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Thanks Steve, this video is right on time for me. I have the x370 Taichi after buildzoid recommended it, so it is compatible with the updated BIOS to support 3rd gen. Since you can't reflash the BIOS and it doesn't feature dual BIOS, it seems like a risky upgrade. Based on these results, I think I'll just stick with this for now but when to upgrade is the question. The main thing I'm looking forward to is the 'halo' card from AMD, and if it's completely bottlenecked by the CPU, I guess that'll be the time for an upgrade. Hopefully first gen AM5 isn't plagued by as many issues and comes out swinging.
pls dont spread false information that 1700 can be easly overclocked to 3.9 and more, seen more than few of them that cant even hit 3.7 without voltage bump - every youtuber trying to say that you just have to enter bios and set multiplier to 37 when most of 1700 are not good enought to be overclocked past 3.8 - this behaviour creates a lot of misunderstanding.
If it isn't for the AMD R7 1700 , Intel will still sell you a 4c/8t Core i7 in the consumer range today. Everyone should thank AMD whether you like AMD or not.
david hernandez chulo exactly! Intel corruption provided an ideal opportunity for AMD to exploit in the market. Intel is rotting from within and it’s glorious to watch.
If you have some decent RAM, you can tune frequency and timings. This helps a lot, especially for Ryzen first gen. However, this also only matters if you run games on a high refresh rate monitor at more than 60 FPS.
@@MHWUU at my case, my 1600 and b450 really didn't work with my ram, can't even keep xmp (3200 16-18-18) stable at 1.45v. I think it will take ages for me to get a decent trimming that works, but that's the problem with zen1.
Veda Chan Even with Samsung B Die, I could not get my 3200 Ram to run more than 2400 with Zen 1 :/ Even with Zen 2 I had to over volt and set timings manually to get stock speeds.
@@justinholmes5614 what motherboard are you using? I overclock my ram from 2666Mhz C16 (Kingston fury HyperX, Nanya A Die) to 3200 c16 with little to no problem, Ryzen 5 2600. My kit is on the QLV list of my motherboard thou (MSI B450 Bazooka plus), so it might affect the result.
@@noahbirdrevolution eve isn't a space game ,eve ist even a space themed rpg ,eve is space themed simulated economy ,and there is no competition in its sector ,because there aren't any online economies that are anywhere close to the level of eve ,but you can't compare eve online to a space game ,it's like comparing going to engineering school Vs mathematics ,both have a common point ,but in practice everything about them is different
@@expiracy9458 once you upload a video you can schedule it to be public at the time when most of your audience is awake, and I'm assuming that gamers nexus' audience is mainly on the US so time zone differences between us territory are not that dramatic, this came out early for Europe but if you read the comments you'll see everyone commenting was just about to go to sleep lmao
I remember a time during which I'd go prowling the internet for some oddly specific numbers and tests. Every now and then, I'd hit this weird site I'd never heard about. It was even spelled wrong: Gamers Nexus. It took a while, I was sceptical, but soon I'd default to this dude called Steve. The only person willing to go all the way and do methodologically correct investigations. You've come a long way and I can't thank you enough for still being with us.
I came across gamersnexus when my Zotac 980 amp was not ocing as expected, and GN was the only outlet reporting on this issue and warning ppl not to buy. I realized my card was doing the exact same thing and returned it. I've been following them ever since.
I'm sure the community can tell you that there's nothing to be nervous about! It's all easy stuff. Be careful with the pins and take care socketing the RAM to make sure it's oriented the right way. Screw with confidence!
Building computer is easy as long as you don't rush. In the end it's like those kid's shape sorting cubes. Think it this way: I was able to guide my mother on how to change graphics card and ram over a phone call..and she's not tech savvy at all.
Your lucky ! i remember everyone talking about their "easy 4Ghz OC" but mine is the worst i managed to get it @3,8 stable, even with more voltage and on 2 different B350 motherboards it's not fully stable :/
@@frankmario6747 I tried hitting 4.0, but after putting 1.4v into mine and it still not being fully stable I decided to stick with 3.9, luckily I managed to hit 3.9 all core at 1.32v, not bad at all! I remember being pretty impressed with temperatures and everything when I was first working out how far I could push it, even with just the stock wraith spire that I have since swapped out. Bummer about the one you got though :/
@@hugo9016 I know right. I have the 2600 @4.1 GHz and 1.32 V and my dad has the same chip, same motherboard and cant get it past 3.85 at reasonable voltages. Its just lottery.
Yeah, see this is why even though I have a bit of FOMO getting a 7700k in 2017 vs a 8700k that came out a few months later, I don't have FOMO for not getting on the AM4 platform. Today I'd definitely go AMD, but I just think that the 7th and 8th gen Intel parts were still the go to for gaming builds
For gaming builds they are still way better, starting with 10600k or 10700k if you want a bit more "futureproofing" (or even 10700f honestly as tests show it to be extremely good)
@@Tc4ify Honestly, considering the HUGE difference in cost between 10600k and 10700k with respect to r5 3600 or 3700x respectively, it doesn't make any sense to buy them for futurproofing, since they would have t last like 40% longer, to be relevant, and they won't
When Zen first launched... I looked at it like.. "Well, its not bad, its good enough for good competition". And it was certainly hell of an increase over bulldozer. It couldn't beat intel from my impressions but it was certainly worth considering if at least to go back to the brand that I loved so much in the past. I still held off and clung to my 2600K as my gamer as then Zen+ launched, and then Zen2. Threadripper on zen and zen+ never interested me in the slightest, and I was doing workloads where I would really need it. As I had an old used dual socket 6 core westmere workstation I was using for that stuff as I got busy with my work already since about the time I bought my 2600K. Then when I saw Zen2 delidded and space for that extra chiplet... I gasped... And waited... Zen2's numbers were fantastic, and truly competitive both in performance and price, and then the 3950X launched and I finally opened my wallet and came back home to AMD after a very long absence... And hopefully wont be looking back for a long time to come. No regrets. A friend of mine hung onto his 1100T hex core and replaced it with a ryzen 1700 shortly after its launch, and has been on AMD since his very first computer.. A 386 DX40. He has never once had an Intel. And this video today will be aimed squarely at him. He several times was forced to cling to a machine far longer than was ideal in anticipation of AMD coming out with a winner. And several times he didn't regret those choices, with the Athlon 550, the Athlon 64, and any time AMD was able to leap over everyone else.... And then his 1700. It has made him a very proud fanboy.
yeah it's interesting I'm still using a 2700K but had to get a second system with a 2600K to handle streaming games at 60fps but want to upgrade, now I'm torn what the best upgrade is, 3900X or 10600K?
@@seangill1096 if you already know you're gonna upgrade to am5 or whatever then why bother with Intel platform? You could do am4 buy zen 3 when it comes out and then upgrade someday later. Edit: Nevermind I understand now.
I was still using my 2500K until a few months ago, I felt it was finally time to upgrade and went with an R5 3600. The 2500K did well but I am so glad I finally upgraded.
@@Stallzyx My path is a lot easier. I won't care about the new platforms for awhile as I have two x470 hero boards and will probably just drop in a 3900x and a 3950x for an uplift over my 2600x and 2700x. It will carry me for a few years. For you I would think more cores would be better for streaming games unless you are going high refresh. I would probably get a 3900x or just wait a few months if you can to see what next gen has.
@@Stallzyx Well, Look at it this way, no one buys a high end video card to run 1080P low. Games are always gpu bound almost 99% of the time. Go for the 3900X, the streaming performance while gaming is absolutely unreal. My 3950X is absolutely effortless streaming any game at high quality and bitrate. And my software isn't even particularly optimized either, I have all sorts of shit running in the background. I am not worried about upgrade path, after all, how many times have we actually upgraded cpu and motherboard separately? CPU"s are usually more expensive than average boards anyhow and DDR5 is coming in a year or two. So anything you get now will be a total replace in the next round of upgrades after that almost no matter what. And single threaded performance of the 3950x is a great deal ahead of the 2600-2700k by quite a noticeable amount. So the 3900x will be as well.
Wow, talk about great timing...I just got the last part delivered today for my grandson's first rig, a Ryzen 7 1700 based build. I wanted to get the 3100 but could never find it in stock. This video shows that I made the right choice going for the used 1700 for the same price. I was leary about overclocking the 1700 because of wattage and the B450 board I'm building on. This video has answered all my questions concerning this build. Thank you very much for this video. I can move forward with the knowledge I have gained from this without hesitation or wasteful time spent trying to overclock.
I recently got one too. My first non-budget CPU. Never really experienced the importance of minimum fps before first hand... every game, even old ones just feel like butter.
Here in the UK I was looking at 2nd hand parts, needed to drop my FX8350, was looking at a Ryzen 1700 but even 2nd hand it was around £200 where I got a brand new 3600 for £155. In production it seems the performance is close and in games the 3600 is better, so either way buying new seemed like a win/win to me. On the other hand the way I see it recommending graphics cards ATM is a nightmare with rumors suggesting AMD and Nvidia about see a big performance leap and new consoles coming out so it's hard to tell what spec changes we'll see in games in the coming years. I'd definitely say if you are looking to buy for raytracing to hold off if you can.
@@GamersNexus used 1700 prices are way too high on ebay $100+ (not counting jerks asking $150) after your vid thinking new1600 better price performance with a used RX580 I have Mirco center close so NEW AsRock B450pro $79.99 Evga 500 80+ $59.99 Gskill ripjaws V 2X4GB Inland 512gb ssd Thermaltake v100 atx $49.99
@@GamersNexus A few weeks ago I bought a Threadripper 1950x and Gigabyte x399 AORUS Gaming 7 for $600. Also a few days before that I ordered a Ryzen 7 1700 with a MSI x370 SLI Plus, and a Thermaltake Contac Silent air cooler for $249. Were these good deals?
Depends what you expect from it l, it's not useless like the FX series that could barely top a Core2Duo. But it can be equalled by a warm Sandy Bridge...
@@Nighterlev the best FX is slower than most Sandy Bridges with no overclock. My 2550K benches better than any FX aside from maybe someone doing some crazy cooling system to pass 5ghz without melting a motherboard. 1st Gen core might be fair.
