The 116610LN is the Best Rolex Submariner | Change My Mind
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Since its inception in 1953 there have been dozens of different Rolex Submariner models. The two most recent versions, the now discontinued model 16610 and the current model 116610, are compared to one another and polarize the watch collecting community. Many favor the previous generation while others prefer the modern incarnation. I myself prefer the modern ceramic Submariner, I'll tell you why, and give you the opportunity to change my mind!
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Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed the video Guy. I bought a 16610 in January 2000, and wore it until I sold it, and bought a 114060 in August 2014. I loved the 166010, and enjoyed wearing it very much. I looked at it, and admired it every time I wore it. When I got the 114060 I was very impressed by its heft, and awesome case. I understand your preference for the date, but I really like the "cleaner" look of the non date. Having said that, the ceramic bezel, maxi dial, super case, and solid link bracelet bring a great watch to a new level of quality, and durability. It is truly a modern iteration of the classic, and timeless Rolex sports watch.
Hey Mark, thanks for sharing your experience with your Submariners. I get why you like the 114060, I could certainly be happy with that model as well, even if my preference is for the Date.
No date ceramic for me.
Did you say the ceramic Submariner and GMT have different cases ?
Yeah they are slightly different. The Sub is slightly thicker and I think the lugs on the GMT are a hair thinner.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Ah I didn't know that. Thanks
Correct
Pre-ceramic no date is pure perfection. The best design ever. By far.
Sub DATE!!!!!
While I get where you are coming from...that is a very dated response. Majority below the age of 30-35 would disagree; and I think Rolexes trend toward bigger watches (such as the YM) reflects this. I have owned the 5 digit, and just recently purchased the 6 digit 116610 and the new one is by far a better product overall in my eyes.
@@kbudh01 in terms of quality the 116610 is far better I agree. It has a far better bracelet and clasp. BUT in my humble opinion the aesthetics are all wrong with it. The 16610 and 14060 are proportionally much nicer. This is why Rolex have now introduced a bigger bracelet to the latest 41mm Sub
It's not even close. The 5-digit reference is inferior in every way to the 6 digit references. 1) The 5 digit reference's stamped steel clasp is a joke for a watch at it's price point. 2) The Hollow links stretch and jingle and just can't compete with modern the Rolexe's braclet. 3) The worthless "diver's extention is far and away outclassed by the much more useful Glidelock system.4) The Supercase and Maxidial make the 5 digit sub look dainty in comparison. 5) I've owned the 116610ln for 8 years and it looks as great as the day I got it. While the aluminum bezel on the 5 digit would be scratched and faded with heavy use. 6) The 116610ln is the most refined and modern variant of the venerable caliber 3135 movement.
Apart from emotional nostalgic appeal you might feel, the 6 digit is out classes your 5 digit reference all day every day.
No-Date Ceramic would be my pick, but I also prefer the Explorer I. But you can’t go wrong with any sub or explorer.
Nothing wrong with the no date either.
Guy,
I really enjoy watching your in depth videos. After waiting 3.5 months I got a call from my local A D two weeks ago letting me know my Submariner with date had arrived. I went in the same day and picked it up. Couldn’t be more happy with my purchase.
That’s great news congrats buddy.
I tried on a no date ceramic sub at an ad last month, truth be told I don't think any watch I have ever worn before felt as right on my wrist as it did. I hope to buy one for my 30th birthday in 12 years haha
Don't wait!
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews I could only imagine how much the price would have increased by then lol
Great video, as usual. The problem I always ran into when I was in my "tons of dirty money/swapping Rolex's every month" phase some years ago was that resale/trade in value on non-ceramic Subs was a LOT less than the ceramic ones.. people just didn't want the steel bezel ones..
That's interesting to hear. I would have guessed that they always traded just as well as the newer ones. I guess I'm too used to the crazy environment we're in today.
IMHO the best Sub comparison I saw on RUclips - thank you mate! Does the date on the pre-ceramic magnified larger?
I don't think so, but I did seem to feel that the pre-ceramic magnifier had more glare and the font was slightly different. Being as it was probably from the late 80's or early 90's it would probably make sense that things have changed over that time.
