Mass Effect 3 - Keeping Mordin Alive Paragon
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2012
- I'm tired of everyone talking about his death, whether you killed him or not but if you have a high enough reputation, you can save him from dying and he won't cure the genophage, there are both Paragon and Renegade options for it depending on your alignment. Wrex if he's alive finds out but Wreav is too stupid to realize it, This video shows you how to save Mordin.
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When he shouts "I made a mistake!" that legit sent chills down my spine.
I've never heard Mordin yell before. Hearing him yell like that jolted me the first time.
@@RavenholmZombie It's not the yelling that gets me. It's what he says. "I made a mistake"
"I"
The moment you realized how serious Mordin was.
I made him a steak
Mordin lifetime’s worth of guilt condensed in four words
If Wreav is in charge fuck em, if Wrex is in charge... I just can't do this
Actually a prerequisite of saving Mordin by doing this is Wrex had to have died on Virmire during ME1. So if Wrex is alive during ME3 there's no way to save Mordin.
Yeah, if Wrex or Eve is alive, then Mordin will sacrifice himself to cure the krogan unless you kill him to stop it. Wreav alone is the only circumstance where he's willing to let the genophage continue.
But if Wrex and Eve are both alive, then there's a damn good chance that the krogan would actually become peaceful members of galactic civilization.
Kit Clarke Nope. The keystone is Eve.
Wrex + Eve alive - Mordin cannot be saved, and you can only stop him from curing the genophage by shooting him yourself (you monster).
Wreav + Eve alive - same thing. At least I've never gotten an option to talk him down, he seems to think Eve can hold Wreav in check.
Wreav only - you can charm or dominate him to not die (or shoot him, you monster).
Wrex only -- I'm not sure on this one and I don't have a save file to go check - I *thought* if Eve was dead you could still talk him down because you convince him that Wrex alone can't hold back the lesser natures of the Krogen.
araeshkigal
No she isn't, if either Wrex or Eve is alive, you can't save Mordin. the key is not Eve being alive, it's Wreav having all the power.
Actually, no. If Eve is dead and Wrex is alive, you can save Mordin, but Wrex will find out about the Deception and try to kill you.
What Mordin said: “Need to disappear to maintain deception”
What Mordin meant: “BioWare doesn’t really think anyone will pick this so I have to disappear”
Its the best choice more people should.
@@Ahglock realistically (as in , if this was real life) , yea this would be the best choice. a species that can lay 1000 eggs each year and lives to 1000 simply can't sustain their growth. in 100 years , they would overrun the galaxy regardless of who governs them. When his people start starving and revolting , does anyone trully believe that 2 people alone (wrex and bakara) can keep them in line ?
And what happens when those 2 die ? is there any guarantee that their successors will hold the same values ?
In univers tho , if i have wrex alive , i'm probably curing the genophage because wrex is a bro
@@mihai000000 Shit dude.... if I knew the krogan females lay 1000 eggs each year and live to be 1000 years old I wouldn't have cured the genophage in my playthrough.......
@@Crunch630 Yeah but keep in mind, if the crucible went wrong and there was a war of attrition, only krogan could've stood a chance. The war would have lasted a few hundred years as was the case with protheans, and krogan would reach formidable numbers.
Krogan gives the second largest amount of war assets, the only war asset that has more than them is systems alliance.
If it's Wreav and no Eve: sabotage
If it's Wrex with Eve: Just don't
And If wrex is dead from mass effect 1?
@@hissraxthegreat6189 If Wrex is dead it means Wreav will be leader.
There's only one good moral choice for sabotage: Wreav as leader and Eve dead. All others circumstances, better not sabotage
@@hissraxthegreat6189 fool
Even with Eve alive if Wreav is the leader I would still not cure them. Too risky to let Wreav have the cure.
@@xenon8117 Wreav needs an army for his vengeance, Eve makes it clear that she'll not allow him to have influence over the young, even use her influence to ensure the other females will refuse to have children if necessary which leaves Wreav grumbling like a kicked puppy. There might be a mess later on, but it will be a dying gasp of the old and embittered and not a campaign of vengeance carried on by the youth.
"Someone else might have gotten it wrong."
That line is used in every scenario, but ALWAYS has a different meaning....
Damn. You can really make the case this is the best classic Bioware got, and then they rushed much of the rest of the game (even the replacement for Mordin, Padok Wiks, who nobody ever sees, is the best "replacement" character, during this arc.) It's like a TNG Klingon episode where all that "choice!" stuff is actually relevant and fascinatingly done.
The writing throughout this series was top notch.
@@gibberconfirm166 I'll die on the hill of this being Bioware's best classic.
@@gibberconfirm166I know you comment is a year old, but speaking of Padok Wiks I plan to do a play through where I save Padok instead of Mordin, in turn Mordin dies in the suicide mission and Padok becomes a farmer
@@A_Random_IRS_B0T_your* but yeah this was lowkey too sad, added more tears to my breakdown
If Wrex and Eve and both alive, I'll save the Krogan anytime. But with Wreav alone leading them? Yeah no, they can't be allowed to run rampant through the Galaxy once again.
Exactly.
To keep Mordin alive. You basically had to have screwed up so much that Wreave was left in charge. Giving him no other logical choice but, to hold off on the cure.
@@donovanb9020 and one of those screw ups is killing Wrex on Virmire 😑. And I think if Wrex is still alive and you DIDN'T cure the genophage, he will later find you and try to kill you
@@KRGraphicsCG A viable solution is to deliberately miss out meeting Wrex to begin with in ME1. If you didn't recruit Wrex, you wouldn't come to the stand off between you and him. And Wreav would be the leader in ME2.
