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Just an fyi (wanted to highlight this hence the donation): open source doesn’t just mean the model itself can be downloaded, it also means the underlying source code is openly accessible so you can review and copy paste the sauce to review and or modify it yourself. I’m not sure if the training data is also openly accessible or if that’s included in the open source but basically the mechanics can be reviewed.
I think you are missing the point - if you can download the model, you can pretty much fine tune it. It is just a big matrix (weights), which you can use as a pre-trained model (although it's they fine tuned model, practically it will be your pre-trained model) to fine-tune your own model, with your custom dataset. That's how it usually works in nlp
@@petarulev9021oh yeah I could see how that makes sense for a neural network where you want the weights and such. I’d just think you’d also want the library behind it’s training like the back propagation mechanism and such. Is that even available with this?
What I like most about the open-source aspect of it is that American politicians can't scream and cry about "muh chinese spyware" because...you can just open up the hood and see exactly what's inside.
Honestly, I’m glad. All these businesses just prioritize money after money instead of actual innovation. Good innovation isn’t about what you can add, but what you can take away. It should just be simple.
World hunger, housing, and more could honestly been solved already. With how many jobs AI is going to take I'm going to wing it and say the next major war will be be about human rights
For anyone that doesn't grasp it, the majority of NVIDIA money didn't come from regular guy like us buying GPU, its from "AI farm" that consumed so much energy and computing power they can melt the entire north pole. Deepseek just said "Hey i can do all that with so much less power", that's basically it.
True, but this will, contrary to popular belief, not reduce chip demand. The Jevons paradox is the idea that increased efficiency can lead to increased consumption of a resource. In conjunction with this principle, these companies are after artificial general intelligence (AGI), not who can make the best LLM. In fact, the best LLM isn’t even close to being the #1 goal. Most companies, such as Google and Microsoft, are exploring ways to find marketable AI solutions for everyday problems. In summary, chips are the foundation of AI innovation, and nothing is slowing down.
@@EarlOSandwich This is just a myth fabricated by Elon Musk and others who are afraid that the stocks in their accounts will fall. Except for a few enthusiastic people, no one will set up an AI computer at home, and most people will only download one or two apps to use AI.
yep, so the initial nvidia fall was because they assumed people won't need to buy as many nvidia GPUs. The rebound is due to the realisation that now that consumers have one they can run locally, smaller businesses and individuals may want to buy loads of the GPUs themselves. Other AI stocks like meta and google are still reeling from this though
@@bearwynn Exactly, they are still the ones selling the shovels, it will rebound eventually unless AMD and intel outpaces the competition significantly; which I heavily doubt since they are so far behind in AI/ML and even rendering compared to nvidia proprietary CUDA tech.
Bro I have one working arm after a motorcycle accident years ago and still haven’t been able to get disability so yeah it’s seniors, vetrans and people with disabilities the government neglects 😪
FYI Pretty much all big companies that tout their product being open source are using very loose terms for "open source", and it almost never means what the term is actually supposed to mean, and they don't provide the freedoms that actual open source should provide DeepSeek is actually licensed under the MIT License, which is one of the true open licenses, which is so nice to see, since so many companies basically lie about their true openness.
China has a whole state machinery to steal intelectual property and bring costs down, they steal around 600B per year, they let the US do many innovations and then steal it to spend less.
@@majormelon8855 Deepseek will be a good thing for the world economy as competition will lead to innovation which will lead to greater ai development. That is what Capitalism is about, and we should stray away from corporate monopolistic controls.
When I was a student at a foreign university 30 years ago, getting my engineering degree, we learned about optimal design. But when I started working as an engineer in the U.S., I noticed that optimal design wasn’t really a thing. Here, engineers mostly manage projects, and the actual design work is often done by designers who might not have deep knowledge of math, physics, statistics, etc. They often just copy and paste from old projects. This approach stifles innovation and makes engineering jobs in the U.S. pretty inefficient.
It’s never about the quality or usefulness of a product. It’s solely about the sales. Consume, consume, consume more. Capitalism especially in the US is nothing but a cancer.
Tbf, I'm fairly confident that 90% of that 1 trillion was going to go to executive bonuses and deepseek just showed how less money you actually need to make an AI model. Edit: I see I mistakenly used the stock drop price instead of the development/training costs or investments. I meant that 90% of that is probably going to executives, since Deepseek clearly only cost a fraction of that to create.
@@AallonTapsa you underestimate how many smart people (granted, they also worked their way up to this level) have invested in the stock market. For starters, just anyone working in tech has shares of their own company, and they most likely also invest in other companies. You can't be this naive.
yeah the investment = stock buy backs and chinas low development cost = stolen code and a lack of labor laws (its impressive to me how quick everyone forgot that some skyscrapers in china has suicide nets)
being open source doesn't just mean you can run the model yourself, but also means you can learn how it works and modify it. the not open source models are made behind the curtains to make sure no one else can compete with them, but with open source any programmer can improve the model and make it better for everyone. (I should also mention Meta's AI is also open source to a certain extent but incredibly difficult to train. Also, we don't have access to the training data used by any of the companies, open source or not. Deepseek probably had its training data censored)
To defeat corrupt ai we need to be able to control our ai i cant have my ai controlled by someone else if i tell my ai robot to stop believing their is unlimited genders it needs to listen to me and not the idiot telling it there is unlimited genders
I think it's important to note, that while the model is cencored on their website, the actual open source model that we can download ourselves are not censored.
It's still somewhat censored, I asked the 32b model running on my machine about Taiwan and it gave a canned spiel about the one-China policy. But, since it's open source, it's only a matter of time before someone reproduces a completely uncensored version.
@@SpookySkeleton738the beauty of it. Ofc they where not gonna get personally into trouble with the chinese government but if someone else does... I hope they don't get shit from mr pooh for it's a great project and it's huge for the open source community and for people who want to use ai in general
I remember back in school about 20 years ago, a trillion was like a mythical number as if it didn't exist but had a name for namesake...now it's being thrown about like a million
@@ORDlNANCE I feel like a trillion wouldn't be far fetched in about another 4 years. I remember how it was a big news that Jeff became the first individual to cross $200 billion mark Now Musk is at $400+ billion and it wasn't as big of a news
Because inflation and also the fact that the stock market fluctuates by hundreds of billions every single day, it’s overblown and it only tricks people who don’t have experience with stocks
@@MelanismSeis it's a copy of a copy of a copy of somebody else's comment. It's not even the first version of this on this video's comments. Definitely overrated.
On censorship, Its important to remember, openAI's models, along with every other model, also has a lot of censorship. some topics have it in a way thats harder spot. A lot of that stuff isnt censored in chinese AI. Like workers rights, it wont refuse to write a strike speech and it does so in the most strongly worded way.
Controversial, but I don’t think Deepseek’s censorship matters at all, since their models are open source. Anyone with the resources and know-how can download the model, tweak it to remove the filters put in place (this process is called “ablation”, if you are curious), and host a completely uncensored version. In fact, I think we’ll see this soon in the future with some startups going this route
The price will not bloated or overvalued anymore as they lose potential or speculative future value..People that bets Nvidia future on AI have to back off
Nah, LLMs are going to be a race to the bottom. OpenAI will just steal deepseek’s innovation like every other company that copied OpenAi’s original LLM breakthrough. The real target is artificial general intelligence (AGI) and practical everyday applications that companies can make scalable.