Hey Steve, I've been watching you since about 7 months before Ryzen 1's original launch. I was just exploring the idea of upgrading to a 3900x from my 1800x and was wondering how much of an improvement it'd be. You guys are literal gods, producing the content I desperately want before I even want it. Thanks and keep up the great work!
@ eSportsMonies That depends on what you're going to use the build for if you plan on going into production work then sure it could be worth the upgrade, just look at the previous review on the channel.
My friend has a 1700, and he's about to upgrade to a 5700xt from an RX 580, I'm glad this video came out when it did. Looks like the 1700 is still holding on reasonably well, all things considered.
@@stuporman Don't assume people who bought the CPU did so for gaming it was a productivity aimed processor 10 year old intel is gonna suck bad for any kind of photo/video workflow.
@@stuporman outside of gaming the 1700 still does great. I've got one in a server. it's cheap, really efficient and can handle a bunch of VMs and hosts no problem.
I'll chime in with a mini-review of the R7 1700 from a consumers POV. I picked up a Ryzen 7 1700 at the end of March '17 for about $400 AUD ($305 USD at the time). For me, it was a no-brainer; the i7-7700K was faster in games, but the R7 1700 performed more like one of Intel's Broadwell-E HEDT processors in production tasks while being less expensive than an i7-7700K. For reference, I was upgrading from an i7-3770. My personal rig does a lot of stuff - gaming, streaming, code compilation, video rendering, virtualisation, etc., and the balance of performance and price offered by the Ryzen 7 1700 made it the clear pick of what was available at the time. Intel's higher performance in games hasn't been a draw for me as I'm still using an R9 290X 4GB GPU at 1080p/75Hz, so the bottleneck is pretty much always on the GPU when gaming (outside of select titles). I've got mine overclocked to 3.8 GHz at 1.285V (SET) and it chugs along quite nicely. I play and stream games like World of Warcraft, CoD: Modern Warfare, Satisfactory, and the combination of R7 1700 and R9 290X serves me very well. So that's the good, what about the bad? Well, I picked the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO as my board of choice - the only options available to me at the time were the C6H, MSI's X370 Xpower Gaming Titanium (which Buildzoid and many others rightfully called out as not being very good), ASRock's X370 Taichi, and Gigabyte's AX370 Gaming K7. Having to take the plunge on a flagship motherboard hurt a bit, but none of the other X370 or B350 boards had become available at the time, and I knew AM4 was a brand new platform meaning the flagship boards would get the best support (in theory). The board itself has been great - I'm running BIOS 6401 (AGESA PinnaclePi 1.0.0.6) as I haven't needed to upgrade to support Zen 2. What hasn't been so great is memory support. 1st gen Ryzen is a picky, picky architecture. My kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) is rated for 3200 C16, but it uses Hynix AFR ICs and my early production run CPU _hates_ the stuff. I had it running at 2666 AUTO for the better part of three years simply because I couldn't be bothered testing and retesting to try and find a stable set of timings. More recently I used the DRAM calculator to try 3200 C16 (crashes in Windows) and 2933 C14 (seemed to work for a while but I started getting hard crashes), so I'm back to 2666 at 14-16-16-36-54-1T (I haven't adjusted timings since backing off from 2933 to 2666). My particular unit is also vulnerable to the old "kill Ryzen" Linux compilation bug that causes segmentation faults when executing certain instructions, given it was manufactured very early on in 2017, so that's not so great. All in all though, I'm very pleased with my purchase. The march of progress means that at best I'm looking at Ryzen 3 3100 or Ryzen 3 3300X performance in games (if I were to upgrade my GPU), but gaming is just one part of what I do. I'm in two minds about upgrading to a Ryzen 9 3900X when Ryzen 4000 comes out, or just waiting for DDR5, but it's nice to have options.
I didn't read you bought 1700 cpu and justify it.It's even slower than 6700k from 2015 and you want change in to another chiplet trash 3100 or 8 thread 3300x which is like 6700k looool typical amd fan
Whilst the RAM issues seem to have improved over time, it s still tricky I d say. Couldn t pretend that I tried anything crazy or extra fancy and didn t rly understand how to use the Dram Calculator program coz by the time it was out, I was already done and it didn t seem worth the hassle. I originally bought the LPX 2666mhz kit coz it was on Asus QVL and I already knew that RAM could be tricky. Tested it on 4 Ryzen PCs: Asus B350-F, X370 Crosshair 6, B350-Plus and MSI B350 Carbon Pro...on all Asus boards, it only was stable with a slight voltage adjustment (1.225+ and it becomes stable, at the indicated 1.2v no way). On MSI s board: no issue at all... As I tested it with 2 Ryzen 1600 and Ryzen 1700&1700x with purchase dates 1 year apart, I have the suspicion that it s not so much down to Ryzen but more down to Asus boards hating Hynix RAM which is mostly used for LPX kits. Did some research and found out that kits with E-die seem to be the best bet (2nd to Samsung s B-die which are costly and nowadays hardly available). No issues getting the system stable at 2933Mhz with: GSkill Aegis 3000mhz, Ripjaws V 3200Mhz and 32GB kits Crucial Ballistix Sport.3200Mhz on all boards...in case of the Crucial kits I can tell that it s E-die (AES in the product code means E-die). In case of the Asus boards: on all of these kits, I was also able to drop the RAM voltage from 1.3v standard spec to 1.225V+ with it being still stable...I found that quite a coincidence that on Asus boards 1.225 seems to be a magic number, running them at 1.25v now...simply coz I ve seen that there s no stability difference and performance was also the same so I thought lower voltage is always better (which might be wrong...). I ran the Ryzen 1700&1700x on 3200mhz for a while and the system felt snappier but hey 2933Mhz is rock solid and the differences in benchmarks were tiny. Anyway, I wouldn t waste any money to go from 2666 to 2933 but if you can get a deal or maybe wanna upgrade to a 32GB kit, I strongly recommend Crucial Ballistix Sport with AES in the product name, they re also commonly affordable (2933Mhz basically guaranteed...many many others pushed those kits a lot further using Dram Calculator or more elaborate manual settings).
Got the 1700 for 90 bucks. I wanted the 3300x but yeah paper launch, since im in a 3rd world country in a future i could flip it without losing value and i could buy a second hand 3600 when people start upgrading to ryzen 5000
Point worth adding: If you're not using a top of the line GPU the 1700/1700X is perfectly fine. Most of you buyers who can now snag a used 1700 for cheap will likely also be using a cheaper second hand GPU like GTX1060 / 1650 / RX580 /570 And it holds up great
Steve, I keep hearing people say "if your motherboard's VRM can handle a 3900x" then it would be a good upgrade; however if you are running a 170+ watt Ryzen 1700 at 3.9 - 4.175 GHz, then wouldn't you be pulling far less power with a 3900x at 150 watts or a 3950x pulling 135 watts through the VRM? Or am I missing something?
Lots of marketing but depends on mobo quality. Some will overheat over long use and poor cooling. My 1700x has another 2 to 4 before its half speed of flag ship processors of that time. Search 1700x vs 10700k. Negliable unless you want 4k or at 60 or 1440 at 120. 144 1080 is easy across the board.
I totally LOVED my 1700. It did run for 2 years at 4 ghz without any problem, with ram at 3400 cl14 (gaming at 3440x1440 with 1080ti). I swapped it with a 3800x, and I even more happy. But 1700 will stay in my heart. As a mostly gamer, I bought it because I wanted give AMD a possibility, useless to say I was so hyped for zen 1! It's still a nice cpu, glad GN revisited it!
I'm still using my Ryzen 7 1700 I bought launch month because my old AM3+ motherboard was failing. I'll probably use my 1700 two more years unless there's a pretty decent price drop on the 3700X then I'll grab one and drop it in my X370 board.
My 1700 is still going strong at 4.0GHz with minimal voltage increase over stock. It's tempting to upgrade to the 3700X but can't justify the cost i really don't need the extra performance so i think i'll wait for next gen motherboards, AM5 or whatever
I am still rocking a R7 1700 in a X470 mobo, once I get a GPU upgrade I will be moving from the 1700 to the 3700X. Love this CPU its a work and play horse in all honesty.
Very happy with my 1700. Been running at 3.4GHz all-core OC quite happily on stock cooler, using a B350 ASUS Prime board. Computer is still really solid, 4 years later.
Still running a 1700X, and still happy with the performance. I'm planning on keeping with it until at least the 4000 series, but it makes me think if it's still doing okay maybe ride it out for 5000 series, running a B350 mobo I probably will want to upgrade it either way
The R7 1700 is a great chip. Note that in RDR2 @3.9 GHz. it even outperforms the new R3 3300X (@Stock 4+ GHz) in 1% and 0,1% lows. The 1700 will age well with multi-thread optimizations in games.
one whole year after your video my 3 year old 1700 is still pushing 4.05GHz stable. Current benchmarks still close to match the 3700X (slightly behind).
i got the 1700 when it launched and it's pretty good still. ran it at 3.8ghz at 1.31v not great, not bad. currently needs a gpu upgrade (rx 580 on 1440p lol).
Hey Steve, thanks for doing this comparison so a lot of us won't have to. My CPUs do a lot more compiling than gaming, but I still come to this channel for technical performance information, because you understand the important issues, and can explain them without the hype. Keep it snarky!
still rocking my 1700x to this day. i don't upgrade every year or two years, because i'm not stupid. I upgrade once every 5-6 year so that i really get the benefit of upgrading. less than 10% of performance increase is not an increase. That's just a typo lol
I own a 2700x for half a year now, with 16gb 3200mhz ram kit, on a b450 tomahawk max, feels like i will only need to upgrade GPU in 5 years (have an RX 580 8GB since 2018 blackfriday) as i run any game decently, been having fun on Borderlands 3 :)
Same man , I play 1080p and still get over 100 frames in most all games I play with a 1650 super , I’m not upgrading this 1700x and I’m holding it until for atleast 2 to 3 more years
1700 fam! Been on it since release, however I did upgrade from rx580 to 2070 Super and added more ram (32gb for video production) I think we can still squeeze at least another 2 years from this cpu.