@@renseiryuu I haven't even thought of that. Wrex is one of my favorite Mass Effect characters and even the stand off on Virmire bothered me
@@KRGraphicsCG Hahaha, yeah, I also feel missing out on ME2 and ME3 without Wrex around. Yet to get this part of the story without killing him, this is the only viable means, story-wise
2:31 Nothing like a piece of reality breaking rubble to add to the drama.
lol ikr
I feel sorry for those that accidentally chose this option in their first playthrough. Mordins death was easily the most emotional part of the whole series, left me in complete shock.
You're wrong, Thane Krios on his death bed is easily the most emotional part of the whole series. Instead of thinking about himself in his final hours, minutes, he is thinking of Shepard.
Guess that's subjective, but I still consider Mordin desperately trying to fix a mistake he's been justifying for years, then finally having that moment of relief right before death knowing he made things right will get me everytime. Thanes death is still right up there as one of the most emotional moments in the series, but Mordins death still takes the cake for me.
That's how I feel too, not counting the conversation Shepard and Garrus have about going to heaven together. Thane's death scene just wrecked me.
I agree, to be fair though I am someone who always loves the scientist in games/anime so Mordin is one of my favorites but to the people who already replied to you he is tied with Thane with Garrus just inches behind.
Both got me but Mordin was an emotional surprise where as Thane's death you knew was coming how it came was yes emotional but it just sped up the inevitable.
For me the most emotional scene is the peace between Quariens and Geth when Tali says "Legion the answer to your question is: Yes." "I know creator 'Zorah. Kheelah se'lai." and then it shuts down. Mordins sacrifice is a close second.
'Oly shit Mordin yelling that he was wrong hit me pretty hard!
+Oldsong69 Me too. He hardly almost never yells. But THAT was upsetting.
+Oldsong69 I agree, even when I cure it, I don't reveal the sabotage, as I don't see the point. Starting the path for sabotage and then curing is better, because Mordin shows raw emotion, admitting he was wrong. I really like that dialogue.
+Oldsong69 Im glad it effected you that well, but all I heard him say sounded to me like "I Made Him A Steak!"
me too! mordin is my best friend in 2
JKAProductions1 steak Liara. I think about when there's so much steak. I fucking love steak.
People always talk about how Mordin's death always makes them cry, but I'd say 1:47 hearing him shout "I made a MISTAKE!" is also a contender. His character is built around his confidence and (albeit frantic and rambly) relative calmness... hearing him break and admit just plain old messing up at this point is intense.
As much as Mordin's death killed me (and I mean KILLED me; I bawled my eyes out for a good 20 minutes) I think it's better he died curing the genophage for a number of reasons. Salarians only live to be about 40 years old. Although Mordin's exact age isn't known he often makes comments about how he's "getting old". I think it's clear, on that basis, that he's somewhere in his mid to late 30s. He regretted his work on the genophage; or rather, in his words, he wanted to "fix" it. "Regrets nothing. Can only move forward." In curing the genophage ... he died a redeemed hero. An old salarian, and friend, who was able to fix his only regret.
except if its wreav (i only cured it when wreav was alive because of eve
I got the right circumstances to cure the genophage wrex lives eve lives
:)
but if i ever make a game where eve dies and wrex is dead ... im not curing it :(
*****
Both Wrex and Eve pledged to keep it under control. They said they only wanted a few uninhabited planets (which is a small price to pay for saving the galaxy) and that the krogan wouldn't make the same mistake as before. If not for that, I wouldn't have had any problem with keeping the genophage in place. But everyone deserves a second chance. The krogran were manipulated and then cast aside like broken weapons. They wanted revenge for a long time, but the females and Wrex have long since abandoned that viewpoint. I don't believe they have any interest in conquering the galaxy anymore.
I wish you could see the choices of other players for major decisions like this one. They did that in Walking Dead and Catherine. It's always interesting to see how popular your choices were.
lostn65 there actually is a visual on that
@@waylo0820 No there isn't, liar.
@@jarlsamuelvonwolfensteinth3684 yes there is you're just too dumb to find it lol
@@waylo0820 No there isn't stop spreading false information.
@@jarlsamuelvonwolfensteinth3684 no you.
You could tell over little bits of conversation in mass effect 2 and 3 that Mordin really did regret the genophage, and until this point he never admits it, What a powerful scene this is
+absolutezero1000 Agreed. Some dislike how Mordin's mistake line felt crammed in there just to make him more compassionate (and let this cool cutscene play out), but I always thought that Mordin felt bad about his decision deep down. He just always intellectualizes it to everyone including himself. He always tries to explain and justify his decision, and ignore his inner doubts. His realization and heel-face turn made him even more compelling, at least for me (and you).
Some of the decisions you have to make are very tough and you could argue one way or another which is the more moral thing to do. I would like to see Bioware instead of the top option being Paragon and the bottom option being Renegade, to not clearly label which is paragon and which is renegade. Let the player who thinks they are pure paragon decide based on the choice itself by themself, not by where it is positioned on the wheel.
I'd love that idea, if it weren't for the fact that A: so many responses depend on prior responses in a paragon or renegade manner(really hard to be a paragon when 1/4th of the way through the game all the paragon options are blanked out), and B: often times what shepard says and what the wheel implies are not really related. At all.
A decent solution would be to significantly reduce the amount of paragon points are necessary for all scenarios, so you can get away with less paragon points. If you did that, this would be an extremely amazing change, since right now everyone just goes all renegade or all paragon, limiting yourself to essentially two shepards. With this chance you could have dozens of potential shepards!
