Talking about past until today. The last couple of gen they released they've only raised the clock speed until it came with bluescreen as a feature. So the only thing I expect with the next gen is, well, not much. I'll never expect Intel to revolutionize the world with anything like AMD did with ryzen. If Jim Keller was still at intel I believe they could, but that golden goose left
@@deltasnipezorProof that you people don't have knowledge 😂 Undervolt slightly and get stability with way better temps, and switch to intel default settings in bios, the Mobo manufacturers are just 🤡
Ryzen Max APU that can use up to 96Gb of memory as Vram is a huge deal for the Ai market. A person could run a very competent LLM, completely offline, that would be comparable in quality to ChatGPT. But more importantly, it would be actual competition for the ridiculously expensive high end Nvidia cards that are currently used for that purpose. At least at the consumer level.
ROCm just keeps getting better. I'm actually locally running flux.1dev not GGUF, or any of the Q quantized models, the full version, on a full amd machine and it's kicking ass. I've been training a dolphin x mixtral 2x7b LLM with even more coding as well! this stuff is so cool! but to have that system ram!?! oooooo🤤🤤🤤🤤 so good yes please!
@@henryd4331 In short, much cheaper quality Ai access, that you own, and you aren't forced into trusting large corporations with the data you put into it.
@henryd4331 The main bottleneck of open source and offline LLM is the VRAM size. Flagship GPUs can do 24 GBs of VRAM. The model is offloaded in the RAM. Bigger ram size = bigger models. Like Llama3.1 70b parameter. Search ollama for further information
Meh, my 4090 has been serving me well for almost 2 years now. I say don't pay more for the 5000 series when the 4090 is already more than powerful enough, especially if you already have one.
@@Selloutsatirist I would imagine it would cost definitely less than a Mac Studio since it’ll all be a SOC like Apple but hopefully not a soldered SSD.
same here. I'm mostly a casual. do a little graphic desgining, video editing and gaming on the side. My build is a r5 5600x, RX6700 gpu, 16GGB ddr4 3200mhz ram on a B550 mobo. I built it in 2022. I think this should last me another 5-7 years.
@@shakk85 No, it'll never come down because there is no competition against it. AMD has tried and literally announced that they gave up, to focus on the mid-range GPU.
i became a APU Fan back in 2012 North American Influencer AMD TEST DRIVE 95 active people got there hand on the AMD 6800K APU now i cant wait to Buy the Max+ Build
Not possible, they would have to change the AM5 socket. Strix Point or 9700g is the fastest that the AM5 memorybus can go. Strix Halo doubles the bus to 256 bits and doubles the memory interleaving from 2x to 4x so that the graphics cards will no longer be bottlenecked like the 890m which has already given up a lot of performance ..
@@systemBuilder So, the engineers @ AMD couldn’t engineer a desktop variant out of the Strix chips? Highly doubtfulll. And it wouldn’t be called 9700G, cause 7000- and 9000-series on AM5 are “cpu’s”. Possibly 10700G, cause the current AM5 APU are 8000-series, or something with AI in it.
There's ONE thing they should have baked into this (or should, you know, use as a basis for improvement for refresh). The IOD. Four channels. That is all.
Why are you hyped up for higher base clock? It will likely consume more power when idling than if they lowered it and won't have any impact on boost clock
The AI Max 385 is the only config that really makes sense. You don’t need 16 cores for a 40CU GPU. And I don’t think these have infinity cache, so the 40CU unit won’t be comparable to a desktop 40CU part. These are going to be bandwidth limited. They’ll still blow away anything with an IGPU, but they will definitely feel like a mobile solution.
GDDR 6x has more than 4x the bandwidth per pin as DDR5. A proper graphics card with GDDR 6x and a 128bit bus will have 2x the raw bandwidth than a CPU with DDR5 and a 256Bit bus. The RTX5060 is going to have GDDR 6x with a 128 bit bus. That's entry level. And it will still have 2x the raw bandwidth. And GDDR7 is already on the market.
Pretty sure the ryzen max with 32CU gonna stomp 7600xt while the 40CU variant might be similar to 2080Ti That's a big leap for igpu imho if this is really the better rdna3.5
@twign6378 Looks like the company is going to need a new name for their systems: Intel Core Ion-Durex T1 = Intel Core Inoperable During Really Extended Time
With all the money these companies throw at marketing, the best they can come up with is ripping Apple's scheme? Sure it works for them but why not be original and create something unique.
@@AnticipatedHedgehog Because people don't Google unique stuff and randomly come across you. Apple was the competition to *Wintel*, and even during the period Apple used X86 they were never friends (like MS's infamous Explorer deal). Naming your product "I" in the era of the iPhone pops you up on Apple's searches without imitating a competing product (as the iPhone isn't the Mac). This automatically makes you exposed to the humongous iPhone audiences without having to pay for marketing in that direction.
