X-Plane 12 & Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 | Pros and Cons
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- One of the top questions asked on the channel is which flight simulator do I prefer, X-Plane 12 or Microsoft Flight Simulator. The fact is, I enjoy both for different reasons. In this live stream, I will show you the pros, and cons of each sim and what are the things that makes both sims enjoyable. The comparison I provide here is not to show which sim is better, but rather what things each sim does really well.
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![[MSFS vs XP12] Thoughts after the six flights I did](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Bd5hnl3WBBs/mqdefault.jpg)
X-Plane have also what I call « aircraft’s memory » if you land in EGLL for exemple with 3tons of fuel stand 223. If you leave xplane and you come back the aircraft is set up exact like you left it and this feature is really cool
X-Plane just RULES ! MSFS is just an children GAME !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 I wouldn't say that either. Both have their good and bad and as a pilot I fly both depending on what I want. I think MSFS is amazing for GA VFR flying.
If you could merge Lamina 's flight model with MSFS scenery, that would be the holy grail of flight sims. I own both.
Same can be said for DCS
Xplane has AUTOORTHO now ! just for children who likes eyecandy scenery !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 some children like to practice VFR flying… and Google Earth flying has been around for almost 15 years where you could practice VFR with real world scenery… not random boxes and trees
I was thinking the same thing. Laminar to use their flight modelling and their use of 3d roads with Asobos real world scenery. I would pay whatever for that. I have both X-Plane 11 and MSFS2020 and I use both equally.
One thing that baffles me about MSFS is the inexplicable lack of functionality for basic features that should be fundamental to any flight sim. Things like a working free camera, a replay system, ILS and ATC that aren’t completely broken, and these are just off the top of my head. To me, it’s proof that all the money in a AAA production can’t fix an incompetent core design. MSFS is visually superior but x-plane is better in every other regard, in my personal opinion.
A very important thing for me is to watch my starts and landings after the flight. I think we all are here cause we are aviation fans and love to see an airliner on final approach. In X-Plane i have nothing to do than choose replay mode, shift-5 and i can watch my landing from tower. That's amazing. No pre-recording, no plugin.
Of course... MSFS looks fantastic but at FL360 with orthos it makes no difference.
I fly only in VR and X-Plane is nearly perfect in VR, VR in MSFS needs a lot of work and i hope they put this a bit higher on their priority list.
At the moment i use XP11/12 for Airliners and my Aerobask fleet, MSFS for sightseeing.
"X-Plane is nearly perfect in VR, VR in MSFS needs a lot of work" - I have the exact opposite experience, as someone who only flies in VR, and honestly, I'm pretty frustrated about it because I've now dropped a bunch of money on X Plane. I feel duped. In X Plane, I'm getting constant crashes to desktop, and my PC is on the high end. SteamVR is an abomination and constantly crashes to desktop, despite owning a machine that is literal definition of "VR ready". Entire addons that I've purchased are presently unusable (including the exorbitantly-priced Hotstart Challenger 650).
Advice to anybody getting bad performance in MSFS VR: NERF THE ONSCREEN SETTINGS whilst in VR, but LEAVE THE VR SETTINGS AT MEDIUM or whatever. You don't need your graphics card splitting an already saturated rendering pipeline between your monitor graphics (which are presumably set around ultra for anybody with a card like the 3080 and up), and your VR headset.
@@danmoretti8898 I never have any CTD in X-Plane and MSFS runs very smooth too in VR at 45FPS and Ultra Settings.
Thats not the point.
My problem is the usability. The way i can interact with the cockpit with the controllers is terrible in MSFS. I can not move the position inside the aircraft and outside like in X-Plane. The whole camera system of MSFS is crap. And in MSFS the G1000/G3000 etc. is very blurry and unreadable in VR.
I didn't bought the Hotstart Challenger cause I informed myself beforehand that the aircraft is not VR compatible.
you should always do that.
The Airceafts from Aerobask are jewels in VR.
@@minitobo928 "I didn't bought the Hotstart Challenger cause I informed myself beforehand that the aircraft is not VR compatible."
Congrats. You're so smart!
In MSFS there is NO incompatibility in VR in the sense that - if you buy it - it will work. Foolish me for not realizing that the vaunted X Plane just randomly has planes that don't work. What a work of art this software truly is. And foolish me for buying an airplane with absolutely zero disclaimer from the company selling it that VR incompatibility is non existent. Regarding the cockpit interaction, using controllers isn't my style, so the mouse works great for me personally (and like crap in X Plane, at least in VR). Regarding the blurry screens in MSFS cockpit, I've never experienced that unless I was running upscaling.
@@danmoretti8898 That's not a problem of the sim. That's when third party developers don't pay attention to VR compatibility. Some of them do, some don't.
For Example: when i'm in a Toliss Airbus in VR I can use the thumbstick of my controller to move to every seat in the whole plane. Please show me how to do that in MSFS. Didn't found it.
@@minitobo928 About the controller thing, you're absolutely correct - X Plane has way better implementation of VR controllers than MSFS (which as I said I prefer mouse anyway, but to each their own). The reality is I've just had very bad luck so far, and there are issues I'm having in X Plane that I never imagined in MSFS. Personally, I'm just not having good luck so far, and I'm obviously butthurt about it. That said, when it works, X Plane is really incredible - this of course makes it all the more annoying when I get constant crashes to desktop. Sorry for being rude earlier.