Maybe throw in an easter egg or two for someone with full paragon/renegade scores. But don't base the entire game on it, not when you claim the game gives you meaningful choices.
demiserofd I agree. What's written on the wheel is very different to what he actually says, which is why I have trouble playing Renegades. The responses on the wheel sound very douchy and undiplomatic. But when you actually choose them, it's not that bad at all. The tone is much more negative on the wheel than in reality.
I'd like interrupts to not be color coded. Shooting a bad guy to save someone else should not be considered a Renegade action. I mean letting them shoot first and kill someone when you could have prevented it would be even worse right? But because I tried to be pure, I didn't take renegade interrupts. That and the fact that a lot of the time they give you no context on what is actually going to happen.
I say randomize the positions on the wheel which give paragon points and which give renegade. If you understand the differences between the two you should have no trouble figuring out which is which. It's when the difficult choices need to be made that you aren't sure, and in those instances, we shouldn't have the game clearly label it for us.
lostn65
I agree. I would also like no meter, no lable at all, simply have the options, but don´t call them "good or evil" "Paragon or Renegade"...just have them.
I played paragrade. Usually good aligned but when push comes to shove, not too knightly to threaten a guy or shoot an asshole or punch a ninja assasin dude in the face for revenge.
congokong87
Which is why I would have preferred no lables at all. The "Paragon" and "Renegade" labels, and that the paragon option is always on top, the renegade on the bottom, and the neutral in the middle is a grade A mistake in a morality system. You should be questioning your motives and the consequences before deciding, not going "welp, I´m playing a paragon shepard so I pick the top answer, get my paragon points and damn the consequences."
Without a label or a clear way of identifying what is the "good" and what is the "bad" option, morality systems work much better, they make you question the situation at hand instead of confirming to which gives you the preferred points to spend. Sure, some questions and choices where VERY gray and grey morality wise, but that doesn´t change the fact that the player KNOWS the Paragon option is good, and the renegade option is bad...
Also, Paragon is unity, you are a paragon of your race and therefore make allies that will inevitably help you, while renegade is strife, alienating others and driving them away from you and each other...it´s not good and bad, but with intergalactic warfare, what do you think is "better"...obviously unity is a good thing.
Chrinik If that's the point you're making, then I agree completely. It was what I originally suggested. Paragon and Renegade should not even be defined at all. Interrupts should not have a symbol, there should be no red or blue option on the wheel, and where they appear on the wheel should be randomized each time. It should just be your decisions your consequences, no bar telling you which side you veered towards, except maybe in the end credits. And then your major decisions like genophage, and quarian/geth resolution should be compared to what everyone else did.
People need to understand that people like Mordin,Thane,and Legion hell Shepard they died for a greater cause then just "saving themselves" yes its a hard reality to live with but they believed their sacrifice was not a waste which it wasn't.
But... my Shepard didn't die.. man I cant wait for the next game to clear all of the different endings up. RIP Legion and EDI.. maybe Joker will bring EDI back to life.
See this is what i mean. In the real world there is no "Bring back to life" You have to just deal with it. All those who died on Thessia are really dead no amount of made up bs is bringing them back. I let my Sheperd die because it was the right thing to do after all that happened during that ending in particular how put together do you think Sheperd really is after all that physically and mentally. I let her go and had her fulfull her final badass job. And HELL YA! i cant wait for the new one it better hav different race Protagonist like dragon age or ill be pissed.
n543576 Well EDI isnt a organic, finding her lifeless shell and hooking it up to a battery shouldnt be so bad.. Hackett said they can rebuild everything that was lost.. but anyway in the new Mass Effect, their ends will probably be codex we can read on.. I just want to read that my Shepard got with Liara and had little blue children :)
She wasn't some machine at the end of the game she truly became a fully aware being im sure joker wouldn't want some carbon copy of the women he loved brought back like that. And im sure you do but i doubt you'll ever ge it from a true Bioware story sorry man that's how war is people who you dont want to die passes away. And it's not fair but we should at least respect what they are and what they did instead of what we want.
I felt Thane got totally shafted in terms of an impressionable death. Over here you've got Legion entering the Matrix and dying for the geth, combining synthetic and organic life forever, Mordin atoning for his sins and saving the Krogan from a 1,000 year old curse, and Thane...got a stab wound from defending the bitchy old dalatrass? 0.o
Even then I don't mind having a more subdued ending, if everyone died heroically it would have gotten dull, but instead of leaving this bittersweet impression of a great assassin being cut down, I'm left feeling like, "Oh, well, umm...he was gonna die anyway...?" >.> #aliencancer
(Though I will admit stabbing Kai Leng in the gut felt pretty damn good.)
... Trust me No one wants mordin alive more then me... In ME2 i used him every single time in my squad plus i kinda was crushing on him bad but... now that i've seen the way to keep him alive... No way I would change my decision... He needed this inner peace to atone for his sins and to just keep lying and tricking the krogan would have been bad for him i just know it. Atleast he cured the Genophage... Eve survives in mine and rules with Rex. Thanks for everything Mordin you were awesome
I'm late and this is extremely selfish and breaks my heart to say, as much as it broke yours to give him up...But I am of the mind that one life with more significance to me weighs more than however many hundreds I do not even know. If for example, I had to pick my best friend living or a genophage cure...Best friend. Sure I'd lose sleep, but my heart would be a little more full. And with the war Shep is facing he or she needs every bit of mental stability they can have.
