducing the club face rotation. I have been more accurate but with less distance. So, your video has shown me what not to do.
My pleasure!
Absolutely awesome videos with tips that are helping us improve our golf. I wish I was in Florida for some in person coaching. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦
Great to hear!
Your teaching is second to none bro ,keep going mate from England :)
Hogan also pulled his right foot back by 2in or so, plus turned his left foot out as he points out in his book.
Hi Len, thanks for sharing. Hope you're playing well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard Watching your videos has helped a lot but reading Bens book 5 steps really helped because it shows how to stand for each club, I wish you guys would show that part more often.
Hogans shallowed his downswing by moving his hands out towards the ball from the start of his downswing while also starting to drive his right elbow in front hip, then at impact his hips were really open and his shoulders were open which cause his hands to swing left past impact.
This is a very good video for guys coming over the top!
Thanks Mark!!
Drop and roll, baby, drop and roll !!!
The short answer is there is only two ways for a conventional golfer (2 plane swinger) to get back on the correct plane at impact.
They'll either have to:
* Stand tall to move their body out of the way
Or
* Drop the club onto the correct plane at the end of their backswing.
Thanks for sharing!
It he would've read Ben Hogan's book the 5 Lessons Ben Hogan said that he had imagined a pane of glass sitting on his shoulder. The angle is from the shoulders to the back of the ball. So his arms and hand would be traveling under the pane of glass. The pane of glass would only shift on the shoulder turn which is illustrated. I have always gone with this concept. No matter what club I'm swinging. May it be a driver to a wedge. Ben Hogan says in the his book that if you thrust you arm upward you would break the pane of glass. He shows and illustration of someone short and someone tall. Practice your setup and imagine pane of glass sitting on your shoulders. I would recommend getting Ben Hogan's book The 5 Lessons to the Modern Fundamentals of Golf. Johnny Miller says it's the bible of the golf swing.
Hi Ernie, thanks for sharing. I agree, that is a great book. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Quentin, I don't play anymore but I do like helping people out with there games. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. @@TopSpeedGolf
Imo the "flattening' is due to an overtravel of forearm rotation at the transition. It isn't contrived although it can be. If the arms and club were in a straight line relative to plane it wouldn't happen, but they aren't (in most golf swings). The more the arms and club are out of line in respect of the plane the more pronounced the flattening' will be at the transition. Photos stills don't convey dynamic forces at play. Two different players can look identical at the top yet move in totally different ways from it, depending upon how they reached that position.
Hogan kept his right elbow fastened to his side throughout the upswing and downswing. That’s the key.
Thanks for sharing!
That's the same move Butch Harmon had Fowler do, to shallow the driver and whip it through, now Ricky is driving over 300 now. Even Lydia Ko through David Ledbetter is having her take the driver back steep then lay down the shaft and come in shallow to the ball, on plane.
Hogan took his hands out and around in the backswing, instead of up. He barely had to drop the club at all in the downswing. Almost a stack and tilt approach
Thanks for sharing!
great explanations of instruction on all of his videos thumbs up keep it up
Great lesson !!!!
Ben Hogan always kept his right elbow in contact with his body throughout the swing and needed this whip action to make up for the loss distance
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Clay!
Hogan pointed the club handle toward the ball at the top of the swing! That is how you shallow the club …
Rather than over turn his spine, Ben Hogan used his right scapula to gain ca 15 degrees of apparent shoulder turn in BS. In transition the scapula, drops and the arms drop into, his "SLOT", naturally.
It is no wonder, golfers cant duplicate Ben Hogans swing. Golf instructors dont understand.
In Canada on the wet West coast we are trying to hit off soggy fairways. Any suggestions. Right now there is no bounce off the fairway, the club almost sucks down and the shot ends up way short.
You have to make sure you get ball first contact. If you don't then the club will dig due to the wet conditions. Play well!
Just from watching both
Hogan and you, I get the impression it is the other way around. You both let your club go way past paralel in the upswing and you are tipping it up with your fingers getting it steeper to hack it down with more force keeping your hans close to your body as you would with an AEX when you want to give the would a heavy chop. You are not flattening out but controlling the momentum with your fingers (flattening out at the top of your backswing, steepening up from the moment go in your downswing). Can you see it?
Not really what I see but things are often in the eye of the beholder :-) Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Right after flattening the shaft, what do u focus on in ref to releasing the clubhead square to your target; the slightest failure to square = block to right over those trees? Do u focus on smacking the ball with the right per Ballard, Watson, etc?
+A A That is a great comment. This is a common visual that people get. I don't want my club going any more to the right (right swing plane). I am just flattening it. Image a plane of glass that is flatter, the bottom will still be square. So you shouldn't struggle with any more blocks.