My personal comparative pros and cons:
Xplane:
+ super easy user interface
+ Easy and logical filesystem for mods
+ Rapid load times by comparison
+ Superior ground physics
+ Great default airports
+ Can assign control profiles to planes
+ Easy to interface custom hardware without paying for 3rd party softwate interfacers (e.g. honeycomb manager)
+ More access to high quality freeware. Great community website with no silly download countdown.
+ Can change plane and airlort ehilst in flight session
+Austin always listens
+ Great Replay system
- dark cockpits look terrible
- performance/graphics ratio is very poor
- clouds look awful
- lots of graphical bugs with particles and aliasing
Msfs:
+ Looks real
+Respectable performance/graphics ratio.
+ More and more high quality aircraft becoming available.
+Navdata is free and up to date
- terrible UI
- terrible file system
- appalling loadtimes
- always a forced update that ruins something
- ground physics for airliners really unrealistic
- childish atc which has to be disabled meaning you can't use it just for aural ATIS.
- Can barely use nice hardware without spending lots of money and time getting it working
- default airports are really poor.
- developer ignoring suggestions from experienced simmers since alpha
-worst view system
Tl;dr xplane is just so easy to use
Thanks for your insight, I appreciate it!
Don't forget plane maker , you change change so many aircraft specifics
Pretty accurate. If only XP12 and MSFS got married, lol. That's why BOTH sims are great for different reasons, but there's no clear winner. I get sick of taxiing to cookie cutter gingerbread house default airport terminals in MSFS, and the trainset look of the visuals from XP aren't as immersive as MSFS.
Am I the only one who thinks the lighting in XP12 is a lot better than MSFS? MSFS doesn't look real at all.
@@mylesmcl yea I prefer xplane 12 lighting
I own both, I switch between the two bc sometimes MSFS has something Xplane doesn't have and vice versa. If I had to choose I would chose XP because it feels much better to fly.
Because X-Plane is an REAL Flight Sim ! NOT an eyecandy GAME, for teenagers !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 I use both. If you wade thru the silly stuff, the Longitude with WT advanced coupled vnav G5000 is pretty awesome for VATSIM. RW pilot here. XP way behind with G1000. XP Needs new glass for us "Study Level" simmers. Aerobask has Falcon 8 with Honeywell glass out soon. We'll see.
Thanks, it's just what I've been looking for for a long time, a thorough test of X-Plane 12 without any addons, with only the base scenario ... thanks again !!!
A bit unfair to XP in some respects, but there you go. However, I would much rather set up flight plans, alter routes, etc. in XP than MSFS. The operation of the Garmins (530,430 and G1000) is so much easier in X-Plane - particularly as you can pop them out as complete instruments with all their controls. You can be looking anywhere in the main view, but your resizable 530 stays where you want it, and altering stuff on that is a breeze. Big buttons, big curlies on the knobs - same with transponders, autopilots and so on. So, you can still be looking in your usual cockpit view, but can easily access your avionics without having to zoom in on them. That and the simple camera system, allied with a much more accessible menu system (which you did mention) make flying great. Flying IFR (even GA at 3000' upwards) and coming in to a decent airport is fine in X-Plane. The scenery is less important, particularly if it's cloudy. With some ortho and other additions, XP looks OK. However, it does not compare with MSFS in that respect, and Laminar can't match it. I (and I am a pilot) prefer X-Plane's physics, but the differences between the sims get even less when you are flying an airliner on autopilot - which seems to occupy a lot of RUclips time :-) I spend very little time in MSFS, so if I'm wrong, let me know!
If you tell me I am unfair to X-Plane a little, it means I have done a good job as I am biased towards X-Plane. The channel was founded mainly on X-Plane tutorials. Thank you for sharing your experience and insights. Greatly appreciated.
@@Q8Pilot Yes, I've been watching you since you started! In MSFS, it's difficult to adjust the avionics when hand flying - both in IFR and VFR - got to look at the AI or the real horizon, not bury yourself into zoomed in avionics. Yes, you can adjust them from the cockpit view, but they then look pretty small, and it's very fiddly. With an autopilot on, it's better, but RW it would be very distracting from ensuring everything is working, and you are still being kept the right way up:-) Fortunately, plenty of room for both sims.
I'm stay with X-Plane in Hype of FS2020, while XP12 in progress, i attempt to create High Quality Ortho and Custom Autogen and i Enjoy it. I love how Flight Model that Laminar has done, is not perfect but it's better.
Thanks for watching and sharing this insight.
MSFS is just an children GAME ! NOT an FLIGHT SIMULATOR !!!
Thanks for the great stream again Q8. I have both X-Plane 12 and MSFS, and as Q8 said, choosing which one depends on what you what to get from a flight sim. I always go with XP12 because I wanted the flying experience, learning how the plane handles in various wind conditions, how to navigate, how the avionics - I expect the world graphics should be reasonably accurate. So XP12 met my expectations and more, and I tend to agree with Austin's stated vision of focusing on the flying rather than the graphics. Still, Laminar needs to upgrade their graphics and world representation in the longer term.
