"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2023
- Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) welcomes comedian Dave Smith, and senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, Will Chamberlain, to discuss their opposing views on the war in Israel, why an internationally accepted solution to this war is very difficult, and how this conflict has the potential to drastically change the public opinion of Israel and Palestine.
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Dave and Will took questions from supporters exclusively at malice.locals.com/post/5021941/will-and-dave-answered-your-questions
i love u
Is it possible to get David D Friedman on the show to talk about anarcho capitalism?
Getting a COVID shot ad in the middle of this conversation was my favorite moment of this episode!
Lol
Gaaaaaaay
You are welcome
I actually got my 9th booster while listening to this conversation
Michael's "repeal the 19th" joke was perfectly timed.
behind every joke there's a small amount of truth to it altho in this case there's a lot. pre suffrage the economy was in top shape. the so called gilded age had less inflation than today's liberal era.
47:50
Joke?
But FR, repeal it lol
I was startled how Dave seemed to totally miss what he was saying.
Pretty sure that's why MM cut it right after that. Made sure his obliviousness hit home, hah.
It was a relief to see this topic discussed intelligently by gentlemen with opposing views without all the rancor and gotchas. It was a beautiful thing; particularly when Will was talking (who was expressing my position better than I ever could) though I've been a regular listener, and mostly a supporter, of Dave's stuff over the years. Thank you.
Still waiting on a Dave Smith Bari Weiss debate. Or Douglas Murray
You think Dave would be the one to say no to that debate? It's funny how the biggest defenders of anything Isreal does don't want to debate anyone older than college kids.
Yes!! I would love to see him and Douglas Murray talk about this!!! I love Douglas Murray. I’ve read most of his books and I think he’s great on most things. I’ve been really disappointed in his take on Israel. I’d love to see what he has to say to some of the points Dave would make
Dave wouldn’t do it
It would be great to see Murray shut up and go back to the culture war where he's useful.
@@benvo9945, yes he would.
Idk how this pod doesn't get more views... one of the best imo...
Cause it's too short
@@mr8ty8 like your penis
They go outside the window of acceptable mainstream opinion so the algorithm detunes it
Correct.
You have to have an above average iq to understand the conversion. Most people don’t
Reallly enjoyed this! Glad to hear Will back on podcasts. Seeing more of these cross viewpoint episodes would be great! Especially when both parties are willing to discuss and not just shout at each other or call each other names
I miss those days
Micheal trying to save Will from the fact that Isreal is an apartheid state (which he admitted to) was actually disappointing. Not the moment for a joke, Will walked his entire argument off a cliff the 3rd party in the conversation shouldn’t rescue one of the two principal parties
Agreed. He should’ve let him answer and show his true hand.
Would you rather live under Israeli rule or some Islamic rule?
@@brent3086wether you’d rather live under Israeli rule or another country’s rule doesn’t change the fact that it’s apartheid by definition. For example. South Africa was apartheid. Would you rather live in apartheid South Africa or in rawanda…. Most would rather live in South Africa. It was still apartheid…..
Will said it all when he admitted that Israel is 1 state and there is a group of people within the state that should not have any rights..... Yup that does not sound crazy to me... Wtf lol
He also conceded that Gaza is ruled by terrorists (Hamas) that don’t care about Palestinians, and that’s why civilians in Gaza can’t be given sovereignty, while simultaneously claiming that these powerless Palestinians need to “make peace.” And by “make peace,” he means surrender to Israeli demands. He also loves speaking in collectivist terms by conflating Palestinian civilians and Hamas
And by that logic the US civilian population can be targeted because clearly we are governed by the largest terrorist organization in the world
AMDG
He has openly claimed he's a "nationalist." What do you expect? I hope it's not methodological individualism
Are you saying Israel have controlled Gaza for the past 20 years? And that Hamas are just an imagination? And that all the rockets fired from Gaza are a psyop? And that the jews are actually aliens in disguise?
I suppose you’re unaware that that’s what a country is. A country is a state with anywhere from everyone to a few people not having any rights. Some countries are authoritarian and no one has rights and some countries are free and only some people don’t have any rights. But there isn’t a place on earth and where everyone has human rights.