On the other hand. You could take a steep plane, and tilt it to the right, and hit huge blocks. You would be coming much more from the inside, but the plane would still be steep. Hope that makes sense.
Clay
Pretty much every good golfer flattens his swing coming into impact, this is basic knowledge. But you don't have too to be a good golfer, you can just stay on plane from start to finish and this is also being taught by many professional instructors. Then your swing would look a lot like IRON BYRON; go look it up !! But to answer the question, just think about "shaking hands" with the target after impact; this will help you to roll your forearms properly.
Great, great lesson on effectively shallowing the swing at the right moment; illustrating the forearm rotation instead of the dropping down of the hands seems easier for me to put the shaft in the right, shallower position. I've been focusing just on that action and it feels right, allowing the rest of the swing to be in the proper slot. With this technique, I am actually able to swing harder from the hips upward, as I tend to overdo my lower half. Thank you, Clay; great lesson, great teacher.
Truly fantastic videos Clay, I am very appreciative. Have joined your Top Speed subscription site. Incidentally, you seem yo know a huge amount about biomechanics. What was your training?
the shaft plane at address is lower than the plane at impact in almost any pro you watch.
Thanks for sharing!
CLAY, I'VE LOOKED AND LOOKED AND AM LOOKING FOR GOLF SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS ME TO SEE AND MAKE LINES LIKE YOU DID TO FORM YOUR PLANE LINE ON LIVE CAMERA RECORDINGS. I only can find it after I save and go to edit the pic. If people could stand in a camera and see the line they could self teach themselves. Saving a video and making the edit after you swing only promotes repetition of the wrong swing plane that you discover over and over after the fact. V1 Golf is after the fact, who makes one?
Hi Terry. I am not sure anyone makes that type of software. We add these in using video editing software. When I am out on the course, I just know about where the lines will be from a lot of practice. I agree, that would be a great help if someone would make something like that. ~Clay
V1 sports. Windows program, but also phone app
Clay, great video!
In other videos you talk about the plane line being from the hosel to under the elbow, but a lot of swing commentary draw lines through the hands. I ask this, because when I do a swing analysis of myself, I'm slightly above the line (drawn through the hands) say 4 or 5*, but when I draw lines as you do, I'm perfect. I'm an 8 hcp looking for answers to my draws and hooks.
thanks
+Matthew Sword Great question. You have to have the line above the shaft and roughly through the elbow. This is due to the force of the club steepens the shaft in a good golf swing, since the head is outside the shaft. Many people draw the line on the shaft, but that is just a random line that doesn't mean much in the swing. I am not sure why they do that. The line should be from the hosel through the bottom of the elbow at address. Best of luck!! ~Clay
+Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard Good to know, because the crunchy of the spine to get the handle on the shaft plane can be painful. Do you have any videos on draws and hooks? In your opinion did this move exacerbate Hogans draw?
Haha, yeah, it is impossible to get back down to the original shaft plane, and hit a great shot. Too much force.
He tended to get on the extreme, which didn't help with the hook. All good players flatten the shaft a bit on the start down.
Good luck!!
Thanks I will give it a try. I never thought of rotating the right arm approaching the top of the back swing; but if it is good enough for Ben Hogan; it should work fine for me.
+Thomas Fraser Haha, that is a good way to look at it! Play well! ~Clay
In the slot you swing with your elbow
Thanks for sharing!
This move feels the opposite of what my body wants to do (I cup my wrist) but after practicing with hundreds of swings today all I can say is WOW
so that's what it feels like to have the arms and hands "come along for the ride"
This finally helped me cure my OVER the top , and it was because the last thing I want to do instinctually from the top of my backswing is bow my wrist and hold my right hand like I'm holding a pizza but it's the only way I've been able to drop in the slot and then fly through the impact zone
Great video.,,.thx a ton ...also, I had to consciously tuck my right elbow into the top side of my body to really nail this
Thx again , great video
it is physically impossible to rotate your right hand and arm and have your right elbow close to your side. it was his grip secret which applied force to both sides of the shaft with his left hand that enabled him to release the club this way.
Clay, is this strictly a move with the driver or should it be used in all full swings?
+David Breckenridge Great question. It will happen with all swings.
to eliminate the flattening move why not just adapt to the single plane swing, your always on plane? this dual swing plane just leads to more problems AKA over the top
Hi, thanks for the comment. It's harder to get distance with a flatter swing and distance is very important for playing great golf. There is a reason why you see very few flat swings on Tour. It's hard to compete with the long hitters. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
this is why jim furyk has such a great downswing. Great video!
+Danny Kopp Glad you liked it Danny. Good luck with your game!! ~Clay
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard any tips on a flat backswing plane. Thats been my big problem lately
This video should help. Good luck! ruclips.net/video/WddCOVg6tOI/видео.html
The only guys who knew anything about Hogan's swing, was his brother Royal Hogan, and Jack Schlee. Anyone else promoting Hogan's swing, is just guessing.
