Demaree, Single Brood Chamber and Double nuc, 3 ways to make more honey

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 16 янв 2025

Комментарии • 98

  • @davidbarnes936
    @davidbarnes936 11 месяцев назад +6

    Thank you. You and Bob Binnie are the best teachers out there. This video helped answer my questions about managing my hives with limited resources this year (I.e., not enough drawn comb for my expansion from 2 to 10 hives by way of purchasing overwintered nucs).

  • @tonyvanoostrom3501
    @tonyvanoostrom3501 11 месяцев назад +4

    Well done Peter! You blew this one out of the park! What a fantastic suite of tools for the tool box to boost honey production for the Hobby Beekeeper… good for newbie’s to learn about and great for beekeepers with intermediate and advanced experience to learn and apply. Anyone contemplating applying these approaches I recommend watch your video a few times to make sure you catch all the details and nuances. Just as hives are different… so can the resulting treatment or manipulation. I hadn’t thought of your integration idea with Single Brood Box management or Nucs using some principles of Demaree. Those are excellent. For years Beekeepers have been taught that splitting hives was the only means of swarm control and that came with a price … reduced honey production. I have been using Demaree on my hives for several years now… as long as those checks for emergency cells in the top boxes are done thoroughly by shaking frames around day 8/9, this technique has worked consistently for me to stop swarming. Remember, Demaree can be a preemptive manipulation before you see swarm cells, or reactive after you discover swarm cells. Probably a bit more risk when you have cells established and capped, but so far in my experience it has still worked well. One of the big bonuses with Demaree and Peter touched on it is that you can draw a lot of new frames quickly with this method. Thus, even though Demaree is more work in some regards, I can see it to be appealing to integrate for hobby beekeepers with more hives or side liners.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +1

      Tony thanks for the inspiration to make my first Demaree video and the nudge for this one too! I appreciate your comments and input. I agree for the backyard beekeeper looking to get the most from a few hives this is a huge help.

  • @scotthenderson4376
    @scotthenderson4376 11 месяцев назад +1

    I need the weather to warm up some so I can get into my hives as things are starting to bloom. From the weight they didn't use the honey I left them. Great info think I'm going with SBM this year

  • @jeffperry9900
    @jeffperry9900 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another amazing video. Goes hand to hand with your last one on Demaree method. Interesting how you bring them down to winter in single brood management. Thanks again. I will practice these methods and learned I a lot!

  • @mfejza0
    @mfejza0 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Piter for your information, statistics and methods.

  • @sfroutdoors4014
    @sfroutdoors4014 11 месяцев назад +2

    Could you explain how you transition the hive back to “winter mode” after harvesting the honey? I am new to the bee keeping world and this seems quite complex. I’m in Texas and would like to manage my hives in a way to minimize the amount of feeding necessary in the winter time. Thanks for the great videos!

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +1

      This depends upon winter later honeyflows. If you do not want to feed (I feed them) then you need to condense all back to whatever your winter pattern is going to be (one deep or one deep with one medium, or two deeps) before the honeyflow finishes with time for them to fill adequately. To be honest I would expect to feed anyway incase you get it a bit wrong.

    • @John-qb8vd
      @John-qb8vd 10 месяцев назад

      Question re: giving a hive a frame of brood. Do you insert the frame of brood with the nurse bees on the frame? Or is it advisable to shake the nurse bees back into their home hive?

  • @woodlandharvesthoneycompanyllc
    @woodlandharvesthoneycompanyllc 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very good presentation! I know this works because I've tried all three. I really like doing it with the nucs.

  • @susanrowland8915
    @susanrowland8915 11 месяцев назад +1

    nice presentation of 3 very different methods, using the same basic principles. Thanks.

  • @glennsnaturalhoney4571
    @glennsnaturalhoney4571 11 месяцев назад +1

    I run deep and a medium brood. Trying ro come up with a Snelgrove plan for this layout.

  • @rtxhoneybees
    @rtxhoneybees 11 месяцев назад +1

    I did something similar to your two queen system based on videos you did last year or the year before. Instead of double nuc boxes i use a 10 frame box with a divider. I put smaller swarms in each side. I didnt get as much honey as you but i did get one or two boxes of honey instead of just watching them build up all summer and not making any. One problem i ran into was that during our July , August dearth, the stronger side killed the queen in the weeker side. I plan to try again this year but i with split them at the end of the honey flow.

  • @BettyBeesss
    @BettyBeesss 11 месяцев назад +1

    For the double nuc, after the queens have filled their nuc with eggs/larvae...how do you prevent her from swarming or needing more space? Do you have to continuously cycle brood cell frames above the queen excluder and replace them with empty comb?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +1

      If there is a strong flow then they do not swarm if its an on/off season they might so watch them.