The fact that they once again put AI in the naming scheme in even more of their products is what pisses me off. AI is literally a buzzword at this point. Most of the AI boom is hype that will die down at some point, hopefully.
@@GlobalWave1 AI will be implemented into nearly everything at some point, and the hype will die down because it will be considered a normal mainstream technology. When the internet was brand new, it was all anybody could talk about and was considered revolutionary. Now, it's a mainstream technology that nearly everyone has. There is no hype for it now. It will be the same case for AI. Most of the AI boom is just stupid overpriced stock shares that have no real value and will eventually come crashing down like all the other next big trends have over the past three decades. These next big trends have always been a bubble that's bound to burst at some point. AI is no different. Most people are just using AI and buying AI stocks simply because they want to keep up with the latest trend. It's called FOMO. Fear of Missing Out. It's so stupid. This is not to say AI is completely useless. It definitely has the potential to revolutionise some industries. However, there is no denying that it is getting overhyped.
@@Gamer-q7v Yes, the AI in product names is annoying. I don't remember last generation being called blockchain 3000 ultra. I'll continue to call this generation strix halo.
I'm still using my vega 56 with the shared memory controller for AI, it's currently allocated 48 gb of memory for these tasks. I am blown away that it can be done with just a APU in the near future. For me as a hobby developer in the AI space but also professionally this is a complete game changer. Wow, just wow.
Yea I'm goog with my 5800X3D on a Strix 570 -E gaming with 64 gig Corsair Vengeance DDR3 3200 with a Asrock RX7900XTX OC Aqua 24gig ....it's way way fast enough.
Depends. Problem is cards like 4090 are more useful than just gaming. The original titan back in 2013? The price was going up beyond it's original MSRP once nvidia stop production.
@@tfkoincognito older hardware gets cheaper only if the new generation of hardware performs better. If new hardware can't beat last gen's hardware, the older products will increase in price or maintains its price in value.
All nice for homelabs but the problem with practically all consumer platforms since the Pentium IV has been lack of PCI-E lanes and ECC memory support. With the notable exception of socket 2011-3 and 2066 that had more options one was always limited in extensibility. They should make something that shares the socket with Threadripper (not pro) and has 48 PCIe 5.0 and 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes and make it the successor for AM5 that is future proof. Unify the design with EPYC and up the core count of the prosumer platform to something like 32C/64T then make a lower end desktop line consisting only of APUs that share a smaller socket with mobile CPUs.
@@lukylucasgaming9446I think this would be loads more efficient especially for a laptop. Plus access to all that 96gb of ram for something like LLM’s or huge sample libraries for music producers
The fascinating thing about this new Halo product is the Video Memory Allocation. You can share up to 96 GB of memory. I'm willing to bet that techtubers are going to get bananas over this. Steve from HUB won't be able to sleep in days 😂
switched on am5 after ali express kicked out r5 7500f for 105 bucks a few months ago and b650 boards for under 100 bucks. would love to see the same lifespan on am5 as on am4.
Intel's new CPUS: Don't care RTX 4090 getting more expensive: What else is new? Don't care. Intel could be bought out: Don't care Strix Halo: Sure, more stream processors than an RX 7600 XT but they'd have to be clocked at like 1GHz to not overheat.
To balance out my PC I do need to go AM5, currently my 5600x bottlenecks the RX 7900 GRE jist slightly. The cost to upgrade to 5800x3D is just shy of a combo deal for an AM5 platform.
Time for a new PC then! Still have a 3700X and 2070 Super and upgraded to a 3440x1440p and have alot of trouble to run stable over 70 fps and in some games ALOT of frametimeingsproblems.. :F
@@lukylucasgaming9446 Probably upgrade to AM6+ :) I've putted alot of money into it and also I had FX8350 since 2013 to 2020 among with R9 290 to Rx580 8Gb Strix and it still runs.
Nyce! But how will it be given DDR5 memory - is the iGPU, esp given 32 and 40 CU's, going to be hamstrung by the memory system? Esp if it's also feeding 8 through 16 cores at the same time? It's going to be a monster yes, but I also foresee it being like taking a teams star football player and tying their shoes laces together...
I always take issue when someone claims something is overpriced, especially absurdly. If people are buying it, it can't be overpriced. Priced higher than I like or can afford, absolutely, but not really _over_ priced if someone is willing to pay for it. This is especially true if the part has no competition - they can charge whatever they want in that case. There will always be a premium for the last tiny bit of performance.
Ryzen Max will have how many cpu families? We had a lot of awesome models such as Epyc, Threadripper, Ryzen 9 and so on (sry, Idk much about cpu models/families) 👍🏻🙂
@@ハェフィシェフ Indeed, it would be great if AMD finally made a powerful APU for desktops. The data of the AI Max 395 looks great, but if I can't buy it and plug it into a desktop motherboard, it's a missed opportunity.