As Michael aptly said, "A very 'special' episode."
Never heard of Will Chamberlain before and now I know why.
Will has been on Timcast a number of times. while they disagree with on this, all three of these guys agree on quite a lot. you not hearing about him just means you're in an echo chamber with a very narrow Overton window.
@@625098evan Yeah I'm definitely not watching Tim Pool LOL
@@625098evan Timcast- lol
@@625098evancalma calma
More debates like this please.
Both great stand up gentlemen 👏👏
They need to mend fences over a good old fashion pork BBQ.
Pork! rofl
@@yashaashayeri7055 BACON fixes everything.
No one can stay mad when they are full of peace bacon.
@@NerdlySquared Muslims and Jews don't eat bacon, my man. But I agree with you.
=woosh
This guy comparing gang members in El Salbador to Palestinians... 🤡🤡🤡🙈
Well, they're Brown I guess same thing? haha
They're also extremely violent and are responsible for the stagnation of their society.
Hahaha!!! Oh geeze! Some people are beyong help 😂😂😂
@@hugohernandez4259 If this is for me I would love to be corrected (:
Awesome discussion here! Thank you Michael Malice for hosting this talk 🙏🏿👍🏿 🏴
Michael's opening monologue was fire.
It is amazing how uncomfortable Will gets when he hears someone talk about Bibi's support of Hamas.
LeeGee I watched him say it in a public interview the other day.. it’s archived. Cope harder.
@@LeeGee even worse is a lack of curiosity that makes you think you are correct
@@LeeGee No one agrees with you but religious freaks. If only you can stop being religious and cultlike and maybe we can end HAMAS and Israels bullshit together. But instead, we let foreign countries who hate us to dictate our politics and money flow. HAMAS hates America, Israel sold US weapon Schematics and Nuclear secrets to China and bombed USS liberty on purpose for some Unkown reason that was covered up. So many dual citizens on Congress, they use Jews as a shield likes democrats use black Americans. Disgusting. Wake up Both sides are making billions and killing thousands.
Show the evidence. Time stamp. Title of article or video. Allow someone to investigate the facts.
@@Xplora213 why should i function as your browser if you are so curious
Incredible! This should be the standard for all debates! Well done everyone!
Lovely to see Will wrap the one state argument around his own neck , Dave smoked him no sweat
Equating legitimate security restrictions on a violent population to apartheid is pretty cynical.
@@flyawaydeath Agreed. Isreal and Palestine aren't two separate states but one. They've been working towards a two state solution for almost 100 years now. That mission, along with recognizing Palestine's sovereignty, died on Oct 7th.
Imagine if 40,000 individuals in Texas waged war on the US government and started firing rockets at DC. They went over to New Mexico to rape and pillage 1,200 people. Wouldn't you want the US government to step in? Or would you call that treatment too harsh and consider us an apartheid state for treating Texans differently?
@@killa-ma-jig7281the difference here, which is so clear i fail to see how you could even posit this as a serious question, is that texans have their sovereignty. They can freely travel, their food isnt calculated by doing a head count and then barely shipping in enough food so they dont starve, but suffer from barely not starving on a constant basis. The difference is that the US government once every 14 years doesnt go into texas and blow them to smitherines, research operation leading edge from december 26th 2007 to january 17th 2008 for more on that point. The difference is the united states leaves texas largely alone and doesnt surveil them on the level israel surveils gaza. The difference here, ever so clearly is, we know exactly whats going on in gaza. You, again, ever so clearly do not. Id suggest doing some unbiased research before keyboard warrioring over what is evidently an ethnic cleansing.
@@theegodkingmammz1595 - Seriously ? Texas isn't raping and murdering people . Texas is not firing rockets at Washington D.C. or any U.S. states ... Where is the logic ?
"problematizes the blowback thesis"
Wow, somebody went to American University
I really admire the way Malice approach a subject he admits he's not familiar with. I understand how some people might see this as week, but he let both sides speak clearly and it's up to you to research and decide who's right.