Estilo In Action well , I listed my 1700x for 120 usd on offer up and it got sold immediately. I got the 3600 for 175 and only paid the difference of 55 bucks to get the 3600. Didn’t need the upgrade but I jumped at the opportunity to sell the 1700x at 120
actually own a 1700x system and a 3900x system. both are insanely capable and really for gaming which i do mostly... its all gpu anyway. barring the odd outlier game that hammers the cpu.
When you buy something new you you tend to spend a little extra, although you know that price to performance is getting worse. Later if your stuff is maybe 1-2 years old,you think, damn it, I should have better saved my money.
Lol, I did that but paired with a GTX 1070. All I care about is 60+ fps in 1440p, so my next upgrade will likely be RDNA2 Or Ampere. As long as my cpu doesn't bottleneck me below 60fps I'll be happy. Hopefully games keep getting better at multithreading too.
@@ChrisPBacon9 Quite normal. Better get a little overpowered CPU, because a graphics card is much more easy to replace. For CPUs a meaningful upgrade usually means changing the board and often the RAM as well.
@@ChrisPBacon9 Oh dude I got my 1080 a month before the GPU mining craze took off. The same 1080 I got for $580 could be found for over 900 if I recall right.
With a GTX 980, and as a musician, upgrading to a 1700X, at launch, from an FX 8320, even at 4.6 GHz, was one of the best decisions I've every made. I was easily able to get 4.025 GHz at less than 1.4 V.
Kinda glad this was on my recommend as I was thinking of upgrading my 1700. Still got it running on stock settings with a 240mil rad. Using a B450 board so it should be compatible with the 3700x. Using a rx 5700xt
@@Taurus_Play If you purchased that cpu shortly after it came out, you've had a few years of enjoyable gaming. Be content in that knowledge. The fact is, in 2020, a person can buy a Ryzen 3 3300X for about a third of the price you paid for your 7700K and have virtually identical performance. If you are too broke to upgrade it, I can understand your defense of that purchase, but everything advances with time, especially in the PC world.
I did play a bit with a 1700 that I built for a mate, and I did OC it all core to 3.9 GHz. Compared to my OCed 2700x it felt just that tiny bit less smooth in windows but was still nice to use. That's as much as I can say about it :) Might have had to do with the ram as I couldn't get it as fast on the 1700 than the 2700x.
@@Bareego hmm yeah actually if you want a snappy windows on ryzen I would recommend disabling the highprecisioncontroller from device manager. It helped out for me.
I'm still yet to be bound by my 2700X, in any game, playing at 1080p. My RTX 2060 is the bottleneck so far. But I wonder what will happen when I upgrade to a new GPU.
went from 1700 to 3600. was worth the upgrade for 144Hz monitor no doubt, but 1700 served its purpose well. Techdeals made me buy it lol. giving it away to a family friend when I can get some money to throw together a build
@@janklaassen6404 honestly never thought about browser speeds, but not really regarding windows in general. maybe there is a difference but if there is its very small to the point that it never crossed my mind. got a 970 evo back when I built the R 1700 rig so windows went plenty fast with that setup. maybe search around for a benchmark? I know Jason from TechDeals talks about that kind of thing pretty often. seen Brian from TechYesCity mention it too when hes comparing his used xeon deals to modern hardware, but never about 1700 - 3600 I don't think
The 5800x would have been an instant purchase to replace my 1700 (~50% better) if only AMD didn't abandon 300 series mobos. It would have been a perfect streak for AM4 socket. They just had to get greedy...so even though I could shell out extra for a cheap B550, I'm now going to hold out until I get close to 100%/2x performance differential (in single core). And by the looks of it, Intel will get there first with Alder Lake... Lesson learned: In capitalism, you don't pick a favorite team, just the best deal.
In capitalism as opposed to what? But true: coorporation and costumers are not friends. I'm in the same boat though, unwilling to upgrade my b350 in addition to my 1700.
It’s a great cpu. I bought one for £130 brand new and works so well clocked @ 3.7ghz with the stock cooler. I’ve had zero problems with it. It’s good for my gaming. Great for content creation. I love it. I’ll write it here for anyone who is interested. I’ve build my pc for £692. ~ cpu R 7 1700 ~ Radeon RX 580 8GB ~ MSI B450 ~ Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe ~ EVGA 600W ~ a few fans ~ trust gaming case. And that was back in may 2019
Rocking my 7 1700 for a year now and never had any issues, works great at any game or workload I throw at it. I use specially Resolve and works amazingly!
Ive a 1700 oc and a 1080 and I play games like valorant with 200+ fps. WoW more than 150fps. etc. Even Doom eternal runs with 150+. So what are yout talking about? I guess some people feel forced to justify their yearly upgrades with wasting money somehow by spreading lies.
Holy shit ask and you shall receive. Though I asked it on hardware unboxed. Thank you! Most benchmarks don’t include relevant CPU’s from more than two generations. It’s nice to see more than that since most people don’t upgrade every year.
Running a 1700x right now, been going well for 1.5 years now. Upgraded from my R3 1200 half a year after Zen+ launched when the 1700x went down to just $140!!! Still running great, its a powerhouse when it comes to productivity. Its paired with a GTX 1060 3gb on a 60hz 1080p monitor so absolutely no bottlenecking, I would need to get a newer GPU first to even come close to justifying a new Ryzen, and even so, I'm happy with my 1060 3gb.
I was just wondering about this, perfect timing! Just bought one of these used with a B450 mobo and 16gb of 3200mhz ram for 100 bucks locally. For the price i paid, I'm pretty happy with my HTPC setup.
My R5 1600X still purrs like a kitten at 4 GHz all core, still runs everything I throw at it fine. Was very lucky it turned out that way. Kinda was a big gamble back in 2017 to switch to AMD and it really took a while to wait for BIOS updates and a lot of fiddling to buff out the rough spots but damn its still tremendous value for a $150 CPU 3 years later.
Thanks for the Ryzen 1700 2020 update Steve. I think you absolutely gave solid advice recommending the 1700 over the 1800x back in 2017. And you also gave solid advice recommending the 7700k/8700k over the first gen Ryzen parts, if one was exclusively gaming as well. The 7700k and 8700k have aged incredibly well. But I think most first gen Ryzen owners can upgrade to an 3700x if coming from an 1700/1700x/1800x and most 1600 owners can likewise upgrade to an 3600 or 3700x for a large performance uplift. But it is a shame that 300 chipset AM4 owners won't be getting Ryzen 4000 support, I really do think an upgrade to 4000 from 1000 would be an even more substantial upgrade over 3000 series. But 3000 series is still a very large upgrade over 1000 series, and is absolutely an viable upgrade path for more gaming and productivity performance. My advice would be that if anyone on 1st gen Ryzen who wants to upgrade to 3000 series, and doesn't want to upgrade the entire platform to 4000 series, just wait for 4000 launch and pick up an 3000 CPU for an much cheaper price compared to current pricing. Thanks for the update Steve, very informative and highly enjoyable.
Nah, when the Ryzen 1700 came out, it was the better choice, even for gaming. The 7700k does not hold up well in many games, which use more than 4 cores and it will get worse in the future, especially with the new consoles, using much more powerful high core count CPUs. The 8700k changed things up a bit, but it also came at a significant price premium! The best choice was probably getting a Ryzen 1600 for gaming.
@@MHWUU The 7700k beats the 1700 in every game benchmark of Gamer Nexus in this video of Gamers Nexus we just watched dude, and every video of Hardware Unboxed. Not one website or youtube channel has ever recommended the 1700 or 1800x over an 7700k or 8700k for gaming, not one. Maybe in the future the 1700/1800x might do better, but right now both the 7700k and 3300x give the 1700 a hiding in gaming bud. No doubt about it. If you payed attention to these benchmarks you would see clearly that. And an overclocked 7700k with 3600mhz or faster RAM pulls ahead even further. I don't know what benchmarks you were looking at, but you are believing pure fantasy if you think the 1700 beats the 7700k in any current game. And that includes the 1600 as well. The 1600 was the better buy over an i5 7600k, but not better than the 7700k. The 1600 and 1700 might do better in the future when games actually require 6 cores or more as standard, but right now (and since the 7700k release), the 7700k is by far the better gaming CPU compared to the 1700 and 1600. Whoever bought an 7700k 3 years ago, has had by far the better gaming experience right up till now. And the 7700k most likely has another year (maybe 2 at most) of decent gaming performance. The 1700 and 1600 have been slower at gaming this entire time and they are still slower, and they already bottleneck top of the line GPUs at lower resolutions. The 1700 and 1600 will both have to be upgraded to keep up with next gen consoles. They have cores, but they have very low IPC, only 3rd gen Ryzen has 7700k IPC matching levels. I know, I own an 3700x. But Intel also has the Ringbus architecture, and that is fantastic for gaming. And the 7700k will have also to be upgraded to keep up with next gen consoles as well soon-ish, same with the 3300x, but the 7700k has given the better gaming experience over its 4-5 year life span compared to the 1600 and 1700/1800x. So the 7700k was the better buy for pure gaming, no doubt about it. I am not an fanboy of wither company dude, I just call it like it is. And first gen Ryzen is not the best for gaming.
@@joeyvdm1 One example where the 1800x, which is pretty much an overclocked 1700, beats the 7700k: www.computerbase.de/2017-03/amd-ryzen-1800x-1700x-1700-test/4/#diagramm-battlefield-1-dx11-multiplayer-fps . This was already at launch. Right now the sweet spot is 6 cores although a 4 core cpu with hyperthreading holds up well mostly. You might argue the 7700k was a better choice if you have a high refresh rate monitor, else it simply does not matter if you have 100 or 120 FPS. Also most tests run with a 2080 TI at low resolution to show differences which are completly meaningless. So the much more interessting question to me is, which CPU will age better and therefor I clearly choose 8 instead of 4 cores.