I still miss PC cases with 5.25 front bays! If they would at least offer one with a slot for a notebook drive. This is why I like older cases. Guess I'm gonna have to Mod my own!
@@Bastelopa_wie_mein_Channelname Just a regular 5.25 drive bay. I have bought a few cases with 2 bays in them but the airflow is cut back some. On most of the newer cases they could have a slot for a 9.5 mm or 12 mm notebook drive that would not interfere with airflow or cut back on fan space. External drives are a pain and would clear up clutter on the desk area. This is MY preference though as I still watch DVD's and BD's on my machine.
@billchildress9756 I understand. A case that has 1 x 5.25" at the bottom in front of the power supply shroud, accessible from the outside, would be good. Fractal Pop Air, instead of a storage compartment at the bottom, the drive tray and no 5.25" internally, which takes up space.
While it sucks with the nVidia price increase, it's nice to see the rest of the world finally catching up with Norwegian pricing. Though, I see Norwegian prices have also gone up, so.. 2300€ on the low range.
How does a 4090 go UP in price? The 5000 series is nearly here and the 4090 will be last gen in a couple of months. Anyway, buying $2000 GPUs for gaming is not a logical choice, it is an emotional choice.
the intel core ultra name is really old news. The Ultra 9 285K and others have even had benchmarks leak weeks ago..... this desktop name change hasn't been a secret
I think the core ultra desktop CPUs are going to help Intel a lot at least with desktop sales. They needed to get away from the I9 processors because they have terrible efficiency and obviously the issues with durability. The ultra series are a lot better.
@@Raynoxfps when new GPUs are releasing you should wait for the used market to flood with used 4090. The 5080 could genuinely perform on par with the 4090 with 20+Vram while similar or lower price.
those people will have the same feeling like those people back then with the 2080ti when 3000 series launched and rtx 3070 was outperforming their 2080ti for 499$
Intel has been failing since 2000, when they decided to use anti competitive business practices to compete with AMD. AMD a company making about one tenth the cash of Intel, yet was able to put chips out that outperformed Intel and made 64bit architecture, yet AMD wasn't able to cash in on that success because of Intel. The class action lawsuits that followed allowed AMD to not require to make their own FABs for the 86x licensing, hence Intel went from competing with Global Foundries to competing with TSMC. Now TSMC is kicking Intel's ass along with the help of ASML. Now Intel is looking to sell their foundries business and jump on the TSMC bandwagon. AMD has survived by being a better company all along.
@@arenzricodexd4409 chip makers can only design a chip around their Fabs ability to construct the chip. Some mistakes are worse than others. AMD has years of more experience than Intel on designing chips with TSMC. It will be years from now before Intel can even think about competing with AMD.
@@Sup_D I'm rooting for ARM in the short/medium term and RISC-V on the long term. We need, at the very least, 3 competitive players to keep the market healthy. More would be better, but 3 players start to work.
@@sysbofh Problem is on the Software side. The most common OS used in the world is Windows (because it just works and is compatible with everything), which primarily works on x86/x64. Though Windows on ARM is getting slowly better (because of Snapdragon X Series). But it's still a long way to go. Unless there is a versatile OS which is one solution for all and works on all architecture equally, it would be hard for people to adopt anything other than x86/x64, especially for businesses. Linux is still a mess, because of all of it's forks and not a clear Single Solution for All aspect, which is what normal users want from an OS. While MacOS is ecosystem locked, and is on the pricier side.
So many people scooping up overpriced 7800x3ds. When the 9800x3d comes out for 400, they will all scramble to sell them. I have my 7600x3d bundle ready for pickup at MC tom. 450 is a steal. 7900x3d was 10 dollars more at one point today. If anyone else has been watching the prices of the 7800x3d for the past few weeks they know something funky is happening.
It's AMD. How's it compete with the H100? Moreover, why would developers support it when a 3060 12gb runs better for AI? And how long before they change ROCm and make all the developer work null and void again?
No it's compute units, but those could be diferent units as ai, or raytracing, as well as graphic units so it won't be as surprising as You think But its still impressive to put those as apu for desktops
When Ryzen released, I thought that was great. And it is! Have been using it with great effect. But I was always waiting for Intel's answer to Ryzen. Still waiting. Best thing for the customer is always healthy competition. But competition is sick. Big giant merger would not be good for competition. Intel, please! I want a decent CPU with a thick integrated GPU on desktop. Come on, you can do it! You still have some time. Strix Halo isn't coming to desktop any time soon.
I love how Intel wrote "unlocked" on the box, like there was any overclocking headroom, they already get bluescreen with stock clock 🤣🤣🤣
How do you know? The product hasn't even been released yet
Talking about past until today. The last couple of gen they released they've only raised the clock speed until it came with bluescreen as a feature. So the only thing I expect with the next gen is, well, not much. I'll never expect Intel to revolutionize the world with anything like AMD did with ryzen. If Jim Keller was still at intel I believe they could, but that golden goose left
It's so you can lower the clock speed and not bluescreen! Pay extra for stability
I got the SYSTEM_THREAD_NOT_HANDLED error so much on my 13th gen Intel that I just gave up and run everything at stock now.