  • @johnconly8769
    @johnconly8769 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video!!!! When you do the drawings with the positions of the boxes really makes it clear. I like in Louisiana . I’ve heard a lot of negative things about doing this method in the south. Due to our season being so long. Would you recommend a Single brood or double brood . I would think that later in the season on single I would have to pull brood frames to keep from swarming. Which would still be ok . Can make small splits. Thanks again for your videos.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Taking brood out works but even better is just to repete the zDemaree manipulation 2 or even three times. Then you are building a bigger and bigger colony without swarming....unless you want to use brood elsewhere.

    • @johnconly8769
      @johnconly8769 11 месяцев назад

      Ty for the reply. Keep videos coming. Have a great day!!!!

  • @benjamindejonge3624
    @benjamindejonge3624 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great explanation off this complicated topic, but I’m a old man now so how does it work out with a long top bar hive

  • @KeesHoneyBees
    @KeesHoneyBees 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was wondering if you ever use a upper entrance to let the drones brood have a way out, rather than them clogging up the queen excluder

    • @kathysarmcandy1992
      @kathysarmcandy1992 11 месяцев назад

      Plus easier super filling.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +1

      yes

    • @ME_MeAndMyBees
      @ME_MeAndMyBees 11 месяцев назад +1

      KeesHoneyBees. . .
      Think it would depend on your Hive Type. . .
      Here in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 most Beeks use the UK 'National', some also use Langstroth too.
      I also have been using Warre Hives to great effect.
      All the above I use with a Single Entrance : in the Brood Box with no Top Venting or Bee Access. Mainly due to our Cold Winters. And once Bee Colonies increase: the effects of Robbing.
      Unless Peter suggests his Tips, I would personally: do an odd Inspection / more moving a Box off / alter its position for a few Minutes (let those Drones out) and re-Stack / Align up as before. Hope this helps. 😎
      🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
      Happy Beekeeping 2024
      🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
      You don't state where you are based. (Are you in the Fla Keys by any chance ? Re Name !?)
      If so, have Family your way. 😏
      I know many Beeks in Colder Regions don't like top Vents or Entrances. As its to much of a 'Stressor' on the Colony. Bees 'Defend' their main Entrance via Guard Bees.
      I do see sometimes Beekeepers using a 'Snelgrove Board' using the 'Warmth' of the Colony down below, to assist more quickly a "Split".
      This Board does have a "Top" Entrance choice : to manipulate the Bees (stolen) out of the Main Colony, where Nurse Bees are desired up top, but the Foragers are not required (!) They Drift off Home : back into the Basement Apartment ! 😆
      Its a technique bit like a Demaree & and a Single Split 'Offspring' ! Kind of. . . 🙄
      Used more to make more Colonies [Increases] over that of making Honey. . .
      Plenty of Snelgrove use Videos on RUclips. 👍

  • @honeyandthecoop803
    @honeyandthecoop803 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great explanation on something new to me, my only question so far is, are all these methods done with still the single entrance at the bottom?

  • @jtelander
    @jtelander 11 месяцев назад +1

    If you have the equipment, what is the maximum number of colonies you believe you could Demaree by yourself in a beekeeping year?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Hundreds but I don't have the time or the bees ready early enough (because I split to make nucs.

    • @jtelander
      @jtelander 11 месяцев назад

      @@BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer I was wondering about the time aspect mostly.

  • @jaminbultman5526
    @jaminbultman5526 7 месяцев назад

    Are there concerns about collecting honey in brood boxes that have been treated for mites last year (I used apiguard and oxalic dribble last year)? Thanks for sharing this video!

  • @markj3851
    @markj3851 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Peter. Will 2 5frame nucs below a qe and combined 10frame honey super spread the bees across both hives.? One nuc is new and smaller than the other. Thanks for your videos.

  • @Jolinpat
    @Jolinpat 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video, Thank You!!
    Question, could I put an additional Queen excluder above honey supers and allow the top boxes raise a new Queen? I would have a top entrance for the Queen to go on her mating flight. I would then remove the top brood boxes after the honey flow and give them a new location on their own. Thoughts?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +2

      Yes but then with two brood chambers you will not likely get quite as much honey unless it is still early in the honeyflow as its all about ratio of field bees to nurse bees. The aim is to put most of the workers in the fieldforce just as the honeyflow peaks.

    • @Jolinpat
      @Jolinpat 11 месяцев назад

      Thank you again for answering my question!! I have one more 🙂. If I pinch off all Queen cells, will there be an increased risk of laying workers?