I bought a 2009 14060M new and still love it. However, I have wondered if the newer Oyster bracelet with GlideLock would fit on it. Any ideas?
I don't think the bracelet will but I think I've seen people put the GlideLock on it by switching out the clasps.
I think Rich is right, you can swap the clasp but perhaps not the whole bracelet. I'm not entirely certain, never tried it myself.
I agree I own one myself it is the best watch I've ever owned will never replace it
Thanks for watching Boss.
Question: Do the new bracelets fit older submariners? What does one do when one's 16xxx bracelet gets broken? Does Rolex make 'updated' clasps and bracelets for their older models? Just wondering (a question of assembling that 'imaginary sub' ;-) )...
I'm not entirely sure if the new style glidelock bracelet fits on the older Sub. I've heard that people have put a glide lock clasp on the older bracelet but again I've never personally done it.
You were close, but you put an "N" at the end instead of a "V". ;) Love my Hulk. You can see it, along with several other pieces from my collection, in my video. I own 8 very hard to acquire pieces and got them all from my dealer just in the last 6 months. There are a few watches I own that are not in the video but I will get them posted.
I don’t think I could do a Green Watch daily. I love green, favorite color, but I don’t think it makes for a good watch color.
@@JustBlueFish I might agree if it was my only watch. Given I am just adding one Submariner to a collection that already has several watches with either a black bezel, a black dial, or both,, I choose the Hulk to mix things up.
As always, nice argumentation in your video. You make it difficult for others to try and change your mind, as you distinguish between watch elements that are facts and elements that are a matter of taste.
Subjectively, i agree with the four points you make. When i chose to purchase a similar rolex, the hierarchy of importance was slightly different.
The maxi case was the strongest reason, followed by the larger indices. Number three was the bezel and last consideration was the bracelet.
However, i chose a different watch which is the 114060. I find the cyclops destroys the symmetry of submariner dials, and i would never buy one with it.
So, the absence of a cyclops was to me even more important than the maxi case which i love.
Thanks for watching Pal. I gotta be honest I love the cyclops. The Submariner with no date is nice too, don't get me wrong.
You are welcome. No wories. I understand that it is a matter of taste. You went for a great watch, and i am sure you will enjoy it.
Ceramic no date + Pre-ceramic bluesy is the perfect pair for me
Ceramic but the no date, the Cyclops should only be seen on the datejust imo
Cyclops for life!!!!
I agree definitely the no date ceramic
Surely you jest? The cyclops is the worst part of the watch.
I think the date sub is the most versatile watch you can buy, as a one watch guy I feel its the better option.
The cyclops all day!
It's become part of the Rolex look.
The only object difference is having lume at the 3 o'clock marker.
The cyclops is not only functional, it's iconic Rolex.
I was in the same predicament in 2010 but chose a 16610 M serial (2007-08) instead and never looked back. I just can't get into the chunky maxi case. It was even a bit easier since the 16610 was $6,000 retail before discount (I got 8%) with the new 116610 LN ceramic being $8,000 in 2010 if I recall. I even had to travel further to an AD since there weren't many new 16610's left as the 116610 LN was already rolling in. Just a few years ago, I picked up a pre-owned 14060 N (1992) serial no date and like it better than both.
I respect your preference for the look of the 5 digit reference. I don't happen to agree. However the 6 digit iterations of the Sub are superior watches in every objective metrix. It upgrades the hideous stamped clasp, the easy to scratch aluminum bezel and stretch prone hollow links.
Paying the extra coin at the beginning, would have gotten you a much more durable watch that will retain it new look for decades, long after your 5 digit
show wear and tear.
I owned the 114060 for 6 months. I soon got bored and realized it lacked something. I got the 116610LN now and I’m not looking back since. The Date with it’s cyclops makes it look more technical and more usable.
Was this one of your Rolexes that had a QC issue?
Yeah, minor ones. Little misalignments of printing on the dial as well as a slightly bezel misalignment. My first Submariner had big problems with the movement and that was returned to the AD and I got this one in exchange.
