I am convinced that corporations are intentionally making awful decisions like this on purpose, so they can test the waters to see how bad the pushback is and walk back their decisions based off of that. If the pushback isn't severe, they stick with it, and if the pushback is significant they know what the "limit" is.
they do something that is obviously outrageous so then they can push it down a little bit after an expected outrage and push from people. However the adjustment afterwards still ends up on a level that would have been unacceptable in the first place alone. This way however people feel like they won and pushed the corporation back.
duh. that's what the lockdowns and vaccines were. now NOBODY is locked down, nobody wears a mask, and people fear the jab. They learned how to push their agenda on us. Push until we push back. Then sit and wait. And then push again.
It was no mistake on wording. They meant what they said. Anything a company puts out to the public is proofread and scrutinized by many people to ensure all info is correct. Don’t let them pretend they just chose their words poorly.
they even had illustrators create several graphic explanations. That shows that someone had a REALLY clear mind of what was allowed and not. haha If it was only words, I could MAYBE get behind that. but now its just full on damage control.
@@krayways Exactly this. It's one thing if it was just a quick write up sent out but they had whole infographics showing exactly what's being written. This should be a final red alert for anyone wavering on moving from twitch. Big or small content creators all benefit, at this point, from moving platforms IMO.
Yeah. Even so. That doesn’t mean it’s all clear and correct. People writing stuff routinely underestimate how clear things are. In their mind, it was obvious they were talking about third party software. They didn’t think there would be confusion.
@@RomeEmpire123 can you stop trying to force channel success through every cringe bait method possible. Make good content and thumbnails. Stop writing your titles in all-caps and commenting false-replies saying "we get it you watched my video" to bait people to click and be a genuinely good, interesting and/or funny person.
In a fair and just world, people would still leave Twitch after this contrived apology. Because a company that comes up with that ToS update never be trusted with your livelihood and will do it again. But the sad truth is, those content creators whose voice and opinion really matter do not really care. They are not in any real danger and they can be bought/appeased with enough incentives. And even if they choose to leave, there's always a place for them elsewhere.
I really doubt he did. It’s not his job to know. That’s why someone usually gets fired every time a CEO has to explain and walk stuff back. Because someone whose job it actually was to know messed up
Just like the PayPal situation where they could steal 2500 out of your accounts if you spoke something they didn't agree with on social media and other areas. They totally knew it was in there and hoping people wouldn't notice.
Didn't he do that, though? I think moistcr1tikal(penguinz0) mentioned that it was still added in the TOS. They just publicly said it wasn't added. (not sure whether it'll be enforced) Also, other features were added like Simulcasting - you can't simultaneously live stream in multiple services.
*"If you hadn't cried so much about getting roughly rawdogged, we Never would have stopped...but don't worry, we'll be right back at it once you calm down a little."* Twitch 2023
yep, read between the lines. They tried to push it out in the most oppressive way possible, and only after the backlash said "okay fine, we take it back", but then they'll slide it in later at 50% of that, it'll still be so much worse than twitch is now for streamers, just not AS bad so people will accept it. It's like the evil corporate version of "shoot for the moon and land in the stars".. they started with the worst possible change and then get people to settle for one that still sucks but isn't that bad, wake up people, no change is needed or asked for.
The funny thing is that it wasnt too broad, it was explicitly clear. So clear in fact that everyone saw what was happening and called them on their shit. My guess is that this was one of two tactics; Either introduce this to dial back to a less offensive system to make it seem like a positive by comparison. Or, to limit test what people would tolerate, taking their responses to read the room on what they would find acceptable. Could also be both tbh, but yeah expect them to boil the frog and roll these changes out over time regardless of creator backlash.
@@mik3lang3lo True. I wouldn't be surprised if he had no idea about any of this at all. A lot things get done in an organization without management, or executives knowing.
They overshot and now pulling these back they want to look like good guys. But they didn't pull everything. They snuck some changes in the TOS like simulcasting is now only permitted on websites that aren't "twitchlike". So only vertical streams like instagram
They knew it would get a bad reaction but by pulling back on one thing they get to keep the rest i.e. no simulcasting, and requiring use of twitch's branded content tool
its the exact same process as how 4 months before christmas prices suddenly go up so that during the holidays when 'holiday sales' happen its actually just 40% marked down to normal price but people buy it cause they're stupid
He's not saying: "I'm sorry that we came out with this stupid rule". He's saying:"I'm sorry you don't feel the same". I do not believe for a second that he changed his mind. People like him never do
Not so much cut it out, as get streamers to use twitch as a middle man for the deals and get a cut out of them. They just seem to have missed how much people hated the previous paycuts streamers got. Which... obviously they did, those paycuts filled twitch pockets, why notice it hurts someone. Like... the level of whishfull thinking that people would go "oh, okay, we will accept you as a middleman for the sponsorships"... just to make sure it's clear, I'm not disgreeing with you or anything, just adding context (which does not put twitch in a better light)
THE CLEAREST MESSAGE THEY HAVE EVER GIVEN, with images! CEO says "Sorry for being unclear" no your sorry it didn't go down as smoothly as you thought and now your walking it back. I would be worried if I was a streamer and start setting up other channels elsewhere.
