The very definition of "riding on Daddy's coattails." Or maybe they're just too overshadowed by their fathers success to ever be taken seriously enough.
I've lightened up on Vince Russo for one reason. I have a Star Trek group on Facebook, and I was doing this "what if Vince Russo wrote Star Trek" thing, where Russo wrote the worst episodes of Star Trek. Russo became a meme in the group, and a few months ago someone got a Cameo from him for the entire group. I can't hate him after that. Also his Cameo was actually really good.
@Jabroni Destroyer we lost the original link because the original group got Zucced, but I did manage to save it. Group is private though, so you'd have to join to see it. m.facebook.com/groups/286541399637480/permalink/286715949620025/
@@garagon31 Or recognize that he's the guy who wrote the most watched segments/episode of WWF and could still pull bigger numbers at the fall of WCW/most of TNA than any current wrestling federation can. But it's easier to run with the narratives created by marks occupying business than take the facts at face value.
My thoughts on Vince Russo is though he had many bad ideas, he was always trying something new and end of the day he had people talking and made things unpredictable, which is one of the big problems with wrestling today
@@vegetalover9297 it’s funny that after doing the VKM gimmick and constantly trying to bury WWE, both him and billy Gunn went back with the tails between their legs lol
I always thought Road Dogg was just trying to relive his New Age Outlaw days by being a "disgruntled rebel" type and using insider terms during his time in TNA.
Yeah, he was on drugs & ended up on suspension before being fired. I found out some years later that he showed up to the last Monday Nitro only to find out WCW has been sold to WWE. So that may as well added fuel to his fire in having to search harder for a job
@@philipjohnson9913 oh wow I didn’t know about him showing up to WCW. I knew about being on pills but not being at the last nitro. That would have been cool to see him on there even if it was just for one night
Russo was only good when McMahon was there to control him. His call on gimmicking Owen Hart’s harness release led to Owen’s death. The fact that Russo never caught a manslaughter charge is crazy.
"The whole idea just started so innocently. We had brought back Owen’s old gimmick, The Blue Blazer. He was meant to be like a superhero, but a spoof on a superhero - to really get over the comedic genius of Owen Hart. It was probably the Friday before the show. The show’s already written - I get a call from Steve Taylor [WWF’s V.P of Operations]. He goes, ‘Look, I just got a call from the people who rappelled Sting from the rafters [in rival WCW]. They said they’re gonna be at our pay-per-view. They wanna know if there is anything they may be able to do for the WWE.’ So while he’s telling me this, I’m looking through the show, and I see Owen. And I’m saying, ‘Well, that’d really elevate Owen’s character, that’d be something really special and cool for Owen. What if we rappelled The Blue Blazer?’ -.... "So now during the day [of the pay-per-view], Owen Hart comes up to me, and what he said was, ‘I rehearsed rappelling from the ceiling, but when I rappel down, it takes me a while to get my harness off. If [Owen’s opponent] The Godfather is in the ring first, and then I rappel, and I gotta take this harness off, The Godfather could pummel me…’ See, everyone [at that time] was thinking, ‘Real, real, real, reality,’ so he said, ‘Could my entrance come first, THEN have The Godfather come out?’ I said, ‘Owen, no problem - I’ll make the changes, no problem…’ And that was it. That was the extent of our conversation." - Vince Russo
I've honestly heard so many conflicting stories on this that I genuinely don't know what to think. I've heard several people both in WWF at the time and some who weren't in the WWF but we're close to Owen say it was Owen's idea because Godfather was coming out first and the harness took so long to get off it would get awkward if Godfather didn't jump him. I've heard others say it was Vince Russo's idea so he could quickly unhook then do a prat fall. I can see both, they weren't treating Owen seriously at all at the time so having him fall flat on his face for shits and giggles seems right up WWF's ally. On the other hand, I've heard some insiders talk about the blue blazer being a stopgap gimmick that was only gonna last another month before Owen would drop it and cut a work/shoot promo about how he was being constantly mistreated and since he been in the company he was in his brother's shadow. This would've led to a huge push. This also makes sense given how much they like mixing real life into the story at the time and I can see Owen getting a big push because he had alot of people who liked him booking at the time plus he was very well liked backstage, more than even Bret, and thus it is unlikely he would've been victim to backstage politics.
WWE are ultimately responsible for Owen's death. Why do you think they paid the Hart family a whooping $18 million in compensation after he died in an out-of-court settlement? They knew they were totally in the wrong and had no choice but to pay up. McMahon bares far more responsibility than Russo, especially for the unthinkable call to continue the Over the Edge PPV after Owen's death. It really should have been the end of the WWF full stop.
I think Vince Russo was fine as long as he had someone around to tell that “Wow, that’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard in my life!” It was when he had full creative control that he was at his worst, and his work in TNA and WCW demonstrated that. Besides, Jim Cornette can’t stand him, and anything that pisses Cornette off brings a smile to my face.
@@Markyd123 Thanks, and you probably already know but there's an interview where Roddy explains what really happened that night. There's a Russo interview too where he explains. Thanks for you great vids, I used to rent these weekly ppvs of early TNA and they really felt special for better or worse.
They will never make another Attitude Era times changed and to make wrestling great again it's needed to let talent be them selfs. Only the ones with charisma and athletics will get over.
I'm not a fan of Russo's but this is false. WCW was sold to WWE because AOL TimeWarner didn't want wrestling on the channels they had taken from Turner, not because of anything that happened inside WCW itself or in kayfabe. As for the other, TNA still exists to this day...
