Just turned 40k on my I-Pace. It still gets a lot of attention, and I’ve found charging times aren’t that much slower than the competition in the real world. As far as the sun shade goes I bought it a year ago, clipped it in and haven’t thought much about it since.
I love the Jaguar I-Pace, but I think it's time for a mid cycle refresh. Really needs some increased efficiency and some better brakes. It has such a huge battery, yet the range is a bit lacking. And god knows it needs an automatic sun shade. Granted, I love the optional spare tire. The only other EV I can think of that even has space for one is the Rivian, Hummer, and the Hyundai Kona
Let’s compare just the front suspension: Ionic 5 - steel plate macpherson iPace - cast hollow aluminium double wishbone + air suspension That’s completely different league.
We have both ionic 5 and ipace, love both of them, ionic 5 I would describe as serene driving experience and retro cool. But the iPace is a class above, it’s more refined and luxurious whilst most definitely more of a drivers care, it fits Jaguars mission statement of Grace, Space and Pace in a very modern but timeless way.
Your comments about the brakes are misguided. Your test car brakes are unlikely to have bedded in as brakes get very little use. The motor high regen give a fair braking as well. The car brakes very well, and it sees a hazard before I do and has saved me a couple of times. This car is amazing. Consider it a Sports SUV EV.
I am on my second iPace - over 4 years. Superb car. Superb brakes. His comments suggest his car brakes had not bedded in as they get so little use due to most braking being on the motors. He says other cars have moved on, but having looked at the other makes, there is no comparison! The iPace is still leaps ahead of the other makes. I cannot find another EV I would want to swop for......!!
I've had couple of rides in an I-Pace, as a passenger. It's more like a slightly raised hatchback than an SUV or a Crossover. Two would have enough room in the back, but there were three of us in the back and it was not comfortable space wise or ride comfort wise. The dash looked nice though and (for a Jag) felt well built.
I'd buy this over almost every other EV for the simple fact there is no iPad stuck in my face on the dash; the one in the Mach E is so big the corner hits my knee. The E-Tron GT has it right on the screen, but the $116K out the door price for the Audi is absurd-----I don't really see a $43K difference between this and a base E-Tron GT. The "22 inch flat monitor on the dash" trend will be like the talking cars of the late 80s; decades from now people will wonder just what GDF'ing drug the designers were on to come up with such a monstrosity.
I actually don’t think EV tech moves as quickly as you think it does. All EVs still use pretty much the same battery chemistry as this. Some are more efficient and some less. Yes some now have faster charging but that’s not fundamentally new or different tech. I’d still seriously consider this car because it’s way cheaper than a comparably equipped taycan (~25k less), drives better than a big etron and has a luxury car interior unlike the mainstream competition (ioniq, Mach E,etc). For example you can still get real leather on the ipace vs the fake sweaty plastic stuff on most others. The bmw i4 50 is probably the most direct competitor now In price but it’s uglier and doesn’t offer much that this doesn’t in terms of tech, charging speed, or space. Fundamentally it’s still just a matter of j picking what qualities/features are most important to you based on your budget - there’s still no “silver bullet” in my opinion (and yes I include Tesla in that as well)
Still one of the nicest EVs that looks like a proper car. So many have really weird fronts, as if the designers just don't know what to do without a grill.
Spot on. A friend had one but has just sold it, lovely interior and all that but the range deteriorated drastically over time and it has stagnated a bit since the launch. Oh and don't start me on the roof shades, which he had!!! 😂 He's now got a F-Pace SVR instead, and I am more that a tiny bit jealous of that car. What a beast...😁
Interesting review... glad you did the 2022 I-Pace. I agree how much more quickly EVs are changing than ICEVs ever did. I avidly watch EV news and videos online, and I find that anything that's 6-12 months old in terms of RUclips videos with EVs is already too old to watch (with rare exceptions) -- the field is moving at such a great pace (and this includes vehicles, battery tech, charging infrastructure, etc.). And it gives me great pause in buying an EV, wondering if 2-3 years later the new EVs coming out will be a great deal better (meaning I may not be buying an EV for long-term -- outside of our RAV4 Prime, which is superb). With Tesla dominating the field for years, there wasn't a lot of change so rapidly, but now with everybody joining the EV race, it's a whole different world, and some of the new EV tech outside of Tesla is already better than what Tesla has (such as 800-volt architecture, and many useful features that Teslas don't have -- including real buttons and dials in some EVs -- plus better quality in many non-Teslas than you find in Teslas). So Tesla was king and still holds the sales crown by a long shot, but Tesla won't be the sales leader by end of decade (or shouldn't be, because the quality of their vehicles is inferior to what's coming out from other automakers now, and it's not clear that Musk has the common sense or open-mindedness to improve the many design faults in Teslas). I'd be afraid to buy a Jaguar because I don't think the company will be around much longer (as you say), but I'd far rather have the I-Pace than any Tesla, save maybe for the Model S.