He phrased it as though the language could be confusing and he stated that he could understand how everyone could have misinterpreted it. But then he goes on to say they’re fully pulling it back, instead of that they were clarifying the language to alleviate the confusion. So, obviously, there was no misinterpretation.
I doubt this is over and its kinda sad how Asmon just glosses over it as "see its all good now boys." BRO he clearly states multiple times that the twitch community clearly didnt interpret it correctly and yet refuses to clarify what they really mean by the very clear outline they presented. Obviously they're trying to shift the blame again unto us, its our fault they couldn't pull sponsorships because we INTERPTEDED THE GUIDELINES WRONG.
It's not a surprise from a guy who has done the exact same thing for Blizzard for years now, no matter how many orphans they torch or breastmilk they drink. But maybe he will switch when it ACTUALLY happens since his actual paycheck is in line, but wouldn't put it past him to stay still.
"..At least not right now." That ending line is precisely why people need to take Asmon's advice from yesterday and already start to look at optional platforms for when twitch does bite the bullet. Action is coming.
this is basically every corp ever in the entire history of human mankind. they will increase the pressure until people break then they just go back alittle
I think he was testing how much he can do on this platform as he is now new CEO of Twitch, it was definitely planned and he planned that apology as well. I think he was expecting that this rule would piss off everyone around, because Twitch would never do so simple guidlines how their system works, it was too simple to even dummy could undestand it imo. He might think now that he gained trust as last Twitch CEO never did something like this. Anyway Twitch will definitely try something else and people already lost their trust to this platform. Hopefully some new rival will arise.
There have been streaming sites as long as Twitch has been around. Twitch isn’t going to go under. Especially when most use Twitch underpinnings anyways
A normal tactic i've seen more often is just completely apologizing without explaining the reason for it to begin with, great way for companies to avoid trouble without getting follow up questions
The problem is, they pulled back on the thing that affects big streamers the most. But not the one that greatly affects the little guys, simulcasting. A lot of small non-partnered creators co stream twitch and RUclips. Not being able to do that greatly affects them.
@@StoneCorazon maybe I got my words screwed up. I thought Partners had exclusivity deals to only stream on twitch and thought affiliates who still make money, but can stream anywhere. Either way there are definitely people that make money on twitch that simulcast on RUclips and make money there too and have near equal viewership on both, and now they have to cut off half of their viewers. It is most definitely an issue that affects small streamers. So basically it’s bad for a lot of creators not big enough to have a twitch exclusivity deal then.
It's just like Wizards of the Coast. Twitch pushed out something they thought they could get away with. But prepared to walk it back if the community lost their shit.
>we need competition >nobody wants to switch to the new small guy so it stops being small guy It's like people saying nvidia needs competition but nobody wants to buy a Intel GPU because they're not as good as Nvidia yet.
If you want 500 million… You go in and ask them for 1 billion. That 500 million seems a lot more reasonable all of the sudden. Because everybody wants a deal, regardless of what their reasoning tells them. It’s the big ask, and it’s how the economy works
Twitch should require large streamers to pay for the platform while keeping it free for small streamers. This would allow streamers to choose whether they want to use their own agency or Twitch to work with sponsors. Because of the pareto distribution Twitch only needs to bill the top 10% of streamers by hour watched and 90% of the platform can use it for free and run ads if they want.
I dont think either party will want to leave that money on the table. Everyone comes for the big streamers, they have leverage, and if they arent paid enough can always leave. And then Twitch is probably already bloated with server and engineer costs so they will want a return on that. I get what your model is, sort of like the Unreal dev kit, where its content creator-centric. There is precident, I'd like for things to work that way, but Epic had flagship brands, an established name and better timing when they implemented their model, and this is apples to oranges
@@followingtheroe1952 afaik they take a cut of ads, subscriptions and whatever else but it's obviously not enough. Remove all that and just send the streamer a bill for using the platform each month. The biggest streamers would be heros because they would be supporting the rest of the community. If the largest streamers left the platform then new people would take their place.
@@Syrinx11 What? What new people would take their place? If asmongold goes to youtube everyone will switch to youtube to watch him. Your idea makes literally no sense whatsoever.