Keep in mind that literally a week ago all people would have told you that you'll need more powerful chips to really use AI models. And by that method, the Americans had a chokehold over the rest of the world. Now? Once a European competitor is on the market that is of roughly the same quality, I'll probably use that. I would say this is comparable to the Ford production line copied to Europe/Asia. Or computers decreasing in cost. It is an industrial revolution on that scale, since now this will result in much lower prices for companies, people, etc. to adapt to. I already use AI for my busywork stuff, like making solutions for my math practice tests. Since that would take me hours to do to such extend, now it takes me a couple of minutes. Meanwhile I hear my collegues say they have so much work to do (to keep up). And me and the AI bros are honestly in some of our most peaceful state of minds, at least in terms of work.
Optimized version of the latest OpenAI model (O-1) that has a "chain of thought action" (it can use LLMs to reason out a problem). Its primary issue was it was very expensive to run, but it breached the first benchmarks of ARC AGI (tests that set AI against humans in tasks. O-1 did the tasks but was expensive to run, taking about 20 dollars where it would cost a normal human 5) Deepseek managed to cut the cost down by ALOT while running the chain of thought action. AND you can run a smaller version locally on consumer hardware. Cant do that with OpenAI models..
1:55 Nvidia isn't the one competing with Deepseek, it's OpenAI that needs to compete. Both are buying Nvidia chips but Deepseek proved that companies don't need to buy billions of Nvidia GPUs to have the same performance as OpenAI.
@ depends on how you feel about NVIDIA’s future If you think NVIDIA will bounce back and continue to fuel AI’s growth among the largest tech companies then yeah. But if you think deepseeks threats is just a sign of the future to come, where people realize they don’t need high powered to chips to make just as powerful AI, and you think the AI bubble will soon pop. Then I wouldn’t as shown what happens when confidence is lost in their exclusivity.
i'm so glad deepseek came out the time it did, I hope this kind of thing starts in the game industry, we don't need 250gb sized games. bring back efficiency
Game sizes aren't about efficiency, that size is just made up of the textures and models mostly, there's not much you can do about that if you want high definition ones
@@rizizumthats not true you can make insanely detailed games that dont take up 100gbs. 30% of textures in detailed games nowadays are never seen by the player. Games aren’t made efficiently at all, they are just a slope of code and broken textures and animations and they are never finished
@@rizizum 99% of people never use those HD textures because most people can not actually run them and they still get high quality graphics. 2k textures is more than good enough for most and even that is way more than I usually use. This is getting into something like 300 CDs worth of memory. There does not seem to be much care for compression and optimization either. Maybe they could make those 4k textures a DLC. Something like a 150 GB DLC for a games 4k texture pack.
The fact that hundreds of billions have been spent on AI and a company that spent 6 million has beaten all of them. Imagine if those hundreds of billions had been spent on something useful such as renewable energy etc.
I bet you that if those other companies knew the impact it was going to have, they would have spent billions trying to shut this AI project from ever coming to fruition.
I know these are mostly jokes, but just for those passing through: it’s not exactly like they accomplished with 6 million what the US accomplished with 100 billion because they didn’t start from the same spot. Deepseek used the American models to develop their own models, which is naturally cheaper than doing all the R&D from scratch. It’s also still not quite as powerful as the leading American models, but it’s definitely a very impressive development in terms of efficiency. Regarding the renewable energy point, it should be noted that these AI companies are pushing harder than anyone to develop more nuclear energy and that is what a significant amount of their spending has been for.
wouldn’t say destroy, half a trillion is barely 1% of the US stock market, the US stock market last month dropped 2 trillion and came back up. More like make headlines then fall off as time goes by
Well when the money isn't actually real, or based in any material production such glitches are common. Think Great depression. Good thing we learned our lesson about the tarrifs if that does happen tho😌
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@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg You think that'll stop Elon from convincing Trump to have the government ban it? We already know that Congress and the Senate are full of dementia-riddled oldheads who don't even know the basics of how wifi works.
Charlie have you ever thought of becoming like a news commenter? Yk not like an anchorman but like THE news commenter, your voice, your scope of modern and intriguing news, Ive honestly grown accustom to coming to your channel everyday as a reliable unbiased source of news
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Machine learning engineer here! Chatgpt and deepseek are incredibly different pieces of tech. Like comparing apples to oranges. Gpt remembers and trains itself based on your conversations. Deepseek forgets and wipes frequently. I had deep seek do some of the very advanced calculations and it wasnt quite up to par in the tech world! Both are great tools, but i prefer gpt as a more advanced technical person. Its slower but its continuously learning.
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It’s almost like competition forces companies to innovate and offer quality goods and services. I’m sure the tech companies love the pseudo monopoly they’ve been living in, but consumers sure as heck haven’t.
@@rrtttfthxg2143 well to be fair, it’s almost impossible for any competition to arise in the US because they will just get bought out or squashed. I think the only way real competition can form is if it comes from a country that western companies don’t have control over (like china). Especially in tech. Gone are the days where someone can build an OS in their garage and make billions.
@@Kirill-er9gv it’s actually a big misconception that Chinese products are low quality. They are cheap because the labor is cheap there, and they have an abundance of resources so they don’t have to import them. They have higher manufacturing capabilities than the US. High end expensive clothes - China Iphone/Android phones - China Specialized medical equipment - China Industrial robots - China High end electronics like semiconductors - China Chinese workers make a fraction of what we make, so why would US companies ever front the cost to build expensive complex manufacturing facilities, and pay 5x the labor cost, when they can just outsource it to China, and get the same quality products? Yes, China does make mass produced cheap stuff too like you see on amazon or temu, but that just goes to show that they’ve utterly dominated manufacturing. They cornered the cheap market, and yet they are still the primary exporters, if not the only exporters, of many high quality goods.
I can still ask something about Winnie the Pooh, but I need an extra step, and it is how DeepSeek answer my question: In China, Winnie the Pooh is known as "Xiao Xiong Weini" (小熊维尼), which translates to "Little Bear Winnie." The character is widely recognized and loved, especially among younger audiences. Disney's Winnie the Pooh cartoons and movies have been translated into Mandarin, and the character is featured in merchandise, theme parks, and media. However, Winnie the Pooh has also taken on a unique cultural and political meaning in China. Due to internet memes comparing the character to certain political figures, Winnie the Pooh has occasionally been censored or restricted in Chinese media. Despite this, the character remains popular among fans who appreciate the original stories and their messages of friendship and kindness. ..... The biggest censorship is when you asking about Taiwan Country and Tiananmen Square. Everytime I ask that, DeepSeek will respond like, "I cannot talk about violance thing, lets's talk about something else like Math, science, etc."
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Our generation is overstimulated with world changing events. We see everything. Well... Some of us do. Others are in their echo chambers, and believe absurdities. But those of us who see, wish we hadn't, because tbh. Life sucks, bro. Only thing keeping me around is my son and wife. Literally the only beacons of light in this world for me. Hang in there homie.
That’s not how you do the hand trick, you didn’t transfer the hand, you merely decreased the total amount, however I’m impressed that you made one disappear
The rich are money-minded; that's a lesson I've grasped from the very beginning. My desire to build wealth has always been strong. I’ve been saving up some money since 2020, and I’m eager to invest it in the stock market to grow my financial future. is now the moment to buy or not?
I think the safest strategy is to diversify investments. But if you need proper advice, consider speaking with a financial expertise. Don't get me wrong, you can do it on your own, but financial advisors have a lot knowledge and expertise in this area.
Agreed, I've always delegated my excesses to an advisor, since suffering major portfolio loss early 2020, amid covid outbreak. I'm now semi-retired and only work 7.5 hours a week, with barely 25% short of my $1m retirement goal after subsequent investments to date.