@@deltasnipezorProof that you people don't have knowledge 😂
Undervolt slightly and get stability with way better temps, and switch to intel default settings in bios, the Mobo manufacturers are just 🤡
Ryzen Max APU that can use up to 96Gb of memory as Vram is a huge deal for the Ai market. A person could run a very competent LLM, completely offline, that would be comparable in quality to ChatGPT. But more importantly, it would be actual competition for the ridiculously expensive high end Nvidia cards that are currently used for that purpose. At least at the consumer level.
Pretty sure 256 gig versions have been tested
ROCm just keeps getting better. I'm actually locally running flux.1dev not GGUF, or any of the Q quantized models, the full version, on a full amd machine and it's kicking ass. I've been training a dolphin x mixtral 2x7b LLM with even more coding as well! this stuff is so cool! but to have that system ram!?! oooooo🤤🤤🤤🤤 so good yes please!
I wish I knew what all that meant.
@@henryd4331 In short, much cheaper quality Ai access, that you own, and you aren't forced into trusting large corporations with the data you put into it.
@henryd4331
The main bottleneck of open source and offline LLM is the VRAM size.
Flagship GPUs can do 24 GBs of VRAM.
The model is offloaded in the RAM. Bigger ram size = bigger models.
Like Llama3.1 70b parameter.
Search ollama for further information
Prices will always go up when stupid people decides to pay stupid prices!
Yup supply and demand
If only stupid RUclipsrs weren't pushing stupidly priced cards. 😂
It's not regular people buying these overpriced cards; it's AI companies. This isn't regular supply and demand among gamers.
like NVIDIA with 5070 for 600.- and 12 GB Ram🙄
Dont pay more for a 4090 when 5000 around the corner.
Meh, my 4090 has been serving me well for almost 2 years now. I say don't pay more for the 5000 series when the 4090 is already more than powerful enough, especially if you already have one.
Don't pay Nvidia in general
I believe the new Radeon cards around the corner too.
@@PsythikHeck a 4070 ti is more than enough
@@bionicseaserpentNah they’re good cards
Ryzen MAX Mini PCs would go crazy!
It’s would be like a Mac Studio for the windows or Linux side.
@@GlobalWave1 Hopefully starting at less than $2K/$4K like the Studio
@@Selloutsatirist I would imagine it would cost definitely less than a Mac Studio since it’ll all be a SOC like Apple but hopefully not a soldered SSD.
AMD min maxing after minning their 9000 series. Nice.
Playstation 6
I brought a used msi 4090 gaming trio for 1000 from a guy off market place yesterday locally. . It's running great!
my AM4 setup should last me a long while
same here. I'm mostly a casual. do a little graphic desgining, video editing and gaming on the side. My build is a r5 5600x, RX6700 gpu, 16GGB ddr4 3200mhz ram on a B550 mobo. I built it in 2022. I think this should last me another 5-7 years.
same i use a 5 5600g and wait for the max or the apu after max :D
If you have 3700x or better you are good Until ps6 launches
My rtx 4050 mobile is God tier. It'll see me through till the 2040s for sure.
I'm going am5 because buying a combo is more worth than upgrading my 2600x to a 5700x3d
"4090 is getting expensive" is a hilarious name for that segment, considering its launch price and how it's never really come down from it.
It will never come down because of it's capabilities in AI
@@shakk85
No, it'll never come down because there is no competition against it. AMD has tried and literally announced that they gave up, to focus on the mid-range GPU.
My mini PC hobby just got interesting.
I’m definitely that person that keeps all boxes of any hardware I buy.
Vanguard, Blackrock, State Street. Do some flaming homework people.
Yep, DEI has destroyed so many companies since it's conception yet everyone dances around the issue.
Those companies are cancer, they are death of many, figuratively and literally.
i became a APU Fan back in 2012 North American Influencer AMD TEST DRIVE 95 active people got there hand on the AMD 6800K APU now i cant wait to Buy the Max+ Build
Building a 7800x3d with a 4080 super. I'll be good for a few years. 😅
I really hope AMD will also make a desktop APU out of the same Ryzen Max. Going from 8c/12cu to 8c/32cu on my HTPC would be sweeeeeeet.
Not possible, they would have to change the AM5 socket. Strix Point or 9700g is the fastest that the AM5 memorybus can go. Strix Halo doubles the bus to 256 bits and doubles the memory interleaving from 2x to 4x so that the graphics cards will no longer be bottlenecked like the 890m which has already given up a lot of performance ..
@@systemBuilder So, the engineers @ AMD couldn’t engineer a desktop variant out of the Strix chips? Highly doubtfulll.
