Understanding Anarchism with Michael Malice
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- In this interview, I talk to anarchist and author Michael Malice. We discuss a world without rulers, the human propensity for cooperation, and how bitcoin could be an engine for change.
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00:01:40 What is Anarchism?
00:08:27 What does The State do Well?
00:13:49 Rules and Anarchy
00:16:17 The Educational System
00:22:26 Gun Ownership
00:24:26 NYC Post Pandemic
00:35:43 Borders and War
00:42:02 Bitcoin in El Salvador
00:44:40 Does Anarchy Scale to Millions?
00:47:06 Why does Michael stay in the US?
00:50:27 Are People Waking Up?
00:52:41 Would we just rebuild the state?
01:01:07 Bitcoin and Censorship
01:04:37 Toxic Maximalism
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01:19:26 Libertarians vs. Anarchists
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“People by their nature prefer to cooperate, not because they are genuinely kind, but because conflict and violence is very very expensive; if you have a knife fight you are getting stabbed, even if you win.”
- Michael Malice
Location: New York
Date: Wednesday 9th June
Project: michaelmalice.com
Role: Author
It's a common misconception that anarchy revolves around chaos and war when it is simply about freedom. Anarchists want to see the removal of all government and society to run on an entirely voluntary, cooperative basis.
While it's uncertain what our world would look like without rulers, technology is the greatest driver of transformation in the modern world. Bitcoin has realised an anarchist dream as an incorruptible form of money, controlled by the people outside of government intervention. It is a powerful catalyst for freedom.
Michael Malice is a staunch anarchist and author who believes anarchism is an apparatus for achieving human joy. In this interview, we discuss how the world would operate without state intervention, the human propensity for cooperation, and how Bitcoin is a catalyst for change.
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Just reading The Anarchist Handbook organised by Michael Malice
I liked chapter 5
@@teksimian Herbert Spencer yeah
Organized with Zee(not Zed)
@@mackab5179 Thoughts on it so far?
Yall should also read "the conquest of bread" by Kropotkin and explore the entirety of the theanarchistlibrary.org
I've been a huge Michael Malice fan for many years now. This is one of my favorite interviews.
he is straight?
@@asianbodyart I think so
halph stepping pussy
video in general
I don't know. I can't quite stand the uncertainty of the interviewer. I feel bad for his kids when a dad stands on such uneasy ground about his ideas and assertations
"It's not stupid, it's very smart."
I love the straight-forwardness of Michael when he is being serious.
He nailed that point too
its one of his pedantic asshole quirks; totally missing your point and zeroing on one verb and arguing you’re incorrect
It’s frustrating to hear normies try and wrap their minds around his world view and philosophy. It’s sad to hear normal, otherwise intelligent people, repeat lies they’ve been taught by governments, media, academics. For example, the way this guy talks about history and wars is just what he’s learned from politicians and media propagandists. It’s a reminder of how far we have to go to get people caught up enough to even have productive discourse around solutions to the problems. It honestly seems like an impossible task. We’re so far behind. We should have been having these conversations over a decade ago.
@@overduetax if you listened to the entire point being made by Michael regarding that quote you’d understand the correct point he was making, critique analysis is something Michael does extremely well to the frustration of most non anarchist
@@joleaneshmoleane8358
It's difficult for most of us to wrap our minds around his philosophy. Anarchy is a synonym for chaos in common usage. I've been following Malice for a couple years. I still have to stretch my imagination to follow him. It would probably piss him off to know the most obvious effect he's had on my politics is to make me a Libertarian. heh
"This is Texas, my hairdresser has a gun." - Sandra Bullock, Miss Congeniality
Michael Malice may be the most important thinker of our time.
Read Mencius Moldbug
@@samkramer2005 where to start? and is there any credence to the accusations of racism? he still could have good ideas about other things, but its relevant for me
@@countdooku75no, he's not a racist
I love watching Malice pop someone's cherry on anarchism
It only hurts when a statist clenches
@@SocraticMethodGuy it only hurts one of them. Malice seems to like the squeeze, if you catch my meaning.
That bastard took mine.
Honestly love that he popped mine about a year ago.
Too bad malice is an idiot
Michael Malice has been killing it as a guest on many shows lately. Saw him on Jordan Peterson, Sargon of Akkad, and now this show. Spreading anarchism to all these HUGE audiences. This is amazing! Go Michael! You are killing it bro! Keep up the good work!
"In America, you're spending a billion dollars to get a 200k dollars a year job as a president"
gotta love this guy
You are definitly moving in the right direction!!
