The BEST VINTAGE (inspired) SPEAKER Is...? Leak Sandwich 250 Episode
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00:28 PETER COMEAU ON THE LEAK SANDWICH DESIGN
04:26 WTF IS A NEUTRAL SPEAKER?
05:16 LEAK SANDWICH 250 POWER RECs
10:56 DETERMINING SPEAKER TOE-IN
12:56 IS THE SANDWICH 250 REALLY A BOOKSHELF SPEAKER?
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Morning...why don't you comment after Andrews reviews. We miss your TRUTH'S...😊
@@LexusAllTerrain1 Perhaps you missed the change to our format. Catch up on all the episodes here: bit.ly/43NnDkT
You'll find me here every Friday morning.
@@KristiWright which vide? Please
She gave you the playlist for all of the Unplugged episodes. She's in all of them. Just use the link she provided.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I understand, I seen most , however I don't recall her explanation or planning on her upcoming absence in her commentary after your reviews...sorry!
I learn a lot from your unplugged long form format. Always appreciated. Thank you!!
My pleasure! Thanks for joining us today!
Leak Sandwich....sounds like a culinary horror show!😂😂
I think the Vintage/Nostalgia trend goes beyond stereo speakers. In a world of smart speakers, smartphones, and headphone...I sort of feel the entire Hi-Fi industry only exists today because of nostalgia. Despite most of my stereo and home theater being purchased in the past five years...visitors to my house still call it a "old stereo system". Lets face it we're a niche community...and I'm OK with that.
Ooof Kristi picked all the hard questions this time 😄
The blue gauges always make me smile…
The interaction between you two is AWESOME!! Also thx for saying the amp,wattage etc to push said speakers. And i enjoyed your answer to those who ask questions 🎉excellent touch
I waited until the end to comment! Another great episode of my new favorite podcast 😉
Here for the weekly dose of the Kristi and Andrew show!
And we appreciate it!
Afternoon Andrew, Kristi & Kadie👍👍👍
Good morning KJ! Hope you're having a great day so far!
Late to the party but hello KJ!
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I have had an excellent experience with Cerwin Vega speakers. Cerwin Vega 2024 line up looks excellent and yet there is only one RUclips channel that reviewed their new speakers. Please try they're budget speakers that don't cost an arm and leg. Please
Happy Friday 😊
Happy Friday to you too, Moon! Thanks for tuning in!
Same to you!
I for one would never flip off hearing your opinions Christy you're always refreshingly uncolored honest no holds barred lol 😆
She's the best!
That is very kind of you to say. I'm just doing my best to consider everyone's feelings.
@KristiWright You're very welcome just remember...
You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time! 😂🤣
@robinsonbrand Agreed, you're a lucky man to have a partner to share your passion Mr Robinson!
Re "bookshelf" speakers: the term became popular in the 60s and 70s when American manufacturers such as AR and KLH released sealed-box models which were, in fact, designed to be placed against a wall. In fact, these were often placed horizontally on actual bookshelves!
Thank you both. Yet another beautifully made and informative video. By the way, I can’t get over how your room looks like.
I’m torn between the Linton and the Leaks looks. They look beautiful to me.
Hey Andrew & Kristi -- thanks for opening with my question. And just to reiterate my reply to Mr. Comeau, I like the look. I was only curious about the screw protrusions because it's not something I'd seen a lot of in modern speaker designs. There was never any intention to imply that somehow they'd make the speakers "suck" or anything of that sort. Which is why I referenced the style decision.
Thanks for another great episode!
Sorry, I missed the review yesterday because I was traveling on business. Great follow up Kristi! Thanks for answering that question Andrew! 🙏🏾
Happy Friday!!! This should be cool
Another great Unplugged episode! Kind of makes me want to start collecting speakers!!
As someone who inadvertently collects speakers, it's a double-edged sword. Fun some days, other days, absolute pain in the butt.
Thanks so much for watching with us! Have a great weekend, Leezah.
