Retired Too Soon ? F-14B Tomcat + Aim-174B Upgrade Vs Su-57 | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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The ST-21 Program was looked into as a potential upgrade to the Tomcat to make it a 4.5gen fighter/interceptor. If you could find an accurate model of this proposed airframe on DCS I believe that you could generate a ton of interest in your content with it.
8:10 Hey GS,
I actually use C-5’s to shoot at other missiles all the time. Works great. Saved my butt so many times!
The Felon is 4.5 GEN STEALTH not 5th GEN.
@@daviddoyle982 Whats C-5's?!?!
@@Anarchy_420 thanks bud. Where can I find those mods???
“…let me know in the comments if you wanna see that fight.”
Yes, GS, just yes. Always yes.
Yes, yes, we wana see that fight.
P51 with amraams vs Su-57 with R-27ER
@@yuanfurbax can't fit missiles on the P51.
@@yuanfurbax P-51 has no radar though.
@@sarahsmith840 sounds like 2 foxies and a wez jam dog fight to me then
An obscenely large aircraft hurling cataclysmically large missiles.
The Tomcat underslinging Saturn 5 rockets as an offensive armament.
Why does the whole idea of the AIM-174 give me G.I. Joe vibes? Especially on the F-14.
@@jozsefmolnar5338 +1 what a great toy that was ….. sigh….
I guess the SU-57 Pilot didn't watch Top Gun Maverick......
Well, Tom Cruise kept saying "5th Gen Fighter" so THIS pilot was possibly confused, lol.
"Tom Cruse use your witchcraft"-Rickey Bobby
It’s not the plane.
It’s not the pilot.
It’s the missile.
IT'S A FIFTH GEN FIGHTER!!!
@@darkgardener95774/5
Thank you for elaborating on how to read some of the instrumentation with the RWR and the angle of jamming signal on the TID. Please do more of this in your videos 🙏
"Having an su57 on you while your defending is not good" gets flashbacks from the last Eurofighter video
Oh heck yea to the Felon with the hyper sonic. I used to work on the Tomcat back in the mid 90s, it wasn't really sunset because it was not a good airplane anymore, but it took a lot of man hours to keep it flying. There were times that I personally know that some of the methods that we used to keep some of them up were not "Standard Operating Procedures" LOL. Love your vids keep doing what you do
Please tell us more.
Yeah, the F-14D was at the peak of its capabilities when it was retired, and had they kept it and been able to update it to take the AMRAAM it would have been even more lethal!
GS over here giving the Navy reasons to restart the ST-21 program. 😎
It's a little too late for that now.
@@traviswalker8933
Aw
My tomcot
maybe the fa-xx is the spiritual return of ST-21
@@traviswalker8933 nah just get a slightly tuned delorean and we’ll make sure the soup cat takes flight.
@@zbee-nah-lah sure, if the engine doesn't decide to detonate itself into French mayonnaise.
Looked like the felon got shot by a ship there at the end. Oh wait, I guess it kind of did. Go Navy!
Go Army beat Navy
Maybe in football but not much else lol
@@fleafrier1 wdym lol the boys on the ground is what wins wars
Jam angle track, interesting. I had no idea the F-14 was capable of that
Once heard a Desert Storm f-14 pilot talk about how f-14's had rear facing jamming systems that would mess with 6 O'clock missiles, the pilots didn't what it did to do it's thing, they were just told to turn it on.
In defence of the Felon, it took a telephone pole to the face at ~mach 3.
A telephone pole with a 150lb blast fragmentation warhead.
It basically got run over by an 18 wheeler.
Some new exciting news about the SM6. Apparently the newer block 1B will be rated as hypersonic. Maybe we will see AIM-174C in future?
Rated and actual are two different things.
Hypersonic is a buzzword, don’t concern yourself with it.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 No it's not .Russia , China have Hypersonic Missiles . The West does not.
Everyone knows the F-14 was retired too soon. The only reason the F-14 was retired was because of politics and costs. If the Super Tomcat 21 was put in service with it's new price cutting technology in it's design and latest avionics and ordinance, it would practically be a Naval F-15X with thrust vectoring. There would be almost no need for another aircraft on the deck.
That is a very optimistic view on where the f-14 could have gone... Like I get it we all love the f-14 but come on
@@RikkiSan1 Read Grumans proposals for the F-14 Super Tomcat 21. I didn't make up anything
@@RikkiSan1 Look into the ST-21 project if you're an aviation guy. I'm an aerospace engineer and find the ST-21 proposal claims to be plausible.