NBA legend Will Chamberlain
"That's how clever they are,they dyed me this color!"
- Ossie Davis -
'Bubba Hotep'
53:38 “in countries without a first amendment”
The only reason he cares about the first amendment is because it is a law and would be more than happy to violate it if he could get away with it
Theres so much that this one little line says about this person
I am assuming Will said that...but I am pretty sure he adheres to the law and there is unprotected speech....
@@Marin3r101 you can click the timestamp I added to see him say it
But that is the point he will adhere to laws and not to principle
And that it is not even about the speech in particular it is about where the speech happened
He said you couldn’t ban in it the US because of the first amendment meaning that he is in favor of banning protected speech
@@snakedick4753 I noticed that too. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's simply being that "well tEcHnIcAlLy" guy due to his lawyer background; but people like him, who so blithely dismiss what you and I would consider to be a rather fundamental human right, make my skin crawl.
If we (Americans) truly believe in the principles of our constitution, we would afford them to the peoples of other countries, regardless of whether those countries' governments do.
@@Marin3r101 Other than direct actionable threats there isn't. Unless you're talking about Civilly unprotected then yeah there's lots. But only direct actionable threats or criminal conspiracy(engaging in or ordering crimes and then its not the words but the crimes that get you charged) can get you criminally charged.
@@snakedick4753 - No it does not .
The Delta operators on the ground in Toro Boro say they had UBL trapped and could've ended the GWOT before it even started, but the MIC couldn't lose all that revenue and helped/allowed him to escape.
Remember that talk of an underground command and control centre obl supposedly had in a hollowed out Mountain in Afghanistan? Had to think of that with the underground castle shit.
Thumbs up simply for the fact that Will used Loomer as a verb
The word "we" was horribly abused in this conversation.
OH!? What do you mean we people?!
Who's they tho
@@entmeister I think I suddenly hear Kanye's footsteps leaving Tim Pool's studio in the distance again.
Apartheid Chamberlain is loyal to the supremacist zionist project, he used the term correctly
"I am done with the monster of 'We,' the word of serfdom, of plunder, of misery, falsehood and shame."
-- Ayn Rand, _Anthem_
I don't think you can cry about "terrorism" and "barbarism" from Hamas and then say that might makes right in the same breath.
He's responding to a person crying about violence from Israel, it needs to be noted that it's in response to much worse violence.
@ReallyAwesomeBoy Which is a response to Israeli violence and oppression, and if you go back far enough it starts with violent land theft.
You don't get to pick an arbitrary point in the timeline and say nothing before matters.
if might makes right then what happens when the right wing in the west finally realizes women's rights is the issue plaguing society as a whole from wages being depressed and laws enabling the police/surveillance state? because i'm ready for that pre-women's suffrage politics. in terms of the racism that will be minimal in comparison to every other issue.
The 1947 war was started by the Arabs. This is an easily verifiable fact.@@Galgus2000
@@Galgus2000Is/ought though. You shouldn't be able to, but clearly, they are. Here in America, the only thing they really care about is getting enough public opinion on the Israeli side so the money keeps flowing. Life and rights is only rhetoric. And I question now if it was always so.
Now do Scott Horton vs Laura Loomer
The problem with the gangs comparison, is that Gazans don’t see Hamas as the people killing them. They blame Israel, so it doesn’t at all compare to El Salvador.
Because it is Israel. Israel's bombing them. Israel cut off their food, water, electricity, and they kept to a minimum prior to that. Everyone except some Israelis and some uneducated Americans know that it's Israel killing them and not Hamas.
Bottom line is, Will doesn’t think the Palestinians should be treated as humans.
It seems the answer is most of the pro zionists, and pro isrealists. Weasel word and mental gymnastics all you want, they are ultimately arguing Palestinians are a subclass, undeserving of autonomy.
Yeah he's definitely right about that.
i'd like to extend that to women as well. so lets not stop at Palestinians.@@gat2asp919
@gat2asp919 So, you think 20,000 dead, most being civilians (women and children), is acceptable?