It's KRISTI-TIME! 🙌🙌
Kristi-time is the best time! Thanks for watching @Hiluxtaco
I gave a pair of 40 year old KIRKSATER 130 speakers in perfect condition to my son that were rebuilt, the sound is remarkable from them for being that old I got them when I was 24 they were a 3 way with beryllium tweeter I still love to listen to them and I also gave him the original receiver I had that was a Onkyo TX85.very nostalgic to listen to, it takes me back to my Trans Am days
My KEF 104’s I bought in 1986 are still performing great for me!
I Listened to them at a seller's home they are indeed special. I hesitated and lost them. Another great speaker I should have bought was a pair of Mirage M3SI. Even better than the KEFs.
Good Friday everyone!!
Morning! What are you up to today?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews It’s 5pm here so I’m preparing to finish off the work I’ve been doing all day, and go listen to some music !!
@@txerapng What's on the playlist this evening?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews looking at the cassettes I have, either The Weeknd - Live at SoFi Stadium or Adele Live at Hotel Café
Oh nice. Has Lady Gaga's LIVE at Dodger Stadium film hit your area? It may be worth a watch.
I owned the Lintons and ran
them with a Willsenton r 8
At 45 wpc more than enough power never went past 11 on
A clock face reaching 90 db.
Low-key got the Macs in the back 😂 good video!
Good Morning everyone
A pleasant Friday Andrew and Kristi. More great discussion. Along the line of the stand mount vs small floor stander, a suggested speaker review I think your viewers would enjoy is the PMC prodigy5 with its compact dimensions and front ported transmission line providing great bass with placement flexibility as in close to the wall. It seems to have made the review rounds where it got many positive reviews so I would be surprised if you guys hadn't been approached for a review. Has MoFi provided any future ETA with regards to the SoucePoint 888? Really looking forward to the reviews of that speaker and on my list for a possible future upgrade. Very interested for Sunday's review. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
Thank you for the response guys! Much appreciated, really liking these speakers
Our pleasure!
Thanks for sharing
You bet!
Would be awesome for you guys to interview people like Peter Comeau and Andrew Jones… just a thought
We've considered doing videos like that, but nothing has yet materialized. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviewsI think this is a fantastic idea. It would make for great content!
I appreciate the thorough response to my amplifier question. Did Kristi ever say if she liked the Leaks, which she deferred talking about at the beginning of the video?
If so, I missed it.
Infinity SM 125s were my choice back in the day. Loud Clear & hit Hard. Not the most expensive but they did their job.
I have the Model 5s and am curious to try a Mofi. One thing I’m not a fan of with the 5 is I need to put them near the front wall for bass reinforcement. Otherwise they are pretty good. Really I bought them because my wife likes the looks and sound. But she doesn’t even listen to them so 🤷♂️
I love the look of these speakers. As these seem very intelligible, are they better for combined home-theater and music compared to most of the other vintage style monitors you discussed? Which comparable speaker do you think would be better for mixed use? Sourcepoint 8/10?
I started selling audio in the 70s, and there were two kinds of speakers: bookshelf and floorstanding. If it wasn't designed to go on the floor, it was a bookshelf. I had some BIC speakers that were 25" tall that were called bookshelf. I sat those babies right on the floor, and devised a way to tilt them back about 10 degrees. Worked great!
So true. My Celestion Ditton 551 are called bookshelf speakers but they’d need one heck of a bookshelf! Heavy!!
Thanks! Just a note, the PS Audio Aspens have woofer distortion at +-0.8 and that is what I see as a game changer in speaker design nostalgia aside.
We still haven't heard back from PSA regarding any potential reviews but we'd love to hear their products.
Would love to see a vintage inspired amp list video now
Looking forward to the Sunday teaser! Ha! Hope you have a great weekend.
Man I hope folks tune in for Sunday. A bit more time and effort went into Sunday's video. I would hate for people to miss it due to the Summer months.
As far as diffraction is concerned, the Leaks and other similar old school speakers have a nasty angular lip and 90 degree angle edges which, based on my understanding, should color the sound. The proof is in the listening, however.