@@ericrodwell8706 if a lack of inflation is related to anarchy then we nwed to re evaluate how we define government
Slowly because they're british, but Malice is helping.
"Australia has done well." One of my clients is in Melbourne. They shut down for a week because there were 3 cases. I wouldn't exactly call that normal.
We’re currently in week 5 of a ‘7 day circuit breaker’ lockdown
Australia is on the road to becoming a globalist, CCP-governed faux medical tyranny. Just look at what's happened in Victoria and since that was swallowed so well by the sleeping mainstream-media guzzling masses in Queensland and NSW as well.
Great interview. Two books I would suggest for anyone interested in the ideas that Micheal Malice was laying out, in addition to "The Anarchist Handbook", I would suggest "The Law" by Frédéric Bastiat and "Economics in one Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. They are two relatively short and easy to read books.
I would add Anatomy of the State by Rothbard and No Treason: Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner to that list
If they are short and easy to read, they probably don't have all the details for governing the world.
@@realmadrid314 read one and find out. What gives you the authority to govern the world?
Don't forget the discourse on voluntary servitude by Bouetie
@@realmadrid314 Sorry, but your words was very immature.
I listen to Micheal Malice more then weekly and read all of his books, and this interview(especially the end) made me happier then I’ve felt in a long time. 🙏
Bravo. It takes courage to address that subject
Anarchy does not mean “without rules”
It literally means “without rulers / without masters”
people say a lot of things about what they think anarchy is but i just hear "strongest dog fucks" we could all leave each other the f alone but that is a choice you may make and others may not. the only form of "anarchy" i could see actually working is the city-state where every city is free to form it's own laws largely independently and they compete with each other to draw economic activity by policy. you don't agree with the laws? you move or found your own settlement with like minded individuals.
@@moonsettler7537 What you've described is more akin to a Minarchy. Each city state will still have some form of ruling class, hence not an Anarchy.
@@moonsettler7537 And the strongest state would eventually win over all the others.
@@moonsettler7537 That is why I feel anarchy is just as much a utopian vision as is socialism. They both fail to account for people that don't want to fit into the system.
@@cliveadams7629 The status quo proves your statement to be false. In our current reality, does the strongest state rule all the others? There are nearly 200 sovereign countries, and they are all in anarchist relationships with one another.
As a native New Yorker, I concur with Malice about the city currently.
It was genuinely depressing last time I visited.
Nothing but corporate stores one after the other, Starbucks and frozen yogurt shops every four blocks.
Mom-and-pop shops have disappeared, and almost everything that made New York unique and different is GONE.
Just another generic US city, and that's coming from someone who was born there.
Always love listening to Michael. You'll be there in 6 months, Peter.
What an amazing exchange of ideas. Michael Malice , more of them as what we need.
Michael malice with a gun. Never heard anything more wonderful in my life.
I want to hear at some point that a frazzled Michael Malice held up a liquor store with a gun but later returned the stolen items with an apology and a signed copy of his book for the manager.
Michael Malice with a gun in Texas. You're welcome.
Great time spent with a quality guy. And yes, the compliment goes both directions in this instance.
I follow Malice and I'm happy he came on this show, I'll be following this channel now.
Wonderful conversation, thank you both.
This conversation reminds me of trying to bring my bike on the subway and having a police officer tell me ‘Hey man, I know it’s a stupid rule, but you can’t bring your bike on unless it’s foldable’. The train was empty. . .
This is the logic that people have when they run red lights at night and kill people. So there's that.
@@realmadrid314 driving through a red light late at night, still has a potential risk. What would the risk be in taking a bike on to a quiet train?
@@hutton87dfc sn unexpected rush of people at a following stop
Wow! Didn't see this one coming
Awesome that you got Michael Malice on
He says the UK has a very low amount of gun crime, and yet there is a great deal of knife-related crime if I'm not mistaken.
And acid attacks
Yup… very very high rate.
And in Nice, France a psychopath killed 86 people and injured 460 with a box truck in 2 minutes. People will find a way. Additionally if you removed inner city gang murder from gun crime stats it cuts the numbers in half and they are only 6% of the population. The US has a culture issue within certain demographics that are extremely overrepresented in crime. Switzerland issues full auto rifles to every fighting age male as they are all conscripts of the military and they don't have anywhere near the gun crime, demographics matter. A small group of mouthbreathers should not dictate the rights of millions of American's ability to protect themselves.