" What a day dude. What. A fucking. Day. So many apologies man. What is happening right now is craaaaazy. As someone said once " Do not be sorry, be better " , but I guess hearing some apologies is good you know. But hopefully things become better after that. Let's go big dick boys " - AI Asmongold
Not only is there the fact that they're trying to get everyone to feel like 3 steps backwards and 2 steps forward is a good thing, Twitch isn't actually removing half the damn verbiage from the contract updates and lying about it in their press releases. This situation is disgusting, and their upper administration is just pushing the actual heart of Twitch (its streamers and viewers) further and further into the arms of its competitors.
I’ve never seen the twitch CEO before. Now that I see him, it makes absolute sense why borderline nude cam girls get way more leeway than regular streamers.
You're a silly boy if you think this wasnt calculated. They overshot intentionally, knew there was going to be backlash, then canceled most of the changes while still sneaking in some stuff in the ToS like no simulcasting on non-twitch like websites. Now they seem like the "good guys who listen" to gullible fools like you. This is a very common tactic by corporations.
@@1nicesteak109 you call others clown bcuz you cant understand the meaning of caught in the bright daylight? they got caught trying to silently destroy streamers lives. you clown
Even though Twitch fcked up, i do have respect for the CEO of Twitch straight up making a video and telling the world that they messed up and apologized. Atleast some humanity still remains.
You must of been born yesterday, this is nothing but a desperate, last resort kind of situation to save the company. He doesn't give a shit about the creators using twitch, just the money they bring in.
I am so sick of the gaslighting these big companies do and non apologies that it almost makes me physically sick when I hear their ridiculous statements.
"A trial balloon is a strategy used to gauge public reaction to a proposal or idea before it is officially announced or implemented. The company "floats" the idea (like a balloon) to see how the market or public will react, and uses this information to decide whether to go forward with the plan, modify it, or abandon it altogether. The analogy implies that, like a balloon, the proposal is not firmly anchored and can be easily withdrawn if the reaction is negative." Dear Twitch Community, We've always been proud of the vibrant, diverse, and dynamic community we've built together here on Twitch. One of our core principles is to be a listening platform, constantly learning and evolving to serve you better. We understand that our recent announcement about changes to ads, product placement, and partnerships has raised concerns. We hear you. We understand the potential impact these changes could have on your interaction and monetization on our platform, and we recognize the importance of your feedback. I want to assure you that no immediate changes are being made. The proposal we announced was just that, a proposal. We're not here to dictate but to create an environment that is supportive of our streamers and in line with evolving digital advertising standards. We are, above all, committed to a constructive dialogue with our user base. We appreciate the honest feedback we've received over the past few days, and we take your concerns very seriously. Rest assured, any major changes will involve thorough discussions with our creators and viewers beforehand. Our commitment is to make Twitch a platform where everyone can succeed. We deeply value the trust you've placed in us, and we are dedicated to maintaining it. Together, we will continue shaping the future of streaming on Twitch. Thank you for your passion and your feedback. Best, [CEO's Name]
“We noticed you’re upset about what we’re doing. Well, see, that’s not what we’re doing. You’re just confused. And that’s on us. So we’ve decided not to do the thing that you *thought* we were doing. Even tho we were never doing that. Now we’re *extra* not doing it. Actually, we’re not doing anything. We never said anything about doing things. *You* said that. What’s wrong with you? Why are you acting this way? Why are you lying? I thought we were friends. It’s a simple question. How many lights are there? Just tell the truth, and this can all be over. There are *5* lights.”
"At least, not right now". Exactly. they will find a way to slowly inch their way back to the same thing they wanted originally. It was just too much too soon and too many people noticed.
I think they need to take a step back and see who suggested these changes, who approved them, and who ultimately pushed for them to go live. They need to consider that there are people in high positions in the company that are so woefully out of touch that ALL of the top creators threatened to leave when these suggested changes were published. I don't think the people who suggested those changes should be at the company. That mindset is just so misaligned with the community's.
Notice how he never once said anything about twitch expecting this outrage or thinking it could have been a possibility. If a company survives by its creators, wouldnt you want to view the decisions on their side before making a decision? Thats right ladies & gentlemen, they didnt even consider that in the first place. Twitch knew what they were doing. They dropped this to see the reaction, and if the reaction wasnt overblown like it was the rules would still be in place. The only good part about this is the admittance that it was a shit idea. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THEIR INCENTIVE.
It’ll be implemented someday in the future - this was just a soft blow before the real hit, so now the shock has been given - and the acceptance will be easier for the individual once their plan comes back again.
"We're sorry about the bad thing and we promise not to do it anymore" is corporate-speak for "now that we know everyone hates bad thing, we are going to try to do bad thing without anyone noticing".
the sad thing that probably that this didn't even crossed their minds when they came up with the idea. that such a bad business decision this would be, that the whole industry relying on branded content that way.