I really like the look of the Leak 250 speakers. I am thinking of a pair to replace my Realistic Nova 7b speakers. Would a Realistic SA-2000 or Pioneer SA-8500II amp work well with them? Both amps have been professionally refurbished.
Really enjoyed this.
I notice a lot more videos of open baffle designs on RUclips.
I know they are a more esoteric style speaker but do you have any plans to review some?
We reviewed one and liked it a lot, though no new plans exist to revisit the segment. However, plans can and do change.
Curious what your take on transmission line speaker designs & performance would be. IMF, Bud Fried, etc.
Re: Big "Bookshelves" My current bookshelf speakers which are amazing and do sit on a shelf are Zu DWX 12"x12"x23" and weigh 42 pounds. love of my life is a sturdy one.
I know this is an impossible request, but I would Love to see you guys review a pair of nht 3.3s.
My goodness, i never bought the Heresy IVs cause i wanted to raise them up, but was worried about lesser bass… Glad i was kinda correct…
Loved the conversation about how higher end amplification can get the most out of your speakers. Could you speak to how amps with similar specs (i.e. power, distortion, etc.) could end up sounding so different? For example, why would a McIntosh amp with 200 watts/channel sound better than an Emotiva amp with 200 watts/channel with everything else in the system being the same? No shade to Emotiva, I own their products and love them. :) Thanks!
Quality parts power ratings mean very little , it's not a car
I love klispch heresey and similar designed speakers. It has pa style horns. I wish it had piezzo style tweeters. I'll love to see a modern version of the sony ss850, olympus mach 3, Technics SB-2200 Speakers and olympus x200.
The takeaway from the last few weeks for me is how great the Arcam A25 is at its sub $1500 price. Andrew says he likes the sound (tone) more(if I heard him correctly) than the Yamaha rn2000 at almost 1/3 the price. It seems to power every speaker reasonably well. I'm wondering how long we are going to have to listen to this channel before we find something at this price level that he likes more? I think it really says a lot when there is no tone controls and no room correction or other crazy features and he just has to listen with how it comes and says....it's great! Too bad it has those weird racing stripes. 😂
If you don't need additional features and you can live with the black and yellow color scheme, the A25 is my go-to recommendation to folks looking for a solid integrated amplifier under $1500. I would say, sound-wise, it's my go-to pick up to maybe even $2-2,500 so long as you a) want an integrated solution and b) can get by with less. But the matching streamer is not good which is a shame because no other components match the A25 visually.
Hello from Hong Kong～～～
Hi!
Andrew, could you please review the JBL 4312g?
I'm looking for a pair of 'vintage' speakers and this one speaks to me through the power of ME EYEBALLING IT ON MY SCREEN ;)
What a start!!!!
Yeah, Kristi kicked it off with a bang this week!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Love it, Kristi!!!
@@LeezahB :)
Good morning to all the regular suspects able to chime in in real time.
@@fonkenful Morning! Hope all is well!
I got the Q Acoustics 3050i for £350 instead and some monitor audio golds gs in my other room which I change over often.
Much cheaper and very perfect for my ear.
Im running cyrus products and myryad M240 power and T 40 pre .
Any chance on reviewing fyne products?
Shabbat Shalom!
A good day to you, Vicar.
@@KristiWright The REAL star of the show.
@@TheVeganVicar She is! Appreciate you tuning in!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews, I must admit that I had a little chuckle when you mentioned that one could keep certain speakers for life, because here in the Tropics, such things tend to attract mould after a relatively short length of time (unless one is running the airconditioning for many hours a day).
@@TheVeganVicarsee here in the US air conditioning runs 24/7 practically everywhere. Some exceptions of course exist, but still. Your case is very particular, but there are also ways of protecting your wooden gear like speakers as well. There are spray cans you can buy with product that help seal the wood and veneer and help it stay dry for a very long time. There are even products that can do the same with drivers, or you can always use a compressed air can to every couple of weeks to not only dust off your drivers, but also help them stay dry.