Exactly, I'm a Brit and I hate Brits who mock America for its gun crimes when the UK state turns the other cheek when knife crimes, grooming gang crimes and terrorism is occurring. I genuinely hate my country atm
London had a higher rate of murder than NY not too long ago.
Glad to see Malice!
The small coffee shops and old book stores are gone. My favorite place to meet new friends
Not in my town in rural pa. Try to find another place
Absolutely great conversation
The question about what a state does well is similar to the question of what cancer does well. Uncontrolled growth and reproduction, perverting a functional ecosystem until it destroys it.
excellent response.
I'll get it wrong, but Curtis Yarvin quote... "it's progressive, in the way that leukaemia is progressive"
Really bad analogy with unfounded, unscientific conclusion that the state supposedly destroys functional ecosystems. The byproducts of certain technologies can destroy ecosystems and anarchists would of course use technologies too. Communists like to blame ecological destruction on capitalism which is equally ideologically motivated and untrue.
It's a bad analogy because the state does not reproduce or do you think Luxembourg is the love child of Belgium and the Netherlands? ... Biological entities reproduce, computer viruses reproduce, but governments/states don't really do that. At best you can claim that the ideology perpetuates itself / reproduces by convincing young people to participate, but anarchism tries that as well, or what do you think Michael does in interviews like this and writing books promoting anarchism?
Also sates usually don't grow (except when a country annexes another country's territory, but that makes the other country shrink the exact same amount, so there is no net growth of state entities combined)
The only reason this comment gets upvotes is because people don't like to think about statements they already agree with.
@@thulyblu5486 Pretty full of yourself for a guy who misread the comment as being about environmentalism.
That’s why anything does if it gets too big
Champion of an episode🏆
The flavored vapes thing is so dumb. Imagine they banned all flavored alcohol and people had to start drinking straight vodka like me.
"Well clearly a 15 year old wouldn't drink it if its not blueberry"
Yeah sure. My generation smoked weed out of cans cause we didn't know better or have anything else to use. They'll find a way.
They didnt even ban all flavored vapes, they banned flavored vape cartridges, like Juuls.
I agree, but am thankful Obama made flavored cigarettes illegal back in 2010/2011. I switched to cloves and after I could find no more clove cigarettes, everything else was gross and I quit ten years ago, in May. So I know making this illegal is because of big tobacco, it actually helped me, when what they wanted was for be to go back to Marlboros and I quit. Lol
That always struck me as an even more dubious extension of the 'gateway drug' argument. If one accepts that premise as a standard of legal precedent, then banning the drinking of milk can be viewed as a rational measure to discourage ethanol consumption, since milk was usually ingested first, and by the same method.
Smoke out of cans gang represent 💪
This one will be hopefully an extremely well made one.
Love this guy! Michael Malice...Epic!
This was a fascinating discussion.
Michael is blowing up!
I love and agree with MM on everything! As a middle aged grandmother, I always thought of anarchy in a negative light…until recently.
I look up to you I hope I meet you
The state wants to take over the parents role. this is serious!
it always has
Eh, let’s be honest, parents are deferring too because they think they’re overwhelmed. I agree though, parents should be teaching independence and challenging authority
They already have now they want to be your religion
@@JoeBlobA They're overwhelmed because of the state
It has for the last 60 years
For those interested in Anarchism, look up the audio book "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose. many uploads of it on youtube. Big eye opener if you go into it with an open mind.
I wish Larken was more marketable.
I second this. Digest everything from Rose. After this, read Spooner, Rothbard, and Konkin... then G. Edward Griffin (Creature From Jekyl Island), Carrol Quigley (Tragedy And Hope), James Billington (Fire In The Minds Of Men), become familiar with James Corbett, Richard Groves, and for the real extra credit anarchy studies, Mark Passio and Etienne de la Boetie. Banish your ignorance.
No thanks I don’t waste time on utopian fantasies
Anything on radical unschooling, since that's anarchism you can practise here and now.
Don't forget: Steven Pinker wrote the praise for a book against compulsory schooling (Free to Learn by Peter Gray).
@@oakgnarl5021 you are based
Sincere and enjoyable interview.
Boom this is gonna be a good one ....
great stuff
May I humbly suggest that you add the recording date? It does add a significant amount of context.
Ah! I found it in the notes!
Fantastic interview
I love Michael's reaction to Scott Horton saying he would not push the Great Red Button.
I need to see that because I can't believe it. How could someone so anti-war not want to end the state immediately?
correction, Melbourne, Australia Locked down for over a month and have had 4 separate lockdowns - worst city in the world for coof restrictions, place is cuckked to the Max
Good questions
this is great!
jajaj "Bitcoin is white supremacy" great way to put it Michael
Wonderful interview. Immensely constructive.