@@mikeyplayzwrld Hell of a read but worth it.
I don't find that outlandish at all. Maybe even in time it could sport a miniaturized directed energy weapon of some sort given the size of the bird. I would have love to see the ST-21
Woa! 6 SM6 on a Tomcat! These costs mote than the F-14 😂
yet, the F-14 was one of the best platforms for it.
@@JunkoXanwas it?
@@JunkoXan No it was not.
@@JunkoXanwas? how?
@@RikkiSan1 Absolutely! The F-14 was built to carry a lot of really big missiles, and shoot them far, far away.
If you double tapped him, his R77 would only intercept the first missle.
He explained many times why he didn't do that.
@@Ih8liarsandusers Where? When? (Not in this video)
@@user-wm3hu7lo1gin the comments. It has been asked and answered 20 times at least. It would have been quicker for you to use your head and look
@@Ih8liarsandusers The quickest way would be to simply post the answer
@@user-wm3hu7lo1g why do you want him to compensate for your poor search skills?
I definitely want to see the hypersonic missile fight.
I liked how the control inputs can be seen. Gives an idea of how much input/authority is required to make flight movements. Yes, as a weapon system, retired too early for fleet defender, but Navy operations are hard on airframes. Logistics, maintenance and aircrew familiarization, all had a hand in the demise of the Tomcat. The F-14's sexyness remains.
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Oooh I bet the F-15 with the aim 174B would be an equivalently interesting matchup
its basically unbeatable by anything other than stealth
@@raz4371it can also detect and even destroy F22.
@@heatblast876 Never seen Red Flag where 5 F15 pilots got absolutely handled by 1 Raptor huh?
@boostedbadboyzx12r31 are you blind, I was talking about the missile, which is AIM 174B, not the aircraft.
@@heatblast876 i mean the amraam can also do that sooo.
GS oppressively pushing a Su-57:
"Fine... I'll loft it myself." (12:00)
Thanks!
Those SM6s coming off the rail like a space shuttle clears the launch tower, very slow and gentle
The f14 smoked that felon w/ the Last SM6 😂
They should have built out the Super Tomcat, it would have been glorious
So, one day we'll see a Tomcat rocking Dark Eagles.
I loved the Tomcat we deployed with 103 Jolly Roger’s in 03. They had the 110 upgrades. Badass
That storm cloud over the mountains is absolutely beautiful.
I was suffering from Tomcat withdrawal, thanks for that!
"Tomcat! How did you defeat a Felon??"
*Tomcat glances at vaporized bits in the distance* "What Felon?"
"It's not the plane. It's the missile."
I don't know if DCS has a model for it, but maybe fly an F-12 with AIM-174Bs for laughs.
It doesn't.
That old cats still got sharp claws. 🙂
you can tell how big and heavy those aim-174s are when they drop off and sssslowly pull ahead of the tomcat when the missile fires 😄
It's great to see that the F-14 is still relevant in certain situations. I would love to see someone model the Super Tomcat 21 and see what it is capable of.
F14 and F15 are the pinnacle of 4th gen pure american air power
As someone that worked on F-14 avionics and loved the aircraft the maintenance on them was a constant affair in every area. Sadly I agree with their retirement though I think they could have served better asking allies and partner nations for a few extra years were it not for the Iran factor
Do modern aircraft not require maintenance? I seem to recall F-35 ratio of flight to maintenance hours was extremely high.
@@benrichey2593 all aircraft require maintenance of course but some are far more time and resource intensive by entire factors. The F14 vs F18 was a drastic reduction increasing the cost to value significantly
Ive seen the F--14 described as the aircraft equivalent of an Anime Super Prototype that got put into mass production
@@demondoggy1825 it was an amazing aircraft. Many saw it as the F22 of its time... Once it got off the ground. I'm sure their are some 5th Gen aircraft that the same can be said about, though I don't know personally as they are after my time
@@Thekhajjah US was responsible for what happened in Iran and why its not an ally anymore if you check out the history.
If at 12 miles you hit the felon then where his missile went which was fired few seconds ago, it should have been close too
Also, some F-14 strike missions would be cool to see.
Damn, that SM6 packs a giant warhead!😲💣💥
😂 Vaporized!!! That was awesome.I was worried for a moment that GS was gonna get smoked
Love the safety wire in the cockpit, just below the HUD, great stuff GS.