Oh right. That's really quite shocking. It would been good to mention that in this video. Especially if you have any views on whether the QC has improved or become worse.
I've talked about it ad nauseum in several videos, didn't want to feel like I'm beating a dead horse.
Ive got to be honest, I’ve recently sold my 2007 16710 Pepsi and purchased a new explorer. The explorer has two QC issues I have noted. The first is the misaligned rehaut engraving and the second is a large piece of lume material protruding from the Arabic “3”. The AD has instructed me to bring the watch in to have it rectified but I’m a bit miffed I’ll be without it for several weeks. My GMT was flawless, purchased new from the same AD!
The Ceramic Submariner is hands down the best Submariner ever made!! Luckily I own both the 16610ln no holes case and the 116610ln and I’ll have to agree that the ceramic version is far superior. I wear the pre ceramic as a daily beater and the ceramic on special occasions and I’ve gotta say when I wear the ceramic I find myself staring at it several times throughout the day, cannot say that about the pre ceramic although it’s still a beautiful watch. But all in all it’s just my opinion.
One of each, that's the way to go. Thanks for watching Terry.
I love the no date, I love the 1680 and 16610. All are lovely. I prefer the shine on the ceramic bezel.
Thanks for watching.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews thanks for making
Nice review of both watches. Personally, I think the new model is better in every respect but one! If the lugs were just a little narrower and tapered to meet the bracelet to reduce the square look, this would overcome what I believe to be the main gripe about the supersize case. Incidentally, I bought the very same model for my son just over 3 weeks ago (new retail from an AD)...he was "floating" when he left the shop. My own watch is a humble OP 36mm (3,6,9 dial) however, it's so comfortable and unassuming, I doubt I would want to swap with the sub based on comfort alone, that said, the sub is by far the better looking watch!
Thanks for watching and congrats to your son and his new Sub.
Excellent video' covered every difference between the two. Funny I have identical opinions as you on preference. Do not like those older Rolex rattle bracelets! Lol. Always thought they felt cheap.
Thanks I appreciate it.
The only aesthetic problem with all ceramic bezel subs is that they are a little too reflective which is accentuated further on the dial because they have no AR coating on the crystal. Also I question on how it will age with the dial and lume inevitably fading faster than the ceramic bezel.
Yeah depending on the light there can be a lot of glare between that crystal and bezel.
Actually inspected it in person the other day and I'm ok with it. Just a question, how can you possibly like that cyclops? It absolutely destroys the aesthetics of the dial. The no date is watch perfection.
I don't know, I think the cyclops looks good. The no-date does as well, but I find the no-date looks bigger because the dial feels more spread out, and I get the this sense that something is missing without the date. There's plenty of watches I prefer without a date but between these 2 styles of Submariner I'd always pick the date.
Great video...would love for a similar comparison for the Explorer 1.
That would be cool. Finding a 36mm Explorer might be harder but I'll keep that in mind.
16610 is better looking. I have a late 1980s one I got for high school graduation. New one is nice, don't get me wrong, but the proportions are jacked up. Rolex tried to increase the size without actually increasing it from 40mm. I can't get past those thicker lugs and crown guard. Should have just bumped it up to 42mm and left the proportions the same.
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it.
Great info but....it would be good to identify which one is which for a newbies
I have followed your journey so to speak
I am going in a different direction. 3weeks ago I got my first real watch 2018 Submariner “no date” (no clue why they call it a subc). And I love this watch.
And now looking at the Explorer 1 😂
But my next one is the Hulk for sure
The updated glidelock alone makes the new model better IMHO
explorer1 has so much class, the hulk looks like kid's toy next to it
andrei-cosmin popa I hear you
They call it the SubC because it's the Ceramic bezel insert version.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews ahhhh ok got it thanks!!
With you on Ceramic Submariner because of comfy bracelet and beautiful bezel. Only problem to me is its not for formal/dress events
I rarely have formal engagements, but if I did I'd probably just wear the Submariner anyway haha.
hahaha. I am with you, as you gotta do what you like to do, as I am with my small tank solo on my small wrist. lol
The best submariner is a real one lol.