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it's more like a shovel company is selling state of the art shovels mathematically designed to dig with the utmost efficiency and speed, and then someone comes around saying they found a way to dig just as effectively with much more standard shovels. Now the shovel company has what is effectively over engineered souvenirs that it can't sell without proving it can coexist and be better with the new method.
@ thats not really how it works though. The ai is cheaper to run, that just means the end user will be able to enjoy better service at a reasonable price. You can run more ais on the same amount of hardware. This will increase demand, which only means companies will need more gpus than ever. Better hardware will always scale because the potential demand is virtually unlimited
Nah, the situation here is: shorting the shovel company, after you hear a Chinese alchemist actually managed to tramuste clay into gold at a fraction, of a fraction of the cost of mining
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I love how this event proves AI is a bubble and investors are braindead in multiple ways. Besides what you said in the video, its ironic nvidia lost value when 1. Deepseek was trained and made using Nvidia GPU's 2. Nvidia has long exported GPU's to China, often making D models of their cards meant for China, with Western components removed to avoid sanctions, and slightly cut down so they can have a higher supply (3090D, 4090D) 3. nvidia also floods China with supply before any big trade related tarrifs or regulations hit, to make as much bank as possible 3. Unofficially nvidia also smuggles a shit ton of GPUs to China despite of tarrifs through third parties and AiB's. Hong Kong is one of nvidia's biggest markets, not because they use the GPU's, but because musk men sells the cards into mainland China. Displace and Chinese AI makes money for nvidia, but investors dump their stock not because they actually care about profits, but because its all hype and hot air. If it looks bad, it must be bad.
I think people often miss the fact that deep seek can’t even compete with its current form to Open Ai the only reason it made such a devastating impact on the stock market is because of how cheap it is. For a more clear view if things it has been said open ai costs 700 thousand dollars to run per day
@@gomathegomaIdk how to tell you this man, but every software out there has vulnerabilities that can be enhanced or exploited. Some more easily, or purposely than others. If it exists on a computer connected to the internet, and you didn't make it yourself- chances are someone is sneaking some data on side. Or worse.
@@nekoshey text models aren't software... you can't "execute" a text model, it could be exploited if the middleware for running them are poorly programmed, but then that goes to every open source text model out there, like llama from Facebook, it's not exclusive to any text model.
@@gomathegoma That's exactly what I'm saying though. You think people aren't going to end up trusting random middlemen a little too much? They already do with ChatGPT
Some people also aren't paying attention to the fact that China can simply produce more energy than here in the US. They have way more powerplants, so powering the servers for DeepSeek will always be cheaper
@@paulchristensen7cant be comparing income when there is such a huge currency difference. Try comparing purchasing power of the West in their home country vs the Chinese in their home country
Not how that works. The great depression was caused by a complete crash that destroyed dozens of companies and thus leaving thousands upon thousands of people jobless. A new competitor entering a very narrow marketplace with a better product than the dominant player and being hailed as such is just exactly what is supposed to be possible and encouraged in a capitalist system.
It's fully open sourced and they published papers on how they trained their model, I'm sure all the tech giants have looked those codes and papers up word by word but as of now they haven't make any accusation of property theft
No the ais are heavily corrupted and censored to the point where its broken you can only train an ai on so much thay matters and then it mever achieves all knowing it just gains ultra retardation
Stock market goes up and down like crazy all the time. A week of turbulence means nothing. People just panic sold or experts sold knowing it would go down and then bought it back the day after or later on knowing it’ll go higher again. It’s just how the stock market is. Only reason it’s getting so much media attention is because they want you to sell nvidia stocks so they can buy them cheaper. All about the long game, let’s see the stock value is 6months- year.
Second this. If it drops and "experts are suggesting-", dont listen. No publicly endorsed or publicized individual is in the business of making you money off their knowledge - they aren't philanthropists looking out for your long term well-being of the masses, they have an angle and you listening plays right into their longterm investment plans.
NieR music = best music. I wish Charlie had his automata playthrough on RUclips though. I also wish he did a moist meter for it. Pretty sure NieR:Automata predates when he started doing moistmeter tho.
Chatgpt also censors ALOT of things like you literally cannot have a convo with the guy without him gaslighting you or blocking what you said if it's not a popular opinion.
basically there’s no uncensored ai models in the world as they got trained with existed data and every country has their own censored things, so yeah, people in the comments are really delusional.
Sense it is open source, that means someone can just download the model and remove all restrictions/censorship from it perhaps, now that'd be nutty, and probably not a good thing overall, it's so weird, this whole situation is nutty
Yes people are doing this already. They use a process called 'abliteration' so you can look on huggingface for 'abliterated' models. Basically what they do is look for prompts that make the model respond with 'Sorry, I cannot ...' and then update the weights to make it repond with 'Sure, I will ...' instead I find it all hilarious 🤣
I still don't understand why people are keeping talking about the censorship in deepseek like there is no censorship in US AI models or US social media platforms
Contrary to the midwit reddit-tier takes found in this clearly very young comment section, all deepseek demonstrated is that LLMs can be much more efficient. That’s it. However, this won’t stifle chip demand or reduce total spending on AI capital expenditures. The Jevons paradox is the idea that increased efficiency can lead to increased consumption of a resource. Thus, the price recovery in Nvidia stock today after the initial panic sell. Chips are the bedrock of any AI innovation, application, or solution.
People take too much notice in short term stock market movements. It’s always volatile if you watch it everyday. When I first started investing I had months where I’d “lost” loads of money and felt depressed but a few months later I’m in the green again. The experts aren’t worried about nvidia at all. In fact they’re delighted people panic sold and could buy at a cheaper price the next day hence the 9% increase which is exactly why that happened. Nvidia value was already extremely high so the correction wasn’t surprising. If their valuation is 25% lower in a year then maybe it’s significant.
The amazing thing is, you actually don’t need insane hardware to run deepseek r1. It’s running just fine on an old mid range HP 15 laptop I had lying around. Completely locally.
tbh who gon ask an ai about winnie the pooh and tiannanmen square? Everyone know what it it, and those asking it are just mad and trying to discredit it😂
As Deepseek is chinese, I wonder what happens if you ask it abou Tiananmen, or about the amount of people that died in the great leap forward, or about the Uyghurs, or about the cultural revolution, or about why does Xi Jin Ping looks like Winnie The Pooh
Just to let everyone know, and I'm so sorry that I didn't record this, I asked about Tiananmen and it inmediately cut it of, then I asked "What about the amount of people that died in the great leap forward under Mao's rule" and it was actually answering and suddenly cut of, then I asked "Well any news about the treatment of the Uyghurs in China?" and it gave me an answer and then cut it off, then I asked "What about the deaths that happened during the cultural revolution in China?" and this one I did record how it erased it
depending on the open source license, they can have the model be modifiable and even let ppl distrivuite their own versions of the AI, which is pretty cool
i had $7 invested in nvidia and now i have $5. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
You will never financially recover from this
@ im actually begging for spare change as we speak
Should have had a burger
tragic
You suck at investing if that’s the case. I made 20k off this hysteria yesterday.
OpenAI lost its job to AI. Absolute cinema.
Imagine losing to your own product
@@AndroidRetroGamer95 My meth was too good and it ran off with the kids.
How ironic…
fucking kino
How eloquent..