Mordin was cool. I almost cried when he died. I felt worse when I lost Tali at the end of 3 cause I liked her a lot.
hurts that you can't save Wrex and Mordin
Whilst Mordin lives here I still don't think it's what he would have wanted... he would have to live with that guilt never righting his wrongs. For me Mordin died but he will always be my scientist salarian ;('
But he will go on to cure the Genophage (long as the ending goes well)
I think he'd get over it. He stood by his actions all throughout ME2, so at least a large part of him believes what he did was right.
Ozymandias916 He specifically says it was the right decision at the time. But now he doesn't and he views it as inhumane.
@@AvoozlPlays 7 years… 7 long years and you draw me back for this? I have a wife now, I’m a loving father to my 2.3 children, what gives you the right, the sheer audacity to comment on this thread, like some insane warlock trying to reawaken the memory of a dark eldrich god. Covid? World war 3 on our doorstep? The world is ending and you bring me back for this?!?!? You know what I stand by my convictions, I truly believe that much like this comment Mordin should be allowed to die in peace… good day to you sir!
Yeah you saved your friend. But you had to commit genocide to do it. That doesn't sound very paragon to me. Mordin's sacrifice was nobel. You hear in his voice how much he hated his choice to continue the genophage. The Krogan are far from saints. But to wipe them out entirely is wrong. We heard how the genophage turned them against each other and started infighting and war. Imagine getting pregnant every year and every time the baby is stillborn. That's a level of suffering no one should ever have to have.
The genophage doesn't wipe them out. Instead it allows only 1 in 1000 children to survive with actual births far externding that number. That is the Krogans continue reproducing but on less ammounts. Also, you don't just save Mordin but you get the Salarian fleet to your side. Both of them powerful war assets.
Konstantinos Foutzopoulos That means for every Krogan born there are 999 stillborn children. At the rate Krogan fight, there's no way they could continue as a species with that fertility rate. In Mass Effect 2 they mentioned how desperate females were to get pregnant that they subjected themselves to experimentation. I'm not saying the choice is very clear cut but keeping the genophage is the worst of the two. You have to lie in the faces of the Krogan leaders so that they'll fight along side you against the reapers. Knowing full and well that you didn't fix them. Sure you get the Salarian Fleet on your side but at what cost? There is a part in the game where Garrus asks if all we do is cruel math. Sacrifice a 100 here to save 200 elsewhere. But Shepard replies if we become that cold, then how different are we than the reapers?
Also Mordin mentioned how this is all their fault anyway. Krogan society was in it's infancy when the council races gave them space ships and guns. That's like if we went back in time and gave vikings or spartan's jet planes and nuclear bombs.
Vict0r1984 I'm sorry is there an internet law that when you dissagree with someone on the internet you have to be insulting. Don't get me wrong I can see your logic but a couple of things. 1. Why is Wrex dead? Did you kill him in the first game? Wouldn't you get just as pissed if someone was planning on taking down a group of people looking to destroy a cure to a disease killing your planet? 2. You forget about Eve. Krogan women seem to be much smarter than the men. She's leading them down a path, not of violence but peace. The Krogan can build up their population as much as they want but they can't take new worlds without approval of the council. They can self regulate. Any klan that tries to take a new world will have Wrex to answer to. Mass Effect is a brilliant series because you have the option to commit Genocide multiple times. And each time it's a tough choice. Did you kill the Rachni (they were just as dangerous as Krogan), Did you wipe out the Geth (also dangerous and unpredictable), did you let the Quarian's die(in return for Geth Armies). None of the choices are easy. But that's the point. Sometimes doing the right thing is the tougher choice.
Exactly people are talking like robots ''This was the right thing'' because Mordin said in ME2 it was(funny how they don't listen to him now)...Even when Wrex and Eve lives people kill krogans in a blink of an eye just because their mistakes 1000 years ago.Everyone deserves a second chance...Plus the funny thing is %99 of people who killed Krogan race also Killed Quarian race while they could achieve peace...What an interesting connection...Harbinger should thank them they are doing the reapers jobs
Vict0r1984 Sorry if i wasn't clear;i agree with TheRepty818 and i believe krogan deserves the cure
I made him a STEAK!
What happens on Tuchanka, stays on Tuchanka.
I fucking love steak.
SHIT YOU GUESSED VETRA ROMANCE 1 YEAR EARLY
I made him a Steak!
Nice! I fucking love steak.
oh god, these gold comments XD
Hearing Mordin's "I made a MISTAKE!" Was just... wow. I never did this before, who knew Mordin could be so... angry. I mean I knew he was guilty over it but DAMN... hearing that emotion vocalized. It's powerful.
Do want to keep Mordin alive, he's my favourite Mass Effect character. However I do think his death carries more dramatic weight.
I'm glad I was able to keep Wrex alive on Virmire. I also chose to save the cure data, despite playing as a renegade. I felt I owed it, to Wrex for destroying the cure on Virmire. I may be a renegade, but I have a heart when it comes to my friends.
I hate wen Mordin die i feel sad but i still believe in my decision he die as a hero and was really dramatic
I get you. Perhaps if Wreav was the leader of Krogan and Eve died during your playthorugh I would understand the decision to hault the Krogan cure but in mine Wrex was Leader Eve lived so the future was bright and Mordin made it better
homunculus7 Or not... Who knows.
I gotta believe Mordin's death was a good thing for a good cause... Otherwise I will start crying every single time I sing the song.