MSFS really is beautiful and I enjoy flying it now and then. But as Q8 pointed out the menu system is clunky and setting up my VKB stick and throttle is really frustrating. So much so that I like watching MSFS streams more than actually flying in it. I've invested quite a bit in XP12, so have to make most it ;-) My only gripe is that getting good quality aircraft and addons is getting pretty expensive (this applies to DCS as well) !
So, never really thought in terms of which sim is 'better'. It's kinda like playing FPS, you can either go on a rampage in Call of Duty or Battlefield, or join a team in Squad for a strategic, cautious, 'realistic' approach.
Thank you for your support and for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks Q8! Another quality video. I agree with pretty much everything. I am RW pilot. "Study Level" user of XP since 2000. MFS since 2020. Rather than be redundant, I will mention a few extras:
The install process:
MFS is cumbersome, painful, takes forever, even on fast fiber, unreliable, has annoying mandatory updates even if you have customer waiting, SOL. MFS places files everywhere which makes the uninstall process even worse. Obligatory registration to MS Store, XBOX, and Ecosystem. Windows only. Fast net required, pretty much all the time if you want the awesome scenery or you will get "Connection Lost" error. Aircraft updates that you buy from marketplace take MFS approval and really slows update process.
XP is clean and neat. Everything goes in 1 folder which can be moved/copied anywhere. No uninstall necessary, just delete the folder. Mac, Linux, Windows. No forced joining the "Club". Can be run from CD. No net required, except for authentication if not on CD.
That being said I am using MFS more often due to G5000 advanced coupled VNAV and Longitude. LR needs G5000 yesterday. Touch controllers and Glass is the future.
The XP linear, over reflective, sky blue rain puddles look unrealistic and silly. Subjective call here.
Well said, thank you for sharing your thoughts with the community, and I fully agree.
xplane 11/12 feel more professional, msfs just feels like a game 4 now. love both but i use xplane 11/12 more👌👍
in what way does it feel more professional?
@@PilotUnknownX Good question! One thing that is crucial on my side, is when I create a flight plan VFR or IFR in RL, I must pay attention a lot about the weather conditions which is one of the cornerstone in Aviation and that could be very challenging sometimes especially in GA. Therefore if there are some CB or TS on my path then I will have to avoid them for the sake of safety... In msfs (that I do like, no worries lol) it definitely don't simulate this important matter, no matter what are METAR/TAF you can still fly a C152 in CB or thunderstorm like in arcade game and you won't encounter any sort of danger as up/downdraft that could go to 5000/10000 ft/min, convectives, severe and unsafe icing conditions, that is lethal in RL and in Xplane! It could be very instructive to learn about the weather and its dangers, learning is fun as well! ...
In msfs it's more about playing, enjoying which is cool and relaxing for sure but you don't need to care about safety based on real data weather, the clouds are just cosmetic (arcade) yeap it's beautiful no doubt but it doesn't give any picture for simmers about how it goes in the real skies which imposes some humility in front of Mother Nature!!! ...
That is a major difference in terms of realism and in other terms of "professionalism" between both of the Flight Sim...
Also the sensation of flying is closer in XP to real life (imo based on my own experiences, that's subjective, I guess inertia forces got a better deal in XP than msfs, it's an other topic that demands to dig a little bit more on that subject) ... However msfs is very enjoyable but a way too friendly so far in terms of realism. Wait & See for further SU! ;-)
Both Sims have their strong and weak points and both are enjoyable.
No it doesn’t. Your one of those that have been brainwashed by “real pilots” saying xplanes flight model is substantially better
@@animatedchristmascollector3754 I think his comment was more related to the fact that MSFS is more „gamey“ in the sense of races, landing-competition giving you points, being able to set up flightplans automatically without knowledge on how it works. And having a multplayer-mode where users like to fly into each others. And also setting an arcade-flightcontrol etc.
XP on the other side is used to model planes before they fly in real and have been used by professionals. Not talking about the possibility of getting a FAA-certification with the licenced hardware. And the flight-model is more realistic in general as statet by many real-pilots. Denying it again and again doesn‘t make it more true. For example MSFS lacks inertia big time. Not XP.
Old thread I know, but after 2.5 years with MSFS, I decided to go back to XPlane the other day. I fired up XP10 over the Thanksgiving weekend and decided to switch to XP12 only to find out that most of the $$$stuff from 10 doesn't work in 12. I'm going to miss my JRollon CRJ200. Even with the superior visuals and owning about $1000 in airports and another $500 in airplanes for MSFS, I just missed the feeling of flight that XP delivers (Yes, I do fly real GA). I will say the new Zibo 737 gives PMDG a run for their money despite being free.
I'm thinking back to XP10 when the "Plausible" approach first made me cringe. It was never that plausible and had zero resemblance to reality. I do not understand how Austin literally missed the bus with streaming orthos and photogrammetry. Even with AutoOrtho (Which took hours to get working and too low res), the current scenery leaves much to be desired in VFR. I hope he reconsiders and gets it together. Why not strike a deal with Google Earth to compete with MSFS and Bing?
Think a great review and it's very true that certain people will like certain Sims I adore xplane 12 and flightsim but go more for 12 as that's what I like more
Thank you for sharing your experience. I enjoy both really but XPlane is more fulfilling when it comes to take off and landing.