I think the big problem with this guy was the self insert storyline, it's just like you put a teen fan to write a story of his favorite franchise, he probably will make a fan fic with him as the protagonist
That first Russo, promo; always a good strategy to bury your own product. That’s Ole the kiss of death. Might take a year, might take 20, but it’s pretty much over.
"Tony Schiavone showed up dressed like a cokehead and complained he hasn't had a wrestling job in 2 years. Probably that coke problem" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 actually LOLed Also, Mike Sanders's head is oddly shaped and I can't stop looking at it
@@luckyjosh7 well yes since this is from 17 years ago most of these guys are retired and the only ones who can still compete but left tna was because of bischoff’s decision to take tna on the road, and crippled it financially and they can’t offer anyone an actual contract, this storyline, as weird as it is, still is miles and miles better than anything wwe/aew/impact or whatever modern company can make, and that shows how much political correctness killed wrestling entertainment
I still hate Vince Russo, after watching that Brawl for All Dark Side of the Ring recently, it showed me that guy is still a total jerk all these years later.
Russo and Cornette's opposite reactions to rewatching those matches on that episode will always be hilarious to me. Its a good thing they weren't in same room at the same time otherwise Russo'd probably get smacked down by Corny 😂🤣
"IT'S JOST WESTLING BRO" he put people in the hospital, retirement, because of his retarded ideas and owen hart died for the same reason, and all he has to say it's just wrestling, the worst kind of dumb, the dumb that has power
@Zach Lmao. I could already picture that scenario going down. The geist would be Russo saying how well the numbers were. Then Corny would just be unloading a trillion F-bombs and ask "You ruined Dr Death and possibly aggravated Hawk's substance abuse just because John Bradshaw effing Layfield didnt want to play ball with the boys?!!" Before Russo can say "I don't know why you're mad bro calm down" Cornette is just beating the breaks off of Russo. Once the camera crew pull Corny off, he just walks out and yells "This B.S. interview is over, THANK YOU, F YOU, BYE!!!" 😂😂
Russo is like that one boss everyone has had once where it was miserable to work for. But once in a while he does something awesome and then you're like maybe he is a great boss. All he needs is someone to tell him when some of this ideas are rubbish, and which are good.
Yeah, it felt like it went on for a lot longer than it actually did. The entire storyline/faction only lasted 6 months (from December 4th, 2002 to June 18th, 2003). On the June 18 2003 episode, Russo claimed to own the rights to the name, "Sports Entertainment Xtreme", and that he was taking it back. After that, as you could imagine, it was pretty much over.
So I know I’m late to the party, but I just found your channel a month to 6 weeks ago. Been binging since, your wit always cracks me up. Hope you keep making bomb ass content my dude. Slap the piss out of these punk ass marks brahhhh!!
Hahaha the start was epic, goes from Velvet Sky to Vince Russo loooool. I always respected what Russo tried to do in 2000 with WCW but, it was too little too late. He truly wanted to push new stars then, something WCW needed badly
Now this is a very clever joke that unless you are a true intellectual, will completely fly over your head. The reason this is so funny is because the initials of this faction spell out S E X, this is funny because this is an act that only adults do and most TNA fans during this time period were probably teenagers and either couldn't do it or didn't have anyone to do it with. Thank you for listening to me explaining the joke about of the faction name of Sports Entertainment Xtreme and why it is truly a pinnacle of comedy.
Imho I think Russo is good when he has someone like Vince to keep him in check, when he has unchecked power, he’s bad, though the first part can be false too because my favorite part of wwf (which is hilarious because Austin is my favorite and he was gone the majority of the year) was 2000 when Chris Kreski was in charge. Shove it man!
If Vince was a such a good filter, then how come it stopped working post-1999? Was it Russo wrote an angle with human sized hand as Mae Young's kid? Was it Russo who booked Kane to take off his mask and ruin all mystique? Was it Russo who booked Triple H to dress up as Kane to violate a mannequin? Shove your "Vinnie Mac was the filter" idea up your cu,nt.
Love him or hate him, Russo's writing was never boring. It was horiffically bad at times and pretty decent at some other times, but it was never really boring. And in my opinion, that's all wrestling really is today. It's just boring.
@Zach can't really blame him, he was doing a great job for a while until his two top guys got injured then he came back and had to split creative with Bischoff and a bunch of others
Russo is the only booker to actually make wrestling fun in the first place. WWE did decent at times years after Russo left. But that shit flew so far off after all the stuff Russo helped make, got phased completely out. Early RA era was basically just more wrestling oriented attitude era. And attitude era was mostly Russo. TNA under Russo was fun. WCW was a cluster before and after Russo. But even during that time, it was still better than anything today. And better than WCW was before Bischoff shook things up
It sounds like this faction/storyline was made for Vince Russo to just shoot and air his grievances, just like how Jerry Jarrett created TNA to get his son over.
I can just imagine Russo in the creative meeting. Alright we're going to do all the ideas that creative from WWE and WCW.....I mean.. We're going to do all the ideas I came up with, but we're gonna add more people do we overwhelm the fans. And I was watching a great general hospital episode the other day, I'll figure a way to incorporate it into wrestling..... Oh crap I forgot, after every 5th word, insert bro
Early TNA is what WCW would’ve been if WCW survived. I loved TNA from 2007 to 2009, but then Dixie ruined it all by bringing in Hogan, and then Pritchard.