Thanks for watching.
I love all modern Rolex sports models but chose GMT 116710LN. I love the extra green arrow hand. Cheers
Good choice, you can't go wrong with the GMT LN, it's a great watch.
I tried one on yesterday at a very well known used watch dealer in the U.K. it had a $2000 dollar premium. I am not that desperate. I then went into a Rolex AD to find out the waiting time and was quoted about a year. The AD said a dated model could probably be acquired a little quicker.
$2k over retail price is steep. I’d get on the list at a few ADs and just wait it out.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews JustBlue. Always remember. Retail is for suckers.
I empathise! 2nd hand prices of pre-ceramic are excessive to say the least, worst of all; most of those over-priced Subs don't have papers and / or recent "Rolex" service history!! As for 1 year wait time, take a tip from me, if you are a really serious potential buyer and could (and would!) buy at short notice, give your mobile number to some AD's and tell them you would purchase the same day if they get a watch and "can't get hold of the next person on their wait list"! You might be surprised to find you don't have to wait 12 months!!!
The latest model is always the best and has wider hands which are a must!
I agree, thanks for watching.
I wouldn't say this version is the best looking or the most iconic but I do think this is the best bang for buck and the most high quality of all the Subs. If I've had unlimited amounts of money I would probably get all of them, but for a one watch buy, the date ceramic Sub is definitely the best.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Almost everything is better on ceramic version.
But the most important factor is on pre-ceramic version site.
The lighter look. Smoother, more fits on the wrist.
The width of the lugs of the ceramic version is to wide. That makes look so heavy.
That is often the biggest debate, the case size/shape. I like them both, I wish I had one of each.
The main reason I chose the older Sub is the overall roundness shape that it has. The new Sub looks too square and chunky. I prefer my watch to be round and never liked those rectangular watches.
I like the older Sub case, but the smaller dial markers and thinner handset on the pre-ceramic Submariner is less preferable than the style of the newer watch.
The new one has superior technology. However I prefer the case size and design of the previous version, as well as the smaller and more refined dial.
I haven’t seen the 2018 model in great detail yet, but I think I tend to agree with you on this.
It took bit sometimes for me to understand which is what? Take a look at Watchfinder when comparing the same watch different models side by side by making a proper motion in left.
or the right hand, do not take both hands so closely. Indeed the new Sub is more manly and macho specially the super case, thik lugs, bold crown guards. Thanks for bringing the comparison.
My original audio was bad and I had to record all the audio over, which is why you might get the sense at times that the video is out of sync. I had no means to record the whole thing over so the best I could do was salvage the video and redo the audio.
The 116610LN might be the Best Rolex Submariner, but I prefer the 16610 and for one reason only: because I think it's more beautiful. I think the oversized crownguards on the 116610LN look horrible. Anything 16xxx is a classic to me. But de gustibus non est disputandum....
Thanks for watching Gert.
The pleasure is mine Guy. Love your reviews
quidquid natat tua pinus I always say
I agree @Gert, the propotion of the 16610 is just perfect and discret
You are right, this is the best one
IMO, the 5 and 4 digit Subs are/were still tool watches, and were meant to worn by divers, and outdoors type vs the 6 digit which, while still a tool watch, is more meant for desk diving. I definitely prefer the 4 and 5 digit Subs better. And i wont try to convince you to change your mind, cause i hate when people do that to me!
haha, you can try to convince me!
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews i know i could. Im just lazy. Lol
The modern ceramic sub is stellar looking. I do believe the 16610 is a better beater watch though.
haha, I don't think I'd describe any Rolex as a beater.
I personally got the no date ceramic model. This watch I will give to my first son. My second watch which i plan on buying soon will go to my second son. Ive still to decide on which watch that would be. Probably a daytona or a gmt.
A Daytona would be pretty awesome.
Im at 75% leaning on a daytona 😉.