@@MHWUU Here look at these Digital Foundry benchmarks. ruclips.net/video/ffKHk-M_8eY/видео.html You can see in those benchmarks in the Kingdom Come: Deliverance benchmark that not even an 3700x can actually stay above 60 FPS at all. I am not talking about an 2 second FPS drop. I mean constant under 60 FPS. And if you watch the entire benchmark you will see that with an 2080ti and in the most demanding games that 3rd gen Ryzen stutters and drop FPS quite badly. An 1700 is even worse. So to be covered by the best GPUs and have an constant 60 FPS in every game, it is still only Intel that delivers. The 7700k once overclocked can do this, barley. So it is not only high refresh rate gaming. But yes, I think most people won't be pairing an 2080ti with an 1700/1800x. But I am just talking about an pure top of the line gaming CPU, and the 7700k was that at the time, and still does the job once overclocked and paired with fast RAM. And your benchmark was one game that the 7700k lost in, and it was barley anything in that loss, it lost by 2fps, that is a joke dude, and the 7700k was not overclocked. When the 1700/1800x loses they lose big time, and even 3rd gen cant stay above 60 FPS at all times, as proven by Digital Foundry. And the 1800x is much slower than 3rd gen. That is all down to Ryzen CCX layout and much lower IPC first gen. And Battlefield multplayer is well known to love cores, but it barely beat and stocked clocked 7700k.
@@MHWUU And here, look at these Gamers Nexus benchmarks. It is 10 gens of Intel CPUs compared. ruclips.net/video/KPWEdbfJ0oE/видео.html Look for the overclocked 6700k in the charts. It keeps up with an stock 8700k in some games, an 8400 in others and an 3700x in some. That is performance well above an 1800x. And that is at 4.8ghz and who knows what RAM (maybe 3200mhz, not sure). You can get an 7700k to 5.0/5.1 and pair it with 3600mhz RAM (or faster) and get even better performance out of it.
I have a 1700! had it overclocked to 4.1Ghz at 1.425V but it degraded, RIP. Now its at 3.9 on stockish voltage. Runs okay for what it is, but very much looking forward to the 4000 series
Still rocking my launch day 1700x. It probably only gone 2000 hrs since launch. Never felt the need to upgrade. Only casual gaming and mainly for vr. Never failed me or anything,as you'd expect lol.
Still repping my r7 1700 at 3.7 and its still going strong though I really wanna upgrade! The second 4000 series comes out Im finally going to give in.
I had a 1700 at the same clocks as this review that served me well till middle of last year when I upgraded to a 3950x. Really happy - couldn't have asked for more. Thanks AMD!
I have my R7 1700 since 2017 and I still love it like I loved it the first day. It's now been overclocked for about two and a half years and works perfectly fine @ 8x ~3.9 GHz.
the way you tell things are really good, you don't know this, but because of you, people like us who are in the range of middle class really gets to know what things to buy and what not to, you are a good example of a straight forward person and a good reality shower. Thank you for supporting us... =D
Three years ago I bought a 1800X. By the time it arrived to my door I had read the reviews again and returned it for the 1700. Saved $300 and still have an absolute beast of a PC!! So happy to see it's still going strong!
I have a 1700 @3.8 and have been wondering with the latest cpu updates if its still even worth a new chip since I game at 1440p with a gtx 1080 so any new ryzen chip won't really be worth it imo, would be interesting to see more testing at 1440p with settings people actually play on to see what percentage of improvement can be made with a drop in upgrade not just trying to get as much difference as possible between all the chips because that's not how people realistically play games. If you have a "lower end gaming cpu" you might as well make the gpu the limiting factor and crank all the settings that way the difference between a 1700 and a 10600k or a 3700x become smaller and smaller
After BIOS update this year, my R7 1700 (non X) runs at 4Ghz stable with 16gb @3400Mhz tweaked to cl14 (also subtimings) I've never had such a smooth experience... No dips and nearly every game at 144Hz with my 1080ti 👍🏻 thx AMD
Returned my R5 1600 and paid an extra $150-$160 total for a 8700K system 3 years ago... worth every penny looking at those benchmarks. Of course, also got a R5 3600 system in the living room too since the 3000 Ryzens are so well-rounded.
As someone who games I'm pretty happy I got the 8700k. I was initially worried the extra 2 cores would be important a few years later, but that's been proven to not be the case at all.
We explained the concerns some people expressed about Ryzen CPU "burn-out" in this deep-dive: ruclips.net/video/10b8CS7wQcM/видео.html
Find our CPU testing methodology for 2020 over here: ruclips.net/video/sg9WgwIkhvU/видео.html
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I love my 3800X. I bought it last Cyber Monday at the regular price of the 3700X. I'm getting a stable all core overclock of 4.5 GHz @ 1.35 volts.
Thanks Steve, this video is right on time for me. I have the x370 Taichi after buildzoid recommended it, so it is compatible with the updated BIOS to support 3rd gen. Since you can't reflash the BIOS and it doesn't feature dual BIOS, it seems like a risky upgrade. Based on these results, I think I'll just stick with this for now but when to upgrade is the question. The main thing I'm looking forward to is the 'halo' card from AMD, and if it's completely bottlenecked by the CPU, I guess that'll be the time for an upgrade. Hopefully first gen AM5 isn't plagued by as many issues and comes out swinging.
@@Sparrowc83 I did the opposite - i took the leap to a Ryzen 5 3600 from a 1600.
pls dont spread false information that 1700 can be easly overclocked to 3.9 and more, seen more than few of them that cant even hit 3.7 without voltage bump - every youtuber trying to say that you just have to enter bios and set multiplier to 37 when most of 1700 are not good enought to be overclocked past 3.8 - this behaviour creates a lot of misunderstanding.
Can you please do a revisit of the ryzen 5 1600
If it isn't for the AMD R7 1700 , Intel will still sell you a 4c/8t Core i7 in the consumer range today. Everyone should thank AMD whether you like AMD or not.
lol if not intel amd will sell you 1800x for 500$
Imagine being a dumb intel consumer to buy that
If it isn't for intel... Amd will still sell u a trash fx. Everyone should thank Intel wether you are a fucking fanboy or not
david hernandez chulo exactly! Intel corruption provided an ideal opportunity for AMD to exploit in the market. Intel is rotting from within and it’s glorious to watch.
Still a pretty good cpu, the PS5s cpu is basically this, just a modern more efficient version of it.
Steve I was going to sleep but I’ll watch as much as I can.
What a hero 😂
Ill bet you finished
Ps: ............lol
Lol
i fell asleep halfway through the video :(
Really bad allocation of life's priorities. 😆
I adopted the 1700 right when it released. It's still perfectly fine but man oh man does the 3700x look good.
If you have some decent RAM, you can tune frequency and timings. This helps a lot, especially for Ryzen first gen. However, this also only matters if you run games on a high refresh rate monitor at more than 60 FPS.
@@MHWUU at my case, my 1600 and b450 really didn't work with my ram, can't even keep xmp (3200 16-18-18) stable at 1.45v. I think it will take ages for me to get a decent trimming that works, but that's the problem with zen1.
Veda Chan Even with Samsung B Die, I could not get my 3200 Ram to run more than 2400 with Zen 1 :/
Even with Zen 2 I had to over volt and set timings manually to get stock speeds.
@@justinholmes5614 what motherboard are you using? I overclock my ram from 2666Mhz C16 (Kingston fury HyperX, Nanya A Die) to 3200 c16 with little to no problem, Ryzen 5 2600. My kit is on the QLV list of my motherboard thou (MSI B450 Bazooka plus), so it might affect the result.
@@ec1021501 try adding more SoC voltage
Eve Online & Gamers Nexus. Two ways to prove that looking at charts all day can be fun and rewarding.
Excel online*
Eve Office 357
The sad part is all the modern space games with crazy funding & new engines still can't compete against rows & columns.
@@bromazepam781 Eve Office 357 Magnum
@@noahbirdrevolution eve isn't a space game ,eve ist even a space themed rpg ,eve is space themed simulated economy ,and there is no competition in its sector ,because there aren't any online economies that are anywhere close to the level of eve ,but you can't compare eve online to a space game ,it's like comparing going to engineering school Vs mathematics ,both have a common point ,but in practice everything about them is different
Other RUclipsrs: we have a neat upload schedule
Steve: To be honest the people who watch our videos don't sleep so, hey! here's a video at 3 am.
Lols 🌋😋🎈. Sleep is for the week.
@Mohd Wassep… some of us don't have the luxury to sleep for a week! 🤣🤣. P.S if you change ya typo ya weak! 😋😁😅
pulled an allnighter!
Did you know time zones exist and that video uploads take time?
@@expiracy9458 once you upload a video you can schedule it to be public at the time when most of your audience is awake, and I'm assuming that gamers nexus' audience is mainly on the US so time zone differences between us territory are not that dramatic, this came out early for Europe but if you read the comments you'll see everyone commenting was just about to go to sleep lmao
I remember a time during which I'd go prowling the internet for some oddly specific numbers and tests. Every now and then, I'd hit this weird site I'd never heard about. It was even spelled wrong: Gamers Nexus.
It took a while, I was sceptical, but soon I'd default to this dude called Steve. The only person willing to go all the way and do methodologically correct investigations.
You've come a long way and I can't thank you enough for still being with us.
I came across gamersnexus when my Zotac 980 amp was not ocing as expected, and GN was the only outlet reporting on this issue and warning ppl not to buy. I realized my card was doing the exact same thing and returned it. I've been following them ever since.
@@EfrainMan Wow! Long time. Thanks for the support! Zotac still won't work with us to this day!
@@GamersNexus zotac has some serious issues with its relations then. seriously, it's approaching 6 years.
I have the 1700x, I've been itching to upgrade when ryzen 4000 series is released, great timing on the video
Same here, i just wish there were *some* leaks now... Just a hint of what we can expect for the 4000s
Algorithman there are a few leaks. They’re mostly high clock APUs i think
Does it work on the same board?
@@happygimp0 if you are still using a x370, you are out of luck, b450 might work, though
Same
The first gen Ryzen feeling low just shows how much AMD has advanced in just 3 years.
Insane...