@@gat2asp919and whats your argument to support that?
This was a great conversation, and Will was frankly the best I've heard from that side of the debate. I'm not sure he persuaded me, but he delivered his position with reason and civility, which you don't get regularly on either side (IMO, particularly his, but I'm open.)
Dave brings up how Israel has been propping up Hamas for years to thwart any possibility of a two state solution and then when it’s wills turn, will says… I wish I had written down what Dave said because now I don’t remember. How very convenient for you will. To not have to acknowledge that fact since you don’t remember 🙄
Well I didn’t know that and that’s crazy if that’s true. But are you sure it’s not true in the sense of, Israel is giving aid to the Palestinians and Hamas just steals it for themselves?
That’s a pretty nasty accusation to throw around without sauce.
Most hard line Zionist's avoid questions that they can't defend, I've noticed.
@@Gimil38 to resist the PLO? I think you underestimate how difficult it is to manage these enemies.
@@Gimil38 Bibi seems to brag about his role in Hamas funding every chance he gets.
A lot of innocent people died during the denazification effort. Tens of thousands of German women were violated by certain members of the allies and it was ruled as an occupied territory.
Add to that the tens of thousands of surrendered German soldiers.
Hamas and the nazis are so different it's almost not comparable. And don't get me wrong that doesn't mean Hamas is good. But like a global superpower VS a group of like 20k angry Palestinians . Really not the same
A lot of innocent people died on October 7th, a lot of innocent people could die if the Palestinian population isn't convinced in the disutility of armed resistance. Is there anything that can be done without innocents being hurt?
Dang--am I really the only woman that watches this show? Duly noted.
Great discussion.
damn will did bad
1:50 Why is this a "sensitive" issue? Is it because the group that can't be named will destroy your life for wrong think?
Odd how Israel could have used other pretexts to bomb Gaza, I wonder if the leader of Israel was facing corruption charges and facing prison at the time of those, I mean you only get so many opportunities you can't throw them away you might need the distraction later.
The grin after saying that is disgusting 1:01:58
Who would want to stay in an area where absolutely nobody wants them to be? That's the biggest scumbag thing Go somewhere nobody wants you and then stay because no one there has the capacity to make you leave
Are you welcoming them into your home?
@@benvo9945 The last people that welcome them into their homes lost their homes and all rights for that matter lmao so no. On that note, we need to stop all immigration to the United States until we sort our own affairs out. We certainly shouldn't be sending any money to any other countries for any reason and especially not to wage war.
If you're referring to the European Jews arriving in the 1940s, then, yes.
@@williamclayton9566 so noble of you
such a great ball player. looks a little shorter on a podcast cam though.
He should stick to basketball.
But all those bitches... legend.
Bold to invoke and compare 9/11 and 10/7 given what is now socially acceptable to question about 9/11, the wargames that disabled NORAD, the PDB warning, the testimony of norman minetta RE Cheney's apparent stand down orders, and the surplus of evidence of explosives used in new york. along with how both events were used cynically by both governments to justify otherwise unpopular conflicts.
Get back on your meds please.
It’s actually surprisingly easy to prove that OBL was used by western intelligence. Operation Cyclone aimed to suck the Soviets into a resource-draining proxy war in Afghanistan with the Mujahideen (the US wanted to give Soviet their equivalent of Vietnam). The CIA literally dug out the Tora Bora Cave System that OBL and his fighters were allegedly hiding in when US forces invaded following 9/11.
In 1978, George W. Bush founded Arbusto Energy, a Texas oil company. An early investment came from James Bath, coincidentally a representative for Saudi businessman Salem bin Laden, the oldest son of Mohammed bin Laden and the older brother of Osama Bin Laden. What’s more shocking is the fact that several bin Laden family members invested millions in the Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The Carlyle Group’s senior advisor was none other than George W. Bush’s father, the former President and Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) George H.W. Bush. (Fun fact: CIA headquarters in Virginia is literally named the “George Bush Center for Intelligence.”)