Consider that the ipace is on the market almost unchanged since 2018 it was a groundbreaking design. Today its meh. Jaguar lacks the money of developing something new. Landrover is quite successful and paying the Jaguar bills, also the current owner Tata from India. The ipace should have been a smashing success entering the market, now it's simply not competitive anymore, as you also said. I like the interior - similar to Landrover. Agreed would also prefer the Ioniq5 right now (april) in may it will be something else, it's so fast changing like the iPhone - every year there is still a lot of news. Jaguar just lost it - not the EV part, more in their normal car line up which is just not successful enough. Will see what the future brings - great review :)
This is one of those cars which I would gladly throw out all my preferences for. It is just gorgeous. I want to be wrong when I say this is going to be a classic design.
If they had started this car at 59K when it first came out, I think it would have been much more successful. When I drove it a year ago, I thought it was a fantastic driver, but above my pay grade. I just bought a Kia EV6.
Had an ipace, One of the best EVs after Taycan/etron GT. Driving dynamics are incredible, steering feedback is good, car talks to. Looks like an exotic Shame the sales weren't there
I do like the price of the IONIQ 5 and with a sub-5 sprint to 60, it’s more than adequate at acceleration. Before you mentioned squat we saw it.🫣 The kinematics of this needs to be immediately addressed along with the brakes, to avoid the dive and to make it beyond that bridge too long. This is actually doable with adaptive suspension and would be primarily what set it apart from the rail car stiff “performance” EV’s. Great analysis contained in this video review. 💯
I looked at the ipace when it first came out and it was $80k+. I guess they reduced the price by $10k. I thought it was nice, but not $80k nice. I just got an Ioniq 5 and I think it’s comparable to the ipace and more functional.
Good info, but maybe to negative video ‘title’ grabber’, and since MY23 updates aren’t all known yet. Look forward to you doing an update with those too. Thank you.
these are great snow EV's with the air suspension (and the right tires); I hope JLR continues to work with Magna on improving these in the future. though I fear that future BEV Range Rover Velar's might be seen as a replacement.
I think people are waiting on Jaguars XF EV and possibly Hybrid car there working on. Must remember the I pace is jaguars first and an experiment as fuel cars will be band in UK from 2040. So in light of that.. Epic car for the first. Cant wait for t he next and above all.. Beats the hell out of Ugly Teslas styling inside and out
I like the I-pace because of the warranty and the underbody components. And it’s not 100k. Though I have to say there are better deals for those who don’t live in the salt belt.
Yeah that is a good description of the story of the i-Pace. However every EV appeals to a different buyer and has different pluses and minuses. Haven't been able to drive the i pace yet but where are you going to find that beautiful interior as well as driving dynamics in an ev plus adjstable air suspension ? I have tried the EV 6 which is nice but have heard does't handle well and the headroom is really limitted. The Ionic 5 interior looks too economy like for me and is a bit goofy. The Polestar is the closest to luxury but boy is that a cramped cabin and the counsel design kind of ruins it. It does handle really well but is stiff and loud over bumps. I am hoping that the I-Pace though dated checks the important boxes for me when I finally find one which is the main problem here though leasing these EV's might make more sense with how fast things are changing.
Jaguar has been silent with EVs. I sooooo want an XF Sportbrake, and if they were to make a PROPER EV, I'd consider it. Mercedes shows they barely care about packaging. EQE is a packaging drama, EQS only better due to liftback and bigger behind. Lucid Air gets a 280 liter frunk, nothing in Mercs and nearly anything in the Jag. Please let Jag be the one that buys the Korean batteries and scales them up for luxury cars. 300 kW charging is there for the taking. There is no shame in using the Lucid Air platform, just work out a fair price. And for goodness sake, make it a real wagon, no super flat rear window nonsense.
