The ejection/ parachute system design is awesome. After you pull the handle, the rocket ignites the fuel tank, and everything explodes and turns to pieces, sand grain size. The parachute then comes down and marks the site of the accident for the NTSB.
I think the problem is it'll use up more gas meaning you need bigger fuel tank. If you wanna keep the small frame and keep it light, the one engine is the way to go.
I flew a sail-plane(glider) in Hungary equipped with the same type of jet engine mounted on a fully retractable plate right behind the cockpit ,it's now capable on taking off with the fabulous power it makes ,and become a sail plane again at "MECO"..!!..we are planning a cross country trip with two other experimental planes(two seater) and twice the amount of jet fuel than the SONEX..!!!..and capable of long distance gliding when high altitudes are reached...great future for Xtra-light jet GA..!!!!!!
I used to work on jets, People, you cannot believe how much thrust a little motor like this can put out. When I worked on Lear jets, those little ones like the 1960s series Lear 23s, the engines were only the size of a garbage can, about the diameter of a car tire. Amazing
Agreed but really so much that it's a new plane from scratch. I have a riveted plane too but I really feel that type of construction has to go away. It restricts the shape too much and they always end up relying on some fiber parts anyway. I'm not opposed to metal but the shape has to be perfect, can't be limited to boxy shapes and the rivets isn't a good look either. You don't see riveted sailplanes and doing one big fuselage piece in composite must be a faster build as well so why are any planes sheet metal. I really think small jets has big potential but this engine is a turbojet, not a turbofan like passenger jets use and that would give much better fuel efficiency. Also a better shape of the vehicle would allow better flight. The sonex is not aerodynamic and it really matters if you want to go 500km/h or more. While this engine is expensive and overly so, it's not hard to imagine that a tiny jet could be inexpensive in mass production so imagine a beautiful sleek plane with 2 tiny jets, could be your car style 4 seat config like a Lancair IV or Cirrus but pressurized so it can fly high where you gain fuel efficiency and speed and you have 2 engines which gives some confidence to fly over oceans. Imagine such a vehicle under 200k$. A private jet.
@UCE8SZM6LvCE8LvHu5hoNULw no, a vision jet still has the minibus layout with a 1.56m cabin while a Lancair IV is 1.16m and you wouldn't double the engine power by adding another engine. It would be two smaller. The visionjet is over 1.6ton empty. What I have in mind would weigh less than 1/3. So each engine would only need 1/6 the power. The visionjet Williams FJ33 engine weighs 140kg and produces 800kg thrust. Williams developed an EJ22 engine with 310kg thrust and it only weighed 44kg. So it would be 2 tiny engines weighing maybe 15kg each. And relative material strength increases greatly with smaller size and manufacture cost drops rapidly. Maybe you can imagine that a 15kg engine could be inexpensive in mass production. Dirt cheap if you do it well.
@@DanFrederiksen If you are willing to to add the complexity of 2-4 engines, then some of the RC model plane jet engines might work. They have a much better price even considering 4 engines vs 1 engine. The sweet spot seems to be around 67 lb of thrust for $5000 - ish. They go up to around 90 lb of thrust but the price doubles to around $12,000 each. www.chiefaircraft.com/radio-control/turbine-engines/jetcat.html You may be range restricted on this plane, but with a more aerodynamic and lighter air-frame, a bit more fuel and range, and the redundancy of multiple engines with the 'chute. I could see doing cross country. Like a sport bike, you aren't going to want to be in the saddle for more than 2 hours per leg anyway. A 300 mile range with a generous safety factor gives you a lot of options.
Likely shares some traits too. It looks like fun if you could afford it, but probably some of the same sketchiness factor too in being fast with small landing gear.
Anyone else notice the vice grips between the windscreen & the front panel. I guess an ATAF wasn't a priority prior to filming. Great video, this jet looks like a bunch of fun.
It’s gonna be a looker for sure. It reminds me of the BD5J that was made popular by the “Coors Silver Bullet” back in the ‘80s. I got to see perform once at an air show and it was a screamer for sure. I would be curious how the 2 compared with each other. If you run across the stats, pass them on, would you? Good video and fun facts. Thanks 😊
The subsonex is nothing like the bd5j. That plane was a poorly designed death trap. The subsonex is built like a tank and was designed by a very experienced team. They are being further developed for military uav applications
Day flight only? I didn't see any landing lights in your video or on Sonex's website. Also was there no room in the nose or wings for fuel? Rocket next to fuel tank at you back, really? Sweet fast plane but I'd rather have an ejection seat. After all everything else is replaceable.