Even more shocking than that is the fact that on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group - including George H.W. Bush, and his former secretary of state, James Baker - were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, DC along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden’s brothers. But, believe it or not, it gets better. While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. This ensured that they would never be interrogated. They still haven’t been to this day.
After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle. Journalist/writer Craig Unger reportedly traced $1.4 billion in investments by the Saudis to friends and business organizations closely associated with the Bush family.
The radicalization and precarious economic circumstances in the Middle East are no accident. The UK, US and Israel have intentionally encouraged what politicians like Henry Kissinger call a “state of tension” in the ME through the orchestration of one coup after another (look at how developed Iran was before the 1953 CIA-backed coup), the endless funding and arming of Islamic extremists and even the funding of fundamentalist mosques and reading material (propaganda) to ramp up radicalization. More recently, the CIA tried to carry out a peaceful coup (color revolution) in Turkey through Muhammed Fethullah Gülen, who now resides in Pennsylvania. This type of meddling has been going on for a very long time, especially in that region. Modern Islamic terrorism is basically a western creation: www.corbettreport.com/alqaeda/
If only it was some unfounded delusion and not things you can easily look up and verify, hey? That would be easier, but life is hard.@@miramichi30
@@miramichi30The poster made valid points. Why not say what you disagree with instead of implying the person is crazy. I think it's pretty crazy to believe otherwise.
Was that Malice in his underwear for that commercial? Funniest part of this debate.
Will repeatedly compares Gaza in the current conflict to Nzi Germany. This brings up an important question - Stupid or liar?
Just, thank God we've got everything figured out and all of our problems here in the US solved.
Fr
Well.. they are all Js
That’s the most irritating about these type people. They focus on shit 5000 miles away that we can’t fix and won’t ever stop and ignore our own issues at home that we can actually influence
To me it’s all a deflection tactic to get folks to take an eye off the mess at home
@@darbyohara Dave’s argument is that the US should stop funding foreign countries. If that funding stopped then he wouldn’t focus on what happens in Israel/Palestine
Dave's point about The USA being in a position to lecture the Muslim world had they not gone on a 20-year killing spree is the same point I made to friends about if Will Smith would have shown restraint at the Oscars, no matter how much stink eye he was getting from his wife, he could have gone up there and given the most gracious and professional acceptance speeches of his entire life, showering his wife with praise.... one of the greatest Oscar moments in history! Instead he chose violence.
love that intelligent people can have an unemotional conversation on this topic. The 1 fact not acknowledged in this discussion is that this didn't begin in 1947. it just became unsolvable.
Michael Malice is so awesome. Absolutely love this podcast.
You have the most annoying commercial breaks.
Happy Holidays guys!
The Kurds are stateless people, yiu can argue they are occupied. There is a very interesting character in a Turkish prison that has some interesting takes on this. He has written 5 books 3 have been translated to English. I wish I could remember his name.
Regardless of whether Will is on Timcast IRL, Malice or any other show...he's all mainstream talking points that were embedded in him in high school history. God forbid the guy digs a little deeper into topics.
For sure
Dave literally used the New York Times and "human rights" international organizations as his sources 🤡
Please enlighten us. Dave said at the beginning that it was an opportunity for Israel to essentially be the bigger person. By doing what exactly, nothing?
Weird that the ven diagram of zionist talking points and mainstream history talking points are a complete circle.
@@benvo9945he said by targeting individuals terrorists and attacking the threat with a care for innocent human life.
More of this👏🏼👏🏼
Not sure if this would be possible for MM to do; but he should have Douglas Murray discuss this with Dave instead. It’d be a much better match up for both sides
Douglas Murray has lost his mind over this. He hasn't made an unemotional argument in two months
“How dare you, sir!” No thanks. Will just be more annoying and less informative. Douglas Murray just hates Muslims. That’s the only interest he has in this issue. Totally uninteresting.
I'm in Douglas' camp, but he gets too heated for a useful debate.
I'm fairly certain that Douglas would not be able to keep the discussion centered on Israel/Palestine. His writings and research seem to have led him to dark and terrifying conclusions about the imminent and deliberate destruction of "the west." I believe he is at a standpoint of "by any means necessary" to preserve "the west," including mass deportations, and the outright destruction of those he sees as enemies.