And it wouldn’t be called 9700G, cause 7000- and 9000-series on AM5 are “cpu’s”. Possibly 10700G, cause the current AM5 APU are 8000-series, or something with AI in it.
@@bvanbiezen3008 I have a 5700G. 8700G is a naming anomaly ...
I am happy for you.
I have both 5700G (AM4), and 8700G (AM5).
4090 is getting expensive ??? wasn't already?
There's ONE thing they should have baked into this (or should, you know, use as a basis for improvement for refresh).
The IOD.
Four channels.
That is all.
According to leaks it's gonna be dual channel but with 128 bit each channel
This APU is running on 256bit memory bus. GPU performance around 4070 laptop or desktop 4060Ti level of raster performance.
Why are you hyped up for higher base clock? It will likely consume more power when idling than if they lowered it and won't have any impact on boost clock
For AMD the base clock is the highest guaranteed all core frequency for heavy load. It is not the lowest idle frequency.
Why is the 4090 going up? Shoudn't it go down if they want to empty the stocks fast for 5000 series?
The AI Max 385 is the only config that really makes sense.
You don’t need 16 cores for a 40CU GPU.
And I don’t think these have infinity cache, so the 40CU unit won’t be comparable to a desktop 40CU part.
These are going to be bandwidth limited. They’ll still blow away anything with an IGPU, but they will definitely feel like a mobile solution.
Its rumoured it will have 32MB infinity cache.
According to the leaks themselves it gonna have a 256 bit wide bus in dual channel and 32 MB of infinity cache
It's quad channel and has infinty cache as well
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br naah it can't be quad channel, the IMC would be too complex and expensive
GDDR 6x has more than 4x the bandwidth per pin as DDR5.
A proper graphics card with GDDR 6x and a 128bit bus will have 2x the raw bandwidth than a CPU with DDR5 and a 256Bit bus.
The RTX5060 is going to have GDDR 6x with a 128 bit bus. That's entry level.
And it will still have 2x the raw bandwidth.
And GDDR7 is already on the market.
Pretty sure the ryzen max with 32CU gonna stomp 7600xt while the 40CU variant might be similar to 2080Ti
That's a big leap for igpu imho if this is really the better rdna3.5
They said 780M going to stomp 3060 as well in the past.
Intel's new boxes look like a packet of condoms
🤣
It is because they want to screw the consumer again.
@twign6378 Looks like the company is going to need a new name for their systems: Intel Core Ion-Durex T1 = Intel Core Inoperable During Really Extended Time
Intel should partner with Home Depot with their current 13-14 gen CPU's. "Free brick with every purchase!!!"
Is the PC industry migrating from the marketing of odd numbers 3, 5, 7, 9 to Apple naming envy?
I mean i3, i5, i7 sounds quite appleish to me already
They probably hired the same marketing firm😂
With all the money these companies throw at marketing, the best they can come up with is ripping Apple's scheme? Sure it works for them but why not be original and create something unique.
@@AnticipatedHedgehog Because people don't Google unique stuff and randomly come across you.
Apple was the competition to *Wintel*, and even during the period Apple used X86 they were never friends (like MS's infamous Explorer deal). Naming your product "I" in the era of the iPhone pops you up on Apple's searches without imitating a competing product (as the iPhone isn't the Mac).
This automatically makes you exposed to the humongous iPhone audiences without having to pay for marketing in that direction.
even numbers are for mobile chips for laptops. 4/6/8 usually
Let’s hope there is actually something in the box from Intel.
Yay! Yet another brand change... Next year, Ryzen ULOCKED M4 AI MAX 90980 ULTRA Black Edition!
The fact that they once again put AI in the naming scheme in even more of their products is what pisses me off. AI is literally a buzzword at this point. Most of the AI boom is hype that will die down at some point, hopefully.
Ryzen 4070 doesn't have AI in it's name because it's just that good that it doesn't have to rely on buzzwords to sell
@@Gamer-q7vI can imagine by 2030 some crazy things will be done by AI. It’s still in its infancy.
@@GlobalWave1 AI will be implemented into nearly everything at some point, and the hype will die down because it will be considered a normal mainstream technology. When the internet was brand new, it was all anybody could talk about and was considered revolutionary. Now, it's a mainstream technology that nearly everyone has. There is no hype for it now. It will be the same case for AI. Most of the AI boom is just stupid overpriced stock shares that have no real value and will eventually come crashing down like all the other next big trends have over the past three decades. These next big trends have always been a bubble that's bound to burst at some point. AI is no different. Most people are just using AI and buying AI stocks simply because they want to keep up with the latest trend. It's called FOMO. Fear of Missing Out. It's so stupid. This is not to say AI is completely useless. It definitely has the potential to revolutionise some industries. However, there is no denying that it is getting overhyped.
@@Gamer-q7v Yes, the AI in product names is annoying. I don't remember last generation being called blockchain 3000 ultra. I'll continue to call this generation strix halo.