Unlike bintel who have gone nowhere
Intel gens still the same. U could swap them out with each other on Intel essentially.
to be fair, AMD did jump from 14nm to 7nm while intel has been struggling with 10nm.
@@LawrenceTimme it's understandable when they were so far ahead for a decade. Thankfully Ryzen isn't another 'bulldozer'.
@@circleofsorrow4583 Zen2 in mobile segment is even more deadly than the desktop segment.
I just bought a 3900x! Doing my first build. I'm nervous!
I'm sure the community can tell you that there's nothing to be nervous about! It's all easy stuff. Be careful with the pins and take care socketing the RAM to make sure it's oriented the right way. Screw with confidence!
Just make sure to have your Swiss army knife that hopefully has a screwdriver and your trusty livestrong bracelet
@@hunterchap Never, ever gets old. 🤣
@@hunterchap Can't forget the tweezers and livestrong bracelet either.
Building computer is easy as long as you don't rush. In the end it's like those kid's shape sorting cubes. Think it this way: I was able to guide my mother on how to change graphics card and ram over a phone call..and she's not tech savvy at all.
Thank you GN, I have a 1700 and I've been wondering how it fares these days. Paired it with a 1080 Ti back in the day and it's still running great!
Perfect! Been waiting for this review, down to the OC as well, my 1700 is sitting at 3.9 all core!
Your lucky ! i remember everyone talking about their "easy 4Ghz OC" but mine is the worst i managed to get it @3,8 stable, even with more voltage and on 2 different B350 motherboards it's not fully stable :/
@@frankmario6747 I tried hitting 4.0, but after putting 1.4v into mine and it still not being fully stable I decided to stick with 3.9, luckily I managed to hit 3.9 all core at 1.32v, not bad at all! I remember being pretty impressed with temperatures and everything when I was first working out how far I could push it, even with just the stock wraith spire that I have since swapped out. Bummer about the one you got though :/
@@frankmario6747 my 2600 wont go past 3.9 and most people get it higher with lower voltage =/
So have I, mine has been sitting at 3.8 at 1.28 for a year and a half, still just as good as day 1, great times!
@@hugo9016 I know right. I have the 2600 @4.1 GHz and 1.32 V and my dad has the same chip, same motherboard and cant get it past 3.85 at reasonable voltages. Its just lottery.
Yeah, see this is why even though I have a bit of FOMO getting a 7700k in 2017 vs a 8700k that came out a few months later, I don't have FOMO for not getting on the AM4 platform. Today I'd definitely go AMD, but I just think that the 7th and 8th gen Intel parts were still the go to for gaming builds
For gaming builds, absolutely. The 8700K was an extremely powerful response from Intel, where the 9000 series was a bit more muted.
For gaming builds they are still way better, starting with 10600k or 10700k if you want a bit more "futureproofing" (or even 10700f honestly as tests show it to be extremely good)
@@Tc4ify Honestly, considering the HUGE difference in cost between 10600k and 10700k with respect to r5 3600 or 3700x respectively, it doesn't make any sense to buy them for futurproofing, since they would have t last like 40% longer, to be relevant, and they won't
i run my Ryzen 7 1700 on 3.7ghz for over 2 years and no problems :)
I've been running mine on 3.9 for 3 years and it's still great
Glad to know I’ve been looking to get more performance out of my 1700, what’s ur voltage settings?
@@basketball1591 mine's pretty high, I think 1.3975 or something like that
@@basketball1591 1.18V
@@basketball1591 i have a video on my channel check it out :) i hope u will like it
When Zen first launched... I looked at it like.. "Well, its not bad, its good enough for good competition". And it was certainly hell of an increase over bulldozer. It couldn't beat intel from my impressions but it was certainly worth considering if at least to go back to the brand that I loved so much in the past. I still held off and clung to my 2600K as my gamer as then Zen+ launched, and then Zen2. Threadripper on zen and zen+ never interested me in the slightest, and I was doing workloads where I would really need it. As I had an old used dual socket 6 core westmere workstation I was using for that stuff as I got busy with my work already since about the time I bought my 2600K. Then when I saw Zen2 delidded and space for that extra chiplet... I gasped... And waited... Zen2's numbers were fantastic, and truly competitive both in performance and price, and then the 3950X launched and I finally opened my wallet and came back home to AMD after a very long absence... And hopefully wont be looking back for a long time to come. No regrets.
A friend of mine hung onto his 1100T hex core and replaced it with a ryzen 1700 shortly after its launch, and has been on AMD since his very first computer.. A 386 DX40. He has never once had an Intel. And this video today will be aimed squarely at him. He several times was forced to cling to a machine far longer than was ideal in anticipation of AMD coming out with a winner. And several times he didn't regret those choices, with the Athlon 550, the Athlon 64, and any time AMD was able to leap over everyone else.... And then his 1700. It has made him a very proud fanboy.
yeah it's interesting I'm still using a 2700K but had to get a second system with a 2600K to handle streaming games at 60fps but want to upgrade, now I'm torn what the best upgrade is, 3900X or 10600K?
@@seangill1096 if you already know you're gonna upgrade to am5 or whatever then why bother with Intel platform? You could do am4 buy zen 3 when it comes out and then upgrade someday later.
Edit: Nevermind I understand now.
I was still using my 2500K until a few months ago, I felt it was finally time to upgrade and went with an R5 3600. The 2500K did well but I am so glad I finally upgraded.
@@Stallzyx My path is a lot easier. I won't care about the new platforms for awhile as I have two x470 hero boards and will probably just drop in a 3900x and a 3950x for an uplift over my 2600x and 2700x. It will carry me for a few years.
For you I would think more cores would be better for streaming games unless you are going high refresh. I would probably get a 3900x or just wait a few months if you can to see what next gen has.
@@Stallzyx Well, Look at it this way, no one buys a high end video card to run 1080P low. Games are always gpu bound almost 99% of the time. Go for the 3900X, the streaming performance while gaming is absolutely unreal. My 3950X is absolutely effortless streaming any game at high quality and bitrate. And my software isn't even particularly optimized either, I have all sorts of shit running in the background. I am not worried about upgrade path, after all, how many times have we actually upgraded cpu and motherboard separately? CPU"s are usually more expensive than average boards anyhow and DDR5 is coming in a year or two. So anything you get now will be a total replace in the next round of upgrades after that almost no matter what.
And single threaded performance of the 3950x is a great deal ahead of the 2600-2700k by quite a noticeable amount. So the 3900x will be as well.
Still love my 1700x at 3.9! Hard to justify upgrading. Does the job well. I do both gaming and production.
Lol don't lie to your self 6700k even better tan your trash/x370 NO ZEN 3
Wow, talk about great timing...I just got the last part delivered today for my grandson's first rig, a Ryzen 7 1700 based build. I wanted to get the 3100 but could never find it in stock. This video shows that I made the right choice going for the used 1700 for the same price. I was leary about overclocking the 1700 because of wattage and the B450 board I'm building on. This video has answered all my questions concerning this build. Thank you very much for this video. I can move forward with the knowledge I have gained from this without hesitation or wasteful time spent trying to overclock.
Yeah 1700>3100. Maybe not a 1600af but still it's a solid cpu
I'm still running this pig... LOL at 4.15 GHz overclocked with 3466 memory. It's still not horrible. Waiting for Zen 3...
Me too. Mine runs at 3.9Ghz. I bought it almost 3 years ago for video editing. I can't complain.
I moved on to a 3600 when I found out my x370 board would not cut it for zen 3.
3466 on Zen 1??? Bruh
I can't get mine passed 3.7, and even at that it still occasionally blue screens. Pretty much running at stock now for stability.
As my Diesel Submarine of a FX 8350 says hello...
Thx, just the video i need, thinking of a 3900X upgrade for my aging 1700X :)
Nice! The 1700 OC number we have in the charts should be a good bridge to approximate your 1700X's relative performance.
@@GamersNexus Yeah. I'm still not sure if i should wait for the new lineup though. Mostly doing compiler work, so more cores rock.
Haha, i am in the exact same place. Just waiting for the Zen 3 to come around and do a little price pressure :-)
wait for Zen 3
Update: just ordered my 3900X, this review put me over the top..
Went from the 1700 to 3600, was happy I did. Didn't need all the cores after all and got better performance in what I needed.
I recently got one too. My first non-budget CPU. Never really experienced the importance of minimum fps before first hand... every game, even old ones just feel like butter.
But ppl who brought 7700k , still have beter fps and spend less money then you .
Taurus how is that possible?
@@tigerheaddude why bother with that troll lol
@@Crustee0 Some people have to justify their poor decision making, you know, like picking the wrong grail.
Such great timing I have been digging through eBay looking at used Ryzen CPU and GPU for my first build. Thoughts? suggestions? prayers LOL
What's the pricing like on the parts you're considering?
With the current situation! Good luck finding a deal!!... Prices are through the roof!!!
Here in the UK I was looking at 2nd hand parts, needed to drop my FX8350, was looking at a Ryzen 1700 but even 2nd hand it was around £200 where I got a brand new 3600 for £155. In production it seems the performance is close and in games the 3600 is better, so either way buying new seemed like a win/win to me.
On the other hand the way I see it recommending graphics cards ATM is a nightmare with rumors suggesting AMD and Nvidia about see a big performance leap and new consoles coming out so it's hard to tell what spec changes we'll see in games in the coming years. I'd definitely say if you are looking to buy for raytracing to hold off if you can.
@@GamersNexus used 1700 prices are way too high on ebay $100+ (not counting jerks asking $150) after your vid thinking new1600 better price performance with a used RX580 I have Mirco center close so NEW
AsRock B450pro $79.99
Evga 500 80+ $59.99
Gskill ripjaws V 2X4GB
Inland 512gb ssd
Thermaltake v100 atx $49.99
@@GamersNexus A few weeks ago I bought a Threadripper 1950x and Gigabyte x399 AORUS Gaming 7 for $600. Also a few days before that I ordered a Ryzen 7 1700 with a MSI x370 SLI Plus, and a Thermaltake Contac Silent air cooler for $249. Were these good deals?