That was great I love Michael Malice. Cheers mate
Mind blowing
Excellent
Wonderful interview
Smart chap--insightful and cogent--rare today.
this is amazing
First time i hear this guy.... (Sorry, i forgot the name) He's very good at this! Articulate and clever but everyday at the same time. I've heard many Michael interviews/discussions, this is one of the best. Thanks!
Michael Malice (heart)
Great video. I appreciate the honesty give me a lot to think about
It's incredible how many podcasts Malice has done recently lol
Michael Malice is awesome and fair.
I love Michael Malice! Finally someone talking about what I’ve been thinking my whole life. I’m just upset his t shirt says your welcome instead of you’re welcome.
Thats his podcast and the word is used correctly in the context he uses it on his show.
Good stuff
We actually do have guns in the UK, it's just that people from the urban liberal milieu think we don't because gun owners know to keep quiet so they won't be banned outright.
And gun crime is higher now than when British people were entitled to own semi auto rifles and handguns, so the gun laws are nothing to do with the low rates of gun crime in the UK. The historic population is just generally low in prosperity for crime.
Unfortunately the most important word in that sentence was 'historic'
great interview.
Great advice, let everyone do whatever they think is best for them, and hope for the best 🤯
There are almost infinite avenues to finding truth and meaning in life. All humans should have the freedom and space to explore these avenues. The fact that we allow the state and hegemonic dogma insert itself into this process simply a product of lesser human states of consciousness like doubt, fear, and cowardice.
"I can't answer that question, but pretty bad..." all with that big ass grin on his face 🤣😂 Never change Michael!
Fantastic
"...she literally quit her job today". That's a keeper!! Very awesome.
What about "Anarchism is based on Natural Law", not man-made law
No such beast - none found in the animal kingdom
@@ethimself5064 "The Animal Kingdom" is subject to Natural Law....
see Judge Napolitano's lecture on the subject
What about anarchism will never exist because under International law, where there is no government, any government in the world who can occupy the land, may call it theirs.
It's the delusions of autistics
Yeah, Malice phrases it like law and legislation are the same thing; historical precedent disagrees.
lol, that little discussion at the end they had about Breedlove XD
The pandemic question used to be the most difficult question in anarchist theory. Luckily, 2020 put forth the answers that now puts it to rest.
what if the pandemic had actually been very deadly? Would that have changed the conclusions? just curious
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@@countdooku75 Read The Counter Revolution of Science by Hayek. It should be free on the Mises Institute website. Governments are incapable of dealing with complex decisions because the data needed for these decisions is completely out of their reach. Even if they had the data, they couldn't possibly make decisions on behalf of millions of individuals and thousands of communities and organizations that all have different preferences and needs.
And even if they could, should they? No. It doesn't matter how good government is at given problem. If the money is stolen and the solution is coerced, it is immoral.
Govt is awful at solving problems, you will get no disagreement from me there, but the moral infraction is much more egregious than the impracticality of State intervention.
Not your son wanting to do the monologue that Timotheé Chalamet did in high school haha. Love it
Wow, so much has changed since this interview dropped, I feel you guys need to do an interview update as see what you guys think about what has happened since.
Yeah, really. Conspicuous by its absence in this discussion is the fact made abundantly clear in the last few years: that the world is in the grip of social engineers with a global-scale agenda to enslave humanity beyond reversal, and that the only way out of it is to relinquish the false belief in the valid authority of governments.
When contemplating anarchism why is practically everyone unable to see the fallacy of scalability, for lack of a better term? If they can imagine it for a small group, a neighborhood or a town then what's the issue?
In my day-to-day life, I don't deal with 360 million people! So if I can function on a voluntary basis within my own sphere and those with whom I interact do the same within their own spheres, why can't it continue farther and farther out until the whole 360 million are all acting voluntarily within their own spheres as in reality most of us already do? Abolish the state and life goes on.
I would guess that if we could wave a magic wand and make the state and all it's bureaucrats disappear tomorrow, the wheels of commerce would not come to a screeching halt.
Without the anarchy of the market and the resulting price signals, there is no way for a planned economy to operate. The USSR relied on prices from American catalogs to allocate resources.
People fear the unknown. The fallacy of scalability allows them to let the pursuit of perfection be the bulwark against progress. Think about every argument against anarchism you've ever heard. It almost always comes down to letting one very focused, specific "what if" scenario be 100% of the proof that anarchism simply cannot work. Roads & schools is most common, then criminals, then social safety nets.