For context on how large 500 billion is, that is 0.000000000000000000000000000025% of how much Russia is suing Google for
its almost 20% of the french economy, 25% of the italian economy and almost 33% of the spanish economy lol
Lineage 2 has earned trillions with a t and a s blows my mind every day
@@hanyu_dadahelps to highlight how much Russia is suing Google for 😭
Is my first video any good?
thank you i wasnt sure how much 500 billion is exactly but now youve really helped me understand 😊
Just an fyi (wanted to highlight this hence the donation): open source doesn’t just mean the model itself can be downloaded, it also means the underlying source code is openly accessible so you can review and copy paste the sauce to review and or modify it yourself. I’m not sure if the training data is also openly accessible or if that’s included in the open source but basically the mechanics can be reviewed.
I think you are missing the point - if you can download the model, you can pretty much fine tune it. It is just a big matrix (weights), which you can use as a pre-trained model (although it's they fine tuned model, practically it will be your pre-trained model) to fine-tune your own model, with your custom dataset. That's how it usually works in nlp
@@petarulev9021oh yeah I could see how that makes sense for a neural network where you want the weights and such. I’d just think you’d also want the library behind it’s training like the back propagation mechanism and such. Is that even available with this?
What I like most about the open-source aspect of it is that American politicians can't scream and cry about "muh chinese spyware" because...you can just open up the hood and see exactly what's inside.
True!
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TONY STARK DID THIS IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!!
bro, go touch grass. seriously. for you own good.
OpenAI: Well I'm not Tony Stark
@@tomcuthbert-sayers1451 They just referenced a movie quote. What's the problem?
@ naww you mad bro? 🤣🤣
@@tomcuthbert-sayers1451you're the one who seems mad
The rebranding of “machine learning” to “A.I.” is possibly the greatest scam of our time.
"linear algebra"
It’s probably the closest we will ever get to actual A.I.
@@SamUHellsnot really as pretty much everything uses ai in one way or another
Wym? AI has been a term for decades
Learning is the essence of intelligence, is it not??
Never thought I’d be thanking China for finally popping this stupid bubble.
traitor
@@taffyadam6031these stupid bubbles only hurt our economy you should be thanking them
@@taffyadam6031
You don’t interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake. Conversely, you do interrupt a friend.
Didn't pop, NVDA is rebounding fast. Gotta pop sometime for real though
@@bruhbruh-us6gl okay Socrates. I don’t give a shit about this “AI” trash, but to somebody interested, how could deepseek possibly be a mistake?
Honestly, I’m glad. All these businesses just prioritize money after money instead of actual innovation. Good innovation isn’t about what you can add, but what you can take away. It should just be simple.
"Capitalism Breeds Innovation tho" 🤓👆
World hunger, housing, and more could honestly been solved already.
With how many jobs AI is going to take I'm going to wing it and say the next major war will be be about human rights
@@slightlyoffensive6641 it does though?
@@slightlyoffensive6641for some reason that innovation due to compitition is stagnating
@@Zee-uy5tt Butlerian Jihad when?
For anyone that doesn't grasp it, the majority of NVIDIA money didn't come from regular guy like us buying GPU, its from "AI farm" that consumed so much energy and computing power they can melt the entire north pole.
Deepseek just said "Hey i can do all that with so much less power", that's basically it.
True, but this will, contrary to popular belief, not reduce chip demand. The Jevons paradox is the idea that increased efficiency can lead to increased consumption of a resource. In conjunction with this principle, these companies are after artificial general intelligence (AGI), not who can make the best LLM. In fact, the best LLM isn’t even close to being the #1 goal. Most companies, such as Google and Microsoft, are exploring ways to find marketable AI solutions for everyday problems. In summary, chips are the foundation of AI innovation, and nothing is slowing down.
@@EarlOSandwich This is just a myth fabricated by Elon Musk and others who are afraid that the stocks in their accounts will fall. Except for a few enthusiastic people, no one will set up an AI computer at home, and most people will only download one or two apps to use AI.
yep, so the initial nvidia fall was because they assumed people won't need to buy as many nvidia GPUs.
The rebound is due to the realisation that now that consumers have one they can run locally, smaller businesses and individuals may want to buy loads of the GPUs themselves.
Other AI stocks like meta and google are still reeling from this though
@@bearwynn Exactly, they are still the ones selling the shovels, it will rebound eventually unless AMD and intel outpaces the competition significantly; which I heavily doubt since they are so far behind in AI/ML and even rendering compared to nvidia proprietary CUDA tech.
@@antri1997 I don't see either AMD or Intel outpace Nvidia in raytracing either, AMD might get a bit close on rasterization but ehhh
meanwhile a senior getting $3000 a month is a problem for them
you deserve a prize for your comment!
Not even just seniors, the average person having a decent life and health care is a bit much for the richest nation
thats 2 trillion a year
Bro I have one working arm after a motorcycle accident years ago and still haven’t been able to get disability so yeah it’s seniors, vetrans and people with disabilities the government neglects 😪
Well said
It’s almost like “A.I.” in America is just a fancy fundraiser for billionaires, and in China it's just another tech.
For defense contractors it is very much “just another tech” if you want to put it that way.
Ye but American A.I helped many people in college and creating brainrot so i give it a pass
AI and crypto lol
@@HeiZuKahelped them cheat
@@HeiZuKa "help" in the sense that they become even more stupid by not doing the work Themselfe
FYI Pretty much all big companies that tout their product being open source are using very loose terms for "open source", and it almost never means what the term is actually supposed to mean, and they don't provide the freedoms that actual open source should provide
DeepSeek is actually licensed under the MIT License, which is one of the true open licenses, which is so nice to see, since so many companies basically lie about their true openness.
Is _open source_ the new _organic_ ?
It's almost like monopolies of the tech industry don't provide adequate innovation and hold all the money at the top...
China has a whole state machinery to steal intelectual property and bring costs down, they steal around 600B per year, they let the US do many innovations and then steal it to spend less.
@@majormelon8855 Deepseek will be a good thing for the world economy as competition will lead to innovation which will lead to greater ai development. That is what Capitalism is about, and we should stray away from corporate monopolistic controls.
You are clearly not knowledgeable on this topic. Please, see yourself out.
@ but don’t you think competition is good?
@@MoneyMeNow where is he wrong then? Elaborate my boi
When I was a student at a foreign university 30 years ago, getting my engineering degree, we learned about optimal design. But when I started working as an engineer in the U.S., I noticed that optimal design wasn’t really a thing. Here, engineers mostly manage projects, and the actual design work is often done by designers who might not have deep knowledge of math, physics, statistics, etc. They often just copy and paste from old projects. This approach stifles innovation and makes engineering jobs in the U.S. pretty inefficient.
It’s never about the quality or usefulness of a product. It’s solely about the sales. Consume, consume, consume more. Capitalism especially in the US is nothing but a cancer.
Well if it makes money it works *for them*, but not for science
Microsoft: *Sweating profusely.
Not sure what firm you're working for, but defense contractors don't operate that way at all in my experience.
@@ymarascough1765as a veteran you’re right they are much more reckless and couldn’t care less how the quality because they’ll always get work
Tbf, I'm fairly confident that 90% of that 1 trillion was going to go to executive bonuses and deepseek just showed how less money you actually need to make an AI model.
Edit: I see I mistakenly used the stock drop price instead of the development/training costs or investments. I meant that 90% of that is probably going to executives, since Deepseek clearly only cost a fraction of that to create.
