The devs shouldn’t have anything to do with the “builds” per se based on items. There should be unlimited creativity permitted at the player level to provide the best user experience. There are obscure builds in d2 that are still being “discovered” which devs never even considered or thought about. I love that after playing d2 since I was a high schooler, I am still learning about possibilities and able to get creative with my gearing.
The builds for D4 are seriously limited by a pathetic skill system that is never addressed because they keep hyping world bosses, events, and other crap that deflects from the fundamental problems of the foundational elements of the game - the skill trees and thus builds. Example; The barbarian skill tree is so bad that the entire tier 3 - 'Weapon Mastery' is USELESS - not one skill can be used in high level gaming... you have to make sure Berserk is up 100% of the time or your one shot - have to have 3 shouts, and then that leaves you with main skill of WW or Ground Slam skill... anything else is rubbish... Oh and forget tanking, as a Barb cant even wear a shield, can't throw - the chain drag is useless.... no singer, and cant even equip a bow to try something different.. As I say, its the foundational skill tree system and skills that need MASSIVE work, and to say they have worked years on it... there is no way this game will be any good in the long run... unfortunately :(
@@deetsitmeisterjd Did you even play the end game beta test? Its got NOTHING to do with 'rose-tinted glasses' and everything to do with practicality and reality of the D4 skill tree system and the paragon boards. Instead of saying how bad D2 is, how about give me the reasons that D4 in its current format is so good?
@@leagreenall5972 Yeah, I am very much not a fan of how much they leaned into D3's "builders and spenders" approach to skills. Being quite literally forced to use weak boring attacks in order to use other skills that actually do anything feels pretty stale after the first 20 mins. Sit here and auto this mob until you can WW for 5 seconds.
@@NotKevinBrand Totally agree... All this hype and releasing only the first 25 levels with no paragon ensures people only see the newness and novelty of the game... it doesnt show the fundamental flaws... ie people are getting sucked in by hype :(
Miss kitty, game balance is very importent for the game. Telling the devs to stay away is a recipe for failiure. I dont like the poe approach of just writing some numbers here and there and hope for the best. It makes me feel more like a beta tester than a actual player.
Trading was such a large part of my enjoyment of D2 that I am pessimistic about the effects of limiting it in D4. It allowed me to create builds that I would never have been able to make if I was limited to my own in game item find instead of having the ability to leverage that of my friends and Battlenet community members. I am currently in a "wait and see" mode with D4. I like much of the stuff I am seeing and dislike a few things that may or may not be deal breakers for me. I have not bought a Blizzard game since D2 LOD but I am cautiously optimistic about D4 right now.
Trading is not what limits the build diversity, it is the foundational skill system.... I mean for a Barb there is no shield option, so no tank... no throw, no singer, heck can't even equip a bow to try it out... its like D3, cold, soulless, and cookie cutter conformist builds :( ... and then most of the skills are useless on the 'weapon mastery' tier 3 list... so you MUST use WW or a ground slam... I wish I was mistaken and it wasnt so
@@leagreenall5972 I am not a fan of limiting weapon/gear usage to certain classes either. It is fine to make using something like a shield sub optimum for a certain class but it should be left as an option anyway so people can play the way the want to play. I tried all kinds of crazy builds in the years that I was obsessed with D2. Some worked and some didn't but I had fun with all of them. Blizzard needs to realize that not every player is interested in building the most op build possible and racing to max level. Some people like to play just for fun and enjoy experimenting a lot. That is fun too.
@@stevenbitecofer6831 There is NOTHING like that currently in D4... a Barbarian HAS to wear all at the same time- 2 Handed Bludgeon weapon, 2 x 1 handed weapons, a 2 handed slash weapon.... if you dont, then you dont get bonuses and you will die. What I will say, is that if D4 had utilised a skill tree like 'Path of Exile', then it would have been ridiculously AMAZING.... but alas, its like a clone or worse of D3, just set up aesthetically different.
Just some of my thoughts on your comments about trading and build diversity. One of the things I thought was a good itemization choice was that legendary powers (unique effects) can be extracted and then transferred to different items. The devs specifically said that they are envisioning the strongest items having rare items as a base item (which are tradable) and then adding effects and upgrades to them. The idea of having many of the legendary effects also obtainable (at the min Stat range) from clearing dungeons and the codex system means that people would be more likely to get a "crappy" enigma analog despite not being able to trade some item classes.
@@quetzaltorres6387 That is a good point and something that I will consider. However, they did say that the Codex system will give only weak versions of the unique effects so I am not sure how readily you will really be able to make a powerful weapon or item. Not that I want it to be easy., I just want it to be possible to make something good with a reasonable amount of time invested. I will not be pre-ordering or buying on day one. We will see if the reviews and critique convinces me to give Blizzard any money this time.
I think if you read between the lines of dev interviews, what you'll hear is that they are really holding back on what's coming to the release version so that they can hit a super aggressive update cadence. Whether they'll execute well remains to be seen, but given the sheer size of the seasonal content team, I think they are poised to make huge improvements to the game several times per year.
@iumpieces Yeah I get your concern, but remember D4 had been in development for years before we got that announcement. Additionally 3-4 years from announcement to release is actually a pretty meaty development cycle. Rod Ferguson (general manager) is a baller with really good business strategy. If there's anyone who could push a live service model to actually work like it's supposed to, it's him.
Personally my biggest concern is the difficulty tiering that seems to be similar to D3. What I love about D2 is the moment between nightmare and hell where every elite can kill you and you feel the tension of moving forward. I hate the godmode like feeling off D3.
Also the relative power scaling per level. In D2 you would start at 5-6 dmg per attack, (it very depends of the build) at the end of normal you would be at let's say 800dmg, then 1500 at the end of nightmare with good gear you would reach 3000 dmg but all this time you gain less and less dmg as you level up. In D3 you still start at 5-6 dmg then grind up linearly to several tens of thousand at level 60 then with a set you jump in the millions and with optimized gear in billions.
@iumpieces wouldn’t say Hell/Inferno are all that difficult. Run 1-2 defensives for actual endgame play and at least %dmg reduction on 1-2 legendaries. Harlequin Crest is %DR too, etc. - otherwise just stack your %dmg modifiers and make basic wise decisions on your paragon board and Hell/Torment are just as easy as NM.
I mean all that is, is the scaling between difficulties. D3 change to difficulties after launch just added to MANY. Which, to be fair, was an issue of D3 at launch with the 4 difficulties vs 3. Having to play through 4 times kinda sucks. If they don't have AS many difficulties (which it doesn't seem like they do) and the jump is enough (it probably wont be) you'd still have that. You could say Oh but when I move to Hell it's a big jump, yeah well unless your rushing you probably lvl'ed up in NM before going to hell and it wasn't that big of a jump at that point. Well, least not till 1.10. 1.10 really fucked up a lot of balance stuff the game had going prior to that due to synergies and crazy runewords the game was balanced around all of a sudden. Plus all the immunities. So you go from Normal to NM where it's all still balanced by sane people then Hell hit's and it's all 1.10 expected crazy shit you definitely don't have yet. Anyway either you really like having to replay the game on the same character, or the minor difference between like 20 difficulty modes. Hopefully the less difficulty modes works out for D4?
@@AdhinJT D2 fan here. Meaningful static difficulties > 20 bare minimum bumps in difficulty. Hate the D3 model, and hate how much D3 has bled through into D4.
@@lolkuuj6859 Yeah and I mostly agree except the part where folks seem to want to replay the campaign 3 times. I would vastly prefer a lower amount of meaningful difficulty options, but I like how that base feature is implemented in D3 just not the incremental scale. It's kinda like how I like the max lvl of 20 in DnD and how each level brings something impactful (in 3E-5E) but a lot of games are all luls lvl 100, and each one just kinda runs together.