  • @jamesruan913
    @jamesruan913 11 дней назад

    If you have 2 brood boxes above 2 super boxes on top of the mother brood box ,with an entrance on the mother brood box base ,where do I put another entrance for the new virgin queen to leave and return as a queen of the trapped drones ? Or type of entrance

  • @AnonYmous-v5l
    @AnonYmous-v5l 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks so much for this very informative video. I take it from what you're saying that after the new bees hatch from the brood moved to upper boxes, the bees will cleanup the empty frames then produce honey in them. My question is whether there are any issues harvesting honey from frames formerly occupied by brood? Thanks.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  10 месяцев назад

      I make and sell a lot of nucs so my brood comb is typically one year old....if it were 5 years old this could darken honey.

  • @jamesdavis3600
    @jamesdavis3600 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very informative video on increasing honey production. In the last method you talked about using the nucs, what size nuc boxes are you using to get a standard 10-frame box to sit on top of the two nucs?

  • @Amanda-wt8hb
    @Amanda-wt8hb 8 месяцев назад +1

    By doing this method aren’t you using frames for honey production that you have previously treated for varroa?

  • @rtxhoneybees
    @rtxhoneybees 11 месяцев назад +1

    What quality if cells do they make in the Demare? The reason i ask is that i generally move the queen from a very strong colony to priduce queens cells that i will harvest. This, of course, sets them back. If i could keep the queen and collect high quality cells that would be awesome.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Remember the queen cells generated in the uppr chambers are by default emergency queen cells so I would say are of much lower quality than say swarm cells.

    • @rtxhoneybees
      @rtxhoneybees 11 месяцев назад

      @@BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer Just as a point of clarification, grafted cells are also emergency queens cells - but I get your point. And that makes sense, because most of the returning bees are in the bottom rebuilding and the colony is pretty much split in half. When you pull a queen from a strong colony without any other manipulation, those emergency cells are more akin to swarm or grafted cells. Enjoying this style of video. Keep it up.

  • @thetaterbug
    @thetaterbug 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very new to beekeeping. Is there concern for using frames that were used for brood to then use for honey?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Generally, OK to use for honey unless the colony has been treated for mites with synthetic treatments or antibiotics have been used. If in doubt...don't.

  • @jrys23
    @jrys23 7 месяцев назад

    Would they backfill the Single BCM box before the queen can fill it with eggs?

  • @barbrafeeley6118
    @barbrafeeley6118 10 месяцев назад +1

    So today in South Carolina I moved my bees to the bottom brood chamber, looked for swarm cells and put QE , then a empty super, then the next super with brood and eggs on top. Now that my queen is confined to the bottom, won't it get too crowded for her to lay? Or will they hopefully be too busy drawing out comb and storing honey to notice? Thanks! Your video helped me so much!

  • @ME_MeAndMyBees
    @ME_MeAndMyBees 11 месяцев назад

    Hi Peter.
    My recommendation to come to your RUclips Channel to view the Demarre Method :
    I mentioned to a 'Viewers' Question (on Fred Dunns Q&A YT Channel) must of caused a Rush on 'Viewers' coming your way ! 😆
    As always. . .
    A neat easy 'Way' to do "Bee Management." 👍
    Saying Hi from a very Cold, Wet, & Windy Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
    Do you miss our Weather ? 🤭
    Our Bee Season will start soon, Oh I do hope so.
    Think I have Cabin Fever with all these Storms, Gales, Snow and Freezing Temps.
    I need some "Bee" time. . .
    So thank you for RUclips content 'talking' everything 'Bee Related'. 😉
    🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
    Happy Beekeeping 2024
    🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
    Question :
    When did yourself as a Scotsman, decide to hope the Pond and be in Maine ?
    Which part of Scotland did you come from. And did you keep Bees here / Or learnt all this Stateside ?. . .
    Saying Hi from a blustery cold Weekend here in the lovely Scottish Borders. Famous for Heather Honey, the Smith Hive. And I am lucky to have Black Bees AMM, not far from the famous Willie Robson at Chainbrige Honey Farm.
    Guess he is about x15 Miles away as the Crow flies. 😏
    Did a visit to his Farm near Berwick upon Tweed. He's a lovely old Beek with so many Stories to tell. Love all that knowledge and Heritage !
    And we will here more from him, when he comes to our local Bee Association in the coming Month or so.
    That will be a real treat. . . 😎

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Well thank you! I appreciate folks spreading the word. I thought their must have been more to it than just a decent video! I am actually native to New England by birth with an English Dad and American Mum. Moved to school in the Isle of Man at 14 and lived in Newcastle a further 25 years before returning to Maine. Some UK bee experience but much more here. Thanks for the promotion and comments!