I don't get this insistence on the Ionic 5 being "for your money" just as good. It's all plastic inside and it looks like a big electric VW hatchback? It is not anything near luxe (nor rides like a luxe car), and even Porsche still gets in the same range as this. I-Pace still a winner in my opinion, of course, even in 2022/3..
I LOVE the exterior. The interior quality is very good and I like the instrument panel and infotainment layout. I REALLY wanted to buy one of these at first until I discovered a few big negatives: 1) Efficiency is bad, where you may not be able to do 180 highway miles reliably (my benchmark for EVs charge legs in a road-trip). 2) The charge rate is MUCH slower than the competition, so when you road trip, it takes a lot longer to charge to make the next leg of a trip. 3) This is one of the biggest issues for me… The drive assistance features for auto highway driving were demonstrated to be VERY unreliable. Specifically, the car just suddenly, without warning, stops lane following and can veer off. After owning a Tesla Model S and seeing other cars also do such a great job of assisted highway driving, I expect the same of this car. If they fix that, I’d still likely buy one. 4) I could never find any of these anywhere to test drive, let alone buy. This has been a general issue with other cars due to supply chain constraints, but it is seemingly much worse for Jaguar’s EV as the brand is already low volume in the U.S. Has manufacturing paused? I now have a BMW i4 M50 on order because I feel it has better tech creature features than my Model S; it’s appropriately luxurious for the price point, has decent range (much better than rated), highway driving assistance works reliably, it looks fantastic in person.
I'm pretty sure these have close to stock Bosch mobility video systems with lane keep assist, they aren't intended to do anything fancy. my understanding is JLR won't be using anything more capable until the they start using Nvidia's DRIVE systems for 2025.
Jaguars production numbers are miniscule compared to the competition in their segments. They are rather beautifull, and thats it. Nothing more. Third choice if even that. Really sad.
Literally the soccer moms that are going to buy this thing are not worried about any of that other than is it going to keep the kids safe and look good doing it🤷🏾♂️
Technically it’s a good car but looks I’ll say it it’s just plain ugly especially in lighter colours further to This range range range it’s just poor plus the lack of 800v in the update puts it firmly in old gen if this is the direction Jaguar are going then they need to go back to the drawing board
See, this is what worries me with Jag....they don't have to time or money or expertise to engineer in an electric sliding shade for the huge greenhouse roof. Makes you wonder what other corners have been cut under the skin of this car. I've had many cars with sunroofs and glass roofs......even in rainy old Britain I'd be wary of one without a shade. Especially on an EV where whacking the aircon up drains the battery faster.
Just turned 40k on my I-Pace. It still gets a lot of attention, and I’ve found charging times aren’t that much slower than the competition in the real world. As far as the sun shade goes I bought it a year ago, clipped it in and haven’t thought much about it since.
Has it been reliable? What year?
@@SkippyPB. Pretty reliable. A charge port replacement and a wiring harness for the breaking have been the two big items.
I love the Jaguar I-Pace, but I think it's time for a mid cycle refresh. Really needs some increased efficiency and some better brakes. It has such a huge battery, yet the range is a bit lacking. And god knows it needs an automatic sun shade. Granted, I love the optional spare tire. The only other EV I can think of that even has space for one is the Rivian, Hummer, and the Hyundai Kona
Let’s compare just the front suspension:
Ionic 5 - steel plate macpherson
iPace - cast hollow aluminium double wishbone + air suspension
That’s completely different league.
We have both ionic 5 and ipace, love both of them, ionic 5 I would describe as serene driving experience and retro cool. But the iPace is a class above, it’s more refined and luxurious whilst most definitely more of a drivers care, it fits Jaguars mission statement of Grace, Space and Pace in a very modern but timeless way.
Your comments about the brakes are misguided. Your test car brakes are unlikely to have bedded in as brakes get very little use. The motor high regen give a fair braking as well. The car brakes very well, and it sees a hazard before I do and has saved me a couple of times. This car is amazing. Consider it a Sports SUV EV.
I am on my second iPace - over 4 years. Superb car. Superb brakes. His comments suggest his car brakes had not bedded in as they get so little use due to most braking being on the motors. He says other cars have moved on, but having looked at the other makes, there is no comparison! The iPace is still leaps ahead of the other makes. I cannot find another EV I would want to swop for......!!