Check out Paul Dye’s Sonex jet. Looks like a super fun airplane, but short fun rides are all it is good for and not all of us can afford over $100 K for a 1.5 hour range fun machine.
Does anyone know how/if it would be possible to mod the aircraft to have a bubble canopy with no bar in the sightline? (see the F16) Seems like it might be doable.
Never, never, base your sanity on finding like minded weirdos on RUclips. After all, I’m here and on your side. You should really evaluate the company you keep. :)
Based on time, speed and fuel consumption I would go with the lancair you only lose a few knots but with two seats and 1/3 of the fuel and acquisition costs..
If he was still alive and with us, my all time favorite Officer of all time, Gen Daniel James Jr would shake your hand and be first in line to test fly your build. In truth, I know for a fact that he would be tickled to fly it as there was never a plane he didn't want to fly
Fuel consumption is high compared to piston engine and you really don't get that much more speed.. The Lancer will give you almost the same speed with excellent fuel economy.
Sir, just asking this jet engine speed 200 KM per hour right?. If true, what happen if we put three this jet engine 600 KM per hour?. Just asking 😊. Request more video like this. From Malaysia
The TJ100 has a built in generator. While the engine uses battery power to get started, once it starts up the airplane systems and engine switch to running off the 28v output from the engine.
Yes that is a heated seat switch next to the lights. It is the only form of heat in the cockpit which is needed since the plane can fly up to 17,500ft!
Or put Pbs's t-1000 on that, add wing tanks and axillary tanks and get rid of that one behind the seat. Not exactly sure how much I like having a fuel tank in the cockpit with me. Or get it designed to accept a 20 - 45 gallon tank in the rear below the parachute housing plus wing tanks and/or auxiliary tanks.
Amazing and fun jet! Very impractical, but mast be really joy to fly it. Mike, can you do video about their two seat jet version which is currently in development? It is available for reservation now and planned to start delivering by end of this year.
I just realized why this is dangerous---- I want to build a jet... some day I will, engine and all. Without going into my background too much - I enjoy machining and engineering parts, i've done it for my entire career. When I think of designing a plane, i realized I have to test each individual part for beyond it's life cycle to have definitive data on it's failure points and modes. Anything shy of that opens you up to what I call simply unexpected catastrophic failures. If this is from a kit thats different, it HAS been tested.... but when coming up with home brew, I suggest you very strongly consider your experience and personal acceptance levels, and the legal acceptance levels of risk you are assuming. this is AWESOME though!
Finally a black who presents and speaks technology, super very happy to follow you guys 😎👍 I love the front of the plane it has a little resemblance to the Russian mig 😜
Having been a airframe fitter in the RAF working on military jets i look at the metalwork in utter disbelief, talk about toy-town ish it has certification but god knows how! The seat looks comfortable admittedly. Oh the engine has 240 lbs of thrust LOL is that west or dry😂 sorry I shouldn’t laugh i honestly would love to fly it though.
Great video, keep it up. Be aware there is no such thing as "aircraft grade aluminum". That phrase first came about as a marketing phrase used to promote non aircraft items as "somehow superior" in quality (by association) to justify their high selling price, i.e. flashlights, etc. The aluminum(s) used in aircraft are just referred to by their alloy types, mostly in the 7000 series. -best, -hg
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The ejection/ parachute system design is awesome. After you pull the handle, the rocket ignites the fuel tank, and everything explodes and turns to pieces, sand grain size. The parachute then comes down and marks the site of the accident for the NTSB.
Noted...
still getting this
would love to put it in the camo the sukhoi SU-27's use
Haha
Good insight!
Yeah it doesn't seem like a very good design.
Would love to see 2 of thos enginges mounted like the a 10
And put the canon too
I think the problem is it'll use up more gas meaning you need bigger fuel tank. If you wanna keep the small frame and keep it light, the one engine is the way to go.
Brrrrrt
@@MarcLloydZ put a little fuel in the wings and the pilot can take at least 25 gallons on his lap!
@@L3v3LLIP ahh yes the best spot for a fuel tank that lap
P.S: i guess it being behind the head of the pilot ain't much better
I flew a sail-plane(glider) in Hungary equipped with the same type of jet engine mounted on a fully retractable plate right behind the cockpit ,it's now capable on taking off with the fabulous power it makes ,and become a sail plane again at "MECO"..!!..we are planning a cross country trip with two other experimental planes(two seater) and twice the amount of jet fuel than the SONEX..!!!..and capable of long distance gliding when high altitudes are reached...great future for Xtra-light jet GA..!!!!!!