Corporations have fine tuned the “halfway” method. Rollout a heavy sided, obviously BS change, apologize to the backlash, pull back your proposed change to what you actually wanted and be praised for “listening” to your consumers
Remember that South Park episode where the CEO of BP had a bunch of pre-recorded "im sorry" videos? This is the situation with everything right now... 😬
I am convinced that corporations are intentionally making awful decisions like this on purpose, so they can test the waters to see how bad the pushback is and walk back their decisions based off of that. If the pushback isn't severe, they stick with it, and if the pushback is significant they know what the "limit" is.
Yup, lots of governments around the world do exactly the same too
they do something that is obviously outrageous so then they can push it down a little bit after an expected outrage and push from people. However the adjustment afterwards still ends up on a level that would have been unacceptable in the first place alone. This way however people feel like they won and pushed the corporation back.
Yeah it's like what do you mean with "interpreted", it's literally what the policy said..
@@Dendelin007 FACTS.
duh. that's what the lockdowns and vaccines were. now NOBODY is locked down, nobody wears a mask, and people fear the jab.
They learned how to push their agenda on us. Push until we push back. Then sit and wait. And then push again.
It was no mistake on wording. They meant what they said. Anything a company puts out to the public is proofread and scrutinized by many people to ensure all info is correct. Don’t let them pretend they just chose their words poorly.
they even had illustrators create several graphic explanations. That shows that someone had a REALLY clear mind of what was allowed and not. haha If it was only words, I could MAYBE get behind that. but now its just full on damage control.
@@krayways Exactly this. It's one thing if it was just a quick write up sent out but they had whole infographics showing exactly what's being written. This should be a final red alert for anyone wavering on moving from twitch. Big or small content creators all benefit, at this point, from moving platforms IMO.
Yeah. Even so. That doesn’t mean it’s all clear and correct.
People writing stuff routinely underestimate how clear things are. In their mind, it was obvious they were talking about third party software. They didn’t think there would be confusion.
Maybe Twitch in the beginning would put out a wording mistake but not Twitch as an Amazon subsidiary
they always look worse denying the situation, just admit that you intended that and apologize
It's hard to argue that this was an interpretation issue when this is the clearest Twitch has ever been regarding ToS
They literally made a picture book they were so detailed
@@chadbear8759 we get it you watched moiste video
@@RomeEmpire123 Who are you?
@ShadowNova don't know about you, but I'm going with no one.
@@RomeEmpire123 can you stop trying to force channel success through every cringe bait method possible. Make good content and thumbnails. Stop writing your titles in all-caps and commenting false-replies saying "we get it you watched my video" to bait people to click and be a genuinely good, interesting and/or funny person.
That's unfortunate, I was really hoping this would go through so that everyone would finally get out of that awful platform
same I was praying for the downfall.
I dislike twitch so much because the staff is a bunch of very obvious simps and the favoritism is very obvious as well.
Yup, was just about to type this comment. Twitch is awful.
Let it degrade to the porn site it actually is.
In a fair and just world, people would still leave Twitch after this contrived apology. Because a company that comes up with that ToS update never be trusted with your livelihood and will do it again.
But the sad truth is, those content creators whose voice and opinion really matter do not really care. They are not in any real danger and they can be bought/appeased with enough incentives. And even if they choose to leave, there's always a place for them elsewhere.
He's sorry that he couldn't get it over without people taking notice and pushing back. He knew what he was doing.
I really doubt he did. It’s not his job to know. That’s why someone usually gets fired every time a CEO has to explain and walk stuff back. Because someone whose job it actually was to know messed up
Just like the PayPal situation where they could steal 2500 out of your accounts if you spoke something they didn't agree with on social media and other areas. They totally knew it was in there and hoping people wouldn't notice.
Didn't he do that, though?
I think moistcr1tikal(penguinz0) mentioned that it was still added in the TOS. They just publicly said it wasn't added. (not sure whether it'll be enforced)
Also, other features were added like Simulcasting - you can't simultaneously live stream in multiple services.
@Mr Bubbles You really doubt that? Ohoho...
*"If you hadn't cried so much about getting roughly rawdogged, we Never would have stopped...but don't worry, we'll be right back at it once you calm down a little."*
Twitch 2023
So true.
They'll just do it in smaller increments to test the waters.
"We knew when we wrote it, it was too broad." So they're going to add it back in but reword it. Time to ditch Twitch is now.
Absolutely. If others tell you they're greedy, then believe them.