Agreed the regen breaking almost makes the breaks redundant
I've had couple of rides in an I-Pace, as a passenger. It's more like a slightly raised hatchback than an SUV or a Crossover. Two would have enough room in the back, but there were three of us in the back and it was not comfortable space wise or ride comfort wise. The dash looked nice though and (for a Jag) felt well built.
I'd buy this over almost every other EV for the simple fact there is no iPad stuck in my face on the dash; the one in the Mach E is so big the corner hits my knee. The E-Tron GT has it right on the screen, but the $116K out the door price for the Audi is absurd-----I don't really see a $43K difference between this and a base E-Tron GT. The "22 inch flat monitor on the dash" trend will be like the talking cars of the late 80s; decades from now people will wonder just what GDF'ing drug the designers were on to come up with such a monstrosity.
I actually don’t think EV tech moves as quickly as you think it does. All EVs still use pretty much the same battery chemistry as this. Some are more efficient and some less. Yes some now have faster charging but that’s not fundamentally new or different tech. I’d still seriously consider this car because it’s way cheaper than a comparably equipped taycan (~25k less), drives better than a big etron and has a luxury car interior unlike the mainstream competition (ioniq, Mach E,etc). For example you can still get real leather on the ipace vs the fake sweaty plastic stuff on most others. The bmw i4 50 is probably the most direct competitor now In price but it’s uglier and doesn’t offer much that this doesn’t in terms of tech, charging speed, or space.
Fundamentally it’s still just a matter of j picking what qualities/features are most important to you based on your budget - there’s still no “silver bullet” in my opinion (and yes I include Tesla in that as well)
Having compared Mercedes and Porsche, the Jag is a far better car, better economy, better design, better drive
Still one of the nicest EVs that looks like a proper car. So many have really weird fronts, as if the designers just don't know what to do without a grill.
Oh I've just looked at the Hyundai. 🤢 I'd pay the extra for the Jag.
Within the context of Kia’s EV6, this honest effort makes no sense.
Spot on. A friend had one but has just sold it, lovely interior and all that but the range deteriorated drastically over time and it has stagnated a bit since the launch. Oh and don't start me on the roof shades, which he had!!! 😂
He's now got a F-Pace SVR instead, and I am more that a tiny bit jealous of that car. What a beast...😁
Have enjoyed mine and would not trade unless for more range in '24 Jaguar. Just cannot stand the plastic crap interiors in other EVs at or below price
Interesting review... glad you did the 2022 I-Pace. I agree how much more quickly EVs are changing than ICEVs ever did. I avidly watch EV news and videos online, and I find that anything that's 6-12 months old in terms of RUclips videos with EVs is already too old to watch (with rare exceptions) -- the field is moving at such a great pace (and this includes vehicles, battery tech, charging infrastructure, etc.). And it gives me great pause in buying an EV, wondering if 2-3 years later the new EVs coming out will be a great deal better (meaning I may not be buying an EV for long-term -- outside of our RAV4 Prime, which is superb). With Tesla dominating the field for years, there wasn't a lot of change so rapidly, but now with everybody joining the EV race, it's a whole different world, and some of the new EV tech outside of Tesla is already better than what Tesla has (such as 800-volt architecture, and many useful features that Teslas don't have -- including real buttons and dials in some EVs -- plus better quality in many non-Teslas than you find in Teslas). So Tesla was king and still holds the sales crown by a long shot, but Tesla won't be the sales leader by end of decade (or shouldn't be, because the quality of their vehicles is inferior to what's coming out from other automakers now, and it's not clear that Musk has the common sense or open-mindedness to improve the many design faults in Teslas). I'd be afraid to buy a Jaguar because I don't think the company will be around much longer (as you say), but I'd far rather have the I-Pace than any Tesla, save maybe for the Model S.