@@Q8Pilot got to say I love your streams very in-depth and always very honest
I’m using both but I prefer flight model and realism instead graphics, but I enjoy both sims
X-Plane 12 blows MSFS 2020 away. MSFS is over bloated, slow, too convoluted and way too difficult to make simple changes in flight. Making any kind of change is a royal PITA. X-Plane just simply works. Almost any change while flying can be made with a keypress.
If I had to choose 1 I would probably choose XP12. If I had my dream, I would say XP12 with MSFS graphics. Having said all that, MSFS is more or less my main SIM.
No matter what having both is great, but there is just something about X-Plane, it can look awful at times regarding scenery if you don't use ortho, but the flying, the feeling, the weight you feel when landing or think you feel, the physics like the condensation coming off the wings naturally, not coded as an effect.
I know the flying is so nice
Well said.
There are few things people tend to forget :
1. The sim age
Xplane has been aroung for many years, comparing the 2 is unfair. If we were to compare, then MSFS is the winner because, it's been released "recently" so to speak and in many points is up to Xplane which has been there for a very long time.
2. The human feeling of "loyalty".
Simmers have been using Xplane before MSFS, they got to love it, they built a bond with it, for many, Flight Sim started with Xplane; Xplane made them flight simmers. And there is MSFS coming...as humans, we rarely love 2 things at the same level, and rarely forget the first love. I don't see how those who started long ago can "spit" on XPlane and "betray" it. No matter how good the new MSFS will be, they will always find a good defense for their beloved Xplane and it's normal, it's human.
We should just stop comparing them but rather, take full advantage of the 2. Excellent developpers like PMDG and Fenix are doing an amazing job on MSFS, like Toliss on Xplane. Let's just enjoy the best time ever for Flight Simulation!
Comparing the 2 becomes now boring frankly! Pros and cons are there for both but it's the case in every aspect of life: they should just be a matter of preference not facts, not necessarly making one sim better than the other.
@@jeluna You are right, but what I am sick to death of is these people watching say V1 Simulations fly the Toliss and constantly asking is it better than the Fenix, or almost begging him to say MSFS is better. There are clear wins for both, but this constant need to hear MSFS is better is just getting on my nerves.
You can not compare planes across Sims without taking into account the sim. Its pointless. But it is just constantly the same question from people who dont even know how to fly the plane anyway in the sim, as long as they here MSFS/FENIX is better they are happy!
It is just so childish. The same as when they keep comparing things to the FBW NEO, like yes Point to point flying the FBW and FENIX are really good, Also the Fenix and the FBW only have one engine type at the moment, but as long as they here it is better they are happy. I hate what the community has become.
I disagree on Sim age however. What MS/ASOBO released originally was abysmal, they have all that money and talent and I am sorry the original release was awful! Did they not look at the competition? Also if it was not for people like me in the forums the 1000's of us saying sort it out I highly doubt it would of come on so far. There is no excuse for releasing what they originally released in the state it was in, no excuse they were the last they should of had it together and they did not.
However 12 Sim Updates later and almost 3 years and it is now amazing. But the start was bad really bad.
@@delg551 I fully agree about all these (toxic) folks having the need to convince themselves that MSFS is soooo much superior. I cannot hear that anymore. And i do own MSFS as well. As Q8 pointed out both have pros and cons. For my needs i prefer XP12 but would have choosen MSFS over XP11. I am very happy with XP12 so far 🙏
XP12 Pros: 1-Swaying trees with seasonal color leaves 2- User interface (less clicks) 3- Special starts to practice approaches w/o reloading 4- Scenery Gateway (default airport level of detail blows away MSFS) 5- Zibo mod (FREEware). 6- Runway textures MSFS Pros: 1-Clouds 2- Default Ortho ***In sim artificial ATC has, does, and always will stink*** That's why we have VATSIM which is: more immersive, uses live people, and doesn't have the glitches flying you into a mountain. PS> Q8, there is an ad running on this video "How to grow your tool 3, 5, or up to 8 inches." Maybe there is a way to block those?
X world too , landmarks look absolutely fantastic , ie monuments in rome , vatican city , America statue of liberty looks incredible others too
You didn’t mention the avionics. Avionics is a huge part of the difference between the two also. But great stream though.
I missed that for sure. Perhaps once the Sims are updated I will do another video.
Virtual airline ops I use XP12, for turbo props and piston aircraft I use MSFS.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have both and run a motion rig with VR. The physics of X-plane come even more to life in such a setup so I keep hoping for better, more lifelike scenery. As it is now, I am most happy with DCS as it has both physics and great graphics…
"DCS" ..... LMFAO !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 yes, DCS. In VR with foveated rendering, Varjo Aero, 7950x3d and 4090 GPU….enjoy Your laugh.
Great comparison, I'm all Xplane, works flawlessly for me.
Thanks for watching!
Of course you do ! MSFS is just an children GAME ! NOT an FLIGHT SIMULATOR !!!