That was really interesting! Great questions, informative and digging into some core problems/concerns. So far, personally, I think the boss dynamic is the biggestern concern. Hoping it will evolve in a postive and fun way. But I also do understand it can be hard to find a good balancing sweetspot. Let's see how it goes 🤔
Thanks for your last 2 videos Dbrunski. I too am concerned, but also optimistic. My gut is saying it will be a fun experience, but won't keep me coming back like D2 does. I can't put my finger on a specific thing that's making me feel this way, I think it's just a little here, a little there, and all these little things add up. Also, the state of video games now is nothing like 20 years ago, all these layered in live service, cosmetics, battle pass stuff is normal now, but I'm not saying makes the game better. I guess to cap it all off, I'm excited, I'll play it, but I don't think it will keep my interest long term.
The trading of rare(base) items only sucks. When I think of trading base items, I think of finding a really sick socketed item for a specific rune word, slapping it in my stash knowing I'll get a decent mid-high rune for it that I can then trade for other goodies. It made seeing those drops exciting! I think a lot of people who are against trading just never got involved with it enough to see the beauty of it! It was fun and provided an alternative way of playing! They've basically just removed an element of fun from a video game - which is the whole point of gaming! I understand the botting aspect, but in trying to tackle this issue the devs are just diluting what makes diablo so compelling and fun! I'd sooner tolerate the bots and have more options for fun than strip away the fun for the sake of their war on botting. Misplaced priorities.
I have to disagree on the items and builds topic, you don't need infinity or griffon's or death web to make a build work, those are high end game items that allow you to stomp p8 on chaos or baal runs, but the average player that wants to try builds really doesn't need them. Also, i expect that D4 will be far more forgiving than D2 on terms of difficulty and viability bc there are no immunes.
the same logic that they gave when asked about drop rates can be applied to D3. You can chase primal legendaries for weeks but they don't really mean anything. I feel like this will happen in D4 sadly. Hopefully it takes at least a week to fully assemble a build and not a day.
Thanks for asking the real questions. I can’t tell if this put me on the ropes more about pre ordering or not though lol. I think I’ll get it but I’m probably gonna wait and see how launch goes and watch more videos on it tbh
Ended video at 1:15. Im not playing this game if trade is limited. hope you guys have fun Edit: Btw thx debrunski for asking the actual important questions right off the bat. Its an important part of the game for me and you basically save me time and money by making it clear for me that this diablo isnt for me. Hopefully if they keep updating D2R ill be satisfied with that
For veteran players such as my self, I would say that trading is 50% of the game. By removing that aspect or limit it drastically is a bad idea. Just look at the sales figures for D2r...
Hmm I just looked at d2r sales figures, they sold 5mil in around 6 months, it's good but D3 sold that in a week and D4 will likely beat that by a good margin.
Me too bro. Consoles are so close to a PC these days I don't see the excuse not too. Don't want to choose playing with a console friend or being able to use a keyboard
Any idea if they are going to restrict item for ladder and non ladder like in d2 ? I hear you say about session having themes/events. I don't know anything about d3.
I'm all for slower combat. Most ARPGs don't feel tactical to play, it's just hutton mashing and getting better gear to wipe out the hoards of enemies quicker. When everything is moving fast on screen and visual feedback is low due to clutter and spell effects the gameplay suffers. Being able to clearly see what's going on and reacting to it feels much better. Having the game difficult enough to punish the player if they don't react effectively is key.
What a complete bummer, honestly if they are going to make an absolutely poor decision to ban trading then I’m most likely going to pass on D4 and not waste ANY time playing it, it’s super unfortunate for them to not cater to their core player base, also what exactly is the point of banning the freedom to trade? There are zero negatives and it only makes the game more fun to play when you have the ability to trade with other people, it only adds value. Thats unfortunate. I guess I’ll play D2R for the rest of my life lol.
If they allow unlimited trade they basically open the door to Chinese item selling and a bunch of crap like that that is already plaguing d2. So stop complaining and whining about such a stupid thing, wtf cares really
What about runes and runewords??? I personally don't think they'll add that, unfortunately... It didn't have runes on the closed beta so, it probably won't on the final version... It's a pity, though, because runes and rune combinations are something that can make a game feel... magic, to say the least.
@@Gavinbelson are you trolling? Leaving non sense replies on multiple comments meanwhile you aren’t even remotely up to date with the development of d4. Clown.
Lost me at smart loot. I love that it's completely random as in D2 because when I find say a Griffon's I can look forward to making that Lightning Sorc or Javason and that eventually leads to me creating a new character to enjoy.
Dbrunski seems to be really hoping Diablo 4 is good because he is sick of D2, but since that is the main reason people watch him, he is trapped. I do wish he would bring back the human bot project series again. Those are great videos.
Will SOLO play be available for Diablo 4? I really have not heard much on the subject and I'm one of those that only plays Diablo in SOLO Hardcore. Thanks!
Any game that wants to be successful must have a free player market. D3 was dead the moment they pulled the Auction House. Players will look for a third party way of obtaining items anyway, thats why they need to control it from inhouse and make it optional not restrictive.
Limited Trading. Well guys, the hype was fun while it lasted. This will kill D4. I dont understand whats so hard about this "look at D2, make it modern, stick to the Story and banish anything like D3 and Diablo immortal" Any dev thats not able to understand that isnt worth his salary. Dont buy the game, Blizzard only seems to be able to learn when they Lose cash
Smart loot sounds good in theory but is just bad honestly. Hey you are a nec, here is Trang helm for 10th time. Oh you were hoping for Tal armor? Sorry, go on your sorc then.
@@pureghandi But only if you had something of value. You had to souless grind shit to get something to be lucky to trade. It felt like a waste of lifetime, while i love grinding but this was sometimes just stupid. You needet to start playing a class to grind items to have another class beeing able to grind. That felt bullshit, because of the bad balancing.
Should be open trade 100%. I rather pay a couple dollars for a subscription per month and they keep a task force on botting then be chucked with no trade. D2 best game ever made
Honestly I didn't get into ARPG's until much later on to be absolutely transparent, but for someone like me the combat looks so slow and plodding. The guy with the 2h axe sort of sluggishly hitting things for 10% of it's health seems somewhat boring. I hope that when I play it I enjoy it, but watching a video of someone smashing the ground with a hammer and the screen exploding in Lost Ark or PoE is far more satisfying visually. Hopefully it feels awesome though. Either way I am excited to try it and see how it feels.
Since they already stated that u will be able to use a controller on pc, they better bring KBM to consoles, that would be 100% fair and logical. I will be trying out free open beta to check out how it plays with controller, however no KBM at all for consoles would srsly make me reconsider purchasing diablo 4, maaaaaaaybe at big discounts like 20-30 bucks, instead of release date. God i hope they do KBM for consoles.
Diablo is dead fella, between immortal and this, the franchise is no more. They can call it diablo all they want, but it's no longer Diablo, just a convoluted mess using the name.
@@justinhildebrand1515 you and me both! It's not let me down, stays consistent and true to the formula and never gets old or boring, more than I can say for other diablo games recently 😅
No runes is a bit disappointing, runes and runewords were a huge part of Diablo 2. I am sure that D4 will be a tremendous improvement over the tragedy that was D3, I can't say it will be better than D2 because that game was and is so phenomenal but I think it will be an enjoyable game.
What’s unfortunate is the reason why they are going the smart loot route is because they are banning the ability to trade. I would pass on this. These devs deserve to crash and burn.
@@Dbrunski125 There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill off the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There is no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming. I hope they will allow trading inside partys like in D3. The Item gets account bound after a few hours.
I played the beta. Dungeons were so god damn boring and they seem to constitute the bulk of the end game. I really hope the devs make dungeons more exciting.
AGREED 100%.... what is worse is that the skill trees are SOOOO bad.... no diversity, and as a barb player that got 95+, it was pointless... heck cant even use a shield so no tank, no singer, no throw, in fact you had to have beserk up 100% of time or one shot... had to use 3 shouts so only option was WW or ground slam.... the paragon system was soulless and BORING... why do those ND grinds to upgrade crap glyphs... and the constant +5 stats with no real decent nodes... The folks here who just see the beta to level 25 are being conned. Its all novelty, and thats all the devs are pushing, because the heart and soul of what makes these games - the Skill trees and build options are just non existent - and from a game thats been developed for years!