  • @Shukeroo
    @Shukeroo 11 месяцев назад +1

    Really enjoyable video- thanks! Curious about why you think (I believe you observe it!) separating the brood in Demaree makes such a difference in production compared to your second method?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад +2

      I meant to explain that! My reasoning is that it radically increases the % of workers who are field bees as apposed to house bees. Bigger field force+more honey

  • @bsslrs111090
    @bsslrs111090 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Peter. Great content on your channel. Thank you. Another question for you about the Demaree method. I was thinking I would do it pretty soon. However, it's still getting down to about 50-degrees at night here in SoCal. If I put the open brood up in the top box and leave the queen and two frames of capped brood in the bottom, do I need to worry that that the colony will be too spread out and have difficulty staying warm at night? If this is a concern, is there a target (low) temp I should wait for before doing my Demaree split?

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      There must be a GOOD population of bees, enough to keep everything warm in the prevailing conditions. If in doubt don't put any extra honey supers on till you are sure.

  • @Ambees_Honey
    @Ambees_Honey 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another fabulous video! I am always full of questions! you mentioned shaking all the bees down into the single brood chamber etc. Have you had any instances where the bees dont go all the way up to the top to tend the uncapped brood? Another question, you leave the queen at the bottom with one frame of capped brood, no or little honey on that one frame, is there a risk of her dying from starvation or do they move up and get food to feed her? I'm so excited to try this method this year, coming out of my first winter as a beekeeper! Thank you so much for your education and videos!

  • @angelawoodring962
    @angelawoodring962 Месяц назад +1

    I will be doing this

  • @creativenative218
    @creativenative218 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'm very new to beekeeping & I really appreciate all of your videos. I have a couple of questions though. In the double queen method....Will the workers be aggressive towards the other workers of the opposite queen or the opposite queen? Or do all the workers tend to both queens equally & each other?

  • @CCCRApiary
    @CCCRApiary 11 месяцев назад +1

    Peter, do you manipulate every hive in a yard this way or just a few of the strongest?

  • @MaryHarbage
    @MaryHarbage 11 месяцев назад +1

    How do you handle removing the honey supers to check the bottom super, without hurting your back??

  • @nivekmic
    @nivekmic 11 месяцев назад

    You mentioned adding a queen in the third option. I was wondering how you go about getting new queens. Do you simply buy them or do you raise your own?

  • @kathysarmcandy1992
    @kathysarmcandy1992 11 месяцев назад +1

    How much are you leaving back for winter where you are?

  • @jeanneholub751
    @jeanneholub751 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can you do this if you treated those deeps for mites last fall?

  • @freddybloggs4833
    @freddybloggs4833 11 месяцев назад +1

    any thoughts on how to do a demaree in a horizontal hive config?

  • @TwistedPistonRacing
    @TwistedPistonRacing 11 месяцев назад +1

    Could you typically use the damaree method on a first year hive?
    How do you go from all those boxes back to prepping the hive for winter with a double deep?

    • @robertlewis3336
      @robertlewis3336 11 месяцев назад

      That's my concern also. I think if you harvested the honey from one of the deeps, you could put it back on the bottom deep with plenty of time for them to refill it prior to winter, as long as you had drawn comb & not foundation. I'd feed to make sure though.

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      Yes, absolutely if it reached the point where it might swarm for sure!

    • @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer
      @BeekeepingwithTheBeeWhisperer  11 месяцев назад

      In terms of winter prep you could either lstop early and let them fill a deep with honey or , as I do, feed heavily with syrup in Sept/Oct and overwinter as singles or nucs

  • @jrys23
    @jrys23 11 месяцев назад +1

    Planning to use your last method in an Apimaye with division boards. Do you think I’ll need to stack 2 split brood boxes or 1?

  • @ronandjanet4ever
    @ronandjanet4ever 3 месяца назад

    If you are putting all honey above queen extruder, how is she going to eat. I know probably dumb question

  • @jenmclamb5577
    @jenmclamb5577 10 месяцев назад

    I may be wrong, but I thought you couldn't use frames and equipment that had been exposed to apivar for honey harvestable for human consumption. That would mean you have to track which pieces of brood equipment have been exposed and not use them for the top boxes. I'm not sure how you would do that?

  • @mcummings
    @mcummings 11 месяцев назад +1

    do you include an upper entrance in your Demaree set ups?

  • @KennedyArpe-wk7tq
    @KennedyArpe-wk7tq 11 месяцев назад

    You would only have 133 more. Do you have the original 180 pounds with an additional 240 sounds.

  • @Ktish74
    @Ktish74 11 месяцев назад +1

    What about the chemicals in the brood chamber? After each treatment of bees, chemicals accumulate in the brood chamber, so there is a recommendation not to extract honey from the brood chamber. In your methods, you say that you need to move the brood frames and extract honey from them.

  • @blhassler
    @blhassler Месяц назад +1

    It is not 250% more honey; it would be 150% more + the original 100%