The best version is subjective. For me, esthetically speaking, The Explorer II ref. 216570 with a white dial looks better. If I had the money to buy a Submariner, I'd probably get the explorer 2 and a Ginault... 😁
I like the original case better, but I do like the ceramic bezel, maxi-dial, and modern Bracelet of the new one.
I've had a few white dial (Polar) Explorer II's and regret to this day parting with them for other watches … absolutely stunning watch …
I've never been a big Exp2 fan. Not a bad watch, but not my style.
The Supercase is simply stunning, especially those large lugs and beefy crown guards! Ceramic bezel is a winner in my book and the usefullness of the date is undeniable. So I most definately agree with you on this.
Thanks for watching.
I agree with you I have a Rolex sub no date ceramic best watch I have ever had a lot better made then the model that came before. So I can't change your mind 😀
Thanks for watching Mark!
1680 Red sub for the win. Timeless.
Anton Chigurgh yesssssssss!
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Pre-ceramic all day long. The last 14060M with the engraved rehaut is definitely on my list. It's modern and still looks like a tool watch. I love the durability of the ceramic but I don't like that it's glossy on the modern Sub. The 6 digit models look more like jewellery. Give me the smaller (and drilled) lugs that flow smoothly into the bracelet and more conservative markers over the maxi dial. I much prefer the tool-watch asthetic and I feel that 6 digit models have lost some of that charm.
Can’t go wrong with a classic 14060m. I’ll take the modern watch but could live with either.
My 116610LN is totally the boss of my collection. The 16700 Pepsi gets love but my Sub is just so perfect in every way.
Yeah my Sub gets the lion's share of my wrist time. It's hard to pick something else to wear day to day.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews My IWC Aquatimer gets the most wrist time. It’s on a rubber strap and takes a beating in the field at work. But I try to rotate the other pieces in here and there.
imho, i prefer the sub nd over the sub date or the hulk. Just the classic sub without any cyclops or date complication. 007 ;)
I'm definitely a date man. I love the cyclops.
Thanks for the video. Objectively the ceramic is better in every way. The clasp/bracelet on the preceramic is an embarrassment to a company like Rolex.
You know I've never really looked into it, what did other brands metal bracelet and clasp systems look like from the 80's and 90's? Were they much the same as what Rolex was doing or was Rolex playing catch up in that department?
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews good question?!
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews I know the bracelet & clasp on the 90's Seamaster was far superior. It had a milled clasp & solid end links
won't change your mind cuz I agree with everything you said. Great review thanks
Great minds think alike!
The finest Submariner, would be an early model, with the aluminium bezel.
Which watch would you like to own, a beautiful vintage Submariner, fully serviced with all boxes and paperwork, and DREAM OF DREAMS, a watch dating from the late 60s early 70s.
The watch has gone through many updates throughout the many years of its production, but a very early vintage example, that's the perfect watch for me.
The best would be preceramic with the bracelet from the most recent.
I just appreciated my Ginault OR2 :D
Great vid, had to reply to this one... but I had to wait to get ahold of my (almost) new Seadweller 16600 Z series in order to have some good counter points. I have gone through the Rolex journey from the ceramic sub to the explorer II, datejust, daydate, ect and now the 16600 from 2007. I believe, given an unbiased review this watch represents the pinnacle of Rolex sport watches. It's like the Porsche 911 air cooled turbos, you may like the features of the newer ones but the savvy collector would take a pass if you can only have one. Here is a list of the pros for the seadweller... aesthetic balanced dial, date without cyclops, 4000 ft diver, helium escape valve non portruding, heft without bulkiness, wears well under a cuff, raised and engraved caseback, 145 grams weight, oyster bracelet with SEL, secure and light clasp. I may be forgetting something but this a true tool watch with the iconic submariner design without the thick lugs. Have a test drive sometime and enjoy.
The preceramic Seadweller is an interesting model. I'll be honest though, I do prefer a cyclops on my Rolex Date watches.
14060 is the perfect SUBMARINER
Thanks for watching Mark.
Another great video and comparison! You clearly lay out the differences between old and new. $8,350 for a 16610? YIkes
If I had to guess, there's probably some wiggle room in that price. Although there are some on Chrono24 with even higher asking prices.