@@gnostic-wolfhe is 100% correct about all of that, in fact he spends too much time trying to state his perspective in an eloquent and “respectable” way.
LIBERTY = SOVEREIGNTY. For a lawyer, Will is pretty dumb.
Weird that Dave agreed with him, huh?
great episode!!!!
It’s scary to hear how Will is perfectly fine with forced deportations, people like him wouldn’t have trouble sleeping knowing hundreds of thousands can die in a death march across the desert
They just need to work on there cardio.
That bandaid is gonna have to come off eventually, might as well get it over with.
Hes fine with forced deportations when israel does them, when america does it to illiterate guatemalan peasants its LE BAD
You mean Armenians from Nagorno Karabah and Turkey,Coptic christians from Egypt,Syria,Lebanon,Iraq,Somalia or Serbs from Croatia...?
Its the lack of self awareness that gets me. He doesn't seem to realize that the exact same way he regards the Palestinians is how the Progressives in the Beltway regard middle America.
Dave Smith, continues to OWN lemmings!!
genuinely great episode. fantastic points by both sides. really glad the Thomas Sowell "there are no solutions, only tradeoffs" was brought up, because it seems to perfectly apply to the situation over there.
Sowell is just another "smart" who puts forward common sense nations as a solution to everything. It is important for the bosses to put forward a concept of an unchanging pie with your piece only being fixed by free market (of course the market must be free despite the effort of the bosses to set both wages and all other prices) a matter of how you spend you wage.
Lets just say theoretically, one side stopped shooting rockets into the other side. What might happen then? Lets say one side tried to produce their own electricty, own water. What might happen?
City Kalingrad in Russia used to belong to Prussia which is today’s Germany. When Germany lost WW2, Russia took over that part of Germany and deposited 100,000 ethnic Germans. If you google Kalingrad you can see it doesn’t have Russian architecture it still look like a German city. Consequences of war are devastating and that’s why we should do everything we can to not get in to wars because only civilians lose.
תודה רבה!TODARABA Thank you very much for this one from the American-israeli-american
Keep rubbing that shoulder Will 🤣
IMO Will is presenting a very distorted version of the facts
Please elaborate
So is Dave 😂
It's so hard to listen to Will. He ends like every few sentences with "right?" even though he's not actually asking a question or looking for any sort of confirmation. I don't know how this trend started, but it sounds so dumb and almost phony when people do this.
I feel the same way when people start a sentence with "I mean", and they hadn't even said anything prior.
@@Not_A_TouristOr "like",very poor grammar,I thought we left that behind with the 80s.
I know there is so many comments that nobody will see this but sometimes I like to dress up as a carrot and bury myself in the garden
I hate carrots the tops look like parsley but taste terrible.
Yeah I got nothin
carrot patches smell like fruity pebbles
All the way passed the nose?
Well he admitted it. Apartheid state.
In a certain way it is, though the people being discriminated against are a legitimate security risk... But it definitely isn't an Apartheid state *and* an occupation, it's one or the other.
@@ReallyAwesomeBoyThat's like saying the slaves couldn't be freed in the US because they might attack their former owners.
@@Galgus2000no, it's not like that at all actually.
1) the slaves had not repeatedly and openly planned and conducted mass indiscriminate terrorism and indoctrinated their children with hatred
2) the Palestinians are not in forced labor working for Israel, not getting paid for their work but just barely being fed and housed
It's not just that they "might" do something, it's that they have, and will, and say they will.
I'm not even a rah rah Israel guy but your comparison is trash. There very well may be other great arguments for a 2 state solution, or for changing the details of the current arrangement, etc... obviously something has to change, and innocent Palestinians dying is not the thing that needs to happen. But your comparison was just crap.
Great episode MM,thanks for having Dane Cook and Rainn Wilson on as your guests. 😂
RUclips hates my thoughts on the subject and the fallacious positions Will takes. 😂 I'm starting to see the appeal of uncensored platforms.