I never thought about how raising the Heresy IV off the ground would change or lessen the bass. I can clearly see what you mean. Similar as to its distance from the wall. Very interesting insight. I have Cornwall I's.... (go ahead and laugh at me) in my listening room and thought about moving to the Heresy IV. I'm guessing mid and top end would be better, but low end would diminish significantly. I LOVE highly efficient speakers, as it opens up options to using peanut size Class A/AB amplification. I did try a Fosi v3 (Class D) with the Cornwall I's with an open mind, but it didn't work so well. The sound was "flatish" and I couldn't listen at very low volumes as the Fozi would amplify the right channel over the left. I went back to my 3.5w+3.5w single ended EL84 tube amp. The Cornwalls I's LOVE a low amplification tube amp as I'm sure the Cornwall's IV do as well.
The Cornwall IVs sound sublime on our 2-Watt SET amp from Decware, though I will admit, they become even more refined if I give them a few more Watts to chew on.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I have no doubt that they do! When I use my Marantz 2245 with CW I's... it's next level. I'm going to build a Dynaco ST-35 from a kit soon. Should be a good time. All the best!
Morning everyone!
I’m thinking about raising up my JBL L100 classic 75th anniversary on a pair of stands like the Lintons go on… maybe I’ll build a cheap pair out of 2x4’s n plywood before I go spending money on nice stands and see how they sound first. I have the factory stands but it I put the speakers in my main rig, there is a couch in the way on the right channel 🤬. A good experiment I guess.
Lovely to have Kristi back -- I agree w Andrew that Peter's initial response makes sense (fixing screws "immeasurable" = can't measure/hear objectively; also can't notice subjectively)
Kristi's here every Friday! We appreciate Mr Comeau answering some of our viewer questions on the LEAK 250 review.
Hi Andre! A couple of months ago we started the Unplugged series - which is more of a conversation! You can catch up on all of those here: bit.ly/43NnDkT
You definitely missed the Revival Audio Atalante 5 - beautiful speakers, vintage inspired. I heard them once and they are something special.
Also Pylon Audio Jade as vintage inspired speakers are excellent value for money.
THIS!!!!
They’re amazing
Re. gorgeous wood grains, would like to see you review something from Zu. Their rustic hickory finish is my favorite on the market.
If you Google Zu and my name, you'll find an old print review of their speakers from me. They do have some nice wood finishes, though.
Now on those Leak speakers with the big screws if they would have put gold plated flat washers on them I would buy them LOL.
To raise up the heresy 4s, just buy (or build) an appropriately sized pair of subwoofers as stands and there ya go.
PSB passif 50!
Can't wait for Sunday - no idea what you're talking about? Macintosh?
'I feel like the forte IV should have been in the comparison' Or/and the Klipsch ChorusII's! 👌 Always good content by Kristi Wright👌 What exactly is your job Andrew? 🤝😊 All the best to you both~
He’s her 24/7 on-site sound and lighting engineer😂
@@fonkenful Just messing with Andrew and Kristi. 😃👌
The beginning of the video ball is down to something that we all know with respect to poisons. For most of them “dose matters”. a little bit isn’t gonna hurt you a lot might. small barely noticeable above surface screws aren’t gonna do much but…
I wonder what your opinion would be if you paired the Model 5 with that Mac gear you have now. Also if Heresy IV are raised on stands use a pair of subs. Endgame pair
Keep watching.
I see that someone mentioned using a vintage pioneer amp for running the leaks. Bit of a segway but I have my dad’s old pioneer SX-1050, would that be able to power the Polk R700’s or are they a bit more power hungry?
At 120 watts per channel it will not have problem with just about any speaker .
What about the Magnat transpuls 1500? Some french youtuber named nicoastyle had these speakers but like the Elipson Heritage XLS15 more. They are 3 times the price of the magnat though.
The vintage and 'industrial' look of the Leak is outstanding. I need to listen first, but the Leak sandwich and 230 Amp will definitely be a good 'fit' in my man-cave esthetic.
While they may no longer be made in GB, you cannot knock 'British Sound'!
The LEAK speaker with the matching LEAK amp is definitely a vibe! If we didn't run a channel, it would be a long-term look I would consider, too!