I used to work on jets, People, you cannot believe how much thrust a little motor like this can put out. When I worked on Lear jets, those little ones like the 1960s series Lear 23s, the engines were only the size of a garbage can, about the diameter of a car tire. Amazing
5:52 That's what she said
If you think that engine is tiny, check out some of the gliders using RC jet engines with less than 100lb of thrust.
The man the legent him self lucifer moringstar
Loli4lyf ruclips.net/video/e9pM6ZxZ1f0/видео.html that’s one
Loli4lyf ruclips.net/video/EuqUXT3V_3I/видео.html there it is actually flying.
Would love to see this get the Mike Patey carbon fiber treatment.
Agreed.
Agreed but really so much that it's a new plane from scratch. I have a riveted plane too but I really feel that type of construction has to go away. It restricts the shape too much and they always end up relying on some fiber parts anyway. I'm not opposed to metal but the shape has to be perfect, can't be limited to boxy shapes and the rivets isn't a good look either. You don't see riveted sailplanes and doing one big fuselage piece in composite must be a faster build as well so why are any planes sheet metal.
I really think small jets has big potential but this engine is a turbojet, not a turbofan like passenger jets use and that would give much better fuel efficiency. Also a better shape of the vehicle would allow better flight. The sonex is not aerodynamic and it really matters if you want to go 500km/h or more. While this engine is expensive and overly so, it's not hard to imagine that a tiny jet could be inexpensive in mass production so imagine a beautiful sleek plane with 2 tiny jets, could be your car style 4 seat config like a Lancair IV or Cirrus but pressurized so it can fly high where you gain fuel efficiency and speed and you have 2 engines which gives some confidence to fly over oceans. Imagine such a vehicle under 200k$. A private jet.
@UCE8SZM6LvCE8LvHu5hoNULw no, a vision jet still has the minibus layout with a 1.56m cabin while a Lancair IV is 1.16m and you wouldn't double the engine power by adding another engine. It would be two smaller. The visionjet is over 1.6ton empty. What I have in mind would weigh less than 1/3. So each engine would only need 1/6 the power. The visionjet Williams FJ33 engine weighs 140kg and produces 800kg thrust. Williams developed an EJ22 engine with 310kg thrust and it only weighed 44kg. So it would be 2 tiny engines weighing maybe 15kg each. And relative material strength increases greatly with smaller size and manufacture cost drops rapidly. Maybe you can imagine that a 15kg engine could be inexpensive in mass production. Dirt cheap if you do it well.
@@DanFrederiksen If you are willing to to add the complexity of 2-4 engines, then some of the RC model plane jet engines might work. They have a much better price even considering 4 engines vs 1 engine. The sweet spot seems to be around 67 lb of thrust for $5000 - ish. They go up to around 90 lb of thrust but the price doubles to around $12,000 each.
www.chiefaircraft.com/radio-control/turbine-engines/jetcat.html
You may be range restricted on this plane, but with a more aerodynamic and lighter air-frame, a bit more fuel and range, and the redundancy of multiple engines with the 'chute. I could see doing cross country.
Like a sport bike, you aren't going to want to be in the saddle for more than 2 hours per leg anyway. A 300 mile range with a generous safety factor gives you a lot of options.
Totally agree!
Beautiful little plane! It's like a second generation BD-5J.
Likely shares some traits too. It looks like fun if you could afford it, but probably some of the same sketchiness factor too in being fast with small landing gear.
Sonex, LLC video on this jet stated 35 gph on takeoff and cruise of 230 mph at 17,000ft with a 17 gph burn rate.
That’s a beautiful aircraft. Thank you for this production.
Wow I wish I could make a jet like that...looks amazing the experience must have been.insanely fun
Can’t wait to see the 2-seat SubSonex!!
$140,000 jet and the back end is being held up with 2 cinder blocks and a My Pillow!
That's it.. I'm buying a My Pillow...
Block technology is non digital and proven...lol.
I get it. It’s an expensive pillow but, isn’t your jet’s sleep worth it?