Every 6 months I reinstall MSFS and spend the first 20 minutes being absolutely in awe of the graphics at whichever airport I spawn into. Then I take off, remain absolutely gobsmacked by the graphics, and tell myself the flight model isn't great but I'll just learn to deal with it, that the graphics are just that good. Then I come in to land and the plane is jerking all over the place (as if there's no fluidity in the atmosphere), I can't hold my RMB and look around simultaneously, and the plane floats for an absolute eternity before finally coming down to rest with a lifeless thus onto the runway, and it's really those last 20-30 seconds that have me instantly re-deleting MSFS and crawling back to XP12's horrible framerates and comparatively horrible graphics. X-Plane's flight model is as superior to MSFS's as MSFS's graphics are to XP's. And in a flightsim, I'll take the better flight model every time when the gap is that large. I should also add that XP12's sounds are also an order of magnitude better, and I like being in full control of my sim updates. Nevertheless, I'm glad we have both of them and that the hobby is thriving.
Might have to go back to MSFS. X-Plane is a terrific sim. It really puts you through the paces of setting up flights. Very realistic... then it crashes. The worst part about X-Plane is you can't save flights. You go through all the procedures to set up a flight, which sometimes can take hours. Then... it crashes, and you have to start all over again - from scratch. In MSFS, saving is/ or was like hitting the PAUSE button. Exiting. Come back, and pick up where you left off. X-Plane is looking more and more like junk.
Please clarify. I have many saved flights in xplane.
@@jeremyimes6734 Well, you "Save" a flight, shut the sim down. Pick it up later and you wind up at some airport you were near to when you shut the gave, landed and all out of kilter. With MS, it's more like you just hit the "PAUSE" button. When you restart the game, and choose a saved game, It's like you never left. More or less, because you may have to make a few adjustments but nothing major.
In my opinion, who flies VFR (like me) will prefer MFS. I have X Plane 11, but for me is more pleasant do small routes in VFR on MFS.
msfs has poor ground friction/physics simulation i dont know if they are aware of that and if they are planning to do something about it
This topic came up in the last dev stream. They said they've added parameters that devs can use to get better ground handling. But they did say it is something that they plan to redo long term.
Oh that is definitely true! A way better in Xplane, no doubt, hopefully the msfs devs will care about it! ;-)
Hopefully we see improved ground physics in the future. Thanks for watching!
The ground handling isn’t enough to decision on using sims. The flight physics count and msfs physics are fine
I fly in MSFS and I’m unfamiliar with XP12, but from what i’ve seen in video’s on you channel, the scenery light looks more realistic in XP12. Less “game like” and oversaturated and better atmospheric perspective.
Thanks for your videos, I am new in flight simulation and I am learning a lot from them. Also your voice is relaxing and transmit passion for this topic, so really enjoying. Take care and keep the good work!
Both user of XP11 and MSFS. Love both but I'm more and more on MSFS because of high quality add-ons which come more often. XP has 20 years of experience but, MFSF is growing fast and become better quickly.
I wonder why XP devs didn't choose to host a data base of orthophotos of high-quality to download for the earth, considering they don't have the tech MFSF has. It would be far easier and more friendly for the people with high graphic expectations. But of course the problem of memory space will remain.
Thanks for the vids!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I have both and funny but true MSFS i used it only a couple of days and I went back to Xplane. I have been using MSFS since 1988 but I agree to many of the comments I read below. The Flying dynamics are just superior in Xplane
One thing I hate about MSFS is the updates. I'm not on every day or even every week. Seems like every time I want to sit down and fly I have to wait for a huge update to load. However, I love the ATC. If you are going to do some touch and goes, you get the nice prompt for clear to land etc.
Hey! Again, great video. You talk a lot about ground physics - I'm impressed with both sims's handling of aggressive braking during taxi - you can see the plane rock forward, then back when it stops. Request: With aerodynamic modeling being so important for real training, I would love to see / hear your thoughts on how both sims handle steep turns, cross-wind landings, forward slips, etc. Thanks again!
In xp11 bind "hold brakes regular" not max
Considering that XP on mobile has massive multilayer online I am quite surprised they haven't implemented it for desktop especially since that would mean a steady subscription income.
Loading a flight plan from MFS main menu is silly. At least now Navigraph Simbrief flight plans can be directly imported in the box without going to main menu.
XP 12 is installed on my SSD but I don't use it. I've tried many times to get use to it but after 10 minutes in the sim looking around I quit it.
I even tried to do a flight with the Zibo and although it's a very good aircraft to fly, I can't get use to the visuals.
It's like I go back to the Stonehenge using XP 12.
X-Plane 12 simply does not meet my standards for a flight simulator.
You can add Auto ortho for free to xp and it download scenery as you fly just like in msfs and it looks really good. I have both sims but i like the handling in xp more. Msfs still has that old look up table feeling. But 95% of the time i use DCS cause just fly from a to b gets boring in the long run. What i like to do in xp is make my own aircraft and fly them, more rewarding. Making a Super Chipmunk atm.
Laminate research really needs to fix there night lighting low fps problems
Yes, that's an issue that was fixed and surfaced back after the recent updates. I hope they do fix it.
your right when you said in your last stream... the landings in the 737 feels off..hence why it isnt boeing certified whereas the737 is certified in p3d
Thanks for watching. I am tempted to install P3D =)
@@Q8Pilot I did re install :)
Perhaps you should also include that MSFS 2020 is gargantuan and for people who PAY for data that is a problem when the game actually deletes itself like it did in my case
Great objective video. You must have a config error on your rudders for MSFS. Differential brakes working fine for me. Left & right toe brakes must be configured to an axis. Button is either on or off.