Hi Patch, thanks for sharing your opinion. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
IT does not matter if you choose a flat swing plane or a more steep swing plane .. What all the great players do is have the grip end of the club pointed at the target line on the down swing and when the hands have reached hip level the butt end of the club is pointed directly at the ball just before the release occurs.. This is fact,, I've done video analysis for thousands of my students. Every week my co workers and myself would record the leading players on the PGA tour and show them to our students. If the camera is in the correct position ,,, in line with the hands at address ,,you will see the great players are on a similar plane on both the back swing and the downswing .. Draw a line from the middle of the shoulders to the ball at address . That swing plane is the key for most great players.. The hands will be under the swing plane line at address but will be dead on line through the release and impact. Freeze frame any great player just before the release and you will see the grip end of the golf club pointed directly at the ball.
Hi Dan, thank you for sharing your insights. You ware exactly right except for one thing. The backswing is not always the same. They are all in the position you mentioned in the downswing but not necessarily in the backswing. JB Holmes for example brings the club back way inside the hands. Jim Furyk brings the club back way outside the hands. It's actually starting to trend now that guys are bringing the club back a little outside the hands. This gets the momentum moving in the right direction to shallow the club in the downswing. I agree, this shallowing is the number one difference between pro and amateur golfers. This is what Clay talks about in The Move section on the website. Here is the link if you want to check it out: topspeedgolf.com/courses/the-move/. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
HI Quentin,, yes I agree , I was speaking primarily about the downswing. Most great players seem to be above the swing plane at the top and having the grip end pointed inside the target line just before the full 90 ' wrist set on the backswing makes it easier to be in a good position at the top. avoids rolling of the wrist so to speak. Thank you for your comment ! regards ,,Dan
Ok. I just got tired of looking and ordered the darn Foresight Simulator and monitor.
hey Clay
When you state "release the club" does this mean turning the club over/ rolling the club over ?
Thank You
When did you start golfing
I was about 12 when I started. How about you?
Im 12 right now and im getting back into this amazing sport!
Does this apply to iron shots as well, or just the driver?
All clubs
+TheFester999 Great question! Yes, it applies to all clubs. Play well! ~Clay
This is incorrect. He did not intentionally flatten his club. It was simply a result of intentionally connecting his left side and hitting the ball with his body not his arms. As a PGA Professional, I see this misinterpretation often. Connection starts at address and continues throughout the swing. Student need to not focus on snap shots of this and try to mimic without first understanding connection and the proper setup that MUST take place first or it all if a waste of time.
So here's the thing. At exactly 9:13 in the video, a crazed raccoon runs in from the right side of the screen.
Haha! You're right. I never noticed that!
@@TopSpeedGolf oFoo0o
Lotta warriors of the keyboard in the comments
Hi, thanks for watching. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
He practiced eight hours a day.
Hi, thanks for sharing. I don't doubt it. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Hopefully people are not consciously flattening the swing. If you are turning your hips properly, you are basically pulling the club with you .. and if you are generating enough power in that move... the club is going to naturally drop.
Hi Jim
Thank you for the comment. You're right! Keep up the good work!
Golf Gaming...lol
Well said. I think planting that left foot to start the downswing and getting your hips turning first will naturally drop the club into that "slot" and contribute to the bowed left wrist. In fact it's difficult to both bow the left wrist AND flatten the swing unless you clear those hips!
Turning the hips absolutely doesn't flatten out the down swing. Release direction is extremely important and will determine the power the hips can transfer to the club head.
That's absolutely correct.
Just make a full swing with the face perpendicular to target at impact. Disregard all other instruction. If not able to do this...bowl.
Thanks for the comment David!
Blocked that first shot...
Haha! 😀 Just a little bit...Play well!
He doesn't "roll the handss" bruh.
Hi Scott, thanks for the comment. Everyone rolls the hands to a certain extent. If you didn't' then it would be really difficult to get much speed. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard He rotates the left forearm (knuckles) toward the ground to square the face but since he was always trying to avoid the hook he falls short of really curling completely under so he can hold off the rotation of the toe over. If you look at his finish his left arm folds and then the club disappears on plane left but he never “rolls his hands”, at least not in the 1960’s. And rolling your hands doesn’t increase speed, especially after the ball is already way gone. #respectfully
Hogan actually doesn't "roll" hands. So that's a false statement. Its a natural release when locking hands to body. Rolling hands when talking about golf is much more extreme.
Thanks for sharing!
@@TopSpeedGolf No problem robot!
Why do instructors talk so much about what is wrong and not to do vs what to do right??
Are you a golf pro or a tennis pro?
Both :-)
Officially the worst demonstration/analysis/explanation of Ben Hogan’s swing I’ve ever seen.