@robinsonbrand Where I live, I can not 'test drive' the Leak. My small system is some older 600 B&W's and the Rotel A11 and CD11 Tribute.
I'm thinking of just ordering the Leak Sandwich 250 and 230 Amp and CD for a 16×20 mancave...mostly classic rock, prog, classical, jazz....Looking for your thumbs up recommendation...if you would! The system would be set-up on the longer side wall.
Love and subscribed to your channel for a few years now.
Mike from British Columbia!
@@geographyinaction7814Mike, yah, as a fellow southwest coast BC resident, the modern dearth of brick and mortar “purveyors of audio kit” is a huge drag.
Pleeeeeeasee review the 85 Bravia 9 😭
Hi Andrew and Kate. Any chance you have in focus Marantz Model M1 for review soon? Or anything about this device, as it's very hard to find anything except marketing stuff. Any reliable info would be appreciated (trying to build new stereo system with Polk ES60 (probably 2.0) or KEF Q750 (2.1), and now there is this M1 with same price here as Stereo 70S I was considering. Thanks
Are the speakers even braced or do you just get inefficient woofer drivers, also are the KLH 7 models on your radar
Whattabout the Magnats! You forgot the damn Magnet Transpuls as a nuovo-retro! 😠
😉 Peace. Have a great 4th.
And then you have speaker equivalents of the 911, like the KEF LS50s.
I think they are very attractive and the stand is much nicer in the white mix with wood. I'm not a fan of the black thick stands.
The stands we were sent are meant to go with the Linton speakers. Leak did not have the 250 stands available for us at the time of our review. Regardless, I agree with you!
Why not get in the GR Research retro inspired speakers?
GR hasn't reached out to set up a review.
Anybody that is worried about amplification and doesn’t mind separates, you can get the Monolith 2x, 200W/ch(300wpc 4ohm), insanely low distortion power amp for about 1200$. Couple that with a nice cheap transparent DAC with a preamp stage for volume control(SMSL SU-6 is insanely high performing for like 150$), and never worry about your electronics ever again if you want colorless sound. If you want EQ, then get a miniDSP as a preamp instead. Done. There’s no magic involved.
let me guess - you're asr and Amir's fan.
Chi fi junk
@@misterzero8667 Literally made in America? I guess the SMSL is “Chifi”, but but the DAC chips are the same as whatever brand you have in your head. If made in America is that important to you, then buy a Monolith 2x, a JDS labs Atom 2 DAC, and a Schiit SYS for volume control. Same outcome, but more annoying setup for the sake of a sticker on the case.
@@daniellewandowski4990 I’m an engineer, so I believe in measurement of electronic components. If you have an amplifier that has inaudible signal to noise ratio, inaudible crosstalk, no load dependency, and less than .1% distortion up to 200W, then you are getting purely the signal from the source through your speakers. Period. If you like amps that have a “sound” then you like a colored signal playing through your speakers. That’s fine, I have a Cambridge AXR 100 that makes speakers with scooped mids sound a lot better because it’s a warm sound through the DAC/AMP, but it’s better to start with transparent and add EQ than chase the right “synergy” by matching colored equipment to various speakers. Certainly easier on your wallet.
Leak 250 with Rega io?
Question: Would you guys ever consider creating your own line of speakers?
To me personally, the issue with the screws is pure design. I love the look of the speaker overall, I just think they could’ve done slightly less of them being visible? But that’s personally just my own taste. Nothing more. I think “audiophiles” overthink too many things and just try to find anything to grasp to they can critique sometimes. Just chill and listen to the sound, enjoy the music.
I have no issue with power requirement as well, if it actually delivers in terms of sound. (Looking at you EmOtIvA😂). I think it’s a great overall package and great to see another old school brand making a comeback. I feel like this is a great trend, as the market got a bit stale with too many options that are too similar in design and their capabilities. I honestly can’t wait for this type of speaker to come out fully powered ala KEF LS60, or Klipsch Nines. That would be a killer speaker package. If it’s done right of course.
Love the conversation and the start of the episode! Especially the use case conversations and about differences in towers, bookshelves and this style speaker that’s basically in between.