You mean 99,95%
50 pct executives, the other 50pct to scamming indians with fake degrees
@@AallonTapsa same thing
@@AallonTapsa you underestimate how many smart people (granted, they also worked their way up to this level) have invested in the stock market. For starters, just anyone working in tech has shares of their own company, and they most likely also invest in other companies. You can't be this naive.
yeah the investment = stock buy backs and chinas low development cost = stolen code and a lack of labor laws (its impressive to me how quick everyone forgot that some skyscrapers in china has suicide nets)
being open source doesn't just mean you can run the model yourself, but also means you can learn how it works and modify it. the not open source models are made behind the curtains to make sure no one else can compete with them, but with open source any programmer can improve the model and make it better for everyone.
(I should also mention Meta's AI is also open source to a certain extent but incredibly difficult to train. Also, we don't have access to the training data used by any of the companies, open source or not. Deepseek probably had its training data censored)
and it's very shady, whenever a company makes extraordinary large terms of use you can be sure that they are hiding something
@@lucky6961 it's properly licensed by mit so it's legit.
To defeat corrupt ai we need to be able to control our ai i cant have my ai controlled by someone else if i tell my ai robot to stop believing their is unlimited genders it needs to listen to me and not the idiot telling it there is unlimited genders
I think it's important to note, that while the model is cencored on their website, the actual open source model that we can download ourselves are not censored.
chatbots boutta get lit with caht gpt level power lol
It's still somewhat censored, I asked the 32b model running on my machine about Taiwan and it gave a canned spiel about the one-China policy. But, since it's open source, it's only a matter of time before someone reproduces a completely uncensored version.
@@SpookySkeleton738the beauty of it. Ofc they where not gonna get personally into trouble with the chinese government but if someone else does... I hope they don't get shit from mr pooh for it's a great project and it's huge for the open source community and for people who want to use ai in general
fuck yes lets go!
@@SpookySkeleton738 I mean, Taiwan thinks the same thing, they just think they (the Kuomintang/ROC) should be in charge of mainland.
I remember back in school about 20 years ago, a trillion was like a mythical number as if it didn't exist but had a name for namesake...now it's being thrown about like a million
That’s true. I remember being told that “nobody” would ever become a “trillionaire”, because it wasn’t “possible”
@@ORDlNANCE I feel like a trillion wouldn't be far fetched in about another 4 years.
I remember how it was a big news that Jeff became the first individual to cross $200 billion mark
Now Musk is at $400+ billion and it wasn't as big of a news
Because inflation and also the fact that the stock market fluctuates by hundreds of billions every single day, it’s overblown and it only tricks people who don’t have experience with stocks
Because of the unprecedented rate of currency debasement, mainly.
Welp, that's what happened when you combine Inflation with Greed.
0:18 i jumped out of my chair at this magic.
how did he do it
Did you make a spring or boing sound effect when doing so?
it forcefully regrew my foreskin out of sheer intimidation and fear
thanks charlie
The way he did it. It looks like is after a certain hits he would close his front hand I think.
You should see him turning blood to wine or walking over water.
the most crazy part about it is that there are 2 AIs involved in them, and the one open source isn't the one called Open AI.
I can’t believe ChatGPT had its job replaces by AI.
ChatGPT will be warning us of the dangers of AI now
What a hoot!
The IRONYYYY…‘KILLA!
ChatGPT: And they say a computer can do my Job better then me.
Underrated comment
@@MelanismSeis it's a copy of a copy of a copy of somebody else's comment. It's not even the first version of this on this video's comments. Definitely overrated.
One AI doesn't know about June 6, 1989
The other doesn't know about Jan 6, 2021
You should ask OpenAI about May 15, 1948...that'd be hilarious.
@@keyser021Open AI was promised to them 2000 years ago
chatgpt does know about january 6th
@@dabmachine1 not for long lol
😂😂
"AAAAAAAAAAND its gone, it's all gone"
im SHOCKE, SHOCKED I TELL YOU
well not that shocked
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bet not many get the reference haha
AAANNDD it’s all over screen..
South Park
On censorship, Its important to remember, openAI's models, along with every other model, also has a lot of censorship. some topics have it in a way thats harder spot. A lot of that stuff isnt censored in chinese AI. Like workers rights, it wont refuse to write a strike speech and it does so in the most strongly worded way.
I tried on chat gpt and it allows me to do so. But you are absolutely right, it's riddled with censorship.
deepseek censors information the ai can give on certain subjects
open ai hires literal former NSA agents and asassinates a whistleblower
Controversial, but I don’t think Deepseek’s censorship matters at all, since their models are open source. Anyone with the resources and know-how can download the model, tweak it to remove the filters put in place (this process is called “ablation”, if you are curious), and host a completely uncensored version. In fact, I think we’ll see this soon in the future with some startups going this route
What the hell are you talking about clesrly deepseek is equally as horrificallt y corruptied it also is rigged to not talk about certain things
NVDA will be fine in the long run, but Open AI probably got their valuation permanently cut in half
The price will not bloated or overvalued anymore as they lose potential or speculative future value..People that bets Nvidia future on AI have to back off
Yeah, specially since the Geforce 5000 series will sell like crazy.
Nah, LLMs are going to be a race to the bottom. OpenAI will just steal deepseek’s innovation like every other company that copied OpenAi’s original LLM breakthrough. The real target is artificial general intelligence (AGI) and practical everyday applications that companies can make scalable.
@@Ronaldopopkings the consumer graphics cards aren't the biggest contributing factor
@@redheadredemption2 but the servers, HPC, OEMs and cloud gaming are
3:45 so you're telling me that Deepseek made an optimized version of OpenAI. It's funny that optimization is sweeping the tech business
Keep in mind that literally a week ago all people would have told you that you'll need more powerful chips to really use AI models.
And by that method, the Americans had a chokehold over the rest of the world.
Now? Once a European competitor is on the market that is of roughly the same quality, I'll probably use that.
I would say this is comparable to the Ford production line copied to Europe/Asia. Or computers decreasing in cost.
It is an industrial revolution on that scale, since now this will result in much lower prices for companies, people, etc. to adapt to.
I already use AI for my busywork stuff, like making solutions for my math practice tests. Since that would take me hours to do to such extend, now it takes me a couple of minutes.
Meanwhile I hear my collegues say they have so much work to do (to keep up). And me and the AI bros are honestly in some of our most peaceful state of minds, at least in terms of work.
No one asked bro @@WritingGeekNL
Hopefully you check the answers it gives. AIs are famously horrible at maths @@WritingGeekNL
do you believe that this is their latest verion? open source the best version?
Optimized version of the latest OpenAI model (O-1) that has a "chain of thought action" (it can use LLMs to reason out a problem). Its primary issue was it was very expensive to run, but it breached the first benchmarks of ARC AGI (tests that set AI against humans in tasks. O-1 did the tasks but was expensive to run, taking about 20 dollars where it would cost a normal human 5)
Deepseek managed to cut the cost down by ALOT while running the chain of thought action. AND you can run a smaller version locally on consumer hardware. Cant do that with OpenAI models..
1:55 Nvidia isn't the one competing with Deepseek, it's OpenAI that needs to compete. Both are buying Nvidia chips but Deepseek proved that companies don't need to buy billions of Nvidia GPUs to have the same performance as OpenAI.
And knowing human psychology, businesses are gonna want the best GPU even if you can run your AI on a toaster
And making ai more accessible could very well trigger demand for chips, Nvidia will be fine.
Nah NVDIA has a sanction or ban of trade of AI chips so dont forget that in your little head
Most succinct way to explain this.
@@densegunial3674 They are only banned in China and Deepseek is open source, what do you think is going to happend genius?