Setup and arm plane are not even close or talked about properly (especially in ds!)
Proprioception of body motion is incredibly poor and inaccurate. Terrible positioning.
Absolutely no details of ‘how’ he actually re-planes the swing. Like everyone does, just describes the effect and not what allows him to swing left.
I could go on forever. Maybe stay away from trying to educate us on Ben Hogan because it’s clearly out of your league!
HI David, thanks for the feedback. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard
He does NOT ‘roll the hands over!’
This is the epitome of a body release because he releases through the shoulders retract at impact and post impact - which links the arms up to the rib cage - thus the exact opposite of rolling the hands over, and simply leads to a passive release and a proper in to in swing path and slightly open face. This results in a push bias ball flight with a beautiful high launching ball.
Again, does NOT swing out and flick with hands - not even close!
HI David, thanks for sharing. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
stop saying "go ahead" !
Sorry :-|
Actually, if you are struggling with a slice, it's because your body is trying to tell you that your golf swing is naturally a fade shot, so don't fight it !!!!!!! just work with your natural tendency and open your stance a little, and swing along the line of your feet, just play a fade-- golf is very rewarding if you just play a fade especially into the greens!!!!!! don't fight it, work with it!!!!1
That's the opposite of what you want to do. That encourages the head to come across the face. A closed stance will help reduce coming across with the face.
When you play a fade the face is SUPPOSED to come across the ball; go research how to hit a fade. Hogan actually lived off the power fade and it's why he hit so many fairways. Hogan played left to right and eliminated the left side of the fw.
This is too confusing, I don’t see this as a power move. The best thing we can learn , as amateurs you don’t want to be thinking about all this. This technique causes over the top hitting because we are not pros. Amateurs if you look at Hogans swing is simple, he aligns his left arm across his chest, not higher. A one plane swing...simple. The power move from Hogan is the left leg, he transfers all his weight on the left leg, and throws his hands as if he is skipping a rock, there is the power.
Thanks for posting. You are right, this is a bit more in depth in regards to technique. It's a really important concept to understand why the club is moving certain ways in the swing. But I get where you are coming from. It's not a "quick tip", so to speak.
I'd be very careful with left arm across the chest and not higher. I've done tons of distance research, and as a rule of thumb, you can play great golf with your arm across your chest. Many have. But it will be a little shorter distance wise. You also need to be flexible. If you have plenty of power like Hogan, that's fine. If you are struggle for distance, I'd recommend the hands go higher.
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard I totally agree, but in my fifties I’m not looking to play the pro tour lol. It’s just I’m happy to hit the ball more consistently and accurately and enjoy the game. Thanks for your reply it is appreciated and stay safe out there.
This is not good advice. You cannot rotate the wrists clockwise and then counterclockwise on the downswing. Most players who follow this advice will block the ball out to the right and will not be able to close the face in time.
Get the book Afternoon's With Mr. Hogan. The book is written by Jody Vasquez. Ben Hogan explains the use of the right hand.
Dj did exactly the opposite
The worst thing beginners can do its copy this swing. I feel his book destroyed many golfers swings.
Hi, thanks for sharing. It is a book geared more to those who hook the ball so if you struggle with a slice then it may not be as helpful. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
You're the only teacher I've ever heard say that Hogan rolls his hands through impact. Dead wrong
Hi Grant, thanks for the comment. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. I'm sure they have their reasoning for believing that they do. To us we see that Mr. Hogan is rolling his hands through quite a bit. The top of the left wrist is pointing out in front of him when the club is about parallel to the ground on the way down and then it is pointing behind him when the club is parallel to the ground in the follow through. That leads me to believe that he is rolling his wrists through impact and this is part of how he squares the face. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Grant, you are correct sir. If, by "rolling," Ballard and Quentin mean he released the club or turned it over, they ARE dead wrong. It is clear that Hogan's main secret (he had many) was supinating his left wrist early in the downswing, squaring his club face. Then he powered through the ball as fast as he could without turning the club over. This way he could hit the ball as hard as he wanted without hooking it, which everyone knows is exactly what he was trying to avoid. It is also why he was so dang accurate. The club face remained square long before and long after impact. I kept looking for Ballard to mention Hogan's clever supinating move early in the downswing but he never did. Quite surprising, really.
Not well organized and planned out, too general. Most important point was quicly stated and nerver mentioned again.. Clib gets steeper through ball.
This is the antithesis of ‘rolling the hands’ - incredibly inaccurate analysis on your part.
Another popsicle pro trying to describe Hogan’s ‘release’ that’s not even close to what’s actually going on!
Shocking!
Hi David, thanks for the feedback. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Ok. I just got tired of looking and ordered the darn Foresight Simulator and monitor.
Nice, it works great indoors, which is a real advantage.