I understand people who are fine with this trading system but for me it's a big barrier to replayability. I've historically played Diablo games to build "wealth" and to do commerce and without that incentive I'm personally just not interested. I'll still get the game and poke around. It's probably for the best ultimately... better for my marriage.
Yeah even though I never bothered with RMT, it was always nice to say, "Hey I found this item that people are spending X amount of money on." The value was not determined by an ingame shop, but the MARKET and ECONOMY. Really hope they don't screw that up.
@@Omnip073n77 Agree. Nothing beats the dopamine rush of finding an item that's highly sought after early in a D2 ladder season, and that's something that's completely missing in D3 and that I suspect will be missing in D4 for me. Now you get an item, compare stats, equip it or throw it away, it doesn't matter either way, no one wants it and no one cares because they can't get it from you anyway. There's no real economy. Oh well. We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.
All they had to do was make items BOE, once used can't be traded. Throw in a heavy craft system or upgrade system to gear and people would break items down, I always think back to Hell gate London's upgrade system which was solid, the more you upgraded an item the the heavier the requirements came. D4 itemization is the worst part imo, it seems they didn't really learn anything from d3.
I’m not gonna lie. The methodologies behind them preventing botting is so flawed and naive. As a cyber security expert, people will find a way to take advantage of your product always. The best way to prevent them from doing so is to devote time and resources into detecting and stopping game hacks in real time.
There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill of the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, Level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming. So making it unattractive to do so isn't bad.
Man, it sucks seeing every aspect of the game I love absolutely gutted by Blizzard. They had such a great concept for a game but threw it away to pander to the latest gaming trends. I never thought I'd see the day where I'd need a battle pass for Diablo. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted I guess..
So you can trade basically everything. You just have to make your own legendary with the afix you can trade.. that's completely fine. Go grind out the perfect rare.
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The "smart loot" concept is a HUGE turnoff for me. Why does a coder decide what kind of item should I drop and be allowed to use on my Barbarian? A Barbarian, as a primal fighter, can use a shield, a bow, even a log to smash foes.. We in communism again? :NotLikeThis:
Those are a huge minority and who even cares if they do, it's not a competitive game. I spent a lot of time this ladder trading on traderie and diablo io websites and trading is definitely substantial part of the fun for me.
Use your brain. What you think will happen now with diablo 4? Exactly, microtransactions and pay2win. Blizzard aint doing it do protect you. They doing it to sell the items to you
@@SaulGoodman-w2x Newbies that wear junk gear and beg for items accuse everyone that knows how to farm/puts in the mindless grind to do it as "RMT players." It's so annoying and they're very loud on Reddit and db's RUclips which is why they gutted trade.
@iumpieces how do you k now they don't have in game transactions? That's a wild speculation, based on what? Just ask yourself why would they not allow trading
@@FoodDipFan Right. I think it's the Instragram/instant gratification generation that can't tolerate having to grind/trade for many hours to get Enigma so if I have one I must be an RMT player.
I can't watch this without believing you're shilling for this abysmal system of no-trading, account bound pay to play BS. Won't be buying it, and I'm pretty much unsubscribed from you now. Buh bye.
So I've commented many times that unrestricted trading would be preferred but restricted trading isn't a deal breaker for me. Not sure how that makes me a shill. If you want to play D2 your entire life go ahead. That's great if you enjoy it and have fun more power to you. Why do you have to be a prick about me enjoying D4 so far?
I've also said I'm not a fan of the battle pass, battle pass perks, or the fomo they use to convince people to purchase said stuff. But again you probably haven't watch any of my videos all the way through to see that.
So are runes a thing? I played the beta got to lvl 57. Honestly I really liked D4. And it has great potential. World bosses weren't that hard though. Me and one other guy beat one by ourselves lol
@iumpieces Being a set is not the problem, imagine if you could get a crap infinity the first 10 minutes if you reach hell in D2, then you just grind to make your infinity a % better thats what people have problem with D3 gearing, it takes away the excitment of getting the item because you find 1000s of them
Its a hard balance, but I really hope they dont "ruin" the game for the 90% by hindering the 10% playerbase or whatever it is that bots. It seems like an annoying approach to circumvent botters, that you dont allow free trading.. There just has to be a better way to deal with botters than making decisions that limits player freedom. If there is an easy reachable "limit" to the amount of power a player can obtain, then sure there wouldnt be much point in botting, but then also.. is there really anything to do for the 90% of players beyond that point? I know PvP is a big thing and im also a big fan of PvP myself, but for a lot of people I imagine doing MF-runs in Diablo 2 was a huge thing becaue it had potential for them to get sick items and trade them and its just a shame if they take steps like these that ruin player freedom and enjoyment, to prevent the assholes from botting.. Id rather see super frequent banwaves or something that is more isolated on targeting botters without harming the rest of the playerbase. Paragon levels are also perfectly fine for the big grinders if they wanna put that many hours into the game, but as it stands with botters theres just no competing when theyre literally 2k paragon ahead of you a week into the season..
yeah they are not going to implement any anti-cheat and community service will be sparse. Just like in WoW, hackers and bots will run rampant if they allow free trading. I'd honestly rather have SSF smart loot and keep the low droprates of D2 than allowing MTX dad gamers to fully flesh out their char in 1 day by swiping credit card.. Most people advocating for free trading are the type of people who would pay to win in the first place. Fuck em.
@@Ulve124 hope they will allow it like in D3, as long you are in a session with a friend to be able to trade the item until it become char/account bound. So at least inside the gaming Party its allowed to trade free for a short amount of time.
If End Game Beta testing is the model, then trading will be all but non-existent.... but so saying that, maybe the release of more uniques and set items would change the ability to trade... as it stands now, it was virtually impossible. There is practically ZERO interaction with other players in this area and its VERY bad... they need a middle ground between D2 and D3, and I just can't see it happening at all. The World bosses and events again if similar to End Game Beta will be pointless. At the moment - world bosses only drop crafting items to socket items... and when you dont need them or cant trade them, then what? At least in D2R when DC spawns, you can do it over and gain the rewards to trade or improve what you have - with D4 and world bosses - its POINTLESS. What the latest limited lvl 25 beta test gave you was a false fascade, because it is all novelty and absolutely doesnt highlight the horrendous skill system and especially the paragon boards and system that is the meat and potatoes of the game... THAT has to be fixed - skills have to be worthwhile, there has to be a shake up so a Barbarian is not limited to Berserk up all the time, and the 3 shouts so he wont be one shot... there is no diversity - WW or Ground slam is all thats viable - and only with the right gear and paragon board themes.... theres not even a shield so a Barb can be a tank and sword and board.... theres no singer, throw, or even to be silly and use bows or something unique.... and all this is hidden away with limiting to lvl 25 and not even showing how the paragon works at lvl 50... In other words.... its all smoke and mirrors and the elephant in the room is hidden away and never addressed.
what are you gonna do about bots? - we gonna completely screw the trade possibilities and change the drop rates that have kept our d2 franchise alive for 20 years even with botting all other the place. These limitations they are gonna put on trading are a PITA for every player that loves trading while being inefficient on botting. Essentially every game with itemization gives more competitive advantages to players that play more. And that's what bot do. In D3 they destoyed AH and ended up making top items bound to the acc, and yet the game is still full of bots. The items that will incentivize players to bot are the same items that will incentivize players to play. If the only items available for trading are trash, they will be trash for bots AND legit players alike, it will be as if no trade at all is available in the game (imagine D2 where u can only trade pots, arrows and chipped gems for gold). On the other hand, if legendary are bound to accs, but highly demanded components such as crafting stuff or legendary affixes are open to trade, well crafting stuffs and legendary affixes will be botted and traded. So either trade limitation will completely destroy the economy, or it will just be useless against bots, while effectively screwing legit players.
Because the people who fawn over D2 will not be satisfied with anything other than D2. Don't get me wrong, D2 is a great game but it's time to move on for most people.