Say what you want about Vince Russo, but the Sports Entertainment Extreme faction was ahead of its time. 2 separate fanbases in the wrestling community argue constantly about what pro wrestling should be based off on, and what better way then Old School Wrestling Tradition (NWA) vs Story base driven concepts with elements of Crash T.V. (S.E.X.). People have their own opinions on Vince, but for me, he understood the importance of ratings and what causal fans wanted to see.
So basically the wrestling community is divided between a cornette style booked show and a russo style booked one. I personally would take the Russo show in a heartbeat but for each his own
I honestly would love to see old school traditional wrestling vs. sports entertainment today. While you're at it, throw hardcore wrestling into the mix.
@@Abyss_Wanderer4816 I'd take a Bischoff booked show over one by Cornette, Russo, or McMahon for that matter. WCW from 96-99 got the balance right between new reality based stuff with the nWo while maintaining a very high standard when it came to the quality of wrestling and the commitment to their JCP/NWA past. Meanwhile, WCW were also heavily featuring cruiserweights, shining the spotlight on in-ring action in a way that had never been done before.
My thing is, yes he tried something new. But he never really learned from his mistakes. Having terrible ideas is one thing, but never objectively looking at those ideas and never realizing that they don't work, so you just keep doing them... That's even worse.
@@joshkaid Ya I think he was smelling his own farts a bit too much and probably thought that because he did pretty good in the Attitude Era that he could do no wrong.
My thoughts on Vince Russo are..... meh. While he did have more bad ideas than good, I respect him for at least trying something new and always wanting to give everyone on the card something to do, especially the younger guys. I think the hate for him in recent years were because "it was the cool thing to do" and everyone did it without looking into his ideas with an open mind. I honestly think his S.E.X. faction was okay at best. Sure, it started the never-ending trend of TNA doing "faction warfare/takeover" storylines for the next 10 years (Planet Jarrett, World Elite, Main Event Mafia, Aces and Eights, the GFW Invasion etc.), but at the time, I thought was cool seeing S.E.X. members like Triple X, Sonny Siaki and AJ Styles getting pushes in the company's early years.
While he may have been a menace to the profession itself, he does have some good ideas every now and then, and could have actually been something, if he tried learning. I base this on Cornette’s first impression of him, believing that Russo could have gone places.
Can’t believe Kid Kash didn’t end his career on that botch. From the top rope straight to the mat on top of his fucking head. Also, fucking hell, Slapnuts can beat the entirety of S.E.X. by himself multiple times but he needs Russo to help him beat Disco Inferno?!?!
When sonny siaki did a promo calling himself the ace in the hole idk why i thought he was saying hes the "eggs in the hole" i was like wtf is this guy talking about?
Let's be honest, we remember more about the bad things than the good things There's a reason why people have been supporting something like Botchamania than something like the Top 10 BEST Jeff Jarrett matches pre-TNA
There was a post S.E.X faction. It's was Russo, aj styles as the main event ,sunny sakia, Umaga but at the time he was called Ekmo Fatu as the tag team, and trinity and the female manager. They were one those groups without a name.
Oh, my God, you were on point as usual, Hawk! You had me laughing all through the video! If I had to pick my favorite comment, it would probably be you laughing when talking about Bart Gunn. Or saying Tony Schiavone looked like a cokehead! TNA basically stood for Trashy Nasty Asses. Sad stuff, but hilarious! This faction made the latter days of the NWO look hardcore awesome! And Jeff Jarrett basically acting like a Budget Store John Cena. Oh, God, and I just died watching this again and hearing your Jeff Hardy impression! Classic! I never get tired of hearing about Jeff's stoner friends. No Shoving this one! A+ all the way!
Tna early days was odd , wild , strange and didn't make sense from 2002 to 2004 , u saw alot of people from wcw and wwf like malice , Grandmaster sexay, Vince russo, Harris bros, Sean Waltman, etc but it got alot better around 2004
I’ve had the privilege of meeting Jeff Hardy a couple times. First time was 03 and last time was 18, man time changes things, but very cool down to earth dude!
Early TNA Russo really looked like a fat Brendon Urie (someone on F4W) For as much flak he got from his bookings, his peak TNA run wasn't THAT bad thanks to Dutch Mantell and Double J for holding Russo's leash.
Russo writing is like salt. A little bit can help the flavor. Too much can make you sick. Make him your head writer/booker and it's a lethal dose that can kill your wrestling promotion.
This shit is awesome this replay value is incredible with Russo I love 2000 wcw so wacky stupid and funny fun to watch a random nitro and laugh same with eatly tna this guys a legend just can’t take him serious like Steiner on the mic it’s just wacky and funny
God Damnit, why did AJ Styles bring a fucking chainsaw with him in the early 2000's trying to scare the entire locker room and then scare the audience members with it, it's just like Eminem mentioning "Vicodin" and "Chainsaws" and "Homosexuals" on his "Marshall Mathers" album and Steven Berman refuses to sell the album by telling Eminem that "Either change the record or it's not coming out" and kicked him out of his office.
Yeah DDP was coming back from injury hanging out with Kevin Nash and the natural born thrillers. He told Nash and Sanders he has a new catch phrase that's going to be huge. He would tell his opponent they are SOL then hit the diamond cutter. The next night Mike Sanders suggested they take DDP's new catchphrase and use it as a rib. As they walked backstage DDP was there all he said was it was going be huge but it belongs to you guys now.
Holy christ, I had never seen that AJ styles chainsaw scene before LMAO! I'm very appreciative that you played that legendary clip, because it made me wheeze of laughter, and those who don't agree... YOU BETTER MEET IN THE RING, IN 30 MINUTES OR I'M GOING TO SAW ALL YAW BODY PARTS AWFF!!