Ditch Twitch!
yep, read between the lines. They tried to push it out in the most oppressive way possible, and only after the backlash said "okay fine, we take it back", but then they'll slide it in later at 50% of that, it'll still be so much worse than twitch is now for streamers, just not AS bad so people will accept it. It's like the evil corporate version of "shoot for the moon and land in the stars".. they started with the worst possible change and then get people to settle for one that still sucks but isn't that bad, wake up people, no change is needed or asked for.
The funny thing is that it wasnt too broad, it was explicitly clear. So clear in fact that everyone saw what was happening and called them on their shit.
My guess is that this was one of two tactics;
Either introduce this to dial back to a less offensive system to make it seem like a positive by comparison.
Or, to limit test what people would tolerate, taking their responses to read the room on what they would find acceptable.
Could also be both tbh, but yeah expect them to boil the frog and roll these changes out over time regardless of creator backlash.
@@rasmachris94 ye, but that doesn't change how the CEO is making it out to be. In his mind, that's the solution
"I'm Sorry" - every CEO ever
To be fair that is part of the job
@@mik3lang3lo True. I wouldn't be surprised if he had no idea about any of this at all. A lot things get done in an organization without management, or executives knowing.
@@mik3lang3lo to be fair, that wouldn't be part of the job if they didn't make fuckin awful decisions like this one.
He never said he was sorry.
@@Herr.P he completely revoked the policies. do you want him to send you flowers too?
I dont know how they thought this would ever go over well. How did they not expect this reaction???
They are just probing. They'll implement bit by bit now, they didn't just give up on it, be sure of that
They overshot and now pulling these back they want to look like good guys. But they didn't pull everything. They snuck some changes in the TOS like simulcasting is now only permitted on websites that aren't "twitchlike". So only vertical streams like instagram
If you want to enforce 80%, you show 200%
So that enforcing 80% after an apology feels like a win to twitch streamers
They knew it would get a bad reaction but by pulling back on one thing they get to keep the rest i.e. no simulcasting, and requiring use of twitch's branded content tool
its the exact same process as how 4 months before christmas prices suddenly go up so that during the holidays when 'holiday sales' happen its actually just 40% marked down to normal price but people buy it cause they're stupid
He's not saying: "I'm sorry that we came out with this stupid rule". He's saying:"I'm sorry you don't feel the same". I do not believe for a second that he changed his mind. People like him never do
Meanwhile on *Activision* Blizzard . . .
"We audited ourselves and found out we never did anything wrong."
Meanwhile EA:
"It's your fault for buying our games."
We understand that sponsorship is a crucial part of streamers income and we still decided to cut it out.
We just didnt expect you hate this so much.
Not so much cut it out, as get streamers to use twitch as a middle man for the deals and get a cut out of them.
They just seem to have missed how much people hated the previous paycuts streamers got. Which... obviously they did, those paycuts filled twitch pockets, why notice it hurts someone.
Like... the level of whishfull thinking that people would go "oh, okay, we will accept you as a middleman for the sponsorships"...
just to make sure it's clear, I'm not disgreeing with you or anything, just adding context (which does not put twitch in a better light)
They are clearly testing the waters, yeah.
The geriatric pepe in the chat 💀
THE CLEAREST MESSAGE THEY HAVE EVER GIVEN, with images!
CEO says "Sorry for being unclear" no your sorry it didn't go down as smoothly as you thought and now your walking it back.
I would be worried if I was a streamer and start setting up other channels elsewhere.
He phrased it as though the language could be confusing and he stated that he could understand how everyone could have misinterpreted it. But then he goes on to say they’re fully pulling it back, instead of that they were clarifying the language to alleviate the confusion. So, obviously, there was no misinterpretation.
I doubt this is over and its kinda sad how Asmon just glosses over it as "see its all good now boys." BRO he clearly states multiple times that the twitch community clearly didnt interpret it correctly and yet refuses to clarify what they really mean by the very clear outline they presented. Obviously they're trying to shift the blame again unto us, its our fault they couldn't pull sponsorships because we INTERPTEDED THE GUIDELINES WRONG.
It's not a surprise from a guy who has done the exact same thing for Blizzard for years now, no matter how many orphans they torch or breastmilk they drink. But maybe he will switch when it ACTUALLY happens since his actual paycheck is in line, but wouldn't put it past him to stay still.
"..At least not right now." That ending line is precisely why people need to take Asmon's advice from yesterday and already start to look at optional platforms for when twitch does bite the bullet. Action is coming.
this is basically every corp ever in the entire history of human mankind. they will increase the pressure until people break then they just go back alittle
I think he was testing how much he can do on this platform as he is now new CEO of Twitch, it was definitely planned and he planned that apology as well. I think he was expecting that this rule would piss off everyone around, because Twitch would never do so simple guidlines how their system works, it was too simple to even dummy could undestand it imo. He might think now that he gained trust as last Twitch CEO never did something like this. Anyway Twitch will definitely try something else and people already lost their trust to this platform. Hopefully some new rival will arise.