Thank you for answering my question! 😇
Hope everyone is having a lovely Friday and enjoying the end of the week!
Oooh, now you've gone and done it. A powered LEAK 250 would be incredible! I was actually thinking about how it could be turned into an in-wall but maintain a bit of the walnut edge (not too dissimilar to what Sonus Faber does). A 250 in-wall recessed into a wall of Walnut wood paneling would look sick!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews a somewhat combination of a moody lighting and walnut paneling in a library, and a fireplace in the middle with those speakers in wall as you said to me sounds like a dream room. I’d get lost in there for years….. wow.
@@gavriushka You can totally see it the second you start thinking about it. It would look so good!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews you literally just cost me thousands with that idea. And years of time in planning it. My wife has always wanted a library in the house, so did I. And this is just perfection.
Sorry if a stupid question? But how does one maintain their receiver?
It's not a stupid question. As electronics age, it may be necessary to clean the insides and even replace capacitors and other parts that can or could fade with use or time. It is important to consider if you're on the market for an older piece, even one that may only be 10 years old, let alone one pushing 40-50 years old.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you!!!!
There are no stupid questions. :)
@@KristiWright Thanks!
My Celestion Ditton 551’s are technically “bookshelf” speakers but I sure wouldn’t want to drop one on my foot, tell you that for free mate.
Anyone know what Sundays video is about? 😃
I bet it's the new WiiMFosi amp.
@@jamesmichael900 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@jamesmichael900Except there’d be at least two new models by then, with dancing RGB backlighting for the minuscule VU meters. Sooner or later one needs to call BS on the revolving FOMO carousel.
She was right.
Am I missing something? I’ve never heard any negative affects of diffraction regardless of whether it is screws or the cabinet edge itself.
Diffraction from deeply recessed front baffles not mitigated by any of several methods or tweeters adjacent to surface mounted thick framed mid/bass drivers, or even non-beveled grille frames - regardless of method of attachment - is definitely measurable and usually audible.
@@fonkenful I know what some are saying. But, I’ve never noticed that problem.
@@bikdav Fair enough.
Peter Comeau, isnt he the same guy who designed the Mission 770 re-release
Yes
He has a hand in most of the IAG Group speakers: Mission, Wharfedale, Quad, Castle and now Leak.
Your room better be dang perfect if you can hear, un recessed screws:)
Those Big Macs look good back there.
#goals
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The silver legs of the Leak stands are an aesthetic misfire imo.
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Where's Kristi's opinion? It's why we tune in!
She shares her thoughts throughout the video.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews yes, but her fans need a dedicated 10 minutes. Perhaps a Kristi only show on Wednesdays? 😂
Agreed. I miss the old format.
Audiophiles making an issue from a non-issue? That's crazy!
It's in the small print when you sign the "The Audiophile Contract" 😁
I think the Mission speakers are just gaudy. I can’t believe anyone could get them wife approved
If they pulled that massive logo off the front baffle and had a more inconspicuous logo it would look WAY cleaner.
@@billymurphy3 agreed.
I’ll say this for the 770: I’ve yet to see a pair for sale on the used market.
I don’t necessarily like the looks of the Mission 770’s, but every review I’ve seen raves about the sound quality. I’m on a restrictive budget and think the 770’s are overpriced for me for a two-way speaker.
@@Norman-bone13 I agree. British gear is WAY overpriced. The Exposure 2510 might sound good but it's a 75 wpc power amp with a phono stage and a volume control and here in AU it costs $3,300.00.
A speaker repair acquaintance of mine was working on a pair of Proac and he mused "I don't know where all the money goes in these" and I think that applies to a lot of Brit gear at the moment.
Re the general look of ‘60s to even mid ‘70s speaker builds - of which I owned dozens - perhaps the word you were looking to avoid was fugly?
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Such a goofy name.
What name?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews sandwich, I like it.
@@zachariahadams Ahhh.
Andrew. You do know that a lot of us like to hear Kristi talk. Right?
Are you saying she doesn’t get sufficient overall “airtime”?
These need a new name 😅