I'm still using my vega 56 with the shared memory controller for AI, it's currently allocated 48 gb of memory for these tasks. I am blown away that it can be done with just a APU in the near future. For me as a hobby developer in the AI space but also professionally this is a complete game changer. Wow, just wow.
Really tired of NVIDIA wish amd would get their ish together
Yea I'm goog with my 5800X3D on a Strix 570 -E gaming with 64 gig Corsair Vengeance DDR3 3200 with a Asrock RX7900XTX OC Aqua 24gig ....it's way way fast enough.
When products are being discontinued, they usually get cheaper.... I'll just nope out of it altogether.
Depends. Problem is cards like 4090 are more useful than just gaming. The original titan back in 2013? The price was going up beyond it's original MSRP once nvidia stop production.
@arenzricodexd4409 no, when better products are coming, the older stuff gets cheaper not more expensive. Literally how it works.
@@tfkoincognito not for stuff that in heavy demand.
@@tfkoincognito older hardware gets cheaper only if the new generation of hardware performs better. If new hardware can't beat last gen's hardware, the older products will increase in price or maintains its price in value.
96 GBs!!! of Video memory! 96!! that's nuts.
AMD ++++++++++++. Intel is back.
All nice for homelabs but the problem with practically all consumer platforms since the Pentium IV has been lack of PCI-E lanes and ECC memory support. With the notable exception of socket 2011-3 and 2066 that had more options one was always limited in extensibility. They should make something that shares the socket with Threadripper (not pro) and has 48 PCIe 5.0 and 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes and make it the successor for AM5 that is future proof. Unify the design with EPYC and up the core count of the prosumer platform to something like 32C/64T then make a lower end desktop line consisting only of APUs that share a smaller socket with mobile CPUs.
doubt that APU comes to desktop, so I'm not gonna get excited until I see it come to something I would buy/use
if laptop only its dead to me
Question is, will it beat the 7945hx/7945hx3d...
I dunno. Those high performing cpus with a dgpu might still be king.
@@lukylucasgaming9446I think this would be loads more efficient especially for a laptop. Plus access to all that 96gb of ram for something like LLM’s or huge sample libraries for music producers
I'm sure it's no gonna be for laptops even, most for embedded mini PCs
@@reiniermoreno1653handhelds 😅
Mini pc. But DIY desktop? nope. It seems that the APU will becway too big for AM5 socket.
1:37 what colors were changed? The 7 ultra and 5 ultra both looks the same?
The fascinating thing about this new Halo product is the Video Memory Allocation. You can share up to 96 GB of memory. I'm willing to bet that techtubers are going to get bananas over this. Steve from HUB won't be able to sleep in days 😂
And because of that it is possible AMD have no intention to sell this APU as regular consumer part. It will be the new "thread ripper" stuff.
switched on am5 after ali express kicked out r5 7500f for 105 bucks a few months ago and b650 boards for under 100 bucks. would love to see the same lifespan on am5 as on am4.
Intel's new CPUS: Don't care
RTX 4090 getting more expensive: What else is new? Don't care.
Intel could be bought out: Don't care
Strix Halo: Sure, more stream processors than an RX 7600 XT but they'd have to be clocked at like 1GHz to not overheat.
Jesus, that intro is fucking lit. Watched the first 5 seconds 10 times.. Smooth as brother.
Ryzen AI max is not a gaming cpu so don’t mix that up the stats may sound good and I know there is people who would use it for gaming
To balance out my PC I do need to go AM5, currently my 5600x bottlenecks the RX 7900 GRE jist slightly. The cost to upgrade to 5800x3D is just shy of a combo deal for an AM5 platform.
I just got the proart 16 with the 375. WHY AMD? WHY ARE YOU BRINGING OUT THE 395 NOW??
They ain't gonna drop it now, their gonna be launched around Q2'2025
Time for a new PC then! Still have a 3700X and 2070 Super and upgraded to a 3440x1440p and have alot of trouble to run stable over 70 fps and in some games ALOT of frametimeingsproblems.. :F
I'm still sticking with my Ryzen 9 5950x,128gb,7900xtx for the next 5-8 years..
It trades blows with the 4080 super
No you won't
@@Pototoes949he'll likely upgrade the cpu.
CPU Mobo gonna be upgrading in like 3 years
@@lukylucasgaming9446 Probably upgrade to AM6+ :) I've putted alot of money into it and also I had FX8350 since 2013 to 2020 among with R9 290 to Rx580 8Gb Strix and it still runs.
Intel F up so HARD they had to change identity 💀
Exactly what I was thinking.
I thought he was going to take off by the way he was flapping his wings...LOL
Nyce! But how will it be given DDR5 memory - is the iGPU, esp given 32 and 40 CU's, going to be hamstrung by the memory system? Esp if it's also feeding 8 through 16 cores at the same time? It's going to be a monster yes, but I also foresee it being like taking a teams star football player and tying their shoes laces together...