@@iumpieces1884 And then it will die after a month or two after the novelty wears off and players realise that the foundational skill tree and paragon system is REALLY bad and pointless... no diversity, no longevity, no uniqueness, forced to make conformity builds.... and no expansion, content upgrade and seasons will ever change that foundation :/
Just like all of activations games we cannot ban bots or hacks if any kind since we are the creators 😂 such a weak answer to bots question… not a good sign.
There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill of the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, Level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming.
they should let us exchange legendaries at least once.... so stupid that u can't give something to a friend.... 3 world bosses is pretty weak... need a ton more.. or just add full blown raids
@@darkagehibernia4843 diablo could be whatever it wants it to be, stop acting like there are hard rules.. diablo immortal had raids and other shit.. even the original blizz team who worked on d2 wanted an mmolite but just couldn't do it at the time
I dont see any item shops for D3, so mission has been accomplished. As long you can trade inside a party for 2-3hours its a total fine agreement. Since it has class based loot rules you wont need to trade much, because you will find somehting for your class/char. Other then in D2 where you have been unlucky in a SSF Ladder and struggle with Progress etc.
It might've worked for D3, but at the cost of 90% of their playerbase within 1 year. They just need to let things be and improve their bot detection IMO
@iumpieces I don't think sales are a good comparison to make, but if you wanna go that route... you should consider the following: D3 vanilla was riding on the coattails of D2's legacy. In addition, D3+RoS sold on like 6-7 consoles so far. ROS sold 2.7 million in 7 days. D3 Vanilla sold 3.5 million in 24 hours. D2: LoD sold 500k in 7 days. D2 Vanilla sold 300k in 7 days. From D2 vanilla to D3 vanilla, you see this continual increase of initial sales every release (x2-x10). Then, after D3 vanilla, you've got a huge drop in initial sales. I'm not even gonna go off the assumption that sales are everything. The recurring active player base is what matters to us-the playerbase/stakeholders.
@iumpieces If by D2 you mean LoD... most of those players have left to play D2:R. You can't really blame them since they did a good job updating the visuals while preserving the original game mechanics. So it's better to just consider D2:R. In that case, the daily active users is easily in the 100 thousands-millions (depending on day/time). Even NOW-I can't login without being in a queue. The game lobbies are packed with games in every difficulty, showing different results every time I refresh. D3 is practically desolate. In comparison, it's like it doesn't even exist. Before D2:R, D2:LoD might've been in the 10-thousands (as you've mentioned)... but it was also a 20 year old game, neglected by the devs, by that time. It was hard to even run it on modern PCs because of compatibility issues. After the devs finally put a band-aid on it, look at what it's done-and continues to do-for the community. I think the game lobby, d2jsp, twitch, and other metrics speaks for itself. 🤷
@iumpieces Go look it up-Hell, login and start a new character in a pub game. Even look at Twitch: there's 4x the viewers of D2:R than DIII. If the time of release were reversed, it would be more like 10-20x easily. It's pretty much like that across the board for everything. If there is this invisible playerbase of people in DIII that secretly overwhelms the public community of D2:R, then perhaps their input on Player-to-Player interactions isn't that valid.
Dbrunski can you do me a favor and asks this devs next time wtf is going on in their mind to call this game diablo 4? How is this a diablo game? Just like diablo 3 it has literally NOTHING from its previous games. Remember the good old days when games like Crash bandicoot 2 or metal gear solid 2 were EXACTLY the same as their prequel, just added new content, qol changes and maybe the one or other nice new feature. Can you ask these devs if they remember that time or they gonna ignore it for the next three diablo games? Imagine you're creating a game..."okay guys how we gonna do the trading? Full freedom like in diablo 2 right? - Unfortunally we can't, because that would mean can't implement pay2win", this is EXACTLY how they created this game. "We can't do this because that...we can't do that because this...". They put ZERO love or passion in this game. The only reason it exists is to get as much money as they can from their customers. Please ask these amazing devs these questions
The devs shouldn’t have anything to do with the “builds” per se based on items. There should be unlimited creativity permitted at the player level to provide the best user experience. There are obscure builds in d2 that are still being “discovered” which devs never even considered or thought about. I love that after playing d2 since I was a high schooler, I am still learning about possibilities and able to get creative with my gearing.
The builds for D4 are seriously limited by a pathetic skill system that is never addressed because they keep hyping world bosses, events, and other crap that deflects from the fundamental problems of the foundational elements of the game - the skill trees and thus builds.
Example; The barbarian skill tree is so bad that the entire tier 3 - 'Weapon Mastery' is USELESS - not one skill can be used in high level gaming... you have to make sure Berserk is up 100% of the time or your one shot - have to have 3 shouts, and then that leaves you with main skill of WW or Ground Slam skill... anything else is rubbish...
Oh and forget tanking, as a Barb cant even wear a shield, can't throw - the chain drag is useless.... no singer, and cant even equip a bow to try something different..
As I say, its the foundational skill tree system and skills that need MASSIVE work, and to say they have worked years on it... there is no way this game will be any good in the long run... unfortunately :(
@@deetsitmeisterjd Did you even play the end game beta test? Its got NOTHING to do with 'rose-tinted glasses' and everything to do with practicality and reality of the D4 skill tree system and the paragon boards.
Instead of saying how bad D2 is, how about give me the reasons that D4 in its current format is so good?
@@leagreenall5972 Yeah, I am very much not a fan of how much they leaned into D3's "builders and spenders" approach to skills. Being quite literally forced to use weak boring attacks in order to use other skills that actually do anything feels pretty stale after the first 20 mins. Sit here and auto this mob until you can WW for 5 seconds.
@@NotKevinBrand Totally agree... All this hype and releasing only the first 25 levels with no paragon ensures people only see the newness and novelty of the game... it doesnt show the fundamental flaws... ie people are getting sucked in by hype :(
Miss kitty, game balance is very importent for the game. Telling the devs to stay away is a recipe for failiure.
I dont like the poe approach of just writing some numbers here and there and hope for the best. It makes me feel more like a beta tester than a actual player.
Trading was such a large part of my enjoyment of D2 that I am pessimistic about the effects of limiting it in D4. It allowed me to create builds that I would never have been able to make if I was limited to my own in game item find instead of having the ability to leverage that of my friends and Battlenet community members. I am currently in a "wait and see" mode with D4. I like much of the stuff I am seeing and dislike a few things that may or may not be deal breakers for me. I have not bought a Blizzard game since D2 LOD but I am cautiously optimistic about D4 right now.
Trading is not what limits the build diversity, it is the foundational skill system.... I mean for a Barb there is no shield option, so no tank... no throw, no singer, heck can't even equip a bow to try it out... its like D3, cold, soulless, and cookie cutter conformist builds :( ... and then most of the skills are useless on the 'weapon mastery' tier 3 list... so you MUST use WW or a ground slam...
I wish I was mistaken and it wasnt so
@@leagreenall5972 I am not a fan of limiting weapon/gear usage to certain classes either. It is fine to make using something like a shield sub optimum for a certain class but it should be left as an option anyway so people can play the way the want to play. I tried all kinds of crazy builds in the years that I was obsessed with D2. Some worked and some didn't but I had fun with all of them. Blizzard needs to realize that not every player is interested in building the most op build possible and racing to max level. Some people like to play just for fun and enjoy experimenting a lot. That is fun too.
@@stevenbitecofer6831 There is NOTHING like that currently in D4... a Barbarian HAS to wear all at the same time- 2 Handed Bludgeon weapon, 2 x 1 handed weapons, a 2 handed slash weapon.... if you dont, then you dont get bonuses and you will die.
What I will say, is that if D4 had utilised a skill tree like 'Path of Exile', then it would have been ridiculously AMAZING.... but alas, its like a clone or worse of D3, just set up aesthetically different.
Just some of my thoughts on your comments about trading and build diversity. One of the things I thought was a good itemization choice was that legendary powers (unique effects) can be extracted and then transferred to different items. The devs specifically said that they are envisioning the strongest items having rare items as a base item (which are tradable) and then adding effects and upgrades to them. The idea of having many of the legendary effects also obtainable (at the min Stat range) from clearing dungeons and the codex system means that people would be more likely to get a "crappy" enigma analog despite not being able to trade some item classes.