I have a 5700xt and a Ryzen 7 1700x. I play games at 4K, this these results show my that upgrading to a 3900x would gain me no big difference.
Dangit Steve, I was about to sleep.
Meanwhile, the germans are like Guten Morgen! :D
@@blockbertus su prabhat
Update: Fell asleep halfway when the phone hit my face
@@scyence smack down,😹🤖 rko.🎇
Hark, buy and. It's a lesson.😋🎈
I'm curious to see how Zen holds up after three years against the improvements of Zen2 and Intel's latest Skylake refresh.
Its aged pretty good really.
Depends what you expect from it l, it's not useless like the FX series that could barely top a Core2Duo. But it can be equalled by a warm Sandy Bridge...
@@Nighterlev the best FX is slower than most Sandy Bridges with no overclock. My 2550K benches better than any FX aside from maybe someone doing some crazy cooling system to pass 5ghz without melting a motherboard. 1st Gen core might be fair.
And how it holds against its competitor i7 7700k ( -10-20fps )
Hey Steve, I've been watching you since about 7 months before Ryzen 1's original launch. I was just exploring the idea of upgrading to a 3900x from my 1800x and was wondering how much of an improvement it'd be. You guys are literal gods, producing the content I desperately want before I even want it. Thanks and keep up the great work!
@
eSportsMonies That depends on what you're going to use the build for if you plan on going into production work then sure it could be worth the upgrade, just look at the previous review on the channel.
@@escapeartist2399 not worth it if all you do is gaming its overkill
but awesome i hear if you can afford it
Nothing makes my day better than a GN video on my CPU that tackles my concerns.
"9 hours ago"
This is the closest I've gotten to a live GN stream.
Watching this video thanks to my 1st gen Ryzen 7 1700 💓👍🏻
Still running great!
My friend has a 1700, and he's about to upgrade to a 5700xt from an RX 580, I'm glad this video came out when it did. Looks like the 1700 is still holding on reasonably well, all things considered.
Thank you, I have a 1700 and have been looking for this comparison for awhile and glad you covered it!
Good cpu still holds up fine for almost everything.
That's not saying much when 10 year old Intel CPU's "still hold up fine for everything"
@@stuporman Don't assume people who bought the CPU did so for gaming it was a productivity aimed processor
10 year old intel is gonna suck bad for any kind of photo/video workflow.
I'm still using it, I would like a 4th gen Ryzen, but it looks like I'll be forced into a 3rd gen or a new motherboard/CPU combo.
@@stuporman outside of gaming the 1700 still does great. I've got one in a server. it's cheap, really efficient and can handle a bunch of VMs and hosts no problem.
@@ReclusiveEagle Yeah Westmere Ep Xeons can still play every game. So what exactly is the point.
I'll chime in with a mini-review of the R7 1700 from a consumers POV.
I picked up a Ryzen 7 1700 at the end of March '17 for about $400 AUD ($305 USD at the time). For me, it was a no-brainer; the i7-7700K was faster in games, but the R7 1700 performed more like one of Intel's Broadwell-E HEDT processors in production tasks while being less expensive than an i7-7700K. For reference, I was upgrading from an i7-3770.
My personal rig does a lot of stuff - gaming, streaming, code compilation, video rendering, virtualisation, etc., and the balance of performance and price offered by the Ryzen 7 1700 made it the clear pick of what was available at the time. Intel's higher performance in games hasn't been a draw for me as I'm still using an R9 290X 4GB GPU at 1080p/75Hz, so the bottleneck is pretty much always on the GPU when gaming (outside of select titles). I've got mine overclocked to 3.8 GHz at 1.285V (SET) and it chugs along quite nicely. I play and stream games like World of Warcraft, CoD: Modern Warfare, Satisfactory, and the combination of R7 1700 and R9 290X serves me very well.
So that's the good, what about the bad? Well, I picked the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO as my board of choice - the only options available to me at the time were the C6H, MSI's X370 Xpower Gaming Titanium (which Buildzoid and many others rightfully called out as not being very good), ASRock's X370 Taichi, and Gigabyte's AX370 Gaming K7. Having to take the plunge on a flagship motherboard hurt a bit, but none of the other X370 or B350 boards had become available at the time, and I knew AM4 was a brand new platform meaning the flagship boards would get the best support (in theory).
The board itself has been great - I'm running BIOS 6401 (AGESA PinnaclePi 1.0.0.6) as I haven't needed to upgrade to support Zen 2. What hasn't been so great is memory support. 1st gen Ryzen is a picky, picky architecture. My kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) is rated for 3200 C16, but it uses Hynix AFR ICs and my early production run CPU _hates_ the stuff. I had it running at 2666 AUTO for the better part of three years simply because I couldn't be bothered testing and retesting to try and find a stable set of timings. More recently I used the DRAM calculator to try 3200 C16 (crashes in Windows) and 2933 C14 (seemed to work for a while but I started getting hard crashes), so I'm back to 2666 at 14-16-16-36-54-1T (I haven't adjusted timings since backing off from 2933 to 2666).
My particular unit is also vulnerable to the old "kill Ryzen" Linux compilation bug that causes segmentation faults when executing certain instructions, given it was manufactured very early on in 2017, so that's not so great.
All in all though, I'm very pleased with my purchase. The march of progress means that at best I'm looking at Ryzen 3 3100 or Ryzen 3 3300X performance in games (if I were to upgrade my GPU), but gaming is just one part of what I do. I'm in two minds about upgrading to a Ryzen 9 3900X when Ryzen 4000 comes out, or just waiting for DDR5, but it's nice to have options.
I didn't read you bought 1700 cpu and justify it.It's even slower than 6700k from 2015 and you want change in to another chiplet trash 3100 or 8 thread 3300x which is like 6700k looool typical amd fan
Whilst the RAM issues seem to have improved over time, it s still tricky I d say. Couldn t pretend that I tried anything crazy or extra fancy and didn t rly understand how to use the Dram Calculator program coz by the time it was out, I was already done and it didn t seem worth the hassle. I originally bought the LPX 2666mhz kit coz it was on Asus QVL and I already knew that RAM could be tricky. Tested it on 4 Ryzen PCs: Asus B350-F, X370 Crosshair 6, B350-Plus and MSI B350 Carbon Pro...on all Asus boards, it only was stable with a slight voltage adjustment (1.225+ and it becomes stable, at the indicated 1.2v no way). On MSI s board: no issue at all...
As I tested it with 2 Ryzen 1600 and Ryzen 1700&1700x with purchase dates 1 year apart, I have the suspicion that it s not so much down to Ryzen but more down to Asus boards hating Hynix RAM which is mostly used for LPX kits. Did some research and found out that kits with E-die seem to be the best bet (2nd to Samsung s B-die which are costly and nowadays hardly available). No issues getting the system stable at 2933Mhz with: GSkill Aegis 3000mhz, Ripjaws V 3200Mhz and 32GB kits Crucial Ballistix Sport.3200Mhz on all boards...in case of the Crucial kits I can tell that it s E-die (AES in the product code means E-die).
In case of the Asus boards: on all of these kits, I was also able to drop the RAM voltage from 1.3v standard spec to 1.225V+ with it being still stable...I found that quite a coincidence that on Asus boards 1.225 seems to be a magic number, running them at 1.25v now...simply coz I ve seen that there s no stability difference and performance was also the same so I thought lower voltage is always better (which might be wrong...). I ran the Ryzen 1700&1700x on 3200mhz for a while and the system felt snappier but hey 2933Mhz is rock solid and the differences in benchmarks were tiny.
Anyway, I wouldn t waste any money to go from 2666 to 2933 but if you can get a deal or maybe wanna upgrade to a 32GB kit, I strongly recommend Crucial Ballistix Sport with AES in the product name, they re also commonly affordable (2933Mhz basically guaranteed...many many others pushed those kits a lot further using Dram Calculator or more elaborate manual settings).
Upgraded recently from a 1700x to 3700x, no regrets.
I upgraded from i5-3470 to 3700X in July 2019. No regrets either lol.
About to do the same.
Again, no regrets.
@@nO_d3N1AL - went from i5-3330 to 3700X in July 2019. Cried from happiness. :)
You dont even regret amd ?
You have a spider building a web on your cat case / plant behind you at the first couple of seconds of this vid. Neat addition!
New R7 PRO 1700X for $115 in Russia :-D
Wow! Crazy how prices have fallen. Thanks for letting us know about your side of the world.
@@GamersNexus So is it worth to get 1700X for $115 ?
@@jackhoy7211 if 1600af is unavailable or overpriced and you can't get 2nd gen Ryzens for similar price
@@Panocek 1600 af 130~ USD for me and 2600 is 105 USD
Got the 1700 for 90 bucks. I wanted the 3300x but yeah paper launch, since im in a 3rd world country in a future i could flip it without losing value and i could buy a second hand 3600 when people start upgrading to ryzen 5000
Point worth adding:
If you're not using a top of the line GPU the 1700/1700X is perfectly fine.
Most of you buyers who can now snag a used 1700 for cheap will likely also be using a cheaper second hand GPU like GTX1060 / 1650 / RX580 /570
And it holds up great
Steve, I keep hearing people say "if your motherboard's VRM can handle a 3900x" then it would be a good upgrade; however if you are running a 170+ watt Ryzen 1700 at 3.9 - 4.175 GHz, then wouldn't you be pulling far less power with a 3900x at 150 watts or a 3950x pulling 135 watts through the VRM? Or am I missing something?
Lots of marketing but depends on mobo quality. Some will overheat over long use and poor cooling. My 1700x has another 2 to 4 before its half speed of flag ship processors of that time. Search 1700x vs 10700k. Negliable unless you want 4k or at 60 or 1440 at 120. 144 1080 is easy across the board.
I totally LOVED my 1700. It did run for 2 years at 4 ghz without any problem, with ram at 3400 cl14 (gaming at 3440x1440 with 1080ti).
I swapped it with a 3800x, and I even more happy. But 1700 will stay in my heart. As a mostly gamer, I bought it because I wanted give AMD a possibility, useless to say I was so hyped for zen 1!