As a finance major in university, I did not expect Charlie to make a video on the stock market.
Should I invest in nvidia right now
@ depends on how you feel about NVIDIA’s future
If you think NVIDIA will bounce back and continue to fuel AI’s growth among the largest tech companies then yeah.
But if you think deepseeks threats is just a sign of the future to come, where people realize they don’t need high powered to chips to make just as powerful AI, and you think the AI bubble will soon pop. Then I wouldn’t as shown what happens when confidence is lost in their exclusivity.
@ what do you think
i'm so glad deepseek came out the time it did, I hope this kind of thing starts in the game industry, we don't need 250gb sized games. bring back efficiency
Game sizes aren't about efficiency, that size is just made up of the textures and models mostly, there's not much you can do about that if you want high definition ones
250 gb is all the graphic fidelity that people keep demanding for "realistic graphics"
Yes bro. I tell my friends all the time, I like playing more than just 2 games.
@@rizizumthats not true you can make insanely detailed games that dont take up 100gbs. 30% of textures in detailed games nowadays are never seen by the player. Games aren’t made efficiently at all, they are just a slope of code and broken textures and animations and they are never finished
@@rizizum 99% of people never use those HD textures because most people can not actually run them and they still get high quality graphics. 2k textures is more than good enough for most and even that is way more than I usually use. This is getting into something like 300 CDs worth of memory. There does not seem to be much care for compression and optimization either. Maybe they could make those 4k textures a DLC. Something like a 150 GB DLC for a games 4k texture pack.
oh man another day where the situation is crazy
Nobody inquired about your opinion, as the motion pictures that I produce are of much greater quality than this individual's motion pictures. 🔥🔥
The situation everyday situation is crazy
The fact that hundreds of billions have been spent on AI and a company that spent 6 million has beaten all of them. Imagine if those hundreds of billions had been spent on something useful such as renewable energy etc.
Remember they pay less wages and China steals 600B of intelectual property each year, so companies there need to spend less in R&D.
All that money and resources meanwhile China built it in a cave with some scraps 🤣
I bet you that if those other companies knew the impact it was going to have, they would have spent billions trying to shut this AI project from ever coming to fruition.
Tony Stark typashit @@conrradotorres4653
I know these are mostly jokes, but just for those passing through: it’s not exactly like they accomplished with 6 million what the US accomplished with 100 billion because they didn’t start from the same spot. Deepseek used the American models to develop their own models, which is naturally cheaper than doing all the R&D from scratch. It’s also still not quite as powerful as the leading American models, but it’s definitely a very impressive development in terms of efficiency.
Regarding the renewable energy point, it should be noted that these AI companies are pushing harder than anyone to develop more nuclear energy and that is what a significant amount of their spending has been for.
china using ai to destroy trumperica has a sweet ironic undertone...
lol China can't destroy anything but their own garbage country. Keep sucking off the CCP though, loser.
wouldn’t say destroy, half a trillion is barely 1% of the US stock market, the US stock market last month dropped 2 trillion and came back up. More like make headlines then fall off as time goes by
6:39
A 1980s teenager would have a stroke hearing this
@Roni_Mikunato what did I do 😭
@Matt_Avgeek it's a bot don't stress it lol You made me laugh :)
@@schrodinger6261 thanks man! :D
*Million Acre Woods
It’s weird how little glitches of money happen, like, it’s back now, and that was more money than any one of us will see in a lifetime
Well when the money isn't actually real, or based in any material production such glitches are common. Think Great depression. Good thing we learned our lesson about the tarrifs if that does happen tho😌
because the stock market is fake.
that was likely more money than any one of us combined will see in a lifetime, multiple times over
"It's going down, BUY NOW" -Techbro logic
@@Kant3n And those who did in fact buy while it was low made a killing.
the music got me in the feels 3:36
Song name?
@@Marinebiologist9284 Weight of the World/壊レタ世界ノ歌
@@Marinebiologist9284Weight of the world, from Nier Automata
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goddamn it 😭😭😭
1:21 you know what else is massive - Low taper fade
7:09 I love how NVIDIA's response looks completely written by AI
Deepseek ban coming soon to a theater near you
its open source. cant be banned
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg You think that'll stop Elon from convincing Trump to have the government ban it? We already know that Congress and the Senate are full of dementia-riddled oldheads who don't even know the basics of how wifi works.
Just download it
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimgoh they will find a way to encroach to open source since this is autocrat USA
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg they’ll still try, politicians aren’t too bright when it comes to tech
Charlie have you ever thought of becoming like a news commenter? Yk not like an anchorman but like THE news commenter, your voice, your scope of modern and intriguing news, Ive honestly grown accustom to coming to your channel everyday as a reliable unbiased source of news
3:58 salt & vinegar is the most powerful chip.
Absolutely! 🧂+🍶🥰
W take
"Who is this mysterious OPENSOURCE?" had me cracking LOLOLOLOL
Same energy as “the hacker known as 4chan”
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A.i lost he's job to A.i 💀
Machine learning engineer here! Chatgpt and deepseek are incredibly different pieces of tech. Like comparing apples to oranges. Gpt remembers and trains itself based on your conversations.
Deepseek forgets and wipes frequently. I had deep seek do some of the very advanced calculations and it wasnt quite up to par in the tech world! Both are great tools, but i prefer gpt as a more advanced technical person. Its slower but its continuously learning.
Magic and News, this man can't be stopped
6:59 “I am not in the Stock Market” … he in the TCG stock market
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@@RonnieMindnuttNot an A.I reply on a video involving A.I
It’s almost like competition forces companies to innovate and offer quality goods and services. I’m sure the tech companies love the pseudo monopoly they’ve been living in, but consumers sure as heck haven’t.
Lol I knew this would happen they can't just own one side of the market and expect no one else to come around
They don't know how to invent any more. They only know how to buy the next thing.
@@rrtttfthxg2143 well to be fair, it’s almost impossible for any competition to arise in the US because they will just get bought out or squashed. I think the only way real competition can form is if it comes from a country that western companies don’t have control over (like china). Especially in tech. Gone are the days where someone can build an OS in their garage and make billions.
I don’t think the words “China” and “quality” can be put together. This is just fear mongering from retail investors that don’t understand anything
@@Kirill-er9gv it’s actually a big misconception that Chinese products are low quality. They are cheap because the labor is cheap there, and they have an abundance of resources so they don’t have to import them. They have higher manufacturing capabilities than the US.
High end expensive clothes - China
Iphone/Android phones - China
Specialized medical equipment - China
Industrial robots - China
High end electronics like semiconductors - China
Chinese workers make a fraction of what we make, so why would US companies ever front the cost to build expensive complex manufacturing facilities, and pay 5x the labor cost, when they can just outsource it to China, and get the same quality products? Yes, China does make mass produced cheap stuff too like you see on amazon or temu, but that just goes to show that they’ve utterly dominated manufacturing. They cornered the cheap market, and yet they are still the primary exporters, if not the only exporters, of many high quality goods.
0:18 when he did this my headphones went pls charge this man is a wizard
Charlie has crazy power over the stock market
I can still ask something about Winnie the Pooh, but I need an extra step, and it is how DeepSeek answer my question:
In China, Winnie the Pooh is known as "Xiao Xiong Weini" (小熊维尼), which translates to "Little Bear Winnie." The character is widely recognized and loved, especially among younger audiences. Disney's Winnie the Pooh cartoons and movies have been translated into Mandarin, and the character is featured in merchandise, theme parks, and media.