@@quetzaltorres6387 That is a good point and something that I will consider. However, they did say that the Codex system will give only weak versions of the unique effects so I am not sure how readily you will really be able to make a powerful weapon or item. Not that I want it to be easy., I just want it to be possible to make something good with a reasonable amount of time invested. I will not be pre-ordering or buying on day one. We will see if the reviews and critique convinces me to give Blizzard any money this time.
I think if you read between the lines of dev interviews, what you'll hear is that they are really holding back on what's coming to the release version so that they can hit a super aggressive update cadence. Whether they'll execute well remains to be seen, but given the sheer size of the seasonal content team, I think they are poised to make huge improvements to the game several times per year.
@iumpieces Yeah I get your concern, but remember D4 had been in development for years before we got that announcement.
Additionally 3-4 years from announcement to release is actually a pretty meaty development cycle.
Rod Ferguson (general manager) is a baller with really good business strategy. If there's anyone who could push a live service model to actually work like it's supposed to, it's him.
@John Kelle exactly. Idk what he's talkin about. 5 or 6 years on a game? I'm sure most games, most are not in development that long.
I think if they start addressing the issue everyone is telling them we will have a REALLY good game in the end
Didn't know I was on the Websters website. This appears to be the definition of copium.
@@bazdarinothebizier9085 We shall see. Either I'm on copium or you're huffing pessimism. Only time will tell.
Personally my biggest concern is the difficulty tiering that seems to be similar to D3. What I love about D2 is the moment between nightmare and hell where every elite can kill you and you feel the tension of moving forward. I hate the godmode like feeling off D3.
Also the relative power scaling per level. In D2 you would start at 5-6 dmg per attack, (it very depends of the build) at the end of normal you would be at let's say 800dmg, then 1500 at the end of nightmare with good gear you would reach 3000 dmg but all this time you gain less and less dmg as you level up. In D3 you still start at 5-6 dmg then grind up linearly to several tens of thousand at level 60 then with a set you jump in the millions and with optimized gear in billions.
@iumpieces wouldn’t say Hell/Inferno are all that difficult. Run 1-2 defensives for actual endgame play and at least %dmg reduction on 1-2 legendaries. Harlequin Crest is %DR too, etc. - otherwise just stack your %dmg modifiers and make basic wise decisions on your paragon board and Hell/Torment are just as easy as NM.
I mean all that is, is the scaling between difficulties. D3 change to difficulties after launch just added to MANY. Which, to be fair, was an issue of D3 at launch with the 4 difficulties vs 3. Having to play through 4 times kinda sucks. If they don't have AS many difficulties (which it doesn't seem like they do) and the jump is enough (it probably wont be) you'd still have that. You could say Oh but when I move to Hell it's a big jump, yeah well unless your rushing you probably lvl'ed up in NM before going to hell and it wasn't that big of a jump at that point.
Well, least not till 1.10. 1.10 really fucked up a lot of balance stuff the game had going prior to that due to synergies and crazy runewords the game was balanced around all of a sudden. Plus all the immunities. So you go from Normal to NM where it's all still balanced by sane people then Hell hit's and it's all 1.10 expected crazy shit you definitely don't have yet.
Anyway either you really like having to replay the game on the same character, or the minor difference between like 20 difficulty modes. Hopefully the less difficulty modes works out for D4?
@@AdhinJT D2 fan here. Meaningful static difficulties > 20 bare minimum bumps in difficulty. Hate the D3 model, and hate how
much D3 has bled through into D4.
@@lolkuuj6859 Yeah and I mostly agree except the part where folks seem to want to replay the campaign 3 times. I would vastly prefer a lower amount of meaningful difficulty options, but I like how that base feature is implemented in D3 just not the incremental scale.
It's kinda like how I like the max lvl of 20 in DnD and how each level brings something impactful (in 3E-5E) but a lot of games are all luls lvl 100, and each one just kinda runs together.
I'm looking forward to slower D4 combat, personally.
less is more :) PoE is fairly chaotic.
@franKENStin when I watch videos of late game PoE it reaffirms my decision to never play that game beyond level 20.
That was really interesting! Great questions, informative and digging into some core problems/concerns. So far, personally, I think the boss dynamic is the biggestern concern. Hoping it will evolve in a postive and fun way. But I also do understand it can be hard to find a good balancing sweetspot. Let's see how it goes 🤔
They should keep the drop rate on gear and trading the same as D2. If you want a specific build trade your way too it.
Thanks for your last 2 videos Dbrunski. I too am concerned, but also optimistic. My gut is saying it will be a fun experience, but won't keep me coming back like D2 does. I can't put my finger on a specific thing that's making me feel this way, I think it's just a little here, a little there, and all these little things add up. Also, the state of video games now is nothing like 20 years ago, all these layered in live service, cosmetics, battle pass stuff is normal now, but I'm not saying makes the game better.
I guess to cap it all off, I'm excited, I'll play it, but I don't think it will keep my interest long term.
The trading of rare(base) items only sucks. When I think of trading base items, I think of finding a really sick socketed item for a specific rune word, slapping it in my stash knowing I'll get a decent mid-high rune for it that I can then trade for other goodies. It made seeing those drops exciting! I think a lot of people who are against trading just never got involved with it enough to see the beauty of it! It was fun and provided an alternative way of playing! They've basically just removed an element of fun from a video game - which is the whole point of gaming! I understand the botting aspect, but in trying to tackle this issue the devs are just diluting what makes diablo so compelling and fun! I'd sooner tolerate the bots and have more options for fun than strip away the fun for the sake of their war on botting. Misplaced priorities.
I have to disagree on the items and builds topic, you don't need infinity or griffon's or death web to make a build work, those are high end game items that allow you to stomp p8 on chaos or baal runs, but the average player that wants to try builds really doesn't need them. Also, i expect that D4 will be far more forgiving than D2 on terms of difficulty and viability bc there are no immunes.
the same logic that they gave when asked about drop rates can be applied to D3. You can chase primal legendaries for weeks but they don't really mean anything. I feel like this will happen in D4 sadly. Hopefully it takes at least a week to fully assemble a build and not a day.
Have you also asked about the ridiculous damage scaling we’re seeing in the b-roll footage?
Thanks for asking the real questions. I can’t tell if this put me on the ropes more about pre ordering or not though lol. I think I’ll get it but I’m probably gonna wait and see how launch goes and watch more videos on it tbh
"Somewhat limited trading" - It's more like "Very limited trading" if we are being generous.
Ended video at 1:15. Im not playing this game if trade is limited. hope you guys have fun
Edit: Btw thx debrunski for asking the actual important questions right off the bat. Its an important part of the game for me and you basically save me time and money by making it clear for me that this diablo isnt for me. Hopefully if they keep updating D2R ill be satisfied with that
Thanks for very concise video and interesting questions!
For veteran players such as my self, I would say that trading is 50% of the game. By removing that aspect or limit it drastically is a bad idea. Just look at the sales figures for D2r...
Hmm I just looked at d2r sales figures, they sold 5mil in around 6 months, it's good but D3 sold that in a week and D4 will likely beat that by a good margin.
@@danjones3085 You know that D3 had trading and Auction house at the release right? 😎
I log in to trade then log off.
Just like D3... Remove 50% of the game... Remove 90% of the players
@@danjones3085 Compare the marketing and cost to produce. D3 was a completely new episodic release. D2R is a remaster.
I am really hoping that the keyboard and mouse option for consoles will make it at launch.
Me too bro. Consoles are so close to a PC these days I don't see the excuse not too. Don't want to choose playing with a console friend or being able to use a keyboard
Whats going to stop people from drop trading ? Is it a bind item to YOU only?
Any idea if they are going to restrict item for ladder and non ladder like in d2 ? I hear you say about session having themes/events. I don't know anything about d3.
Bring back the Butcher EDIT: now that I know more about the trading and how it might stop bots I like that idea a bit more now
D4: Master of None
For the cross arm photo pose, why do some people tuck the hand and others keep their fingers out over their bicep?