I always take issue when someone claims something is overpriced, especially absurdly. If people are buying it, it can't be overpriced. Priced higher than I like or can afford, absolutely, but not really _over_ priced if someone is willing to pay for it. This is especially true if the part has no competition - they can charge whatever they want in that case. There will always be a premium for the last tiny bit of performance.
I had to look up the prices, stock image, I was scratching my head. lol
Ryzen Max will have how many cpu families? We had a lot of awesome models such as Epyc, Threadripper, Ryzen 9 and so on (sry, Idk much about cpu models/families) 👍🏻🙂
will 100% get ryzen max + itx build as portable pc👍
Can the main mem use DDR7 YET?
So when so we get the Ryzen AI Ultra 400 (32C/80CU) ? ;-)
Wow that was impressive.
Ryzen ai max 385 would go crazy in the next ROG ALLY. I would 100% upgrade from my ally X to that.
It's not gonna happen
@@reiniermoreno1653 let a boy dream
Power requirement too high for this soc. We have to wait what z2 extreme will be.
@@dagnisnierlins188 hmmmmm. True
so 9700g with 890m 16 cu rdna3?
Can't wait to see the ryzen 4070
Thank you!
Might sound unlikely, but I hope Intel makes a 285HX variant for next gen.
Is the amd apu gonna be released for desktop as well?
@@SaschaRobitzki I see, I didn't know, I thought this is going to be put inside of laptops
@@ハェフィシェフ I was wrong. You're right. I was too excited thinking it will be a desktop SKU.
@@SaschaRobitzki no worries, was hoping the same thing. Would be so much better
@@ハェフィシェフ Indeed, it would be great if AMD finally made a powerful APU for desktops. The data of the AI Max 395 looks great, but if I can't buy it and plug it into a desktop motherboard, it's a missed opportunity.
@@SaschaRobitzki yup, I'm not gonna buy a laptop just for the sake of a new cpu coming out
They ever going to sell these or something similar for desktops, or purely mobile?
I mean nothing is stopping them being out in desktops... But I suspect you mean socketed, that probably won't happen but would be nice
I still miss PC cases with 5.25 front bays! If they would at least offer one with a slot for a notebook drive. This is why I like older cases. Guess I'm gonna have to Mod my own!
There are PC cases with 5.25 front bays or do you mean hot-swap front bays?
Fractal pop air XL casing 😊
@@Bastelopa_wie_mein_Channelname Just a regular 5.25 drive bay. I have bought a few cases with 2 bays in them but the airflow is cut back some. On most of the newer cases they could have a slot for a 9.5 mm or 12 mm notebook drive that would not interfere with airflow or cut back on fan space. External drives are a pain and would clear up clutter on the desk area. This is MY preference though as I still watch DVD's and BD's on my machine.
@@ludovicavice3496 I C! Very Nice!!! Many Thanks for pointing this out😍!
@billchildress9756
I understand. A case that has 1 x 5.25" at the bottom in front of the power supply shroud, accessible from the outside, would be good. Fractal Pop Air, instead of a storage compartment at the bottom, the drive tray and no 5.25" internally, which takes up space.
No Microcenter within thousands of miles of me. I'm in rural Australia.
I am so ready for APUs that can run local LLMs with decent token per second...
While it sucks with the nVidia price increase, it's nice to see the rest of the world finally catching up with Norwegian pricing. Though, I see Norwegian prices have also gone up, so.. 2300€ on the low range.
I'd like to hear this guy order a meal at the drive through with that crispy ass radio voice lmaoo
Hope thier marketing dept didn't come up with the Max naming.
I mean that’s cool and all but when they release the 9800x3D? Ya know, the CPU people actually want to buy?
gamer meld releasing crazy arms
the ryzen max+ is the real deal, i waited for.🥂
🤣
let's hope Ryzen Max won't feature an MCAS fabric
If your Ryzen MAX started flying, you're overclocking the fans way out of bounds.
Adjusting their pricing strategy means price gouging like crazy!
What is 4090d
Cut down card so Nvidia can sell it in China, US doesn't want all those ai cards sold there.
Except the 4090d has been modified to support double vram and has won a few benchmarks here and there.
@@11Wario ok thanks I never heard that one before
we need microcenter in europa
yes
I predict that AMD's new Ryzen AI Max APUs will be extremely good products, but AMD will price them so high that hardly anyone will buy them.
Microcenter, the one retailer who doesn’t have one in every state but two in one state no where near me.
AMD is killing it.
How does a 4090 go UP in price? The 5000 series is nearly here and the 4090 will be last gen in a couple of months. Anyway, buying $2000 GPUs for gaming is not a logical choice, it is an emotional choice.
I will be pumped when these halo bad boys come to desktop, a 10700G or something
Maybe in mini pc with modified laptop mobo. But as a DIY part like 10800G? Most likely not.
I'll believe the AMD hype when I actually see it working.