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Naming a faction S.E.X. is the most Vince Russo thing ever
It's the only Sex he could get XD
S.E.X. Tied WITH....
T.N.A. = NOT TotaL NonsTop Action
I wanna know iF it’s true that at the beginning A LOT oF this was a ‘shooT’ ?
I mean it's pretty expected for a promotion called TNA
😂😂😂😂
21 members and surprisingly none of them were Jeff Jarrett.
And he was a face through it all.
He’s not dead ha ain’t the rock so not in Vince Russo group in this world
@@Mzzzz14 I guess that explains why Sonny Siaki was in the group then. Vince Russo probably mistook him for The Rock.
*You would think a man called "Slapnuts" would be a perfect fit for S.E.X.*
@@mattmaverick3602 yea he was like as got money for the rock brother no well Sony can join then
The best part of this storyline is how they tried to convince us that Disco Inferno was a serious contender for the NWA title.
Cause he was boys with Russo. #italianconnection
@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM ummm, what?!? I'm sorry, but I couldn't ignore that last comment. Are you serious or just trolling?!
@@DiabolikSilhouette read his name lmfao
@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLMstop
Mike Rapada had already been NWA champion at that point. There was no prestige left.
Skipper doing that hurricanrana off the top of the cage still my favorite tna moments
That was nuts and Don West would say that is freaking insane
Triple X was a fucking awesome team
It was cool at the time but there was obvious cooperation and that move didn't even end that match.
@@quentinkaasa47 the fact that move didn’t end the match is insane
Needle in the haystack.
I love how AJ is politely escorted by security to the dressing room so he could possibly massacre 10 people with a chainsaw.
"... looking like a young CM Punk and a depressed Shane Douglas.." Im dead lmao
Classic line
Russo has that sorta "Homeless/I got a court date" look going on during this era!
This look Comes equipped with a 98 ford explore and a boxer/pitbull mix that smells like camel reds.
@@claybaxter3202 Damn...Accurate😂😂😂😂😂
@@claybaxter3202 Truth.
Okay that Antichrist monologue with Jeff Hardy, had me laughing so hard.
I totally agree man, MarkyD nailed the timing on that 1. Perfect spot for that craziness.
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth Jeff Hardy used to be the "Antichrist of Professional Wrestling".
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth His 2011 heel run. Look it up if you've not heard of it.
It sounded more like a lowkey Stone Cold impersonation though haha.
Erik Watts, David Flair and Grandmaster Sexay... what a group
The very definition of "riding on Daddy's coattails." Or maybe they're just too overshadowed by their fathers success to ever be taken seriously enough.
they where known as "Daddies Money"
Daddy's boyz Club
Excellent choices so far. I'm impressed!
Anyone else have any suggestions for a new name for this tag team?
(this is fun!)
"Too Much" in my Trust Fund
This Vince Russo TNA run is like an homage to the death of WCW. Only worse because there's more Vince Russo
More Russo and no Ted Turners money.
“David Flair for fuck sakes!”
😂😂😂
I've lightened up on Vince Russo for one reason. I have a Star Trek group on Facebook, and I was doing this "what if Vince Russo wrote Star Trek" thing, where Russo wrote the worst episodes of Star Trek. Russo became a meme in the group, and a few months ago someone got a Cameo from him for the entire group. I can't hate him after that. Also his Cameo was actually really good.
Can you elaborate on the episode?
@Jabroni Destroyer we lost the original link because the original group got Zucced, but I did manage to save it. Group is private though, so you'd have to join to see it. m.facebook.com/groups/286541399637480/permalink/286715949620025/
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I bet if you put a calorie or two of effort in you could still hate him.
@@garagon31 Or recognize that he's the guy who wrote the most watched segments/episode of WWF and could still pull bigger numbers at the fall of WCW/most of TNA than any current wrestling federation can.
But it's easier to run with the narratives created by marks occupying business than take the facts at face value.
7:19 Great Value version of Stephanie McMahon
Good spot I can’t unsee that now!
My thoughts on Vince Russo is though he had many bad ideas, he was always trying something new and end of the day he had people talking and made things unpredictable, which is one of the big problems with wrestling today
Big up Tom at Top10 wrestling talks a lot of sense here
I think he's a great writer... Oh swerve bro... I wonder if Cornette lives more than him.
So did Hitler
@@userjim83 not a comparison but ok
@@userjim83 If only Hitler was a wrestling booker instead of a dictator that murdered millions of people.
"and then Tony Schiavone comes out dressed like a coke 'ead"
Best part of this whole video!
@@stlfatman definitely is 😂😂
Yess
with kiss shirt too 💪🏾 but that’s wild I didn’t know he that kind of drug problem
The only entertaining moment of this faction is when Roddy Piper said Russo killed Owen Hart.
Never realized until recently that road dogg seemed very bitter about being released from wwe in 2001.
Well at least Triple H gave him a job now
@@vegetalover9297 it’s funny that after doing the VKM gimmick and constantly trying to bury WWE, both him and billy Gunn went back with the tails between their legs lol
I always thought Road Dogg was just trying to relive his New Age Outlaw days by being a "disgruntled rebel" type and using insider terms during his time in TNA.