Thanks Mark. I think Jay Rudder toe breaks do not work in MSFS. This was true on my previous PC as well. But I will take a loom again for sure. Thank you for stopping by, the tip, and all the great content you have been creating.
Like both platforms, the are both great and use both. But like more the scientific approach of X-plane 12, it is more about physics. Take for example this little detail about the rain passing in the windshield and reacting to wind... and you can apply the same where there's physics (or trying to perform like in the real world). About the visuals, this is a little subjective but i find the x-plane more natural. For msfs, i like more the visuals, but i can also make x-plane close to that, applying x-world, autoortho and other things...
In MSFS if you select a runway and set it as arrival you can do approaches.
Same in x-plane
Thank you for the detailed video! Thinking of giving X-Plane a try…
Well done as always. Wouldn't it be nice if X-plane could download Ortho4xp on the fly the way Microsoft does with Bing maps? That would be a tremendous improvement.
The engine on the JPLogistics C-152 will fail due to overspeed if you climb at full power unless you turn off the realistic mode. Ironically, this is not very realistic since in a real 152 or 172 this doesn't happen because the airspeed is low and the prop is loaded up in the climb. About 2300-2400 rpm is all you'll get climbing at full power.
I don't think Laminar believes in satellite imagery for the sim. But I agree it would be great.
@@Q8Pilot Austin has quite literally said in one of the recent livestreams that he wants to improve the scenery and specifically mentioned ortho. He has never to my knowledge said he doesn't "believe" in it, only that he wanted to focus on other things first
You might want to look at autoortho, which is a third party open source ortho streaming solution, until Laminar makes scenery improvements. It takes a bit to set up but allows you to stream in ortho textures so you don't need to keep a lot of ortho textures locally while still having a cache for areas that you just visited.
Let's be honest here. X-Plane has been obsolete since 2020. How can anyone have an immersive flight experience when the visuals are from 2005 or still single player like it's 1997.
Sorry, just being honest.
I respect your opinion of course while I disagree on the immersion part slightly but point well taken. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Not being honest, just an kid who loves EYECANDY, what has NOTHING to do with REAL FLIGHT SIMULATION !
Dumbass ! Go play your MSFS GAME !
excellent advice many thanks.
This is just what I needed - thanks for the objective comparison and please keep them coming. Question: How did you adjust time of day during flight? Curious.
Glad this was helpful. To adjust the time in X-Plane, you can use Shift + K or L. In MSFS, I use Pro Flow to change the time.
@@Q8Pilot Thanks! (I'm an X-Plane newbie)
Do you realize that you took off in the wrong direction when starting off in XP at the beginning of the vid? According to the windsock, you took off WITH the wind. You did it again in Kuwait. Lol. Just bustin your chops a bit...
I am a real world pilot, and can tell you incontrovertibly that XP's flight physics are MUCH more realistic than those in MSFS. I also have both sims, BUT I find I use them 90-10 in favor of XP12. MSFS is just too buggy and hard to get to work with high end graphics and processors. When it works, I like to fly low level VFR to see all the terrain. But when I truly want to fly, IT'S ONLY XP12!!! MSFS does look stunning in certain areas, but they are surprisingly similar in most other places. But XP's full package is just better in general. My BIGGEST GRIPES AGAINST XP11/12 however, are the BLURRY CLOUDS, geometrical taxi curves which are nowhere near smooth curves and how harshly it taxes your system resources. I have one of the most high end pc builds you can put together currently, and XP12 STILL ONLY runs at around 50 to 60 fps. Of course I have everything maxed out graphically, but still...
I do enjoy MSFS when I want to low-fly around a well done city, to see the sights. But as I mentioned, when it's all about flying, which is approximately 90% of the time, or just practicing for my real world flights, it's ALWAYS XP.
One more thing, you said that MSFS is very entertaining... It is because it was built for kids who are gamers, INSTEAD of being built for pilots. XP was built for pilots. That is a very distinctive, and best representative separation between the two. And you said, in the part of the vid where you were starting the MSFS part, that in MSFS, "you feel like you are flying in the real world." I think you should change this statement just a bit for it to be more accurate. I'd say, "It LOOKS like you're flying in the real world." That is a more accurate statement. But it "FEELS LIKE YOU'RE FLYING IN THE REAL WORLD" should be directed to XP12. As the feeling is how the aircraft behaves and interacts, which is much better in XP. But MSFS definitely "LOOKS" like you are in the real world. Sure. And the flight model difference in the air between the two sims, is just as stark in XP's favor as you noted on the ground, you just don't notice it as easily if you aren't a real world pilot.
Q8, I think you miss something in your summation. Sim, means simulator. Which means it is supposed to simulate the skill of whatever it is. In this case IT'S FLYING!!!! So a flight simulator should concentrate on FLYING, NOT graphics!!! The immersion is about FLYING, not the ground. So I think you have it completely backwards in your summation. There are tons of "GAMERS" in the flight sim world these days. But that is NOT who sims were made for, ever. They were made for people who want to practice the "REAL" skill of whatever the sim copies. Gamers are enamored with the graphics of the ground and such. Sure. But that is more for games than simulators. So despite who comes into the sim world, its purpose can NOT change just to accommodate them. Real world pilots are still the vital users of flight sims, NOT the gamers. And that's who the dev's should have in mind as they develop either sim. I completely disagree with your ending points of view. 1000%!