LOL...your username is funny !
5000 series will be cheaper than 4000 series the same thing will happen like with the 2000 series when the 3000 launched
one PC 5800x3d maxed out best everything worth way more than this generation, if i know i would have that with an Aqua 7900 XTX
Where is KOPITE7KIMI?
How many PCIe lanes will the Ryzen AI Max 300 have? I guess less than the Ryzen 9000.
"The first thing you thought about is Intel."
Actually, I haven't thought of Intel since I bought an AMD 386-DX40... and that was LONG ago. lol
What?! I always thought it'd be HP, or even AMD in a few years, but Qualcomm? 😮, could Shintel be more screwed up? 😮just😮
the intel core ultra name is really old news. The Ultra 9 285K and others have even had benchmarks leak weeks ago..... this desktop name change hasn't been a secret
I think the core ultra desktop CPUs are going to help Intel a lot at least with desktop sales. They needed to get away from the I9 processors because they have terrible efficiency and obviously the issues with durability. The ultra series are a lot better.
People are actually stupid for paying that much for a 4090 when a 5090 is right there
let's hope nvidia doesn't release the rtx 5090 at 3000 dollars XD
ah you already know prices and availability ?
@@Raynoxfps when new GPUs are releasing you should wait for the used market to flood with used 4090. The 5080 could genuinely perform on par with the 4090 with 20+Vram while similar or lower price.
@@Raynoxfps he's saying people are stupid for overpaying for a soon-to-be obsolete card
those people will have the same feeling like those people back then with the 2080ti when 3000 series launched and rtx 3070 was outperforming their 2080ti for 499$
MAX vs ULTRA Lets Go
96 GB VRAM sounds like localllama new toy
Intel has been failing since 2000, when they decided to use anti competitive business practices to compete with AMD. AMD a company making about one tenth the cash of Intel, yet was able to put chips out that outperformed Intel and made 64bit architecture, yet AMD wasn't able to cash in on that success because of Intel. The class action lawsuits that followed allowed AMD to not require to make their own FABs for the 86x licensing, hence Intel went from competing with Global Foundries to competing with TSMC. Now TSMC is kicking Intel's ass along with the help of ASML. Now Intel is looking to sell their foundries business and jump on the TSMC bandwagon. AMD has survived by being a better company all along.
Lol don't make it as if AMD did not make their own mistake back then.
@@arenzricodexd4409 chip makers can only design a chip around their Fabs ability to construct the chip. Some mistakes are worse than others. AMD has years of more experience than Intel on designing chips with TSMC. It will be years from now before Intel can even think about competing with AMD.
Well, AMD is now going the same route as Intel in the past by slowly becoming Anti-Competitive as well.
@@Sup_D I'm rooting for ARM in the short/medium term and RISC-V on the long term. We need, at the very least, 3 competitive players to keep the market healthy. More would be better, but 3 players start to work.
@@sysbofh Problem is on the Software side.
The most common OS used in the world is Windows (because it just works and is compatible with everything), which primarily works on x86/x64. Though Windows on ARM is getting slowly better (because of Snapdragon X Series). But it's still a long way to go.
Unless there is a versatile OS which is one solution for all and works on all architecture equally, it would be hard for people to adopt anything other than x86/x64, especially for businesses.
Linux is still a mess, because of all of it's forks and not a clear Single Solution for All aspect, which is what normal users want from an OS.
While MacOS is ecosystem locked, and is on the pricier side.
So many people scooping up overpriced 7800x3ds. When the 9800x3d comes out for 400, they will all scramble to sell them. I have my 7600x3d bundle ready for pickup at MC tom. 450 is a steal. 7900x3d was 10 dollars more at one point today. If anyone else has been watching the prices of the 7800x3d for the past few weeks they know something funky is happening.
I run an Amtel Ultrazen 54666kskfxtx3dr2d2 64.2ghz
Im quite happy with my 12700k and 6750xt
AMD AI STRIX HALO 395+ MAX X3D. just rolls off the tongue like a ton of cement ...
It's AMD. How's it compete with the H100? Moreover, why would developers support it when a 3060 12gb runs better for AI? And how long before they change ROCm and make all the developer work null and void again?
9:09 Is CU the same as Graphics cores???
No it's compute units, but those could be diferent units as ai, or raytracing, as well as graphic units so it won't be as surprising as You think But its still impressive to put those as apu for desktops
I can’t see Qualcomm being allowed to buy Intel. Maybe Google or facebook but not another chip maker buying its competition.
When Ryzen released, I thought that was great. And it is! Have been using it with great effect. But I was always waiting for Intel's answer to Ryzen. Still waiting. Best thing for the customer is always healthy competition. But competition is sick. Big giant merger would not be good for competition. Intel, please! I want a decent CPU with a thick integrated GPU on desktop. Come on, you can do it! You still have some time. Strix Halo isn't coming to desktop any time soon.