Yeah, he was on drugs & ended up on suspension before being fired. I found out some years later that he showed up to the last Monday Nitro only to find out WCW has been sold to WWE. So that may as well added fuel to his fire in having to search harder for a job
@@philipjohnson9913 oh wow I didn’t know about him showing up to WCW. I knew about being on pills but not being at the last nitro. That would have been cool to see him on there even if it was just for one night
Russo was only good when McMahon was there to control him. His call on gimmicking Owen Hart’s harness release led to Owen’s death. The fact that Russo never caught a manslaughter charge is crazy.
"The whole idea just started so innocently. We had brought back Owen’s old gimmick, The Blue Blazer. He was meant to be like a superhero, but a spoof on a superhero - to really get over the comedic genius of Owen Hart. It was probably the Friday before the show. The show’s already written - I get a call from Steve Taylor [WWF’s V.P of Operations]. He goes, ‘Look, I just got a call from the people who rappelled Sting from the rafters [in rival WCW]. They said they’re gonna be at our pay-per-view. They wanna know if there is anything they may be able to do for the WWE.’ So while he’s telling me this, I’m looking through the show, and I see Owen. And I’m saying, ‘Well, that’d really elevate Owen’s character, that’d be something really special and cool for Owen. What if we rappelled The Blue Blazer?’ -.... "So now during the day [of the pay-per-view], Owen Hart comes up to me, and what he said was, ‘I rehearsed rappelling from the ceiling, but when I rappel down, it takes me a while to get my harness off. If [Owen’s opponent] The Godfather is in the ring first, and then I rappel, and I gotta take this harness off, The Godfather could pummel me…’ See, everyone [at that time] was thinking, ‘Real, real, real, reality,’ so he said, ‘Could my entrance come first, THEN have The Godfather come out?’ I said, ‘Owen, no problem - I’ll make the changes, no problem…’ And that was it. That was the extent of our conversation." - Vince Russo
@@Foxo-Matti12 great copypasta, Vince, but he admitted he wanted a quick release harness, so Owen could take a comedic pratfall.
I've honestly heard so many conflicting stories on this that I genuinely don't know what to think. I've heard several people both in WWF at the time and some who weren't in the WWF but we're close to Owen say it was Owen's idea because Godfather was coming out first and the harness took so long to get off it would get awkward if Godfather didn't jump him. I've heard others say it was Vince Russo's idea so he could quickly unhook then do a prat fall. I can see both, they weren't treating Owen seriously at all at the time so having him fall flat on his face for shits and giggles seems right up WWF's ally. On the other hand, I've heard some insiders talk about the blue blazer being a stopgap gimmick that was only gonna last another month before Owen would drop it and cut a work/shoot promo about how he was being constantly mistreated and since he been in the company he was in his brother's shadow. This would've led to a huge push. This also makes sense given how much they like mixing real life into the story at the time and I can see Owen getting a big push because he had alot of people who liked him booking at the time plus he was very well liked backstage, more than even Bret, and thus it is unlikely he would've been victim to backstage politics.
Then what's your excuse for Mcmahon shitty booking and creative the last 20 years? Russo too?
WWE are ultimately responsible for Owen's death. Why do you think they paid the Hart family a whooping $18 million in compensation after he died in an out-of-court settlement? They knew they were totally in the wrong and had no choice but to pay up. McMahon bares far more responsibility than Russo, especially for the unthinkable call to continue the Over the Edge PPV after Owen's death. It really should have been the end of the WWF full stop.
Russo needa give up on chasing the spotlight. His most successful years came from being a creative WRITER, not an on-screen character.
He really did have a bad bout of egomania.
I think Vince Russo was fine as long as he had someone around to tell that “Wow, that’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard in my life!” It was when he had full creative control that he was at his worst, and his work in TNA and WCW demonstrated that.
Besides, Jim Cornette can’t stand him, and anything that pisses Cornette off brings a smile to my face.
Exactly what I always thought about Russo
There were plenty of people telling him his ideas were moronic and tried working with him but he just used backdoor politics to have them removed
@@macrussell78 Dixie didn't help matters by brining him back behind the networks back
The same thing can be said for Vince McMahon.
Russo never had full control in WCW and his work for TNA actually improved the ratings tho.
That Roddy Piper appearance was very interesting, I'm surprised you didn't go deep into that. It was essentially a shoot.
Saving it for a different video 😉
@@Markyd123 Thanks, and you probably already know but there's an interview where Roddy explains what really happened that night. There's a Russo interview too where he explains. Thanks for you great vids, I used to rent these weekly ppvs of early TNA and they really felt special for better or worse.
@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 not actually seen so I will make sure I watch those shoots! Thanks brother
They will never make another Attitude Era times changed and to make wrestling great again it's needed to let talent be them selfs. Only the ones with charisma and athletics will get over.
Nah, Russo is still partly responsible for the downfall of two of the main wrestling companies in the US in the last 25 years
I'm not a fan of Russo's but this is false. WCW was sold to WWE because AOL TimeWarner didn't want wrestling on the channels they had taken from Turner, not because of anything that happened inside WCW itself or in kayfabe. As for the other, TNA still exists to this day...
I think the big problem with this guy was the self insert storyline, it's just like you put a teen fan to write a story of his favorite franchise, he probably will make a fan fic with him as the protagonist
Okay? Everyone has put themselves in the storyline. So what's your point?
@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject that there wasn't point just a mess
@@moycorbin4750 guessing you dont pay attention
@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject Guessing Russo fan Ok
@@moycorbin4750 Wow what gave you that idea genius?
I never remembered how everyone in TNA seemed to always have a look of WTF is going on on their faces, in these early days! Fans too! I Love it!