Agree on all points
Thanks for watching buddy.
I’d be happy with either but I’d pick the new one as well
Great minds think alike!
I have the new Submariner no date and like it a lot. I agree with all your opinions.
I love the ceramic sub. The vintage ones’ bracelets feel like seiko bracelets to me, just flimsy and cheap feeling
Yeah those older bracelets aren't great. Comfortable enough to wear, but not impressive.
For all the Rolex-bashing, there's no denying the Submariner's timeless rugged appeal.
Thanks for watching.
Another great review !
Thanks I appreciate it!
I had to make the same decision and went with the 6 digit. There was a better debate a few years ago where there was a decent price gap between the 2 models. Now, the prices are so close that I couldn't justify spending about the same money for a clearly inferior watch.
The big issue with the 6 digit model Sub is that it doesn't photograph as well. Off the wrist it just doesn't look as good. On the wrist or seeing it live on someone else it's fine. The older model has an elegance and classic look about it while the newer model doesn't shy away from its tooly roots. The Maxi dial is true to the vintage models.
My Sub comes tomorrow so we'll see how I learn to live with it. Ultimately though, aesthetics is the only debate. The new models are clearly superior in build quality. The older bracelets are embarrassing, even back in day Omega came out with the Seamaster bracelet that put Rolex' to shame.
As far as vintage, I'd love to own a 5512 or 5513 one day. I love the non-applied maxi markers and purity of the old true tool watches. My ultimate grail is the 6538 Connery Submariner but no holding my breath on that one. lol
I made that same point in my big review while back, the modern ceramic Sub doesn't look good in pictures. At first before having really spent much time with them I thought they looked a little weird. Everything changed once I got it in my hands though.
I agree wholeheartedly. So far.
Thanks for watching.
Remember the watch was built to be a tool, put a 5 digit sub on and in a couple minutes you don't even realize its on your wrist until you needed it, the hollow inner links were built to be lighter on the wrist and the case lug holes were there to change out a strap or bracelet really fast. Funny the watch worked 40+ years for real working drivers and the bracelet, endlinks & clasp held up just fine, Somewhere along the line this watch became less of a tool watch and more of prestigious piece... I love the older case because it shows off the dial and just a sleek looking piece, the newer case is a big block and the only reason it was built was to make the watch look bigger than it really is, good example of that is the new Sea Dweller at 43mm it went back to the classic case? Bezels, I'm old school and really like the aluminum inserts better, call me crazy but the ceramic looks to be plastic and way too shiny and nothing wrong with a little wabi or the aluminum insert can be had from an AD way cheaper than guys on ebay selling them at crazy prices! Got to admit the new clasp is simply stunning and the bracelet is nice and who doesn't like SEL! All my Rolex subs, or GMT Master have had the older bracelet and I never had a problem with them, the newest Rolex I ever owned I bought brand new in 1999 and was a U serial with luminova, everything before it were from late 70's, 80's and early 90's.. Guess if I had to choose one it would be like the last year of the 5 digit subs but I wouldn't turn done the block case mainly because of the clasp, in a perfect world think I would prefer the new 43mm Sea Dweller with its classic shaped case.. Great review of pros & cons of both styles!!
Thanks for watching Trevor and valid points for why the 5 digit Sub could be preferable to the SubC.
the newer rolex i would go for its a bit better i think... thanks good review
Great minds think alike, thanks for watching TinBin.
I've been watching the video for 5 minutes now, and I still have no clue which is the one with aluminum bezel and which is the ceramic. Gosh!
Never mind
Thanks for watching.
Outstanding review. You have an awesome attention to detail and you compare/describe the differences perfectly. I prefer the ceramic version as well and for the same reasons. You pinpointed why the older one is a lil off for me when comparing them side by side - thank you for these reviews!
Thanks for watching and the feedback.
Newer Rolex for sure.
Thanks for the content .
Thank you!
There's something about the fatter lugs and blingy bezel of the 116610 that bothers me.
I prefer the skinnier lugs, drilled holes and more subdued aluminum bezel of the 16610.