This intro was better than others
Whew. Don't know how I feel about having my head that close to a gas tank/rocket/parachute contraption! 😂
Anyone else notice the vice grips between the windscreen & the front panel. I guess an ATAF wasn't a priority prior to filming. Great video, this jet looks like a bunch of fun.
What's really got my attention is those little household-sized bolts by which the entire craft & pilot hang from the engine ...
It’s gonna be a looker for sure. It reminds me of the BD5J that was made popular by the “Coors Silver Bullet” back in the ‘80s. I got to see perform once at an air show and it was a screamer for sure. I would be curious how the 2 compared with each other. If you run across the stats, pass them on, would you? Good video and fun facts. Thanks 😊
The subsonex is nothing like the bd5j. That plane was a poorly designed death trap. The subsonex is built like a tank and was designed by a very experienced team. They are being further developed for military uav applications
Mike ALWAYS has great content, love your channel! More people definitely needs to discover this cool channel.
Would love to get one and a pilot license....but would like two jets and make it look like mini A 10 style, squareish and solid.
And an AR15 in front of it for rule the city
“That’s an airplane, that’s an airplane.” You’re cracking me up dude. And the guy in the background that’s probably taking a nap.😂
If the parachute/rocket/fuel tank combo system doesn't work properly it's most likely blowing your head off so no fear of crash landing.
Been waiting for this episode.
Sweet holly moly Mike! Thanks for the video. Awesome cover !
Day flight only? I didn't see any landing lights in your video or on Sonex's website. Also was there no room in the nose or wings for fuel? Rocket next to fuel tank at you back, really? Sweet fast plane but I'd rather have an ejection seat. After all everything else is replaceable.
From where did you purchase the engine
what a nice jet💙👍✈
Great review!! Someday, someday...
What kinda license you need to fly this ?
I'd like to see one with a custom re-heater/afterburner on it ;)
Cute plane!
very exiting build ,will you build a frame or cowl around the jet engine for better aerodynamics..??
Check out Paul Dye’s Sonex jet. Looks like a super fun airplane, but short fun rides are all it is good for and not all of us can afford over $100 K for a 1.5 hour range fun machine.
LTVoyager just a fun toy. Not a practical airplane in my opinion
Rocket motor right behind a fuel tank right behind your head.
Wild
Well, it worked for the coyote when he was chasing the roadrunner in cartoons.
That would be one HELL of a ride!
That plane is likely as close to being Superman that you can get.
Is a private pilot license all that’s required?
Does anyone know how/if it would be possible to mod the aircraft to have a bubble canopy with no bar in the sightline? (see the F16) Seems like it might be doable.
were do you get this
Love your videos, man; very good stuff; it makes me feel like I'm not crazy for thinking about this stuff constantly
Never, never, base your sanity on finding like minded weirdos on RUclips. After all, I’m here and on your side. You should really evaluate the company you keep. :)
Question is, will it fly and will it shoot?
Mike, are the guys that built your EAB building this EAB?
Based on time, speed and fuel consumption I would go with the lancair you only lose a few knots but with two seats and 1/3 of the fuel and acquisition costs..
How does the recovery chute rocket blow that panel off ? Reliable ? Thanks
If he was still alive and with us, my all time favorite Officer of all time, Gen Daniel James Jr would shake your hand and be first in line to test fly your build. In truth, I know for a fact that he would be tickled to fly it as there was never a plane he didn't want to fly
You continue to put out great content
What is the max height of the pilot?
That would be fun to yank and bank around. Wonder what the G rating will be for this lawn dart.
I can see one of those in my near future.
Id like a personal mini A-10 Warthog
Smart young guy 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
I love your enthusiasm.
Fuel consumption is high compared to piston engine and you really don't get that much more speed.. The Lancer will give you almost the same speed with excellent fuel economy.
The Ultimate Toy. The difference between Men and Boys is the price. Wish the owner/builder was here.
Why not copy the Cirrus Vision; just on a smaller scale.
The entire power plant is on the exterior. Working on it would be so easy.
Don't jets normally have landing gear thats retractable???
Lol "you just sit in it and go faaast" xD
REEEEEEE
Sir, just asking this jet engine speed 200 KM per hour right?. If true, what happen if we put three this jet engine
600 KM per hour?. Just asking 😊. Request more video like this. From Malaysia
No landing light?
Whats its cruising speed ?
I need to figure out how to use 2 of these to make a part 103 legal A10 clone...
I'd love to see a turboprop about that size.
This engine core is used on the PBS TP100. 157 pounds wet installed with 241 HP.