Will is a white nationalist dressed in Jewish clothes.
There are specific words that get your responses deleted, very annoying.
and many times they just block the comment for anyone except you, if you log incognito you cant see it while on your account still there. sneaky yt, antimonopoly should take a slash to google.
Will referring to Azerbaijan's recent successful attempt at ethnically cleansing Nagorno-Karabagh (Artsakh) of Armenians as just a conflict shows how out of touch he really is. I like how he considers years long blockade of Artsakh and practically starving, bombing, and going on a mass murder against the people of that region as just conflict. Aliyev's government's mass murdering campaign to rid Artsakh of Armenians who's ancestors live there for centuries is not just a conflict.
Here's a hot take: if you're uninformed about a subject, then at the very least don't talk about it. Stick to what you know or claim to know.
Dave totally mopped the floor with Chamberlain.
Will is so boring to listen to. If he had valid points I couldn’t hear them because I was zoned out.
"No they have to stay in their homes." 🤣
39:30 oh so the israeli government was FORCED to drop bombs, oh my bad sorry benji
Isn’t it crazy that Ryan Reynolds is playing Mitt Romney in a Netflix movie coming out this winter
That’s major news!!!
@@MARKNORMANDSINNERTHOUGHTSlol
Please no. Ryan Reynolds is one of the few celebrities I still like....
@@miramichi30Hey man c'mon, Christian Bale played as Dick Cheney in the movie Vice,
but then again he's a f!@$ing @$$hole irl anyway. 😂
Will is kind of weird
I don't think Will knows anyone from any of these countries he talks about as if he knows them intimately. Just can't take the guy seriously.
I just hope the Israeli people are able to learn the truth of that day, who in their governemnt/military allowed this to happen and that they don't go 20+ years waiting for the truth of their inside job to come out like us Americans.
Same with HAMAS Leader. Shit is Hilarious all sides working together to create fake wars for the past couple decades.
The people of Israel are foaming at the mouth to hold the people who allowed this to happen responsible. But they have to hold the people that did it responsible first.
@@ReallyAwesomeBoy well, Netanyahu helped create Hamas, so he needs to be tried for his many crimes against humanity and if found guilty, face execution.
It was a coordinated operation. Personally, I think those involved in the Israeli gov and defense dept need to be exposed and face the music first.
I'm far more upset at the demons in our (US) government, Intel community, deep state/MIC that were involved in 9 11 than any alleged Arabs involved and I know I am not alone in that line of thinking
This sounds like a women shouldn't wear short dresses argument. So if terrorists come in from Canada, its our government's fault, correct?
@@djarumastrofoo You're ignorant, CNN literally had a journalist inside the attack, if CNN knew ahead enough to plant Journalists in HAMAS during and before the attack, how come the CIA and Israeli intelligence didn't respond or know? How come the festival was moved to be in front of a military base days before the attack and why? How come Israel hid the fact they killed their own citizens for a month+ with a Helicopter attack during the raid on the festival? How come Israel is killing their own citizens via Bombs despite saying their reason for invading is to take back "Hostages" and not only their hostages, Reported AMERICAN Hostages? How come they're firing on Civilians to the point they have accidently killed Christians just walking around mistaking them for "HAMAS" somehow despite them not being armed?
Wake up clown, this is 9\11 all over again, planned by US and Israeli intelligence.
Now look at the billions we gave Iran to fund HAMAS during obama admin, then look at the Billions in assets we gave Iran DAYS before the Attack on Oct 7th.
Stop being sheep. Wake up.
Two serious questions: is property damage violence? Does property damage violate NAP?
Yes and yes.
Yes, technically, but people usually mean physical harm to a person when they use the word violence
of course it can be. does it re-order your life against your will?
@@Blackeye808 i specifically thought about rioters, and how the state has been able to enact violence against them. I agree, just wondered in regards to blm and how theyre widely held unaccountable.
My main ponderance came from how many states do not allow, and will punish you severely, for using force to protect your property, and how that policy is a violation of natural rights.
Property destruction, or theft, is generally considered "aggression" under the NAP, but not violence per se.