I'm all for slower combat. Most ARPGs don't feel tactical to play, it's just hutton mashing and getting better gear to wipe out the hoards of enemies quicker. When everything is moving fast on screen and visual feedback is low due to clutter and spell effects the gameplay suffers. Being able to clearly see what's going on and reacting to it feels much better. Having the game difficult enough to punish the player if they don't react effectively is key.
What a complete bummer, honestly if they are going to make an absolutely poor decision to ban trading then I’m most likely going to pass on D4 and not waste ANY time playing it, it’s super unfortunate for them to not cater to their core player base, also what exactly is the point of banning the freedom to trade? There are zero negatives and it only makes the game more fun to play when you have the ability to trade with other people, it only adds value. Thats unfortunate. I guess I’ll play D2R for the rest of my life lol.
If they allow unlimited trade they basically open the door to Chinese item selling and a bunch of crap like that that is already plaguing d2. So stop complaining and whining about such a stupid thing, wtf cares really
What about runes and runewords???
I personally don't think they'll add that, unfortunately... It didn't have runes on the closed beta so, it probably won't on the final version...
It's a pity, though, because runes and rune combinations are something that can make a game feel... magic, to say the least.
No runes no rune words no trading. It's a mobile game don't expect much from blizzard
are you trolling? Runewords have been added to D4 since early alpha
@@Gavinbelson Runewords have been removed from D4
@@Gavinbelson are you trolling? Leaving non sense replies on multiple comments meanwhile you aren’t even remotely up to date with the development of d4. Clown.
I'd nearly put money on it that runes and runewords will be an added in a seasonal update after launch to keep people coming back to D4.
i wonder if they will make it available on the mac or at least parallel. i know d2r doesn't support internal graphics :(
Hello, Dbrunski do you know if D4 ll have achievements?:)
Lost me at smart loot. I love that it's completely random as in D2 because when I find say a Griffon's I can look forward to making that Lightning Sorc or Javason and that eventually leads to me creating a new character to enjoy.
Hi, will it work on MacBook?
Smart loot of 60% for your class and 40% for other class? Did they give you this numbers or you made them up? In Diablo 3 it is 85%/15%.
more importantly - will gamepads be supported on pc?
Dbrunski seems to be really hoping Diablo 4 is good because he is sick of D2, but since that is the main reason people watch him, he is trapped. I do wish he would bring back the human bot project series again. Those are great videos.
@@Mahuka94 This. He also shilled hard for Diablo Immortal until that dropped and everyone crapped on it then he went completely silent.
Will SOLO play be available for Diablo 4? I really have not heard much on the subject and I'm one of those that only plays Diablo in SOLO Hardcore. Thanks!
You can still make game on bnet with password and play alone, how is that any different to what you ask, except having internet ?
There is no replacing D2R no matter how hard they try.
Why not just make a mode where trading is not restricted? Like hardcore, normal play, and normal play with restricted trading.
Also smart loot is trash
yo, is it really 1k to use everything in the game?
hi, got a question to HC in diablo 4, what is about PVP? u will die so u cant handle pvp, but its essentiell i think? or i miss something? thx
If you go to a PVP zone. You have the risk of dying forever.
Any game that wants to be successful must have a free player market. D3 was dead the moment they pulled the Auction House. Players will look for a third party way of obtaining items anyway, thats why they need to control it from inhouse and make it optional not restrictive.
Great insights db thanks! Excited to get my hands on it!
Limited Trading.
Well guys, the hype was fun while it lasted. This will kill D4.
I dont understand whats so hard about this "look at D2, make it modern, stick to the Story and banish anything like D3 and Diablo immortal"
Any dev thats not able to understand that isnt worth his salary.
Dont buy the game, Blizzard only seems to be able to learn when they Lose cash
DB are there going to be mercenaries in D4?
"Designed not to encourage botting" takes away all the things that made the game fun. Good job guys we made it so people can't bot.
Smart loot sounds good in theory but is just bad honestly. Hey you are a nec, here is Trang helm for 10th time. Oh you were hoping for Tal armor? Sorry, go on your sorc then.
@iumpieces That's why d2r trading is so amazing. You can just trade the item for what you need
@@pureghandi But only if you had something of value. You had to souless grind shit to get something to be lucky to trade. It felt like a waste of lifetime, while i love grinding but this was sometimes just stupid. You needet to start playing a class to grind items to have another class beeing able to grind. That felt bullshit, because of the bad balancing.
Ever done a video of fastest walking speed possible in d2?
So when is the game scheduled to be out? For those who dont have the information and stumble upon your video
It will be revealed today (or technically tomorrow if you're in europe) at GameAwards. Rumors says April. Dataleaks says June.
it seems theyre just trying to hit the dead center between d2 and d3 but whats gonna be new? anything?
Did they ever decide to add single player?
Should be open trade 100%. I rather pay a couple dollars for a subscription per month and they keep a task force on botting then be chucked with no trade. D2 best game ever made
But this never worked.
im not excitited tbh game looks ok at best im gonna get it once the dust/honny moon phase has setteled
So youre gonna get it once everyone stops playing it and its dead af?
@@Gavinbelson no i will check it out once the price drops, once people stop blowing the games dick
Honestly I didn't get into ARPG's until much later on to be absolutely transparent, but for someone like me the combat looks so slow and plodding. The guy with the 2h axe sort of sluggishly hitting things for 10% of it's health seems somewhat boring. I hope that when I play it I enjoy it, but watching a video of someone smashing the ground with a hammer and the screen exploding in Lost Ark or PoE is far more satisfying visually. Hopefully it feels awesome though. Either way I am excited to try it and see how it feels.
Since they already stated that u will be able to use a controller on pc, they better bring KBM to consoles, that would be 100% fair and logical. I will be trying out free open beta to check out how it plays with controller, however no KBM at all for consoles would srsly make me reconsider purchasing diablo 4, maaaaaaaybe at big discounts like 20-30 bucks, instead of release date. God i hope they do KBM for consoles.
The trading and loot system is whats gonna keep me from playing it
Diablo is dead fella, between immortal and this, the franchise is no more.
They can call it diablo all they want, but it's no longer Diablo, just a convoluted mess using the name.
@@jjleejj d2 will always live on no matter how many of these games they put out lol ill always stay playing it
@@justinhildebrand1515 you and me both! It's not let me down, stays consistent and true to the formula and never gets old or boring, more than I can say for other diablo games recently 😅
Keep you away, then
@@NewChangersFiis u dont have to worry
I love your element sweater
They should bring synergies back 🙌🏻
No runes is a bit disappointing, runes and runewords were a huge part of Diablo 2. I am sure that D4 will be a tremendous improvement over the tragedy that was D3, I can't say it will be better than D2 because that game was and is so phenomenal but I think it will be an enjoyable game.
totally agree
Talking Head! let's go
I really hope they bring back runewords and I hope it takes forfckingever to hit max lvl
Nah. It's gonna be world of war crap tier easy to max level
Would be awesome if you could toggle on and off the smart loot features so that you can farm gear for a second character
What’s unfortunate is the reason why they are going the smart loot route is because they are banning the ability to trade. I would pass on this. These devs deserve to crash and burn.
Maybe they'll have a shared stash. That'd be great
Limited trading and smart loot - oh my, oh my :/
not ideal but not a game breaker for me
@@Dbrunski125 There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill off the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There is no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming. I hope they will allow trading inside partys like in D3. The Item gets account bound after a few hours.
I played the beta. Dungeons were so god damn boring and they seem to constitute the bulk of the end game. I really hope the devs make dungeons more exciting.
AGREED 100%.... what is worse is that the skill trees are SOOOO bad.... no diversity, and as a barb player that got 95+, it was pointless... heck cant even use a shield so no tank, no singer, no throw, in fact you had to have beserk up 100% of time or one shot... had to use 3 shouts so only option was WW or ground slam.... the paragon system was soulless and BORING... why do those ND grinds to upgrade crap glyphs... and the constant +5 stats with no real decent nodes...
The folks here who just see the beta to level 25 are being conned. Its all novelty, and thats all the devs are pushing, because the heart and soul of what makes these games - the Skill trees and build options are just non existent - and from a game thats been developed for years!