Vince Russo is a former world heavyweight champ, same title held by rick flair n sting..show him some respect 😂😂😂
paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssss
And let's not forget the impeccable David Arquette.
Yeah. At a time where the title had pretty much no prestige. It was valued when Ric Flair and Sting held it.
@@ShiningJudgment666 it lost all value when Russo had it...atleast Vince mchamom looked jack n could wrestle a little
@@kingofdetroit358 Thank you so much for comparing the two. McMahon winning was atrocious.
That first Russo, promo; always a good strategy to bury your own product. That’s Ole the kiss of death. Might take a year, might take 20, but it’s pretty much over.
"Tony Schiavone showed up dressed like a cokehead and complained he hasn't had a wrestling job in 2 years. Probably that coke problem" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 actually LOLed
Also, Mike Sanders's head is oddly shaped and I can't stop looking at it
To think TNA survived til now starting off with THIS content
*that* content had double the viewers of aew and nxt.
Yet it looks better than the WWE and all politically correct wrestling today LOL.
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And all of the people involved in that content are no longer with the company, and were the reason why Spike canceled them.
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Looks aren't everything. You need actual good content to go with it.
@@luckyjosh7 well yes since this is from 17 years ago most of these guys are retired and the only ones who can still compete but left tna was because of bischoff’s decision to take tna on the road, and crippled it financially and they can’t offer anyone an actual contract, this storyline, as weird as it is, still is miles and miles better than anything wwe/aew/impact or whatever modern company can make, and that shows how much political correctness killed wrestling entertainment
I still hate Vince Russo, after watching that Brawl for All Dark Side of the Ring recently, it showed me that guy is still a total jerk all these years later.
His arrogance whilst watching that was ridiculous.
Russo and Cornette's opposite reactions to rewatching those matches on that episode will always be hilarious to me. Its a good thing they weren't in same room at the same time otherwise Russo'd probably get smacked down by Corny 😂🤣
@@seinenwax94jr9 That’s what makes that episode so great 😂
"IT'S JOST WESTLING BRO" he put people in the hospital, retirement, because of his retarded ideas and owen hart died for the same reason, and all he has to say it's just wrestling, the worst kind of dumb, the dumb that has power
@Zach Lmao. I could already picture that scenario going down. The geist would be Russo saying how well the numbers were. Then Corny would just be unloading a trillion F-bombs and ask "You ruined Dr Death and possibly aggravated Hawk's substance abuse just because John Bradshaw effing Layfield didnt want to play ball with the boys?!!" Before Russo can say "I don't know why you're mad bro calm down" Cornette is just beating the breaks off of Russo. Once the camera crew pull Corny off, he just walks out and yells "This B.S. interview is over, THANK YOU, F YOU, BYE!!!" 😂😂
Russo is like that one boss everyone has had once where it was miserable to work for. But once in a while he does something awesome and then you're like maybe he is a great boss. All he needs is someone to tell him when some of this ideas are rubbish, and which are good.
Dang this group stayed around longer than I remember
Yeah, it felt like it went on for a lot longer than it actually did. The entire storyline/faction only lasted 6 months (from December 4th, 2002 to June 18th, 2003). On the June 18 2003 episode, Russo claimed to own the rights to the name, "Sports Entertainment Xtreme", and that he was taking it back. After that, as you could imagine, it was pretty much over.
So I know I’m late to the party, but I just found your channel a month to 6 weeks ago. Been binging since, your wit always cracks me up. Hope you keep making bomb ass content my dude. Slap the piss out of these punk ass marks brahhhh!!
Hahaha the start was epic, goes from Velvet Sky to Vince Russo loooool. I always respected what Russo tried to do in 2000 with WCW but, it was too little too late. He truly wanted to push new stars then, something WCW needed badly
The rock and roll express joining is the peak of this groups power.
Now this is a very clever joke that unless you are a true intellectual, will completely fly over your head. The reason this is so funny is because the initials of this faction spell out S E X, this is funny because this is an act that only adults do and most TNA fans during this time period were probably teenagers and either couldn't do it or didn't have anyone to do it with.
Thank you for listening to me explaining the joke about of the faction name of Sports Entertainment Xtreme and why it is truly a pinnacle of comedy.
You had me going there!
"They had us in the first half, not gonna lie."
Imho I think Russo is good when he has someone like Vince to keep him in check, when he has unchecked power, he’s bad, though the first part can be false too because my favorite part of wwf (which is hilarious because Austin is my favorite and he was gone the majority of the year) was 2000 when Chris Kreski was in charge. Shove it man!
If Vince was a such a good filter, then how come it stopped working post-1999?
Was it Russo wrote an angle with human sized hand as Mae Young's kid?
Was it Russo who booked Kane to take off his mask and ruin all mystique?
Was it Russo who booked Triple H to dress up as Kane to violate a mannequin?
Shove your "Vinnie Mac was the filter" idea up your cu,nt.
Love him or hate him, Russo's writing was never boring. It was horiffically bad at times and pretty decent at some other times, but it was never really boring. And in my opinion, that's all wrestling really is today. It's just boring.
@Zach can't really blame him, he was doing a great job for a while until his two top guys got injured then he came back and had to split creative with Bischoff and a bunch of others
It's like watching a car crash. Lol
It's entertainingly bad in hindsight.
Unwatchable and frustrating at the time.
So I certainly wouldn't call that a good thing...