Consider that the ipace is on the market almost unchanged since 2018 it was a groundbreaking design. Today its meh. Jaguar lacks the money of developing something new. Landrover is quite successful and paying the Jaguar bills, also the current owner Tata from India. The ipace should have been a smashing success entering the market, now it's simply not competitive anymore, as you also said. I like the interior - similar to Landrover. Agreed would also prefer the Ioniq5 right now (april) in may it will be something else, it's so fast changing like the iPhone - every year there is still a lot of news. Jaguar just lost it - not the EV part, more in their normal car line up which is just not successful enough. Will see what the future brings - great review :)
Nonsense. Jag runs rings around any Ioniq. It's also nice. Ioniq is an econobox. Crap interior. Looks like a boxcar.
@@aldeflorio5500 in terms of quality / interior right, in terms of UX, charging speed - nope.
Wow. Talk about misinformation. Delete this comment.
100% misinformed. Your comment needs to be updated or deleted!
I would still prefer the I Pace because of the one thing you missed... it has real off road chops along with good on road dynamics.
I'd rather have this than a Model Y.
This is more of a competitor to a Model X, but I would take this too.
This is one of those cars which I would gladly throw out all my preferences for. It is just gorgeous. I want to be wrong when I say this is going to be a classic design.
If they had started this car at 59K when it first came out, I think it would have been much more successful. When I drove it a year ago, I thought it was a fantastic driver, but above my pay grade. I just bought a Kia EV6.
Had an ipace, One of the best EVs after Taycan/etron GT. Driving dynamics are incredible, steering feedback is good, car talks to.
Looks like an exotic
Shame the sales weren't there
Why did you swap it out already? And for what?
@@Cloxxki RS E-Tron GT on order from October 21, ETA July 22
I am a fan of your pronunciation of Hyundai: "Hun-day-a" :D
Good thorough review. Cheers!
I do like the price of the IONIQ 5 and with a sub-5 sprint to 60, it’s more than adequate at acceleration. Before you mentioned squat we saw it.🫣 The kinematics of this needs to be immediately addressed along with the brakes, to avoid the dive and to make it beyond that bridge too long. This is actually doable with adaptive suspension and would be primarily what set it apart from the rail car stiff “performance” EV’s. Great analysis contained in this video review. 💯
I looked at the ipace when it first came out and it was $80k+. I guess they reduced the price by $10k. I thought it was nice, but not $80k nice. I just got an Ioniq 5 and I think it’s comparable to the ipace and more functional.
Your take on 22” vs 20” wheels, ie looks, performance, feel, worth the upgrade, etc. Thank you.
Somehow I forgot this model even existed. I guess that says a lot. When something is good, it sells and people know about it.
Good info, but maybe to negative video ‘title’ grabber’, and since MY23 updates aren’t all known yet. Look forward to you doing an update with those too. Thank you.
Hey, I have been searching all over. Is thia the Aruba colour? The supposedly gold colour?
Great review & this is a beautiful car 👍👏
these are great snow EV's with the air suspension (and the right tires); I hope JLR continues to work with Magna on improving these in the future. though I fear that future BEV Range Rover Velar's might be seen as a replacement.
I think people are waiting on Jaguars XF EV and possibly Hybrid car there working on. Must remember the I pace is jaguars first and an experiment as fuel cars will be band in UK from 2040. So in light of that.. Epic car for the first. Cant wait for t he next and above all.. Beats the hell out of Ugly Teslas styling inside and out
I like the I-pace because of the warranty and the underbody components. And it’s not 100k. Though I have to say there are better deals for those who don’t live in the salt belt.
no wonder the braking is terrible, single piston, sliding calipers on a $70K car...I shake my head
Yeah that is a good description of the story of the i-Pace. However every EV appeals to a different buyer and has different pluses and minuses. Haven't been able to drive the i pace yet but where are you going to find that beautiful interior as well as driving dynamics in an ev plus adjstable air suspension ? I have tried the EV 6 which is nice but have heard does't handle well and the headroom is really limitted. The Ionic 5 interior looks too economy like for me and is a bit goofy. The Polestar is the closest to luxury but boy is that a cramped cabin and the counsel design kind of ruins it. It does handle really well but is stiff and loud over bumps. I am hoping that the I-Pace though dated checks the important boxes for me when I finally find one which is the main problem here though leasing these EV's might make more sense with how fast things are changing.
May as well, Jag doesn’t give a crap about it anymore.
I'd definitely get an IONIQ 5 over this, just for the audacity of a manual sun shade as an option alone
I'd go Kia EV6, just for the price savings. 😁
Econobox vs. luxury car. Junk interior vs. classy interior. Apples to dandelions comparison.