Getting a bunch of friends to build it for you is only for you tubers. The rest of us build our own.
Speak for yourself I have friends
@@PnwPryo I am speaking for myself as I am building my airplane myself.
That’s an awesome thin
What is the useful load
I flew small aircrafts b4 but I don't think I can handle such a squeeze
And speed combination!!!
Mike you should review a cirrus vision jet
It was my understanding the TJ100 did not have a generator which meant this plan was electrically powered solely on batteries. Is that incorrect?
The TJ100 has a built in generator. While the engine uses battery power to get started, once it starts up the airplane systems and engine switch to running off the 28v output from the engine.
Is that a seat heater switch next to the lights?
Yes that is a heated seat switch next to the lights. It is the only form of heat in the cockpit which is needed since the plane can fly up to 17,500ft!
Or put Pbs's t-1000 on that, add wing tanks and axillary tanks and get rid of that one behind the seat. Not exactly sure how much I like having a fuel tank in the cockpit with me. Or get it designed to accept a 20 - 45 gallon tank in the rear below the parachute housing plus wing tanks and/or auxiliary tanks.
Amazing and fun jet! Very impractical, but mast be really joy to fly it. Mike, can you do video about their two seat jet version which is currently in development? It is available for reservation now and planned to start delivering by end of this year.
How much you can sell it for
Maybe someday you can get a chance to review a Bede BD-5J, the original Micro-Jet. Not many of them left still flying.
Awesome 👍 video of the Subsonex mini jet Mike. Keep on keeping on top of the clouds 😁 BIGGUN
Wow just wow
lol, the rocket is going to fire and split the fuselage open for the parachute to deploy? Good luck_
Man the center of gravity is off and the plane is tail heavy but a good creation
It's fascinating that such a small engine is enough to lift this.
That serial cable on the throttle needs to be secured against wear and tear.
What is the estimated range ?
No delta wing?
I would add some JETO engines off of a b52.
Sir it possible to at home
You should do a video on a hummingbird kit helicopter
I just realized why this is dangerous---- I want to build a jet... some day I will, engine and all. Without going into my background too much - I enjoy machining and engineering parts, i've done it for my entire career.
When I think of designing a plane, i realized I have to test each individual part for beyond it's life cycle to have definitive data on it's failure points and modes. Anything shy of that opens you up to what I call simply unexpected catastrophic failures.
If this is from a kit thats different, it HAS been tested.... but when coming up with home brew, I suggest you very strongly consider your experience and personal acceptance levels, and the legal acceptance levels of risk you are assuming.
this is AWESOME though!
how to you eject this thing?
It reminds me of the Volksjager
Me: Mom, can we get Cirrus Jet?
Mom: We have Cirrus Jet at home.
Cirrus Jet at home:
$65k just for the Jet engine?!?! And $140k-ish total... well there go my dreams of building one anytime soon.😩😫
great video wish you success.
Whats a "furl capacity"?
Fuel capacity r is close to e
the gas tank behind the pilot remindes me of the bf109
I have seen RC plains bigger than this! OMG there is no way in hell that would lift my 250 plus carcas off the runway and in to the air!
Very cool! but seems too small to support a plane
Make another video with engine start
Finally a black who presents and speaks technology, super very happy to follow you guys 😎👍 I love the front of the plane it has a little resemblance to the Russian mig 😜
...and here we are still waiting for common decency to be a trait from whatever culture you hail from. "Finally a black"?
The 60’s called, they want their racism back.
Why can’t they put three jets on that plane would it have enough fuel for all three jets
Having been a airframe fitter in the RAF working on military jets i look at the metalwork in utter disbelief, talk about toy-town ish it has certification but god knows how!
The seat looks comfortable admittedly. Oh the engine has 240 lbs of thrust LOL is that west or dry😂 sorry I shouldn’t laugh i honestly would love to fly it though.
Great video, keep it up. Be aware there is no such thing as "aircraft grade aluminum". That phrase first came about as a marketing phrase used to promote non aircraft items as "somehow superior" in quality (by association) to justify their high selling price, i.e. flashlights, etc. The aluminum(s) used in aircraft are just referred to by their alloy types, mostly in the 7000 series. -best, -hg
Aircraft grade refers to high strength aluminum alloys used in aircraft, it’s not your everyday aluminum lol
It's got smooth rivets Odie. Haha
Now build a version with an A10 style tail assembly and two engines :) MACH 1 anyone? :D