This video is literally about how boring HIS faction was that HE created lol
Russo is the only booker to actually make wrestling fun in the first place. WWE did decent at times years after Russo left. But that shit flew so far off after all the stuff Russo helped make, got phased completely out. Early RA era was basically just more wrestling oriented attitude era. And attitude era was mostly Russo. TNA under Russo was fun. WCW was a cluster before and after Russo. But even during that time, it was still better than anything today. And better than WCW was before Bischoff shook things up
@3:32 "And Vince Russo is here to save the the day again" LOL LOL LOL
Honestly, my first TNA experience was with this faction.
It wasn't the best
That Jeff Hardy impression sounded like Frankie Boyle doing Michael Jackson
Dude I ReaLLy appreciate youR depth in researching these videos, it’s GreaT.
Lol!! When the hawk thought you meant THAT sex and then screeched and withdrew from the nest slowly when he realized it was Russo
13:29 the wild slpanuts was born
12:41 Dude looks behind him and then gets his back ready to get hit by "surprise" lmao.
lol I love the Jeff Hardy inner monologues. I feel that is one of your more underrated segments.
It sounds like this faction/storyline was made for Vince Russo to just shoot and air his grievances, just like how Jerry Jarrett created TNA to get his son over.
Bruh...LMAO The Irony
I believe that Kevin Steen pre-dated the "Antichrist of Professional Wrestling". I could be wrong
You're right
I look forward to going back and watching TNA from the beginning
I can just imagine Russo in the creative meeting.
Alright we're going to do all the ideas that creative from WWE and WCW.....I mean.. We're going to do all the ideas I came up with, but we're gonna add more people do we overwhelm the fans. And I was watching a great general hospital episode the other day, I'll figure a way to incorporate it into wrestling.....
Oh crap I forgot, after every 5th word, insert bro
Disco Inferno is a wrestling gem.
Is this whole thing just Vince pretending to be Eric bischoff w/ the nwo?
Yes..yes it is and soon we will have little tony khan doing the same thing just watch
@@bloodeagle6458 2 months later you look like a idiot, tony has yet to get on tv and his only times where he's been on the show was like a year ago
@@geleneceline2310 oh yeah bro
Early TNA is what WCW would’ve been if WCW survived. I loved TNA from 2007 to 2009, but then Dixie ruined it all by bringing in Hogan, and then Pritchard.
Say what you want about Vince Russo, but the Sports Entertainment Extreme faction was ahead of its time. 2 separate fanbases in the wrestling community argue constantly about what pro wrestling should be based off on, and what better way then Old School Wrestling Tradition (NWA) vs Story base driven concepts with elements of Crash T.V. (S.E.X.). People have their own opinions on Vince, but for me, he understood the importance of ratings and what causal fans wanted to see.
So basically the wrestling community is divided between a cornette style booked show and a russo style booked one. I personally would take the Russo show in a heartbeat but for each his own
This is super accurate and I had another comparison to add, this is like internet fans vs casual fans lol
I honestly would love to see old school traditional wrestling vs. sports entertainment today. While you're at it, throw hardcore wrestling into the mix.
@@Abyss_Wanderer4816 I'd take a Bischoff booked show over one by Cornette, Russo, or McMahon for that matter. WCW from 96-99 got the balance right between new reality based stuff with the nWo while maintaining a very high standard when it came to the quality of wrestling and the commitment to their JCP/NWA past. Meanwhile, WCW were also heavily featuring cruiserweights, shining the spotlight on in-ring action in a way that had never been done before.
Scott Stapp: Now this ain't about sex (SSEEEEXXXX!)
I definitely don't like Vince Russo's over the top edgyness and majority terrible ideas but I can appreciate he tried doing different stuff
My thing is, yes he tried something new. But he never really learned from his mistakes. Having terrible ideas is one thing, but never objectively looking at those ideas and never realizing that they don't work, so you just keep doing them... That's even worse.
@@joshkaid Ya I think he was smelling his own farts a bit too much and probably thought that because he did pretty good in the Attitude Era that he could do no wrong.
The amount of laughs I got from this video lol
My thoughts on Vince Russo are..... meh.
While he did have more bad ideas than good, I respect him for at least trying something new and always wanting to give everyone on the card something to do, especially the younger guys. I think the hate for him in recent years were because "it was the cool thing to do" and everyone did it without looking into his ideas with an open mind. I honestly think his S.E.X. faction was okay at best. Sure, it started the never-ending trend of TNA doing "faction warfare/takeover" storylines for the next 10 years (Planet Jarrett, World Elite, Main Event Mafia, Aces and Eights, the GFW Invasion etc.), but at the time, I thought was cool seeing S.E.X. members like Triple X, Sonny Siaki and AJ Styles getting pushes in the company's early years.
Very true he’s easy to hate on because he doesn’t go with the flow and the common opinion of the internet.
No the hate is cus he and bishof are part of the reason WCW went under
If we're being honest Jeff stole the Antichrist gimmick from vince russo
im loving your excellent narrator skills keep it up you rule
Tenays reaction to the stone cold wins line is hilarious af "what the hell is going on here?"
This is back when TNA came on every Wednesday on ppv. It was complete chaos lol
This faction was a MESS.
Man I laughed so much at this video . Great stuff
Vince Russo has the same problem that every other authority figure does, he doesn’t know when to stay out of the way of the show.
At least Antonio Peña was involved when it was relevant.
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What??
[[ chainsaw noise ]]
Huh???
[[ chainsaw noise ]]
Okay so you're not gonna be a big promo guy, that's okay, you've got... well, a chainsaw.
Running this stable is still the only time Russo had Sex. Not even my daughter would touch that guy.