~I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari and Batarian... I'm quite good at genetics (As a subsect of biology) because I am an expert (Which I know its a Tautology)... My Xenoscience studies range from Urben to Agrarian! I AM THE MODEL OF A SCIENTIST SALARIAAN!~
homunculus7 Yeah the first time i cry with a game... is good believe that because if you keep him alive is like mk... Or if you kill him but is... what kind of monster do that
homunculus7 When he went up and was fixing the computer I was choked up but when he started singing that song I got to know him by in mass effect 2 I started to cry... its very emotional
Forget the Reapers, who gonna save the galaxy from this Shepard? God damn.
+Clover Joker This Shepard may have stopped a second krog rebellion. Without wrex or bakara alive there is no one around to stop wreav from leading the krog into a revenge war.
+Anthony Williams Sorry, but I let Wrex live and with him as their leader (and being an honest bastard) with Bakara (Eve) together i can see them evolving back to what they were. Eve even says that before technology (the uplifting by the salarians) the krogan were relativly peaceful and honorable. Only when the krogan were shown guns had they forgotten what honor actually meant. There's a reason why the Mass Effect games are my all time favorite.
With Wrex and Eve dead, this was the best choice. But in my play through both Eve and Wrex survived, and it was Wreave who ended up dead, so curing the genophage was the right call. It all depends on how you play it. Going renegade on the first two games was perfectly fine, but in the third game going renegade just means you're going to have to stab a few of your old friends in the back, unfortunately.
@@draves8953 up lift? They nuked themselves into planetary extinction BEFORE the salarians met them. The shroud was built purposedly to repair the atmosphere as a gesture of good will.
The fact that this scenario can play out so many different ways, and they're all logical, and morally justifiable ... it's an amazing achievement of writing.
Did anyone else notice the random shirnking debris at 2:30? Right near Mordin's face, it just falls, stops, and shrinks. I laughed my ass off!
Logic!
Space Age Technology!
Ironmaniacs7 Yeah, I noticed that! XD
The force seems strong with this one!
This is exactly what I would've done if Wrex had been killed. Although, I could never let Wrex die in ME1.
Same, WREX is one of my favourite character, just behind Garrus, he's a badass Krogam with both a brain and a heart.
+Zane Epps I didn't even *know* you could let Wrex die until much, much later. My paragon/renegade score was always as maximized as possible by the time dealing with him comes around. But next playthrough, I'll kill him, let Eve die (by destroying Maelon's work), and thus secure both the salarians' and krogans' support, as well as keep Mordin alive.
you can just not recruit him in me1 for the same effect
I still love Mordin's character development, you just see that his guilt was eating away at him gradually.
Mordín did a “understandable, have a great day.”
He wanted to help krogans, he wanted to undo his own mistake, he lived with constant guilt and was ready to die in order to save the entire race. And you made him feel even more shitty than he felt before. Mordin deserves to die a hero, not to live as a cheater and coward.
Except he doesn't live as a cheater and coward. He maintains all knowledge of the cure for use after the Reapers, assists in building the Crucible to stop them, and doesn't risk the entire Galaxy living under a looming Krogan shadow during its recovery. Even with Wrex & Eve alive, it'd take a long time for the Krogan to stabalize, especially when even Wrex is looking forward to aggressive Krogan expansion to recouperate from the Genophage. As much as we all love Wrex, and as influencial as Eve is, they are not a guarantee that every Krogan will think like they do.
FlorenceBouvier Tbh, with Wreav in charge and Eve dead, this is the best option possible. The genophage cure didnt get destroyed, it can still be distributed to the Krogan eventually when someone more reasonable is in charge and atm, having as many people fighting the Reapers is top priority, because the genophage wont matter if the whole galaxy goes extinct...
RopeDrink I disagree with that, Krogan have strong sense of honor and the respect due to the leader who cured their entire race from the genophage, who is also supported by first female shaman cured from it is gonna hold them back.
Plus with Council giving them a bigger place in galactic society and warbounds formed while fighting the Reapers, animosity with the other species is bound to be reduced (as shown in the ending anyway if you chose to cure the genophage). Anyway Wrex is not an idiot, you cant fool him if you take the Salarian deal, so you just betray a friend for nothing and lose a strong ally against the Reapers doing that...
You can disagree with it all you like. No one-Krogan (with or without a Shaman support) will control every other Krogan in the galaxy - it is simply not possible. They would influence the majority, yes, but even with them in charge, a very real shadow still looms over everyone seeing as the Krogans are free to expand in and outside of that circle however they please. They reproduce so much that anyone who thinks Wrex/Eve alone will keep Krogan in check clearly aren't too familiar with ME lore.
This isn't about honour or intelligence. I have no idea why that was even raised.
RopeDrink Majority is good enough to give the Krogan that chance. If Wrex and Eve has support and backing from majority of their species, then segment that doesnt want to fall in line will be dealt with and/or isolated. Urdnot Clan was already the dominating force on Tuchanka even before he cured the genophage (just out of the respect gained when Wrex killed a Treasher Maw in his Rite of Passage, so yes, honor and respect are important factors in Krogan society)..
Those I can see rebelling would be Blood Pack mercenaries for example, but how is it different from what Cerberus was for humans or Heretics for the geth. Every species have their trouble makers, but at least you didnt participate to genocide because a portion might not want to cooporate.
With Wreav in charge, I agree that its just shortsighted to cure them now, but not with Wrex and Eve alive...
It's fucking incredible how a combination of a choice you make in the first game (killing Wrex) and a choice you make in the second game (destroying the genophage research instead of saving it) has a unique consequence in the third game! I can't think of any other series of games (or a single game for that matter) that takes so many choices into account and have a plan for every single combination of choices! It's incredible!