I’ve seen Topgun, so I have faith. Remember, it’s not the airplane, it’s the ordinance!
I think a very big reason the Navy retired the tomcat was the exponentially increasing cost of maintenance due to aging.
True that, it was an aircraft with a lot of hydraulically operated avionics which is a nightmare to keep in the air.
It was also a complicated aircraft with low serviceability. Relatively low production numbers, not really multi role etc.
@@PappyGunn cost per unit was way too high, it nearly bankrupted Grumman itself.
@@traviswalker8933 I always considered it as a strange aircraft in between two eras. You can see it in the aerodynamics and avionics (like analog/digital mix), comparing before and after.
Two things. One, axe heads. Two, what if you pushed him, instead of being defensive after ever launch. Put him defensive, let your missile get smoked but follow up. Never let off. Worth trying, even if you lose. I don’t think you would.
Funny enough I know the guy in the AIM 174 photo
the Tomcat is the best looking jet ever made
Yeah I agree. Especially from a front profile view. It's one of those aircraft that when fully loaded for bear. Says " Don't F with me"
@larrybetteridgeii2817, really, now F35 can destroy the F14 from a long range, say "Don't dare to p off me." Even though Iranian Air Force is using it. So Israel has a chance to kill it.
Yes, with the Su-30 very close on that competition.
Its those high shoulders. Looks like a muscle car jet. Its god damn mean looking
F22! Not only is is good looking, it's scary looking as well.
I love the F-14 but its time was over. The naval bomber threat was gone and the F-14's ability to generate sorties was severely limited due to the outrageous maintenance requirements.
True with older tech. But a modernized Tomcat could’ve streamlined some of the maintenance issues. And been a formidable aircraft into the 2040’s
@@Wargasm54I read somewhere that Grumman actually offered that solution to the maintenance problem but the navy already went with the hornets or something like that Z
Great video. The Tomcat will always have a place in my heart. Love how you have brought other real pilots into the vids. Keep up the great work sir. Thank you.
Again Maverick would be proud of you!, it makes me think what if we had F-14 ST fully upgraded?. Because we are still trying to fill that gap that the F-14 left when we retired it!, I know we have the F-15X but it's no F-14.
The Return Of The King! 🙌🏾
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Definitely retired too soon. Should’ve kept all of the D’s. Last one rolled off the line in 92. Something that I think would be interesting. Play one scenario with the Tomcat launching from a carrier against a bomber formation with escorts from a certain distance out. Then do the same thing with a hornet. Both armed with as many AIM 174’s that they could carry. See which can do it better. It’d be interesting to observe max air speed, altitude, fuel consumption etc
I was in the Navy when the Tomcat was introduced to the Fleet. While at my AE "A" ( At mucus Tennis shoe.) school for the tomcat. Specifically, I always wondered why they did not take the seeker out of the high-speed anti-radiation missile and put it in the seeker of the tomcats Phoenix. Granted, I was only 17 and not an engineer, but back then I thought for sure it would have been able to lock on to an enemy aircraft radar and seek that way.
Nice call. Where'd he go? where'd who gooooo?"
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Agree! Yes please do the hypersonic fight but launch from the f15ex as its radar may even be a tad better for improving your range and detection.
Using his jammer was a tactical error by the Felon. he would probably have gotten the first shot if the F-14 had to rely on his active radar only,
Very nicely done! Good call. The only thing I can see as a problem with f-14 is the RIO.
OMG I love the F14! It was the LOUDEST fighter I'd ever heard at an airshow😊 Up until that time I thought the F15 was loud.....not even close. Loves every minute of that demo
That's wild because the engines used in both are basically the same, they're interchangeable to a degree along with the F-16's single engine, just need to put on different outer bits to mount it into the engine bay and away she goes.
@@TheOriginalFaxon Could have been TF-30s that were loud.
@@TheOriginalFaxon might have been because the 14 is much heavier?
@@dumdumbinks274 Yea it's possible the early F-14 engines were louder than the later P&W F100 and the modernized variants like the -229 that you can get now, which are significantly more efficient and thus can produce the same amount of power at a lower output, which would make the aircraft potentially sound quieter at similar absolute thrust values. Spin that engine up to max throttle and kick in the afterburner though, and I'm sure it'll scream all the same
1:31 * insert TOP GUN Gong*
Haha def! It’s the top gun maverick fight!
Can we take a moment to appreciate the very reasonable and restrained yield on the 174B's warhead.