Some extreme, unique, specific example that violates absolute perfection, therefore, cannot work at any scale whatsoever. If you cannot make work perfectly for even 1 person out of 335 million, then it cannot work period. Nothing more than an artificial barrier to change. Allegory of the Cave comes to mind.
People believe we need God to behave. Since God is dead to many people these days, the government takes its place. It is the omnipresent, omniscient, safety net that gives everyone just that little sense of security they're terrified to go without. In other words, God.
Its no coincidence that the countries in the last 100 years with the biggest most overbearing and tyrannical governments have been secular.
Scalability is one of the last firewalls once someone has accepted many of previous assertions that typically precede this question, it is not based entirely on logic in my opinion. Think of how difficult it is to get someone to admit their religion is wrong, you'll find a similarly irrational hill they'd rather die on. Its based around fear. Thats how they control us. It's that fear that we can't trust each other, that we cant figure out survival for ourselves,, or to quote the Bible "It does not belong to man even to direct his own step." It's the same control mechanisms.
The same reason they don't see under the Law of Nations any land without a government is deemed Terra Nullius (Nobodies Land) thus any power who can Effectively Occupy said land becomes the government. They have no actual idea what world they live in; they live in a fantasy world. If the defense contractors and corporate powers didn't do it, China would.
Anarchism only means "No leaders" in theory, like Communism means equality.
In reality, Communism means destruction of all existing power structures and mass murder...it is Anarchism. Anarchism means war for Effective Occupation of the land to create a new government. Terra Nullius and Effective Occupation are the Law of Nations doctrines used to colonize "the new world, legally.
European powers didn't recognize the Natives as owning the land outside of their villages they Effectively Occupied because the Natives hadn't developed the land outside of their villages. Without the land being in use, it was nobodies under the Law of Nations therefore could belong to any power who could Effectively Occupy it.
Wouldn't traffic be a nightmare...i mean sure, the town with 1 traffic light wouldn't be needed but NYC? I doubt there'd be any harmony there. Also Malice said, "if we could get Saddam in 1 week let's do it" is a pretty statist cuck thing to say...
What I would give to give to my humans the freedom to do what they want.
I would turn the Big Red Button black and blue.
Shout out to Peter for adressing Anarchism !!
Hell yea!
For A New Liberty by Rothbard is a great blueprint
I've never seen a conversation where Tom Woods would be such an important voice in these topics. He's been speaking for years on this shit.
Malice and Woods have done many podcasts together, and they even have a running cartoon series on RUclips
55:30 Or come to Argentina, Trafic lights are mitts of the future in a lot of places XD
Awesome, I remember giving Peter the benefit of doubt before writing him off as a statist. I'm glad he didn't disappoint. I wish him good luck in continuing on this journey.
Yo peter, good job bro!!! RespecT
OhhShit, You know to feeling when you know you have changed for ever.
51:35 I listened to several times, it feels like people WANT it around for this reason.
Well said
Your welcome
Anyone else catch the irony in the timing and subject concurrent to the host's demurring from more explicitly taking Malice to task on his schooling the host on his use of "funny", which he damn well knows is just an expression?
Funny as in weird . Got ya back
1:00:00 agree.
I can't wait for the moment COVID is no longer a discussion topic in the BTC community.
It will always be because it is and authoritarian attack premeditated by the central bankers
If the state becomes in favor of Bitcoin… next will be regulation, which is another word for control.
The very reason the State exists in the first place is because of our penchant of forming tribes and stealing resources from each other. So we have the State to organize and facilitate the goals of the tribe while providing the defense of the tribe. Because of human nature, the State will grow at the request of the tribe to the point it will pursue its own interests over the tribe's interests. This is why utopia can and will never exist.
It was priceless when Malice said, “I don’t care about Goldman (Sachs). This place can burn to the ground.”
Malice is badass
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
18:30
Yes, it's a very effective way to say it.
If there hadn't been lockdowns and s*t I'd probably never learned about Michael Malice and anarchism and now I am eager to listen to him. So the state did not all wrong within the last 18 months or so, right?!
You know you are an anarchist when your shirt says “Your Welcome” 😂
His show
It's an eye grab thing. No deep meaning to it.
V smooth brain
His show and it's a clever play on words, something he's fond of doing. "Dear reader" for instance
“Let this be “your welcome” …” is his introduction at the beginning of his show.
Not a criticism but I find it perplexing that it is such a challenge to people to change their mind or the way they view something, including government, media, politics, education, religion