I understand the ceramic is more durable, but I like patina on my bezel with time.
I'm no fan of a worn out looking bezel insert.
To each his own.. I removed the stock insert and replaced it with an aftermarket. I figure if I sell it in the future, not everyone will think the way I do. Although, I really have an itch for the SD4000.
I think there are several models (especially today) that would qualify as "better" than the 116610LN.
1. The 114060. Not having a date complication means it has no cyclops, is a 12 hour watch, is cheaper, and is more balanced.
2. The 116600. I know it's not a Submariner, it's a Sea-Dweller, but it's pretty much the same size, doesn't have the super case, doesn't have the cyclops, has full bezel gradations, 4x the depth rating, and a Helium Escape Valve to boot.
3. The 124060. It's the 114060 without the super case, but didn't exist when this video was made.
4. The 126610LN. Same as the 124060, but with a date complication.
5. The 116610LV. The Hulk. It's green.
6. The 126610LV. The Cermit. It's got a green bezel, but again, didn't exist when this video was made.
And some like the nostalgia of the aluminum bezel Submariners. I agree they aren't necessarily "better" than the 116610LN. Each new model brings improvements, so the latest models should always be technically better than the previous models.
I was able to get a 124060 from an AD in the depths of Covid. I just bought it instantly. So I had the 40 and 41. The super case had been driving me nuts for yrs but the 41 wears so much bigger and flatter. I started to hate both and long for 5 digit proportions. Anyway, I sold both.
Now 3 years later I just bought a pristine 116610 from 2016. I despise the 41 but have been missing the 40.
Big lugs. A more crowded dial. Better made too. No dip in the dial at the center and the bezel is aligned bang on.
Better in your humble opinion!
The 116610ln super case is a beefer, more masculine looking piece. The super case model and the 41mm wear just about the same. Most people would have to have a side by side comparison to tell them apart, and look much more like each than the 5 digit reference ever will.
The Seadweller increased waterproof rating is irrelevant. No one NEEDS more than 300 meter rating. Since most owners dive no deeper than the deep end of the pool.
A green colored bezel is gawdy and is not as versatile in matching your attire.
The 5 digit variants are inferior in every measurable metrix.
So all your points are subjective in nature, which is fine. I subjectively like the super case the most and feel it is the best iteration of the Submariner ever.
Since it's been discontinued, it's the last of the 40mm Submariners, which no other model can ever claim!
Great video, subbed (no pun intended) because of this one
Thanks for joining the Sub-Club haha!
I love all but current generation cyclops or sans is my favorite.
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SubC is the best for now, it's going to change when they'll update the movement since the current one is a bit dated.
I've wondered when the new 3235 movement will make its way into the Submariner. My complete shot in the dark guess is 2023, since it's an anniversary year, but it might get rolled out into precious metals versions in the year or two leading up to that.
I think it will be sooner than later, discontinuing the Hulk and update of SubC. Who knows with Rolex :)
Do you like the sub better or the Batman ?
I love the Hulk first and foremost, followed closely by the Seadweller; however, I'd love any yummy Rolex if I didn't have to pay for it. 😂🤣
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IMHO the super case is too big and obscene would be ideal if it was sized at 36mm. The bigger case, the bigger hands and maxi dail are just so "in your face!" They should have built it same size as the Tudor Black Bay 58 retaining the nice coke bottle curves of the 16610.
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Not that I could sniff either one but I do prefer the ceramic dial version. Cheers!
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No date, pre-ceramic is the one to get!
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I like the date, and definitely agree though on the preceramic non super case subs!!
Well said
DATE FOR LIFE!!!
Only use of the day wondow is when people buy milk in a supermarket.
The best Submariner is the Sea-Dweller. It's been like this for 50 years no matter what generation you look at. The SD is a Super Sub by design.
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I have a feeling that the upcoming sub will be equipped with 3235 movement. probably, a year or 2.