@@leagreenall5972 Are you okay?
@@Gavinbelson I'm fine thanks... and you? :)
@@Gavinbelson What kind of response is this? Dude was just posting his honest feelings about the game. Are you ok lmfao
@@jacobrusestein6768 I hope you have a great day man
I understand people who are fine with this trading system but for me it's a big barrier to replayability. I've historically played Diablo games to build "wealth" and to do commerce and without that incentive I'm personally just not interested. I'll still get the game and poke around. It's probably for the best ultimately... better for my marriage.
Yeah even though I never bothered with RMT, it was always nice to say, "Hey I found this item that people are spending X amount of money on."
The value was not determined by an ingame shop, but the MARKET and ECONOMY. Really hope they don't screw that up.
@@Omnip073n77 Agree. Nothing beats the dopamine rush of finding an item that's highly sought after early in a D2 ladder season, and that's something that's completely missing in D3 and that I suspect will be missing in D4 for me.
Now you get an item, compare stats, equip it or throw it away, it doesn't matter either way, no one wants it and no one cares because they can't get it from you anyway. There's no real economy.
Oh well. We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.
Make gold and buy everything? Boring
@@royalecrafts6252 I don't think that has ever been a problem. Gold was never that valuable.
@@Bynming trading with rings is the same as trading with gold lol, just like in poe
All they had to do was make items BOE, once used can't be traded. Throw in a heavy craft system or upgrade system to gear and people would break items down, I always think back to Hell gate London's upgrade system which was solid, the more you upgraded an item the the heavier the requirements came. D4 itemization is the worst part imo, it seems they didn't really learn anything from d3.
I would rather have D2 style drops and do away with D2 style resistances. Would rather take time to gear up rather than watering down the loot system.
So go play d2
I’m not gonna lie. The methodologies behind them preventing botting is so flawed and naive. As a cyber security expert, people will find a way to take advantage of your product always. The best way to prevent them from doing so is to devote time and resources into detecting and stopping game hacks in real time.
Don’t make the rest of your player base suffer because you can’t control bots.
There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill of the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, Level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming. So making it unattractive to do so isn't bad.
Garbage. Coooley is right. D4 is dead
Thanks for the video. As a d2 fan I'm sad to see the game play and feel looks a lot like d3 skinned with some dark tint. Sad.
Man, it sucks seeing every aspect of the game I love absolutely gutted by Blizzard.
They had such a great concept for a game but threw it away to pander to the latest gaming trends.
I never thought I'd see the day where I'd need a battle pass for Diablo.
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted I guess..
Yea, I'm passing on this. Game seems more like WoW than anything to me. So much so that you collect herbs in the game now,
So you can trade basically everything. You just have to make your own legendary with the afix you can trade.. that's completely fine. Go grind out the perfect rare.
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If you value your accounts, I urge you to write to Blizzard and let them know that their account cancelation policy needs to be changed so that others don’t share my fate. They stand to gain significant revenue if they allow hackers to continue to cancel accounts only for customers to purchase games again if they want to play. This indifference to money we spend to support their company cannot be allowed to stand if they are unwilling to support us when we are the victims of cyber attacks.
Thank you for your time.
Wow that is a vary short life cycle for ladder.
Diablo has become the POE clone no one wanted
The "smart loot" concept is a HUGE turnoff for me. Why does a coder decide what kind of item should I drop and be allowed to use on my Barbarian? A Barbarian, as a primal fighter, can use a shield, a bow, even a log to smash foes..
We in communism again? :NotLikeThis:
I do like this approach. But hey 100% of bots and Item Seller do not like that approach.
"mnk not supported by xbox and playstation.. yet" so youre saying switch is the elite option? hehe
all for free trading sucks when people trade gear outside the game for real money
Those are a huge minority and who even cares if they do, it's not a competitive game. I spent a lot of time this ladder trading on traderie and diablo io websites and trading is definitely substantial part of the fun for me.
Use your brain. What you think will happen now with diablo 4? Exactly, microtransactions and pay2win. Blizzard aint doing it do protect you. They doing it to sell the items to you
@@SaulGoodman-w2x Newbies that wear junk gear and beg for items accuse everyone that knows how to farm/puts in the mindless grind to do it as "RMT players." It's so annoying and they're very loud on Reddit and db's RUclips which is why they gutted trade.
@iumpieces how do you k now they don't have in game transactions? That's a wild speculation, based on what? Just ask yourself why would they not allow trading
@@FoodDipFan Right. I think it's the Instragram/instant gratification generation that can't tolerate having to grind/trade for many hours to get Enigma so if I have one I must be an RMT player.
Looks like D3 with a darker tint. I'll buy it, play it once, and go back to d2 :)
I can't watch this without believing you're shilling for this abysmal system of no-trading, account bound pay to play BS. Won't be buying it, and I'm pretty much unsubscribed from you now. Buh bye.
So I've commented many times that unrestricted trading would be preferred but restricted trading isn't a deal breaker for me. Not sure how that makes me a shill. If you want to play D2 your entire life go ahead. That's great if you enjoy it and have fun more power to you. Why do you have to be a prick about me enjoying D4 so far?
I've also said I'm not a fan of the battle pass, battle pass perks, or the fomo they use to convince people to purchase said stuff. But again you probably haven't watch any of my videos all the way through to see that.
Nice ty
D3.1 pass
So are runes a thing? I played the beta got to lvl 57. Honestly I really liked D4. And it has great potential. World bosses weren't that hard though. Me and one other guy beat one by ourselves lol
Rune words not in current game but was mentioned as a possible season theme
Seasons are so lame I don't want to start over every 3 months
It's garbage lifted from POE
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So limited trading, gearing like Diablo3 where you complete the full build then just chase a +% stat? Well, hopefully they keep developing D2R
It's a bit better than that, can't go into detail
@@margenov If something is a bit better than metaphorical garbage, it's probably not worth it still lol
yes
If you hate d4, just say it, don't need to make up lies
@iumpieces Being a set is not the problem, imagine if you could get a crap infinity the first 10 minutes if you reach hell in D2, then you just grind to make your infinity a % better thats what people have problem with D3 gearing, it takes away the excitment of getting the item because you find 1000s of them
Its a hard balance, but I really hope they dont "ruin" the game for the 90% by hindering the 10% playerbase or whatever it is that bots.
It seems like an annoying approach to circumvent botters, that you dont allow free trading.. There just has to be a better way to deal with botters than making decisions that limits player freedom. If there is an easy reachable "limit" to the amount of power a player can obtain, then sure there wouldnt be much point in botting, but then also.. is there really anything to do for the 90% of players beyond that point? I know PvP is a big thing and im also a big fan of PvP myself, but for a lot of people I imagine doing MF-runs in Diablo 2 was a huge thing becaue it had potential for them to get sick items and trade them and its just a shame if they take steps like these that ruin player freedom and enjoyment, to prevent the assholes from botting.. Id rather see super frequent banwaves or something that is more isolated on targeting botters without harming the rest of the playerbase. Paragon levels are also perfectly fine for the big grinders if they wanna put that many hours into the game, but as it stands with botters theres just no competing when theyre literally 2k paragon ahead of you a week into the season..
yeah they are not going to implement any anti-cheat and community service will be sparse. Just like in WoW, hackers and bots will run rampant if they allow free trading. I'd honestly rather have SSF smart loot and keep the low droprates of D2 than allowing MTX dad gamers to fully flesh out their char in 1 day by swiping credit card.. Most people advocating for free trading are the type of people who would pay to win in the first place. Fuck em.
@@Ulve124 hope they will allow it like in D3, as long you are in a session with a friend to be able to trade the item until it become char/account bound. So at least inside the gaming Party its allowed to trade free for a short amount of time.
I don't like their anti-cheat/bot approach. People will still bot, and cheat.
If End Game Beta testing is the model, then trading will be all but non-existent.... but so saying that, maybe the release of more uniques and set items would change the ability to trade... as it stands now, it was virtually impossible. There is practically ZERO interaction with other players in this area and its VERY bad... they need a middle ground between D2 and D3, and I just can't see it happening at all.