It's still a nice cpu, glad GN revisited it!
I'm still using my Ryzen 7 1700 I bought launch month because my old AM3+ motherboard was failing. I'll probably use my 1700 two more years unless there's a pretty decent price drop on the 3700X then I'll grab one and drop it in my X370 board.
Thanks for this video Steve, I've been looking for this information over the last few days.
My 1700 is still going strong at 4.0GHz with minimal voltage increase over stock. It's tempting to upgrade to the 3700X but can't justify the cost i really don't need the extra performance so i think i'll wait for next gen motherboards, AM5 or whatever
Y u no tell us exact voltage?
I am still rocking a R7 1700 in a X470 mobo, once I get a GPU upgrade I will be moving from the 1700 to the 3700X. Love this CPU its a work and play horse in all honesty.
This was before the shockingly frightening 5 series was released.
Need to perform last rites on my great great 1700.
Very happy with my 1700. Been running at 3.4GHz all-core OC quite happily on stock cooler, using a B350 ASUS Prime board. Computer is still really solid, 4 years later.
Still running a 1700X, and still happy with the performance. I'm planning on keeping with it until at least the 4000 series, but it makes me think if it's still doing okay maybe ride it out for 5000 series, running a B350 mobo I probably will want to upgrade it either way
I love my r7 1700 and I don`t think to change it untill AMD release ryzen 5000
The R7 1700 is a great chip. Note that in RDR2 @3.9 GHz. it even outperforms the new R3 3300X (@Stock 4+ GHz) in 1% and 0,1% lows. The 1700 will age well with multi-thread optimizations in games.
with multi-thread optimizations in games lol 6700k better than 8 core amd trash
one whole year after your video my 3 year old 1700 is still pushing 4.05GHz stable. Current benchmarks still close to match the 3700X (slightly behind).
i got the 1700 when it launched and it's pretty good still. ran it at 3.8ghz at 1.31v not great, not bad. currently needs a gpu upgrade (rx 580 on 1440p lol).
Hey Steve, thanks for doing this comparison so a lot of us won't have to. My CPUs do a lot more compiling than gaming, but I still come to this channel for technical performance information, because you understand the important issues, and can explain them without the hype. Keep it snarky!
still rocking my 1700x to this day. i don't upgrade every year or two years, because i'm not stupid. I upgrade once every 5-6 year so that i really get the benefit of upgrading.
less than 10% of performance increase is not an increase. That's just a typo lol
I own a 2700x for half a year now, with 16gb 3200mhz ram kit, on a b450 tomahawk max, feels like i will only need to upgrade GPU in 5 years (have an RX 580 8GB since 2018 blackfriday) as i run any game decently, been having fun on Borderlands 3 :)
Same man , I play 1080p and still get over 100 frames in most all games I play with a 1650 super , I’m not upgrading this 1700x and I’m holding it until for atleast 2 to 3 more years
1700 fam!
Been on it since release, however I did upgrade from rx580 to 2070 Super and added more ram (32gb for video production)
I think we can still squeeze at least another 2 years from this cpu.
Estilo In Action well , I listed my 1700x for 120 usd on offer up and it got sold immediately. I got the 3600 for 175 and only paid the difference of 55 bucks to get the 3600. Didn’t need the upgrade but I jumped at the opportunity to sell the 1700x at 120
This, same goes to gpu, if it does its jobs for you theres no point
actually own a 1700x system and a 3900x system. both are insanely capable and really for gaming which i do mostly... its all gpu anyway. barring the odd outlier game that hammers the cpu.
Looking back when building my first setup, I wish I went for a 1700 instead of a 1700x, but oh well, it was my first build.
When you buy something new you you tend to spend a little extra, although you know that price to performance is getting worse. Later if your stuff is maybe 1-2 years old,you think, damn it, I should have better saved my money.
A buddy of mine went for broke and got a 1800x.... And then paired it with a 1060 😂 GPUs were in short supply during that time tho
Lol, I did that but paired with a GTX 1070. All I care about is 60+ fps in 1440p, so my next upgrade will likely be RDNA2 Or Ampere. As long as my cpu doesn't bottleneck me below 60fps I'll be happy. Hopefully games keep getting better at multithreading too.
@@ChrisPBacon9 Quite normal. Better get a little overpowered CPU, because a graphics card is much more easy to replace. For CPUs a meaningful upgrade usually means changing the board and often the RAM as well.
@@ChrisPBacon9 Oh dude I got my 1080 a month before the GPU mining craze took off. The same 1080 I got for $580 could be found for over 900 if I recall right.
With a GTX 980, and as a musician, upgrading to a 1700X, at launch, from an FX 8320, even at 4.6 GHz, was one of the best decisions I've every made. I was easily able to get 4.025 GHz at less than 1.4 V.
Kinda glad this was on my recommend as I was thinking of upgrading my 1700. Still got it running on stock settings with a 240mil rad. Using a B450 board so it should be compatible with the 3700x. Using a rx 5700xt
If you need some more perf and u're having a aio just overclock the chip. It's still pretty decent with overclocking in 2020.
So ... 7700k users were right ?
@@Taurus_Play If you purchased that cpu shortly after it came out, you've had a few years of enjoyable gaming. Be content in that knowledge. The fact is, in 2020, a person can buy a Ryzen 3 3300X for about a third of the price you paid for your 7700K and have virtually identical performance. If you are too broke to upgrade it, I can understand your defense of that purchase, but everything advances with time, especially in the PC world.
Still running a 1700 for content creation and gaming in my main rig til this day!
i would love to see how the r7 2700x performs in 2020 on oc and stock.
Same. Shame there isn't some Zen+ in this video for comparison.
I did play a bit with a 1700 that I built for a mate, and I did OC it all core to 3.9 GHz. Compared to my OCed 2700x it felt just that tiny bit less smooth in windows but was still nice to use. That's as much as I can say about it :) Might have had to do with the ram as I couldn't get it as fast on the 1700 than the 2700x.
@@Bareego hmm yeah actually if you want a snappy windows on ryzen I would recommend disabling the highprecisioncontroller from device manager. It helped out for me.
I'm still yet to be bound by my 2700X, in any game, playing at 1080p. My RTX 2060 is the bottleneck so far. But I wonder what will happen when I upgrade to a new GPU.
For 2700, just add 10%
For 2700X, just add 15-20% for 7 1700.
Still happy with my R7 1700 OC paired with an RTX 2060S
went from 1700 to 3600. was worth the upgrade for 144Hz monitor no doubt, but 1700 served its purpose well. Techdeals made me buy it lol. giving it away to a family friend when I can get some money to throw together a build
Did you notice any difference in Windows or your browsers speed?
@@janklaassen6404 honestly never thought about browser speeds, but not really regarding windows in general. maybe there is a difference but if there is its very small to the point that it never crossed my mind. got a 970 evo back when I built the R 1700 rig so windows went plenty fast with that setup. maybe search around for a benchmark? I know Jason from TechDeals talks about that kind of thing pretty often. seen Brian from TechYesCity mention it too when hes comparing his used xeon deals to modern hardware, but never about 1700 - 3600 I don't think
Im still rocking my 1600. Got 4.1 out of it and it has served my purposes since launch.
The 5800x would have been an instant purchase to replace my 1700 (~50% better) if only AMD didn't abandon 300 series mobos. It would have been a perfect streak for AM4 socket. They just had to get greedy...so even though I could shell out extra for a cheap B550, I'm now going to hold out until I get close to 100%/2x performance differential (in single core). And by the looks of it, Intel will get there first with Alder Lake...
Lesson learned: In capitalism, you don't pick a favorite team, just the best deal.
In capitalism as opposed to what?
But true: coorporation and costumers are not friends.
I'm in the same boat though, unwilling to upgrade my b350 in addition to my 1700.
It’s a great cpu. I bought one for £130 brand new and works so well clocked @ 3.7ghz with the stock cooler. I’ve had zero problems with it. It’s good for my gaming. Great for content creation. I love it. I’ll write it here for anyone who is interested. I’ve build my pc for £692. ~ cpu R 7 1700 ~ Radeon RX 580 8GB ~ MSI B450 ~ Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe ~ EVGA 600W ~ a few fans ~ trust gaming case. And that was back in may 2019
It would be interesting to test battlefield V, as it takes a lot of multicore perfomance.
Greetings from Spain!!
Awesome! As a owner of 1700x i want to thank you a lot! Steve, keep on rolling! :-)
Please make the text larger in the charts.
3700x and 3900x amazing cpu.. Actually almost all ryzen cpu's amazing.. Top performance, amazing quailty and fantastic price..
So, in conclusion, my 1700 is still fine for everything, with a 75Hz display there is nothing to worry.
Rocking my 7 1700 for a year now and never had any issues, works great at any game or workload I throw at it. I use specially Resolve and works amazingly!
still use the 1700 for a 2nd streaming pc and general shitposting.
ur vids have more value than other, great work
Conclusion : if you are playing at 60 fps, R7 1700 is clearly enough..:D
But Kitty,🐱 needs better visuals. 🐯He wants to see birds in better clarity.📢🎉
Heh 🎈😹🎇
easily 60 fps...but i get more ..depending on game...some games 120 to 150
Ive a 1700 oc and a 1080 and I play games like valorant with 200+ fps. WoW more than 150fps. etc. Even Doom eternal runs with 150+. So what are yout talking about? I guess some people feel forced to justify their yearly upgrades with wasting money somehow by spreading lies.
@@fragdq I fully agree with you on this point. Better spent money on faster GPU or storage..:)
Holy shit ask and you shall receive. Though I asked it on hardware unboxed. Thank you! Most benchmarks don’t include relevant CPU’s from more than two generations. It’s nice to see more than that since most people don’t upgrade every year.
I run 7 1700 whit rx590 8gb 👌
Running a 1700x right now, been going well for 1.5 years now. Upgraded from my R3 1200 half a year after Zen+ launched when the 1700x went down to just $140!!! Still running great, its a powerhouse when it comes to productivity. Its paired with a GTX 1060 3gb on a 60hz 1080p monitor so absolutely no bottlenecking, I would need to get a newer GPU first to even come close to justifying a new Ryzen, and even so, I'm happy with my 1060 3gb.