Bioware is amazing for that, totally a unique gaming experience. I've been a gamer most of my life. I'm 26 and just got into this game...the choices, the many choices this trilogy has to offer is huge. I suspect the next Mass Effect game will be quite hard for Bioware to progress our Shepherds choices, seeing as they have to remember our choices at every opportunity as a reminder and having new choices aswell. Still, let's hope the time they are spending is creating an amazing storyline with reasonable consequences, and of course romance scenes with aliens will be better
@@alexh6767and hopefully they work on all the romances and don’t make Liara the center of attention I think we need to see Tali’s face in actual cutscene footage and not just in a picture I mean they literally downgraded the scene from ME2 when she didn’t even remove her mask before kissing Shepard I mean sure we know that she did remove it but why do the better characters like Tali and Garrus only get 5 seconds whereas Liara, Ashley, and Kaiden get around 20 seconds
If you played it to the point with Wrex gone, Eve dead, and Wreav in sole command, mind as well go with this route, because Wreav can't be trusted to keep any form of peace.
2:30 lol wtf physics.
+genesis bustamante "mass effect fields" -History channel guy
It's a worm hole.
HAHA! OMG LOL
He sniffed it so hard it disappeared XD
He sniffed his decision
Being able to save Mordin is literally the only advantage to starting a new game in ME3. Everyone else you care about is dead or was never recruited or you can't save them.
So you don't like Tali, Miranda, Or Jack?
It amazes me every time, how dynamic this game can be.
This is basically the Reapers fault.
I was just playing the Noveria mission in ME1 and the Rachni queen stated that they brought war because their leaders voices were silenced one after the other and replaced with a sour yellow note. Sounds like they were being manipulated by something or someone (Reaper Indoctrination). Seems like all this was the cause of the Reapers to have the galaxy in a state of panic, making it easier for them to do their cycle. Which of course uplifting the Krogans to fight the indoctrinated rachni only slowed the Reapers plans.
If the Reapers never used the Racni the Krogans would have never been used by the Citadel Council and Mordin would have never had to make such choices. Just something else to consider.
True. I feel like the Reapers are servants of Tzeentch from Warhammer.
Alexandria the rachni were war beasts used for war by the promeatheans ..you learn this in mass effect three by javek and eventually turned on them..they turrned them into war beasts by getting the most deadly ones and making them even more evil ...so yea promeathians did pretty much eradicated them at least they thought . but good theory
Jonathan dickens Hmm, Never heard him say that. I'll just have to check in on him regularly then, Thanks. There is also something that an Asari mentions during ME2 when you reach Ilum, I forgot what she had said, but she is the one that gets rescued by them.
@@jonathandickens6582 what's a promethean? Is it a mix between Prometheus and a Prothean? And who the heck is Javek anyway?
Well I'm so happy to see this!! Thanks for posting. I'm fairly new...not really new but I'm still in the "learning" phase. It's good to know that one day I'll be able to do this!! :D
+Beth Kelch you shouldn't have seen this it spoils it tbh play you're own game make you're own decisions that's what makes ME franchise the best no offence but play the trilogy and import the games because you're actions matters or rather what you did in ME 1 matters in other ME games
I wanted this video specially and you made it easy to find thank you
After a bit of consideration, I believe this is the best possible outcome. The krogans give you their support, the salarians join is as well, the galaxy is safe from the krogan threat, AND Mordin survives. The only downside is that you had to sacrifice Wrex to do it. Ah well. I always like Mordin more anyway.
+Jordan Shank The only downside is that if Shepard chooses anything other than integrating synthetics and biotics, this result is the end of either all species or all krogran.
No matter how stupid Wreav is, the krogan won't need much time before they realize they've been lied to: their reproductive course is really fast.
Choosing to keep the Genophage going and to put Wreav in power means that shortly after the reapers are dealt with, there will be another war with the krogan; maybe they'll be able to finish off the weakened galaxy, or maybe their low numbers won't be able to conquer and they'll go extinct , but this outcome fucks things up a lot.
I didn't even know this was an option.
You just cured alot of depression by posting this vid shockwave.
I don't see how not curing the genophage, then lying to the krogan that you cured the genophage so you can get their troops like some Machiavellian fuck, is a paragon option.
It makes perfect sense for a renegade Shepard, though. Just sayin.
With Wreav in charge and no diplomatic Eve to keep him in line, it makes absolute sense.
Have you seen the renegade option? Not curing the genophage, shooting Mordin in the back, watching him crawl to the console, dying mere inches away from dispersing the cure?
This one's like a fairytale in comparison.
Vedran Noneofyourbusiness two things to consider though.one, despite what many seem to believe whole Paragon and Renegade system in the Mass Effect games is not strictly good & evil like many seem to believe. all the Paragon and Renegade system truly is this different approaches to solving the same problem either be diplomatic or be ruthless but being diplomatic doesn't necessarily mean you're doing the right thing as we see here. the Commander Shepard in this video is being diplomatic and logical about why he feels Mordon shouldn't cure the genophage and it makes sense given the context of the situation but he still screwing over an entire species because of it which is obviously bad but it's more complex than that obviously. if he had went Renegade here it just meant that he didn't care at all what happened to the krogan but here because he's being Paragon he obviously feels guilty about his choice but he knows he has to make it but it's still a f*****-up choice. doing at the Paragon why doesn't change that because being Paragon doesn't equal being good neither does being Renegade equal being evil
MatserSensui
I guess it's more like the alignments from Jade Empire, then.
But it's common sense - you have Wreav in charge of the Krogan and back before the Genophage one female could produce 1000 children in a single year. The chances of Wreav using that once the Reapers were gone was to great. Also Sheperd doesn't say they wont ever cure them he just says not now. It benefits everyone in the long run.