I agree with you ....Laminar needs to be more open to the community
Hey q8... loved the brakes on, ground physics example in XP.
Thanks for watching my friend!
How do they compare in VR? I’ve only tried XPlane 11 and I just love how I can click switches and turn knobs with the hand controllers (Reverb G2). Is XPlane 12 similar, and is MSFS any better or you have to use the mouse to interact with the cockpit?
X-Plane 11 VR is much better than MSFS, but X-Plane 12 VR performance needs optimization.
The Marketplace concept is nice but really slows down the 3rd party dev Aircraft update process.
Totally agree, hopefully this would be improved in FS2024.
I like what they said about FS 2020 when it was released that you can find your house. What a joke that is I flew the helicopter to my old houses where I grew up in California and it was awful at street level, I had what looked like a big, huge tree sticking out of the road and the house looked somewhat like the houses, but the roads were awful with big bumps in the road. And the high school had a mountain in the middle of it. The release was way to early and full of lies. And one more thing the updates are way to many 400 plus so far and the sim is still not fixed. and the DLCs cost too much we should not pay for airports to look good.
I’ve been a pilot for 30 years. I’ve been swimming for 30 years. My struggle has always been on the computer setup and sim settings. I am changing my preference to Xplane 12. What are the chances that you’d be willing to help me a bit through the process of making sure I’m making decent choices for my pc build and then making the best settings choices for Xplane? I am really at the point where I need to start truly enjoying the simming experience and my lack of computer experience is holding me back. Thanks in advance of you’re willing. Great video!!
I will be more than happy to help you. What is your budget?
MSFS is quick to load on my laptops SSD....so I dont know what you are talking about.....
For about 99% of MSFS users, it takes more than 5 minutes to get to the main menu.
I'm only in X Plane 9 cause my Mac won't handle anything higher. Have a view question, my cockpit is super zoomed in and I can't zoom out or rotate view with mouse or arrow keys. How do I do that? Trying to get the view that you have in this video.
From the Graphics Settings, change the FOV value to 70-80.
Both sims are great, no doubt. My main sim now though is still XP11. It's just more suitable for my needs, and it performs way better in VR than MSFS. Applying control profiles to aicraft addons is a huge plus for me, I hate MSFS controls UI with passion, without the ability to assign profiles. MSFS also doesn't have roll turbulence modelled at all, only shakes the plane on yaw axis, which looks dreadful, especially in VR. Flight model and general physics are pretty close, but XP11/12 still wins as it feels more natural, while MSFS feels kinda artificial. It's hard to explain, but that is how I feel it. I also don't fiddle anymore with sceneries in XP11/12, as I use Autoortho, whci does work the same as scenery in MSFS, although I downloaded SimHeaven autogen for it, as it's much better than XP11/12 default. Also a HUUUUUGE plus for me in XP11/12 is the airports, as all are hand made. God bless scenery gateway system. I don't have a single addon airport installed in XP, while in MSFS I simply must go chase addon airports and finally purchase some. Big issue on my end. But Asobo is already testing MSFS scenery gateway system, so it's just a matter of time when MSFS will have hundreds of hand crafter airports in a default sim.
Also, ActiveSky support for XP12 is another nail in the MSFS coffin from my view. I don't fancy real time weather in MSFS usually, so yep, big fan of ActiveSky, much realistic turbulence, visibility, and of course my fav feature - historic weather.
As always, it all depends on your matter of preference, what sim you will choose. I fly in both sims, but for serious flying XP11 is ready, while MSFS just still isn't there (few reasons for that statement).
BTWE my MSFS boots pretty fast, although I'm using Steam version. be sure to use -fastlaunch parameter for the exe.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Based on what I saw here I wouldn't devote all the computer resources and investment in learning to even tryout MSFS. The difference in graphics doesn't seem all that better to me compared to my X-Plane set up (orthos and custom airports/meshes). I didn't like the look of the interface either. X-Plane physics and the consistency of the experience have kept me around since the 90's. I have developed lots of my own aircraft/rotorcraft and the science of flight is well served by the XP tool set. Granted the ATC and multiplayer are pretty much worthless and lots of the default aircraft/scenery are rather plain. The best that X-Plane has to offer is pretty good if you're willing to spend the time, effort, and money to access the premium experience. I would have liked to have seen some views of some arid desert scenery from high altitudes in the comparison (something that X-Plane is particularly disappointing in).
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective.
Asobo probably watched this and youll see a patch next update❤😅
=)
MSFS for the win
No sim wins or loses. Each sim has its good, bad and ugly points. The flight sim community wins with 2 great flight simulators.
No. Just visuals doesn’t make up a simulator
They didn't approve ATC?
I've been using MSFS forever. I started with MSFS 2000 and have bought every one since then. They all worked pretty much flawlessly. Now, after 4 years, msfs2020 is still a broken product. Mainly the disconnection of controls during a flight. Sometimes using the brakes during taxi the game will say You Crashed. Instead of fixing these and other issues with the game, asobo just keeps adding stupid 'game' features, such as dune (no doubt for the xbox crowd). They killed the Google Maps mod, which was a fantastic add on. Much more realistic looking than the default bing maps. And I can't leave out the silly twirling airplanes, vehicles, etc that appear at airports. MSFS2020 actually worked well it's first year or so. But has only gotten worse since and fixing things is not a priority to the devs. Currently, I doubt I'll buy msfs2024. I will however buy X-Plane 12.