The World bosses and events again if similar to End Game Beta will be pointless. At the moment - world bosses only drop crafting items to socket items... and when you dont need them or cant trade them, then what? At least in D2R when DC spawns, you can do it over and gain the rewards to trade or improve what you have - with D4 and world bosses - its POINTLESS.
What the latest limited lvl 25 beta test gave you was a false fascade, because it is all novelty and absolutely doesnt highlight the horrendous skill system and especially the paragon boards and system that is the meat and potatoes of the game... THAT has to be fixed - skills have to be worthwhile, there has to be a shake up so a Barbarian is not limited to Berserk up all the time, and the 3 shouts so he wont be one shot... there is no diversity - WW or Ground slam is all thats viable - and only with the right gear and paragon board themes.... theres not even a shield so a Barb can be a tank and sword and board.... theres no singer, throw, or even to be silly and use bows or something unique.... and all this is hidden away with limiting to lvl 25 and not even showing how the paragon works at lvl 50...
In other words.... its all smoke and mirrors and the elephant in the room is hidden away and never addressed.
Love your content and thank you..... but your patented "lets jump in" intro lacks the love nowadays ;)
Trade stuff ok i Can understand what they do. But please it's so slow /boss seems so pathetics. Why release this during summer. It's NOT ready
what are you gonna do about bots?
- we gonna completely screw the trade possibilities and change the drop rates that have kept our d2 franchise alive for 20 years even with botting all other the place.
These limitations they are gonna put on trading are a PITA for every player that loves trading while being inefficient on botting. Essentially every game with itemization gives more competitive advantages to players that play more. And that's what bot do. In D3 they destoyed AH and ended up making top items bound to the acc, and yet the game is still full of bots.
The items that will incentivize players to bot are the same items that will incentivize players to play. If the only items available for trading are trash, they will be trash for bots AND legit players alike, it will be as if no trade at all is available in the game (imagine D2 where u can only trade pots, arrows and chipped gems for gold). On the other hand, if legendary are bound to accs, but highly demanded components such as crafting stuff or legendary affixes are open to trade, well crafting stuffs and legendary affixes will be botted and traded. So either trade limitation will completely destroy the economy, or it will just be useless against bots, while effectively screwing legit players.
sounds like I might skip it. Why not make a FREAKING game that everyone who still plays D2 would like to play. WHY NOT?????
Because the people who fawn over D2 will not be satisfied with anything other than D2. Don't get me wrong, D2 is a great game but it's time to move on for most people.
@@danjones3085 D2R sold 5,000,000+ copies. It's not some small niche community.
Because youngsters taking up 90% of their sales figure don't like or care about d2 duh
@@iumpieces1884 And then it will die after a month or two after the novelty wears off and players realise that the foundational skill tree and paragon system is REALLY bad and pointless... no diversity, no longevity, no uniqueness, forced to make conformity builds.... and no expansion, content upgrade and seasons will ever change that foundation :/
All we wanted was basically d2R 2.0 not d3 not current d4…
Diablo 4 top 7 I like Diablo too better
so its not dead on arrival anymore? lol
Yes it is ;)
Just like all of activations games we cannot ban bots or hacks if any kind since we are the creators 😂 such a weak answer to bots question… not a good sign.
There is no game that has good control over botting and hacks. Its better to kill of the reason to use bots and hacks. There still might be bots and hacks, but they cannot outplay on economic reasons (Item selling, Level services) or ladderboards (fake competition). There no 100% way to avoid cheating, regardlesss how good the devs are in programming.
they should let us exchange legendaries at least once.... so stupid that u can't give something to a friend.... 3 world bosses is pretty weak... need a ton more.. or just add full blown raids
The game is not meant to be an MMO. Diablo is and was allways a small scale dungeon crawler with some open world elements. Most ppl. play it solo--
@@darkagehibernia4843 diablo could be whatever it wants it to be, stop acting like there are hard rules.. diablo immortal had raids and other shit.. even the original blizz team who worked on d2 wanted an mmolite but just couldn't do it at the time
If there is no trading like in d2 this game is a fluke
I dont see any item shops for D3, so mission has been accomplished. As long you can trade inside a party for 2-3hours its a total fine agreement. Since it has class based loot rules you wont need to trade much, because you will find somehting for your class/char. Other then in D2 where you have been unlucky in a SSF Ladder and struggle with Progress etc.
@@darkagehibernia4843 d2 fans don’t like this style man . Bring back grand charms and trade yo !
I'm just hoping this game will be great. And they stop websites from selling items. It really takes away from the game.
It might've worked for D3, but at the cost of 90% of their playerbase within 1 year. They just need to let things be and improve their bot detection IMO
@iumpieces I don't think sales are a good comparison to make, but if you wanna go that route... you should consider the following:
D3 vanilla was riding on the coattails of D2's legacy.
In addition, D3+RoS sold on like 6-7 consoles so far.
ROS sold 2.7 million in 7 days.
D3 Vanilla sold 3.5 million in 24 hours.
D2: LoD sold 500k in 7 days.
D2 Vanilla sold 300k in 7 days.
From D2 vanilla to D3 vanilla, you see this continual increase of initial sales every release (x2-x10). Then, after D3 vanilla, you've got a huge drop in initial sales.
I'm not even gonna go off the assumption that sales are everything. The recurring active player base is what matters to us-the playerbase/stakeholders.
@iumpieces If by D2 you mean LoD... most of those players have left to play D2:R. You can't really blame them since they did a good job updating the visuals while preserving the original game mechanics.
So it's better to just consider D2:R.
In that case, the daily active users is easily in the 100 thousands-millions (depending on day/time).
Even NOW-I can't login without being in a queue.
The game lobbies are packed with games in every difficulty, showing different results every time I refresh.
D3 is practically desolate. In comparison, it's like it doesn't even exist.
Before D2:R, D2:LoD might've been in the 10-thousands (as you've mentioned)... but it was also a 20 year old game, neglected by the devs, by that time. It was hard to even run it on modern PCs because of compatibility issues.
After the devs finally put a band-aid on it, look at what it's done-and continues to do-for the community. I think the game lobby, d2jsp, twitch, and other metrics speaks for itself. 🤷
@iumpieces Go look it up-Hell, login and start a new character in a pub game.
Even look at Twitch: there's 4x the viewers of D2:R than DIII.
If the time of release were reversed, it would be more like 10-20x easily.
It's pretty much like that across the board for everything.
If there is this invisible playerbase of people in DIII that secretly overwhelms the public community of D2:R, then perhaps their input on Player-to-Player interactions isn't that valid.
@@Omnip073n77 They still do it on D2. All Blizzard has to do is google the sites.
This open world thing looks exactly like "Lost Ark". Dunno but not a huge fan of it.
Still looks like a polished D3 unfortunately :(
Get your eyes checked
Doesn't look polished at all to me. Looks more like Dungeon Siege from ages ago than a game from 2022/3.
I literally can play D3 with my eyes closed.
Its D3.5
@@wildwest1832 the only way is to get into blizzard and delete the D3 code and all it's backup
Dbrunski can you do me a favor and asks this devs next time wtf is going on in their mind to call this game diablo 4? How is this a diablo game? Just like diablo 3 it has literally NOTHING from its previous games. Remember the good old days when games like Crash bandicoot 2 or metal gear solid 2 were EXACTLY the same as their prequel, just added new content, qol changes and maybe the one or other nice new feature. Can you ask these devs if they remember that time or they gonna ignore it for the next three diablo games? Imagine you're creating a game..."okay guys how we gonna do the trading? Full freedom like in diablo 2 right? - Unfortunally we can't, because that would mean can't implement pay2win", this is EXACTLY how they created this game. "We can't do this because that...we can't do that because this...". They put ZERO love or passion in this game. The only reason it exists is to get as much money as they can from their customers. Please ask these amazing devs these questions
No trading the game is dead on arrival. Path of exile 2 will show the blizzard shills how bad they have become.
If only D4 employed the same PoE skill tree system then it would have been amazing!!