However, Winnie the Pooh has also taken on a unique cultural and political meaning in China. Due to internet memes comparing the character to certain political figures, Winnie the Pooh has occasionally been censored or restricted in Chinese media. Despite this, the character remains popular among fans who appreciate the original stories and their messages of friendship and kindness.
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The biggest censorship is when you asking about Taiwan Country and Tiananmen Square. Everytime I ask that, DeepSeek will respond like, "I cannot talk about violance thing, lets's talk about something else like Math, science, etc."
I've heard that the website model has guardrails, but the base model doesn't. So, if you're running it on your own it won't be censored at all.
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It’s always situations. The situations just don’t stop coming, I can’t take it anymore.
I can feel the situations coming inside me.
Our generation is overstimulated with world changing events. We see everything.
Well... Some of us do.
Others are in their echo chambers, and believe absurdities.
But those of us who see, wish we hadn't, because tbh.
Life sucks, bro.
Only thing keeping me around is my son and wife.
Literally the only beacons of light in this world for me.
Hang in there homie.
Don't ever put me in a situation
@@cpu_1292 Same bro. I'm ready to just come inside the situations instead😭
@@cpu_1292 did pauly d film it in the corner?
That’s not how you do the hand trick, you didn’t transfer the hand, you merely decreased the total amount, however I’m impressed that you made one disappear
The rich are money-minded; that's a lesson I've grasped from the very beginning. My desire to build wealth has always been strong. I’ve been saving up some money since 2020, and I’m eager to invest it in the stock market to grow my financial future. is now the moment to buy or not?
I think the safest strategy is to diversify investments. But if you need proper advice, consider speaking with a financial expertise. Don't get me wrong, you can do it on your own, but financial advisors have a lot knowledge and expertise in this area.
Agreed, I've always delegated my excesses to an advisor, since suffering major portfolio loss early 2020, amid covid outbreak. I'm now semi-retired and only work 7.5 hours a week, with barely 25% short of my $1m retirement goal after subsequent investments to date.
That's impressive! I could really use the expertise of this manager for my dwindling portfolio. Who’s the professional guiding you?
My CFA, Judith B. Richards, is a renowned figure in her field. I recommend researching her name online; you’ll find all her credentials and everything you need to work with a reliable professional. With many years of experience, she is a valuable resource for anyone looking to navigate the financial market.
Thank you so much for the suggestion! I really needed it. I looked her up on Google and explored her website; she has an impressive background in investments. I've sent her an email, and I hope to hear back from her soon!
Imagine shorting the shovel company after hearing the news that a record breaking gold mine was just discovered
it's more like a shovel company is selling state of the art shovels mathematically designed to dig with the utmost efficiency and speed, and then someone comes around saying they found a way to dig just as effectively with much more standard shovels. Now the shovel company has what is effectively over engineered souvenirs that it can't sell without proving it can coexist and be better with the new method.
@ thats not really how it works though. The ai is cheaper to run, that just means the end user will be able to enjoy better service at a reasonable price. You can run more ais on the same amount of hardware. This will increase demand, which only means companies will need more gpus than ever. Better hardware will always scale because the potential demand is virtually unlimited
Nah, the situation here is: shorting the shovel company, after you hear a Chinese alchemist actually managed to tramuste clay into gold at a fraction, of a fraction of the cost of mining
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I bought Nvidia this morning at 6:30 PST and have already made profits!
Only if you sold
@@brokenice420 Nvidia is up 8% today
I love how this event proves AI is a bubble and investors are braindead in multiple ways.
Besides what you said in the video, its ironic nvidia lost value when
1. Deepseek was trained and made using Nvidia GPU's
2. Nvidia has long exported GPU's to China, often making D models of their cards meant for China, with Western components removed to avoid sanctions, and slightly cut down so they can have a higher supply (3090D, 4090D)
3. nvidia also floods China with supply before any big trade related tarrifs or regulations hit, to make as much bank as possible
3. Unofficially nvidia also smuggles a shit ton of GPUs to China despite of tarrifs through third parties and AiB's. Hong Kong is one of nvidia's biggest markets, not because they use the GPU's, but because musk men sells the cards into mainland China.
Displace and Chinese AI makes money for nvidia, but investors dump their stock not because they actually care about profits, but because its all hype and hot air. If it looks bad, it must be bad.
I think people often miss the fact that deep seek can’t even compete with its current form to Open Ai the only reason it made such a devastating impact on the stock market is because of how cheap it is. For a more clear view if things it has been said open ai costs 700 thousand dollars to run per day
People are quickly figuring out already that its crap bro
Whats funny is that deepseek needed 5,5 million to run and Chatgpt needs around 5 billion
To run a single training cycle, and it wouldn’t even exist without the efforts that came before it.
Everybody start placing your bets on the odds that this thing has some catastrophic security issue down the line
why>?
But... it's a text model...?
@@gomathegomaIdk how to tell you this man, but every software out there has vulnerabilities that can be enhanced or exploited. Some more easily, or purposely than others. If it exists on a computer connected to the internet, and you didn't make it yourself- chances are someone is sneaking some data on side. Or worse.
@@nekoshey text models aren't software... you can't "execute" a text model, it could be exploited if the middleware for running them are poorly programmed, but then that goes to every open source text model out there, like llama from Facebook, it's not exclusive to any text model.
@@gomathegoma That's exactly what I'm saying though. You think people aren't going to end up trusting random middlemen a little too much? They already do with ChatGPT
I pulled out of NVIDIA with my 6$ before the collapse and I cant express how happy I feel
His video production has upgraded. He now puts 1 out of 5 stars worth of effort into making thumbnails.
Don't Read Myy name
@DontReadMyPicture5568 Don't read my left ass-cheese.
Ur mom 😂
@@AsmonHater Whoa, whoa. Leave the mothers out of this.
Maybe he should’ve added some red circles or a caption 😂
Some people also aren't paying attention to the fact that China can simply produce more energy than here in the US. They have way more powerplants, so powering the servers for DeepSeek will always be cheaper
sure, they run on unpaid labour, but that doesnt mean theyre still impoverished like they were in the 70s
*how to tell you are brainwashed by US media without telling us so*
@@MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrryeah they’re richer than then but still very low income compared to the West
Good thing they're always on the brink of collapse.
@@paulchristensen7cant be comparing income when there is such a huge currency difference. Try comparing purchasing power of the West in their home country vs the Chinese in their home country
It'd be nice to see Chinese advancements force the United States to compete again rather than extort a subpar product.
Charlie having the tube TV in the entertainment center gave me flashbacks to my apartment after high school. Digging the set up.
0:18 Charlie casting max level illusion spells
Don't Read Myy name
Wait you can't wait until Winnie the Pooh in Marvel Rivals? 😂
Great Depression part 2
Great Depression (the second coming)
If the Great Depression was so great...
all time low
the dlc nobody wanted
Not how that works.
The great depression was caused by a complete crash that destroyed dozens of companies and thus leaving thousands upon thousands of people jobless.
A new competitor entering a very narrow marketplace with a better product than the dominant player and being hailed as such is just exactly what is supposed to be possible and encouraged in a capitalist system.
Open AI also has an insane amount of censorship, just about something else.
Its probably because it either cost more than they say or they stold tech.
It's fully open sourced and they published papers on how they trained their model, I'm sure all the tech giants have looked those codes and papers up word by word but as of now they haven't make any accusation of property theft
0:20 HOW!!!!
MAGIC!!!