It's Coming.
There have been streaming sites as long as Twitch has been around. Twitch isn’t going to go under. Especially when most use Twitch underpinnings anyways
Knowing full well how people would feel and react, they still tried it anyway.
That’s some gal.
Pretty sure he is a man not a gal, or did you mean gall?
@@cqpzg want a cookie champ?
A normal tactic i've seen more often is just completely apologizing without explaining the reason for it to begin with, great way for companies to avoid trouble without getting follow up questions
The problem is, they pulled back on the thing that affects big streamers the most. But not the one that greatly affects the little guys, simulcasting. A lot of small non-partnered creators co stream twitch and RUclips. Not being able to do that greatly affects them.
Not really. If you’re not partnered, you aren’t monetized. So none of this affects small non partnered streamers.
@@StoneCorazon maybe I got my words screwed up. I thought Partners had exclusivity deals to only stream on twitch and thought affiliates who still make money, but can stream anywhere. Either way there are definitely people that make money on twitch that simulcast on RUclips and make money there too and have near equal viewership on both, and now they have to cut off half of their viewers. It is most definitely an issue that affects small streamers. So basically it’s bad for a lot of creators not big enough to have a twitch exclusivity deal then.
@@StoneCorazon thats not true, the new tos makes it so even non partners/affiliates cannot simulcast, no one is allowed to now
It's just like Wizards of the Coast. Twitch pushed out something they thought they could get away with.
But prepared to walk it back if the community lost their shit.
These things happen if you have no serious competition. There need to be another equally streaming platform.
Until big creators like Asmongold and the rest of OTK take the plunge, nothing will change.
>we need competition
>nobody wants to switch to the new small guy so it stops being small guy
It's like people saying nvidia needs competition but nobody wants to buy a Intel GPU because they're not as good as Nvidia yet.
@@syzzle342 Well Shroud's little venture to Mixer certainly didn't inspire anyone.
Wow the CEO of twitch looks like a combination of every streamer ever on the platform.
THAT GUY is the CEO?? No wonder there’s so many hot tub steams. Dude looks like the Larry Flint of “game” streaming
The only one on Twitch who makes you think he's more homeless than Asmon is Dan Clancy.
Thats why we love him
@@MainProblem Its only love, nothing else.
Its cool how everybody's trust just magically came back.
If you want 500 million… You go in and ask them for 1 billion. That 500 million seems a lot more reasonable all of the sudden. Because everybody wants a deal, regardless of what their reasoning tells them. It’s the big ask, and it’s how the economy works
thanks for showing this aswell and not just the drama
Twitch should require large streamers to pay for the platform while keeping it free for small streamers. This would allow streamers to choose whether they want to use their own agency or Twitch to work with sponsors.
Because of the pareto distribution Twitch only needs to bill the top 10% of streamers by hour watched and 90% of the platform can use it for free and run ads if they want.
I dont think either party will want to leave that money on the table. Everyone comes for the big streamers, they have leverage, and if they arent paid enough can always leave. And then Twitch is probably already bloated with server and engineer costs so they will want a return on that.
I get what your model is, sort of like the Unreal dev kit, where its content creator-centric. There is precident, I'd like for things to work that way, but Epic had flagship brands, an established name and better timing when they implemented their model, and this is apples to oranges
They do. Twitch takes their share of large streamers' revenue.
@@followingtheroe1952 afaik they take a cut of ads, subscriptions and whatever else but it's obviously not enough. Remove all that and just send the streamer a bill for using the platform each month.
The biggest streamers would be heros because they would be supporting the rest of the community.
If the largest streamers left the platform then new people would take their place.
@@Syrinx11 What? What new people would take their place? If asmongold goes to youtube everyone will switch to youtube to watch him. Your idea makes literally no sense whatsoever.
"We weren't thinking,"
'Nuff said!
wait so charlie wasn't exaggerating, this dude literally looks 94 years old lmao
Strange isn't it? Considering he's barely 87!
@@Martin-jm8wi why is an 87 yo in charge of twitch? He is so disconnected
@@TimothyGod Sorry, it was a joke. I've no idea how old he is...
@@Martin-jm8wi legit believed you 😭 how could you do me this dirty
I'm not sure, a lot of words to not say they won't try something like that again...
" What a day dude. What. A fucking. Day. So many apologies man. What is happening right now is craaaaazy. As someone said once " Do not be sorry, be better " , but I guess hearing some apologies is good you know. But hopefully things become better after that. Let's go big dick boys "
- AI Asmongold
"Our intent and when we wrote it, we weren't thinking..." That should be the entire video summed up.