Nice to see lookbacks
I was just wondering about this, perfect timing! Just bought one of these used with a B450 mobo and 16gb of 3200mhz ram for 100 bucks locally. For the price i paid, I'm pretty happy with my HTPC setup.
i purchased the 1700 when it first released and a b350 board. it still serves me good today based on gamers nexus recommendation
My R5 1600X still purrs like a kitten at 4 GHz all core, still runs everything I throw at it fine. Was very lucky it turned out that way. Kinda was a big gamble back in 2017 to switch to AMD and it really took a while to wait for BIOS updates and a lot of fiddling to buff out the rough spots but damn its still tremendous value for a $150 CPU 3 years later.
Thanks for the Ryzen 1700 2020 update Steve. I think you absolutely gave solid advice recommending the 1700 over the 1800x back in 2017. And you also gave solid advice recommending the 7700k/8700k over the first gen Ryzen parts, if one was exclusively gaming as well. The 7700k and 8700k have aged incredibly well.
But I think most first gen Ryzen owners can upgrade to an 3700x if coming from an 1700/1700x/1800x and most 1600 owners can likewise upgrade to an 3600 or 3700x for a large performance uplift. But it is a shame that 300 chipset AM4 owners won't be getting Ryzen 4000 support, I really do think an upgrade to 4000 from 1000 would be an even more substantial upgrade over 3000 series.
But 3000 series is still a very large upgrade over 1000 series, and is absolutely an viable upgrade path for more gaming and productivity performance. My advice would be that if anyone on 1st gen Ryzen who wants to upgrade to 3000 series, and doesn't want to upgrade the entire platform to 4000 series, just wait for 4000 launch and pick up an 3000 CPU for an much cheaper price compared to current pricing.
Thanks for the update Steve, very informative and highly enjoyable.
Nah, when the Ryzen 1700 came out, it was the better choice, even for gaming. The 7700k does not hold up well in many games, which use more than 4 cores and it will get worse in the future, especially with the new consoles, using much more powerful high core count CPUs. The 8700k changed things up a bit, but it also came at a significant price premium! The best choice was probably getting a Ryzen 1600 for gaming.
@@MHWUU The 7700k beats the 1700 in every game benchmark of Gamer Nexus in this video of Gamers Nexus we just watched dude, and every video of Hardware Unboxed. Not one website or youtube channel has ever recommended the 1700 or 1800x over an 7700k or 8700k for gaming, not one.
Maybe in the future the 1700/1800x might do better, but right now both the 7700k and 3300x give the 1700 a hiding in gaming bud. No doubt about it. If you payed attention to these benchmarks you would see clearly that. And an overclocked 7700k with 3600mhz or faster RAM pulls ahead even further.
I don't know what benchmarks you were looking at, but you are believing pure fantasy if you think the 1700 beats the 7700k in any current game.
And that includes the 1600 as well. The 1600 was the better buy over an i5 7600k, but not better than the 7700k. The 1600 and 1700 might do better in the future when games actually require 6 cores or more as standard, but right now (and since the 7700k release), the 7700k is by far the better gaming CPU compared to the 1700 and 1600.
Whoever bought an 7700k 3 years ago, has had by far the better gaming experience right up till now. And the 7700k most likely has another year (maybe 2 at most) of decent gaming performance.
The 1700 and 1600 have been slower at gaming this entire time and they are still slower, and they already bottleneck top of the line GPUs at lower resolutions. The 1700 and 1600 will both have to be upgraded to keep up with next gen consoles. They have cores, but they have very low IPC, only 3rd gen Ryzen has 7700k IPC matching levels. I know, I own an 3700x. But Intel also has the Ringbus architecture, and that is fantastic for gaming.
And the 7700k will have also to be upgraded to keep up with next gen consoles as well soon-ish, same with the 3300x, but the 7700k has given the better gaming experience over its 4-5 year life span compared to the 1600 and 1700/1800x. So the 7700k was the better buy for pure gaming, no doubt about it.
I am not an fanboy of wither company dude, I just call it like it is. And first gen Ryzen is not the best for gaming.
@@joeyvdm1 One example where the 1800x, which is pretty much an overclocked 1700, beats the 7700k: www.computerbase.de/2017-03/amd-ryzen-1800x-1700x-1700-test/4/#diagramm-battlefield-1-dx11-multiplayer-fps . This was already at launch. Right now the sweet spot is 6 cores although a 4 core cpu with hyperthreading holds up well mostly. You might argue the 7700k was a better choice if you have a high refresh rate monitor, else it simply does not matter if you have 100 or 120 FPS. Also most tests run with a 2080 TI at low resolution to show differences which are completly meaningless. So the much more interessting question to me is, which CPU will age better and therefor I clearly choose 8 instead of 4 cores.
@@MHWUU Here look at these Digital Foundry benchmarks.
ruclips.net/video/ffKHk-M_8eY/видео.html
You can see in those benchmarks in the Kingdom Come: Deliverance benchmark that not even an 3700x can actually stay above 60 FPS at all. I am not talking about an 2 second FPS drop. I mean constant under 60 FPS.
And if you watch the entire benchmark you will see that with an 2080ti and in the most demanding games that 3rd gen Ryzen stutters and drop FPS quite badly.
An 1700 is even worse. So to be covered by the best GPUs and have an constant 60 FPS in every game, it is still only Intel that delivers. The 7700k once overclocked can do this, barley.
So it is not only high refresh rate gaming. But yes, I think most people won't be pairing an 2080ti with an 1700/1800x. But I am just talking about an pure top of the line gaming CPU, and the 7700k was that at the time, and still does the job once overclocked and paired with fast RAM.
And your benchmark was one game that the 7700k lost in, and it was barley anything in that loss, it lost by 2fps, that is a joke dude, and the 7700k was not overclocked. When the 1700/1800x loses they lose big time, and even 3rd gen cant stay above 60 FPS at all times, as proven by Digital Foundry. And the 1800x is much slower than 3rd gen.
That is all down to Ryzen CCX layout and much lower IPC first gen. And Battlefield multplayer is well known to love cores, but it barely beat and stocked clocked 7700k.
@@MHWUU And here, look at these Gamers Nexus benchmarks. It is 10 gens of Intel CPUs compared.
ruclips.net/video/KPWEdbfJ0oE/видео.html
Look for the overclocked 6700k in the charts. It keeps up with an stock 8700k in some games, an 8400 in others and an 3700x in some. That is performance well above an 1800x. And that is at 4.8ghz and who knows what RAM (maybe 3200mhz, not sure).
You can get an 7700k to 5.0/5.1 and pair it with 3600mhz RAM (or faster) and get even better performance out of it.
My 1700 still running strong @4GHz
I have a 1700! had it overclocked to 4.1Ghz at 1.425V but it degraded, RIP. Now its at 3.9 on stockish voltage. Runs okay for what it is, but very much looking forward to the 4000 series
Still rocking my launch day 1700x. It probably only gone 2000 hrs since launch. Never felt the need to upgrade. Only casual gaming and mainly for vr. Never failed me or anything,as you'd expect lol.
Still repping my r7 1700 at 3.7 and its still going strong though I really wanna upgrade! The second 4000 series comes out Im finally going to give in.
Using 1700 with 1080ti for 3 years and its still doing great. Only struggling with RDR2 ultra
I had a 1700 at the same clocks as this review that served me well till middle of last year when I upgraded to a 3950x. Really happy - couldn't have asked for more. Thanks AMD!
I have my R7 1700 since 2017 and I still love it like I loved it the first day. It's now been overclocked for about two and a half years and works perfectly fine @ 8x ~3.9 GHz.
the way you tell things are really good, you don't know this, but because of you, people like us who are in the range of middle class really gets to know what things to buy and what not to, you are a good example of a straight forward person and a good reality shower. Thank you for supporting us... =D
Love the videos! But man your upload times are making my awful sleep schedule even worse lol
We can suffer together!
Still rocking my 1700x and 1080 sli. No desire to upgrade yet, still does well for my 2k gaming.
Bought a 1700 when at its lowest value at $165 on sale! Now used they are selling for $250 plus. Jackpot!
Worth a watch, I've still got my 1700X in my secondary rig. Still works like a champ.
Time goes fast!
Feels like my 1600 was bought last year
Three years ago I bought a 1800X. By the time it arrived to my door I had read the reviews again and returned it for the 1700. Saved $300 and still have an absolute beast of a PC!! So happy to see it's still going strong!
'It's been about 3 years...'
Where has time gone?! 0_o?????!
As always, thanks for the great content Steve and GN team! :D
I have a 1700 @3.8 and have been wondering with the latest cpu updates if its still even worth a new chip since I game at 1440p with a gtx 1080 so any new ryzen chip won't really be worth it imo, would be interesting to see more testing at 1440p with settings people actually play on to see what percentage of improvement can be made with a drop in upgrade not just trying to get as much difference as possible between all the chips because that's not how people realistically play games. If you have a "lower end gaming cpu" you might as well make the gpu the limiting factor and crank all the settings that way the difference between a 1700 and a 10600k or a 3700x become smaller and smaller
You do so much good work, GN. I even cited one of your videos in my PhD thesis!
After BIOS update this year, my R7 1700 (non X) runs at 4Ghz stable with 16gb @3400Mhz tweaked to cl14 (also subtimings)
I've never had such a smooth experience... No dips and nearly every game at 144Hz with my 1080ti 👍🏻 thx AMD
Which motherboard?
Upgraded my 1700 to a 3600, and now the 1700 is in my home server. 8C/16T + ECC memory support + Low-ish TDP makes it great for this.
Returned my R5 1600 and paid an extra $150-$160 total for a 8700K system 3 years ago... worth every penny looking at those benchmarks. Of course, also got a R5 3600 system in the living room too since the 3000 Ryzens are so well-rounded.
As someone who games I'm pretty happy I got the 8700k. I was initially worried the extra 2 cores would be important a few years later, but that's been proven to not be the case at all.