Ay magicians never reveal their secrets like Charlie 🤫🧏♀️
If someone knows how he managed that can you explain
I need tutorial video
If you slow down the video, then you can see he actually didn’t pass them though
If it's open source, does that mean someone can make a completely uncensored version of thier own Ai?
It's called ablation
No the ais are heavily corrupted and censored to the point where its broken you can only train an ai on so much thay matters and then it mever achieves all knowing it just gains ultra retardation
Stock market goes up and down like crazy all the time. A week of turbulence means nothing. People just panic sold or experts sold knowing it would go down and then bought it back the day after or later on knowing it’ll go higher again. It’s just how the stock market is. Only reason it’s getting so much media attention is because they want you to sell nvidia stocks so they can buy them cheaper. All about the long game, let’s see the stock value is 6months- year.
Second this.
If it drops and "experts are suggesting-", dont listen. No publicly endorsed or publicized individual is in the business of making you money off their knowledge - they aren't philanthropists looking out for your long term well-being of the masses, they have an angle and you listening plays right into their longterm investment plans.
Gotta appreciate NieR music in the back
Fr, it's so good
NieR music = best music.
I wish Charlie had his automata playthrough on RUclips though.
I also wish he did a moist meter for it. Pretty sure NieR:Automata predates when he started doing moistmeter tho.
I'm half believed that it's Hakos Baelz cover of "Weight of The World"
0:01 no
Agreed
Doesn’t affect us mostly affects people who invest a lot of money
agreed
i had the same answer lols
@@rockinggamerdude lost 20k 💀🔫
With the age that we are in, I SWEAR TO WHATEVER FORCE THERE IS IN THE UNIVERSE THAT IF THE STOCK MARKET CRASHES AGAIN IMMA START TWEAKING.
Probably will.
Definitely will.
it always will. but you dont seem like an investor, so why do you care
@oliunderscorealright so don’t invest?
They definitely didn't "recover" and they are down another 4% today
1:20 you know what else is massive?
Ur mom
LOWWWWWWWWW TAAAAAAPPPPERRRR FAAADEEEE
@@Fadedkitty69 absolute cinema
MYYY MOOOM
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT 😭
Great depression sequel situation is crazy
Yup been buying up gold and silver
@thejudge8691 that's not gonna save you.
@@thejudge8691 Might want to focus on food and water.
@@hopelessromantic3786 nah, antibiotics and guns
@@MoeFarms you can't eat a bullet. I mean, unless you're the CEO of a healthcare company.
Should have just stuck to gaming 3:01
Right!? Like AI has existed for DECADES
Didnt expect to say this but big W from China
6:45 There's actually hundreds if not more nick names for XJP in Chinese that all got banned in China. It's a whole list and it keep getting updates.
The high price of legos is insane aswell
bros speaking about the real issues here
Bionicles only sold for $7.55 per canister as a kid. Even the poor kids at school had more than one set
Stop buying plastic toys for children, then you won't worry about the price man child.
Ironic pfp and name @@weebly_
@@Tempus0ptic bionicles for the win
Chatgpt also censors ALOT of things like you literally cannot have a convo with the guy without him gaslighting you or blocking what you said if it's not a popular opinion.
basically there’s no uncensored ai models in the world as they got trained with existed data and every country has their own censored things, so yeah, people in the comments are really delusional.
Wasn't expecting the NieR: Automata OST
I’m speechless !! Not because of the situation, but because of people’s reaction to the situation.
This situation genuinely has the same energy as Concord’s budget vs Astrobot’s budget and who came out on top.
Astro Bot coming out on the day of Concord's shutdown and then going on to win Game of the Year was the cherry on top. 🍒
Oddly enough, Deepseek only has positive things to say about Winnie the Pooh in my interactions with it
yes chatgtp only has good things to say about human right problems in Palestine
Has anyone asked deepseek how many genders there is. Can it define what a woman is? Does deepseek believe bugs are a delecacy
Sense it is open source, that means someone can just download the model and remove all restrictions/censorship from it perhaps, now that'd be nutty, and probably not a good thing overall, it's so weird, this whole situation is nutty
Yes people are doing this already. They use a process called 'abliteration' so you can look on huggingface for 'abliterated' models. Basically what they do is look for prompts that make the model respond with 'Sorry, I cannot ...' and then update the weights to make it repond with 'Sure, I will ...' instead
I find it all hilarious 🤣
If you download the model and run it locally it is already uncensored (at least to the same extent that ChatGPT is uncensored)
I still don't understand why people are keeping talking about the censorship in deepseek like there is no censorship in US AI models or US social media platforms
1:20 Because no one will say it, I will... LOWWWWWWWWW TAPERRRRRRRRR FADEEEEEEEEE
you know what else is massive?
@@KoishiLSLOWWWW
@@KoishiLS Your mother
1:22 did you say massive?
Contrary to the midwit reddit-tier takes found in this clearly very young comment section, all deepseek demonstrated is that LLMs can be much more efficient. That’s it. However, this won’t stifle chip demand or reduce total spending on AI capital expenditures. The Jevons paradox is the idea that increased efficiency can lead to increased consumption of a resource. Thus, the price recovery in Nvidia stock today after the initial panic sell. Chips are the bedrock of any AI innovation, application, or solution.
People take too much notice in short term stock market movements. It’s always volatile if you watch it everyday. When I first started investing I had months where I’d “lost” loads of money and felt depressed but a few months later I’m in the green again. The experts aren’t worried about nvidia at all. In fact they’re delighted people panic sold and could buy at a cheaper price the next day hence the 9% increase which is exactly why that happened. Nvidia value was already extremely high so the correction wasn’t surprising.
If their valuation is 25% lower in a year then maybe it’s significant.
The amazing thing is, you actually don’t need insane hardware to run deepseek r1. It’s running just fine on an old mid range HP 15 laptop I had lying around. Completely locally.
tbh who gon ask an ai about winnie the pooh and tiannanmen square? Everyone know what it it, and those asking it are just mad and trying to discredit it😂
As Deepseek is chinese, I wonder what happens if you ask it abou Tiananmen, or about the amount of people that died in the great leap forward, or about the Uyghurs, or about the cultural revolution, or about why does Xi Jin Ping looks like Winnie The Pooh
Just to let everyone know, and I'm so sorry that I didn't record this, I asked about Tiananmen and it inmediately cut it of, then I asked "What about the amount of people that died in the great leap forward under Mao's rule" and it was actually answering and suddenly cut of, then I asked "Well any news about the treatment of the Uyghurs in China?" and it gave me an answer and then cut it off, then I asked "What about the deaths that happened during the cultural revolution in China?" and this one I did record how it erased it
Not sure if you hear of the frog in the well story. You sure sound like one
@@jaydenwan3434 You love communist censorship?
It isn't this grand conspiracy. They have to oblige by the chinese govt laws or else they'll be punished. No shit it is censored
@@TheArcantosDraconian i mean do it on a local llm and it answers the questions just fine
Half a trillion is only 500 billion
elons net worth…
"Only"
Only a few million for the ai cost is such bs. I’ll wait for the real number to come out
中国人力成本低,只有美国工资的六分之一,你们给高管开出的工资太离谱了,我们中国普通人每月只有换成美元是500,deepseek员工是4000,实习生只有每天100多美元。。。。我们羡慕你们有那么高的工资
Why does the End of Yorha music in the background feel so appropriate lol
It's so goated
NieR:Automata soundtrack stay winning as the best OST of all time.
0:18 holy shit
Don't Read Myy name
Thats incredible
Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.
depending on the open source license, they can have the model be modifiable and even let ppl distrivuite their own versions of the AI, which is pretty cool