Steel plate McPherson vs. cast aluminium double wishbone with air suspension.
And that’s only the front axle comparison.
This car looks like a crazy science experiment. Not my cup of tea at all but this review was great as always.
Make fun of the sun shades, but you don't need them at all!
Great looking car!!
Happy Easter
2:30 all season tires on an EV with 400hp and almost 700Nm??? no way 😅
Best All around EV under 75k ...Don't believe it, Go drive 1. 2 year reliability is 95%.
Jaguar has been silent with EVs. I sooooo want an XF Sportbrake, and if they were to make a PROPER EV, I'd consider it.
Mercedes shows they barely care about packaging. EQE is a packaging drama, EQS only better due to liftback and bigger behind. Lucid Air gets a 280 liter frunk, nothing in Mercs and nearly anything in the Jag.
Please let Jag be the one that buys the Korean batteries and scales them up for luxury cars. 300 kW charging is there for the taking. There is no shame in using the Lucid Air platform, just work out a fair price. And for goodness sake, make it a real wagon, no super flat rear window nonsense.
With a quick look of the video thumbnail, I thought it was a Kia EV6. 😄😄😄
NICE CAR
I don't get this insistence on the Ionic 5 being "for your money" just as good. It's all plastic inside and it looks like a big electric VW hatchback? It is not anything near luxe (nor rides like a luxe car), and even Porsche still gets in the same range as this. I-Pace still a winner in my opinion, of course, even in 2022/3..
I LOVE the exterior. The interior quality is very good and I like the instrument panel and infotainment layout. I REALLY wanted to buy one of these at first until I discovered a few big negatives:
1) Efficiency is bad, where you may not be able to do 180 highway miles reliably (my benchmark for EVs charge legs in a road-trip).
2) The charge rate is MUCH slower than the competition, so when you road trip, it takes a lot longer to charge to make the next leg of a trip.
3) This is one of the biggest issues for me… The drive assistance features for auto highway driving were demonstrated to be VERY unreliable. Specifically, the car just suddenly, without warning, stops lane following and can veer off. After owning a Tesla Model S and seeing other cars also do such a great job of assisted highway driving, I expect the same of this car. If they fix that, I’d still likely buy one.
4) I could never find any of these anywhere to test drive, let alone buy. This has been a general issue with other cars due to supply chain constraints, but it is seemingly much worse for Jaguar’s EV as the brand is already low volume in the U.S. Has manufacturing paused?
I now have a BMW i4 M50 on order because I feel it has better tech creature features than my Model S; it’s appropriately luxurious for the price point, has decent range (much better than rated), highway driving assistance works reliably, it looks fantastic in person.
I'm pretty sure these have close to stock Bosch mobility video systems with lane keep assist, they aren't intended to do anything fancy. my understanding is JLR won't be using anything more capable until the they start using Nvidia's DRIVE systems for 2025.
Well I feel like this is the point I should get out of bed n stop farting 🥰
Completely disagree! Wish it had better range!
That's not a Jagwar It's a Jag U (you) ar
"Jaaag"
Jaguars production numbers are miniscule compared to the competition in their segments. They are rather beautifull, and thats it. Nothing more. Third choice if even that. Really sad.
expensive!!
Literally the soccer moms that are going to buy this thing are not worried about any of that other than is it going to keep the kids safe and look good doing it🤷🏾♂️
Technically it’s a good car but looks I’ll say it it’s just plain ugly especially in lighter colours further to This range range range it’s just poor plus the lack of 800v in the update puts it firmly in old gen if this is the direction Jaguar are going then they need to go back to the drawing board
This car... Its stale and old. Just like the brand that dawned it. Sad cause i loved Jag.
Jags aren’t what they used to be…no panache. Bland brand. Need a revamping and quick.
This technology should have been in a new XJE luxury sedan to compete with model S. This thing is hideous.
ugly looking car
You should have gone to Specsavers!
See, this is what worries me with Jag....they don't have to time or money or expertise to engineer in an electric sliding shade for the huge greenhouse roof. Makes you wonder what other corners have been cut under the skin of this car. I've had many cars with sunroofs and glass roofs......even in rainy old Britain I'd be wary of one without a shade. Especially on an EV where whacking the aircon up drains the battery faster.