Not only is there the fact that they're trying to get everyone to feel like 3 steps backwards and 2 steps forward is a good thing, Twitch isn't actually removing half the damn verbiage from the contract updates and lying about it in their press releases. This situation is disgusting, and their upper administration is just pushing the actual heart of Twitch (its streamers and viewers) further and further into the arms of its competitors.
They showed their intentions. They turned up the heat a little too fast, they're just gonna do it slower later.
yea, doesn’t mean they can’t revisit the branding issue later, but for now they know how far they can go.
Yet while this was happening, they snuck in where everyone can no longer stream at the same time along with Twitch. Not just partners
I’ve never seen the twitch CEO before. Now that I see him, it makes absolute sense why borderline nude cam girls get way more leeway than regular streamers.
Zeus retired and becoming Twitch CEO is something I never knew I wanted.
hahahaha
He got bored from boning everything 😂
he looks like he could be asmongolds dad
Richard Branson
Crack addicted Zeus
Whistler not slick. You may fool Blade but not us!
He better do.
a little footnote on that: ludwig and charlie pointed out that they kept the "new" policy but now hidden in only textform.
I think its great he apologized and addressed it personally instead just tweeting about it once, like they are used to doing in the past
Maybe this is an Ai lol
all i heard for him was that he is going to push it anyway but by tiny drops till it gets to the original point. nickel and dime as always
Twitch was insanely close to completely destroying itself. I can't imagine how little everyone at Twitch slept that night. I hope it was chaos at HQ.
it wasn't. this was always the plan
You're a silly boy if you think this wasnt calculated. They overshot intentionally, knew there was going to be backlash, then canceled most of the changes while still sneaking in some stuff in the ToS like no simulcasting on non-twitch like websites. Now they seem like the "good guys who listen" to gullible fools like you. This is a very common tactic by corporations.
Twitch thinks that streamers belong to them. They see them as property. Not their own business owners
They are not sorry for their actions, they are sorry they got caught.
How to get caught when it's not a secret. Like updating and showing their full intentions on their website.
Caught? Hahah they posted it, you clown
@@1nicesteak109 companies post stuff all the time. In fact they're legally obligated to. Not sure what you're trying to get at here.
@@Wolta obviously what he means by this is that twitch knew exactly what they were doing and thought they wouldn't get this much of a backlash
@@1nicesteak109 you call others clown bcuz you cant understand the meaning of caught in the bright daylight? they got caught trying to silently destroy streamers lives. you clown
Can you imagine the number of people this had to go through and then for someone to say
"Yeah, fuck it. Publish that. Sounds like a great idea."
Even though Twitch fcked up, i do have respect for the CEO of Twitch straight up making a video and telling the world that they messed up and apologized. Atleast some humanity still remains.
this guys did more in a month then the last CEO the entire time he was ther
You must of been born yesterday, this is nothing but a desperate, last resort kind of situation to save the company. He doesn't give a shit about the creators using twitch, just the money they bring in.
@@nooux1966 he spend a lot of time with streamer for someone who doesnt care
@@jakpote88 The cons of staying rich.
WE THE PEOPLE.... DO... HAVE POWER, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT!
Common Twitch L, we are sorry you didnt like our cash grab from your wallet
Its always nice when community outrage actually makes a company backpedal on decisions
I am so sick of the gaslighting these big companies do and non apologies that it almost makes me physically sick when I hear their ridiculous statements.
Not sure what's worse, the gaslighting from these companies or the complete shills that back twitch and respond with whataboutisms.
"A trial balloon is a strategy used to gauge public reaction to a proposal or idea before it is officially announced or implemented. The company "floats" the idea (like a balloon) to see how the market or public will react, and uses this information to decide whether to go forward with the plan, modify it, or abandon it altogether. The analogy implies that, like a balloon, the proposal is not firmly anchored and can be easily withdrawn if the reaction is negative."
Dear Twitch Community,
We've always been proud of the vibrant, diverse, and dynamic community we've built together here on Twitch. One of our core principles is to be a listening platform, constantly learning and evolving to serve you better.
We understand that our recent announcement about changes to ads, product placement, and partnerships has raised concerns. We hear you. We understand the potential impact these changes could have on your interaction and monetization on our platform, and we recognize the importance of your feedback.
I want to assure you that no immediate changes are being made. The proposal we announced was just that, a proposal. We're not here to dictate but to create an environment that is supportive of our streamers and in line with evolving digital advertising standards.
We are, above all, committed to a constructive dialogue with our user base. We appreciate the honest feedback we've received over the past few days, and we take your concerns very seriously. Rest assured, any major changes will involve thorough discussions with our creators and viewers beforehand.