Krogan think - oh it might just take time -
Salarians pretend to be reluctant to help - in fact they're pleased too -
To be honest it's more of a dick move to the Salarians because your going to fuck them over later.
This technically isn't a good way to do this, pretty much every player that goes the paragon route will have the cure, which means Mordin dies, going this route on your video shows how evil this shepard is.
I knew from the start you can keep mordin alive if you do it this way, but any real paragon would have the cure from the start, those who don't, don't care if mordin lives or dies, since they pick the red option anyway.
Maybe we want to do the smart thing and hold on until they are ready to handle their population (Because they aren't.)
***** They already have a good enough population. Having more then the current amount would cost resources that could be used in the crucible.
***** But the Krogans don't have their own economy so they would rely on the other species. So they have to be supplied with weapons, ammo, transportation, and food. Having the massive force of the Krogans wouldn't be beneficial because of their dependence on other species. The Krogans may become the last hope but they would be doomed by then because of their lack of useful resources.
***** But there is a slaughtering going on.
Must have had 15 or so playthroughs and somehow this possible line of events has escaped me so far. Absolute master piece of storytelling. It's probably the single most memorable storyline and top notch acting in any video game. The game has lots of weaknesses, especially in the gameplay compartment, but the storytelling and the acting is absolutely stellar. A pity none this talent and brilliance made it over to ME:Andromeda.
Wow that was a quick reply. Thanks for clearing that up, i was thinking if you hadn't played the first game wrex would obviously be dead :)
this feels so wrong.......i love mordin but i will never have a playthrough where he lives in the end. id rather have him die honorably when he was already at the end of his lifespan than for it to go down like this man
FauxRebel Except in those versions you're thinking of you saving Wrex in ME 1 and saving Maelon's research in ME 2. If you chose those decisions wrong for whatever reason, nobody's gonna wanna go back 2 games to do EVERYTHING the same way again with the exception of 2 choices. With Wreav being a petty violent bastard, and Eve being dead, the Krogan will turn bloodthirsty again and threaten the whole galaxy after the war. In the cases where Wrex and Eve live, YES...Mordin has to die. They are saving their species and helping the galaxy, so his sacrifice would be necessary. But here where most of the galaxy will be weak after the Reaper threat and Wreav will be in charge of the strongest race in the galaxy, not only is making them able to reproduce again a statistical error, but a moral error as well. Besides, he even said that the cure can still be dispensed in food and water supply in the coming years. If he dies here, its a waste of a perfect mind that can help create a system for administering the cure before he passes away(as this is near the end of his lifetime). Letting Mordin die right away would be the REAL crime because then they wouldn't be able to be cured at ALL.
Besides, if he DOES survive here, the Extended cut (so I've heard) suggests he spends his remaining years curing the Genophage ANYWAY, after the Reapers are defeated.
not true, i went through all 3 games at least 4 times for various playthrough's/romances.
Biased logic for someone grasping at straws because his life is absolute shit.
this is the right choice
With wreave, definitely.
+cvuser11
The Galaxy is a big place and there is also andromeda, so space isn't a problem. They lived for millions of years on their home planet tutanka without trouble before the genophage anyway.
Wrex can show the krogan a better path, he proves that the krogan benefit more from being diplomatic. I'm sure that countless generations will understand this and follow in his foot steps.
+cvuser11
The krogan once had a great civilisation, similar to that of the humans. The codexes explain how they learnt to survive and hunt those that are larger than themselves.
That "I made a mistake" was basically a cry of despair for a salarian. Since they are so unemotional.
The "Someone else must have gotten it wrong" was a line in ME2. I'm glad I found it on a recent playthru
Not curing the genophage means Wrex doesn’t get his harem. I can’t bring myself to do that
To get this ending, where Mordin lives, wrex has to be killed in me1 and maleon's genophage data must be destroyed in me2.
This outcome actually gives you the highest EMS tho
I love games with choices
Hey
I did this mission to it's near end but I couldn't use any of the left shown options to talk Mordin into not going up the elevator
Could you please tell me the level of your paragon to archive that blue option?
This one mission is intense never had such a gaming experience since a long time
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If Wrex AND Eve alive, you cant talk him out - either shoot or let cure.
If only Either alive - then you can.
Game restrictions. Cuz it would be stupid to have Both Krogans that are Against expansion and war, and still let Mordin Sabotage on his will.
Nope, you can talk him out only if BOTH Wrex and Eve are dead. If any of them lives - Mordin insists there's still hope for Krogan and proceeds to the elevator.
Magic shrinking rock, just to the left of Mordin's head, at 2:31
I made em a Stake!
I made him a steak!
Kousakura Kuma Nah, a wooden stake.
Wow. Didn't even know this was an option. Neat.
this is why I love mass effect.. miles away from my resolution with Mordin.. amazing
How the f**k is that paragon? For Wreave to be in control of the Krogan you have to be renegade and kill Wrex in ME1!!
Paragon in a sense that you come clean with the sabotage, and your intention is to limit what control Wreave has with his race by not curing them, since Wreave is the Renegade version of Wrex.
Or bypass the other two games and play the third alone. Why the hell is the default decision to kill Wrex anyway? I'm trying to perfect ME2 with femshep (for the first time) and I really didn't want to replay ME1 again just to get femshep+Wrex. That ME1 Darkhorse comic saved me a lot of work.
cuz paragon is convincing mordin, renegade is killing him
Renegade you shoot Mordin in the back with the pistol he gave u in ME2. I wouldn't recommend it...