Under us law you may defend your property with "ordinary" (that is non-lethal) force, arson is another matter entirely.
There is a simpler solution: Sometimes groups dislike each other and fight. A completely natural phenomena.
Woah! Revolutionary idea!
And sometimes that fighting is none of your business
@@darbyohara it is none of my business.
@@darbyoharait is my business whenever both sides are getting funded by my tax dollars
Will "I Dont Like Sources that dont fit my narrative" Chamberlain
That goes for you too.
Dave Smith crushes another!
I feel like, i dont understand why you can't win property through war. That's just how it has always been.
Conquest (i.e. the assumption and subjugation of territory through military force) is proscribed by Article II of the UN Charter. The Israeli government agreed to abide by the Charter in 1949.
Of course, laws are just words on paper. Power is all that matters in the real world.
It was nice of Michael to try to end the beating Will was taking at 48 minutes with the 19th amendment joke. Even though I know this wasn't a debate, when Will fell right into the apartheid state position, that was it for the conversation. After that it was just cognitive dissonance.
“They shouldn’t be allowed to leave the house.” And I thought Dave was the comic on the panel. MM is a better anarchist and comedian. 😂
What you're saying is correct. But also it isn't Apartheid any more than having criminals who can't leave prison is Apartheid.
@@ReallyAwesomeBoy criminals entire families and neighbors aren’t in prison with them tho. This should be obvious…
@@troypisano5409 Okay it's a little more Apartheid than that. But prisoners neighbors are in fact also in prison, and their entire family is there with them if they are also criminal.
@@ReallyAwesomeBoy You can't just arbitrarily label the population of Gaza as criminals that's insane. Its a terrible analogy and you know it. People aren't born and raised in prison. People who've done no wrong don't belong in prison. They happen to be ruled by shitty people that got voted for almost 2 decades ago. That doesn't justify what is happening or has happened to them. Of course they're not all innocent. But just as they aren't all innocent they aren't all guilty. Frankly i'd be willing to be there's more innocent than guilty.
I think the religious aspect is missed. That is the underlying issue
Dave Smith: Ok I'm glad you concede that, but now here you've got a next really big problem...
Will Chamberlain: *Shits Pants*
8:14 Loomer is awesome
43:34 - Exactly. Fuck Around and Find Out.
Teraloneus sounds dope af 37:07
Failed comedian Dave Smith and notable underwear model Michael Malice are great together.
9/11 and the Oct 7 attack are not comparable because the U.S. Was not occupying or blockading any country from which the attackers came. The U.S. was definitely responsible for foreign policy that angered people in the middle-east, but nothing on the level of Israel's behavior toward Gaza/its population. In this sense, the Oct 7 attacks have a much clearer motive. Violence is never justified, but it's much more expected. It was horrible, but was anyone shocked that Hamas might attack Israel or vice versa???
Violence is never justified? That really is a utopian fantasy.
I fucking love you lol
Why do people still invite Will on their shows? He will never see any other side of any Israeli conflict issue. Waste.
At this point I think both sides should go f*ck themselves.
It good to hear the zionist position, so you can see how biased and draconian it is. I hope that's why people have hom on, so the world can hear him calmly explain how Palestinians deserve no basic human rights
Wilt can read Hamas' mind... how many minds is that exactly?
Will brings up Oct 7 a million times without talking about what Israel was doing before then 🌚
What was Israel doing before then?
Or what they did that day
Including shelling their own civilians and then revising their casuality numbers by half.
@@Jackaroo.Nakba
Same with Ukraine. They love talking about 2022 but never the years preceding it and the events leading up to it.
So you’re defending the actions of Oct 7? What do you suggest the response should be?
Lawyers are a joke. Make a case no matter what. Lame but educational.
I have a headache & it’s not even over yet 😮💨
Dave was out autismed on this one 😅
1:01:37 lets all thank dave smith for making him say that, god that was so satisfying to hear.
I thought it was gonna have Wilt The Stilt now I’m disappointed
Instead you got Will the Still. Or better yet, Will the Shill.