Our commitment is to make Twitch a platform where everyone can succeed. We deeply value the trust you've placed in us, and we are dedicated to maintaining it. Together, we will continue shaping the future of streaming on Twitch.
Thank you for your passion and your feedback.
Best,
[CEO's Name]
I like cheese
2023 is the year of the apology letter
Today's Fact: The first video game to include a jump button was 'Space Panic' in 1980.
“We wanted more money and we are sorry you found out what we intended to do. Next time we will make sure it’s more hidden or harder to understand !”
They'll heat the water slower and slower, until the frog doesn't jump out anymore.
“We noticed you’re upset about what we’re doing. Well, see, that’s not what we’re doing. You’re just confused. And that’s on us. So we’ve decided not to do the thing that you *thought* we were doing. Even tho we were never doing that. Now we’re *extra* not doing it. Actually, we’re not doing anything. We never said anything about doing things. *You* said that. What’s wrong with you? Why are you acting this way? Why are you lying? I thought we were friends. It’s a simple question. How many lights are there? Just tell the truth, and this can all be over. There are *5* lights.”
"At least, not right now". Exactly. they will find a way to slowly inch their way back to the same thing they wanted originally. It was just too much too soon and too many people noticed.
The fact they released it anyways shows this guy and his team have no idea what they are doing.
there is a very good South Park meme insert here
"We weren't thinking" That explains it all.
I think they need to take a step back and see who suggested these changes, who approved them, and who ultimately pushed for them to go live. They need to consider that there are people in high positions in the company that are so woefully out of touch that ALL of the top creators threatened to leave when these suggested changes were published. I don't think the people who suggested those changes should be at the company. That mindset is just so misaligned with the community's.
They still kept the updates to the simulcasting policy
Notice how he never once said anything about twitch expecting this outrage or thinking it could have been a possibility. If a company survives by its creators, wouldnt you want to view the decisions on their side before making a decision? Thats right ladies & gentlemen, they didnt even consider that in the first place. Twitch knew what they were doing. They dropped this to see the reaction, and if the reaction wasnt overblown like it was the rules would still be in place. The only good part about this is the admittance that it was a shit idea. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THEIR INCENTIVE.
"Im sorry it was a poor way to implement this" amongst 1000 UMs
they are just sorry they got caught if no one spoke out or threatened to leave you bet they would of implemented that policy
I'm sorry you caught me with my hand in the cookie jar.
insert southpark "i'm deeply sorry-meme" here
The apology DLC lives on
at least they listened and pushed it back. gotta give the props when they are deserved
Really hard to hate a man doing this when they look like an old chill hippie dude instead of a plain suit.
Thanks to you big streamers actually talking about Boycott and moving got these greedy corporate rats to back down. Thanks Zack.
He's saying he FULLY understands. Something my supervisor says daily and then comes back to me asking the same questions because he doesn't understand
How can you be sorry about this then sneak the simulcast thing in the next day 😂
It’ll be implemented someday in the future - this was just a soft blow before the real hit, so now the shock has been given - and the acceptance will be easier for the individual once their plan comes back again.
This battle aint over, Twitch will be back with this shit soon
They only pull back to push it later. You will comply. You will obey.
"At least not right now." That's key
"We're sorry about the bad thing and we promise not to do it anymore" is corporate-speak for "now that we know everyone hates bad thing, we are going to try to do bad thing without anyone noticing".
he looks like the guy in midsommar that jumps
"At least not right now" DITCH TWITCH!
They're simply taking 2 steps forward and one step back and hoping you don't realize that they're still 1 step ahead of you.
the sad thing that probably that this didn't even crossed their minds when they came up with the idea. that such a bad business decision this would be, that the whole industry relying on branded content that way.
He really is old, i thought people were joking about him being old,bdidnt know he was as old as gandalf
Popular streamers leaving would drive advertisers to move away too. The money follows wherever the eyeballs say
Unless that bologna gets removed from TOS I wouldn't trust that apology for one second.
There's lot of pushback..
We will try in a month 😂
Too much publicity
They only say sorry because their money-maker threatens to leave.
take a shot for every time this dude says *um*
Corporations have fine tuned the “halfway” method. Rollout a heavy sided, obviously BS change, apologize to the backlash, pull back your proposed change to what you actually wanted and be praised for “listening” to your consumers
pimp my ride, more like pimp my kitchen HOLY
"we are sorry , we just testing thresholds"
To give credit where its due you dont see many ceo actually coming and apologizing regardless if they mean it or not
Same as corrupt government officials trying to push their luck, like raising the retirement age and getting pushback.
Remember that South Park episode where the CEO of BP had a bunch of pre-recorded "im sorry" videos?
This is the situation with everything right now... 😬