It's manipulative, not paragon.
its paragon
I agree. It's not really paragon even though the game says it is. Deep down, Mordin regrets the genophage. His explanation aboard the Normandy in ME2 serves as him trying to rationalize what he did so he can live with himself :/
Everything you do is manipulative. Even if you don't want to, you manipulate more people than you think.
Everybody above them is right. Its only paragon because you're not assaulting them, and you prefer to manipulate them by talking it out instead of violence.
If Wreav is the only guy in charge, then I’d say it’s pretty paragon. At least you want the Krogan to have a cure under more optimal conditions, just not while crazy pants wreav is in charge
so i assume this only can be achieved if Wrex died and his brother leads de Urdnot clan. am i right?
*How many paragon points do you need to keep him alive because I kinda killed him off before and the dalatrass was mad at me for it… Any advice? Cause I want him to live and be in my group as well?…* 🤔💭
I MADE A MESTAEK!
best posible dramatic moments in ME3, mordin sacrifice and killing the geth.
great story telling
I love all the different outcomes of this arc of the game depending on how your playthrough is going.
Killing Mordin, letting him figure out the malfunction on his own, telling him of the sabotage and letting him fix it, convincing him not to cure the genophage.
after 55 times of replays I never knew this was possible
That is the most emotion I've ever seen from Mordin.
What is the result on the war assets? Do you get both the Krogan and the Salarians? What if you got Wrex? What about the end cinematics with the krogan, are they war like?
that is the Cerberus armor, you can buy it in one of the stores
When Mordin drops tone you know he mad
Mordin can only be saved if you kill wrex on virmire, destroy maelons data and don't mention the shrouds sabotage plan until you and mordin are at the shroud. Also you'll need a certain amount of paragon renegade.
That "damn!" Scene always cracks me up somehow :))
Lol same here. It's so out of place
In the settings, you have to choose the dialogue option that says "Helmet off". This automatically removes Shepard's headgear when he's talking and in cutscenes.
If i can really save Mordin man i give you my deepest condolences it means a lot to save him thank you.
Dammit, I will never be able to un-hear this now.
That depends on your choice in Legion's loyalty quest in Mass Effect 2. I decided to destroy the Reaper Geth, and after getting peace between the two, I noticed that the Quarians were actually were more "war points".
you can save the data if u want in that mission
When he screams "I made a misstake" i was honestly shocked how much emotions he had there.
According to wiki, organic life technology don't even know what is it made of and little is know about them including the cintadel.. maybe after they study the reaper tech ,they can rebuild them..
well who can argue with such impeccable logic
To be fair, it’s wiser to wait until the reaper threat is over
Exactly, especially after reading Wreav's email to Shepard (something about Krogan's swift revenge)
I realized that you can save eve as well if you get the data from that salarian in ME2
I was thinking the same thing. But if you notice throughout the game, Mordin respected Sheperd but they weren't exactly "friendly" IMO. Plus, the Salarians make a big deal out of plans, contingency plans, retro-contigency plans, etc. Moreover, Hackett mentions in ME3 that STG were giving "back-channel support" for the Crucible project. Sooooo, STG probably sent a team as a backup, just in case something went south.
I've always let mordin do the whole redeem himself and die in the process route on this mission, but God DAMN!!! 1:49 is some powerful acting. Yet another situation that demonstrates this cast's brilliance.
Better add this was done on a primarily paragon Shep. Only renegade options were the one's taken to save Mordin.
Can you convince padok wiks (the Saladin who replaces mordin if mordin is dead in me3) to not cure the genophage?
that scream tho (I MADE A MISTAKE!)... shocks the shit out of me... and you said paragon but your shep's face all torned up XD
To keep wrex alive you either have to play mass effect 1 and save him or buy the cerberus pack DLC for mass effect 2. The cerberus pack comes with an interactive comic which goes through the story of mass effect 1 and lets you make 5 major decisions, including wheather you save wrex or not. If you don't have the first game or the cerberus pack then it automatically gives you Wreav.
does wreav have to be clan leader and eve dead in order to trigger this??? or can I he wrex and eve alive and still trigger this??? HELP
Thx Shock you saved me!
The only way I ever play. Screw krogan. Even under Wrex, they would rebel at some point. He's not immortal and old. Don't trust them It's not like they'd go extinct.
And even Wrex said he wants to rebuild the krogan empire. Although he wants to start with diplomacy unlike Wreav. The question is how many planets can the rest of the galaxy give to the krogan before drawing a line in the sand? Honestly, with Wrex the scenario reminds me of Chamberlain and appeasement
and the fact that STG even needed to upgrade the genophage in the first place proves that Krogan don't need the cure to eventually adapt to the circumstances, within a little over a generation
Wrex is FAR from perfect! And he's not that trustworthy, either.
I made a mistake and let him die.......but the krogan was still cured right?
@James Brown He may turn traitor in ME1, but I always kept him. I try to make sure everybody lives, except Mordin and Miranda (Grunt a few times) never do.
As heartless as it sounds, with Wrex and Eve both dead this is the right call. Wreav would absolutely take advantage of the aftermath of the Reaper war to take over.
I'm surprised that after this whole event is over, Shepard doesn't find the dalatrass and at least gives her a good punch across the face.
So do you get him as a war asset or something? Or does he just never come up again in the game?
i take it tho that the paragon/renegade choices are only there if you destroyed maelons data and thus bakara dies in the process of creating the cure, yes?
Got a wry smile at 'someone else would have gotten it wrong'
This is the best choice for getting maximum war asset