My guess is the 3235 will be in all Submariners by 2023, the anniversary year, and will probably begin to roll out in precious metal versions a year or two prior to that.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews im planning to buy a 114060 no date sub maybe this year or next year depending on availability. Is it ok to buy at that time? Or just wait for the new movement? Like 3235 i suppose..
I'd buy the model available when you're able to. The 3135 is an outstanding movement, I don't think a new movement is coming in the next year anyway, and when they do release a new model with that movement the waitlists are going to be ridiculous - unless you have a friend at an AD you probably won't be able to buy one anyway.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews you're right, highly doubt that the new upcoming sub model will pike up the price too.. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Cheers🍺
In terms of investment its the 16610 so far
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I agree, although i like the submariner better than the submariner date.
Date is life!
@@JustBlueFish :D I honestly think that the previous generation of the submariner looks a bit like a toy compared to the new one^^
Great video. Couldn't agree with you more. Never regretted purchasing mine. Was fortunate in getting mine pre-owned just before the Rolex steel sports shortage BS started.
I agree. The current modern six digit is my favorite sub model. I appreciate your review as I know it may not be a popular view to have.
The latest case looks much better
I prefer it too.
Modern version: has to be the ceramic bluesy....
That's a nice version for sure.
lugs aside, why does the 6 digit look so much bigger than 5 digit? like it has a bigger face. is it the ceramic that's giving that illusion?
Green or black???
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114060 is the way to go.
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The Sub is still resting on it's laurels....good marketing. Having been used in the Bond films starring the late Sean Connery.....in the process Rolex hasn't done anything spectacular to make it stand out nor even stay in-step with other dive watches. The subs STILL DO NOT includea
That’s not a Submariner, that’s a Submariner Date. Lose the date and you’re golden
Date for life.
@@JustBlueFish Sure, it has its purpose, but it's called a Submariner Date. The real deal has no date. I like date wheels but not the cyclops personally.
jdl 96 Irrelevant. The true Submariner is the no-date version. Who cares how much something sells. The Honda Civic sells way better than a McLaren, does that make it better? Foolish.
It is the best submariner, but not the best diver watch out there, it still looks a bit utilitarian for a luxury brand like Rolex
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that bezel 12 o'clock lume, tho...
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Bleh, cyclops...
I'll take a Sea Dweller triple 6 over any Sub any day.
Too big for me, but I don't fault you.
The latest iteration of the submariner is the best made Submariner, but aesthetically the worst. The proportions are way off. If Rolex wanted to follow the trend of larger watches, they should have done what they did with the Explorer 2. Too big in my opinion but proportional. Long live the 16610!
It will be very interesting to see what, if anything, Rolex does when they roll out a new version - in regards to the proportions of the case.
Just get the Steinhart Ocean 39 Ceramic and you get the best of both. Wait, hold the flames. I readily admit I'm a clueless fool. I just don't get the Rolex thing. Never will.
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Current generation but with le lugs of the last. Date/no date pick what you like ;)
The best version of the Submariner is the one thats on wrist.
I like the way you think.
True.... if you have one, you’re probably not broke.
@@CurtisL8.3066 I've heard of some people that go broke by getting one. My dealer told me that I wouldn't believe how some people finance them and then just make the minimum payment.
damachine3 well if you get it at current interest rates, it’s actually a smarter play to finance the high end goods and invest your cash at a higher rate. But I dig what you’re saying.
@@CurtisL8.3066 I have an MBA in finance and I couldn't agree more. I tell people that all of the time. However, my bigger point was that some people are forced to finance these watches since they don't have the cash and they cannot afford the payments regardless of the interest rate. My wife made me pay cash for all of my watches since she despises debt. I told her that some debt is smart debt (which she knows well), but she has scars from a dad that was over leveraged in her childhood. I have purchased nine Rolex watches in the last 6 months, and 8 of them are very hard to get through a dealer...yet I purchased all of mine through my dealer (retail price and no sales tax doesn't suck). If I sell these watches, then buying them would end up being a better investment than just about anything I could do in the market. That said, I'm planning on keeping them. ;)
Preceramic just look better, the ceramic bezel has a shiny, cheap look.
Ceramic is definitely highly glossy.
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