I bought X-Plane. Still trying to figure when it will do as it's supposed to. I'm a simmer, not a real world pilot. I get that the aim is to make you a better pilot. I don't want to fly in the real world. I want to enjoy my planes in the SIM. When the whole hoopla started I said they're going to forget about us. The ones who brought flight simulation kicking and screaming to the present and they did. I'm 58 years old and I have simmed from the start. Now everything is screaming Top Gun and Star Trex. Yes everything about money nowadays but what about us who invested our time and money to building the interest.
Poor performance in XP 12 for 3 monitor training systems. Vulcan will never compete with DirectX DLSS TAA etc. Mac Metal is better.
HOw did you get that WHEEL MENU???
That's Flow Pro by Parallel 42. You can download it free from ORBX website.
in xp12 im ok it but . i wait p3d v6 mylove.. im have p3d xp11-12 msfs02020 . number1 p3d but im not play becuase add on long time install so much.
I really enjoy x-plane for reality😀
Thanks!
Thank you so much for your kind support and generous donation. I appreciate it!
Man, you sound so similar to actor/comedian Patton Oswalt lol.
It's A.I text to speech
Great stream thank you
Thank you Omar, appreciate your support my friend!
I am sorry if I am being annoying because I comment on every live
@Omar flight This is what keeps me going so keep them coming =)
OK thank you 😊
Before the 9/11 attack, you could crash the planes in MSFS, but after Microsoft learned that the terrorists used it for training, they disabled the crash physics and animations. So I think it is a choice by Microsoft to not include it.
That sounds like a strange explanation…they still can train to fly a plane into a building. The (fake and highly unrealistic) explosion doesn‘t change anything in how they can learn to steer a plane…🤔
@@goldgamer8446 Tried to include a couple of links, but it is not showing up here. I don't know it personally, but it was a lot of talk after the attacks. Here are quotes from the links:
"Microsoft Flight Simulator removed all the aircraft crash animation after 9-11 terrorist attack from all it's future editions."
"Microsoft Flight Simulator is one video game franchise that was forever changed following 9/11. Quite unsurprisingly, Microsoft removed the World Trade Center from the series starting with the 2002 edition. But more significantly, all sorts of crash damage and plane collision animations were removed from future installments into the series."
@@wulff-production5644 Thanks. Yeah I‘ve heard about them having removed the WTC from the scenery after 09/11. But it still a bit a controversal decision I think. They didn‘t remove the Pentagon for example. And removing the explosions was probably (i guess) only out of respect for the victims. I just think that technically it doesn‘t change anything in my opinion.
@@goldgamer8446 Yes, the topic was that they (allegedly) used the sim to practice, so to distance themselves this was what MS did out of fear, and probably not thought through. It was an outcry in some countries demanding that MSFS should be banned. I guess if you actually crashed a plane into a building, you wouldn't see any explosions anyway:-)
@@wulff-production5644 Yeah you are right. It makes sense to distance themselves because of the pressure. I think I remember now. Thanks 👍
Starting around 42:20 when you mentioned Microsoft's "twitch channel", referring specifically to the "developer update", it's nice to have that in MSFS as well as the "Wish List", but whether or not Asobo delivers on such items is still questionable. Overall, I prefer quality over quantity, Asobo have delivered quantity in their flight simulator, whereas Laminar Research have done a great job with quality in their X-Plane 12.
I❤ commented once that austin probably bought mfs2020 to see all the hype and he answered absolutely not. How can you compete without seeing how the competition is working?? L❤😅
These two are not even close. I don't like I don't like. then don't use MFS2. Its better.. if we like flying then we have both
I have to mute the MSFS music. It drives me nuts.
It is annoying yes.
Sorry but MSFS is CRAZY better than XP12.....facts
If that's what you think, that's fine.
*****BREAK BREAK*****
Don't buy X-plane12 !! It's uses Vulcan, which is not available on the most GPU's. (GeForce GTX does'nt support vulcan for example)
Without Vulcan. X-Plane-12 is useless as an airplane without wings.
Fake news.
Le problème here is the GPU GTX 900 séries, not Vulcan or Laminar, at some moments we must upgrade thé hardware
Lmfao. I ran it on my 980ti just fine before I upgraded
Only CHILDREN buy an GAME like MSFS ! Real FLIGHTSIMMERS use X-Plane !
Nope! Works fine, just slower.
X-plane 12 no real snow what a crap software, don't waste your money on them......... Give your money MicroSoft FANBOYS
xplane ftw
I would choose xplane for the physics, realism, IFR, and the mod community,
however, hard to ignore the maps and graphics of msfs.
Can you turn off the shadows on the cockpit instruments, in X Plane
I like to see clear dials all the time & they get pretty dark sometimes with shadows
Set the shadow slider to the left. It will turn off the shadows.
PRO X PLANE DOES NOT STUTTER LIKE MSFS
X- plane sucks. Always did. 30 years sucking
From an dumbass who knows NOTHING about FLIGHT SIMS ! Just an kid who loves an eyecandy GAME like MSFS !
*Nuff said.*