While he may have been a menace to the profession itself, he does have some good ideas every now and then, and could have actually been something, if he tried learning. I base this on Cornette’s first impression of him, believing that Russo could have gone places.
"Beyond Boring" Mike Sanders.....😂
Can’t believe Kid Kash didn’t end his career on that botch. From the top rope straight to the mat on top of his fucking head.
Also, fucking hell, Slapnuts can beat the entirety of S.E.X. by himself multiple times but he needs Russo to help him beat Disco Inferno?!?!
I'll never burn that Vince Russo on a woman's body out of my eyes ever again. Thanks. Good video btw.
When sonny siaki did a promo calling himself the ace in the hole idk why i thought he was saying hes the "eggs in the hole" i was like wtf is this guy talking about?
Vince Russo needs a heavy filter to have any good ideas
Let's be honest, we remember more about the bad things than the good things
There's a reason why people have been supporting something like Botchamania than something like the Top 10 BEST Jeff Jarrett matches pre-TNA
very true mate. If i make a positive video no one ever watches it, fact.
There was a post S.E.X faction. It's was Russo, aj styles as the main event ,sunny sakia, Umaga but at the time he was called Ekmo Fatu as the tag team, and trinity and the female manager. They were one those groups without a name.
Oh, my God, you were on point as usual, Hawk! You had me laughing all through the video! If I had to pick my favorite comment, it would probably be you laughing when talking about Bart Gunn. Or saying Tony Schiavone looked like a cokehead!
TNA basically stood for Trashy Nasty Asses. Sad stuff, but hilarious! This faction made the latter days of the NWO look hardcore awesome! And Jeff Jarrett basically acting like a Budget Store John Cena.
Oh, God, and I just died watching this again and hearing your Jeff Hardy impression! Classic! I never get tired of hearing about Jeff's stoner friends. No Shoving this one! A+ all the way!
I cant believe hawk hogan is hosting wrestlemania.
So Vince for me I hit and miss. Some of his story lines ended up being fun. Others pure garbage.
He got people talking and rocked a unibrow lol
Tna early days was odd , wild , strange and didn't make sense from 2002 to 2004 , u saw alot of people from wcw and wwf like malice , Grandmaster sexay, Vince russo, Harris bros, Sean Waltman, etc but it got alot better around 2004
I’ve had the privilege of meeting Jeff Hardy a couple times. First time was 03 and last time was 18, man time changes things, but very cool down to earth dude!
That impregnation is real at 24:50!
Thanks for memories Russo, those nerves in my brain is permanently severed. Wild Slapnuts sighting!
The thumb for the video has all the SEX members. It’s sad when when you can only recognize one or two of them.
That Kid Kash botch was horrifying.
I'm pretty sure I was a faction member on S.E.X at one point but I don't remember 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the narrator of these videos is absolutely hilarious 😂
14:56 what's the background song used during this? It's really relaxing and nostalgic.
Off the topic. But Ricky Morton had the greatest mullet of all time!
1st! LAst time I was this early Markyd was still making Ring Ka King videos
Holy shit a wall- mart wild thing chainsaw
Early TNA Russo really looked like a fat Brendon Urie (someone on F4W)
For as much flak he got from his bookings, his peak TNA run wasn't THAT bad thanks to Dutch Mantell and Double J for holding Russo's leash.
Vince Russo is from your government and here to help.
Then he explained that he used to hang around with wrestlers in the 80's...which would explain that coke problem.
Had to add this comment for reasons. Loved S.E.X. Best faction in wrestling history. When Schiavone joined I was ecstatic.
Russo writing is like salt. A little bit can help the flavor. Too much can make you sick. Make him your head writer/booker and it's a lethal dose that can kill your wrestling promotion.
This shit is awesome this replay value is incredible with Russo I love 2000 wcw so wacky stupid and funny fun to watch a random nitro and laugh same with eatly tna this guys a legend just can’t take him serious like Steiner on the mic it’s just wacky and funny
God Damnit, why did AJ Styles bring a fucking chainsaw with him in the early 2000's trying to scare the entire locker room and then scare the audience members with it, it's just like Eminem mentioning "Vicodin" and "Chainsaws" and "Homosexuals" on his "Marshall Mathers" album and Steven Berman refuses to sell the album by telling Eminem that "Either change the record or it's not coming out" and kicked him out of his office.
I can literally imagine Russo sitting here thinking this
Above average Mike Sanders was the man who stole DDP's new catch phrase SOL.
I wondered why he said it!
Yeah DDP was coming back from injury hanging out with Kevin Nash and the natural born thrillers. He told Nash and Sanders he has a new catch phrase that's going to be huge. He would tell his opponent they are SOL then hit the diamond cutter. The next night Mike Sanders suggested they take DDP's new catchphrase and use it as a rib. As they walked backstage DDP was there all he said was it was going be huge but it belongs to you guys now.
12:30 - If those fans’ signs weren’t a solid indication of what a bad time it was in TNA, nothing is.
the over swearing by marky is funny as it falls in line with russo faction meaning, clever really.
Yes Russo is genius
He tried to shake and move things
He Made things happen
Jesus christ, take a shot every time you see Jeff Jarrett with the crimson mask if you want to DIE.
Holy christ, I had never seen that AJ styles chainsaw scene before LMAO! I'm very appreciative that you played that legendary clip, because it made me wheeze of laughter, and those who don't agree... YOU BETTER MEET IN THE RING, IN 30 MINUTES OR I'M GOING TO SAW ALL YAW BODY PARTS AWFF!!