That felon didn't only get shot down, it teleported into another universe.
If they had in fact remanufactured the youngest A's & B's along with the full run of new D's, it would not be difficult to fathom that they would have potentially gone forward with the Tomcat 21. Like another commenter said, it would be a new build like the F-15EX. Who knows what kind of engineering changes they would have made to make the wing box and screw jack mechanism simpler and stronger. New engines, all new avionics and the works ... It would have def been a natural choice for the 147 and stayed relevant for a long time still.
So I got to thinking about his missile shooting down the AIM-174B. Would a double tap be a nasty surprise? Launch one on the jamming signal, climb or drop 2k ft or so, then launch a second? I'd think that if the launches were spaced close enough in time, but with some distance spatially, he might only have the one missile in the air. By the time he realizes there were 2 missiles launched, it'd be too late. Just a thought.
The felon's RWR would see the lock from both missiles, though. He could bulldog an R-77 and then defend the other missile. It wouldn't be a surprise.
You could only imagine what the tomcat would be capable of with a modern avionics suite,damn cool aircraft retired way too early..maverick would be proud😂..
I feel like every tomcat video missed the F-14s greatest trick that funny projection under the F-14S nose is a camera with a huge telephoto lense supposed to allow you to fire a Phoenix without using the radar
Missed his chance with the second to last missile, he should have been chasing you down as you mentioned, well played.
Bro the ST21 with those strapped to it is a scary thought for a peer adversary. Hell those things on a hornet is bad enough but Jesus!
The Felon driver descended as a fine mist over the parched ground.
An excellent example of where a loyal Wingman might send out a jamming signal that can be locked while the Fox 3 is being launched using electro optical.
That was pure awesomeness!
Of course we want to see that fight!
That was a good one.
Definitely do more of that 👍🏻
FOOOOOOOOOOOOO hooooooo did you see the curve on that missile just before it hit the felon awesome man!!!!
Perfect!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!!
Thats what you call drop the microphone moment ! Tomcat 14 so devastating !
Definitely wanna see the hypersonic fight.
Dude that'd be a great fight
Side note imagine seeing that trail still coming to you. tracking, scary as hell
Lets see the Tomcat with the Aim-174B vs the Felon with the R-77.!!!!! 🤙
take a shot every time GS says "missile" in this video
That WAS fascinating. Let's see the other option.
Time to buzz the tower! 💪🏼💪🏼 Love the f14 🔥 never saw one flying 😢
17:26 Felon: oh shh....
Updating the missles on an older aircraft to me is like putting winter tires on a car when it’s cold.
Makes a world of difference when you don’t think it should.
At Miss time 9:35 missile shot dwn look rht!! you can see the PUFF of smoke!!
a suggestion. Build a scenario with F-35B/C (with limited AMRAMs) out front with F/A-18F with AIM 174Bs agaisnt a variety of PLA aircraft. Give the USN forces an E-3D Hawkeye and see if the Lightnigh II can 'see and pass' target info to the E3D and then to the Super Hornet to see if that set up is able to defeat the PLA AF.
Maverick would be proud!
Good stuff Maynard!
After an aim174, the felon turns super stealth. Not even the eyes can see it 😂
Yes! The long range hypersonic missiles on the Felon V this F14 with these missiles would be an interesting fight!
The weapons load on an aircraft can literally define the rules of engagement and the nature of the fight.....even if the aircraft are different generations.
Yes! We want that fight!
Anytime Baby!!
Rooster:"It's not the plane it's the pilot." This reminds me of Top Gun Maverick
Then, why are people making 5th gen aircraft. It's means they are fool to listen to that movie name. Which is not even real at all. Also, SU57 is not a joke. It's worse than you think. It can even challenge an F22 raptor in BVR. Do you even forget about the part or what?
A slow Felon on the deck watching this angry telephone pole screaming straight into his face. Pure terror for the 2 seconds he saw the thing before it turned him to ash.
Well done! I would like to see an R-37 fight against the 14.....
17:30...looks like skeet shooting.
I’d love even a un narrated tac view at the end of these matches
"It's not the plane.. it's the -pilot- missile" 😉😁
A fully modernized f14 would be a mean bird for sure. Would love to see someone make a new one, it would fit so many roles.
Of course we want to see that fight.
The F14 had over 14,000 moving parts.
At the time it was the most complicated aircraft that we had.
Swap out the engines, build a newer airframe, and update technology. Then we will have "Maverick Top Gun" IV,- XV.